Comments on: Dixie Chicks and Bar/Bat Mitzvahs

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By: Iris

Iris — Wed, 01 Dec 2010 03:10:44 +0000

David,

The concern that the article created for me was not about how our pre-teens are preparing to lead a worship service as they become a bar/bat mitzvah but rather that they are not becoming one within a community.

I think we need to embrace every technology available to us and explore its use as a tool for engagement and learning to help the user reach a defined goal. If the goal is to stand at the Torah one time, to have a party to celebrate that event and then cross “doing Jewish” off your list, then, according to the NY Times article, the tools are being used in ways that help reach the goal.

IF the goal is to BECOME an adult WITHIN the Jewish community with the perks and obligations of community then we need to continue to explore how the tools might be used in different ways to reach these goals – for the goal of ongoing community participation is just not the outcome described and that, my friend, concerns me greatly.

Iris

By: Larry Kaufman

Larry Kaufman — Tue, 30 Nov 2010 15:59:49 +0000

Ira said it all, which doesn’t mean I won’t say it again. The Times article got more attention because more people are exposed to the Times than to all the Jewblogs and Jewsites combined. And it had two threads, which aren’t really all that related:
1. Technology is changing the way we learn — and teach. (Surprise!)
2. Many Jews are more concerned with themselves and their own perceived needs than with supporting the community and its institutions. (Surprise!)

This is not to say that the ensuing problems aren’t real — only that they are not new.

By: Ami

Ami — Tue, 30 Nov 2010 05:08:17 +0000

David-
To answer your question, at least for one specific rabbinical training program, the sad answer is that we aren’t being trained for this changing technological word. Not a class, a lecture or even much discussion of the topic. Many of us are doing things on our own to make sure that we are prepared, but nothing coming from the school. Wish it wasn’t so and would be curious if any of the other schools are doing anything better.

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By: Ira Wise

Ira Wise — Tue, 30 Nov 2010 03:43:24 +0000

Hey David!
Thanks for the shout out.
I am not sure I agree about the Dixie Chicks issue.
I responded to the Times article because I saw it.

And I am not concerned about dirty laundry. We wash it on the front lawn all the time. My issue is about letting technology substitute for community instead of augmenting and building it.

I would hope that as time goes on, we will see more and more congregations using technology to enable members to connect in new and different ways. That will meet their needs and bring them in deeper relationship with our communities.

My objection is when it is used as a tool for separating oneself from the community. Love the experiences Jamie Korngold offers. And I have been assured by friends that she helps her students stay connected to one another. That is good. I hope she and others are doing the work of helping those families they serve connect to ongoing communities.

The problem is the “I only care for the party” crowd. And they were a problem before the technology got involved. My concern is the ability of the web to make that “value” go viral, rather than the value of coming together.

Thanks for the post!