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Wed, 25 Nov 2015 12:27:33 +0000

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Wed, 27 Aug 2014 14:26:42 +0000

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Comment on Cost-benefit analysis: experience of Southampton research data producers by Data Loss in the DDUD » University of Hertfordshire - Research Data Toolkit

Data Loss in the DDUD » University of Hertfordshire - Research Data Toolkit — Tue, 04 Jun 2013 10:00:16 +0000

[…] do is to return to the cost-reliability figures (Boardman, et al.) in Steve Hitchcock’s blog, Cost-benefit analysis: experience of Southampton research data producers, and say: the benefit of using UH networked storage is that the risk of data loss is tiny compared […]

Comment on Collecting and archiving tweets: a DataPool case study by Steve Hitchcock

Steve Hitchcock — Thu, 25 Apr 2013 11:20:01 +0000

Continuing the discussion from the previous comment on the ethics and privacy issues associated with archiving Tweets, initiated by @sparrowbarley and here joined by @briankelly. I have to thank these contributors for permission to reproduce this discussion, for reasons that will become apparent.

Note, this is presented mostly as a chronology of the discussion, although at some points where the chronology loses synchronisation the tweets are re-ordered for flow and readability within sub-threads.

jiscdatapool
@sparrowbarley By replying to ‘@jiscdatapool’ your tweet is part of our archive. What is your view on rights and privacy of your tweets?
8:39 PM – 27 Mar 13

sparrowbarley
@jiscdatapool Tbh it would be nice to know up front that by replying to you I’ll be in your tweet archive. Could you say so in your profile?
1:06 PM – 28 Mar 13

briankelly
@sparrowbarley Surely not a scaleable solution. @jiscdatapool
1:12 PM – 28 Mar 13

sparrowbarley
@briankelly @jiscdatapool But perhaps an ethical one nonetheless? I’m not actually bothered but was asked.
1:16 PM – 28 Mar 13

sparrowbarley
@jiscdatapool IDCC 11 had a paper on this. Now in IJDC: What Your Tweets Tell Us About You: Identity, Ownership and Privacy of Twitter Data
1:09 PM – 28 Mar 13

sparrowbarley
@briankelly @jiscdatapool I remember the presenters handed out sample consent forms for tweeps for collecting tweets. http://ijdc.net/index.php/ijdc/article/view/214
1:20 PM – 28 Mar 13

sparrowbarley
Office clearout: @jiscdatapool I just found it! Twitter data deposit form- not consent as I’d thought though that is a yes/no field.
6:12 PM – 1 Apr 13

sparrowbarley
@jiscdatapool ambiguous understanding of privacy and norms= “complex issues for curators trying to ensure…ethical reuse of Twitter data.”
1:25 PM – 28 Mar 13

sparrowbarley
@briankelly I think @jiscdatapool and I are debating asynchronously on twitter – not an ideal situation! Couldn’t even quote whole sentence.
1:26 PM – 28 Mar 13

sparrowbarley
@jiscdatapool So I moved on to ethics/privacy. But thanks for links on tweet copyright.Have you seen the “twitter fiction” in Sat @guardian?
1:39 PM – 28 Mar 13

sparrowbarley
@jiscdatapool @guardian Just mentioning because I bet they enjoy copyright. A whole story told in single tweet-quite well, by known authors.
1:41 PM – 28 Mar

briankelly
@sparrowbarley @jiscdatapool Some thoughts from last week’s discussion about copyright of tweets in context of people archiving @ tweets)
6:15 PM – 1 Apr 13

briankelly
@sparrowbarley @jiscdatapool Cookie law shows flaws in seeking to apply legislation which fails to address technological differences.
6:17 PM – 1 Apr 13

briankelly
@sparrowbarley @jiscdatapool Also see Guardian article on how Copyright wars are damaging the health of the internet: bit.ly/179ks58
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2013/mar/28/copyright-wars-internet
6:19 PM – 1 Apr 13

briankelly
@sparrowbarley @jiscdatapool So for me issue isn’t whether tweets are copyrighted, but whether its applicable to apply copyright legislation
6:20 PM – 1 Apr 13

briankelly
@sparrowbarley @jiscdatapool However I suspect commerical providers will be more innovative in analysis of tweets than HE 🙁
6:21 PM – 1 Apr 13

sparrowbarley
@briankelly @jiscdatapool Hmm. Well my point was in regard to the ethics of archiving other people’s tweets without their knowledge/consent.
6:23 PM – 1 Apr 13

sparrowbarley
@briankelly @jiscdatapool Unlike archiving a hashtag where I am adding my tweet to a collection voluntarily and know archiving is likely.
6:24 PM – 1 Apr 13

briankelly
@sparrowbarley @jiscdatapool So you object to tools like Storify?
6:24 PM – 1 Apr 13

briankelly
@sparrowbarley @jiscdatapool I’ve use a manual opt-out approach with Storify e.g. see heading at bit.ly/179l0I5
http://storify.com/briankelly/the-quality-of-embedded-metadata-in-pdfs-jan-2013/
6:25 PM – 1 Apr 13

sparrowbarley
@briankelly @jiscdatapool That looks reasonable. Presumably you also tweeted its existence so participants were likely toknow if they follow
6:35 PM – 1 Apr 13

briankelly
@sparrowbarley @jiscdatapool I’ve tweeted to ppl included, but not always, as it’s not a scalable solution (I’d be sending too many tweets)
6:38 PM – 1 Apr 13

sparrowbarley
@briankelly @jiscdatapool Yes I see but it seems they are somewhat likely to know about it. They have engaged with you, you have tweeted it.
6:40 PM – 1 Apr 13

jiscdatapool
@sparrowbarley @briankelly Thx for helpful extended dialogue on ethics, privacy and rights of tweet archiving
5:13 PM – 10 Apr 13

jiscdatapool
@sparrowbarley @briankelly Consistent with point raised, do I have your permission to ‘archive’ rest of tweet dialogue in blog comment?
5:18 PM – 10 Apr 13

briankelly
@jiscdatapool Me or @sparrowbarley ? I don’t require permission. I would like my tweets to be used sensibly (e.g. not out-of-context)
5:22 PM – 10 Apr 13

briankelly
@jiscdatapool BTW since yours is a project Twitter account, I would expect personal privacy considerations not to be relevant. Yes?
5:24 PM – 10 Apr 13

jiscdatapool
@briankelly We tweet differently for project accts. Do followers have different privacy expectations of projects? Hadn’t thought so. Maybe
5:56 PM – 10 Apr 13

briankelly
@jiscdatapool @sparrowbarley Similar to sharing a private conversation with others – you make a judgement as to whether it’s appropriate.
5:23 PM – 10 Apr 13

‏‏jiscdatapool
@briankelly @sparrowbarley Right or not, practical or not, if we accept need to seek permission we can’t assume it. But yes, not your point
5:45 PM – 10 Apr 13 · Details

briankelly
@jiscdatapool Do you ask permission to include (copyrighted) screen image? Suspect you don’t (& assume implied consent or take risk)
5:52 PM – 10 Apr 13

jiscdatapool
@briankelly Yes, but to choose to ask (in absence of other signals), or not, in all cases consistently is the point
6:00 PM – 10 Apr 13

sparrowbarley
@jiscdatapool @briankelly Thanks-sure, can you tweet the link so I can see if clarification is needed? Hard to discuss ‘ethics’ via twitter.
6:27 PM – 10 Apr 13

sparrowbarley
@jiscdatapool @briankelly Sorry I didn’t respond promptly; you have my permission!
5:24 PM – 23 Apr 13

Comment on Collecting and archiving tweets: a DataPool case study by Steve Hitchcock

Steve Hitchcock — Thu, 28 Mar 2013 12:17:15 +0000

Thanks @sparrowbarley for prompting the following Twitter discussion:

jiscdatapool Collecting and archiving tweets: a DataPool case study. The report http://eprints.soton.ac.uk/350646/ #jiscmrd
5:47 PM – 27 Mar 13

sparrowbarley @jiscdatapool What are the copyright & privacy implications of archiving personally identifiable tweets? I didn’t see that covered. #jiscmrd
6:18 PM

jiscdatapool @sparrowbarley Good points. I covered rights in Twitter services, not tweets. Consensus seems to be most tweets not copyrightable
8:37 PM

jiscdatapool @sparrowbarley On privacy of tweets, assume Twitter privacy policy applies, even to 3rd-party archive. Only archiving public tweets and info
8:37 PM

jiscdatapool @sparrowbarley By replying to ‘@jiscdatapool’ your tweet is part of our archive. What is your view on rights and privacy of your tweets?
8:39 PM

sparrowbarley @jiscdatapool Thanks. Why? Because they’re small?
8:39 PM

lescarr @jiscdatapool does that consensus include lawyers???
8:47 PM

jiscdatapool @sparrowbarley On copyrightable tweets see http://www.wipo.int/wipo_magazine/en/2009/04/article_0005.html … Different for linked Twitter content (eg pics) http://www.wipo.int/wipo_magazine/en/2009/04/article_0005.html …
8:51 PM

jiscdatapool @lescarr wipo refs 1 lawyer, otherwise ‘experts’. Also law professors http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/technology/shanerichmond/100004758/sxsw-2010-can-you-copyright-a-tweet/ …
8:55 PM

jiscdatapool @sparrowbarley Try again. On copyrightable tweets see http://www.wipo.int/wipo_magazine/en/2009/04/article_0005.html … Different for infringing tweets http://gigaom.com/2012/11/04/new-twitter-policy-lets-users-see-tweets-pulled-down-for-copyright/ …
9:04 PM

jiscdatapool @sparrowbarley Tweets that infringe typically link to copyright content, see http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/01/twitter-uncloaks-a-years-worth-of-dmca-takedown-notices-4410-in-all/ …
9:10 PM

Comment on Mapping RDM requirements for the next stage of data repositories by CKAN for RDM workshop | Orbital

CKAN for RDM workshop | Orbital — Wed, 27 Feb 2013 12:41:11 +0000

[…] suggested that delegates got a lot out of the event. You can read write ups from the DCC and the Datapool project at […]

Comment on Mapping RDM requirements for the next stage of data repositories by Joss Winn

Joss Winn — Wed, 27 Feb 2013 12:23:53 +0000

Thanks for the write-up Steve. From our point of view, there is no conflict between CKAN and ePrints. True, they are both content management systems and could be forced to do the work of the other, but in our workflow it makes sense to use both systems for what they are good at and this is made possible by the use of rich APIs and standards-based metadata exchange protocols. If there is a challenge in the future, I don’t think it is CKAN vs ePrints, but most likely the continuing challenge of meeting diverse disciplinary RDM requirements with very few existing tools. We are at the dawn of an emerging area of information management and much (very much) remains to be done by the RDM and open data communities to keep up with and meet that challenge. I do enjoy it though 😉

Comment on Mapping training needs for the support team by Reskilling for Research Data Management : a Workshop for Academic Librarians « Melon The Librarian

Fri, 08 Feb 2013 10:44:08 +0000

[…] that Southampton are doing with regard to RDM. They have a blog here. Dorothy Byatt’s work on Mapping training needs for the support team is really informative, the training matrix she includes is something I am going to look into for my […]

Comment on Data management plans (DMPs): the day has arrived by Revisited: Meeting (Disciplinary) Challenges in Research Data Management Planning : JISC MRD: Evidence Gathering

Tue, 03 Apr 2012 13:41:41 +0000

[…] and questions, some covered, some yet to be fully answered as Steve Hitchcock points out in his excellent blog piece (e.g. What is a DMPs scope, defined by whom? Where to best host a DMP? To what extent and how to […]

Comment on Architecting research data management systems by Steve Hitchcock

Steve Hitchcock — Mon, 12 Mar 2012 20:50:14 +0000

Had I been alert to Peter Sefton’s blog post An Australian Research Data Repository http://ptsefton.com/2012/02/14/an-australian-research-data-repository.htm, about work at the University of Western Sydney, I would have linked it here earlier. It says a lot more about data repository architecture. Dave Flanders’ comment on Sefton’s post captures the tone perfectly: “Love that you are making your project plan available like this in a very human readable form.”