It’s time for another Ask Dr. Leman: “Are we contributing to our 6-year-old’s crying fits?” Listen to Dr. Leman’s response on this episode of Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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Divorce is difficult for everyone involved, especially the kids. Listen in for Dr. Leman’s advice on maintaining respect from your kids on this episode of the Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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It’s time for another Ask Dr. Leman: “How do we help our grandchildren through their parents’ divorce?” Listen to Dr. Leman’s response on this episode of Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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How do you know when your kid is ready to join the workforce? Listen in for Dr. Leman’s advice on this episode of the Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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It’s time for another Ask Dr. Leman: “Why won’t my 3.5-year-old stay in bed?” Listen to Dr. Leman’s response on this episode of Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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What do you do if your pre-teen son or daughter hasn’t made any friends? Listen in for Dr. Leman’s advice on this episode of the Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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It’s time for another Ask Dr. Leman: “Our 16-year-old is using illegal drugs. Do we let him live on his own?” Listen to Dr. Leman’s response on this episode of Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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Dr. Leman goes back to the basics and discusses the home vs. hotel concept on this episode of the Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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It’s time for another Ask Dr. Leman: “How do I stop arguing with my 7-year-old who corrects everything I say?” Listen to Dr. Leman’s response on this episode of Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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Dr. Leman goes back to the basics and lists the “4 aces” every parent has on this episode of the Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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It’s time for another Ask Dr. Leman: “Why does my 18-month-old whine at home even though they act great in public” Listen to Dr. Leman’s response on this episode of Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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Dr. Leman goes back to the basics and explains the “tennis ball of life” concept on this episode of the Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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It’s time for another Ask Dr. Leman: “My 7th grader is saying yes to sex and I don’t know what to do.” Listen to Dr. Leman’s response on this episode of Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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It’s far too easy to rely on screens for your kid’s entertainment. Dr. Leman discusses screenless forms of toddler entertainment on this episode of the Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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It’s time for another Ask Dr. Leman: “My 14-year-old does well in school, but is unmotivated in other areas. Should I be concerned?” Listen to Dr. Leman’s response on this episode of Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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Do you have a tendency to buy more and more things for your kids during the Holiday season? Dr. Leman warns about Holiday consumerism in your kids on this episode of the Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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It’s time for another Ask Dr. Leman: “Can I build a unified family identity if I am divorced?” Listen to Dr. Leman’s response on this episode of Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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Have you ever wanted to quit your marriage and parenting altogether? Dr. Leman details the key next steps you should take on this episode of the Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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It’s time for another Ask Dr. Leman: “My son struggles to focus. Does he have ADHD?” Listen to Dr. Leman’s response on this episode of Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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Do you have to bring your kids to every obligatory gathering during the holidays? Dr. Leman gives his two cents on this episode of the Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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It’s time for another Ask Dr. Leman: “My 6-year-old perfectionist lashes out and threatens me when he doesn’t get his way. What do I do?” Listen in to find out Dr. Leman’s response on this episode of Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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What do you do when your kid wants to go to a friend’s sleepover? Dr. Leman gives practical tips and advice on this episode of the Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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It’s time for another Ask Dr. Leman: “Why won’t my 3-year-old eat his dinner?” Listen in to find out Dr. Leman’s response on this episode of Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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What do you do when your husband undermines you when it comes to parenting? Dr. Leman gives practical tips and advice on this episode of the Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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It’s time for another Ask Dr. Leman: “Why is our 4-year-old still refusing to potty train?” Listen in to find out Dr. Leman’s response on this episode of Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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What do you do when your husband is giving the kids whatever they want and leaving you to be the disciplinarian? Dr. Leman gives practical tips and advice on this episode of the Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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It’s time for another Ask Dr. Leman: “My 6-year-old is faking sick. How do we deal with it?” Listen in to find out Dr. Leman’s response on this episode of Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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What do you do when your child falls behind in school? Dr. Leman gives practical tips and advice on this episode of the Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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It’s time for another Ask Dr. Leman: “How do we parent adopted children who have experienced trauma?” Listen in to find out Dr. Leman’s response on this episode of Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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Taking kids out of the predictable and mundane can be difficult, especially when moving to a new home. Dr. Leman gives practical tips and advice on moving with kids on this episode of the Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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It’s time for another Ask Dr. Leman: “How do I deal with my kid’s boredom?” Listen in to find out Dr. Leman’s response on this episode of Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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What should you do when your teenager is sneaking out to see their girlfriend/boyfriend? Dr. Leman gives his insight on this episode of the Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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It’s time for another Ask Dr. Leman: “Why is family time at home important for our kids?” Listen in to find out Dr. Leman’s response on this episode of Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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How do you know when your kid is ready to drive? Dr. Leman gives his insight on this episode of the Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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It’s time for another Ask Dr. Leman: “How should we handle our toddler’s temper tantrums?” Listen in to find out Dr. Leman’s response on this episode of Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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Do you struggle to get your child to eat what you make for them? Dr. Leman breaks down the causes on this episode of the Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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It’s time for another Ask Dr. Leman: “How do I entertain my toddler without a TV or tablet while nursing my newborn?” Listen in to find out Dr. Leman’s response on this episode of Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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Is there a secret to keeping your kids close? Dr. Leman fills us in on this episode of the Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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It’s time for another Ask Dr. Leman: “My daughter is unsure of her engagement. How should I give her advice?” Listen in to find out Dr. Leman’s response on this episode of Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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Will the bread and water treatment lead your kid to rebellion? Dr. Leman gives us his take on this episode of the Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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It’s time for another Ask Dr. Leman: “Why can’t I get my preschooler to stop fibbing?” Listen in to find out Dr. Leman’s response on this episode of Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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How can you help end your kid’s phone addiction? Dr. Leman gives us his advice on this episode of the Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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It’s time for another Ask Dr. Leman: “Why won’t my youngest kids finish their chores?” Listen in to find out Dr. Leman’s response on this episode of Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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Dr. Leman never enforced a curfew on his kids. Should you? Learn all about the effectiveness of curfews on this episode of the Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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It’s time for another Ask Dr. Leman: “What do I do when my 18-year-old wants to drop out of high school?” Listen in to find out Dr. Leman’s response on this episode of Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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Do you and your kids always struggle at bedtime? Learn how you can put an end to nightly bedtime battles on this episode of the Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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It’s time for another Ask Dr. Leman: “My kid went to college and became uncompliant. What do I do?” Listen in to find out Dr. Leman’s response on this episode of Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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How would you handle the news if you found out your child is having you-know-what under your roof? Listen in to Dr. Leman’s advice on this episode of the Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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It’s time for another Ask Dr. Leman: “My 11-year-old won’t take ownership.” Listen in to find out Dr. Leman’s response on this episode of Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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What do you do when your child starts lying to you? Listen in to Dr. Leman’s advice on this episode of the Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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It’s time for another Ask Dr. Leman: “How do I parent my 18-year-old who lives at home?” Listen in to find out Dr. Leman’s response on this episode of Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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What is the 6-Year Limit and when does it start? Find out more on this episode of the Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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It’s time for another Ask Dr. Leman: “Why don’t I fit my Birth Order profile?” Listen in to find out Dr. Leman’s response on this episode of Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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It’s time for another Ask Dr. Leman: “Is it too late to change for the sake of my kids?” Listen in to find out Dr. Leman’s response on this episode of Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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On the day your child turns 18, will they walk out the door and never return? Learn how to keep your kids around long after they leave on this episode of the Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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It’s time for another Ask Dr. Leman: “How do you parent to Birth Order with 6 kids?” Listen in to find out Dr. Leman’s response on this episode of Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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Out of all the rules to teach your kids, this one is crucial. Learn how to implement the “A before B” mindset on this episode of the Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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It’s time for another Ask Dr. Leman: “Why does my son behave at home, but causes problems while at school?” Listen in to find out Dr. Leman’s response on this episode of Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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Could helping your kids also be a detriment to their success? Learn how to avoid “snowplowing the roads of life” for your kids on this episode of the Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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It’s time for another Ask Dr. Leman: “My 2-year-old is hitting me and screaming at the top of their lungs. What can I do?” Listen in to find out Dr. Leman’s response on this episode of Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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Authoritarian parents act in a display of power, control, and domination Learn how destructive this parenting style really is on this episode of the Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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It’s time for another Ask Dr. Leman: “How do we prepare our firstborn for a sibling?” Listen in to find out Dr. Leman’s response on this episode of Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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Is permissive parenting really all that bad? Learn how detrimental it really is on this episode of the Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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It’s time for another Ask Dr. Leman: “Growling no isn’t working. What can I do?” Listen in to find out Dr. Leman’s response on this episode of Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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Life is full of disappointments. Learn how you can talk to your kids about disappointment without making it worse on this episode of the Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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It’s time for another Ask Dr. Leman: “Why doesn’t Birth Order work for my 6 kids?” Listen in to find out Dr. Leman’s response on this episode of Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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Splitting up the holidays between families can be difficult, especially for the kids. Learn how you can help your kids through it on this episode of the Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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It’s time for another Ask Dr. Leman: “How do I get respect and peace back from my kids?” Listen in to find out Dr. Leman’s response on this episode of Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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Are you consistently supplying your kid with junk? Find out how too much gift giving can affect your kid on this episode of the Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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It’s time for another Ask Dr. Leman: “Why isn’t the playpen curbing my 2-year-old’s tantrums?” Listen in to find out Dr. Leman’s response on this episode of Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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Are the terrible twos a reality for every parent? Find out what Dr. Leman says about parenting two-year-olds on this episode of the Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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It’s time for another Ask Dr. Leman: “My daughter is throwing things around the house. When is it time for Vitamin N?” Listen in to find out Dr. Leman’s response on this episode of Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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Do you have a powerful spouse and powerful kids? Learn what you can do to navigate your powerful family on today’s episode of the Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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It’s time for another Ask Dr. Leman: “My 2 boys are always scheming together to create chaos and destruction. How do we stop it?” Listen in to find out Dr. Leman’s response on this episode of Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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Learn how to lead your family to be one that lasts on today’s episode of the Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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It’s time for another Ask Dr. Leman: “How do I effectively parent my children with distinct personalities?” Listen in to find out Dr. Leman’s response on this episode of Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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Here are 3 keys to parenting before age 5 on today’s episode of the Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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It’s time for another Ask Dr. Leman: “I found my 11-year-old nephew with women’s underwear. What should I do?” Listen in to find out Dr. Leman’s response on this episode of Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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Find out what the Leman Way is and how you can adapt it for your child’s school on today’s episode of the Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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It’s time for another Ask Dr. Leman: “I was too strict with my 12-year-old son. How do I rebuild our relationship?” Listen in to find out Dr. Leman’s response on this episode of Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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Dr. Leman gives an overview of 8 things parents can do to raise a successful kid.
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It’s time for another Ask Dr. Leman: “Should I parent my twins according to birth order?” Listen in to find out Dr. Leman’s response on this episode of Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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Every parent wishes they had the guide to navigating middle school with their kids. Dr. Leman lays out some of the most important things you can do to prepare your kids for middle school.
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It’s time for another Ask Dr. Leman: “Homeschool or Public School: Which One Should You Choose?” Listen in to find out Dr. Leman’s response on this episode of Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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What should mothers do to really raise wonderful kids? Dr. Leman stresses how much of a difference moms truly make in this episode of the Have a New Kid by Friday podcast.
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It’s time for another Ask Dr. Leman: “How do I build confidence in my fearful children?” Listen in to find out Dr. Leman’s response on this episode of Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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How do we teach our kids to be generous instead of materialistic? Dr. Leman talks about how to create a grateful heart on today’s episode of the Have a New Kid by Friday podcast.
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It’s time for another Ask Dr. Leman: “My chronic illness makes it impossible to parent consistently. What can I do?” Listen in to find out Dr. Leman’s response on this episode of Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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How do you respond when your kid acts up in front of others? Listen in to today’s episode of the Have a New Kid by Friday podcast to learn what you can do to shut down those situations.
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It’s time for another Ask Dr. Leman: “How do I help my kid bounce back from extreme disappointment?” Listen in to find out Dr. Leman’s response on this episode of Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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The pandemic has caused challenges and delays with education all across the board. Here’s Dr. Leman with some advice on how you can stay on top of your child’s learning despite the education gap.
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It’s time for another Ask Dr. Leman: “My 5-year-old perfectionist is raising hell in school. Help!” Listen in to find out Dr. Leman’s response on this episode of Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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What do you do when you can’t control what goes on in the other house? Dr. Leman gives us his advice on this episode of the Have a New Kid by Friday podcast.
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It’s time for another Ask Dr. Leman: “Every Night is a Tooth Brushing Fight.” Listen in to find out Dr. Leman’s response on this episode of Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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Dr. Leman gives us the recipe for raising a confident child on this episode of the Have a New Kid by Friday podcast.
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It’s time for another Ask Dr. Leman: “I have 6 kids and one of them is adopted. Do they still follow birth order norms?” Listen in to find out Dr. Leman’s response on this episode of Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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What are reasonable expectations and how can you tame your critical eye when it comes to parenting your kids? Listen in for Dr. Leman’s advice on the matter of expectations.
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]]>Dr. Leman lays down four foundations for success in today’s episode of Have a New Kid by Friday podcast.
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]]>It’s time for another Ask Dr. Leman: “I am an authoritarian parent. Now I am reaping the consequences. I want to change, but how?” Listen in to find out Dr. Leman’s response on this episode of Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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Could perfectionism be the silent killer in your family? Dr. Leman explains how flaunting your flaws may just be the remedy your family needs.
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Doug: Come on kids. Get the house cleaned up. Come on, vacum the house. Come on, get the bathroom perfect. Our friends are coming over today and no, I don’t want them to know about your grades that you were struggling with. And no, I don’t want them to see that. Is your life a showcase? Is there the perfect family, or maybe we don’t need to strive to be the perfect family. And when we do, what are the negative effects of trying to be the perfect family? Hi, I’m Doug Terpening.
Andrea: And I’m Andrea,
Doug: And we are so glad that you are joining us today. If this happens to be your first time with us, we’d love for you to know that this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or your child, please go seek a local professional for help.
Well, Dr. Leman, I know I’m supposed to jump into the topic right away, but I got to tell you something that just happened. We’re recording this a few days after Valentine’s Day, and this doesn’t go out until April 6th, but our daughter decided that… So we throw dances here for a bunch of teenage kids once a month here and our daughter said, “The adults never get to do the dances.” So we are going to host a Valentine’s Dance and Dinner and she got about 18 of us together, and have a friend who went to culinary school, and they threw us a dance. And we had the most delightful time. And the meal was amazing; service us filet mignon. It was incredible.
Dr. Leman: Who came to that?
Andrea: Mostly it was the parents of the teenagers that come to the dances.
Dr. Leman: That hang out. I see. Okay.
Andrea: It was sweet.
Doug: But that’s not the topic for today. Sorry, everybody. I just thought we hadn’t told you, I probably should have told you off air, but now everybody knows. So Dr. Leman, we distinctly feel this pressure to be the perfect family because everybody else around us has no problems. Their kids are perfect. Their lives are perfect, but we’ve got to shove all our secrets in the closet and we’re starting to get stressed out about all this. How do we get out of that and how did we get into it?
Dr. Leman: Well, wow. That’s a loaded question. I’m just thinking about my own life. I’ve always been sort of, not sort of, a very informal person. I was in a restaurant the other day and I had on a Leman Academy of Excellence sweatshirt and somebody asked me if I worked at Leman. I didn’t quite know what to say. I said, “Well, yeah.” And I sort of stammered. I could see by the look on this guy’s face, he was trying to figure out where am I going with this? Because I couldn’t answer a simple question. I said, “Well, actually”, I said, “I’m Dr. Leman.” And he took a step back and said, “You’re Dr. Leman?” And he said it like that. Well, I got flip-flops on, a pair of shorts I know have at least two spots on them, a sweatshirt, my hair wasn’t really combed, but I had a hat over it, so I didn’t think it made that much difference, but you could see it in his eyes. “You’re Dr. Leman?”
That’s me. I should have told them I got thrown out of the Ritz Carlton Hotel once, in a nice way. They throw you out really nicely at the Ritz Carlton because I wasn’t properly dressed. But I think it goes back to how we were brought up in our family. And I realize the question you’re asking is, “Do we need to be the perfect family? Are we too concerned with how people see us? Do they see the outside of us and not the inside of us?”
I’ve said many times on our podcast and I’ll repeat it, perfectionism is slow suicide. So if you’re a perfectionist, my condolences. If you want to make a difference in people’s lives, I think you flaunt your imperfection, and flaunting your imperfection is not an easy thing to do, but it sort of says, “Hey, we’re all imperfect.” From a scriptural standpoint, we all fall short of the glory of God. We’re all very imperfect people. The marvelous thing about being a believer is that God loves us despite ourselves. So when I hear about people struggling with “our house isn’t clean enough and isn’t perfect enough”… I remember being in a pastor’s home once and his home was meticulous. I mean, there was not one thing that seemed out of place.
And I kiddingly asked him, I said, “Pastor, don’t you have a junk room?” He said, “Oh yes, I have a place for my junk.” He went to a closet and he opened it and on the floor was a box that was, I’d say, 16 inches high and three feet long. And he opened it and it was a very well-organized junk box with some tools and some light bulbs in it and some other stuff I don’t remember. I thought, “Oh my goodness.” Our pastor, a couple Sundays ago, came out in a suit. He rarely wears a suit. And I was watching online because of COVID and, in fact, you can chat with other members of the church during the sermon, and I typed in, “Whoa! Who bought our good-looking pastor a new suit?” Because it was so different from what he usually wears.
And as he developed his sermon, he took off his jacket and on his white shirt there were filthy marks all over it; just dirt marks, black, brown, all over it, and you couldn’t see with his coat on all the stains and the darkness in his shirt. And of course he used that as an example about how we sort of hide our dirt as people. I thought it was a very good way of conveying the message and I commented that we all need dirt bags in our lives. We all need places to put the dirt. You know, I’m going to get spiritual here for a second, but again, if you’re not a person of faith, just don’t listen for a second. But you know, the person that you think is holier than thou, I got news for you, they’re not. So that’s why I say we all need to learn to flaunt our imperfection. And I think lots of times, as we relate to our children, our kids really look at us and feel like, “My mom or dad would never do this. My mom and dad would never do that.”
I’ve said for years, kids love stories. When you’re tucking kids in at night, tell stories about yourself as a kid where you made a wrong decision, where you were embarrassed, where you did the wrong thing. Who wants to approach someone who is perfect? If you’re imperfect, that makes you approachable. It seems to me, that’s what all of us need to be in life. We need to be approachable so the people we love will communicate the truth to us, and people that we don’t know will be drawn to us. It makes sense to me. I revel in the fact that I’m imperfect and God, the perfect one, his son, Jesus, who never sinned, that he loves me no matter what. I always tell churches, when I’m speaking in a church, the sin you’re going to commit this week, I got news for you, it’s already forgiven.
So who’s kidding who? I talk with a friend, in fact, he lives up your way in Oregon, he’s got a new program called it’s something like Pastors Fishing Retreat, it’s on Monday. He takes pastors out and he said, “It’s amazing how, when you take pastors out fishing in a river, how they tend to let their hair down and they get a chance to interact with other pastors.” He says, “It’s marvelous to see how the weekend unfolds.” And they really show their real self to one another. Well, here’s a thought for you, parent, when you pray, do you pray from your real self? “Lord, you know I struggle with this, Lord, you know I struggle with that.” Or do you pray from the ideal self? “Oh, Lord, make me this. Oh, Lord, make me the vessel I need to be.”
Come on, get with it. God knows your heart. He knows your every thought, he knows the number of hairs on your head, so why go down Perfection Lane when you can live a stress free life by realizing that you’re imperfect? Stress is a part of our life every day. And people create their stress through unrealistic expectations they put on themselves and they put on others. In fact, I wrote a book about stress. It’s a pretty good book, by the way. So anyway, those are my thoughts, Doug and Andrea.
Andrea: Well, just as you were talking about it, it makes me think a few years ago, how Doug would remind me when people were coming over. If you have everything perfect in the house when they come, then they’re not going to want to invite you over to their house because they’re going to think you have it all together. They’re going to see that nothing’s out of place, but that’s not reality of how we live. And so over the years I’ve learned that there’s a balance between have it nice so they feel comfortable; you don’t want it to be a mess, you want people to feel comfortable just sitting on the couch or the bathroom is clean and there’s a fresh hand towel, but you don’t have to have everything perfect because then people are going to think they have to live up to that standard to invite you to their house or whatever, get in their car, whatever the deal is. And that’s been really freeing for me. So I appreciate that we’re talking about this.
Dr. Leman: Andrea, that is so good what you just said. Every word you just said is just spot on true. And since Mrs. Uppington is still in bed and can’t hear what I’m about to say, I’m going to tell you though, when Mrs. Uppington has a couple over for dinner, number one, there’s enough food to feed a herd of people, a herd of people, and everything from the lime sorbet that cleans your palette, whatever that means, to the flowers that are fresh at everyone’s… I mean, she just overdoes it, to put it bluntly. And I remind her, I said, “Honey, when was the last time one of our friends invited us for dinner?” And then I answered my own question. I say, “They haven’t. You know why? Because none of those women feel like they can put on a dinner like you.” You think that makes a difference in how Mrs. Uppington proceeds in life?
Andrea: No, she loves it.
Dr. Leman: Yeah. She still does it.
Andrea: As I think about our story, I realize I love to go and have somebody else pamper me and have things beautiful, but I think that this process has helped to set me free that I don’t have to add up on my end, that we offer something different in our friendship and the people that are comfortable coming around, they’re okay with it. That I am not a trained chef or that I am not an interior decorator. I ask my friends, “Hey, what picture should I hang here because I don’t know!” I just realize we have to give and take, and I don’t have to be afraid of what they’re going to think of me. So it is a process, but it really has set me free.
Dr. Leman: Yeah. Well, good for you. That was really well set up. If every person would take that to heart, they would live a less stressed life. Stress is a huge thing today. The stress that we have inward, that we feel emotionally, expresses itself through our body; through neck problems, back problems, headaches, migraines, you name it. Stress will find its way out and it tends to do it through our muscular skeletal system in our body. So it’s a big killer today that the medical doctors tell us, stress.
Doug: Well, which is a great lead into the ebook promotion that we have for everybody today. And that is Stopping Stress Before It Stops You. For a mere $1.99 between now and the end of April 2021, you can get Stopping Stress Before It Stops You in ebook form wherever you get your eBooks. Andrea?
Andrea: Yeah, so I have a review here from Amazon, “This is a great book for moms, but husbands should read it too, to give a glimpse of what their wives go through. As a husband, I am stressed too, but it is enlightening to read how moms sometimes put unnecessary stress on themselves with their expectations. Dr. Leman offers good solutions to stress, and isn’t shy about making your spiritual life a priority.”
Doug: So between now and then the April 2021, go get Stopping Stress Before It Stops You. And now, a no-nonsense parenting moment with Dr. Kevin Leman.
Dr. Leman: The question is, “What do you do when your kid hits you?” You hit him back, knock him right out cold. No, no. That’s just my bizarre sense of humor. Listen, you don’t start habits with kids that you don’t want to have continue. So even a little one, a two-year-old or a three-year-old, hitting mommy, no, you hold the child close to your body and you tell them with a look on your face, “We do not hit people.” Now, when you say, “We don’t hit people”, you got to make sure you’re not hitting him. They watch your actions. They study you every day.
So when a kid hits, many times it’s just a reaction, but if a kid continues to hit, there are some issues there. There are some things that little guy or little girl is angry about. And the best way to get to the bottom of that is to simply talk about them with a calm voice. But modeling is really important. “Notice, mommy doesn’t hit daddy, daddy doesn’t hit mommy, big sister doesn’t hit big brother, et cetera.” Do your best, again, “nip it in the bud,” as Barney Fife once said. Nip it in the bud. That’s the important part. Don’t let it grow. Don’t let it fester.
Andrea: All right. So now I’m wanting to draw this into the whole idea of parenting. Dr. Leman, how do we take this idea that we’ve just talked about, about perfectionism, and apply it to our parenting? How does it affect our kids and how do we train them?
Dr. Leman: All right. Number one, be a good listener. Stop telling kids just to do things. Stop asking questions, ask opinion. That creates real dialogue, a transparency, a place where we communicate with each other without hurting each other’s feelings and putting people down and acting like we have all the answers, and most parents feel that way. So it’s a paradigm that works. Let the kids give back to the family. We talked about that. It’s a healthy thing to do. So everybody gives back to the family. No one member of the family is more important than the family. Family comes first. Everybody rows the boat in the same direction.
Doug: When we’re trying to be the perfect family, and we’re trying to have this facade, what are we communicating to our kids? And how does that… I got to assume that’s a negative on our kids’ life.
Dr. Leman: Yeah. You’re valuing them on their performance. It really says, “I really don’t care about you. I care about how you perform.” So you look good to our neighbors, to our friends, to our church group, to you name it. So it’s just putting a sense of realness in your family. Being quick to say, “I’m sorry, I was wrong”, for example, is just such a good thing.
Doug: Wow, so you’re saying if I try and keep my life perfect, I really am making my kids say, “You only count when you perform the way I expect you”, huh?
Dr. Leman: Yeah, we’re performance-based families in America, for the most part.
Doug: And how does that then lead to stress for me and my kids?
Dr. Leman: It leads toward disaster because the kid, or the adult as they grow older, says, “I only count in life when I achieve, when I win, when I control.” You just create a society of a bunch of control freaks. Good luck with that!
Doug: So there’s just this tidal wave of culture that says you must be perfect, it must be ideal. What do we need to shift in our mind, or what does an action step we can push that back and not live that way?
Dr. Leman: I don’t know what… The first thing that comes to my mind, Doug, I went to the dermatologist the other day and I’m fair skinned, light hair, so I’m a dermatologist’s dream. In fact, I used to kid my dermatologist. I used to say, I think he was saying, “How are ya?” when I walked in and I discovered he was saying, “Hawaii”, because every time I walked in, he saw a Hawaiian trip on the horizon for all the stuff I needed done. But, I digress. But I was looking around in the dermatologist’s office about all the services they offer; Botox, these kinds of injections, those kinds of injections, skin surface resurfacing… And the women in there, and these are middle-aged women who are basically trying to make sure they look like they’re 29 years old.
To me, there’s nothing worse than a woman that doesn’t grow old gracefully. My wife is now in her seventies. And as I’ve said many times, heads will still turn. She’s a very, very attractive woman, very pretty. And as we grow older gracefully, I think that shows that things are okay inside of a person. But our society is so hung up on we should on each other. You should do this, you should do that, which conveys that you’re not there. You don’t measure up. That’s such a disrespectful thing to say. Billy Joel said it best in his song I Love You Just The Way You Are. Isn’t that great to have somebody love you just the way are, with all your warts and blemishes and faults and frailties? So this stress thing with your kids, I’m telling you parents, just be real, be honest, be straightforward, listen to them, be quick to say, “I’m sorry”, and you’re going to raise some pretty healthy kids.
Andrea: I’m trying to figure out how to ask my question. I’m thinking about imagining a kid growing up in a family where everything has to be perfect and they don’t have anyone they can talk to about what’s actually behind that veneer and the brokenness, the hurt or whatever, because the image they have to project is that “We’re perfect at home”?
Dr. Leman: Well-
Andrea: What happens to that kid as they get older?
Dr. Leman: What child do you think is most likely to commit suicide? The first born. Why? And I’ve read many a suicide note in my life; I’ve been privy to him as a Dean of Students at the University of Arizona. And I’ll tell you, they have a theme, “I’m sorry I didn’t measure up in this world.” Really? Didn’t measure up? To whose expectations? Many times of their own, but how did that get there? By the practices and the communication, or lack of communication, and the very sterile environment they grew up in where perfection reigned.
Andrea: So that maybe goes back to what you were first saying after the break, that when we’re a good listener to our kids, and we let them dialogue with us, when we let them ask us questions and we don’t act like we have all the answers.
Doug: Do you remember? It was probably like seven years ago or so, or six years ago, when our kids sat us down and said, “We’re tired of trying to live up to this expectation. And we’re tired of doing this. And mom and dad, we want you guys to stop.” Right? That’s exactly what we were just saying that if we listen to our kids, they’ll actually tell us what we’re needing to do and how we had to set ourselves on a different path and set them free.
Dr. Leman: You know, people just have to get it that you see little Miss Perfection, little Mister Perfection, I’m here to tell you, they’re going to do a swan dive. They’re going to hit the concrete someday.
Doug: And it’s so much more fun now that our kids actually call us out on things that we’ve said we want to stop and we don’t want to be a perfect family anymore and it’s way more enjoyable. It really is. There is no fun in being the perfect family, for sure. So, okay. Well for all those perfectionists out there, I can’t encourage you enough to drop it. It’s not helping anybody. If you’re dealing with stress, go get the book, Stopping Stress Before It Stops You. It’s only $1.99. You’ll be super thankful. Stress, as we know in America, is the silent killer that’s just growing rampant out there. And we look forward to the next time we get to hang out with you and add to your parenting toolbox so that you can love those kids more and more.
Andrea: Have a great week. Thanks for joining us today.
Doug: Take care. Bye-bye.
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Doug: Well, according to Dr. Leman, if I’m the baby of the family, I’m supposed to be fun and attention getting. If I’m the oldest I’m supposed to be studious and well thought about, or I think about things well. But the question from a colleague today is, I don’t fit your birth order descriptions Dr. Leman, why not?
Hi. I’m Doug Terpening.
Andrea: I’m Andrea.
Doug: And we are really glad that you are joining us today. If this happens to be your first time, I’ll let you know, this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or child, please go seek a local professional for help. Well, actually, even before I jump into Chloe’s question, I feel like either you have gotten monkeys or dogs, there seems to be more excitement in the house.
Dr. Leman: Yeah, well, usually it’s Sandy and I, we no longer have our dog. Our little Cocker Spaniel has gone to, on the dog heaven. But we do have two, four-year-old twins roaming the house. And so I have become an expert in children’s TV, PAW Patrol, Disney’s Playhouse, Mickey and Minnie, this and that. And they get up. We do this early in the morning, by the way, the Terpenings are up 6:00 AM on the West Coast, they live in Oregon. I live in Arizona. So I start at 7:00 AM, Terpenings start at 6:00. While the little ones get up about 6:30 and they are in the family room, which is a good, Oh, I’d say 60 feet from where we are. And they’re as quiet as four-year-old twins can be in the morning. So it just adds a little reality to our podcast. So if someone comes in and you hear all of a sudden, “Grandpa.” That would be one of the twins saying good morning to grandpa Leman.
Doug: What a blessing that they want to come and be with you. Alrighty. Well, let’s jump into Chloe’s question. Here it is.
Chloe: Hi, Dr. Lehman. I have a question about your Birth Order Book. I am highly confused about which of the four I would fall into. I’m the baby of the family, but the oldest is 12 years older than me and the middle child is six years older than me. That would make me function like an only, except for the fact that due to both cancer and marital issues, both of my sisters lived in the house, the whole time I lived at home. My oldest sister also had a baby who is six years younger than me and treated me like I was her sister. My parents are also divorced and my mother remarried, but my father did not and depended highly on me. I always acted older than my age, but I’m also not much of a perfectionist, unless it is an order to please another person. I’m highly driven by pleasing other people.
Another aspect is that I spent most of my summers and any holidays at my art teacher’s house who has children that all looked up to me as an older sister. Thank you so much for listening to my question. I look forward to hearing what you have to say.
Dr. Leman: Oh well, I love the question, number one, Chloe. And I have to tell you, I love your name too. I think that’s such a great name for a young lady. Let’s see if we can solve the confusion. Number one, your family sounds different. We have divorce and remarriage. We have your aunt, is one year younger than you. If I’m thinking right, if I caught that story right. But birth order wise in your family with one child, 12 years older than you, and one six years older than you, all three of those birth orders are firstborn personalities. Now here’s the question, are all firstborns alike? You have firstborns that are very domineering, they are far removed from pleasers. In fact, I wrote a national bestseller called, The Pleasers: Women Who Can’t Say No-And the Men Who Control Them, years ago, I think it was in the late 80s, I wrote that book.
But the fact that you’re a pleaser fits in very well. I know you think you’re a baby, you’re not. I know ordinarily you’re the youngest, but you function as a first born and your a first born pleaser, where I would assume that with the other two firstborn positions, that is your oldest sister and your middle sister, both of them probably have similarities, but they have distinctives. For example, if the firstborn is the controller, that ends up that one of you have to be pleaser. So I’ve already said you taken that pleaser point. Well, what is the middle child then? The middle child should probably be, if there was a rebel in the family, it should probably be her. If not, the next best candidate for the rebel is the firstborn who’s controlling and dominant. So I’m just saying if you make a list of the personality characteristics that describe your two older sisters, you’ll see that there are distinct differences, and yet all of you are firstborn personalities.
Once you have a five-year gap between the births of the same sex children in a family, you’ve created emotionally and psychologically a new family. So you have three little families under the same roof, which is always interesting. But again, if I heard that right, you have an aunt that’s a year younger than you. And that gets real interesting, especially if you’re living in the same home. So anyway, for openers, that’s my observation on that. And we’ll hear what Doug and Andrea have to say about that. And did I catch that right about that… Let’s see aunt who would be a year younger than her?
Andrea: I think I heard that she has a niece that’s six years younger than her.
Dr. Leman: Six years younger?
Andrea: Six. One of the sisters had a baby and the baby lived there in the house with them, is the way I heard it.
Dr. Leman: Okay. Well then again, now we have four firstborn personalities living in the house and it’d be really interesting to see how they get along. In fact, I’d make a guess that the two that don’t get along would be Chloe and that little aunt or little niece, whatever she is.
Andrea: You described each firstborn has to take on a distinctive. And so you described one is the controller, one is the rebel, one is the pleaser. I don’t think I’ve ever heard that before. Can you run that by us again?
Dr. Leman: Yeah. Well, your firstborns come in two different types. You have the accommodating pleaser who goes through life, trying to please everyone in sight. And then we have little Attila, the leader, but probably a very domineering personality. And so it’s either or at the firstborn position. And their mantra is, I only count in life when I win, when I control what I dominate or when I please other people. I tell a story about taking my wife to one of her favorite restaurants years ago. And she ordered salmon. And this is a very expensive restaurant that we went to like once a year. For example, to celebrate an anniversary. And she’s eating around the edges of the salmon. And I said to her, “Honey is your fish done right? Is your salmon good?” “Oh, honey. It’s fine. It’s fine.”
Well, I’m telling you that salmon was still swimming up stream. It was way under cook. So I said, “Honey, let’s…” “Oh no, no. Don’t make a fuss. Don’t make a fuss.” “I’m the baby of the family. I’m going to make a fuss. That piece of fish was expensive. And so, excuse me, waiter.” He comes over. This is one of those places where they got the gray jacket, the black jacket, that red jacket. I mean, it’s a fancy restaurant. I said, “Excuse me, but my wife’s salmon. It’s still swimming upstream. It’s not done.” The guy sort of “Oh, I’m sorry, sir.” And he went and he brought back a well-cooked salmon, the way she’d liked it. And then the best part of this was the guy comes over, says, “Oh, the chef sends his apologies and he’s going to create a Flambe Baked Alaska, drenched with fresh strawberries.
Doug: So why is it important, and then I have another question about Chloe’s, but why are we talking about this on a parenting podcast? How is the birth order going to help me with parenting?
Dr. Leman: Well, the little boy or little girl you’re once were, guess what you still are. Think about that. The little boy or little girl you once were, you still are. You basically don’t change that much. When you’re under pressure, you’ll revert to your earlier learned behaviors. And understanding who you are as an adult, knowing your pluses and your minuses is really, really important. And just yesterday I gave a PD, a professional development session to our teachers at one of our schools. And I had heard that one of our teachers who’s been with us for a few years, a good teacher, has really turned the corner and really developed into just a top notch teacher. And I mentioned that publicly. I said, “By the way, David, I’ve heard some wonderful things about you. I just think that’s so great that you’re making such an impact on our scholars lives.”
Well, yesterday afternoon, I got an email, “Dr. Leman, hey, thanks for taking the time to visit with us. And your comments to me were really encouraging. Thank you so much.” You don’t outgrow your need for vitamin E. And when you see things in people’s lives, that need to be reinforced by vitamin E, encouragement, you do so. But noticed that this teacher, he responded to that saying, “That really meant a lot to me.” This is a veteran teacher.
And so it helps to learn about birth order to help you figure out what are your negatives? What are your minuses in life? We’re not all five star. I mentioned to them yesterday. I’m not an organized person by nature. To be a good teacher, I think you need to be pretty well organized. That really helps to get through life and be successful. You need organization. Well, what did I do? I’m not organized. I’ve tried to get organized. Not very good at it. Well, I hired Ms. Organization. When I hired Debbie Backus, many years ago, she’s worked for me for 30 years. She’s as organized as they come. She could organize anybody. She can run anything. She’s marvelous. So-
Doug: So for the parents out there that are going, okay, that’s for me personally, but how will it change our parenting toward our kids, if we know their pluses and minuses and where they fall into that?
Dr. Leman: Well, if you know, you’re a perfectionist, for example, you have to be able to harness that perfection. You have to put away the flaw picking critical eye that you own, or you’ll discourage your firstborn beyond measure. Why do I say the firstborn? Because they’re the lab rat of the family. They’re the ones you practice on. You’re not as tough on your third born or your fourth born as you were in your first born. Your first born got in trouble for younger childhood. I don’t care what she did, you’re the oldest. I expect more of you. That type of stuff. So The Birth Order Book, people always ask me, “I’ve never read one of your books, but I really enjoyed listening to you. Where do I start?” And many times I’ll say, “Well, that’s a tough question for me to answer. But I think if you read The Birth Order Book that’s would be a real good starter.”
Because it gets you into family systems. And it lets you see that the apple didn’t fall too far from the tree. And it gives you insight into how your parents probably treated the three of you or the four of you the same and how that backfired. It might give you insight as a parent to why you should treat your kids differently. Because they’re different. They’re not clones of each other. So I think there’s great psychological insight and a lot of practicality from reading a book like The Birth Order Book.
Doug: Well, I know for us that what helped us as you often say, we have to get behind our kids’ eyes and see the world as they see it. And I don’t often think of how an oldest will think, or how a youngest will think, or as a middle child. And it really helped me go, “Oh, okay, this is what they’re thinking. This is how they’re feeling.” And it really helped me think, “Okay, I need to back off here and I need to make sure I’m doing these types of things.” So that’s how we’re doing this. One, is just to highlight people that this does make an impact. Now we have a new book from Baker Books that I’m super excited about it, especially in the season that we’re in. And that is called, Stopping Stress Before It Stops You, for [inaudible] 99 from April 1st to the end of April of 2021.
Andrea: And I think it would be really interesting to hear what Dr. Leman has to say about this book. I’m curious.
Doug: Who’s it for?
Dr. Leman: Well it’s for adults. We all have stress. Many times stresses manifest its way throughout our body, headaches, backaches, stomach disorders. Stress will take a physical toll on your body. Now here’s the kicker. We are the manufacturer, as well as the distributor of stress. Where does the stress come from? Does it come with that first cup of coffee? Is it in a drinking water? Or does it come from outside of your body or inside of your body? Try to answer that one. That’s like, what came first, the chicken or the egg. But stress can be very harmful. Our expectations we have, are many times the Genesis of the stress in our lives. For those of you who tend to be perfectionistic, wow, you’re walking through stressful every day because all your little ducks have to be in a row before you move forward.
When you grow up and you realize that life isn’t perfect and life gives you curve balls. And some days when you plan a picnic at range, you’re growing up a little bit at a time. So it’s a good look at how stress is created in our lives and how we can begin to alleviate that stress by the decisions that we make. Many times when I’m talking about stress at a seminar, I’ll say, “Okay, I want everybody to stop. And I want you to think about this. You find out six days from now that you have cancer, stage three cancer. How is that going to affect your life? How is that going to affect the priorities in your life? What now are the most important things in life? How your 15 year-old leaves the room, as she dashes out the door to school? Or is that somehow not so important all of a sudden?
So in that book, I like to ask questions that make people really think about what’s important. A week from Saturday, you’re standing at the coffin of your wife or your husband. How’s that changed how you see things in life? So I get people into thinking about don’t take today for granted, to enjoy this day, to rejoice in this day, realize it’s a gift from almighty God to have this day. And are you going to nitpick and whine and fuss over the imperfection in your life? Or you’re going to enjoy this great day God’s given you? So it’s a good little read. Anybody who feels like they’re stressed, this is a good one for you to read.
Andrea: Thanks. Thanks for telling us about it.
Doug: And now a no nonsense parenting moment with Dr. Kevin Leman.
Dr. Leman: There’s no way this parent tip is going to win favor in the hearts of kids or parents. The question is, when should you give that youngster a cell phone? Now I said, “Give.” A lot of parents say, “You know what? You should really work for that phone.” And I agree with that. But I think somewhere between 7th grade and 9th is the time to give kids a phone. Kids have phones I know in 3rd grade, in 4th grade. I have parents telling me, well, they need it for school. I tried another school. I think 7th grade, age 12, 13 is plenty early. Parental controls on a phone, I think is a must. Good luck.
Doug: So then we can go back to Chloe now. How much in her words, I don’t remember the exact word she used, but she described her family as lots of relational problems and divorces. And I think she might even use the word, dysfunction in the family, relationally. It was something like that. How much does that affect birth order when there were appears to be those kinds of chaos.
Dr. Leman: Well, it makes the three sisters in this case, more of a loners, maybe I would call one of them may be a defensive controller, which means essentially I don’t really enjoy controlling, but it’s my best defense against the crazy people I live with.
Doug: Yeah. If you’re on the defense, it’s going to affect everything that you’re doing.
Dr. Leman: It makes us guarded, it makes us distrustful of other people. Does that affect our relationships with husbands, for example? Absolutely. Does it affect our perception of who God is? Well, whatever your daddy was, I got news for you. That, in all probability is a pretty good indication of how you see almighty God in your life.
Doug: And then I hear Andrea right, that she said she did all the holidays at her art teacher’s house too?
Andrea: Yes.
Dr. Leman: Yeah. That’s very good perception Doug. You get five stars for remembering that, for picking that up.
Andrea: Oh my goodness, [inaudible].
Dr. Leman: You did. You saved your name in the state of Oregon and Arizona, for sure. But yeah, that’s an interesting point. You see, whatever that art teacher was all about, there was probably a sense of calmness in that family. It was a stress free environment for her to go to. And so lots of times, in fact, I asked some teachers just yesterday, I asked for a show of fingers, “How many people really loved you, really had your back as a kid growing up?” In the average yesterday was about four or five. And I told them, “I’ve asked this a 100 times or more to groups and you guys are on the high end. Usually the answer is two or three. But most of us don’t have a handful of people who really had our back. But when you find someone like that, like Chloe found the art teacher, there was some stability and some calmness that she really liked and that if she researches her memories, she’ll realize that that’s one of the reasons why she was attracted to that art teacher and her home.
Doug: Well, Chloe, we really appreciate this question just to highlight, the Birth Order Book, if you haven’t read it, it’s one of Andrea’s favorite book. She loved it, loved it, loved it, loved it, I highly recommend it. Also during the season that we’re in of life right now, Stopping Stress Before It Stops You is just a great book. Again, we’re all dealing with different stresses this time around that we’ve never dealt with in some of us ever. And you can get it between now or April 1st to the end of April of 2021, wherever e-books are sold. Well, it was great to be with you today and add to that parenting toolbox so you can understand those kids and then love them more and more. We look forward to the next time we get through this with you.
Andrea: Thanks for being with us. Have a good week.
Doug: Take care. Bye-bye.
]]>Are your kids struggling in school? Dr. Leman gives the skinny on what you can do for your kid’s education.
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Doug: A C on their last test? What? How in the world is this kid ever going to survive school? How can I help my kids do better in school? That’s the question we get to ask Dr. Leman today that many of us are feeling. Hi, I’m Doug Terpening.
Andrea: And I’m Andrea.
Doug: And we are really, really glad that you’re with us today. If this happens to be your first time, I want to let you know this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If this subject matter raises any concerns for you or your child, please go seek a local professional for help. Well, Dr. Leman, we got our kids in this crazy school system that’s kind of, some are in person, some are not in person. How in the world, what can I do to get my kid to do better in school?
Dr. Leman: Well, it’s a great topic, and it’s a great question. And I think we have to be as truthful as we possibly can be. The pandemic has taken its toll on education big time. I’ve often said when a kid is about 18 months of age, they are like a sponge. If you ever want to teach a kid a second language, 18 months is a great time to start because they just absorb so much. But real learning takes place in the classroom. And as you know, across the country, there are many, many school districts, huge school districts who’ve been shut down for this entire year. They’re not going to go back to in class learning until this fall of ’21. And you just have to understand that you don’t just instantly make that up. I know ourselves, we have seven schools, Leman Academy of Excellence.
I was just talking to our CEO the other day about this. And she was saying that the measureables are there. You can see a distinct drop off in what kids are learning. Now check this out. We have been in class learning, but it’s different. There’s a whole different social milieu that has developed in our schools, so even those who have been in school on a continuing basis, we can see that there’s been some drop off. The kids haven’t succeeded and bloomed like they should’ve. So imagine the drop off from kids, we call them scholars in our school, who have been on screen, on remote learning all this time. You don’t get that back very easily. So the whole educational system, in my opinion, suffers. So parents, here we are in the spring of ’21, and all we can look forward to, we’re happy we have vaccine available now, and that’s changing the outlook.
And I think the mental state of a lot of parents, as well as students, and I think when we return this fall, I think that’s where we have the chance to begin to make up the ground that we lost. So parents, I know you’re concerned about your kids, that drop off, the grades, you see that kids are sick and tired of looking at screens. And by the way, I’ve said it 100 times, I’ll say it again, screen time of any kind is not good for young children, period. There’s been 40, 50 years of hard research on that, that proves that point.
So here’s the good news. Parent, ask yourself this question. Is your son or daughter a voracious reader? If they are, your child is the exception. Your family is the exception. You’re not going to see a huge drop off in that kid’s ability to learn and perform. You’re not going to see a drop off in the grades unless they’re just sick and tired of the screen. I’ve told parents this for years. If your kid’s a reader, don’t worry about your kid’s education.
Andrea: So does that mean we can just stop doing this screen time thing school and just read with them?
Dr. Leman: You know what, Andrea, that’s not a bad idea. If your son is daughter is so turned off by the screen, enrich their lives with books, materials. Every kid has their interest, whatever that interest area is. Make those books available. Download them. Purchase them, whatever it takes, and feed that kid’s ability to read because that is the real key to education as they move forward.
Andrea: How does it affect their ability to learn math or concepts that aren’t reading based?
Dr. Leman: Well, reading is the key to everything. And with things specific to math, if you’ve got a kid that’s in the eighth grade and they’re taking elementary algebra, they’re a year ahead, they’re taking it in eighth grade, that son or daughter is going to have to have instruction in math, unless they’re very, very unique and become a self learner when it comes to math. But it’s much more difficult to be a self learner when it comes to math because it’s so XO, obviously, numerically dominated. So that’s the situation where if you’re really turned off with your school and how they’re doing things, my suggestion would be hire a tutor to work with your son or your daughter.
If you have a daughter and she’s eighth grader, seventh grader, I’d find a junior in high school. I would find a young man who would tutor your daughter in your home. If you have a young man, same situation. I would look for a young woman to tutor your son in mathematics.
Andrea: Now you’ve talked about why you would choose the opposite sex to help them out before. But for people who are new listeners, can you explain why you would do that, and why it’s okay?
Dr. Leman: Well, once you’re in about seventh or eighth grade, you really do recognize the opposite sex. And if you can find a young man or young woman that has a personality plus the skill, believe me that young woman is going to pay attention to that junior in high school who’s got this charming personality. She’s going to try to please him. She’s going to work hard. She’s not going to turn him off. And same with that young man who has a young female. I mean, at that time, they’re interested in the opposite sex. And it’s just a much easier transition for your son or daughter to pay attention to what that tutor is doing.
In fact, I just had this conversation yesterday with a couple. And dad said his daughter just isn’t a math person. And she’s getting As in all of her subjects right now, but she’s getting a C in math, and quite frankly, that’s a stretch from what he tells me. The teacher is very lenient when it comes to grades in math, and gives her all kinds of extra credit for crying, for trying. Crying, that’s pretty good. She does cry over math. But anyway, the point is that if you go out of the box here and think, okay, parent, you want to change things up. It’s been a long, long year. Then again, if your son or daughter is a reader, I think most of your worries are cast aside.
Now what if your kid doesn’t really enjoy reading because they’re an auditory learner? Then I would make books on tape available to your son or your daughter, so they get to explore areas. Again, what are their interests? Make sure that reading parallels their interest. That’ll go a long way in solving problems. Is this podcast an answer all for the question that was asked? No, because things are fluid. They’re dynamic. They’re changing from week to week in many of our school systems. But remember, parents, you are the best teacher to your child. There’ll never be a teacher as good as you. So be careful about your critical tongue. Make sure you’re not should-ing on your kids too much, when you say, “You should do this. You should do that.” What you’re really saying is, “You didn’t measure up in my eyes.” Be careful about your words. Look for encouraging words.
Doug: So Dr. Leman, this is all nice, abstract conversation you two are having, which I really like. It’s kind of fun to listen to this. But the reality is, high school grades matter. And college is going to look at those things. And you two just want to pull them out and get a cup of tea and light some candles and read some books on the couch. But they’ve got to get As and Bs if they’re going to get into a right school. So my question to you is: Do I pull a B doesn’t happen, doesn’t start until A is complete, and say, “Until these grades get up, man, you’re not doing nothing around here”?
Dr. Leman: Well, and again, what you just said, there’s nothing wrong with what you just said for a kid that’s not giving a lick or a holler. But that isn’t what Andrea and I were talking about. We were talking about, okay, given what’s going on, and screen time isn’t good for kids. How do you go about it? Well, if you’ve got a kid that’s just bucking the whole system and shutting down, and insists on playing video games and that’s it, obviously, you give them what I call the bread and water treatment, where all of a sudden, things change quickly. And that kids finds himself twiddling his thumbs and doing nothing, or he or she gets with the program and works on getting those grades up. Grades are important.
But here’s a caveat here. Everybody in the US in this past year, their grades are probably not going up. Let’s put it that way. But check this out. I just saw, I think it was the state of Texas, is considering not having final exams this year. I know in the state of Arizona, they’ve given school systems … Every school is evaluated. They get a letter grade, A, B, C, D, or F. And the state, I believe, has made all the preparations to eliminate this year for grading because they know how terrible across the board it is. So the states are sort of grading on a curve this year. And they’re providing a lot of grace, it seems to me, realizing this has been tough on the student, the parent, and the teacher.
What’s happening in our schools, and again, I get a close up look at this every day, you’ll have on a Friday in a school of let’s say 1000, you might have 15 teachers call in sick on a Friday because teachers have had it. And they feel like they’re stretched to the max. They feel like they’re putting their life at risk. And then of course, you always have the drama queens and kings who just live in fear every day, and they don’t really make the great effort to engage like you should as an educator. So again, like I say, this podcast is not going to solve the problems of the world. But hopefully, we’ll give you some ideas that are based on you as a parent are the best teacher. No one knows your kid better than you do, so plan accordingly.
Doug: So you guys were talking more about this unique situation that we’re spending a lot of time on Zoom, or Google, or whatever, with our teachers. But when I talk about the grades, so you are saying, “My kid brings home a C, I tell them PlayStation, you don’t get to do that until that grade’s up to a B.” Is that what you’re telling me I get to do?
Dr. Leman: Yes, you can do that if your son or daughter isn’t putting in the time and effort. If your kid is in a remote situation and one parent is home, you know what the kid’s doing. He or she is under your nose. You can supervise how much time they put into their school work. And so for the kid that’s not giving a lick, yeah, I would induce all the different techniques that we’ve talked about on this podcast in terms of holding your child accountable for what he or she does or doesn’t do.
Doug: So let’s say they’ve got a math assignment that they’ve got to get done. Does that mean that I get to walk into his room and tell them, “Sally, until that math assignment is done, don’t come to the dinner table. Don’t pull out the PlayStation. And don’t even think about asking me to do something. Until that assignment’s done, you got nothing from me”?
Dr. Leman: Yes. If you want permission, yes, you can do that. Exactly. It’s how you do it, it’s the words you choose to use, parent, that’s going to make that effective. If you come in with an attitude and you’ve got a powerful child who’s struggling in math to begin with, I’ve got news for you, he or she’s just going to dig in all the further. They’re not going to let you win because you got yourself in a power struggle.
Doug: You’re totally confusing me because I thought for sure you were going to tell me, if you want to cause problems, you’re proud sitting there like the king and the queen, I thought you’d tell me, no, you do reality. You don’t tell them you’re going to do this. This is just how it happens. So which one is it? Do you tell them you’re going to do this, or do you wait until you get the grade back to start this?
Dr. Leman: Problem with waiting for the grade to come out is some schools are on a six week, some are on a nine week, some are on an 11 week. You’re going to wait nine weeks to take action, you know your son or daughter isn’t doing what they’re supposed to be doing, and so a casual conversation says, “Hey, I can’t help but realize that you’re really not giving a lick and a holler. I asked your mom what she thought, and she said the same thing. So from now on, when you ask for routine things that we usually grant you the right and privilege to do, you’re going to hear a different answer.” What are you talking about? Well, I’m talking about the fact that you seem not to be keeping up with school work. I emailed your teacher and she confirmed that. And so you’re on notice that your life is going to be a little different.
Well, what do you mean different? What’s going to happen? Well, we’ll take it one day at a time, but you’ll see your life is going to change quickly. So you’re trying to be matter of fact about it, but you’re being firm, and that’s what kids need. They need to know that you mean business. And so they’re not able to haul out PlayStation and do the things they normally like to do to kill time.
Doug: Here’s the hard part though for parenting right now, is we’re exhausted ourselves. And we are tired of our kids always being underfoot. So I kind of want them to go do PlayStation, and kind of have a break from me so that I get a little peace and quiet. And I feel bad for them that they’re kind of stuck here. So if I take away these privileges now and they can’t do this, and they can’t do this, what the heck is that kid going to do? They’re going to drive me even more nuts at that point.
Dr. Leman: If they suck it up and they start doing their work, they’re still going to have a lot of time to do things that kids love to do. By the way, I saw the sign in a window the other day. It said, “My husband is for sale.”
Doug: Was it Andreas car? Just tell me the truth, Dr. Leman.
Dr. Leman: No, it wasn’t Andrea. She didn’t send me a photo of it. So all I’m saying is this has been so hard on all of us. I’m convinced my wife sends me out to look for things that don’t exist. In fact, the day before Thanksgiving, she sent me to Costco, and I had everybody laughing in line because I said, “This proves that my wife doesn’t like me, sending me to Costco the day before Thanksgiving.” I’m telling you, the lines in Costco, I mean, you couldn’t breathe in the place. It certainly isn’t a place you should go to during a pandemic. But I only have two or three underlying conditions, so she doesn’t care. She sends me there.
But my point is that having kids underfoot all the time, 24/7 now, this has been a tough time for all of us. So I would say to families, find something you can do as a family once a week that’s just pure fun. And try to realize that we’re all in this thing together. When you say, “My kids are driving me crazy,” well, let’s be honest. You’re driving the kids crazy. Dad’s driving the kids crazy. Dad’s driving you crazy, and you’re driving Dad crazy. So with that as common denominators, who hasn’t sinned, let’s throw the first stone. So I think you have to put some reasonable thought into all the things we’re talking about. You want to temper your feelings. You just don’t follow your feelings, if you do, you’re going to do things and say things that aren’t good because all of us are under pressure at this point.
Doug: That’s good. When I come back, I want to ask you a little bit different question about segment of age group and how this is applied. The eBook that Baker Books is offering all of us this month is Have a New Sex Life by Friday for $1.99 between now and the end of March of 2021, wherever you get eBooks sold.
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Doug: What a lucky husband. So wherever you get those eBooks, get them now. And now a no nonsense parenting moment with Dr. Kevin Leman.
Dr. Leman: Helicopter parents, can we talk about them for just a second? Personally, I think they ought to be launched into space. If you want to design a way to weaken a child, be the helicopter parent, be the one that double checks with them three times to make sure they have their school work done, and their pen and pencil, and their computer and their phone in their backpack. When you peer over a kid’s shoulder, you’re really saying loudly, “I really don’t believe in you.” The old Kenny Rogers song comes to mind, She Believes in Me. There’s nothing better than having somebody believe in you and let you stretch your wings and fly from the nest. So parents, if you’re a helicopter parent, it’s time to disable that propeller.
Doug: All righty, Dr. Leman, so a question for you. We’re talking now little kids. Right? So kindergarten through third grade or so. How much am I engaged in their schooling? IE, you’ve told us, we call the teacher. But how much am I asking my kid, “How much homework do you have? What assignments do you have coming up?” At that age?
Dr. Leman: Well, I think you are involved in your kid’s education K through three. But I think it’s really important that you set the parameters in your home that your son or daughter does the work. Kids are very, very good at saying things like, “Mommy, I don’t understand that.” And they’re working you. What they want you to do is simply do the work for them. For example, if you’re reading to a first grader, here’s an interesting thought I think, and first graders are just learning to read. And you’re reading a book with them, they are reading, and they come to a word, and they stop. The tendency as a parent is to just say the word. My suggestion is just wait silently and let the kid figure it out.
And if the kid doesn’t figure it out, then jump in and say, “Okay. Let’s look at the first letter of that word. It’s a B, so it’s got a buh, or a B sound. What’s that second letter? That’s an O. Okay, you got bo, bo, B-O. What’s that third letter? That’s an A. Okay. So you got bo, boa, or bo, A. What’s the fourth letter? That’s a T. Okay. So you’ve got B-O-A-T. What’s the T sound, sound like? Ta, so you’ve got boa, oh, a boat. Good. Good job.” That’s what you call sounding it out. And you go on, but don’t be the parent that always is telling a kid a word. Let there be work in a kid learning to read. Let them feel the accomplishment. When a kid learns to read, that’s a big deal because that’s the key to every positive thing in education. So yeah, you are involved, and you give kids and opportunity.
And have fun. I mean, I’ve told you this 100 times, but in our schools, we have a huge sign that says, “Leman Academy of Excellence, where learning is fun.” Learning ought to be fun.
Andrea: So one of the things that we talk about a lot on this podcast is having kids have their own responsibility, and I totally get helping them learn to read and figure out their math or whatever. If they’re really struggling, how bad is it for a first through fifth grader to get bad grades? It’s not going to go on a transcript that goes to a community college or a university. Is it okay if my kid in elementary is getting grades that are below par for say, my satisfaction, and let them deal with the consequences that the school gives them because they have lower grades?
Dr. Leman: Good question, Andrea. I would rather have the school teacher have the conversation with a third grader that says, “Melissa, I just finished up the grading, and you got a C. And I have to tell you, I’m very disappointed. I really don’t think you put the time and effort at home. Your homework looks like you just gave it a lick and a holler. It doesn’t look like you really put some time in it. I don’t think you’re going over your work and checking it. And I want you to know, I feel you can do a lot better than this. So your mom and dad will get the report card, and I’m not sure how they’re going to feel about it, but I just want you to know as a teacher, I don’t think you’re really giving your best effort. So I want to see improvement from you right away.” Kids will listen to a third party emotionally better than they will from their own mom and dad with situations like that.
Andrea: You are reflecting a story from my life, actually, in third grade, when I got a C on my report card. And I tell you, I remember what my dad said, I remember how he responded and it wasn’t good. And I think if my teacher had that conversation with me more than my dad, and sure, I could see mom or dad saying, “I’m disappointed,” then the story for me going ahead would’ve been different. So I totally get what you’re saying and I appreciate what you’re saying. It does, that word you said, emotionally, can handle it better if it’s coming from a third party. It would’ve been a different story for me.
Doug: So what about now if we jump up to the fifth grade through middle school? How much am I asking them, “How’s your assignments coming? How’s your workload coming?” All of that.
Dr. Leman: I’m not big on asking kids questions, even the proverbial, “How was your day at school today?” Wait for the child. A child will tell you one way or another what’s going on in school. And you can read it in their eyes, you can read it by their posture, by their mood. Again, I wouldn’t start drilling a kid. I would email the teacher, or better, call the teacher and say, “Hey, is there anything going on in school with little James? He seems a little out of sorts.” And I’d approach it that way.
Use that third person, parent, it’s so much better. Your kid’s going to say, “I have a mean teacher,” things like that. Well, okay, if you want to believe that, believe that. In all probability, if your kid says, “I got a mean teacher,” your kid probably has a good teacher who’s good at holding kids accountable. So go right to the horse and hear it from the horse’s mouth about what’s really happening in the classroom. Then you’re better prepared to have a conversation with your son or your daughter, with the guidance of what teacher has already told you.
Doug: So then I would imagine, now if we go through the high school years, you would say same advice, just go right to the teacher. Don’t pester the kid about his grades.
Dr. Leman: Yes. But keep in mind that if your kid is struggling in fifth and sixth grade, for example, think back, and they were probably struggling in second and third grade as well. These problems show up early, and that’s why, parent, if you see deficit learning in your kid as a kindergartner, a first grader, a third grader, I’ve told the story many times. Our youngest daughter repeated kindergarten. And I remember thinking, “I can’t believe what I just heard. This kid’s a smart little kid.” And she is smart as a whip. She’s a voracious reader today. She is a toy designer. She just got a huge raise with her nationally known company. She’s created things that are in three of the Disneylands, for example. She’s just very talented, but she did repeat kindergarten.
We have conversations today. She’s 28 years old. And I say with tongue in cheek, “You were just dumb. We had to have you repeat it.” Now obviously, that was just a joke. But we followed the advice of the teacher. I’ve written lots of books about kids. There was very much a part of me that says, “This is hogwash. This kid is, she’s like an only child.” Did I ever tell you the story about freeze tag? She was playing freeze tag, and she froze. And of course, the rules are that somebody has to unfreeze you. Well, we get a call from the school, rather panicky. They can’t find Lauren. She’s a kindergartner, and they can’t find your kid. Well, all of a sudden, just a few minutes later, we get a call back, “Oh, we found her. She was frozen way out the end of the playground.” Well, rules are rules. I mean, that’s the way that kid is.
Doug: Oh, that’s [inaudible]. That’s awesome. Well, we really hope this has helped you parents figure out how to help out with the school years.
Andrea: And maybe to relax a little bit right now. And I love what Dr. Leman said about taking your time for your family to do something fun together.
Doug: Right. Call the teacher. Read to the kids. It’s less, not more in certain cases. But you’re right, go to the teacher is the A, number one way, or find that tutor. Helping us quite a bit in our household to have a tutor. Well, we really hope this helps you parents as you are navigating this crazy world of education right now, that’s got all sorts of twists and turns and new challenges, to be able to love those kids more and more, as you try and parent them. We look forward to the next time we get to be with you.
Andrea: Have a good week.
Doug: Take care.
Andrea: Bye-bye.
]]>It’s time for another Ask Dr. Leman: “My mother-in-law told my kid that I should be doing more.” Listen in to find out Dr. Leman’s response on this episode of Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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Doug: Could you imagine if your 11-year-old daughter walked up to you and said, “I have been informed by my grandmother that I no longer need to do as much around here. And, I’m supposed to do less and you’re supposed to do more.” Well, that’s the question that somebody called in and asked, and we get to ask Dr. Leman, how would you respond to that? Hi, Doug Terpening.
Andrea: I’m Andrea.
Doug: And, we are really, really glad that you are with us today. If this is your first time with us, want to let you know this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or your child, please go seek a local professional for help. Well, let’s hear this caller’s question for Dr. Leman.
Call In Questio…: Good morning, Dr. Kevin Leman. Thank you so much for taking my call. I’m a big fan of your books, and recommend them, and buy them for many of my friends and family. This morning, I am calling because of my 11-year-old daughter who is growing quite an attitude. At first, I assumed it was hormones, but the other day I had enough forethought to be able to get a conversation going with her.
She informed me her nana, my mother-in-law, told her that if I loved her, I would be making her breakfast and lunch, and not giving her so many chores. And, that I was failing as a mother on that aspect. We talked for a bit and she remembered that I stopped making her breakfast and lunch when she stopped wanting to eat what I made her.
I make a vast dinner, but breakfast and lunch is up to my kids. All four of them will make various foods that they have been trained to make. I was later informed by my husband that my mother-in-law went to my husband and told him that I need to be giving my kids more chores. I’m not quite sure how to handle that due to the fact that my mother-in-law and I have not been on speaking terms for two years after she tried getting us to divorce. I would appreciate your help, thank you.
Dr. Leman: Oh, my goodness. Oh, where did we start? I’m making notes. Well, you don’t have a kid problem, okay. Your 11-year-old girl is fine, she’s just being 11. And you’re right, a lot of what’s going on with 11 year old is probably hormonal, because whatever she receives from people, whether it’s mother-in-law, you, dad or whatever, she’s still 11 year old. So, read a Planet Middle School or have a New Teenager by Friday, both of those books will be of help to you and how to respond to that daughter.
But, I want to talk about this mother-in-law. I would find a way of telling her she should call Dr. Laura. I would love to hear Dr. Laura take apart your mother-in-law. I mean, she got to be nutso, okay. That’s a psychological term. Nutso, look it up, N-U-T-S-O. And, she wants her son to divorce you. There’s a little something suspect about that. That person is a poison person in your life, in your husband’s life, and in your 11-year-old daughter’s life.
I want you to hear what I’m saying. This kid’s grandmother is poison to the family. She is poisoning the well, she is stirring things up, and I think you need to have a heart to heart with your husband on this one. And, he has to make a decision, “Hey, do you need mommy’s constant agitation, masters love? Or, do you want me as your wife, and you want your 11-year-old to really appreciate you for being the dad you are?”
I think that conversation takes place, and that might really be frightening. Not only for you, but really frightening for your husband, because you’re talking about his mom. And, everything in him says, “Respect your mom.” It says, “Honor your father and mother.” Let me tell you something about honoring your father and mother, it says, “Children honor your father and mother.” It doesn’t say, “Adult children who have children, honor your father and mother.”
There are certain situations where you leave and you cleave, and now your first priority, dad, is not your mommy.” Your first priority is to your wife, and then your daughter in that order. So, I’d love to know at our resident psychologist farmers in disguise from the great State of Oregon would think of that suggestion.
Doug: Well, the follow-up question I would have for you is I think he’s going to say, “Well, honey, I think there’s some validity to what my mom is saying. And, I think we should listen to parts of what her advice is.”
Andrea: Right, and she told him that the wife should give the kids more chores, but she told the daughter-
Doug: Can we wait on that? I think that’s a side point.
Andrea: Oh, well, I’m trying to understand the scenario.
Dr. Leman: Well, there’s two different issues, I get it. But, the big issue is mother-in-law telling her son that… Or in this case, mom telling her son that you need to divorce her. To me, the caller sounded like a sane mom who’s tried to follow through. She said, “I stopped making her meals when she refused to eat what I prepared for dinner. Fine, then fix your own meals.” And, that’s right out of my book, I’m not going to disagree with that.
11-year-old thinks she’s the queen of the Hill, and maybe she is and fine. Going to the Hill, make yourself whatever you want. There’s food in the refrigerator, we’re not locking it up. I’m just saying, I’m not preparing food for you to have you say, “I don’t want that.” Well, you fix your own. That’s keeping the tennis ball of life on the right side of the court.
Doug: If this wife doesn’t stand up to him, how’s this going to play out, you think?
Dr. Leman: If the wife doesn’t stand up to him, the wife is going to continue to get turned off. The marriage is going to go downhill, and everybody’s going to pay. Mom’s going to pay, dad’s going to pay, and 11-year-old is going to pay. And, guess who wins? Guess who wins? The controlling, nosy mother-in-law.
Like I said, I’d love to hear what Dr. Laura would say to her. Ever listened to Dr. Laura? She’s actually a physiologist, she’s really not a psychologist or anything like that. But, she rips these women, “Oh, Dr. Laura, it’s just such a privilege to talk to you.” And 30 seconds later, Laura has taken out her carving knife, and carved the caller in about nine pieces.
Doug: I can’t believe some of the people call in to ask [crosstalk]-
Dr. Leman: I can’t either, I can’t [crosstalk]-
Doug: … [crosstalk]for it on that one. So Andrea, to your point, the mother-in-law told the daughter, “you should do less.” And, I think she misspoke when she said, “And, the mother-in-law told the father that the kids should do more.” So, I think she meant to say less. I think it’s kind of a side issue, but she’s pointing out that the mother-in-law’s going to the father talking about the kids, not to her. Telling the kids, “Do this.” She’s just putting seeds of distrust, and poisoning [crosstalk].
Dr. Leman: Yeah, she’s poisoning, she’s planting seeds of discord. So, I don’t know, I would stay away from that lady.
Andrea: And whatever way it is, it’s divisive, right. And, she’s going to everybody and [crosstalk]-
Dr. Leman: Yeah, what you have there, you got Trump and Pelosi in a bag and shaking it up for a good measure.
Doug: Well, in our own circle, we have seen a mother-in-law that wasn’t quite this bad, but was kind of poisonous. And, when the couple came together, and the husband actually told his own mom, “Mom, you’re not invited until you get your act together and can respect my wife.” The mother got so mad that she left for like two or three years. He thought she had the right to stick her nose into their business, but eventually it was really interesting.
I think missing the grandkids made her calm down enough that she realized she couldn’t do it. And, the father-in-law in this case stepped up and said, “We have to change if we want to see our kids.” But, it turned out great, and now it’s wonderful. So, I would say if you’re in this situation and you’re the wife, and it’s scary to do this, you’d need to do this here. As we’ve seen the results, haven’t we, Andrea?
Andrea: Mm-hmm (affirmative), yep.
Doug: And, do you feel really loving when I choose my mother over you? Is that just one of the cockles of your heart?
Andrea: No.
Doug: So, Dr. Leman I have a quick story for you that sort of relates to this. This is how bad my life is, my wife has only been wrong once or twice in our entire marriage, and I’m sure. And, I went to my mother, because I was like, “Mom, can you believe Andrea did X, Y, and Z?” Do you know what my wife mother-in-law, formerly known as my mother said? She said, “Well, honey, I love you, but you probably caused it. You’re wrong, she’s right.” My mom has never taken my side with anything with my wife.
Andrea: Never ever.
Doug: She never has, has she?
Dr. Leman: Yeah, that’s a smart lady.
Andrea: And, she still brings all that candy around for the kids.
Doug: They hate this crime in the Terpening house, candy.
Dr. Leman: Oh, well I think we solved the problem.
Doug: Well, okay. I’m going to make sure I just get this in. So, Baker Books is offering you guys a great ebook, Have a New Sex Life by Friday. Boy, these two need to read it for a dollar ninety nine between now and the end of March of 2021, wherever eBooks are sold.
Andrea: We have a review from Rita, it says, “If you buy this book, be prepared to make personal changes in your marriage.”
Doug: Yeah, well we know someone who needs to get some personal changes in the marriage, this caller and this book will help you with more than just sex. So, go get this book wherever you buy eBooks between now and the end of March of 2021. And, now a no nonsense parenting moment with Dr. Kevin Leman.
Dr. Leman: Today’s college expenses are absolutely out of this world. I don’t know how anybody affords to send their kids to college. Years ago, well, a generation ago or so, it was probably the advice of what Dr. Kevin Leman to let kids absorb that cost by themselves. There’s something to be said for that, but today’s college tuition at many universities, 50, 60, $70,000 a year. Wow, how do you do that? Well, number one, before we go into the big debt thing, consider a community college for the first two years.
Most students who go to college could profit to your experience. As far as taking out loans, parents, it’s on you. If you want to bear that burden, you go right ahead. I think there’s something very healthy about the son or the daughter signing up and taking out loans. So, you help them, I helped all my kids, all five kids. But, times have changed, it’s very, very expensive. So, have a good conversation with your kids. If they’re appreciative of your effort, that would encourage me to be more helpful to them. Good luck.
Andrea: So, should this mom say anything to her 11-year-old about how she is choosing to respond to the mother-in-law?
Dr. Leman: No, I don’t think so. I think you just do that on the QT, and grandma might disappear from that kid’s life for a while, and she’s probably going to contact her. And of course, the poison pusher is going to say something very unpleasant, about 11-year-old’s mom. And, 11-year-old is going to see a little different side of grandma, and 11-year-old’s not real happy with mom to begin with, so she might buy into some of it too, but-
Andrea: Doesn’t that make the situation worse so for this caller?
Dr. Leman: It does, it does. See, when I say we’ve solved the problem, what I mean is we’ve given mom in this case a means of telling her husband, “Hey, you got a choice to make here, Charlie.” Because, this situation is clearly on the husband shoulders. He’s the one that has to stand up, and defend his wife and his family from his mother.
If he’s not man enough to do that, all bets are off, okay. So, it all starts with him, but yes the 11-year-old kid, she’s going to feel like she’s a chicken, wings being pulled each way. It’s not healthy for kids, but when you have an unhealthy adult around a young kid, there’s going to be a consequence for the 11-year-old.
Doug: When the husband finally gets enough guts to go talk to his mom, does he take his wife so that they’re shoulder to shoulder? Or is it like, “You go talk by yourself, buddy.”
Dr. Leman: No, I think wife, shoulder to shoulder is the best talk. Mom, doesn’t have to say a word. Her duty, so to speak, is you stand next to her husband. See, with powerful people, let me… With a powerful kid, for example, if you’re not shoulder to shoulder as parents, you’re not on the same page, that kid will chase you up one side and down the other. You’re not going to get anywhere with that kid. So, you have to be on the same page, psychological, you got to be shoulder to shoulder and if you’re not, you’re defeated.
Doug: And, your encouragement to the girl that called in is, she needs to stand firm to her husband and make it super clear that this is going to just poisoning their marriage and their family.
Dr. Leman: Right, and she has to reaffirm her love for her husband. I mean, she sounds like a good mom to me. She doesn’t sound like a bad mom or a nutso one.
Doug: Any advice you’d have for her ad the wife stands up to her husband and tells him, “You got to do this.” You have a perfect example of it from this weekend, right. Oh, Dr. Leman I was such a jerk to Andrea this weekend, you wouldn’t believe it.
Dr. Leman: She probably deserved it.
Doug: No, she did not.
Dr. Leman: I’m just kidding.
Doug: Well, I called my mother and said, “Mom, Andrea did this, isn’t she wrong?” And my mom said, “No, go apologize.”
Dr. Leman: Yeah, there you go.
Doug: Andrea stood up to me very clearly, and strongly, and directly in love, and she was right. And, it made me kind of pull up short, and realize I had to [inaudible] it. So, it’s not bad for wives to… Especially, the time to realize their wrong.
Andrea: Yeah, I think it’s worth it, and I think it’s scary. And, I think doing it in love and not attacking is the best way to go. You can’t be pointing fingers. Talk about how it makes you feel.
Doug: Yep. Well, thank you caller for calling in, anything else Dr. Leman before we wrap up?
Dr. Leman: I would suggest to people who enjoy our podcast to tell your friends about it. We know there’s a growing number. We have people that join us who say, “I never heard of this fat little guy before.” And, I’m thinking, “How did that happen?” But, it happens. And, we like to have fun, and we try to be helpful and we know you enjoy it, so help spread the word for us. Appreciate it.
Doug: Well, and we appreciate you guys listening and being a part of this, and we do it so that you can love those kids more and more. And in this case, even your spouses so that parenting gets easier for you. Well, it was great to be with you, look forward to next time.
Andrea: Have a great week.
Doug: Have a great night.
Andrea: And, I hope that that goes well for you, caller.
Doug: Yes, yes we’d love to know how it went. We’d love to know how it went. Take care.
Andrea: Bye-bye.
Doug: Bye-bye.
]]>Failure is an essential part of life and it’s a reality your kid will need to face. Find out more about how you can help your kid through their failures on this episode of Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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Doug: Wow, I totally blew that. I think I’ll never be anything. Wait a second. I didn’t make the basketball team? That’s it. It’s over for me. I’ll never amount to anything. The question we get to ask Dr. Leman today is, when is failure final, or is failure final? How do we know it? How do we deal with failure in our kid’s life? Hi, I’m Doug Terpening.
Andrea: And I’m Andrea.
Doug: And we are really, really glad that you are with us today. If this is your first time here, welcome. Really glad that you get to be with us. This is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or your child, please go seek a local professional for help. So Dr. Leman, when is failure bad for our kids and what about this stupid phrase that failure is not final? How do we deal with it in our small kids and our teenage kids?
Dr. Leman: Well for parents, number one, your kid’s failure is a death blow. Let’s face it. Parents go way out of their way to keep their kids happy at every turn. I think I have in my book, I framed it failure isn’t fatal. Here’s a thought for us to think about this morning, is when you talk to someone who’s very, very successful and you ask them the question, how much failure was in their life, they will tell you surprisingly, a lot of failure. So there isn’t a safer place, and this comes from the book, Making Children Mind Without Losing Yours, which is a million plus seller by the way, by me, and been around for a long time. But there’s not a safer place for your child to fail, parents, than in your home.
Dr. Leman: Now my question is, when they do fail in the home, how do you respond to that failure? That’s the key, because kids need to learn that life isn’t perfect, that you get curve balls. They learn that from mom and dad. Kids love stories. I’ve always encouraged parents to make up, fabricate based on some truth, a story about your life, and share some of the failures in your life. Kids learn through stories. They love to see that mommy and daddy goofed up or they made a mistake, but you’ve got to tie it together so there’s a happy ending, where mom or dad was wrong, they got very angry, they did something bad, but later on, they made up with her sister, their brother, their mother, their father, their grandfather, whatever it is. Those are little teachable moments, I think. So yeah, I hope there’s failure in your life.
Dr. Leman: I was doing a PD the other day, a professional development for teachers, and I made the point about the teacher I really love is the teacher that says, “You know what, I’m lost. I need some help.” That’s the teacher that I can deal with. That’s the teacher that we can help. That’s the teacher who can learn to be a better teacher. The teacher I get skittish about is a teacher who says, “Oh, I got it. This is simple.” That’s the one I worry about. So life’s a learning process and we should expect failure, but it’s how you handle that failure that’s important.
Dr. Leman: I know as a kid, Doug you mentioned, I got cut from the basketball team. And I still remember, you’ve heard this story, I think, going up to my junior varsity basketball coach and said, “Mr. Parr, you skipped over my name,” because he had just read the guys that made the team. And he said, as only a tender-hearted man could say, “I didn’t skip it, Leman. You got cut.” I grabbed my clothes from my locker, ran home. This was in Buffalo, New York in the winter time, November. And cried all the way home. I was 15 years old.
Andrea: How did you deal with it? And how did your mom process that with you? Because you said, “See how we handle it.”
Dr. Leman: I didn’t deal with it well. I avoided school. I used to cut school a lot. I did some of my winter sports after school. I started to run with a little different crowd, because all these guys that were on the basketball team, well two of them were my two best friends as a kid growing up. So it put a chasm in friendships for me because these guys were at basketball practice after school and I was walking home by myself, where it used to be the three of us, we’d walk home, and that would be after basketball practice. So, I dealt with it like a lot of 15 year olds would deal with stuff. I told myself I was better than this guy. And this guy, in retrospect as an adult, I think he cut me because I was always fooling around and he probably had enough of my fooling around and said, “You know what? He’s not serious enough to become a ballplayer.” Because I had played up until then. I played on a freshman team as a seventh grader, which meant I was pretty good, but it caught up to me.
Dr. Leman: And my parents always had my back. They just always did. My mother was probably, “Oh honey, it’ll be okay.” Well, how do you know it’s going to be okay, mom? But that’s sort of her. That was her mantra in life, everything’s going to be okay. But she was an encourager. I never doubted for a moment that I was loved and cared for. We were a very poor family. We didn’t have much in terms of things, that’s for sure.
Doug: So Dr. Leman, you already referenced this, that today we’re all about making sure our children don’t fail. So you’re not painting a picture after you’re being cut from the basketball team to give parents like, “Oh, great. Then I don’t have to worry about my kid failing.” You’re ramping up the meter of like, well, I can never let them be cut from the basketball team because then they’ll become like Dr. Leman, and we don’t want that.
Dr. Leman: Yeah. That just triggered a memory, Doug. I was talking about doing my winter sports, which is true, but I found out that there was still time to try out for the bowling team. The bowling team. So I’ll get in trouble for saying this. So I stooped to that level and I showed up and I was just in the nick of time to try out. And I tried out, I got caught from that. That was a bad year. That just was too many bad things happening. But again, life goes on. You’re right, Doug. Parents want their kid to be successful at everything. They push them. And when you push kids, usually the kids dig in and situation’s going to get worse. So how you emotionally handle your kid’s failure will determine, in essence how your kid is going to handle that eventually.
Dr. Leman: Like I say, when a kid throws a temper tantrum, what do you do? You step over the child. Well, psychologically parent, are you able to step over the hurtful thing that just happened to your son or your daughter where there was failure in spades? Can you just roll with it? Honey, I understand. I know it’s a huge thing to you and I’ve got to tell you, I hurt for you. And in all honesty, I’ve got to tell you, it’s not the biggest thing in the world as I see it, but I’m not you. And so that would be my way of talking my kid down from this, it’s the end of the world because this happened.
Doug: So here’s armchair psychologist, Doug Terpening. One of the things that Mrs. Terpening and I recognized here recently because of something in our kids’ lives, is that we are those parents that are trying to protect our kids from any pain at all. We don’t want them to experience any kind of setback or failure. And then I realized, oh my gosh, this is so prevalent. I wasn’t able to see it, even though you’ve said it multiple times. What bad thing am I doing to my kids by not allowing them to experience hurts and failures now?
Dr. Leman: Well, in a word you’re stifling their development. You’ve heard me use the term psychological muscles. Kids build psychological muscles and resiliency by facing things that aren’t fun to face. The bumps and bruises of life are going to come along, so don’t make them worse. Your kid needs that psychological vaccination that helps them minimize the flu that’s coming, or whatever. There’s a way of softening life. No parent gets up in the morning and says, “Oh, I sure hope my kid hurts today.” There’s not a kid on the planet that does it, but there’s all kinds of parents who what? Hurt their kids every day through words of discouragement or criticism. If a kid learns criticism, he learns to condemn other people, and then he turns that condemnation on himself and he doesn’t see himself as worthy.
Dr. Leman: So, we’re the captain of the ship. We have to remember, as the captain of the good ship family, you have to have a port of call. You have to know where you’re going, and you know where you’re going because of the values that you hold close in your life. That’s what the kids are going to catch. They’re going to catch your values. They’re going to hear your words. Words can make a difference, but do your actions match up to your words? You can’t fool kids.
Doug: So Andrea, you’re the resident mom here. You see that your kid is about to have a failure and get really hurt. Can you let it happen, or is there something within you that you just have to step in, have to tell them, have to push them? We have a kid taking an online college class right now. If you saw that they were going to fail on that, could you just let them fail?
Andrea: Well, it depends on what you’re asking me to do. I mean, if you’re asking me to do his homework, no, I’m not going to do his homework. If you’re asking me to check with him and make sure he’s getting stuff turned in on time, well yeah, there’s probably a tendency to follow up with him and push that a little. Well actually I realize-
Dr. Leman: How do you do that? How do you check on your kid keeping up with school?
Andrea: You ask them, when is it due? I mean, you’re constantly on them. You’re checking, hey, what’s on the calendar? Do you have a calendar? What’s the schedule? When is this due? That’s what you do.
Dr. Leman: Well, most families don’t have calendars.
Andrea: Oh, well.
Dr. Leman: So what I’m suggesting is rather than probe into your kid, pick up your cell phone, make a phone appointment with that teacher and say, “Hey, could I just ask you how my son is doing? Would you mind checking back with me if homework doesn’t appear on time or anything like that? Would that be too much to ask of you?” Build a relationship with significant people in your child’s life. You don’t always have to run through your child. Do it on the QT, so your kid doesn’t feel like you’re hanging over his shoulder, watching his every move. Actually you are, but you’re doing it so smartly, he doesn’t know it.
Doug: So, this I think is a big topic and then we’ll do the ebook, Andrea. Maybe it’s just because it’s just recently come up in our family, is that I am creating soft children who don’t know how to deal with hard things because life has been so easy for them. And now that they’re starting to go out there, I’m noticing like, well in certain areas they can deal with it, but in a ton of areas, we didn’t allow them to get “enough hurts” to build up those muscles to do it. So, what are we doing long-term to our children when they get to 25 and 30, if we’re not allowing them to have some of those failures and have to process it without us fixing it or just making it go away?
Dr. Leman: Well you’re creating in your child, to answer your question, recurrent thoughts of self-doubt, of I’m a failure, I’m never going to amount to anything. All those negative tapes will be playing in your kid’s head if that’s what you’ve done. And that’s why it’s important. We’ve often said on this podcast, a three-year old can help unload the dishwasher. So you start young. You start, young parents, by making sure your son or daughter does their due diligence in terms of taking care of your apartment or your home, doing such mundane things as cleaning bathrooms and picking up after themselves. And it ought to be just a routine part of growing up. If you want a responsible child, you give your child what? Hugs and kisses. No, you give them responsibility. This isn’t rocket science. Nothing we’re talking about today is terribly complicated. You don’t need a PhD in anything to figure this out, but you have to allow kids to fail, to explore the world around them.
Dr. Leman: Those kids are going to develop their own interests. Any parent that’s got four kids will tell you that, yeah, there’s some similarities between this one and this one, and this one gets along with this one more than those two get along with each other, but by and large, take a look at who they are and you created four very different people. So, that’s the way it is. I’m the guy that wrote The Birth Order Book, and I’m here to tell you the first born turns left and then the second born turns right. They’re going to be different, opposite.
Andrea: Just talking about this makes me think of a little example here in our house, where I had to let go, and I think that’s the key for us as parents, is we have to let go and let things fail and not go the way we wanted. This summer, our kids wanted to grow some squash and pumpkins in a different area, and I’ve always grown it by the garden and I’ve tended it and I’ve made sure I get my pie pumpkins and my squash for the winter. And they had cleared this other area and they were determined, we want to grow our pumpkins and squash. And I just had to bite my tongue. I thought, well, maybe I’ll plant a few in my garden so I know I have some, but I didn’t really have space. So I thought, okay, I’ll let them do this.
Andrea: I think I got three squash, and the pumpkins did all right, but it was a weedy mess full of blackberries and thistles. And I just kept telling myself all summer, you can buy these at the store this winter. But it was good because the kids got to have that failure and the hard part for me, and this is why I’m saying this story, is because for us as moms and parents, sometimes we have to let go and let them try things, knowing that it’s going down as a failure.
Dr. Leman: Yeah. Well, biting your tongue is hard to do as a mom especially. There are some differences in moms and dads. You women do live differently than us men. We see the same stimuli in different parts of our brains light up. So these differences that appear are opportunities for us just to realize that, hey, I treat my kids differently because they’re not the same. They have to learn. I don’t have to jump in and give them an answer. They can figure it out. And when they do figure it out, inside of them they’re saying, “Hey, I can do that.” A little two-year-old or three-year-old will say, “I’ll do it. Me. I want to do it. I want to do it.” Well, let them do it. And when they’re over their head and they’re doing something that a six-year-old should be doing and not a three-year-old, they’re going to fail.
Dr. Leman: And when they come to you with the object in hand for you to fix it or make it right, you make it right without editorial comment, and the kid learns in a very natural way that they have boundaries, that adults can be helpful, but you don’t have to overdo it. Oh, please let mommy help. I can fix it. You know, just wait. It’ll come naturally to you sooner or later.
Doug: Well, let me get the ebook opportunity for you guys. It’s Have a New Sex Life by Friday for 1.99 between now and March 31st of 2021, wherever ebooks are sold.
Andrea: Yep. And Shorty says her review, “My husband and I loved this book. It has helped us to solve communication issues by bringing us on the same page. Love Dr. Leman’s writing style and sense of humor.”
Doug: How could this book help with communication? It’s about sex.
Dr. Leman: Yeah. I wonder if I should have called that book, Have Sex by Friday. Oh, there goes that [inaudible] Leman mind again.
Doug: Go wherever ebooks are sold. And now, a no nonsense parenting moment with Dr. Kevin Leman.
Dr. Leman: You know, in today’s age of working parents, one of the questions I get asked a lot is, hey, at what age can I leave my eldest child in charge of the others while I run to the store or have a doctor’s appointment or whatever? Maturity’s and the interesting thing. It’s a slippery slope. But I think sometime between the ages of 10, 11, and 12 is a perfect time to delegate responsibility to a son or daughter. Some of you right now are gasping. Don’t gasp. Just make sure your son or daughter has a way of contacting you. Keep your cell phone on, and hopefully you won’t get the call. If you want to raise a responsible child, learn to grant responsibility early in their life. It works.
Andrea: So what we’re talking about today is that failure is not final. So what does that mean? Just going back to that saying, if it’s not final, what do I have to look forward to? What’s the hope for-
Dr. Leman: Here’s the thing Andrew, I’d like people to think about. Who is the person that had your back forever, no matter what? Who was the person in your life who loved you just the way you were? Now if you’d all put your fingers up as you’re listening to the podcast, if you look at your own hand, you’ll see you have two fingers up or three fingers up, in all probability. Yeah, some of you have four, some of you have five. Not many of you have more than five. Very, very few. What I’m getting at is that take a kid like Kevin Leman, who got thrown out of Cub Scouts, got thrown out of college, failed algebra so many times, failed Latin. Couldn’t get in college, was a janitor when he met his wife. And I would say that I’ve been pretty successful. I think most people would say, “That little fat guy’s done okay for himself.”
Dr. Leman: I failed. I failed everything. My elementary algebra final exam as a freshman was 22 on the final. I mean, I was dumb as a rock. I wasn’t doing anything. Well, what made the difference? The old Kenny Rogers song, She Believed in Me. When you have people who believe in you and have your back and encourage you in a loving way, there’s no stopping. And that’s why I say failure isn’t fatal. It certainly wasn’t in my life. I had failure written all over. And I’ve tried to encourage people. I love the underdog. I love to see people who shouldn’t make it in life. And when you look at those people’s lives, you’ll see those key people who had such great belief and optimism for your future surrounded with love. That’s the prescription for taking someone who failed and turning them into a winner.
Dr. Leman: In a spiritual sense for those who don’t know God the father, through his son, Jesus Christ, I mean, are you a failure? Eternally, you’re a failure? So there are spiritual things that … and certainly it was part of my life. I mean, I came to know the Lord when I was 21 years of age and I was brought to church, dragged to church, knew all those Bibles stories. And until I had a personal relationship with my maker, did my life change. And then God gave me motivation. I don’t think I gave myself motivation. I think that was a spiritual gift from God. He said, “You can do this.” And I remember getting my first really good grades in my life and looking at the report card and saying my name out loud to myself and like, yeah, that’s actually your report card. Wow. All A’s and one B. Wow.
Dr. Leman: We talk here on our podcasts about life in general. We try not to beat people over the head from a spiritual sense, but hey friend, God created the universe. He created you and me. There was a master designer. There’s a reason why our eyes are so complex, why our brain is the way it is, why that moon is just exactly in the right position, why our earth access is exactly at the right position. Move it one degree either way and we’re done. So to God be the glory. He is the creator. Now if you personally don’t believe in God, believe what you want. I’m not telling you what to believe, but I am sharing what I believe, and Doug and Andrea believe as well. I should have been a pastor maybe. Huh?
Doug: I don’t think so.
Andrea: I think you’re doing the right thing.
Doug: I think you went the right way, yeah. Well, we really hope that this helped all of you as you’re trying to deal with your kids’ failure and what should you do and what should you not do. We absolutely love being with you. We just think it’s great that you’re willing to hang out with us and add to your parenting toolbox so you can love those kiddos more and more.
Andrea: Have a great week.
Doug: We look forward to next time. Bye, bye.
Andrea: Bye.
]]>It’s time for another Ask Dr. Leman: “My kid’s tantrums disrupt the whole family.” Listen in to find out Dr. Leman’s response on this episode of Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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Doug: Today’s question is about a kid that is so loud in their tantrums that it disrupts the entire family. And the devious side of me would love to watch that. I mean, that kid must be so loud. But that’s the question that Tina asked today. “What do you do about tantrums that are so loud that we can’t function as a family?” And we get to hear Dr. Leman’s answer.
Hi, I’m Doug Terpening.
Andrea: I’m Andrea.
Doug: And I would love to be that loud, disruptive kid someday. That would be so much fun. But if this happens to be your first time with us, we are so glad that you’re here. And we want to let you know that this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or your child, please go seek a local professional for help.
Well, shall we hear Tina’s question? Here we go.
Tina: Dr. Leman, how can we handle a powerful child who is loud? His sheer volume disrupts the family life every day and we can’t make him be quiet?
Dr. Leman: Okay. Well, I love the question because it gives us a chance to review some things that every parent ought to know about kids’ behavior. First of all, my latest book is entitled Why Kids Misbehave and What to Do About It. If you noticed in Tina’s question, she’s already diagnosed her child as what? Do you remember? The word she used was powerful. So all kids start off in life as attention getters. And that attention can come in two forms. It can come positively, or it can come in negative form. But it’s still attention. Now when a kid gets discouraged, for whatever reason, they migrate, so to speak, to another level. In this case, they go from attention getting to power. So one of the ways that we know that a kid can quote, make you pay attention. Now, notice, she said that she knows we can’t make him be quiet. That’s true. I wrote the book, Making Children Mind Without Losing Yours. Well, can you really make children mind? No, you can’t make a child mind. But you can set up circumstances where a kid figures out, “I’m minding ahead to behave.”
So with that as a prelude, let’s talk about temper tantrums. And a term that we’ve used on this podcast, I like to use it because nobody ever uses the word. You don’t hear the word, it’s called purposive. It’s a psychological term that says your child’s behavior, namely throwing a temper tantrum, serves a purpose; them being extra loud, serves a purpose. Well, what’s the purpose of nature of that? Again, keep in mind, the powerful child says, “I only count when I dominate, when I win, when I control, when I’m the boss.” So that being said, “Okay, Leman, I got it. I got that little short mini instruction. My question is, and it goes to your book, what do I do about it?” Well, a hermit would never be a hermit and enjoy being a hermit unless he had a society to hermit from. Think about that for a moment.
So one of the things you need to do with this kid is you need to remove the audience. Or better yet, remove the child from the scene. And that’s a classic example that comes out of the book, Have a New Kid by Friday. So as soon as you remove the child from the scene, there’s no longer an audience which feeds the negative behavior. So she didn’t say how old the child was, I wish we had that information. But if the child is a little guy, I’d take him by the arm and I’d put them in their room and I’d close the door. And that child would stay in that room until they quiet down, until the explosion of emotions has come to a dead halt. Then I would open the door slowly. I always say slowly, because depending upon the age of the kid, he might be on the floor with their blankie clutched under their arm. You don’t want to rearrange their nose by opening that door too quickly. And just simply say, “Are you ready to join us now?” So that’s one thing.
Depending upon where you live, this is February, I know it’s winter, but February in Tucson is beautiful. No problem in putting a kid outside, removing them physically from the scene. So there are ways. And notice that lots of times these incidents happen when you’re in the car, on the interstate. “What do you do, Leman? Drop him off in the outside lane?” No. Notice how the powerful child knows the situations where he or she has you over the barrel and you are on the freeway and you’re a half hour from home. “What do you do then, old smart guy Leman?” Well, as soon as you pull in the driveway, you proceed. You take that child by the arm and you place them somewhere where they’re distant from the rest of us. Then on top of that, you apply some vitamin N, which is, “No.” So the very next thing that child asks for, and kids are always asking for things or favors, the answer is, “No. Mommy doesn’t feel like helping you right now. Mommy doesn’t feel like letting you go next door. Mommy doesn’t feel like getting you a glass of orange juice now.”
And so you have to show the child that you are very unhappy. Now keep in mind, I’m always telling parents that these kids actually want to please you. Now you’ve taken away their ability to please you because you’re telling them, “I’m upset with your behavior.” You’re giving them the psychological cold shoulder. “Well, isn’t that going to damage their psyche for life?” Lady, you’ve been reading the wrong person’s books for too long. No, you’re going to show them what I call reality discipline. And if you want to train up your child, you want your child to start going in a different direction, you read those books step by step, follow through, use action and very few words and you’re going to have a new kid by Friday on your hands. So for openers, that’s how I would view that situation, Doug and Andrea.
Doug: So purpose of behavior was one of the best phrases that we’ve got from you that has really helped us frame why our kids are doing that. So do you mind just giving us just a little bit more information on what that is?
Dr. Leman: Yeah. So in other words, you know that this kid is powerful, just like our lady who just asked that question, Tina. She knows that kid’s a powerful child. And so a conversation with a kid is, “You know, honey, I could be wrong on this…” Now notice I’m not saying, “I’m right and I got all the answers in my back pocket.” “… I might be wrong on this, but it seems to me your behavior is really telling us that you are in authority over us. Could that be right?” And the kid won’t know what to say to you, quite frankly. They’re not going to say, “Yes.” Number one. They’re going to stammer. But you’re beginning to reveal the psychological purpose of nature of the behavior. You’re taking the fun out of the kid being powerful. You’re taking the wind out of their sails.
You’re deescalating as you explain to a child that you know what’s going on here. “I think you see life as you only count when you dominate, when you control, when you win. Could I be right? Well, let me just give you a little teaching on that. If that’s how you go through life, I feel sorry for you. People aren’t going to like people who always want to win, who want to control.” And by the way, ladies, you have a boy like that, he makes a lousy husband for a girl someday. So you’re helping your future daughter-in-law by setting your young sons straight when they’re young, instead of letting them grow into adulthood thinking that he is king and everybody else around them is a serf.
So you talk psychologies to the kid, you’re using what I call psychological disclosure. You’re telling the kid that you know what’s going on. To the attention getter, “Seems to me, you’re saying you only count in life when you got everybody’s attention. Do you really think you can go through life like that, where you get everybody’s attention all the time? You don’t think people are going to be bored of you always getting the attention, nobody else gets any attention ever?” Those are the kind of questions you can ask a kid, which will, again, deflate their purpose of nature of their behavior. It’s all about self. And again, take a look where I’ve said it many times, parents today rear kids like they’re the what? Center of the universe. You want to set that on a different course, do some of the things we’re talking about right now, and you will cut a new path in life for your son or your daughter.
Doug: If you are somebody hearing this for the first time, this can sound super harsh. You’re going to sit your kid down and you’re going to say, “Hey, I got the game plan on you here.” So just to give you real life, we’ve done this a couple of times with our kids. We’ve actually sat down, not in anger, because it’s really not, once I’m calm and said, “It appears to us that this is what’s going on around here.” And that has been some of the most effective parenting I have ever done. And you only have to do it once, at most twice to kids and they way more respect you because of it. And the other thing that you say that I think you’ve said so many times and I just go like, “Oh yeah, yeah whatever.” But now I’m like, “Oh yeah, now that I have a daughter that’s marriable age, it’s like at some point we do all have to grow up and stop being so selfish.” So this is a great way just to call it like it is and not be it that way. And you’re not hurting your kid’s psyche. That’s what I’m trying to say. [crosstalk].
Dr. Leman: Yeah, I appreciate what you just said, Doug. But if you’re one of those people that really think it’s too harsh, as Doug just said, here’s a suggestion; just do what you’re doing. Do it for another month. And I guarantee you there’ll be no change in behavior and you’ll be just as frustrated 30 days from today. Okay? After that 30 days, you know what you’re probably going to do? You’re going to look up this podcast again and you’re going to listen to every word and you’re going to start implementing it, in a few couple of days you’re going to see a huge difference. You want to throw that kid a curve ball. I like to say, you want to pull the rug out and let the little buzzard tumble. Blindside the little sucker. Let them see that mom and dad is no longer your man or woman servant in the home. That they’re going to expect some action on you to pull your weight and give back to the family, et cetera. It works, folks.
Doug: And in our current environment, that sounds super harsh, super unloving and like, “My kid’s not going to attach to me.” Well at the last podcast you just said all five of your grown children are hanging out with you from Thanksgiving to Christmas. Our kids are all hanging out here at our house. And I got 21 year olds and 19 year olds that give me a hug every day. And I think I already said this once, my 21 year old came to me and said, “Dad, it’s been too long that you and I just got to hangout, and I just want to tell you what’s on my heart.” Like a hello? You get the opposite. You actually get to have great conversations with your kids.
Dr. Leman: Yeah, that sounds like something out of the… What’s the name of that channel that always has those-
Doug: Hallmark.
Dr. Leman: Hallmark Channel, yeah. It sounds like one of those Hallmark movies. But isn’t it great to have a kid come in and say, “You know, I need some daddy time or some mommy time.”?
Doug: Yeah.
Dr. Leman: Steve Covey, who has left this earth by the way, died a couple of years ago, he said something so profound. I’ve stole it from him and used it many times. “You start with the end in mind, parents.” Start with the end in mind. What kind of a kid do you want at age 18 or 21? Do you want a responsible child? Then give him or her lots of responsibility, et cetera. So that’s a good clue from Steve.
Doug: A lot of us as parents, when we’re brand new, we have no idea what we’re doing, which is why I’m doing this podcast for all of you to say, “Go read these books.” I don’t care which one you read, to be honest. But there are some that we could point you to and say Making Children Mind without Losing Yours, Have a New Kid by Friday, and Birth Order book, start there and you will be so blessed to have a framework on how to raise your kids. Okay, I’m going to do the ebook. Andrea’s pointing at it again. And then I have a question for you, one more question for you, Dr. Leman. The ebook today is Have a New Sex Life by Friday for a buck 99 between now and the end of March of 2021, wherever ebooks are sold. Andrea, do you have anything for us?
Andrea: I have a review from Amazon, no name. “We’re having to go back and correct our behavior. Great book for couples that can be open to discuss their relationship.”
Doug: Awesome. And the reason that I think this is a great book, one of my personal opinions is that if you screw up your marriage, it’s going to make parenting way harder. And all you single moms, I respect you so much that you’re doing it. So we’ll add to that parenting toolbox by helping you even with your marriage.
And now, a no nonsense parenting moment with Dr. Kevin Leman.
Dr. Leman: When a kid says somebody’s been mean, they referring to their teacher, I always chuckle and laugh; show me a mean teacher and I’ll show you a good teacher who demands structure and accomplishment from their students. But today’s kids are mean. Well, why are kids mean? Kids are mean because they don’t feel good about themselves. It’s their way of saying, “If I put somebody else down and I’m snarky and I make fun of them or whatever, somehow it’s going to make me feel better.” One of the things I’ve told our scholars in our school is, “Hey, when somebody really gets snarky with you, nasty with you, just look at him and say, ‘Wow, I didn’t realize you felt so bad about yourself.'” Parents, you could use the same line.
Doug: All right, Dr. Leman, I want to go back to what you said earlier, that this is purpose of behavior to get our attention. Is this a cry for, “I just don’t feel like I get any attention from you. I don’t get any good attention from you.” Or is this just raw selfishness that, “I want to be the center of the universe.”? Which one is it?
Dr. Leman: Well again, we’ve diagnosed the kid as a powerful kid. So apparently the attention getting attempt wasn’t satisfactory. And my guess would be that again, you said when we start out we don’t know what we’re doing as parents. Nothing could be truer than what you said, Doug. And what we try to do is over-correct, hover over a child, make too many decisions for them. The kid feels that pressure. They don’t like it. So they seek attention. But what they’re getting is negative attention because the parent’s been too involved in the kid’s life. So the kid then migrates to negative attention and from negative attention, then they just move forward into powerful behavior because they resent the parent being too controlling.
So here’s the irony. The parent is too controlling when the kid is just starting out in life. And what problem develops just a couple of years later is the kid is what? His mantra in life is, “I only count in life when I dominate, when I win, when I control.” You see the connection there?
Doug: Yeah.
Dr. Leman: So it sort of flows together. And then, you take kids who feel like life has been hurtful. And of course, a lot of kids have had very hurtful situations. They feel hurt by life. Then their mantra becomes, “I only count in life when I strike out at other people.” And see in a democratic society, if you have the right to put me down and hurt me, then I have the right to strike out and hurt other people. And I just want people to see the continuity there, how it just flows together. As the situation gets worse, you can predict worst behavior in the kid. But notice the similarity between the parent being too controlling and the kid ending up a powerful child. You have taught, parent. You’ve taught the kid how to be a controlling domineering kid, because you were too overpowering as a parent. You didn’t let that kid learn through logical consequences, through life. You were there hovering over them, catching them before they fell. I mean, sometimes kids need to fall.
Andrea: What age does that start at? Are you talking at two, we start letting them feel their consequences?
Dr. Leman: I’m going to give you an answer that’s going to surprise people, Andrea. It starts in the first couple of weeks of a child’s life.
Andrea: Oh.
Dr. Leman: It means when you leave the baby with a babysitter and you go out for an evening by yourself. It starts with putting some distance between your child and yourself. You take care of your marriage first. Your marriage comes first, the kids comes in second. That’s hard to do as a young mom because these kids are totally dependent upon you. But you’ve got to cut yourself some slack or you’re going to end up with a husband who feels like he’s way out in left field and he feels like he’s playing second fiddle to the children every day of his life. And that creates bitterness and angry feelings. And then the cheap shots start coming and you two become more distant. The kid feels the dissonance between you and your husband and things slowly unravel into rebellion at the adult level and the kid level. So that’s why I said I think that answer would surprise you.
Andrea: Yeah.
Dr. Leman: It really does start with a commitment to be a couple, to realize the great place kids have in your home, a rightful place, but you need to assume that position of authority in the family or your kids are going to pay for it and so will you.
Doug: To wrap this up, some of these concepts today sounds so out of left field with where we currently talk about raising kids. And yet the phrase I think you often say is, “If you want a different outcome, you have to act differently than everybody else around you.” That’s not how you say it, you say it much more eloquently. And it is proof that you do have to act differently to get a different result from your kids. And I’m telling you it’s so worth it. And the sooner you start this, the easier it gets. Our teenage years were the best years ever of parenting. So my encouragement, again, it’s why I’m doing this, is please go read the books for yourself, so that you have the confidence that you can do this and you can relax in your parenting and you’re not always on edge and you’re not having to try and figure out… It’s so much easier. And honestly, the truth is, by about age five, we were done raising our kids on the discipline side, and then it was just fun from there to be honest.
Okay, enough. Please go buy the books for your sake, not for ours. Doesn’t help Andrea and I one iota. So please go do it. All right, Tina, thank you for the question. As always, you can go to birthorderguide.com/podcastquestion, and click there and leave your question. And we would love to answer it for you. Well we look forward to adding to your parenting toolbox so that you can love those kids a whole, whole bunch.
Andrea: Thanks, Tina. And thank you, Dr. Leman. Have a great week.
Doug: Have a great day. Bye-bye.
Andrea: Bye-bye.
]]>Are manners still important in this day and age? Dr. Leman discusses the importance of etiquette in your kid’s behavior.
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Doug: Johnny, put the napkin on your lap. No. No. Don’t stand on the chair. No, no, no, no. No, no, no. We don’t use our hands. We use our fork and our knife. Are you ever going to learn any manners around here? That’s the question we get to ask Dr. Leman, should we teach our kids manners? Is it a good idea? And if so, how do we do it, and when do we start? Hi, I’m Doug Terpening.
Andrea: And I’m Andrea.
Doug: And I’m the one that has no manners at the table, and Andrea has perfect manners at the table. But if this is your first time with us, we’re so glad that you’re here. Want to let you know that this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or your child, please go seek a local professional for help. So Dr. Leman, in your house, who has more manners? Is it you or is it Mrs. Uppington?
Dr. Leman: Oh, Mrs. Uppington by a long shot. She’s always one of those people that says, “Thank you for asking.” And she’s a gift giver, so she gives gifts, physical gifts to people all the time, but she gives verbal gifts to people. She is always good at finding the best in people and commenting on that. I’m much more quiet than she is, believe it or not. In fact, most people who have a great sense of humor tend to be quiet. Comedians, they tell us, tend to be quiet. When the light goes on in a television studio or the microphone is switched on, it’s like all of a sudden I become a little different type of person.
But teaching kids manners is important. In fact, all of our five kids have been home since before Thanksgiving. So with the pandemic, we have adult children who are working at home, and they have come from Chicago and from Los Angeles area here to Tucson where we live most of the year, and it’s a joy to have all five kids home. Well, we’ve got two grandchildren that are living under our roof with us, they’re four year old twins. And the other day asked little Olive, one of the four year olds, she wanted something and she said, “No, thank you, grandpa.” And I said to her, I said, “Wow, you know how to say, ‘No, thank you,’ that tells me that you’re really getting to be a big girl.” That was my exact counter to her. It’s really important that we try to reinforce.
Keep in mind, and I’ve said this for years, that kids are always taking emotional, spiritual, behavioral notes from us. So to answer the question, how do you teach kids manners? You utilize manners in your talk, in your way of speaking to other people, and they catch the manners. Now for you young parents, if you want to have some fun, Doug had mentioned in the introduction about, “Use your fork, not your hands.” A lot of the manners that we teach kids are manners that we want them to learn regarding table manners. And one of the things we did with our kids, of course, that was years ago, we played the penny game. Now I call it the quarter game, and you start dinner by giving everybody four quarters. So if you have three kids, you’re out $3 in quarters right there. But mom gets a stack of quarters and so does dad. And it’s sort of a fun thing to do during dinner, and the object is to catch somebody not using good manners.
And if you catch somebody reaching across the table, not using their napkin, whatever, you get to take a quarter off their stack and put it on yours. At the end of dinner, theoretically, you had three kids, that’s three, four, five. Somebody could make a few bucks on dinner. It’s just a fun way of sort of reminding. And when our kids were little, I would be the buffoon. I would be the one who would chew with my mouth open and somebody would point, “Daddy, you’re chewing with your mouth open. I get a quarter.” We made it a fun game. But I have to tell you, our kids are very polite. I have very thoughtful, polite kids. You have to train kids up, you have to train them. And when they’re young is the best time to train them, not when they’re 16 and thinking about going off to college in a couple of years.
Andrea: So you’ve mentioned that it’s important to teach our kids manners, and maybe not just table manners. Why would you say it’s important?
Dr. Leman: Well, I think the social graces impress other people. There’s been so many times. I remember a Thanksgiving where we’re all around the table, and my nine year old grandson at the time, he’s now 17, got up and he said, “I want to say something.” And he went around the entire table, there must’ve been, I’m guessing, at least 12 people around that table. And he put his hands on everyone’s shoulder one at a time and said why he was thankful for that person. And every one of those explanations were very different from the others. They were very personal. I remember thinking, “Holy crow, what a great job my son-in-law Dennis and their mom, Chrissy has done with these kids.” They’ve got two kids.
I’m the guy that wrote all the books. I’m just sitting at the end of the table and I’m just saying, “Wow, this is really something.” For a kid that had that kind of depth unprompted by the adults. Lots of times parents set kids up to do stuff like that, which is stupid, but when it comes from the heart and the kid wants to do that, you sort of stand back. So I think it’s important to teach kids manners. When that young man meets that young lady he likes in her home and is introduced to the father, who’s not real high on you going out with his daughter to begin with, and you’re showing great manners and respect in that conversation, trust me, your stock just went up in that father’s eyes. When you’re in the business world, it’s absolutely necessary to show good manners at all times.
Doug: So what manners are we talking about? Are we talking about table manner?
Dr. Leman: All kinds of manners. Opening doors for people, thanking them for their question. “Thanks for your interest. I’m glad to share that with you.” I talked yesterday in a professional development meeting about the power of the handwritten note, teaching kids to write thank-you notes to aunts and uncles and grandmas for gifts and things is important, but in our professional world, at Leman Academy of Excellence, I’m always telling our teachers, “Write the personal note to the parent.” The personal note, I got a note from a lady the other day and she said, “Dr. Leman, you cannot imagine how your short note to me last week just brightened my day.” And she said, “A guy as busy as you are, and that you took the time to respond to me in the way you did really encouraged me. Thank you. And by the way, I love working here at Leman.”
So it’s a part of your life, taking the time. I tell our teachers, we have a scholar that’s not in school for two or three days, what do you suppose my suggestion is? I’m going to let you take a guess at this. What’s my suggestion? You’ve got a scholar, he hasn’t been in school in three days. What do you think that I would tell a teacher to do?
Doug: It’s the parents issue, and they’ve got to get the kids to school. [inaudible].
Andrea: I was going to go with give a call, but …
Dr. Leman: And that’s exactly right. Again, we revisit this topic a lot. Who is the smarter, Doug or Andrea? Ka-ching. Andrea just won the contest. Yeah. You pick up the phone and you call home. What does that say? I think it says to the parent, “Hey, that school and that teacher, Ms. So-and-so, they really care about us and our family.” I asked the question yesterday in the PD, professional development, I said, “I want to see a show of fingers about who believed in you as a kid. Why are you here? Why are you a successful teacher today? Why are you the successful person you are today? Who had your back? Who believed in you even if there wasn’t reason to believe in you? I want to see a show of hands. Put them up.” Show of fingers, actually.
I said, “I know what the average is because I’ve asked this question hundreds of times.” And of course, the average is about three. You’ll see some with one, some with two, some with three. Once in a while you’ll see a four or a five, but usually it’s two or three. And I said, “What was it about that person that made you just say that? What are the traits that person had?” And you will see sincerity, authenticity, believing in you, all those things. And see, this is all part, I think, of teaching kids manners because you’re getting the attention off yourself and you’re getting onto other people who have been kind to you. Who’ve done thoughtful things. And it’s a two-way street. They just feed each other.
So teaching kids how to meet people. You’ve got a little one, four years old, and you want him to meet Mrs. Johnson and the kid hides behind your skirt or your dress. Your legs. How do you deal with that? That shy little kid obviously isn’t meeting people well, probably hasn’t had a lot of confidence in doing so. And do you talk with them then? Do you embarrass them in front of Mrs. Johnson to try to teach him a manner? No, you talk with him afterward. Lots of times parents think that correction is got to be immediate, and nothing could be further from the truth, because those kinds of corrections are best after the fact when you’re in the car and you’re driving home from that event.
Andrea: As you were talking, I was thinking how expressing manners is a form of selflessness, and-
Dr. Leman: Yes.
Andrea: … teaching our kids to be selfless rather than selfish.
Dr. Leman: Yeah.
Andrea: Because I could take it to the table. I’m reaching across because I want the butter right now, or I can wait. Or I can wait and open the door for someone or I can take the smaller cookie. All of those are practice at being selfless and thinking about other people.
Dr. Leman: I’m going to tell you this … Oh, go ahead.
Andrea: Oh, I was going to say down to writing those thank-you notes and showing gratitude.
Dr. Leman: Yeah. Did I ever tell you the story about one of the reasons why I got thrown out of Cub Scouts?
Andrea: I think we have a story coming.
Doug: I don’t think so.
Dr. Leman: Well, Mrs. Marschand, who was the den mother, they’d always bring a treat. A snack. You had your meeting, but you always had to feed the little Cub Scouts. So she brings out this big platter of cookies, okay? Now I ask you, how did I know that that platter was her great-grandmother’s favorite china platter? I didn’t know that. Nobody said to me, “That’s a china platter that’s got great sentimental and dollar value to it.” So I see the cookies. Now, Andrea just said, “Take the smaller cookie.” I did a roundhouse. I sort of wallop the plate as I grabbed a couple cookies and I smashed that plate in quarters.
Now, was I polite kid? Not very much. Not very often. And that’s one of the reasons why I got thrown out of Cub Scouts. Not many people and say, “At age 11, I was kicked out of Cub Scouts,” but I was. But I look back now and I think, “You little jerk. Somebody should’ve taken you out back and beaten you with a stick.”
Doug: Well, I’m glad to see that you have many talents, and one of them is getting kicked out of Boy Scouts. That’s impressive. That really is impressive, actually. Not many people I know can say-
Dr. Leman: My wife and I, yeah, we got kicked out of Bible study too, that’s a good one.
Doug: Wow, you’ve-
Andrea: With Sandy? Oh, poor Sandy.
Doug: Moving on, I have a question for you, but first, I want to make sure I get the eBook in. Planet Middle School is available now and until the end of February of 2021 for $1.99. And again, we’ve asked the publisher to do this for you, believe it or not, so that you get a chance to get these books when they’re super cheap. And for $1.99, it’s amazing. And Andrea, you have something?
Andrea: I do. I have another review on this book by Purple Cat.
Doug: That’s fun.
Andrea: “Absolutely brilliant book, totally down to Earth, realistic, up-to-date with current times, and helpful with insights and suggestions.”
Doug: That is true. It’s one of the newer books that he’s put out.
Dr. Leman: Yeah. A lot of people use it as a small group study. And my guess is that Purple Cat probably came from Manhattan, Kansas, where Kansas State University is located. They are the Wildcats, and I think their mantra is, “Purple pride,” so that’s probably somebody from there. But let me suggest to you, if you have a small group of people and you’re studying that book, download it for $1.99, now y’all have it in front of you. And then I have a six-part video series called Have a New Kid by Friday, and use that video series in conjunction with Planet Middle School, and you’ve got a dynamite small group right there. That’s a life-changer.
The reviews on Planet Middle School are basically what we just heard from Andrea. People really love that book. And it’s a time where all of a sudden this alien shows up at your home, your kid does all these changes before your eyes and you don’t know what hit you, and that little book is a stabilizing force for families. But don’t miss an opportunity to get that video series. You get that at DrLeman.com, Dr. Leman, L-E-M-A-N, it’s $25, well worth it, and you can use that as your focal point as you use it in that small group study, if that’s of interest to you. People really do love that. Thanks.
Doug: Great. So get it between now, not that one, but the eBook, between now and the end of February. And now, a no-nonsense parenting moment with Dr. Kevin Leman.
Dr. Leman: Well, we’ve all done it, parents. Haven’t you said to your son or daughter, “Did you take your brother’s bicycle?” “Did you swipe his candy bar?” Well, you saw him get on the bicycle and take off. You saw him take the candy and stick it in his pocket. Why would you ask a kid if he did it? I’m not going to say we’ve all done it from time to time, but doesn’t it make more sense to say something to your son or daughter like, “Honey, I see you took your brother’s candy. Do you want to talk about it?” “No.” “Well, I do want to talk about it.”
Just use a direct approach with kids. It saves you from setting your kid up to lie. So if you’ve seen your son or daughter do something, just state the fact that you saw it, and then be ready to talk turkey to your son or daughter about their theft-like tendencies.
Doug: So Dr. Leman, you already used the example of hiding the kid behind the skirt when you want them to come say hi. The question I had is, what about the thank-you statement? So somebody gives your kid something and you’re like, “Okay, Johnny. Tell Mrs. So-and-so thank you.” Do you do that, or how do you teach your kids to say thank you?
Dr. Leman: You don’t prompt the kid to say thank you. You don’t say, “What do you say to Mrs. Springer?” That makes no sense whatsoever. What makes sense is, you have the gift. You’re in the car and the kid is about to open it, and you take possession of the gift. You put it in the backseat. You put it on the floor where that child doesn’t have access to it. And you talk about how disappointed you were that your son or daughter didn’t thank Mrs. So-and-so. And that child does not get to open that gift. And this goes off the principle you find in Have a New Kid by Friday, and that is B doesn’t start until A gets completed. Think about how profoundly simple that statement is. B doesn’t start until A gets completed.
So when the child calls her on the phone, when the child writes the note and it’s in the mail, then and only then does that child, who would love to know what’s underneath that gift wrap, only then do they get to open that up. Now that’s training. That’s reality discipline. That’s teaching a child. And you’re not embarrassing your child, by the way. So those are a couple ideas. Parents, I have said it for years. You have all the gold in your back pocket. Your kid wouldn’t have socks or underwear on if you didn’t buy it for them, so you have full authority over your children, and you have to stand up. Seize that authority, use that authority in the right way, and it’s going to make child rearing a lot easier in your home.
Doug: I really like that way better than telling the kid, “Say thank you to so-and-so,” and all of that. Andrea is the card writer in our family, and she’s passed it on to, for sure our second child who writes cards, but it’s been more by example. You had all our kids sign thank-you cards to grandparents when they were younger, didn’t you?
Andrea: Mm-hmm (affirmative). We’ve done cards like that, but I was going to say earlier that you are really great at writing notes to people, and it’s not necessarily a thank-you note, but especially in your work, writing handwritten notes to people.
Dr. Leman: Well, wait a minute. Let’s tell people what Dougy-boy does for a living because this fits in real good.
Doug: Well, I help one of the small non-profits. I’m executive director of it. Is that what you mean? And I help-
Dr. Leman: Yeah. Yeah.
Doug: … especially in the area of raising funds and getting the staff motivated and clear. And it is true. The other thing about manners that kind of plays into that you bring work in is, it’s just being nice to people. And the fun part about my job is I just get to be nice to people. And if you do that, I guess it is just being selfless, isn’t it? Huh, interesting.
Andrea: Well, it is. And I think as we practice it before our kids’ eyes, they’re going to see. If you’re teaching selflessness, then hopefully those manners will come out naturally.
Doug: But you know, Dr. Leman, something you said at the beginning really does stick in this whole is thing, is if we model it, our kids will pick it up. And if we don’t model it. So like at the table, Andrea is the proper eater, I’m the sloppy one. Half our kids follow me, half follow her. We used to do this thing where I was tired of all the slouching at the table, so if you slouched at the table, you had to stand up eating your food the rest of the time and the plate had to stay on the table. So one day, one of the kids turned and said, “Well, doesn’t it apply to you, dad?” And I was like, “Yeah.” They nailed me so much. I stood at the table so much because I’m a sloucher. Do you remember that, Andrea?
Andrea: Yes I do.
Doug: And our kids loved it.
Dr. Leman: That’s why kids love the quarter game, they love to catch daddy. Daddy could be the buffoon. It’s a fun way to teach them. But basically what we’re saying is, the modeling that you do, parents, and if you try to push this manner thing too hard, it’ll backfire right in your face. They’ll go out of their way to be miserable around you.
Andrea: Our kids, with their friends, I’m just remembering this now, I’ve got a song in my head. When they’re eating a picnic with a bunch of friends or we’d have a group over, there’s a little song about putting your napkin in your lap, and if they caught somebody without the napkin in their lap, they’d start singing this song, “Round the table you must go. You must go,” and they’d have the kid have to run around the table and get back in their seat while they sang a song about them not putting their napkin on their lap. So anyways, just a funny little-
Doug: Nothing like social embarrassment to get people to conform, baby. Right there.
Andrea: Of course, with a group of friends they might have done it on purpose because it became a game.
Doug: True. True. Well, we hope this helps all you parents who are wondering about how much should you do for manners or not, and it is nice now to have big kids. You’re right, Dr. Leman, you’ve got to start young because if you don’t, it doesn’t happen later. So, appreciate the question and answers and that we get to add your parenting toolbox, that you can love those kids more and more, and manners actually do play a part in that. So thanks for being with us today. It’s a joy to be with you.
Andrea: Have a great week.
Doug: Take care.
Andrea: Bye-bye.
Doug: Bye-bye. (silence)
]]>It’s time for another Ask Dr. Leman: “How do I help my 20-year-old college student make friends?” Listen in to find out Dr. Leman’s response on this episode of Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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Doug: Do you worry about your kids not having friends when they’re young? What about when they’re older? That’s the question Raymond asked, “How do I help my older kids make sure that they have friends?”
Hi, I’m Doug Terpening.
Andrea: I’m Andrea.
Doug: And I’m really glad that you’re my friend. Well, you’re my wife. You’re more than just my friend, aren’t you> but okay. Moving on.
Andrea: It’s good to be friends too.
Doug: It’s good to be friends too. We are so glad that you are with us today. If this happens to be your first time with us, I want to let you know this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or your child, please go seek a local professional for help.
Well, today we get a question from Raymond and he’s asking about how do I help my kids have friends. Let’s jump right in.
Raymond: Hey, Dr. Leman, this is Ray. My daughter, Mia is 20 years old. She’s in college. She goes to a local university. She lives at home. She’ll be a sophomore next year. She’s a wonderful daughter. My concern for her is her just lack of friends. She has ADD. She’s the firstborn, my wife and I are both firstborns. Is there anything that you would recommend that I do or not do to try to help my daughter make friends or be more socialized? Thank you so much. Bye-bye.
Dr. Leman: Well, I love the question, Ray, and I have to sell you this. I love the way you asked the question. You sound like a concerned dad, but most people who would call in a question about how do I get my adult child to get friends, how do I say this as politely as I can? Might sound a little wacky themselves, okay. You don’t sound anything like that. You sound like just straight up dad, you’re asking a question and I love the way you asked it. Can you tell me some things I could do or not do? Okay. That’s a great way to ask a question because chances are, your sophomore in college, firstborn, probably perfectionistic. She’s probably a pretty introspective person. Now you haven’t said that, but I’m guessing. But I’m guessing that’s how she has been basically all of her life. She’s cautious.
The word picture I’d like to give you is it’s not February. It’s the middle of July and she is in the lake and she’s stepping forward just a little bit at a time because she wants to know the drop-off is in that lake, where all of a sudden it gets deep. My guess is that that’s how she goes through life. She’s extra cautious. So she’s not one that reaches out. So since she’s not self-initiating when it comes to friendships, my guess is that you’re very correct. She doesn’t have friends. Very, very few friends. She doesn’t let people into her heart, soul and mind very easily. So if someone were going to be friends with her, they would have to approach her rather carefully because I’m sure she has the ability to cut off intimate conversations with people. That’s probably, Ray, who she is, okay.
Which means she’s probably studious. She’ll probably go into a profession where she works by herself. I’ll never forget the engineer that I worked with years ago behind closed doors in my private practice. And he said something I’ll never forget. He was a firstborn introverted, very capable guy, very capable engineer. And he said, “If they would just keep people away from me, I would be absolutely happy.” There are people like that. It’s just who they are. I was called into a staffing years ago for a little kid. They thought all kinds of things was wrong with the kid because everything the kid did, he did slowly. And I told my daughter, my youngest daughter, the other day at dinner, we’re all through dinner and she’s hardly got through, I would say an eighth of her dinner plate. She’s always been that way. She’s now 28 years old. Once in a while, I refer to her as Little Pokey.
And in that staffing, after all these people sat around and gave all these theoretical guesses about what’s wrong with this kid. I said, “I have a diagnosis for you. This kid is pokey.” They’re pokey in the morning. They’re pokey at noon, they’re pokey in the evening. And in fact that same daughter that I just referenced, 28 years old when she was four, five, six, seven years of age at Christmas time, it was just sort of in many ways, the highlight of entertainment for us because when she opened a package and you know how most kids open packages, she would do so by just very carefully separating the tape from the gift wrap. And it took her a minute just to open up the package. And we just all just of chuckle and laugh and watch her. She was demure as a kid. She was very particular how she did things.
Well today, what is she? She’s a toy designer. She deals with little minute parts and pieces and she creates them. And she’s very, very good at what she does. She just got a major promotion. She’s got three things in Disneyland, the three different Disneylands here in the States and one in Tokyo. So very creative person. So, Ray, I really think what you got is a lovely daughter who is sort of a loner. And sometimes we associate loners with people who are responsible for mass shootings or suicides or whatever. It’s got a lot of bad handles on it. Just from the way you asked your question, I’m guessing that’s not what we’re talking about. We’re talking about a kid who is just sort of a private person, one step at a time. And I guess what I’m saying, Ray, in summation is if that were my daughter, I would just enjoy my daughter for who she is. I wouldn’t worry about her friendships. They will come sooner or later. It’s probably going to be later.
Doug: So the question that still I have is, if she has no friends that’s all right?
Dr. Leman: Well, who chooses to have friends? The obvious answer is she does. So for whatever reason, she doesn’t like closeness. Is there a reason for that in her life? Maybe. Maybe it’s something that Ray doesn’t know as her father, maybe it’s a deep, dark secret. But if the kid is doing well in school, isn’t a problem to mom and dad, you didn’t hear anything about, “Well, we can’t get her to do this or that. And she doesn’t [inaudible].” We didn’t hear any of that. We heard a very positive quite frankly, description of his daughter. So it’s one of those questions where, you’re tempted to come up with all kinds of conjectures over our podcast about what’s going on in this kid’s life. I’m just saying she’s one of those, like my daughter who’s pokey. She’s still pokey. She was pokey when she was little. And I think that’s how Rays daughter sees life. Very cautiously.
Doug: How do you know when it’s a problem that my kids don’t have any friends that they’ve isolated themselves too much or whatever? What’s the marker for that one?
Dr. Leman: You’re getting calls from school. You’re getting other people’s observations about your daughter that’s sending people red flags. Sometimes we don’t see our own kids very accurately. So if there’s a teacher, someone you respect, maybe that your daughter’s in the chorus group at college or in high school, and the music director calls you and he’s concerned about her for whatever reason, but you get two or three different people saying, “We’re concerned about your daughter.” Then I would look a little bit more closely. Then I might suggest to her, “Honey, you ever felt like it’d be profitable for you to sit down and talk with a counselor just about life in general?” I might go that way if I had other pieces of information that seemed to say, “Hey, there’s something going on here,” but we have no indication of that from Ray’s question.
Andrea: What if she was saying to her dad, and I know this isn’t in the question, so it probably isn’t the case, but what if she was saying to her dad, “I have no friends. I’m …” she was bemoaning the fact that she really wanted friends and didn’t have any friends.
Dr. Leman: Okay. That’s that’s fair game. Then we’d talk about how do you develop friendships? And then you would talk about initiating conversations with people. She’s at school, she’s in the student union, she sees another student sitting by herself or himself at a table. I say, “Honey, let me give you just a little clue. You go up to that table and say, ‘Would you mind if I sat here at the table?’ And you sit down and you introduce yourself, ‘Hi, my name’s Nancy.'” Well, my names … And the conversation is either going to take off or it’s going to die, but you have to be able to help a child see that there’s ways that you initiate. Friends just don’t fly in your door. They just don’t come out of the water faucet. You have to initiate. And then you have to show an interest about what that person’s all about.
“Hey, I’d love to know more about you. Where’d you grow up? Do you have a family, brother or sister?” And so you have to be an inquiring mind. Everybody, most people, I shouldn’t say everybody because some people really don’t like talking about themselves, but most people are interested in talking about what they’re interested in life. So you try to get a child to think about how do you develop friendships? And you’re right. A lot of kids really crave friendships, but they don’t know how to proceed. You’ll see a young kid sometimes who will be a pain in the butt to put it bluntly with other children and what he or she is really saying is, “I want to be in the group. I want to have fun. I want to be a friend. I want to be included, but I don’t know how to do that. So I’m going to get attention from you in a negative way.” You see that a lot with young children. So anyway, those are my thoughts on it.
A pediatrician told me something once I never forgot. He said, “Some people when they hear hoofbeats, they think zebras are coming.” The best guess is if you hear noises that resemble a horse coming your way, it’s probably a horse, isn’t it? What I’m saying is sometimes people stretch to find something wrong with a child’s personality, with their being. In this case I think if we search that way, we’re trying to fabricate something for our own satisfaction.
Andrea: The dad also asked, what should he not do in this case? What advice would you have for him in that scenario?
Dr. Leman: Well, I think we sort of answered that in that he shouldn’t do anything. He should just respect his daughter for who she is. See, dad probably has a lot of friends. Ray probably has a lot of friends and he values friendships and he sees his daughter not having friends. So he’s saying, “Wait, what’s going on here?” I was doing a professional development yesterday at one of our schools. And I made the point that to have to have a relationship, you don’t have to be clones of each other. In fact, good relationships are usually spawned with people who are very different. And I cited my wife and I. We’re very different people. And yet we’ve had a great relationship for years.
Doug: So Dr. Leman, I don’t usually disagree with you on stuff, but on this one, I think I do have to disagree with you on. If you sat down next to somebody and wanted to get to know them and said, “Hi, I’m Nancy.” I don’t think that they would find that appealing. I think they would say, “Aren’t you Kevin Leman?” And they would say, “I think this guy is being duplicitous.” I’m just giving you a hint the next time you want to try and make friends. I think I’d go with your name, Kevin Leman and not Nancy. Okay. Just take that for what it’s worth.
Dr. Leman: So, friends, this is Doug Terpening’s attempt for humor. You got me laughing, Doug. Oh gosh. He’s so funny. Doug is the one that keeps us on track if you’ve noticed, okay. When I go too far, one way or another, he has this wonderful way of bringing us back to where we need to be. Oh, he’s the best.
Doug: And this is when you and Andrea get to do your little fist pump. Yeah, we’re the smartest ones in the group we tolerate Doug. Okay. Okay. Moving on. So the ebook promotion is the great one. It’s Planet Middle School for a buck 99, between now and the end of February of 2021, wherever eBooks are sold. And Andrea, you have Amazon thing?
Andrea: Yeah, Sarah says “Fantastic way to parent adolescents with love and humor without losing boundaries and your mind. Love this book.”
Doug: So wherever you buy eBooks, and if you’re worried about your kid’s friends, this is a great book. And now a no nonsense moment with Dr. Kevin Leman.
Dr. Leman: I get asked all kinds of questions about what age do you do this? At what age do you do that? Hey, parents, it’s not a matter of anos, for our Spanish speakers you know what that means. It means years. It’s really about maturity. Now my question is, do you give your son or daughter opportunity to grow, to make decisions, to learn? Is failure acceptable in your home? If that’s true, I got news for you. Your kids are going to mature. They’re going to realize that life is not built around them and that other people count in life. So parents take it easy. Take a big breath. Life is going to be perfect. In our seven Leman schools, I have a sign, Leman Academy of Excellence where learning is fun. Keep a fun, positive environment in your home, and everybody’s going to feel better about themselves and other people.
Doug: So Dr. Leman, a question for you. If I have an adolescent who was not super energetic, not super outgoing, but kind of medium, and then gets a little bit more pokey or feels more isolated, how do I know when it’s just adolescents trying to figure out life and how do I know when it’s something that I need to jump in and ask about?
Dr. Leman: Well, you don’t know, unless there’s a lot of … Let’s start with physical changes. All of a sudden your kid’s way of dress is drastically different. All of a sudden your kid who did relatively well in school, the grades have dropped right off the shelf, okay. The friends that your son or daughter had have disappeared. You get three or four of those things going on and you probably got something going on in that kid’s head that probably needs some attention from a professional. So again, usually Doug and Andrea, it’s not just one thing that should get a parent concern. But when you see a bunch of things coming together, that’s when you have some concern as a parent and should follow through. Now trying to get a kid help, trying to get a kid to see a professional. That’s not easy either. So you got to be careful how you walk that line. But again, I’m looking for three or four things the fall in line that say, “Hey, there’s a problem here in River City.”
Doug: And the other thing I’ve heard you say that actually has been proven up pretty well, is that we have that uh-oh meter inside our gut or chest or somewhere in there and that when it goes off, that’s what you want to just ask the kid, right?
Dr. Leman: Exactly.
Doug: Look at that. I could do this. We don’t even need Dr. Leman anymore, Andrea. I’ll just take over. What do we?
Dr. Leman: Andrea, from the beginning of this podcast, I’ve been dying to ask this question.
Andrea: Uh oh.
Dr. Leman: What is the dumbest thing Mr. Terpening, Mr. Doug himself, has done in all your years of marriage? The dumbest thing he’s ever done.
Andrea: I don’t think I should answer that question.
Dr. Leman: Would that get you in trouble?
Andrea: No-
Doug: I want to hear.
Dr. Leman: Would you prefer another question?
Andrea: If Doug actually wants to hear and he wants all of his listeners to hear.
Doug: Yeah, I don’t mind. We already know I’m the dumbest one in the podcast so it’s like [inaudible]
Andrea: This actually happened just a few weeks ago.
Dr. Leman: Now, is this something that ended up with a fight?
Andrea: No, no. I’ve learned to keep my mouth shut and to … Mr. Terpening is always right.
Doug: That’s not-
Dr. Leman: So wait a minute. So you follow my advice. When I say ladies, “When your husband says something really stupid and dumb, you can just look at him and you can be thinking you’re an idiot, but don’t say you’re an idiot. Just sort of button it up.” Is that what you’re telling me?
Andrea: I realized after the fact what had happened, so there was nothing I could do to change it, right? So Doug’s asking if this is the dumbest thing, it’s the dumbest thing that comes to mind right now. We’ll say it that way. Okay. So the neighbor has a nice Kubota with a sprayer on the back. So you can spray your weeds. When you have more than just a little yard and you’ve got fields and barns and stuff, and you have lots of blackberries popping up, it’s really handy. So we borrowed this Kubota with, he had some leftover spray for the blackberries.
So we were running around, shooting the blackberries and we ran out and we thought, “Well, let’s get ours out.” So I was the driver of the little Kubota and he was the sprayer. So he ran in to the shed and he grabbed a jug of spray, of chemical to kill blackberries and put it in, loaded it up. We went around for like 45 minutes. A couple of weeks later, we started to notice all the grass on our play field is dying. It wasn’t blackberry spray. It was Roundup. So we killed, basically killed our lawn. And yeah, I’ve kept my mouth shut on that one, but since you invited it. [crosstalk].
If you wonder why we have stripes going up and down our play field where all the teenagers of the area would come and play Frisbee all summer, that’s why.
Dr. Leman: I got to ask you a question about that number, why would you kill an innocent blackberry?
Andrea: Oh, my word. You don’t even … you got to come to the Northwest. These are not innocent plants. We keep one, we call it the wall of blackberries where we can go pick our blackberries to make pie and jam.
Dr. Leman: Okay.
Andrea: But these things pop up everywhere and their thorns are horrible. And then they go, once they get going, they are out of control.
Dr. Leman: And you mentioned that machine. I’m sure I’m not the only one that was thinking, what were you riding? A what?
Andrea: It’s like a four wheel drive golf cart by Kubota.
Doug: It’s got a 500 gallon sprayer on the back. So you mix up 200 gallons of chemicals and go spray.
Dr. Leman: So if you went to Plano, Texas and use that term with someone, would they know what that was? Or was it just me?
Andrea: It’s a brand. It’s like Ford. It’s called Kubota. They build tractors.
Dr. Leman: Oh, I see. Okay. So if you live in the farm land, you would know that.
Doug: Probably.
Dr. Leman: If you’re a city person, you probably wouldn’t.
Doug: Yeah. You’re not lugging many 500 gallon sprayers around in the city.
Andrea: I don’t think it’s 500. 50.
Dr. Leman: Well, listen, I’ll tell you, Doug. I think you came out good on that, because if that’s the dumbest thing that came to mind, I think you’re in pretty good shape my friend.
Doug: Thank you.
Andrea: I’ll protect him on some others.
Doug: Yeah, I was like, “Oh man, which one is she going to bring up?” Because in our relationship, one of us is the planner and one of us is the screw-upper. So you can guess which one that is.
Dr. Leman: Listen for the record, I know Doug Terpening. He’s a wonderful human being.
Doug: He’s just not very bright. Go ahead and say it Leman. I could hear it coming next. Go for it.
Dr. Leman: No, no, no. You’re a good one.
Andrea: He’s a good one. That’s right.
Doug: All right. Well, Ray, thanks for asking your really great question. You’re a super thoughtful guy. You’re great. It sounds like you’re a great dad. And I appreciate the questions. I appreciate also that you took the risk as a dad to leave us a question. And for those of you that do want to ask your question, you can go to birthorderguide.com/podcastquestion. And if you want to hear what the dumbest thing Andrea’s done, maybe you can go there to ask the question and then we’ll just have to answer it.
Andrea: I’d be curious to hear what you say, honey.
Doug: Birthorderguide.com/podcastquestion.
Dr. Leman: I married you.
Doug: [inaudible] Alrighty.
Andrea: Have a great week. Thanks for being with us. And thanks, Ray, for your question.
Doug: Bye-bye.
]]>There are some things your middle schooler desperately wants to talk to you about, but they may not feel comfortable discussing them with you. Listen in to learn more about what you can do as a parent to open up these conversations with your kids during their more awkward stages of life.
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Doug: When I think back to my years in middle school, there are so many things I would never tell my parents. And that’s what we get to ask Dr.Lehman. Dr. Leman, what are the three things that most middle schoolers won’t tell their parents?
Hi, I’m Doug Terpening.
Andrea: And I’m Andrea.
Doug: And we are so glad that you are with us today. And we want to let you know, this is for your entertainment and education purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or your child, please go seek a local professional for help.
Well, weren’t those middle school years great years? Terrible. Oh my gosh. But there are tons of things I wish my parents knew, but there’s no way I would ever, ever tell them.
So Dr. Leman, my question to you today is what are those three things your middle-schoolers won’t tell us?
Dr. Leman: Wow. It’s an interesting time in a kid’s life. A simple pimple becomes Mount St. Helens. Everything’s exaggerated. They say things like, “You never let me do this. You never let me do that.” They speak in the extremes. They’re crazy. They’re hyperactive. They eat like horses, some of them. Unfortunately, some of them eat like sparrows, which is a whole other problem that deals with perfectionism that we don’t have time to get into today.
But I think number one, these are things now that your son or daughter is not going to tell you, okay? I wrote a book called Seven Things Your Husband Will Never Tell You, which is a good read. They should read the reviews on that one sometime. Women love that book, and they’re shocked to realize how many things husbands will not tell their wives.
But anyway, back to the subject matter. I would say, number one thing that child is not going to share with you, is their feelings of inferiority. Jim Dobson, my colleague and friend for many, many years called it the Canyon of Inferiority. It’s like a kid is sailing along on a really slow moving meandering stream. And all of a sudden he hits the rapids and he drops down a hundred feet in a short period of time. And he hits that Canyon of Inferiority where he feels like everybody is better than him. He’s the only person or she’s the only person who has problems. So it gets down to insecurity. When that kid leaves for school in the morning, parent, you think he’s worried about his geometry test. No, he’s probably more worried about the fact that he fears that, “Today, I’m the one that’s going to be singled out. I’m the one that’s going to be made fun of.” Kids are very, very sensitive to criticism. You look at them the wrong way some mornings, you know this parent, and they burst into tears and you’re standing there saying, “What just happened?”
Nothing just happened. They’re 14, they’re 13, they’re 12, they’re 11 and it’s just part of life. So we talk about vitamin E, which is Encouragement. Parent, you have to find ways of encouraging your children that you like them. As Billy Joel once sang in a song, “I love you just the way you are.” You don’t have to measure up. You don’t have to jump higher. So if you’re one of those parents that has a critical eye, that’s one of the things you’ve got to keep in mind if you have a member of the hormone group, as I like to call them, living under your roof.
Doug: So the first thing I’m worried about is that I’m inferior and why won’t I tell my parents that?
Dr. Leman: You’re not going to tell him that.
Andrea: But why not?
Dr. Leman: You’re going to keep it all inside of you. I don’t want anybody to know who I really am. And there’s a reason for that. Because I don’t know who I really am. I’m growing up. I’m going from playing with Legos, to having thoughts about the opposite sex. I’m drawing all kinds of conclusions about what’s important in life from watching the TV shows that I watch, playing the games that I play on videos.
Doug: So Dr. Leman, what are we to do as a parent then to be aware of that?
Dr. Leman: Number 1, you don’t take things personally. That’d be a big thing I would try to communicate to a parent. Because the parent says, “You are so weird. That is so dumb. That’s so stupid.” And those are things you’re going to hear out of a kid’s mouth.
By the way, I’ll be very personal with you. Our oldest daughter, she made the mistake in seventh grade of telling her mother and I that we were really stupid. And she didn’t say it in a very nice way. Well, that statement, which I’ll never forget, coincided with, and some of you won’t like this, but put on your big girl pants, your big boy pants and hear me out. It coincided with the day at their school where parents came to the classrooms and a kid had to introduce Sandy and I to the seventh grade class. And Holly got up and very dutifully introduced her Mom and Dad. “This is my Mom and Dad, Kevin and Sandy Lehman.” At which time I took Sandy’s hand and we sang a little song for the class and it went like this. “We are Holly Lehman’s stupid parents. We are Holly Leman’s stupid parents.” We came to stupid, we both dipped our knees in rhythm to the song.
Now I’m just going to ask you a question. Do you think that Holly ever again said the phrase, “You’re stupid.” Now, again, some of you don’t like that idea. “You embarrassed your daughter, you did this and did that.” You know, you can talk to kids about watching their mouth, being respectful, and if someone said, “I talked to them until I was blue in the face, they just didn’t seem to get it.” That day, the message was delivered. In not such a polite way. I give you that. But Holly today, if there ever was a considerate, congenial, thoughtful person, it’s her. Who has a great relationship with her parents, her brother and her other sisters. She’s number two in one of the biggest school districts around the state of Arizona. She’s very successful. She’s married to Dean who I love with all my heart.
Sometimes you pull the rug out and let the little buzzard tumble. Now I’m just quoting myself from one of my own books. Sometimes you can you again, talk yourself until you’re blue in the face. Sometimes you have to take action. Sometimes that action is uncomfortable. You say, “Well, you made your daughter feel very uncomfortable.” My question back to you who want to argue this point, “How did my 14 year old make Mom and Dad, who sacrificed a lot of things in life to bring her into life and to bring her to age 14?”
Doug: So how do you balance that with your kid already feels super insecure?
Dr. Leman: Well, afterward we talked to Holly about that and said, “Holly, I understand that it was very uncomfortable for you. And I promise you, I’m not going to do that again. But that’s a lesson learned. You need to understand. God, didn’t put us on this earth for you to run over us. And my pledge to you is we’ll continue to be good parents, but we are in authority over you. And when you take a cheap shot at us, there’s times there’s going to be a consequence for you and it’s not always going to be a comfortable one for you.” So are we on thin ice on that? Yeah, we are. You have to know your kid. You have to know just what you can get away with, so to speak, with each of your children, they’re all different.
Doug: So going back then to wrap up the inferiority though, you were saying that if you look at a kid weird and they start crying, or these other weird behaviors are happening, be aware that they have this inferiority conversation happening [inaudible] them and just give them space?
Dr. Leman: Yeah. Something’s going on. You have to know that something’s going on. So you’d follow up a conversation with something like, “Honey, I couldn’t help but notice you seemed really upset and you may not want to talk about this. That’s where I’m going to open up at. You might not want to even talk to me about it, but I want you to know that all you got to do is say, “Dad, can we talk?” And I promise, all I’ll do is sit and listen to you.” Now what you’ve done there is you’ve put an invitation out there, “I’m available.” And you said, “Listen, I’m not going to tell you what to do. I’m not going to answer your question, but I’m going to listen to you.” And if you can get that 14 year old or that 13 year old to tell you what’s going on in their head, you’re on second base.
So, in all these things we talk about, what I just talked about with Holly and all that, that’s a toss up. You have to really know your kid to be able to pull something like that off, and you have to follow it up. There’s got to be a sincere, genuine thought and feeling expressed to that daughter that, “I care about you. I love you. And you know, there’s some things that when you go over that border there’s going to be a consequence, whether it’s from me or life. It’s a lesson you must learn.” Anyway, to answer the question, insecurity and knowing that about your teenager is something you need to know.
And then number two, we’ve got to hurry here. They’re not going to tell you about their relationships. They’re not going to tell you about the sexual thoughts and feelings they have as their body begins to change physically and their thoughts begin to change emotionally. Most kids aren’t going to tell you. But you have to know, as a parent, that these thoughts and feelings are going on.
Now all of you Mommy’s got to put on your big girl pants, because I’m about to say something and it’s going to take you back just a notch or two. Your son. Your son. Not somebody else’s. Your son will experience a nocturnal emission by age 14, better known as a wet dream. I’m just going to ask you parents, have you prepared your son for that experience in life? I can give you the answer. Most of you haven’t. But you have to understand that that’s part of how young males are built. That’s something that happens in a young man’s… Now, I’m sure there’s people listening to us right now that say, “Leman, I trusted you until this moment. You’re a liar. That wouldn’t happen to my son.” Do some research girl.
So what I’m saying is you have to understand these kids are going through sexual changes. That kids at 14 are able to get somebody pregnant. Girls even younger than 14 are able to conceive. Have you done your diligence? Have you talked to your son or daughter? I wrote a book called A Chicken’s Guide To Talking Turkey To Your Kids About Sex. I believe it’s the lowest selling Leman book there is. Listen to the title, A Chicken’s Guide To Talking Turkey To Your Kids About Sex. You need to talk to your kids about sex. You’re the best information piece they have.
Andrea: Do you have any quick tips for us, Dr. Leman? We’re talking about the things our kids don’t want to tell us. So any quick tips on how to approach this subject with them, how to invite conversation with them, that they’ll feel safe?
Dr. Leman: Yes. Yeah. Get in the car and start driving. Get on the interstate, not just a country road where you guys live. Get on an interstate, and this prevents them from leaping out of the car when you start this conversation. Your kids looking out the window saying, “I can’t believe what’s being said right now,” but you start with a very straightforward, “Honey, there’s some things in life that you and I need to talk about. And for right now, you don’t have to respond to anything. I just have some things I want to share with you.” And then based upon your value system, you’re going to tackle some of these ideas about relationships and sex and temptation. And that can cover anything from underage drinking, to smoking pot, to being promiscuous. You name it. It can be very instructional.
That’s why I love that book I mentioned, A Chicken’s Guide To Talking Turkey To Your Kids About Sex. It’s a book you can leave around the house. Your kid will pick it up. Your kid will read it. It’s built that way for that reason. I like the idea you’re not looking eyeball to eyeball in a car.
That’s why I made that suggestion. It’s easier on you. You can just look at that white line and start talking.
Andrea: And they know no one else can hear what you’re saying.
Doug: You know what’s so funny about it is, I’m such a chicken when it comes to these kinds of conversations, that that’s what I did. So I took my kid for a long drive and I was like, “Well, I get this done and over with, but I don’t have to look him in the eye.” I got to drive.
Dr. Leman: Yeah. I know it’s funny. It sounds funny. It’s entertaining if your kids are 32 and 34, but when your kid’s 14 and 13, it’s serious business.
Doug: I know, but it’s so awkward for me. I’m such a chicken. Okay. Alrighty. Before we go to the third one, this applies perfectly to what we’re talking about actually, is that the book Planet Middle School is available for $1.99 between now and the end of February of 2021, wherever you get eBooks.
Andrea: Yeah. I just wanted to read this little review from Carrie-Anne. She said that, “Several Moms are going through this book together and finding it full of helpful information to prepare for the middle school years.” I thought what a great idea to have a little book club.
Doug: Yep. So if you have a middle schooler and you’re wondering what’s going on, this is a recent book by Dr. Lehman. So it’s got tons of current helps for you. Go and get it wherever you get e-books. And now, a no nonsense parenting moment with Dr. Kevin Leman.
Dr. Leman: Oh my goodness. There’s a lot of things that influence a young child’s personality, namely Mom and Dad and other siblings. I get it, I’ve written a few books on the subject. But you know the one that I discovered in private practice almost by accident, then I saw this tremendous trend, was the critical eyed parent. You know, when you “should” on your kids, I got to be careful how I say that don’t I? “You should do this. You should do that.” What you’re really conveying to your kids is they didn’t measure up. Watch out for that critical eye. Yes. If you’re an engineer or a math teacher or a physicist, I know perfection pays off, but again, we do not need perfection in rearing our children. We need to pursue excellence. You can do this parent. Lots of books out there that address this, including the Birth Order books. Sold well over a million copies for a reason.
Doug: All right Dr. Leman, what’s the third one that our kids won’t tell us?
Dr. Leman: Well, surprise parents. There was a study done on what teenagers fear the most. Was it nuclear holocaust? No. Guess what it was. “My parents are getting divorced.” Take a look around at the divorce rate, you can see why the number one fear for teenagers today is, “My parents will get a divorce.” I think it’s important if you’re in a loving relationship and divorce has never been a part of your vocabulary and you’re committed to a lifelong marriage, that you tell your kids that. Don’t make them figure it out. Don’t let them guess. Tell them. Use the words. Is it possible for a parent to look at a kid when he’s 14 and say, “I will never divorce your Dad,” and 10 years later, you file for divorce. Yes, it’s very possible. It happens all the time. But not as frequently as people get divorced, for sure, across the board.
What I’m saying is, at 24th year of marriage, you find out that your husband has been cheating on you for a couple of years and you take that tough step to divorce him and end the marriage. There’s always consequences for that, by the way. Nobody wins in divorce. But that’s something that kids have on their mind. So telling your kids that family’s important, that relationships are important, that you honor each other in marriage. I always say that the kids are taking emotional, psychological, spiritual notes on how you live your life. They’re always looking up, so to speak. So be careful about the word you choose to use in your family, your actions in the family. Keep in mind, you honor God, and you honor your mate and your honor your children, when you speak the truth in love.
Andrea: So what’s better? I believe that my parents hid all of their disagreements from my siblings and I, so I had the idea that marriage would be this smooth ride. Then I get into marriage and I love my husband, he loves me, but we have lots of disagreements. And sometimes they’re a little more visible to the family. What’s better? To hide it or to keep it behind closed doors?
Dr. Leman: Yeah. I was thinking about all Doug’s flaws, but I won’t go there.
Doug: Thank buddy. Yeah.
Dr. Leman: Here’s my opinion on that. If fighting occurs with a parent, I think it’s really important for a parent when they know that little ears heard what went on, that they say, “Hey, I know you heard Mom and Dad going at it. I just want you to know, problem solved.” And tell them how it got solved and tell them how much you love and appreciate their Dad or how much you love and appreciate their Mom. When you do that, I think you’re building psychological muscles for your kids to prepare them for life that isn’t always easy. People who love each other don’t always say loving things. Life happens, so to speak. So I think there’s a sense of realism and doing it that way. Hiding from your children is probably not best idea. But throwing things, if somebody’s very volatile in the family, kids should never see that. That has lasting effects on kids.
I hope that answers the question.
Andrea: Yeah. Thank you.
Doug: This is why every now and then we slip in these marriage tools like Have A New Husband By Friday, because you’ve said, “If you get divorced, you’ve just made your parenting a thousand times harder.” You don’t ever say, “A thousand times harder,” but you say it much more eloquently than I ever would, which is why we do that. Which is why last month we were saying, “Go get the book Have A New Husband By Friday,” to wrap things up. That’s why we do it. This week is Planet Middle School for $1.99, wherever you get your eBooks, go get them there between now and the end of February of 2021.
And again, we’re doing this so that you can know how to deal with that middle schooler and that you can love him and add that parenting toolbox.
So, great to be with you today. We hope that it helped you and we look forward to the next time.
Andrea: Thanks Dr. Lehman for those three tips on what kids won’t tell us, and now we can go and be more in tune to our kids.
Doug: Yep. We look forward to the next time that we get to be with you.
Andrea: Have a great week.
Doug: Take care.
Andrea: Bye-bye.
Doug: Bye-bye.
]]>It’s time for another Ask Dr. Leman: “How do I teach my kids how to budget?” Listen in to find out Dr. Leman’s response on this episode of Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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Doug:
But I want it and I want it now. Well, little Timmy, we’ve set up a system for you to be able to know the value of money called a budget. But I don’t care. Here’s the question that Rachel asks, can you teach kids to live on a budget? Is it a good idea? Is it a bad idea? Well, Rachel, we get to ask that question to Dr. Leman for you.
Doug:
Hi, I’m Doug Terpening.
Andrea:
And I’m Andrea.
Doug:
And we are so glad that you are joining us today. And if this happens to be your first time, I want to let you know this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or your child, please go seek a local professional for help. Well, let’s jump into Rachel’s questions, but before we do that, I want to let everybody know you can go to birthorderguide.com/podcastquestion, and you can leave your own audio question here like Rachel, but let’s hear what Rachel has to ask.
Rachel:
Hi, this is Rachel Beth from Kansas City with a question on foster parenting. When we foster teenagers and preteens, we’re working on differentiation, authority, and bonding all at the same time. That can be tumultuous. My question today is about helping a preteen or teen learn to budget. Of course, this is their money. They’ve earned it, but they haven’t had the years with us to learn how to budget appropriately from the time that they were young. I have had some foster parents say that they demand that a child, a foster child take half of their paycheck and put it into savings. And the other half they can spend however they wish. I have worked with my foster children on setting up a budget. We use the app, Good Budget. They allocate different amounts into different envelopes, and I get them set up for success.
Rachel:
Although, what I find is very rarely do they follow through on that. Since this is a foster child, not a biological child that has had it for their whole life, what are some practical ways that my husband and I can help our foster children learn how to manage money? It has worked very well, but in general, we’re really not seeing a lot of saving going on.
Dr. Leman:
Number one, if I believed in giving people stars, I would give you five stars for your effort. Getting kids on a budget is a chore and a half. Kids are very hedonistic. They think in the short term, they don’t think in the long term. And so to get a kid, your own child, to start budgeting or get to get your wife or your husband to do so is not the easiest thing in the world. So again, you get the five stars there.
Dr. Leman:
What you’re taking on, especially with kids that you foster, where the kids are with you for a relatively short period of time of their life. You’re fighting the 11 years before they came to you, the 14 years before they came to you with any kind of thing that you try to implement. They haven’t had structure in their life. They haven’t had good instruction in their life. Most of them have not come from healthy homes. So you’re dealing with people who are, been behind the eight ball and bounced around a lot. And so why would they trust a foster parent about anything, let alone budgeting?
Dr. Leman:
But when you asked for a practical step of how to get foster children to budget, I would say two things. They have their check. And just like your friend who said, “Okay, half of it goes here half, you can do whatever you want with it.” That’s not a terrible, bad idea, but it doesn’t get to your point that you want to teach kids to budget. So if that were my foster child and I was interested in teaching them the rewards of saving, what I would do, even as a foster parent, I would match whatever they save that month.
Dr. Leman:
In fact, as a parent, my kids all worked at a camp, a Christian camp in Western New York. And they work like dogs. They start off as what they call dish rags, where they’re the kitchen help and they clean up the floors and they clean the bathrooms and that kind of stuff. And they’re paid pennies rather than dollars. They don’t get a lot of money for their hard work. And they would bring me their paycheck to cash. So they had some money and I was the bank. I cashed it for them, but whatever their paycheck was, I put it in an account that they didn’t know about. And in fact, I matched it some months and weeks, so they could see visibly the result of saving money. It’s one thing to talk to kids about saving money. It’s another thing to show them that you have several hundred dollars in this account and they go, “Where did that come from?” “Honey, when you gave me a check, I put them in a special account. I was essentially saving the money for you.”
Dr. Leman:
So my thinking was, they’re working their tail off in a very wholesome activity for the summer. They’re not getting many bucks for it. So I’m going to bless them as their dad, and I’m going to teach them the value of saving money. So again, my simple suggestion to you would be number one, when they blow their money, that is your foster children, they know they’re out of money. So life is going to teach them a lot of what you want to teach them. But if they will take a portion and save it, I would match that. I would encourage that. Now that costs you money. I mean, it comes out of your budget, but you’re asking a question and I’m doing my best to answer it. That’s what I would do.
Doug:
So if we’re saving, you would say at the end of the month, if the kid has got an extra 50 bucks in their account, how would she know that they’ve got 50 bucks in there?
Dr. Leman:
I would tell her. “Oh, you put in how much? You’re putting $20 away this month? That’s great. I’ll tell you what, I’m going to match that 20 and next week or next month when you get your check, same thing. So, if you want to put 50 in, I’m going to match it 50. It’s your money. Not mine. It’s your account. You can go get it tomorrow if you want. But as long as you’ll put that in every month, I’ll match it.”
Andrea:
How do you know they’re not just going to dip into it and go spend it and be like, “Ha-ha. I tricked them.”
Dr. Leman:
You don’t. At the second month, let’s say they gave you 20 the first month. And they took you up on the offer of 50. Now they put $70 away. You have matched it. You put $70 away. If my math is correct that kid’s got $140. So she goes down to the local bank and she was draws $130 leaving $10 in the account. Okay? So she’s got 130 bucks. It’s her money, but guess what? Next month, she’s got $10 in her account. That’s all. You see, the problem? Life is going to teach her or him when they go outside of these rules, and they are rules of life, there’s going to be a consequence. So it’s a teachable moment. The foster kids, I’ve been a keynote speaker for Parents Anonymous, and I’ve done work for foster associations as well. And that’s a tough world those kids come from.
Doug:
So what about those that don’t have the foster kid element that this, again, kudos to Rachel for all she’s doing. I’m so impressed. What about the rest of us? If we’re trying to teach our kids beyond just saving, but actually realizing, this costs 100 bucks and this cost 50 bucks and we want them to see it, whether she talked about the envelope system that she’s using or some other thing.
Dr. Leman:
Yeah. And a lot of parents use that little envelope thing. Well, I in full disclosure, Doug, only on occasion, have I ever written down a check in my personal account. I went to carbon copy checkbooks. And again, we’re talking to young parents today and they’re saying, “Checkbooks, what’s a checkbook? You old guy, you.” Well, I still write checks, but my nature was, I had what they call a credit reserve or something like that. So on my checking account, if I was over, the bank would essentially loan me the money and I’d have to pay it back the next month. And yeah, they charge a low interest. So I am, in full disclosure, I’ve never been a budgeter myself. My sister would write down every check in granite. So you have to keep in mind, parent, that all these kids come to you, whether they’re biological or foster kids, they come to you with different inner workings. They’re going to see life differently.
Dr. Leman:
Now we, as a parent, we say, “All right, now hear this. This is what we’re going to do in our family.” Good luck because you’re talking to three kids or four kids who are going to see it completely different. And some kids are going to be like the Kevin Lemans of the world and aren’t going to write down the checks. So I’m not a budgeter. I’ve never been a budgeter, never intend to be a budgeter. I don’t value budgeting, I think, would be a fair assumption. I marvel at people who can budget. I marvel at people who can fix things. I can’t fix anything. I don’t have a handyman bone in my body, but I can talk my way into Disney World for nine free tickets. So realize we all have skills. And the problem for parents is that we sort of see things many times in lockstep manner that if you’re a member of the Terpenings, this is what the Terpenings do.
Dr. Leman:
Well, I got news for you. You got four Terpenings, and each one of those little Terpenings going to see life different. And you find that out early in life. Some kids go to bed like a dream. Other kids go to bed like a salmon on a dock. It’s a fight to the finish. So is there an art of parenting? Yeah, I think there is. But part of it is understanding who you are as a parent and trying to be a good listener, treat your kids differently. And these things that we get hung up on, whether it’s budgeting or whatever, in a big picture of things, doesn’t influence to a great degree who your child is. I think that’s what I would tell parents.
Doug:
Well, when we come back, I want to ask the question though, if I hold that as a high value that I actually think it is important for them, how do I deal with that? But I’ll forget this. So thank you, Andrea, for reminding me. There’s great book right now. It’s called Planet Middle School for $1.99 between now and the end of February of 2021, wherever eBooks are sold. And Andrea has an Amazon review.
Andrea:
Yes. Amanda says this book is full of practical advice that you’ll be able to use quickly. If you’re a parent of a middle school student, odds are that you’ll be using advice found in this book within 12 hours of reading. It’s not wishy-washy like some parenting books are, it gets right down to the nitty gritty and gives you concrete solutions that leave your child feeling respected while you can retain your authority as a parent.
Doug:
So if you have kids that are in those middle school years, highly, highly, highly recommended for only $1.99. And now a no nonsense parenting moment from Dr. Kevin Leman.
Dr. Leman:
Hey parents, I’m going to ask you to do something really simple. Just stand up and be the parent you need to be. I’m walking through a grocery store. There’s a four year old in a cart with a young mommy. And every time the cart stopped, the child began to point. “I want that. I want that.” “Oh no, honey, this is what …” “No, I want that.” A little fussing, and before long what mom didn’t want, she said she didn’t want it, is in the cart. For the life of me, parent, every kid needs vitamin N, which is no. If you don’t assume your authority, your child is going to steal it from you. And you’re going to create a little brat to put it bluntly. There’s a reason people look at you sometimes in the store. Believe me, they’re shaking their head saying, “I cannot believe that mother who is an authority over whom?” Don’t ever forget it. You are in authority over your children, not as authoritarian, but you are in healthy authority. Utilize it. It’s free.
Doug:
So Dr. Leman, let’s say that in our family, we think budgeting is like one of the core values you need to know as an adult. And we have that kid like you who’s like, “Budgeting? What’s a budget? I don’t know what that is.” How do we solve that tension when we think money is a big … Is one of those things that causes lots of friction in life. They need to know how to control it.
Dr. Leman:
Yeah. I can answer that question. I’ll remind people that money is important. It’s mentioned 109 times in the Bible. This comes right out of one of the Leman books. I wish I could tell you which one, but I can’t. But it’s like having a puppy. You start training a puppy when they’re a puppy, you don’t wait too long. So by age five, you start an allowance for a child. Every child gets an allowance. To define that allowance, I would say it’s a small portion of the recreational budget of the family. Okay. You might give a five-year-old a couple of dollars in quarters for an allowance. You would increase it every year. When kids get to a seventh grade, for example, that would be increased a lot. When they get to fourth grade, they’re obviously going to get more money than they were in kindergarten.
Dr. Leman:
And they get the high school, I love giving high schoolers up budget for clothes. I think you put money in a child’s hands at 14 and say, “Okay, this is the money we’ve allocated for school clothes. Now you go and you go shopping. If you want me to come with you, I’d be glad to, but that’s your choice.” A kid will figure out if, “I buy this X brand, I only have enough to get one shirt. But if I buy this brand, I can get two shirts and a pair of pants as well.” Let them figure it out. So what I’m saying is your allowance is your best friend when kids are young and they say, “I want this. I want that.” You just simply say, “Honey, use your allowance.” Now, if you want to, if you want to have a savings plan, my two grandchildren who are 15 and 17, both have their own debit cards.
Dr. Leman:
The parents have done a good job in instructing them about financial things. One of them is really sort of tight. In fact, I’d say she’s cheap. If she can find a way to get somebody else to spend their money, she loves to hold onto her money. Isn’t it interesting how kids are? One kid’s a spender and the other kid’s not, but again, they’ll figure that out. The important thing is if you’re going to do this, if that’s a value then putting allowance system at age five and handle it as judiciously as you can. Try to stay out of the way of making decisions for them, because there’s not a better decision than when a kid blows his money on something that was downright half worthless. You know what I’m saying? Let them figure it out their life. They’ll figure it out.
Andrea:
And when would you stop giving an allowance?
Dr. Leman:
It’s a little like asking when do you stop being a parent? Yesterday, to be real practical, I wrote a check for $2,365 for my donation to the Institute for Better Education. In Arizona if you go to a private school, as two of my grandchildren go to, I have four grandchildren, I can donate money in their name and that $2,365 will apply to their tuition. And I get it back on my state income tax. Now, some people are saying, “Boy, I wish we had that in our state.” Well, move to Arizona and you can enjoy that. But the question is, when do you stop being a parent? My daughter said to me yesterday, “Dad, it’s that time of year again, are you willing to put money into Connor and Adeline’s education for next year?”
Dr. Leman:
And I said, “Well, to tell you the truth honey, right now, I’m sort of broke. This is the end of the year. Taxes are due January 15th, but yes, I’ll do that.” And we do it. So when do you stop giving allowances? I think you put kids on allowances through the college years of one kind or another. I mean, here’s a fact for people to think about. I have five kids. I think it was $620,000 I spent on educating four kids through college. That includes everything. That’s a lot of money. That frightened people just to hear that figure today.
Dr. Leman:
Well, if you got kids that are seven or eight years old, do some research, you tell me how much it is to send your kid to … You name the school. The school down the street from where you live, the state university across lines. You’ll be shocked at how much it costs. That’s why they have programs like a 529, I think it’s called IRA where you can save money for your kid’s future education. So don’t, don’t misread what I’m saying. I’m not a budgeter. But I do see the value in people who save money for the future. That’s a smart thing to do for sure. And most Americans don’t save anything, quite frankly.
Doug:
Well, thank you, Dr. Leman. And it makes me think of a story that I worked … My dad owned a laundromat and I cleaned out, maybe I’ve told this to you before, I got the clean out all the quarters that trap underneath the agitators. It took me hours. I had a pocket full of quarters and I biked down to the local arcade and like in an hour and a half, I burned through all the coins. And when I told him, I was like-
Dr. Leman:
Good for you, Doug.
Doug:
I know, but I biked home and I just thought, “I busted my, you know what, for days, and it’s all gone an hour and a half. I’m never doing that again.” So I learned the value of … there’s a level of enjoying and enjoying. So yeah. Okay. Well, Rachel, we just thank you so much for being a foster parent first off.
Dr. Leman:
Kudos for you.
Doug:
Kudos for you. And thank you for leaving the question as well. It’s a great question. Lots of parents are wondering how we can help our kids and we hope this helps all those other parents out there. A reminder, go get the book Planet Middle School for less than $2, $1.99 between now and the end of February of 2021. It will bless you tremendously. And we look forward to the next time we get to add to your parenting toolbox so you can love those kids more and more.
Andrea:
Have a great one. Bye-bye.
Doug:
Take care. Bye-bye.
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Doug: How do you deal with it when your feelings differ from your kids’ feelings on issues that you actually have strong opinions about or strong opinions yourself, or feelings about yourself? What do you do? How do you deal with that? That’s the question we get to ask Dr. Leman. Hi, I’m Doug Terpening.
Andrea: And I’m Andrea.
Doug: And we are so glad that you are with us. If this is your first time with us, we’d like to let you know that this is for your entertainment and educational purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or your child, please go seek a local professional for help. Well, Dr. Leman, as you know, we live in some times that there are lots of shifting thoughts and opinions and feelings out there, but how do we as parents deal with this idea that when we think it’s blue and they think it’s red, or we think it’s whatever, and they state something different from us? And it would be great if you could do it for younger kids and then teenage kids. How do I deal with this?
Dr. Leman: Wow. Such an easy question. The other question you could have asked me is what is truth? No, seriously. You know, I think this is a good topic because let’s face it, most of us parents know exactly how our kids should behave, how they should think, how they should act in social situations. I mean, you mentioned red and blue, so I’m hanging this on you, Mr. Terpening. Okay? You brought up red and blue. The political season. It seems like it’s never going to stop, but what do you do when your 12 year old, your 13 year old, your 15 year old expresses political views, for example, that are very different from the values that you and your spouse hold very close to your heart and mind? How do you deal with social issues today? And there are many of them out there. Oh my goodness.
We’re plummeted with different ideas from different sectors of our country. So the question is, how do you maintain the relationship with your son or daughter? How do you foster communication with your son or your daughter, even though the subject matter inside infuriates you? Is that saying it pretty plain? All right. So let’s venture into that sea and see what we can come up with. The sea of life, I like to call that one. Well, your son comes home and he’s been energized by watching some television. He was actually watching some news shows, which is very uncharacteristic of a 13, 14 year old kid. And he comes home and expresses some ideas, and they’ve been reinforced by some of his buddies at school, that really rile you. Okay? First piece of advice is if you’re riled, if you’re upset, you bite your tongue for awhile.
You need to come to a place where you’re not coming across as an adversary. And you have to come to a place where you appear not to be angry, that you are in full control of your emotions. Now, if that takes you a half an hour, so be it. But listen to what I’m about to say. If it takes you two days, that’s okay too. Because some of these things, we sort of jump into, exaggerate in our minds, say, Oh my goodness, my kid’s going to do this. My kid’s going to become that. You know, let’s not put the cart before the proverbial horse, and let’s get to a point where emotionally we have some balance. And then the key words are, “Honey. I find that more than an interesting.” Okay? Now again, parent, you’re really infuriated. This was two days later.
It took you that long, and listen to what I’m saying. “Honey, wow, that’s really interesting.” Now here’s the hard part, parent. “Tell me more about that.” And you let that son or that daughter run. I’m a fishermen. I was out in Lake Erie this summer, and I had a big fish on my line. And I was with a guide who knows a lot more about fishing than I do. And he had set the drag on the spinning outfit to let that fish run. You don’t want to force it. If you force it, you have a chance of snapping a line and certainly losing the fish. You want to give that fish running room, which he did. He must have run it out in another 75 yards. And it was a big fish. Well, I think that’s a good analogy as a parent. The tendency is just a knee jerk reaction, haul that fish in as quick as you can, just, you know, overpower it, and chances are the results are not going to be good.
So when you let that child run, and what I mean by that, you let that child express those opinions. So second piece of advice is, do not be judgmental. Do not make a judgment about what that son or daughter is talking about. Just listen. That’s a skill that all of us need to do better at. It’s hard just to be a listener because you want to jump in. You want to straighten up the ship, tell the kid where the bones buried, give them the facts. You’re the adult, he’s the kid. But it doesn’t work. Just keep that fish analogy in mind.
So those are two things you start with. Okay? And if that child doesn’t feel pushback, okay, it’s not going to escalate. That child is going to get their thought or their feeling out. And you’re going to make comments like, “Wow. Interesting. Wow. I tell you the truth. I’ve never thought of it that way.” So you’re not condemning. You’re not judging. You’re letting them run. Then at a certain time, if there are questions in your mind, and there are lots of questions in your mind, you’re saying, how could my kid possibly believe what they just said? The tendency again is to pounce on them. Don’t do that. Here’s the key number three, ask for their opinion.
So whatever that question is, put it in opinion form. It’s sort of like playing Jeopardy or watching Jeopardy on TV. The answer isn’t the answer, it is what is. Okay? So you’re going to use opinion when you’re tempted to use a question. So that gets us going. What do you two doctors in the state of Oregon think?
Doug: Well, I think you’re nuts to start off with again. And I think it’s terrible advice. Like I think of everything you’ve ever said. So there we go. How’s that?
Andrea: And of course, they’re going to run with these new ideas and we’re going to lose them and they’re never going to come back.
Doug: Yeah. They’re going to crash and burn, then we’re going to blame you. How’s that for starters?
Dr. Leman: Yeah. They’re kids. You know? I was with my granddaughter last night, she’s 15, and she’s just not a math student. She’s a great kid. She get good grades in everything but math. And I shared with her. I said, “Honey, it’s in the genes.” I was kidding her. And I said, “Hey, let’s face it. You’re dumb as a rock.” Now, she’s 15 years old. She’s pretty as they come, she knows my sense of humor. And she knows, for those of you who are tempted to send me an email, save your fingertips. Don’t. We have a wonderful relationship. And I said, “But again, it runs in the family. My mother, honey, my mother, your great grandmother, her final grade in algebra when she was a freshman in high school was 22. Your grandfather’s final exam in algebra one, believe it or not, was 22. So the fact that you got 45 on your last quiz that tells me you’re near genius.”
And so you talk about it, you acknowledge it. You have fun with whatever’s coming your way and notice that you share some vulnerability. And so when you’re asking that kid about opinion, that’s a time when you might offer up some thoughts and feelings that you had when you were 15 years old or 14 years old about life. And now, give it the insight that you’ve gained, you know, now that you’re 43 years of age. Do you see what I’m saying? It’s a teachable moment for all of us, but you don’t want to repel them. You don’t want to run over them. You don’t want to be overly judgmental with them. We all make judgments. I get it. But you got to be careful how you express that to your son or your daughter.
Doug: So let’s just talk about the first elephant in the room. And that is that if I go and I asked the two, if I say, “Oh, that’s interesting. Tell me more about that.” And, “Oh, I’d love to know your opinion.” I feel like I’m just totally validating and reinforcing the most idiotic thing I’ve heard of in the last 20 years. So why am I not reinforcing this terrible idea?
Dr. Leman: Well, and you’re speaking for most people, Doug. Most people would read that as wait a minute, I’m condoning it. Where have you said in any of those words that you condone what they were thinking? You haven’t. You’re just letting that fish run. But there are times, like I say, when you slip the commercial announcement, as I like to call it, to your son or daughter. When you share in a very vulnerable way that you used to think … Well, let’s take a hot button. Let’s take a hot button like abortion, where, when you were a kid, you were a follower of a, trying to think of her name, Gloria Steinem. Okay? And by the way, I’ve shared the platform with Gloria Steinem hat the University of Illinois with 15,000 women altogether. But you were very into the liberation movement. You were very into abortion.
You loved the bumper sticker that said, “Keep your laws off my body.” And now that you are an adult and maybe you had a decision in your life to follow Jesus and your whole life changed. And you saw things not from just a worldly perspective, but from a biblical world perspective. And you’ve been convicted that abortion is wrong. In fact, one of the things that I would bring up to a daughter is the [inaudible] New York State approve legislation that you could abort a child at nine months. Now, I don’t know what you want to call it, but I am not apologetic for this statement. That’s flat out murder in my opinion. Period. And I would be willing to share that with a son or a daughter in one of those moments where I’m being vulnerable and showing with my kid my journey to wrestle with that very difficult decision.
And I’m not negating that’s a difficult decision for anybody. I’m very sensitive to all those issues around that. But again, it comes to a point where, okay, 15 year old has made her run. She’s told you all of her feelings and you asked for her opinion and she gave it to you. And now in full disclosure and creating a balance in that conversation, I’m saying, “Well, honey, let me show you my journey on that very subject.” And you share it. Now, have you shared it in a judgemental way? No. All you’ve done in a very vulnerable and open way is share your ideas about that hot button. Now, keep in mind, parent. You’re not going to make that decision for that kid. If you think you are, you better read all those Leman books again, real quickly. You see what I’m saying, Doug and Andrea?
Doug: Right. But the problem is, is, well, A, it feels like I’m condoning it because I’m not standing up for what I know is right. And then B, I realized that what you said there at the end is I can’t make them agree with me or I can’t make them make the decision I want them to make is a great reminder, again, that at 14 for sure, I’ve learned, you have to listen a whole bunch. You’re right. And the slipping the commercial works way better because if I attack it and start just, you know how dumb idea that is. Like, that is the dumbest thing I’ve heard. And don’t you know where that leads to? What am I going to do to the kid if I start saying things like that?
Dr. Leman: Well, I think the scenario we just threw, you modeled what a great parent is. A parent listens. Okay? You have to be respectful. You’ve been very respectful. You’ve listened to everything he or she has said. And now it’s time to balance things. Just say, “Well, can I share with you?” You can even ask for permission. “Can I share with you how I see that? Because we obviously see it differently.” Share your journey and then shut up. You slip them the commercial announcement, and then you shut up. You start beating that dead horse. Now, I’ve been married to a lovely lady. Her name is Mrs. Uppington. If you’re new to our podcast, she is something else. She’s 100% German. Okay? And I think that has something to do with it, but I’ll get in trouble if I go too far down that road. But see, I think that having all the lights on in the house is really rather impractical.
Okay? She doesn’t have a problem with lights. In fact, her quote from last Christmas, I remember, “Oh honey, those thousand little lights. That’s not going to make that big difference in that electric bill.” That’s a quote. Those thousands of little lights. And I mean thousands. Okay? It looks like, you know, it’s January. We still have our kids here. Our kids came, they all came before Thanksgiving. They’re still here. All five of them are here. Our daughter brought her twins with her. We have three dogs. I spend a few minutes a day just walking through the house, turning off lights. I’ve had this conversation with my wife for over 50 years.
And I have deduced that if I say anything about turning off the lights, I might as well go out and spit in the wind. Just spit in the wind. It’s going to come right back on my face. So you know what I do? I shut up and I walk around and I turn lights off almost all day long. So there’s certain situations you have to realize that saying anything isn’t going to be productive. You have to live your life and you live your life in as exemplary fashion as you possibly can.
Doug: Well, Dr. Leman, I’m glad we just got through that therapy session for you to complain about the light situation. I hope you feel better now. I have a follow-up question, but before we do that, I want to make sure, thank you, Andrea, for reminding me. This last half of the month, you can get a great book, Have A New Husband By Friday, for only $2 and 99 cents between now and the end of January of 2021, wherever eBooks are sold.
Andrea: Yep, and Carol has a review on Amazon that says, “Yes, I enjoyed the book. I learned a lot about how my husband may be thinking and feeling. The book was more about the wife understanding her husband and a change of her attitude. I found it enlightening from a man’s point of view, and I hope to reread it again when I get too critical of my husband.”
Doug: So go wherever you get eBooks for only $2 and 99 cents. You only got a couple of days and it’ll help your marriage. Alrighty. And now, a no nonsense parenting moment with Dr. Kevin Leman.
Dr. Leman: Well, hi, everybody. For most of you, school bells are ringing, they’re about to ring, or they have rung. But with COVID, it makes a difference, doesn’t it? You know what? Schools are so smart to offer parents an option. Yes, online can work for a while, but I think the smartest schools are the ones who invite students or scholars into the campuses. And by the way, schools provide all kinds of great stuff for kids, like food. Or special needs students. You can’t put special needs students, many of them, on computers. And there’s economic factors as well. So parents, I know it’s upsetting. I know it can even be frightening. We don’t live in fear. Okay? Get your scholars back in school. Communicate, talk to your people. Every situation is different, I know it, but do your best.
Doug: Alrighty, Dr. Leman, we have some friends of ours, and this isn’t why I brought this question up, but it’s relevant to them. They are petrified of how they are seeing their daughter consume more and more different sources of information that are contrary, that they actually think are going to lead her down a harmful path someday. And she’s beginning to express those opinions more and more and more.
Andrea: Like in the news stream.
Doug: Like in the news stream, yep.
Andrea: Yep.
Doug: Like in the new stream. And these are just social issues or other thoughts, and they don’t know how to turn that ship. So how about all those parents that are thinking, well, that’s fine, Dr Leman, but you don’t understand what my kid is looking on social media or on the news sites or wherever. I see that ship going the wrong way. That’s all nice, but I can see this one’s going to crash on rocks. What would you say to that parent about it?
Dr. Leman: Well, I would say, listen, this is a control issue that you would love to have control over. If you had your way, you would shut off those news sources. You would shut down her Instagram account. You’d shut down her Facebook, you know, on and on and on. It doesn’t work that way. It’s never worked that way. That never gets a good result. You have to be respectful. You have to listen. And you’re saying, “Leman, you don’t understand. I hear it all the time. I am listening.” Oh, are you really listening? Are you just hearing it? There’s a difference. If you listen, okay? In a respectful way, your son or daughter is going to learn to trust Mom and Dad. Now, you tell me what’s better, to earn the trust of your son or your daughter, or to do it your way? See?
If you just follow your feelings, psychologists, psychiatrists, counselors have said for years, “Oh, I know the problem here. You need to get in touch with your feelings. And if you just get in touch with your feelings and follow your feelings, everything will be okay.” Those are disastrous words. If Andrea, sweet Andrea, would just follow her feelings for 30 days, she’d be in the county jail. You just can’t live life like that. So it’s not the message that a parent wants to hear. They want an instant fix. How can I change my child?
You have to understand that child is not you. He’s not a clone of you. She’s not a clone of you. They’re going to think differently. They’re growing up in a different world than you and I grew up in. So all these influences that are part of their life are going to greatly impact how they see life. They’re going to see it differently than you and I. I’ve got five kids. We’ve got a three to two split on most things with the kids. They’re not all in line. They’re not clones. They all have different ideas, different personalities. So anyway.
Andrea: So I just want to kind of rephrase all that, so I make sure I’m hearing it correctly. So you’re saying, okay, my child is taking in news, you know, from a site that I don’t like. They’re starting to take on these different beliefs that maybe I’m really uncomfortable with. In this case with my friend, the daughter’s actually calling her mother names because she believes, you know, differently. I need to just do the listening? I need to say, “Ooh, that’s interesting. I haven’t thought of it that way,” and not take away her new sources, not try and control the situation. But by being that listening patient ear, eventually she’ll realize and trust me.
Dr. Leman: What I said, you remember what I said just a few moments ago? If there’s not respect, we’re going nowhere. And when a kid dogs a parent, is disrespectful, that’s what we go into vitamin N. Because that’s not fair. It’s fair for me to listen to all of your ideas. To listen. Okay? Not try to change them, just listen. But when you turn around and call me names because of it, that’s a whole nother story. That’s when, “Hey Mom, I’m going to take the car and go to my girlfriend’s house.” That’s when you say the car is not going anywhere and it’s not because of what she thought, okay? Or what her beliefs are. It’s because she disrespected her mom in the home.
Doug: So what, Dr. Leman, you’re telling us is don’t get agitated, calm your heart down, even if it takes you two days. Say, tell me more about that. Don’t be judgemental when they talk, and ask for their opinion, because you want to build trust and have mutual respect. That is huge. You’re right.
Andrea: And I think one of the harder parts is going to be actually, you said at some point sharing my opinion. I think it’s going to be hard to share that without getting into a argument, you know?
Doug: Right.
Andrea: And just saying, well, this is my experience. This is how I got to where I am.
Doug: My suggestion to all of you out there. If you’re like, ah, Doug, you were just getting to the good stuff here. Like, I’m not doing this. I’m not shutting it down, it’s just, we got time, is to say, go buy the book. What is it, Andrea?
Andrea: Making Children Mind Without Losing Yours.
Dr. Leman: Making Children Mind Without Losing Yours. But you know that book that we’re talking about, that we’ve offered today on, Have A New Husband By Friday?
Doug: Yeah.
Dr. Leman: You know, whether you like to admit it or not, as an author, you have favorite books. And I just want people to know that’s one of my all time favorites. That book rocks. So many women have thanked me for taking the time to write that book. It gives you great ideas on how to approach this man who, by his nature, is not a talker. He’s not a sharer. He’s not one that gives you his innermost thoughts and feelings. So that book, Have A New Husband By Friday, it’s not about you trading in your husband for a newer model. It’s about learning how to talk to a man so he will open up his heart and mind to the things that you want to share. So that is a wonderful book.
Doug: Well, and this is why we keep recommending all these books for you so that you get this concept of listening, asking questions, good questions. And so that you can go, great. I know how to deal with my kids. And again, there’s no cookie cutter thing that’s going to work for each kid. So you got to figure it out. But this gives you the tools to figure out how to do that, differently than just how you feel in that moment, which is often how I screwed up my parent. Well, it was great to be with you today and thank you, Dr Leman, for wading into these waters with us. And I hope it really helps you parents be able to relax and enjoy those kids and know how to address them when things get tough, so that you can love those kids more and more and more. Great to be with you today.
Andrea: Have a great week.
Doug: Bye-bye.
Andrea: Bye-bye.
]]>It’s time for another Ask Dr. Leman: “My 3-year-old throws tantrums when she doesn’t get enough attention.” Listen in to find out Dr. Leman’s response on this episode of Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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Doug: “I want that cookie. I want… Aaaaaah.” Do you ever get tired of hearing that as a parent? Audrey is, and that’s the question she’s asking us. “I’m tired of the tantrums. How do I stop that?” Hi, I’m Doug Terpening.
Andrea: I’m Andrea.
Doug: We are so glad that you are joining us this morning. If this happens to be your first time with us, I’ll let you know this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or a child, please go seek a local professional for help. Let’s hear what Audrey has to say about tantrums in her house.
Audrey: Hi, Dr. Leman. Love the show. We have two kids. We have a three-year-old girl and an almost one-year-old boy. Our three-year-old girl, she’s a pretty good big sister. She loves her brother, but she has a real problem with not getting all the attention that she thinks she needs. She’ll throw fits when she thinks she’s being ignored. She will walk all around whining when she doesn’t get what she wants. We’re pretty careful to not tolerate it if she is not being nice. Then she’ll go sit on her bed until she’s done, but it doesn’t really seem to help. I don’t really know what to do. Any advice would be great. Thank you.
Dr. Leman: That’s a great question, Audrey. First of all, you sound like a great mommy, and part of what you’re going through, most of us as parents have dealt with when we have kids that are two years apart or less. Those are built-in competitive years, and you’ll be glad to know this will continue. It can continue all the way through their teenage years, believe it or not. When they’re close in age, there’s competition. The good news is you have one of each sex, which is going to make it a lot easier to deal with as you go along.
Dr. Leman: What you have to understand is when your little sweetheart, your little girl, was just two years old, she heard the word ‘pregnancy’. She found out this little guy was going to come home. When he came home from the hospital, she said, “You know, I think that little guy’s here to stay.” All of a sudden, her position as queen of the family has been diminished because a lot of people are giving a lot of attention to that little thing, that one-year-old brother. Is it immaturity? Yeah, she’s only three. Is it selfishness? Yes, she’s only three.
Dr. Leman: This is why God gave kids parents, because we help shape the behavior of the child. I say you’re a good parent because you don’t tolerate the whining. You let that child go sit in their bedroom and cool her heels, which is all good. What I’m saying is, this is as natural a situation that you will see in a good family, such as yours. It’s just a matter of you being consistent. As soon as she starts her dog and pony show, as soon as she gets her little selfish nose in the air, you act immediately. That’s my best advice.
Dr. Leman: What does that mean? It means you pick her up swiftly. You give her the look. You say, “Mommy’s unhappy. You’re going to sit here until you decide to act like a three-year-old.” Close the door. She might howl at the moon. If she does, no problem. Okay? For openers, be quick, don’t tell yourself she’s going to stop. Take action. Be firm, give her the look, keep in mind that kids do not like it when mom’s unhappy. Okay?
Dr. Leman: Now, notice that we’re only focusing on the three-year-old. That one year old, even at a year old, and at eighteen months, he will be much better at this. He’ll know exactly how to push her buttons, to unleash her wrath at brother. Then you’re going to come in and over-correct your daughter, and the saga continues. Like I said, it could go all through the teenage years, but here’s another important tip.
Dr. Leman: If you hold both of them accountable for the maladaptive behavior they’re engaging in, you will lessen the competition and you’ll have a more peaceful family. In other words, never ask who started it, don’t assume who started it, treat both of them with some healthy disdain. That you really show them that, “I’m very unhappy that you two can’t act like you should be.” Simple stuff. I will now ask our resident psychologist to chime in.
Andrea: I’m very curious. How is she going to know when the one-year-old boy is really starting to manipulate the situation? Are there signs she should be looking for, or is there something she should be doing now, even towards him?
Dr. Leman: He’s only almost a year. Okay? So I would get the calendar out. You know when he’s going to be 18 months of age. Circle that month and say, “You know what? This is about the time this guy is really going to get powerful.” It’s just a developmental issue with kids. About 18 months, they get a really good sense of how their behavior affects the behavior of those around them, namely mom and dad, and older sister in this case. So be aware it’s coming. Again, don’t ask questions who started it. Just what’s going on in the house. Fighting, for example. Fighting is not to take place in the home.
Dr. Leman: So what I would suggest when two kids are fighting at three and eighteen months, you take them both by the arm and put them someplace, close the door. Put them outside, depending upon what time of year it is and what kind of a climate you live in, et cetera. Be Swift, be firm, give them the look, let them know you’re unhappy, and repeat as often as necessary. So you’re taking away the audience, and part of the misbehavior is designed to get you needlessly involved in their affairs. So the sooner you do that, and the more consistent you are with that, Audrey, the more chance you have of having a peaceful home.
Doug: I don’t know where I picked up this thought. How did we get this notion that somehow our kids are just going to get out of the tantrum phase as they get older? But you’re telling me it’s not going to get out of [inaudible 00:07:12]?
Dr. Leman: If tantrums are dealt with in the right way, they will come to pass, they’ll be gone. But what happens is, we’re very inconsistent, especially when kids are young. Kids do something and it’s really not great behavior, but it’s really cute and entertaining. We sit there, and giggle and laugh at it. Yet when the pastor is over to your home, and the son and daughter do the same thing, all of a sudden it’s not so funny. Do you see what I’m saying? So we’re rewarding the same behavior and then trying to extinguish the same behavior. So we’re being inconsistent.
Doug: If I’ve got this right, on the tantrum you’re saying, “You tell them, ‘I am very displeased about how you are behaving,’ and you remove them so they don’t get attention.” Is that right?
Dr. Leman: Right. It’s purposive behavior. The kid is saying through his behavior, “I’m an authority here. I’m calling the shots.” all you’re doing is saying, “No. Honey, we love you. But you know, you’re not calling the shots. We as parents have authority over you.” I remind every parent, “Your kid wouldn’t have a shirt on their back, or underwear on their bottom today, if you didn’t buy it for him.” So you have all the gold in your back pocket, you have all four aces in your back pocket. Exercise your authority in a non-authoritarian way, and you’ve got a good game plan for raising those kids.
Doug: When we come back, I want to make sure I get the ebook thing in here. I want to ask you, why would I want to do that? Maybe I’ll just deal with the tantrums. How has it helped my children to learn to stop having tantrums? But Have a New Husband by Friday, that’s only $2.99 between now and the end of January of 2021, and the Amazon review, Andrea?
Andrea: Yeah, I like this Amazon review. It’s from Irene in Germany. I actually had to use the ‘translate’ click button on Amazon because she had written her review in German. “Yay. Wow. I have known for a long time that man and woman tick differently, but the concrete examples told by Dr. Leman from his many years of practice have shown me that these differences are even more profound than I thought so far. Very helpful, easy-to read-guide for couples.”
Doug: If you want to know how to connect more with your husband and have that marriage relationship that you want, it is a fabulous book to look into the mind of a man. Get it now. Now, a no-nonsense parenting moment with Dr. Kevin Leman.
Dr. Leman: Okay, parents. Let me get your attention. Your 14-year-old daughter is all of a sudden interested in another 14-year-old, or let’s make it even worse, he’s 16. I can hear the chills running up your spine. Hey, let me give you an idea. We’re talking about dating. My suggestion is invite that kid over. You say to your daughter, “Honey, you’ve mentioned this Eric a lot of times. Why don’t you invite him over for a pizza some night? We’d love to meet him.” Just like that. Don’t make this bigger than it needs to be. Don’t make the proverbial mole hill into a mountain.
Dr. Leman: That way, you’re showing your daughter, or your son, that this home is also their home and that you’re willing to change to take these curve balls of life in stride. It does a great deal to increase the quality of your relationship with your son or daughter. The good news, a lot of these little early puppy-love type things, they have a lifespan of about three to six weeks. So be willing, make the suggestion. I’m not suggesting you leave them alone for four hours, but don’t hover and make a fool of yourself either. This is just a stage of life. You can handle this, parents. Now, do it.
Doug: Dr. Leman, why in the world would I go through all that effort of having to stop my child’s tantrum? How’s it going to help them, and how’s it going to help my parenting?
Dr. Leman: I think the best way to answer that, Doug, is it takes away the probability of your child growing up to be just self-centered. Again, most families bring kids up in such a way that kids see themselves as the center of the universe. Okay? Parents just try way, way, way too hard to make sure little Buford is happy at every turn. We’ve discussed that many times. That’s not the goal of parenting.
Dr. Leman: So you’re really helping… to answer your question… your child to develop a healthy self-esteem, which reflects in their mind that other people count too and, “This isn’t all about me.” So you’re preparing your young man to be a great husband. You’re preparing your young daughter to become a great wife to somebody. So it’s a no-loss proposition for you to exercise your authority in a healthy way.
Doug: Now, if I’m brutally honest, which I should be, is that even a value now, that you do have self-control? I don’t mean to be like old grouchy man, but does it even matter that I am trying to raise up kids that have self-control, or maybe a better way to say it is, versus I want them to love me, and I’m afraid that they won’t be attached to me if I separate them from me, and I’d rather have them love me then have self-control?
Dr. Leman: Yeah. That’s a very hedonistic viewpoint that many parents have. Take a look around our nation. You tell me, maybe I’m seeing things wrong. I don’t see people respecting each other. How about this one? Here’s a thought. How many of you are old enough to remember watching a newscast and not being able to tell what that newscaster’s political persuasion is? Anybody old enough to remember that? No, I’m just telling you that today we are polarized. We are a divided nation, politically, socially, racially. It’s not good. The center of that is that we are selfish. We think about ourselves. We don’t think about our neighbor, our community.
Doug: How will them not being selfish… when I think about it as a parent, I’m like, “Okay, how important is it to me that they don’t grow up selfish versus I want them to love them.” How will it help? You’re right, I should care about the nation, but how will it help them as an individual to not be so selfish?
Dr. Leman: I think in part I’ve answered that, that they understand that other people count in life. One, selfishness does not lend itself to somebody being a good citizen, a good partner, a good business partner, a good marriage partner. It’s what the world doesn’t need, is more selfishness.
Doug: Yeah. I would say even in our brief parenting experience, and we aren’t done yet, right? Our kids are getting closer to launch, but when my kids fully realized, like my 21-year-old realized, “Well, I can be super-selfish at times,” and dropped it, he came back a way more loving kid, and he seems way more relaxed and happy now. It’s crazy to me that learning not to be selfish is actually a blessing to us, even though it feels like it’s not. We’re so programmed to it be all about us.
Andrea: What you just said, though, is that the relationship is better-
Doug: Yeah.
Andrea: … when we do teach them to be not self-centered.
Doug: You’re right, Dr. Leman. I hate to say this, but even in Andrea and I’s marriage, it at times, you know how Andrea, she’s so selfish about everything, but… I’m kidding. I’m the one that’s usually the selfish one. When I’m not so selfish, our marriage gets better and my life gets better. It is a great value to teach us and we can start at three, helping them learn not to throw tantrums. So, reminder, go get Have a New Husband by Friday for $2.99 between now and the end of January of 2021. We love getting podcast questions. You can go to birthorderguide.com/podcastquestion. I think I gave the wrong address last time.
Dr. Leman: Hey Doug, there is one other thing I would add. For those of you who want the book in hand, okay? Here’s my suggestion. Ladies, go and buy that book. That book is for you to read, but just leave it somewhere in the house where your husband discovers the title, Have a New Husband by Friday. That ought to generate some good discussion in your home.
Doug: I know. I just told Andrea, that would freak me out. That would make me stand up and ask questions. That’s a great suggestion. Oh man. I do not like that idea. Okay. We’re doing this so you could add to your parenting toolbox, so you can love those kids more and more, birthorderguide.com/podcastquestion. Andrea, just say bye bye.
Andrea: Goodbye.
Doug: [crosstalk 00:16:46].
Andrea: Have a good week.
Doug: Have a great week. We look forward to the next night. Bye bye.
Andrea: Bye. Bye.
]]>Calling all wives: do you struggle with communicating with your husband? On this episode of Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast, Dr. Leman breaks down the do’s and don’ts of talking with your man.
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Dr. Leman: Andrea, I have a question for you. When was the last time you looked at your cute husband, Doug, and said, “Doug, I need you”?
Andrea: What? Am I supposed to tell him that? I can’t answer that question. I guess we need this podcast today.
Doug: Let me tell everybody what our topic is today. Our topic today is how would I communicate with the man I love? And, here’s a little bonus, it also works for your children, which is why we are doing this. Hi, I’m Doug Terpening.
Andrea: And I’m Andrea.
Doug: And we are so glad that you joined us today. If this happens to be your first time with us, I want to let you know this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. And if the subject matter raises any concerns for you or your child, please go seek a local professional for help.
Well, Dr. Leman, the short answer is never.
Dr. Leman: Okay. All right. I’m going to make a bold guess here. That the podcast that you’re about to hear is the best podcast that we have done in this marvelous, wonderful, exciting year. So I wonder how many women realize that their husband, more than anything else, needs to know and feel that he’s needed by the love of his life. And hopefully, ladies, that’s you.
Doug: So Dr. Leman, Andrea and I, this is going to shock you, we may have communication issues at times.
Andrea: At times.
Doug: At times. Not often. So why in the world would any woman say to a man-
Andrea: I need you.
Dr. Leman: Because that’s basically what a man needs to feel. He has to feel and experience the need from you that he’s needed in your life. Again, keep in mind that we live in a society where women have been taught, in some circles, statements like this. A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle. We’re in a man bashing society. Men are written off as buffoons who apparently don’t have a lot of feelings, because we know that most men are not talkers. But there’s reasons why men don’t talk. It’s because women have a very difficult time, even though they’re great communicators, they’re great communicators with their girlfriends, with people in general. They’re thoughtful. They’re always saying things to other people like, “Well, thank you for asking.” They are tuned in to relationship talk. But they miss the mark when it comes to talking to their husband.
Now, some people are thinking, well, wait a minute, Leman. You just said that my husband needs to feel needed more than anything else. And I say, yes, that’s true. Well, what about respect? I’ve always heard that my husband wants to be respected. All right. Why don’t you put that litmus test into your life today? Ask your husband, ask that man in your life, “Honey, what’s more important, to be respected or to be needed?”
Andrea: What’s more important, to be respected or feel needed?
Doug: Oh, I’d rather be needed here than respected.
Andrea: Really? Can you describe the difference?
Doug: Yeah, because needed is a form of respect. It’s the highest form of resect, in a sense that if I am not needed around here, fine, I’ll go. I think probably the easiest way for me to describe it is I have all this stuff within me I want to produce and I want to do, and I want to be a part of something. But if I’m not needed, I’ll either turn incredibly selfish and just take care of myself or I’ll go to work where I’m needed.
Dr. Leman: Right. And here’s the rub on that, Doug. Men identify largely with what they do for a living. So it’s easy for a man to say, “Exit stage right. I’m out of here.” And not only can he put all of his emotional thoughts and efforts into work because it pays off. You get promotions, you get raises. It’s real easy to do.
The other thing it’s real easy to do is fall prey to the woman at work who just simply says to you, Doug, “Wow. I love your sweater. That is a good looking sweater.” Now, you don’t know the woman. And you’re at the water cooler. And you say, “Well, thank you very much.” And you get back to your office and you’re thinking, who the heck was that woman? Wow. She was a looker. Now, I’m telling you on good authority that affairs in marriage start, start, over little things like that. And when a man’s needs are not being met, and I’m telling you loud and clear that your husband, ladies, needs to feel needed by you. And quite frankly, so many of you have already prioritized and you’ve shown him daily that the people who really matter to you are the children that we brought into this marriage. Because the children come first, and your husband is put in second, third, or fourth place. That’s one of the reasons why marriages are in such trouble today.
So again, you have to understand your husband needs to be wanted and he needs to feel needed. Wanted and needed is right up there. Well, where is respect? Well, if you want to separate wanted and needed, then respect, in my opinion, falls in third place. Because respect is important. But I thought Doug Terpening said it best, that respect is part of feeling needed.
Now, these thoughts come from a wonderful little book. I have to tell you, certain books are just more fun to do than others, but I had so much fun writing the book, Have a New Husband By Friday. If you haven’t read that book, I’m telling you, it’s a life changer. And the feedback we got on that book is unbelievable. Don’t take my word for it. Go to Amazon, read the reviews on Have a New Husband By Friday. It’s a counterculture book that scratches where women itch. They’re looking for significance in their relationship and they don’t know why they can’t find it. They can’t understand why their husband, Doug, will not answer the question that they just asked.
Well, segue way to point two. Us men and your male children hate questions. It puts us on a defensive immediately. We’ve talked about that in another podcast and we’ll talk about it today, because it’s really important for you to understand that the words you choose, ladies, are the keys that will unlock the mind and heart of your husband. Men are very susceptible to touch. Are there men who don’t like being touched, Dr. Leman? Yes, there are. That’s a whole nother issue.
Doug: Ever since you told us that, I’ve tried to tell Andrea that’s her secret weapon. That if she wants to get me to stay calm and listen to her, put your arm on my shoulder or on my knee and say, “Hey, Honey. What do you think about blah?” And you’ll keep my attention.
Andrea: That’s good, but keep reminding me of that.
Dr. Leman: This plays into the nature of man. A man loves to provide. Do women provide? Yes, many women make more money than men, so don’t send me a snarky email about that. A man, if you’re a man that really loves this woman, you want to be a helpmate. You want to be a team member of the marriage. You don’t want to just stand and watch. You don’t say, “Well, that’s woman’s work.” You roll up your sleeves and get it done. But my point is that us men, if you’re a real man, you want to please your wife. You want to please your wife sexually, emotionally, practically, you name it. We always talk about women being pleasers. In fact, I wrote a best selling book years ago called The Pleasers: Women Who Can’t Say No and the Men Who Control Them. Look it up. It was a national best seller. So I’m just telling you on good authority, we’re missing the boat on thinking respect is number one in a man’s mind. It’s needed and wanted, followed closely by respect.
Doug: So to give a real life story about this, and then I better talk about the ebook so I don’t forget it. So Andrea and I, shocker, have a long-standing issue in our marriage that’s been here for quite a few years, 10 plus years. And just in the last couple months, actually, we were in the middle of a discussion with elevated voices maybe, and a little bit of edge to the voices. And she said, “I can’t do this without you. And I’m afraid that if you don’t do X, then I won’t be able to do…” And it really helped me. She didn’t say I need you, but she implied that. And I was like, oh. A, now I understand why we fight about it, and B, if you really need me around here, then I’ll fix it. I’ll get it done. Not like I’m going to jump in and shove you out of the way, but now it’s like, oh, okay. Now I understand and now I’m engaged. It was very interesting. It totally 100% changed this fight that we’ve had for 10 years. So real life example.
Before I ask my next question, it’s fabulous, timing is wonderful. So Dr. Leman already referenced it. And if you want, you can get for ebook Have a New Husband By Friday for a mere $2.99 cents between January 14th and the end of January of 2021. So January 14th of 2021 to the end of January 31 of 2021, wherever ebooks are sold. Yes, Andrea, go for it.
Andrea: So I looked up some Amazon reviews on this book, and I will read this one. This book points to the fact that we, as women, must do things different in order to get our partner to behave differently. I like this book because it shows us women that even though our actions may not be the deplorable ones in the relationship, it is still our actions that can directly control those deplorable actions. There is a lesson to be learned in this book about how we can discreetly get closer to our ideal husband and children by simply stating boundaries and following through with what we say we are going to do. Highly recommended.
Doug: So get it now, between January 14th and end of January 31st of 2021, wherever ebooks are sold. And now a no nonsense parenting moment with Dr. Kevin Leman.
Dr. Leman: If I had to grade parents in the US and Canada, I’m going to throw you Canadians in as well, I think I’d give you, on a one to 10 scale with 10 being the highest, I think I’d give you a three. I really don’t think most parents do a good job of parenting. They shirk the responsibility to stand in healthy authority. They’re afraid to say no. And so many of you, you want to be your child’s best friend, you want to be their buddy. Your kid doesn’t need best friend in you. They have best friends. But the point is the parent who always wants their kid to be their buddy is the parent that always wants their kid happy. They’re going to do far too many things for kids that kids should be doing for themselves. Read Have a New Kid By Friday, read Planet Middle School, read The Birth Order Book. By the way, ladies, you want to check out Have a New Husband By Friday. I love that book.
Doug: Alrighty, Dr. Leman. So in the title of this episode, we say that this is how you communicate with the men you love, but then you told us that it works with our kids also. How does this also work with our kids?
Dr. Leman: Well, here’s the question. How many of you have done things or haven’t done things that allow your kids to step up, do things for you, for the family, for their brother or sister? Where’s the takeaway in your family for a kid to say, “My family needs me. My mom needs me. My dad needs me”? if you’re doing everything for your kids, they’re just riding free. They got a free lunch ticket. Everything’s taken care of for them. Where do they get the message that I am competent, that I’m a contributor? Do you see what I’m saying? And by the way, young boys, Mom, they don’t appreciate your questions. You tend to remind them to be careful a little bit too much, stuff like that, it weakens a kid’s self-esteem. So think of your sons as future husbands, if that’ll help you. They need to feel needed and wanted.
My question to you is what happens in your life daily with your son or your daughter that provides them an opportunity to give back to the family? Most of us, I think, fail that test. Now, you guys up there living in a rural community, and I know for a fact your kids have been in 4H, which is a wonderful organization, they’ve had many an opportunity to be engaged and to help family and be part of family projects. I know you guys pretty good by now, and so that shouldn’t be a huge issue in your family. But the propensity on the part of the woman in the family, the mom in the family, is for her to do far too much for the children that they could be doing for themselves.
Andrea: Well, just listening to you talk, Dr. Leman, I’m convicted of how I have been treating my boys lately. So this is a super good reminder for me that it’s not just about my husband, but my 21 year old and my 17 year old sons particularly. Am I telling them I need them, or am I asking them those questions and still trying to mommy them?
Dr. Leman: Well, it’s your nature, Andrea, as a mom, to do the things you just fessed up to. So again, we’re fighting our own nature. Men don’t like to talk, and I’m encouraging men to talk. But I’m saying for a man to really talk and share, he needs to feel like he’s in a non-threatened position.
Doug: The reason that I love doing these podcasts and why I encourage all of you to read the books is that so much of what we talk about is counterculture to what we’re currently said is the way to raise our kids. And I can’t remember when we started this, 100 years ago, you said to us, “Sit down with your kids sometime and tell them you need their help to run this house.” And I thought, oh my gosh, that’s going to freak our kids out and it’s going to make them feel bad. We did it, and I think it was a year or two ago. I’m like, “Kids, do you feel like we put too much on you?” And they were like, “No. We love knowing that you need us to run this place.” And then our kids said, “And by the way, when we’re gone, you’re totally going to fail because you won’t be able to run this place without us.”
Andrea: They said to us, “You’re going to be in such trouble when we’re all gone.”
Doug: Which is great.
Dr. Leman: I love it. I love it.
Andrea: The other night, James came home from work. And he works outdoors right now, so he’s out in the mud and the cold. And we were raking leaves, breaking them onto tarps and dragging them out into the tree to dump them off and get them out of the front yard. And it was dark and it was cold, and as he was walking in from his car, he said, “Do you need me to help you before I go inside and get showered off?” I was so appreciative that he actually saw that. And I think he wanted that sense of being a part of the family and being needed.
Doug: So now when I think about husbands and wives, if my wife sat me down and said, “Hey, I need you to be able to do blah blah blah,” you’re right. You have my undivided attention. Undivided attention.
Andrea: Well, I can think of a few things I could say I need you for, Honey. So when we get done with this podcast, let’s talk.
Doug: Well, Dr. Leman, even as you say that, I think it’s funny that we always joke about how I’ve got another honey do list. But we often complain about the very things that we love, don’t we?
Andrea: How is it different than the, quote unquote, honey do list? How could it come across differently? Because I think that’s a really good point
Dr. Leman: Because when a husband takes the initiative. My wife said to me two nights ago, “Don’t forget the pizza box.” Because we had had a pizza and she put it out in the garage. I said, “Honey, I’m way ahead of you. I took it out yesterday.” Whenever you are on top of your game and you notice things that have to be done.
I’ll tell you a funny story. My wife tells it better than me. But she was fed up with me not picking up after myself, and she put a banana on the floor of our family room, which you enter our kitchen through, if that makes sense. And she sat there having a cup of coffee, and she got just the right angle so we couldn’t see her, but she could see us. She reported that the kids came by and looked at the banana peel on the floor. All of them looked at it. They slowed down, looked at it, and kept walking. But she said, “But you,” meaning me, she said, “You walked by, stopped, kicked it to the side, and kept going.” So am I perfect? No.
But let me share something with you. I’ve got two daughters that are in their 40s, I have a daughter that’s in her early 30s, I have a daughter that’s in her mid-20s. During this podcast, they have tried to call me three times. We are a very close family. Hey, you want a family where your kids are going to call you, where they want to engage you, where they run things by you on occasion? Where you have an honest, good, ongoing relationship that’s always based on mutual respect, love, and a lot of fun in your life? If you do, pay attention to things we talk about on this podcast. We are living proof, the Lemans are, and the Terpenings are well on their way with their four children. They’ve seen the fruits of developing a home like this. We’ve seen it throughout our whole life. Our teenage years were a breeze with our kids. We breezed through those things.
I hear horror stories every day about what’s happening in families across US and Canada and around the world.
So anyway, we hope you enjoyed the podcast. We want to come across to you as real parents, not perfect parents. But we hope that you’ll use these things we talk about and put them in your parental toolbox, as Doug Terpening likes to call it, and just help you become a better parent.
Andrea: Dr. Leman, thank you so much for this podcast. I really appreciate just the really strong reminder that our men don’t want us to ask them questions, but they really want to feel needed and be told that they’re needed. And that that’s something us women need to remember, that telling them that they’re needed will bring their eyes home and make them want to help out, and it’s a better way to communicate. So thanks.
Doug: And touch them.
Andrea: And touch them.
Doug: Often. Okay, I’ll stop. Alrighty. Well, we hope you enjoyed today’s podcast. We’re doing this so we can add to your parenting toolbox and you’re going to love those kiddos more and more.
Andrea: Have a great week.
Doug: Take care.
Andrea: Bye-bye.
Doug: Bye-bye.
]]>It’s time for another Ask Dr. Leman: “My 17-year-old ran away from home and won’t come back, because of her dad. What do I do?” Listen in to find out Dr. Leman’s response on this episode of Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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Doug: Welcome to the first episode of 2021,8 it is so great to be with you. And today we get a question we have never, ever, ever had, it’s like the new year off. It’s from Canada, and it’s about a 17-year-old that ran away from home and won’t come back. What can we do as parents? Hi, I’m Doug Terpening.
Andrea: I’m Andrea.
Doug: And we are so glad that you are with us today. And if this happens to be your first time I want to let you know this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or a child, please go seek a local professional for help. Dr. Leman, I don’t do this very often anymore, but do you guys have any new year’s traditions like on New Year’s Eve or the New Year’s Day?
Dr. Leman: New years has always been about family at our home. And even as a high school student I remember going over to my older cousins house, I mean, he had a family so he was quite a bit older than me but he was a first cousin. And my mom and dad were over there and they were sitting around. I remember they had ham and cheese sandwiches and desserts and some other extended family was there. And I actually enjoyed, I mean, I was 16, 17 years old and I enjoyed hanging out with family back in those days. So we’ve always just sort of stayed close, never gone out to big party, never thought that was great. Never had a desire to go to New York City and watch the ball drop or something like that, so it was just sort of a quiet transition into the new year. On many occasion we went to church on New Year’s Eve as well.
Doug: Awesome. Well, we have a very Andrea sweet tradition here that we make tea and cucumber…
Andrea: Cucumber sandwiches. We have a tea party.
Doug: We have a tea party?
Andrea: Yes.
Doug: And then Andrea brings out what happened in the last year and we reminisce with the kids.
Andrea: Oh, well, we make a list every year. So we have the things that we hope to do as a family and then we get to pull that old list out, check off the things that we did do laugh about them and then make a new list for the coming year.
Dr. Leman: Good for you, that sounds good. Wow, that’s a good suggestion.
Doug: Well, now let’s jump into Carol’s question here. Here we go, here’s Carol.
Carol: Hi, Dr. Leman. My name is Carol, I live in Northern Ontario, Canada. Two months ago my husband and I were shocked when we came home one day to find that our 17-year-old daughter had left home. We have two daughters, the older one’s 19 and she’s in the university and the younger daughter’s in her final semester of high school and planning on going to university this fall. We found out she went to live at a friend’s house not far from our home. The past six months have been difficult because my husband has cancer. There’s been several arguments between them so she left a note and said she needed to leave because my husband’s an angry guy and she can no longer live with his anxiety.
Carol: This perception is not ours but I know you’ve said that perception is reality. The communication between us is limited to occasional emails. We miss her dearly. My husband has gotten some help for his anger issues and we’d like to repair the relationship and any advice that you can give us would be appreciated. We’ve been reading your books and listened to many of your podcasts, but we don’t feel like we have any aces in our back pocket since in Canada she is allowed to leave home at age 17 and her university will be covered by the government. Any advice would be appreciated, thank you.
Dr. Leman: I want to start with the fact that you do have a couple of aces in your back pocket. Now, you don’t think you do but you do. She’s 17, she needs her dad, she needs her mom. I get it, dad’s angry, I’m glad he’s getting some help, but I just want to go to your 17-year-old for a second. When they leave home they end up living with a friend. Now, the natural progression in life when someone new comes to your home and you’ve got a 17-year-old in your home that isn’t your child that tends to run its course. Somebody is paying for feeding this kid. This kid is probably your daughter is swapping clothes with her girlfriend if they’re about the same size to have a change in this or that.
Dr. Leman: You have an occasional email and maybe a occasional phone call, both of those are aces in your back pocket and you need to play them now. Yes, I understand in Canada you can’t get the authorities involved, and by the way I wouldn’t suggest that anyway. I would suggest to you that she’s going to come home. I’ll bet you one of those loonies or maybe even a toonie that she will come home if you do absolutely nothing, no emails, no phone calls, no cards, notta.
Dr. Leman: That may not seem difficult to some people, let me assure you that’s probably as a tough as assignment is I could give to Carol. Because every motherly instinct in her says, “I want my daughter home. I don’t want her living apart from me. I miss her, I love her,” et cetera, all understandable. But if you can discipline yourself, Carol, to not picking up that phone, to not emailing her, what you’re beginning to put into your daughter’s mind is wonder, not a positive wonder a negative wonder of, “How come I haven’t heard from mom? I wonder what’s going on. I wonder if dad’s okay.”
Dr. Leman: Let those seeds fester, let them take root for a while and see what happens. My guess is she’s going to come home, and when she comes home, the first one, the greeter is not you Carol but dad with open arms and an apology following up with, “Honey, I’ve even been getting some help. I think I’m doing better and I realized that I said things in anger that have caused you angst.” So that’s my prescription for my friend from Northern Ontario, which is a beautiful province.
Dr. Leman: And by the way, Carol, I think you probably know this from reading my books. I live along the border of Ontario in the summertime and it’s such a beautiful place I’m so sorry because of COVID-19 that we haven’t been able to get into Canada and you lovely Canadians haven’t been able to migrate down to the U.S. either, so hopefully that’s going to change real quickly. All right, well, God bless you, I thank you for the question. And now we’ll go to our resident doctors and see what they have to say.
Andrea: Well, you’re right when you say that’s got to be the hardest assignment you can give her because that would just eat at me. And how long do you think she’s going to have to maintain that stance or they of not communicating, reaching out to their daughter before they’re going to hear something?
Dr. Leman: I don’t think it will be very long, depending upon how many times she is emailed her or talk with her. If she’s done that like on a weekly basis, let’s say, now that we’re just guessing here folks, okay? Just so you know. But let’s just say there’s an email one week or maybe a phone call the next week, that kind of limited. I would say somewhere between four and six weeks you can expect a knock on the door if for no other reason, curiosity. But again, dad is the one who greets her. If you see her coming you get dad up and he gets to greet her and say his piece.
Doug: What about the dad’s anger issue? Did that really push her? Is that too much that she’s just grown cold to the family?
Dr. Leman: Well, she’s the baby of the family, the older daughter’s already in university so I’m guessing that the first born is rather rural-oriented and the second born, the one she’s calling about is probably a very free-spirited person, very independent. So it doesn’t surprise me in times of turmoil that she might just take off. But again, almost all kids who take off come back, that’s what you have to understand. Someone they take off their, their life ends tragically. When you leave the comfort of your home you are putting yourself at risk. But like I say, and Andrea echoed it, that’s tough advice but if you can do that, Carol, that is the best way to get that daughter to be knocking on your door.
Andrea: Now, I’m the mom and if I know whose home she’s staying at can I talk to that mom and be like, “Okay, Sandra’s her friend, I’m going to call Sandra’s mom and say, ‘Okay, how is she doing? We’re doing this, we’re not talking to her, but can you fill me in?”
Dr. Leman: Yeah, I was going to give you the mother of the year award again, you’re so much a mom you can’t help it. Yeah, I would tell you this, if you knew that parent and you had a relationship with that parent where you knew it wouldn’t be violated I would bless your sneaky behind-Dr. Leman’s-eyes behavior. But… and I get it, I understand. But if she blows it and you really don’t know her and she said, “By the way your mother called,” you know what your daughter is going to do? She’s going to roll her eyes and go, “Oh.” So you just gone back. If you want to push yourself back a month that’s the way to do it. Like I said that the best thing to do is just button it up, lay low.
Doug: I’m the resident dance between the three of you. You guys love to point out that fact. I know you already talked about it but this seems to go against every rational thought I would have about how to make my kid know I want them to come back.
Dr. Leman: All right, give me a list. You guys think right now about what Doug’s saying. Doug’s saying, “Wait a minute, this goes against everything I would think of to try to get my daughter back.” What would be the things that you guys would do? You be the mythical couple, you don’t have to be the Terpenings, just you be Carol and her husband. What are the things that you’d like to do that you think would bring her back?
Doug: I know that we would sit down and find a beautiful, pretty card with flowers on it and write a super thoughtful note about how we love her and miss her and wish she’d come back. I’d probably send her favorite food or dessert and tell her how much I miss her.
Dr. Leman: Okay. Do you have another bad ideas?
Andrea: What about a meal at a restaurant honey? Where we can just meet up with her and we could say, “We want to take you out to breakfast at your favorite spot or dinner or whatever and let’s just talk about what’s going on in our family and…”
Doug: There you go. Okay, there’s our ideas, Dr. Leman.
Dr. Leman: Okay. I’m still chuckling. You guys just have so much love and compassion in your heart you can’t help it, that’s all there is to it. But no, it’s not going to help. She needs to experience the loss of her family. You poured 17 years into this kid’s lives, okay? And now she has to experience. And sometimes when you first get away, guess what? I’m free at last, I’m free at last. And then you find out that home you’re living in, guess what? Mom and dad don’t always get along. Or you find out that dad’s an alcoholic, or maybe, God forbid, he approaches you in a very unacceptable way.
Dr. Leman: I mean, a lot of things that can happen when you’re in someone else’s home, you never know what’s going on in somebody else’s home, trust me, till you be there. Sometimes life just unfurls before the 17-year-old and she says, “Man, I want to get out of here, I want to go home.” So is it tough? It’s very tough. Like I said it’s the toughest assignment I could give Carol. But when she says that we’re out of aces, she’s not, she got a couple in her back pocket.
Doug: So you’re saying that by us being silent and not engaging her the reality of where she’s living will become apparent that eventually the bad that’s in that family will become annoying and now she’s stuck between two worlds?
Dr. Leman: It hurries up the process by not engaging her in any way.
Doug: What is it going to take for her to go like, “Huh, I guess I got to…” Because I got to imagine coming back to the house is going to be tough. How does that process happen?
Dr. Leman: Well, I think the 17-year-old is going to have to eat a little crow dug. She thought she knew everything at 17. How many adults have you talked to that said, “Boy, I thought I knew everything at 17?
Doug: True.
Dr. Leman: Well, she’s going away to the university and the university is going to pay for her schooling. Who’s going to pay for her food, her transportation? If you follow the prescription and you play your cards right, you hasten the probability of her turning around and coming home.
Doug: When we come back I’m going to also bring up one of your favorite phrases and see if it applies. But Andrea is pointing, “Doug, don’t forget what you always do.” Is that the new opportunity to add to your printing toolbox is an ebook called Under the Sheets, between now and the end of December 31st of 2021 for a $1.99. Dr. Leman, that doesn’t sound much like a parenting book, what is that look about?
Dr. Leman: That is a hottie book, okay? That book will say things that you will blush when you read. If you have any voyeuristic tendencies where you want to look into other people’s sex lives this is the book for you. It’s a book that I felt needed to be written. It talks turkey. God created us as sexual beings unfortunately the world has perverted sex beyond belief. And this is a good, honest, straightforward, and a more than interesting discussion about what happens in your home under the sheets.
Doug: So to help you and the reason it applies to parenting is that if you lose your marriage you just made parenting a bazillion times harder and this is a real issue that lots of couples deal with. And so I appreciate you, Dr. Leman, writing a hard book to help us keep our marriage together to make parenting better. So between now and the end of January of 2021, we have our eBooks sold $1.99. And now, a no nonsense moment with Dr. Leman.
Dr. Leman: Your son or daughter needs her own space in your home. And I know many of you have more kids than you have bedrooms. But if there’s a way to creatively give your son or daughter their own space I vote for that. Hey, Leman, that costs money. I know, I get it. Some of you physically have to deal with that. I have talked to some people who grew up in a den of nine, 10, 11, kids. One man I know very, very well slept with his two brothers in a queen-size bed, three of them and there were nine kids in the family. So I realized those things are there. And by the way that young man I was talking about is very, very successful in life. Many of us who are successful didn’t have much in terms of material. But my point about their own room is, kids need a place to identify, “This is my space, this is my home.” Any way you can work that out, make it happen because it’s good for your son, good for your daughter.
Doug: Dr. Leman, this makes me think of the phrase, and I butcher all your phrases so I apologize, but I’ve already admitted I’m the dense. Andrea is laughing at it already. Without a relationship we have…
Andrea: Nothing.
Doug: So what does that mean here? For this couple here, without a relationship with their daughter they have nothing.
Dr. Leman: Well, life’s all about relationships. I stole Josh McDonald saying, “Rules without relationship leads to rebellion.” Everything’s based upon relationship. In the sports world they call it team chemistry. I’m always talking to our teachers at Leman Academy of Excellence to use the cell phone to call home of the scholar. And it’s a 90-second phone call, but it just says, “Little Michael’s new to our school. This year I see he’s really done well in the classroom. I see him on the playground, he seems to be in the middle of about everything. From my end he’s really doing great. Here’s my cell phone. If there’s anything that comes up you want to talk to me about I’m all ears.”
Dr. Leman: Well, you be the parent. How do you feel when you get that kind of a call from school? You’ll say, “Wow, that Leman school is something. They really give a rip about our kid.” It starts building a relationship. Parents, your kids are not pawns, they’re not property, you don’t own them and you have to have a relationship with each of them. And you will have a relationship with each of them, you will. The question is, is it a healthy, good relationship or is it a destructive relationship or somewhere in between?
Doug: And the reason I bring it up is I think for Carol and other parents out there that have guilt over their kids that have severed their relationship or whatever, that without a relationship we treat them so poorly that it really helps me to think like if we don’t have a relationship, I’m not put on this earth to serve you. That actually, if you don’t have a relationship with me I can make it and therefore my actions correspond with that. So Carol, we ache for you, we ache for every parent that ever has anybody that runs away. We thank you, Carol, for having the guts to ask the question, you sound like an amazing mom. It sounds like you guys are trying to do all the right things. I hope this really helps you so that your daughter will come back and that you guys can repair that relationship and just have a sweet, sweet, sweet situation.
Andrea: Yeah. And I hope that if there’s other people out there that are walking through the same thing that this is helpful to them because Dr. Leman said things I didn’t expect.
Doug: Again?
Andrea: Yeah. Well, thank you for being with us so you can add your parenting toolbox and as always we love these questions. You can go to drleman.com/podcastquestions and you can leave your question right there and we’d love to answer. We look forward to the next time, tend that toolbox so you can love those kids more and more.
Doug: Bye-bye, have a good week.
Andrea: Have a great one, bye.
]]>Is it healthy for a child to be unhappy especially when it comes to discipline? Find out more on today’s episode of Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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Doug: An unhappy child is a healthy child. No, no, don’t run away. Don’t run away. Please stay. Stay, stay, stay. I’ll say it again. An unhappy child is a healthy child is the phrase that turned my parenting around and you need to hear why.
Hi, I’m Doug Terpening.
Andrea: And I’m Andrea.
Doug: And we are so glad that we are here and I am so excited for you to be blessed and grow in your parenting. If this happens to be your first time, welcome. I want to let you know this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or a child, please go seek a local professional for help.
Well, Dr. Leman, I have to say that this was a little bit selfish on my part. This is the last recording of 2020 and I got all nostalgic and all that la la la kind of stuff at the end of the year. And I was just reminiscing back when I heard you talk for the first time in Dallas, Texas at the conference and you got up and said, “An unhappy child is a healthy child.” And I thought, what? And then you just made me laugh the rest of the time as I realized that what you said was right. And I bought the book and changed our parenting and we love our kids now and have a ball with them. This is, thank you, thank you, thank you for writing the books. Thank you for speaking. I know I’m not supposed to do this on air, but I’m going to do it anyways because we have an amazing time with our kids.
For everybody else that’s listening that wasn’t at that conference to hear you speak, help us. What does it mean when we say, “An unhappy child is a healthy child?” And why is that good for us as a parent?
Dr. Leman: Well, first of all, in our culture today, we are driven toward making sure our kids are happy at every turn. We give them far too many things in most of our homes. Now again, I’m very aware in many homes, parents don’t have much to give to their children, certainly materialistically, but I’m talking about giving kids love and acceptance and a sense of belonging and a sense of competence. Those are really important things that kids learn about themselves. When you realize that there’s times in life where a kid is disrespectful, dishonest, bratty, you name it, there is nothing wrong with them being unhappy at that point. They should be unhappy. They deserve to be unhappy. They deserve not to go to where they thought they were going. They deserve not to get the $5 for doing the job that she or he did not do. They can be downright miserable. They can be really unhappy.
What they don’t have the right to do is be downright miserable and unhappy in front of you because certain kids, especially powerful kids will make the entire family unhappy because they’re unhappy. I’m saying there’s something very healthy about an unhappy child. The good parent, really just a function of their job is to make sure that their son or daughter is very unhappy at times because the disapproval of the parent is really important to help shape the will and spirit of a child. We’re not a ATM machine where they just come punch it up and we give them things. But we are in authority over our children. And authority is a very bad word in our society today. We live in a time now where we want to just dump the police. We have little respect for authority. We have little respect for people’s property.
Take a look around. 2020 has not been the greatest year for a lot of different reasons. Life isn’t perfect. You get thrown curve balls from time to time. But our job is to train up a child. And by the way, most of us don’t train up children. We train down children. We just nitpick at them. Put them down. We’re not talking about that kind of unhappiness. We’re talking about unhappiness that’s a direct result of their behavior, of their words. When they’re unhappy and they’re wailing like a stuck pig, just tell yourself you’re being a good parent and keep moving forward.
Andrea: I like that. At the end they’re unhappy because of a result of something that they’ve done. I think that’s a good way of summarizing it.
Doug: The reason this phrase is so powerful though, is what you started off with, which is that we want our kids to be happy, happy, happy. Where does that come from, this overarching culture that our kids always have to be happy?
Dr. Leman: Well, I think it starts when that baby’s placed in mommy’s arms at birth or maybe you’ve adopted your child. And the first time that you laid eyes on them and you fall in love with that little guy or little girl. They’re yours. It’s the enormous responsibility and they’re downright pretty helpless. They can’t feed themselves. They can’t walk. They can’t do a lot of things and so the nurturing process takes over of mothering and fathering and to the extent of, I don’t care if you are 14, stand still, I’m going to tie your shoes. We have parents just over indulge their children. And I’ve mentioned several times on our podcast because it’s so ridiculous, those stars in Hollywood who paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to get their college age students in the right college. Really? Are you really that stupid parent? I don’t care how much money you got. You’re just flat out dumb. That’s somehow supposed to help their child.
Parents’ perceptions of what is a good parent today are myopic. They’re crazy. They’re way out of line. And you got parents who want to be their child’s best friend from morning till night. Well, I got news for you parents, your kid will develop their own friendships with kids their own age. You want to be a good friend to your child, then discipline them with love. That’d be a good first step. Keep in mind parents, your kids are going to live up to the expectations that you give to your children. Well, what are your expectations? Are they way too high? There are some parents that have way too high expectations for kids. There are parents who have no expectations for kids. They just sort of grow up on their own. There’s parents who are wise, who know the right time to say, “Hey, have a seat. You and I need to have a little talk.” And in that talk, you share your, what? Your love for your child, but you show your uneasiness or your concern about things you see in your child’s life.
And like Andrea said last time, when you reprimand a kid and you set them straight, usually kids will come around. Great kids will come around and say, “Mom, I’m sorry. Thanks for what you did. I love you.” Because kids do not like it when you’re unhappy with their behavior. Not to split hairs too far, but you always love your children, but you don’t have to love what they do. You don’t have to love their running off at the mouth or their greedy behavior or their disrespectful behavior. When you call them on it the kids usually again, will come around and say one form or another, “Thanks.”
Doug: Now that we’ve got bigger kids that are out on their own and cutting their own path, what has become incredibly apparent is that if there is one thing that I could go back and change in my parenting, well, there’s always hope for things is that I wanted my children to avoid pain as much as possible and I didn’t even realize I was doing it. But what I realized is once my kids leave my house, if I haven’t put into them the ability to deal with hard things and be unhappy, they’re going to crumble when they’re out there because the world is not going to treat them like I treat them. And I’m so glad that we’ve started to help our kids understand, you got to develop a, oh, what’s the muscle?
Andrea: Psychological muscles. I love that phrase.
Doug: What is a psychological muscle? Because it’s one of our favorite phrases.
Dr. Leman: Well, I invented that term and it seems to me, like you said that life isn’t always the way you want it to be. You’re going to get cut from the basketball team. You’re not get that part that you just know you earned in the play at high school. I’m now thinking of older kids and the disappointments are going to come. The downsizing in your kid’s company and they’re just starting off and they just got their bachelor’s degree at the local university, they got their first job and they’re there six months into it and COVID-19 arrives and they get laid off.
The psychological muscles, I think is built over time by learning to handle the small disappointments of life one disappointment at a time. And as that child succeeds in dealing with it and realizing it’s not the end of the world, it’s not failure, it just means we’re going to change course and go in a different direction, that they build psychological muscle for bigger hurts, bigger curve balls that surely await all of us in life. To me, it’s just part of growing up, taking your lumps, learning that you’re not always going to win. And again, we have parents who are just driven to make sure their kids win even if it means they do something illegal or way out of line to help their children succeed.
Doug: Well and this is why I do this podcast quite frankly, is that the culture out there is telling us not to do this with our children and in my opinion, and these resources that we keep telling you about, I hope you realize, oh, I don’t have to be a tyrant. As you say, Dr. Lehman, you don’t want to go to either extreme. And these books give you the format to do that, but it is super hard to buck our culture. It is so difficult, which is why I’m going to jump in right now and say, there’s one of the best books, the book that started this all, Have a New Kid by Friday for $2 and 99 cents. You only have a few days after this is released to get it. I realized that between now and the end of December of 2020, wherever eBooks are sold. But even if the ebook is over with, we should go get this book. It is so easy and quick to read. This is like, sit down with a cup of coffee twice and you have read it kind of a thing.
Andrea: And it’s fun.
Doug: Laughter, joking. If you go to Amazon and read the reviews, you’ll be like, wow, the New York Times bestseller. Go get it. If you are not a reader or if your husband is not a reader, go to drleman.com and you can get the DVD series for 25 bucks. Watch it with him, get popcorn and ice cream for him, laugh with Dr. Lehman as he’s in his sweaters and do it. And you will be so thankful that you and him can be on the same page and you and him going to have common language or you and her going to have common language. Either way. Go get the book and you’ll be blessed. And now a no nonsense parenting moment with Dr. Kevin Leman.
Dr. Leman: You know parents, you ever get to that point where you’re in a conversation with your son or your daughter and you really don’t know what to say. You’re just sort of angry and disturbed and frustrated and you just don’t know which way to turn. Let me give you a pocket answer so you can say something. Just a simple, wow. Hey, tell me more about that. Well then I’m going to get more of that from my son. Yeah, you will. But it’s much better to say, “Tell me more about that,” maybe a couple times so you really get a clear understanding of where your son or daughter is coming from. And then, a simple, “Honey, you’ve given me a lot to think about. Hey, would you mind if we continue this discussion tomorrow? I think I’d really like time to take this all in and sort of figure it out because I really want to know what your perspective is because you know what? You’re important to me and I love you.”
Andrea: Dr. Leman, I love what you commented on earlier when you said we want to shoot for our kids to have love, acceptance, belonging, competence, that those are things that we want to build into our kids. How does that go along with this idea of unhappy kids?
Dr. Leman: Every parent ought to accept their kid for who they are. Number one, is different from number two. You have kids from 21 to 15 if I’m thinking right. Each of them have unique qualities that make them who they are. Accepting your kids in a kid’s mind is my mom and dad have my back. They encourage me. They like me the way I am. Your kids not only feel accepted, but your kids feel that they belong to the Terpening family. We heard Doug say, “Our kids as old as they are, they like us. They like hanging out with us old people.”
And then the C part is really important. You want every kid to feel competent. Well, how does a kid learn to feel competent? It means they try new things in life as they grow older and they get good at some things and they tend to follow whatever they’re good at. They’ll build on that. That being said, what happens when you poured this stuff into a kid and all of a sudden the 15 year old is running off in her mouth? Or the 17 all of a sudden is downright defiant and disrespectful? What do you do? Do you say, “Well, boys are boys. Kids are kids,” and walk away? No, you go after it, you straighten it out. You say, “Hey, I’m very unhappy what’s going down here.”
In the classroom I have seven charter schools. In the classroom I’m always telling our teachers, it’s called relational discipline. Let that scholar know that you’re unhappy with what just went down there in that classroom. Give them the look. Kids don’t like it. Young kids, older kids, they actually want to please adults. And so keep in mind parent that these kids really want to please you. And so once in a while, you just got to sort of rein them in a little bit and whether it’s the look or sage words of advice or wisdom or flat out discipline or sometimes pulling the rug out from underneath them to get their attention, you maintain your position of being an authority over your children and they will rise up and call you blessed some day. It’s not such a secret formula. That ABC is powerful stuff. It’s the building block of a good kid, acceptance, belonging and competence. But when they go awry, you need to step in and exert your God given authority you have over your children.
Doug: Yeah. And one thing I want to clarify, which we’ve sort of hinted at, but I want to say it super clear is we’re not saying that you want your kid to be unhappy all the time.
Dr. Leman: They’re unhappy as soon as they learn you’re unhappy quite frankly. If you’ve got a good kid going in the right direction and all of a sudden they misspeak in anger and say something to you, do you think they really feel good about what they just said? No. As they’re held accountable for what they said, they’re already apologetic. You’re just helping straighten it out. You’re not letting it go too far, because if you do, they will learn that you’re not the standard bearer that they thought you were, that you vacillate, that you’re weak, that they can work you. And in my latest book, Why Kids Misbehave and What to Do About It, I think I make the statement that most kids play their parents like a violin. And I think most kids are capable of doing that. When you exert your authority, you just sort of put a very natural stop sign in front of them and give them some alternative paths that they can take.
Doug: And for all those young parents that are out there, Andrea would definitely come to me and say, “These kids are just crazy.” And I would look at my watch and I’d be like, “Oh it’s the annual every two to three months we want to see who’s in charge around here.” And they just wanted to see if they’re the new ones that get to call the shots or if you’re going to keep doing it, Andrea. And then Andrea would take care of it and it’d be gone. For all of you brand new parents out that you’re like, oh man, but I was supposed to be my kid’s friend and all these sorts of things. I’m telling you, it works unbelievably, but you need a foundation against what you have right now.
Andrea: As you really do get to be their friend, you really do get to have a ton of fun with them. But for me, this phrase helps because it just helps me remember my job isn’t to make sure they’re happy. My job is to make sure that they’re getting all these ABCs and they’re learning how to build psychological muscles. And then in the end, we can have a ton of fun together and we’re not fighting those battles.
Doug: Well and just to give you a real life example, our 21 year old was doing something around here that we were, it wasn’t a big deal, but it was finally time, Andrea, and I said, “We got to stop this.” Told him, “Son, you got to stop this.” And last night he came in, he said, “Dad, I really just miss hanging out with you. Can we go out and have breakfast someday?” I’m just telling you, this stuff it just, they know it. You’re just telling them what they need to know already and you’re going to bless these kids when they’re adults. Go get, Have a New Kid by Friday, wherever ebooks are sold. You only got a couple days after this is launched to get it or just get it and read it on your own. And it’s great to be with you. Add to that parenting toolbox so you can love those kids more and more.
Andrea: And Happy New Year’s everyone.
Doug: Yes. If you’re getting this one at the launch. Take care, have a great day.
Andrea: Bye-bye.
]]>It’s time for another Ask Dr. Leman: “My hyper 4-year-old runs around the house every single night.” Listen in to find out Dr. Leman’s response on today’s episode of Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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Doug: Go to bed and stay there. Ah, what are you doing out of your bed again? I said, “Go back the bed and stay there.” What, she’s up again?
Does this sound familiar? Do you ever struggle with trying to keep that three-year-old or four-year-old in bed? Well, that’s the question that [Tabor] asked that we get to ask Dr. Leman for her and hear what he has to say about [inaudible 00:00:28]. Hi, I’m Doug Terpening.
Andrea: And I’m Andrea.
Doug: And we are really, really, really, really, really glad that you are with us today. And if this happens to be your first time, I’d like to know this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or a child, please go seek a local professional for help. Well, if you ever want to leave a question, you can go to birthorderguy.com/podcastquestion and leave a question right there.
Well, let’s jump in and hear what Tabor has to say.
Tabor: Hi, Dr. Leman. This is Tabor. I have a four-year-old daughter and a three-month-old son. And for about a year, we have struggled with bedtime with her. When she’s asleep, she stays asleep all night. But her night time routine is not something that we anticipate with any kind of excitement.
We eat dinner at the table every night, and I’m a stay-at-home mom so I’m normally with her all day, except for the day she goes to preschool. Her dad usually does bedtime with her, where he helps her brush her teeth and go potty, put on jammies. He reads a book and then he leaves the room with the door cracked.
Well, we have [inaudible] the lock on her door and have for years, I might add. She knows it’s there, we know sometimes she may not go right to sleep when we leave her room, so we do allow her to have a book in bed that she’s allowed to read just until she falls asleep. The problem is that when we leave the room, she gets out of bed and runs into living room and seems very hyper.
And this happens just about every night. And without a word, we walk back to her bedroom as she runs in front of us to beat us to her bedroom. We shut the door and we lock it. And every night she stays in her room, screaming and crying until she falls asleep. This is very disheartening as a parent. And I’m just asking, what are they doing wrong? Please help us. We love your podcasts and all the books that we’ve read. And thanks so much.
Dr. Leman: Well, thank you for that, Tapor. That’s a great question. And how you guys find time to even listen to our podcast at this busy time of the year is beyond me, but we’re glad you do. Having a four-year-old underfoot all day long, as you know, is a huge, huge job. And that little three-month-old might be part of this, she’s probably doing a little bit more than her attempt to get attention from you, but a couple things.
It started a year ago. So my guess is that when she first did this, it was really cute and really funny. I can just see her running around in her little jammies, running around the house like a low-flying plane. And you probably chuckled and laughed. It was probably cuter than cute, but again, after a year of it, you’re ready to rent her or UPS or to another state.
So here’s what I’m going to suggest to you. We know she does her dog and pony show, but what would happen if when you tucked her in at night, you put a little latch on the outside of the door, that when she went to open the door to do her nightly dog and pony shows, she found she was locked in. Now I can tell you what she will do. She will scream. She will yell. She will pound on the door. She will kick the door.
But here’s the secret. If you do nothing, don’t breathe a word, don’t tell her to get back in bed. Don’t tell her to stop kicking the door, anything, she will fall asleep in all probability on the floor with her blankie or her little bunny rabbit or whatever she sleeps with.
Now, if you want to just treat the behavior, that’s how you do it. And by the way, I recently wrote a book, my newest book is Why Kids Misbehave – and What To Do About It. And you have a very active child. We won’t get into labeling her any more than that at this point. She sounds like she’s an attention-getter, but also a powerful little sucker. So you want to nip it in the bud behaviorly, that’s probably the best way to do it.
Andrea: Dr. Lehman, in her question, she said that she has the lock on the door and they have been locking the door every night. So what would be the next step for her?
Doug: But they do it after she runs around the house.
Andrea: Oh.
Doug: They put her in bed, she runs around the house and then-
Andrea: And then they lock the door.
Doug: And then they do the Leman.
Dr. Leman: Yeah, yeah. They know that show is coming, so why not just nip it before it gets going?
Doug: So Dr. Leman, you left us hanging there. That’ll stop the behavior, but you were saying that there might be something deeper here that we could address. Is there?
Dr. Leman: Well, yeah. And I don’t want to … I know you use the term deeper, it sounds like some psychological sign that something is really amiss. What I said was, she is a attention getter, but she’s showing signs of being a very powerful little kid. And so many times when you shut off power in one area … Let’s go back to whack-a-mole parenting, the powerful behavior will show up in another way. So just be aware of that.
Again, you’d be a great candidate to read that new book, but there’s also a book out there called Parenting Your Powerful Child, which, if you want to get ahead of the game, Tabor, read that little puppy, it’s a good book. Read the ratings on Amazon, see what people say about it. People love the book. So there’s good material there, we’re glad you listen to the podcast.
Doug: So Dr. Leman, I just thought of something. There is new people daily coming to the podcast and this … I just brushed right over it, because we’ve covered this topic because it’s a real one that lots and lots of parents have. So I should go back one step and ask this question.
It sounds incredibly harsh to have a lock on the outside of the door that you’re just going to let the kid sit there and cry. That sounds so inhumane, A, and B, I’m not going to treat my kid this way for weeks on end. Help me answer those two fears of mine, if I were to do this.
Dr. Leman: Okay, if you don’t want to do that, just sit back and enjoy the dog and pony show every night and hope it’ll go away. But then come back to us two years from now and tell us how horrendous it’s grown into.
So, if you have a puppy, you train the puppy. If you happen to believer in Jesus Christ and you believe his Word, it says train up a child. Training is very demanding. It means you’re consistent, you have expectations. You put things in guidelines that help train the puppy. You put guidelines in that help train the child. Now, if you don’t like the puppy child analogy, I can’t help that. It’s a good one, trust me. You don’t start training a puppy at a year old. If you do, you’re going to have a lousy dog on your hands. So you start early.
So it’s just a matter of showing the child that once they go into that bedroom … See, I’ve always said, you can’t make a child go to sleep, but I can make them stay in their bedroom. That’s easy. And sleep, kids are going to sleep, they’re going to go potty and they’re going to eat. In most battlegrounds, in most homes across the US and Canada, center around those three things, sleeping, eating, and potty training.
Doug: So I’m going to ask the obvious question next that we get a lot of times, but won’t this damage my long-term relation with my child? Won’t she view me now as just this cold impersonal individual, and when she grows up, she just going to see me as this uuh.
Andrea: What about attachment?
Dr. Leman: She’s with this child 24 seven. She’s with her all day long. They take walks, they pick flowers, they read stories. They cuddle time. She’s just saying, “Hey, I got a problem and this is my problem. At the end of the day, when I’m done, we go to put little sweetheart in her bed and she starts her dog and pony show. What do I do?”
This is what you do. You lock that door. And you’re helping her long-term. She’s going to understand authority. She’s going to understand there are certain rules in life. You’re going to have the time that you need with your hubby without four-year-old of bouncing off the walls around you.
So, I meet parents like that all the time and I try not to be disrespectful or coming across arrogant, but this isn’t my first rodeo. And I’ve helped so many parents and they come back and they always say, “Thank you, Dr. Leman.” I mean, read the reviews. I’ve got A New Kid on my hand. I mean, we got a book called Have a New Kid by Friday, Making Children Mind Without Losing Yours.
All those books are action-oriented. And you can talk yourself blue in the face, but until a little Buford understand that you mean business, that behavior is going to continue. You’re the audience, it’s a show for you.
Doug: But, Dr. Leman, it’s a real issue. We are all afraid that somehow we’re going to damage the psyche of our child by somehow doing hard things like this.
Dr. Leman: Okay. You got me going now, Doug. Okay. Let me talk to everybody about oppositional defiant disorder. This is something that the shrinks and the insurance companies have come up with to make sure that they get paid for going to their office to seek help for your misbehaving son or daughter.
This oppositional defiant disorder, in my biased opinion, is just evidence that you have been working way overtime trying to make this child happy at every turn. You’ve given them far too much, you’ve been too lenient with them. You haven’t been instructive. You haven’t had the kind of relationship you need with your son or your daughter. You haven’t assumed the authority that All Mighty God gave you. Not authoritarianism now, authority.
So again, keep in mind, God, didn’t put you on this earth to be walked over by your four-year-old. So yeah, there’s all kinds of things that make us feel guilty as parents. “Oh my goodness, Doctor. What is that my son has?” “Yes, he has oppositional defiant disorder.” “Oh my goodness. Oh, what am I going to do? How am I going to tell my husband?” You go home and tell your husband, he’s an electrical engineer. “Oh honey, I got the bad news. Our daughter has oppositional defiant disorder.” And as only your engineer husband could say, he says, “What does that mean?” “Well, I’m not sure, but it doesn’t sound good.”
I’m just telling you, it gets down to, “Hey parent, you got to be on the same page.” You got to discipline your children with love. You got to give them lots of encouragement, lots of hugs, lots of kisses. Yes, you read until you’re blue in the face. That’s what parenting is all about. You hold their head and their arm and their back and their bottom when they’re feeling poorly and they have a temperature, and you do all those things and you worry like a parent worries when their child’s sick. It’s part of being a parent.
But don’t get sucked into the latest nomenclature to describe your son or daughter’s illness, because it’s not an illness number one, it’s behavior that you quite frankly have taught your child to learn. Now, I can’t say it any clearer than that, Doug and Andrea.
Doug: Well, and I think the huge thing that we can support with this and lots of people, the reviews, and everybody else is like, this you only have to do once or twice. And the quicker you stop this behavior … Like you said, they probably let it go for a year and then stopped it.
But the biggie is, we have remarkable relationships now with our children and they’re 21 and 19, 17 and 15. And our teenage years were the best years ever. And Andrea and I both get hugs from all our kids and they want to be with us. So it’s like, this doesn’t destroy your children, it actually sets them free. But you do need the resources. The culture out there is so much different than what’s going to help you succeed with your kids.
So there’s a great segue, wasn’t planned, to say, you can get a phenomenal book, Have a New Kid by Friday for $2 and 99 cents between now and the end of December of 2020. If you have not read any of Dr. Lehman’s books, go buy this one. This one is a great one to be a starter. It is super enjoyable, super practical. It covers a bazillion topics in there while giving you the confidence to be like, “Wow, I’m really going to be different than the rest of the world, aren’t I?” And it pays off. So you agree, Andrea, that our kids love us?
Andrea: Absolutely, yep.
Doug: And we thank you, Dr. Leman, for it. So go get the book, it will change your life. If you’re like, “I’m not really a reader.” And you’re like, “Ah, I sort of like books, sort of like books,” you can get this in a DVD series. Go to drlehman.com and you can order it for … Is it 20 or 25 bucks, I can’t remember?
Dr. Leman: It’s $25.
Doug: Highly, highly, highly recommended. If this is your problem, like Tabor’s, it will bless your socks off. So go get the eBook. Go to drleman.com for the DVD series. And now, a no-nonsense parenting moment with Dr. Kevin Leman.
Dr. Leman: One of the most powerful lessons in life one learns is to simply listen. As parents, many times we do way too much talking. We tell our sons and daughters way too many things to do where their alarm clocks remind them. It’s so good just to develop the skill. And that is when your son or daughter starts speaking, tell yourself, “No questions. I’m going to just listen.” Some of the things they say might even be upsetting to you. Some of the things they say you might really disagree with. Am I saying, “Just lie there?” Yeah, a little bit, because you have to listen. That means you don’t engage your mouth.
“Well, what do I say after he says these things that I really don’t believe, or I think are good or healthy or whatever?” You say something like, “Wow, that’s a unique perspective. I don’t know if you’d be willing to take this on, but when dad gets home tonight, I’d love to have this discussion with him because I think he should hear it. I think it’s important we understand how each other feel. Hey, you have a great day. I’ll see you at dinner.” That’s listening.
Doug: Alrighty, Dr. Leman. So I want a pay off. If I’m going to buck culture and I’m going to do the hard things and I’m actually going to be in authority as a parent, what is the outcome I’m going to end up with with my kids? If I become the one that is the authority in the family as a parent.
Dr. Leman: Well, I think the blessing you’re giving your kids is they’re going to feel good about themselves. I mean, think about that. Isn’t that what you want? You want your kids to feel good about themselves. They’re going to learn they’re not the center of the universe. They’re going to learn. They don’t always get their own way. They’re going to learn in your home there are rules. There are things you have to do. They’re going to learn cooperation. They’re going to learn respect for adults.
I mean, by the way, Tabor, I got to tell you, you sound like a great mom. That’s not easy being a stay-at-home mom with a four-year-old, hey. They can wear on you. So God bless you as you do things differently. And we’re glad you’re listening to podcasts and reading those books. And as
Doug likes to say, “We’re putting tools in your toolbox every day.” So you hang in there, you’ll get through this fine.
Doug: So the last question here, Andrea, you’re the mom. When you think about the times that you’ve had to put yourself into authority with your children, what is your children’s responses a week later to you? Are a cold to you? Are they distant to you?
Andrea: Well, I don’t think you have to wait a week. I think usually it’s overnight if it was really a hard thing. But they come back to me on a regular routine and they’re like, “Thanks for making me do that,” or, “Thanks for this.” Or just, “Thanks for being my mom.” They do appreciate it.
So it’s hard sometimes to hold that line, but they come back and show their appreciation later. So yeah, it does pay off like Dr. Leman said. And I keep thinking the phrase and I think Doug said it earlier, an unhappy child is a healthy child. And Dr. Leman, that’s kind of, I feel that’s the thing I remember from Have a New Kid by Friday book, thinking, “It’s not about me making the kid happy, it’s about me having that relationship and …”
Doug: Well, that’s a great segue, because that’s what we’re going to be talking about on next week’s podcast.
Andrea: Great.
Doug: What does that phrase mean? But I just want to [inaudible 00:18:43]. You said, Andrea, it is shocking when we have had to do hard things with our kids at any age, how quickly they come back and apologize or say thanks. Or [inaudible 00:18:53], “Thanks, you’re right. I was out of line.”
So, for all you parents out there, this might sound like crazy advice in today’s culture, but it works. Go get the resources so you can have the confidence. Go get Have a New Kid by Friday for $2 and 99 cents between now and the end December of 2020. Or Making Children Mind Without Losing Yours is a phenomenal book, if you have a powerful child or parenting your powerful child, if you think, “I just can’t read that book.” It will help you so much. It’s Christmas time that this has been released, this would be a great book to grab while you have a couple of days off, read through it, gain the confidence that you want.
Well, it was great to be with you. We look forward to the next time we get to add to your parenting toolbox so you can love those kids more and more.
Andrea: And thanks, Tabor, for your question.
Doug: Great question.
Andrea: You’re doing great.
Doug: Doing great. Take care.
Andrea: Bye-bye.
]]>Do you find yourself resorting to coaxing methods or threats of punishment when parenting your kids? Listen in to Dr. Leman’s no-nonsense advice on this episode of the Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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Doug: Hey John, I need you to take the trash out. Listen, if you go take the trash out, I’ll give you a Twix bar when you come back. Sally, you are the worst child in the history of all children. Get those dishes done now. How do we instill good habits without cajoling, bribing or going crazy on our kids? That’s the question we get to ask Dr. Leman today. Hi, I’m Dr. [Banine 00:00:37].
Andrea: And I’m Andrea.
Doug: It is fabulous to be with you today. If this is your first time with us, we want to let you know this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or your child, please go seek a local professional for help. Well Dr. Leman, the question to you today is as parents we want to instill those good habits in our children. How do I get good habits into my children?
Dr. Leman: Well, you just haven’t learned, you don’t have the information you need to be a good parent and that’s one of the reasons why we do these podcasts. We think giving parents information about how to handle everyday challenges that every parent faces, is really doing you and your family a great service.
It should become as natural as it can possibly be, to teach a child how to be respectful of adults and other people, and how to be a helper and give back to the family, but quite frankly, parents usurp all the power. They don’t give anything to the children, they don’t give kids responsibility.
I mean, the old adage is if you want a responsible child you what, you give them responsibility and from an early age. I mean, a three-year-old can help unload a dishwasher, can run and get the salt and pepper for mom or dad, can do all kinds of things. You want kids to be able to be a part of the family.
Every piece of research says that if people feel they’re a part of something they’re going to participate, they’re going to support it. Think of adults in churches. Do people support a church they don’t feel a part of? No. Do you hang out with people you feel uncomfortable around? No. So that’s why I say, it should be as natural a phenomenon is a good possibly be, to teach kids in a loving way that they’re a part of this family.
And you do so by allowing kids to help, not by always saying, “Oh honey, no, that’s too heavy for you. Oh, no, no, you’ll spill that. I mean, parents over hover. You’re raising kids. Okay, they’re kids I get it, but the goal is to, by age 18 when they leave your little nest, you’ve raised a pretty good adult or a young adult that’s going to be a contributor to this world.
Well, what’s the difference? How come some parents today have kids who’ve had private education, gone to college, and now they’re back living at home doing nothing. How does that happen? It was all done in the name of love, by the way. I love my child so much I’m going to do this and that for them.
But so many very healthy adults would tell you, “I had to work for things in my family. I had a job at 14 or 15. I contributed, I gave back to the family. I knew that my parents weren’t wealthy. I knew I had to do my fair share.” So those parents who start off in a very natural, loving, and yet a position of authority over their children and their family, are ones who most naturally will grow a child to be a contributor and not somebody who’s going to end up being a taker.
Now those are general terms, but the more it can happen naturally the better and that’s why I say people don’t have information. You need a license for about everything in life, but there’s no license for parenting, and that’s why people like me have written parenthood books.
Why do they continue to be published? Why do they continue to sell? Let me tell you why, because people buy them and they need them. They know that this is not a piece of cake raising this kid and the Leman library on raising kids is pretty good. The books are practical, so that’s why we do what we do.
Doug: So I want to instill good habits with my kids. So I’m thinking there’s two kinds of tracks and maybe I’m thinking of it incorrectly. So there’s the whole help around the house chores and then there’s life habits, not being late. Let’s choose not being late to think, how do I help my kid develop a good habit of not being late or can I?
Dr. Leman: Okay. Who’s responsible for getting the child to school on time?
Doug: Mom and dad.
Dr. Leman: Okay, that’s a false assumption. Here’s what you’ve got to remember. You really have to teach the child. Okay. A kid doesn’t wake up at age three and say, “I’m responsible for getting myself to preschool like Dr. Leman said.” No, I’m not saying that. But what you have to do as a parent is you have to look at your child.
Is your child one of those kids that jumps out of bed in the morning with a smile on their face? “Hi mommy, I love you.” They jump to the table. If you put the dog food in front of them, they’d dig in and be thankful for it. Or do you have a child that’s a manatee in the morning, a slug? They move very slowly.
Okay. And the question is, how do you teach kids to be on time? Well, first of all you’ve got to look at the wood you’ve got. Do you got a nice piece of cherry wood there or do you got a piece of pine that’s got all kinds of knots in it, flawed to the core?
Well, for that little guy who wakes up slowly and he is the manatee of the family, what time are you going to get that four year old up in the morning? Are you going to put them on a short schedule like you and assume he’s going to be able to rock and roll and get with it? Or are you going to do some planning and say, “This one needs an extra half hour or we don’t have a shot of getting him in that car on time.”
So again, I think parent, yeah, you’re an authority. You’ve got to figure out what you got. It’s like a football coach or a basketball coach. He looks at his talent and then he figures out, how do I get the best out of this talent? What offense is going to work best? What defense is going to work best?
And so you summarize your feelings about your family. Okay. Okay, I think this is how we go and you make that decision and you start working toward the value of being on time. For example, if I had a four-year-old who balked at getting ready and getting him to preschool on time, I would solicit the help of the four-year-old preschool teacher. I’d have the four-year-old preschool teacher look them in the eye and say, “Hey, you need to be here on time. I don’t want you here late again.” You give them the look.
Kids respond many times better to people outside of the family than they do their own parents, but I’d play this game of life, smart with the kids. Be goal directed, have goals for your kids, that’s fine. But sooner or later, you’re going to figure out the goals that are really important are the goals that the kid has incorporated into his or her own life, to figure out how do I navigate school and friendships and sports and relationships and all that. So it’s a fine art to know when to step in, when to back off, which you always want to grant responsibility to a kid if you want a responsible child, I know that.
Andrea: Well, what I hear you saying here is if I’m going to teach my kid to be fill in the blank on time, then actually it starts with me being the example of doing that.
Dr. Leman: It does.
Andrea: You are describing me being responsible to get the kid out of the house on time so that they learn.
Dr. Leman: Yeah, you got one kid, Andrea, that’s no problem at all. I mean, they’re ready. They’re the ones standing at the door saying, “Come on, we’re going to be late.” But you got this other one that’s a laggard and you have to build that in. I mean, it might be part of their personality.
Doug: Well this brings me to the ebook special, which is one of the best books I’ve ever read is Have A New Kid By Friday. That’s why it’s called Have A New Kid for $2.99 between now and the end of December of 2020. And I don’t have the Amazon reviews, which I highly recommend go to Amazon and read all those reviews, but I’ll give you Doug [Terbiding’s] review.
I was at a conference in Dallas, Texas. This crazy guy got up and started talking about parenting and said some crazy things, and I went and bought this book and read it on the plane back. It’s super easy to read, super funny. And I came home to Andrea and said, “Andrea, we’ve got to start changing what we’re doing. You got to read this book. We’re too far over here on the authoritarian side. I got to change. The whole back half is just about actionable ways that you can deal with things like lying and and all these other things. It’s phenomenal.
Andrea: I just got to know, did that crazy guy speaking have on a Hawaiian print shirt?
Doug: Yeah, he was. He was.
Dr. Leman: Yeah. Hey folks, let me tell you something about the [Terbidings 00:10:09]. These guys are lovely people to begin with, okay? They are as normal as a couple can be. Guess what? They fight with each other sometimes. Isn’t that wonderful, refreshing to know that Terbidings who we love on our podcast, they fight, they make fools of themselves sometimes. And what they’ve discovered in marriages, you know what, when you make a fool yourself you got to say, “Hey, I’m sorry.”
So when you hear from Doug and Andrea, I want you to understand these are couples like you. They happen to love God, which is really important in their lives, and they love their kids and they do the best they can and they make mistakes just like Kevin and Sandy Leman made when we were bringing up our kids.
But we have a common goal here on our podcast and that is simply “Help you,” as Doug says, “put a little tool or two in your toolbox for parenting, it will make you a better parent.” Parenting is really important, so is being a faithful mate to each other, important.
So we’re glad you listen and pass it along to your friends. We love to have new people join us. We know those numbers continue to grow. We hear from many of you on a continuing basis, how much you enjoy our podcast and we want you to know, we appreciate you. That’s the end of my campaign for the Terbidings.
Doug: Oh, that’s so sweet. And now a no nonsense parenting moment with Dr. Kevin Leman.
Dr. Leman: I call it parental poker, but if you could turn your head around and your neck was pliable enough to look in your back pocket, you’ll see those big four aces there. What do I mean by that? Your son or daughter in most situations can’t do anything without your permission. They need your signature, your help for about all the important things in their life, whether it’s athletics, drive a car, whatever.
So sometimes you have to sit down with kids, especially kids who are powerful and you have to say, “Listen, I want you to see my cards.” And they’re going to say, “What are you talking about?” And pretend to have four cards, ace of spades, ace of diamonds, hearts, clubs, and just put it on them and explain to them what that means.
That I am an authority over you and I know you don’t like it right now but that’s the way it is and we’re going to deal with it one way or another. We can deal with it easily, or we can make it hard. Let’s not make it hard on each other, let’s try to find some common ground. Okay. By the way, I love you very much.
Doug: Dr. Leman, now I have teenagers, 14, 15, 16 year olds and I see that they’ve developed bad habits in whatever it is. Let’s say it’s, I don’t know, you got me.
Andrea: Well, you said, “Slandering.” Earlier like gossip and slander.
Doug: Like talking bad about people all the time and how everybody’s bad in the world. Do I have an opportunity to step in at that time to help them change that [inaudible] is going to hurt, bad habits that will hurt them later in life or not and if so, what?
Dr. Leman: Yeah, I think you do, but I think it all hinges on how do you do it. Once the kids hit those teenage years, you have to back off. Okay? You have to give these kids the freedom to do some failure to figure out life as it is, not to be so prescriptive or if you tend to be authoritarian, so dictatorial about how their lives should be lived, but I think it’s fair game when you see things with your kids that trouble you.
I think it’s important that you find a time where you can pull them aside and say, “Hey, do you have 10 minutes?” Yeah, “What do you need?” “Well I don’t need it, I just want to talk to you for 10 minutes. I see some things that I have to be honest with you, bother me. And I thought about not saying anything to you about it and I thought, you know what, that would be disrespectful because I love you so much and I care about you so much. I just felt like I needed to say something to you.”
And at that point, that son or daughter might become a little defensive and say, “Listen, you don’t have to say a word. You don’t have to defend yourself and what you’re doing right there is you’re knocking down the defenses.” You’re saying, “You don’t have to say a word. I would just you to listen to me for just a few moments.”
And then you preface that with, “You know, I could be wrong on this, maybe I’m not seeing this straight. This could be me not you, but here’s my observation. It seems to me that you become the authority on about everything in life. I see you badmouthing your friend, Aaron, who you’ve known for years whose been a good friend, and I hear things out of your mouth I find hard to believe. It’s just so negative and it just seems so self-centered around you.”
“And I have to tell you that that bothered me to see you continually dog so many people, and I just want to share with you my experience with that kind of thing. That tends to come back and bite you in the butt. Be careful what you say about other people. At your age, you don’t want to set that whole peer group against you. You need to live in harmony with your friends, and maybe it’s just taking the time to see the positive in people rather than the negative.”
I mean, whatever you’re going to say to that kid, you just say it in plain English. You set it up with, “I could be wrong.” You’re presenting the truth as softly as you can to a son or a daughter and then you back off. You don’t harpoon them, you don’t ride their tail about it. You’ve communicated a message that you wanted to communicate to your son or your daughter in a loving way.
Now you’ve got a son or a daughter who’s not coming home at night, who is not respectful of your car or whatever, then there’s some discipline things you step in and do, along the line of, “Dad’s not very happy. I got to go get in the car and I had to drive over to the next town and I look at the gas tank, it’s right on empty, in fact it’s below empty. I’m kind enough to let you use my car and you bring it home under empty? That’s not how I deal with people, that’s not how I deal in life and I especially don’t want to deal with you like this.”
“I’m going to cut you some slack, okay. I’m going to tell you that this is one that I’m going to let pass, but I want you to clearly hear what I say. The very next time that car comes empty or near empty, it will be the last time you will drive my car.” Now notice I didn’t put a time limit on it. I made that really clear, that’ll be the last time you’ll drive my car.
So sometimes with kids, you have to be real direct. Teenagers tend to be all over the place. They’re a little goofy for sure. They’re fun. We always had fun with our kids. We didn’t have any hassles of any magnitude raising our kids as teenagers, not a one. They were happy, good times. So for what it’s worth, that’s how I’d approach that Doug.
Doug: Well that’s such a good reminder. And you’ve told me this years ago that example, and to anybody that has teenagers, I cannot encourage you enough to do the soft … I could be wrong on this. This is what I’ve noticed. In my own personal life you told us to disclose how it negatively affected us and then walk away. And I’ve done that and six months or a year or two years later, they’ve come back and said, “You know, you told me that then. I thought you were rude and wrong but guess what, blah-blah-blah happened and I now see that it was right.”
And you just plant the seed. You can’t change them when they’re that age and let it grow. You’re totally right, it’s so good. I got to say it again because you said it, I just can’t walk away. I I know, I’m wrapping up Andrea. She’s like, “No, stop.” Andrea and I have had almost no problems with our teenagers either because of Have A New Kid By Friday changed the way we parented him when they were little, so that we could super enjoy them when they’re teenagers and we have way too much with teenagers right now, it is the best season ever.
We’re doing this because it’s worked in our life and we want you to be there too, so go get the book wherever ebooks are sold, please, for your sake. All righty, I’m done. We love adding the parenting toolbox so that you can enjoy those kids and love them a whole bunch and we’ll look forward to the next time we’re with you.
Andrea: Go have fun with those kids.
Doug: Yes, have a great time. Take care.
Andrea: Bye-bye.
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Doug: Don’t we all just love that person that we work with who as soon as we start talking, they break-in and we don’t get to finish our comment? Or do we just love it when we’re trying to have a conversation with-
Andrea: Hey, Doug. Hey, Doug.
Doug: Andrea, Andrea, Andrea. Yes, that’s it. Well, that’s the question Rebekah asked. Her four-year-old interrupts everything she said. Every conversation. So we get to ask Dr. Leman, how do you stop it? Where does it come from? Hi, I’m Doug Terpening.
Andrea: I’m Andrea.
Doug: And it is so good to be with you today. If this is your first time with us, this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or your child, please go seek a local professional for help. So funny, I got thrown off on the intro because I was waiting for you to do it again. So we all know we hate being interrupted. So let’s hear what Rebekah’s question is.
Rebekah: I have a four-year-old son. He is my oldest and he many times will interrupt adult conversations. If my husband and I are speaking, he will constantly try to talk over us because he wants attention. If I tell him I have a phone call, he will purposefully be loud and make noises. If we’re in the car and I am talking to my husband or his brother who is a small baby, he will try to talk over us and it’s just getting out of hand. And we’ve tried different types of discipline, taking away things that he enjoys, but he’s very persistent and it just seems like we need some help with this.
Dr. Leman: Okay, Rebekah, let’s start with the good news. You know you have an attention-getting child, but do you know you have a powerful child as well? See, kids are attention-getters by their nature. They’re going to get attention positively or negatively. And for whatever reason, this little four-year-old got off track and he’s learned how to get attention negatively. Okay? It’s still attention. That’s the point the parent has to understand. So when you say you’ve tried everything, hey, I appreciate that. I talk with a lot of parents who tell me they’ve tried everything. Taking away things a four-year-old enjoys is never effective with a kid who just wants to always be seen and always want to be heard. This kid is playing whack-a-mole. You ever played whack-a-mole at an amusement park where these things pop up and you whack them on the head and as soon as you whack the one that pops up at the other? And that’s sort of what you’re dealing with. You said he’s very persistent and you could use a synonym, you could say he’s very powerful.
Dr. Leman: So again, as a kid progresses into the of discouragement, and that’s what I want you to hear, this kid is discouraged already at age four. And one of the things we talk about is encouraging children and how important it is. Okay? But the discouraged child will go from attention-getting to power to revenge. You don’t want to go that far. So again, this is one of those situations where you need to pick one tact, one avenue to deal with this guy. And the problem is it’s extremely difficult because he’s so persistent. You’re going to have to be doing this all the time to turn the tide.
Dr. Leman: And what am I suggesting you do? As soon as he starts his little dog and pony show of interrupting, he is removed from the scene. Okay? That is to say, he starts this thing when you’re on the phone, you take him to a room you can lock from the outside. You say, well, we don’t have a room we can lock from the outside. Well, have your husband put a little lock outside the door, a real simple little locks. And four-year-old is now … He can howl at the moon. He can throw a temper tantrum. He can scream and yell, but he’s in the back bedroom somewhere. And you have your phone call wherever you’d like, okay? If you live in a climate or a location where it’s easy for you to put him outside, I’d put them outside on the back lawn, immediately.
Dr. Leman: So as soon as he opens his mouth and he starts interrupting, without any words, you take them by the arm, take them by the hand, put them on a place, close, separate yourself from him. Now what I’m telling you with a persistent little guy like this guy, little Mr. Whack-a-mole, you are really going to be taxed because he will be at you constantly. Okay? So you’re going to have to extinguish his negative responses as consistently as you possibly can. And so that would be my challenge for you today, Rebekah, to think, how can I deal with this realistically?
Dr. Leman: Now you mentioned in the car, notice that powerful children know when they have you over the barrel. What are you going the do when he’s in the car? Well, depending upon where you have your baby, it sounded like you had a younger child as well, this may not be appropriate, but one of my favorites with kids in the car, like if I’m driving him to preschool or something and they have some kind of behavior that you don’t really like, you just turn the radio on as loud as it’ll and put the rear speakers on. And that’ll usually get their attention. They don’t like that. They’ll be screaming, “Mommy, turn that down. Turn that down.”
Dr. Leman: So again, some of these things might sound harsh to you, but again, you have to realize that for whatever reason, you and your husband have created this … You probably made the mistake that many parents do. You probably just tried to make sure he’s happy at all times. Well, good luck with that. Quoting my own book, Have a New Kid by Friday, “An unhappy child is a healthy child.” So there’s times your four-year-old if you do this right, he’s going to be miserable. He’s going to be really unhappy, but he’s going to figure out that he’s the only one that can keep his mouth shut and not interrupt. You can’t do that for him.
Dr. Leman: But you can set up situation after situation where pretty soon he feels like this is fruitless. I got to do something different. So for openers, that’s it, Rebekah.
Andrea: So, Dr. Leman, you said you started off with he’s discouraged. How did he get discouraged?
Dr. Leman: Kids strive for significance in their own family. Okay. And they get encouraged by parents who know the difference between vitamin E and traditional praise. When you just praise a child when he’s doing something right, the kid figures out within a short period of time, oh, I get it. They only really love me when I’m doing these things right. There’s something wrong with that. Where the parent who uses encouragement, the kid sees the relationship in much more healthier terms. They see me as somebody who can contribute to this family, who can give back to the family. I’m a part of this family. I’m not the enemy of these two people. These two tall people who live with me.
Dr. Leman: And so the process of encouragement comes from Adlerian individual psychology theory if anybody’s interested in where does that come from. And one of the things that Alfred Adler talked about years ago is that there was a striving for superiority in the family. For example, this little four-year-old is the oldest and he hears those footsteps of those younger kids. He’s threatened by their being around. He’s asking himself if there’s enough love from mom and dad for him because these little ones are taking an awful lot of time, a lot of mom and dad’s time. So that’s where the adventure starts.
Dr. Leman: And just like as kids, we played on a sand pile or a dirt pile and we played King of the hill or queen of the hill. The idea was to be on top of the hill. That striving for superiority is what gave birth to my writings about the birth order and why firstborns are natural leaders and why babies of the family tend to be attention-getters. They can’t compete with the firstborn. The first part has got way too much of an advantage, so they become the class clown or the kid that demands attention in other ways. So it’s all about a psychological striving for meaningfulness in their lives.
Dr. Leman: And so kids, like I say, all kids are born attention-getters and they’re going to get it positively or negatively. And so how you start off, I mean, talk about the infant. You’ve heard me talk about kids need schedules and the kid will probably help determine their own schedule, but the parent who goes out for an evening in the first two weeks of that child’s birth without the child is moving in the right direction. They’re already establishing some independence for themselves as a couple and they’re beginning to teach the child that mommy and daddy will not always be there. So getting off to a good start in parenting is very important.
Dr. Leman: And as all your mommy’s know, when that little firstborn is placed in your arms and that little lip is quivering and you count those fingers and toes, and you’re fully aware of the wonderful blessing you just received, it’s easy, I mean, it’s immediate, you fall in love with this little child. And it’s so easy just in the very get-go to sort of overdo. And when you do, you end up with a child who feels he or she has a license to misbehave and do their thing and become so independent that they become detrimental to the smooth running of a family. So that was a long answer, Andrea, but it comes from psychological theory.
Andrea: I have another question. If I were Rebekah, I would wonder, okay, so now I’m going to start locking him up in the room when I’m trying to have a conversation, removing him from the situation, can she also balance that with, “Okay, now we’re putting baby down and now is my time to snuggle with you and read a book, giving him that vitamin E and giving him that special attention that he does need?
Dr. Leman: I think it’s a real natural thing. That’s what you want to do as a mom. You want four-year-old to be a helper. “Help me with your little sister. Hey honey, would you go get a Pamper for mommy? Thank you, honey. I really love it when you help me.” And with a happy face, “Thank you, honey.” That’s encouragement. That’s vitamin E. That’s giving attention to a child in a positive way. So keep in mind for those of you who think we’re too militaristic here, the balance is always what Andrea just shared. You want to be loving to that child. Kids need textual stimulation. They need time with you. They need cuddle time. They love stories. But there has to be a clear delineation in a child’s mind that this is acceptable and this isn’t. And the one that makes that call is you, you’re the parent.
Doug: Well, so the eBook fits perfectly with Rebekah’s question, Have a New Kid by Friday. You can get it from December 1 to December 31st of 2020, you can get it for $2.99 wherever eBooks are sold. So, Dr. Leman, why would any parent buy Have a New Kid by Friday?
Dr. Leman: Because you got a brain in your head and you realize you need some help. That is the best book. Read the reviews. It’s a New York Times bestselling book. You have no idea how difficult it is to get a book to that level. It’s just a high mountain to climb. So if you write books about marriage, and family, parenting and you get that high of a ranking on a book, you know that book has been extremely helpful and millions of people’s lives have been touched by that book. So if you don’t want to read it for 2.99, you go on and do your thing, parent and I wish you a lot of luck. If you want to see a change in your child’s behavior, a change in your family’s atmosphere, take the time to read that book.
Dr. Leman: And as I’ve said on other podcasts, if you’re not a reader, we have a DVD series you can watch. You can obviously listen to it as well. And it’s $25. It’s a six-part series. It’s been extremely popular and you can get that at drleman.com. You spell Leman right and you’re there. L-E-M-A-N, drleman.com. So it’s for your reading. The publisher downloads these things to put them in your hands. We bless it because we think that information is really necessary. If you take a look around our country today and ask yourself, “Are kids where they need to be?” No, they’re not. They’re not even close. Are families where they need to be? No, they’re not. So this is a book that’ll help right the good ship family and steer you toward a port of call that’s healthy for everyone.
Doug: Super. And now, a no-nonsense parenting moment with Dr. Kevin Leman.
Dr. Leman: You know, parents, after your son or daughter completes high school and they’re working, or maybe they’re going to community college part-time or whatever, the question comes up, should your son or daughter pay rent. Maybe. If you’re a kid has taken a big load and they’re living at home and going to school, I wouldn’t think of charging them rent. On the other hand, if my kid has passed up an opportunity to go onto school, they seem to be looking for themselves, and he’s working and not for a lot of money, I would charge him rent because I think it’s important that kids learn early in life that life is free.
Dr. Leman: So it’s one of those judgment calls, parents, where if the question is, can I charge my son or daughter rent? Yes, you may, but use your head. One kid might pay rent, the other may not. Well, that’s unfair. Do you really want to treat your kids the same? Oh, boy, I hope not. God created us all differently, so don’t be afraid to teach your kids differently. This is a judgment call, parents, exercise good judgment, and keep that relationship intact with your son or daughter.
Doug: So, Dr. Leman, going back to Andrea’s question just a little bit more, vitamin E, how then can we give, so she gave a great example, I’m going to sit with you and read a book. What is it about the right way to encourage the kid that we want to do with our kids?
Dr. Leman: Well, if I told everybody praise is destructive, a lot of people wouldn’t believe that, but it is. It says I hold you in high esteem because you did this, because you did that. It’s just part of our culture. All of us grew up with praise or reward or punishment. That’s how we were raised. But using encouragement, what I try to help people understand is you need to really pay attention to the act and not the actor. In other words, I mean, that was so helpful for you to go and get the umbrella for grandma. I know she appreciated that. That’s encouragement. So the focus is on the act, the action. It was helpful that you went and got the umbrella for grandma. It’s not, you’re the best kid in the whole world because you went and got that. There’s a big difference in how kids receive that.
Dr. Leman: So again, if you want to read a book that really helps you really get good at that, read the book, Making Children Mind Without Losing Yours. And yes, the book we’re offering has some of that in it as well. But the Making Children Mind Without Losing Yours, there’s another book, sold well over a million copies for a reason. There’s some really good reading there for you as parents. Take advantage of it. My goodness.
Doug: So, Dr. Leman here’s my other critique of your advice. This poor little guy, he’s only four-years-old. He’s so tiny that he’ll probably just grow out of this. Why can’t I just be sweet to my four-year-old? He’s only four, Dr. Leman.
Dr. Leman: Well, because 80% of his personality is already formed at age four. At age three it’s about 60%. So I’ve often said to adults, the little boy or little girl you once were, guess what, you still are. So those early years, Doug and Andrea, are really important. And that’s why when you see these negative patterns in a three or four-year-old, you want to jump on that. I always said kids are like wet cement, their personalities form so quickly. If you’ve ever worked with wet cement, it’s very malleable. It’s sort of fun. We used to put our initials in it and our girlfriend’s name in the sidewalk, if we could get away with it. But once it hardens up, it’s really hard to do anything with concrete.
Dr. Leman: And so that’s a good analogy that kids’ personalities forms early and their behavioral repertoire so to speak develops in those early years. About 18 months is when a kid gets powerful and they realize the little things they do has a great reaction from the parent and that’s where it starts. So those of you who got little nine-month-olds, circle look calendar at 18 months because that little cherub is going to give you a run for your money starting then unless you handle it well.
Andrea: So, Dr. Leman, earlier on, you said that she’s going to have to do this a lot for a long time. How long is this going to take?
Dr. Leman: Let’s start with this, if you’re really consistent and you really do a five-star job, it doesn’t take long to change a kid’s behavior. I say it with tongue in cheek, you could have a new kid by Wednesday. But the point is that a behavior that you take on well and you’re consistent with it, the kid will fall in line relatively quickly. If you struggle through it and you’re hit and miss, you’re lengthening that out and it could take a long time, and I mean a long time, several months if you don’t do this right. So the key is to be a consistent parent. Let your yes be yes, your no be no. Don’t threaten. Use action. Few words. You’ll get his or her attention real quick. They’ll figure it out. They’re smart little suckers.
Andrea: I have another question for you. What do you think of the idea of teaching a child when they want to talk to you to come and put their hand on your arm or something if you’re in another conversation?
Dr. Leman: Sure. It’s an easy way. You’re telling your kid, “Okay, here’s the deal. When you want mommy’s attention, you come and touch mommy and what you have to know is I felt your touch. And now your job is to wait patiently until mommy off the phone or ready to talk to you.” So yeah, sometimes that’ll work. It’s a proactive thing you can do. Again, what you’re doing there, Andrea, is you’re exerting your authority and authority has become a bad word in our society, but I believe it’s a great word that every parent and every child has to thoroughly understand.
Doug: Well, Rebekah, we really appreciate you asking the question and I think there’s a lot of parents out there that are struggling with this too. Thank you. If you would like to leave a question, you can go to drleman.com/podcastquestion. There’s a microphone, click it, and we would love to answer your question for you. And again, I got to say it, Have a New Kid by Friday for only $2.99 is amazing. Get it between now and the end of December 31st of 2020. Well, it was great to be with you today and add to your parenting toolbox. And we look forward to the next time we get to be with you.
Andrea: And Rebekah, it would be fun if you ever called in and told us how you’re doing.
Doug: We would love to hear it.
Andrea: Thanks for the good question.
Doug: Take care.
Andrea: Bye-bye.
]]>Is it better to confront the problem with a blowout or to show restraint and let things go? The answer may surprise you. Listen in to today’s episode to learn how you can effectively deal with conflict in your family.
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Doug: Is it better to be nice and just kind of let the thing hopefully get better, or do I get to come out with a shotgun and blast them? What does it mean that blowouts are way better than slow leaks? Who wants to cause a blowout, all the shrapnel, and all the craziness of it? It’s better to be nice and hope it goes away. Well, that’s the question we get ask Dr. Leman. What’s his crazy phrase that he uses that blowouts are way better than slow leaks?
Hi, I’m Doug Terpening.
Andrea: And I’m Andrea.
Doug: I and Andrea, Dr. Leman, are so glad that you are with us today. Welcome. If this happens to be your first time we want to let you know this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you, or your child, please go seek a local professional for help.
Well, Dr. Leman, one of your favorite things to tell us all the time is, Hey, is it better to slow leak it to death or is it better to just have a big blowout?” But, blowouts cause shrapnel, and all sorts of craziness out there? So my question is, A. What does that phrase mean, and why am I going to use it in parenting?
Dr. Leman: Let me start with this. For you parents who had a rough school year last year, or you had a rough time with your child’s smart mouth last year, or your husband continued to dish you, or your wife continually hammered you for every small indiscretion on your part, any kind of a booboo you were hammered. I want you to think about that. Now, that was a year ago. Now, is there any difference in any of those relationships today? My point is that whatever was in the past is going to continue, so if you have a kid who is smart mouthed and disrespectful chances are he, or she, is going to continue to be disrespectful and mouthy, or they’ll even increase their maladaptive behaviors.
So, my point is, if you’re going to deal with it let’s bring it to a head. Let’s have that blowout. Let’s have that. “Hey, I’m done,” because the other things that you’ve tried, and you talked in your introduction, Doug, about being nice, just letting things go. How’s that working out for you, parent? So, when all of a sudden you hit a kid where it hurts, and that is you don’t let him go to the ballgame. You don’t let him go with his Friends. You don’t let him play next door with his favorite playmate. He doesn’t get to watch whatever. You really, to use a colloquial term, you lower the boom on him, you’re going to get his attention. You’re going to blindside him. He’s going to say, “What the heck is going on here?” At that point, at that blowout, from then on you have to be really consistent, because if you just have a big blowout and get mad and think that somehow that that’s going to turn around behavior you’re mistaken.
You have to follow up with sticking to your guns, as I like to say, “without shooting yourself in the foot,” which means your decisions are deliberate, they’re calculated, vitamin N is distributed profusely within your family, which is “no” for you new listeners. Saying no to a child is a wonderful disciplinary measure. So, we have the vitamin E which we talk about a lot, encouraging your child. You want to be an encourager but, again, God did not put you on this earth to be walked over by a smart-mouth, 13-year old, or 11-year old, or 9-year old. So, that’s where forcing the blowout comes from, Doug. It just says, enough is enough, we’re going to turn the good ship family in a new direction. Guess what, parents, you’re the captain, or co-captains, of that family. That’s your job.
Doug: So, Andrea, again, you’re the resident mom, and you like to be nice, a lot.
Andrea: Well, I don’t think it’s just moms that like to be nice. To me this sounds like starting a fight.
Doug: Ooh.
Andrea: So, how is that different, Dr. Leman, than either blowing up in anger, because this sounds like, Okay, we’re going have this big, it’s okay for me to blow up in anger and start a fight. How is this different?”
Dr. Leman: Well, a couple of things. Remember, fighting’s an act of cooperation. There could be no fight unless two people want a fight. Number two, we’re not talking about anger, we’re talking about an abrupt change in your demeanor, and your behavior. So, it’s not a matter of fighting. Is that child, young lady or young man, are they going to like this? No, because you’ve blindsided them, and for 9 years, or 11 years, you’ve tolerated this. You’ve done everything. You’ve been that kind, wonderful mom who’s probably, in retrospect, done way too much for that young woman or young man. Now they’re getting into those years where, and by the way if you’ve never read Planet Middle School, that’s a wonderful read for you parents who are getting into the 6th, 7th, 8th grades, the middle school wonder years. That’ll help set you straight. There’s also a book called Have a New Teenager By Friday, which is an award-winning book that everybody loves.
So, there are ways to get the kid’s attention, or the person’s attention, that says, “I’m done. I’ve had it. I am very unhappy.” So, there’s a difference between being mad and blowing up and telling your kids. “I am very unhappy with what’s happening in this home,” because kids don’t like that. That’s what you have to keep in mind.
Doug: So, Dr. Leman, there’s some people that they can’t get there until they’re so wound up that they have had enough of this, right? How does that person address this without the anger part coming with it, or not even the anger part just the, what is that, the poor delivery of it?
Andrea: Just the emotional outburst.
Dr. Leman: Well, again, if you’re lucky enough to have a partner in life, and you’ve got that husband, or your wife, this is a time where if you know that you have a short fuse, and your way of dealing things is to tuck things under, tuck things under, and then have the big explosion, you are not the person to be able to throw that switch, it’s got to be your mate. The one that has a much more tempered approach to life who has to say, “I’m done. I’m unhappy.” In fact, you can replace the I with the we. A wound-up person can take some notes from the more level-headed, even-tempered mate, to be the forerunner here, because what you don’t want to do is just spark rebellion in a kid’s life who’s already got a rebellious streak.
Andrea: So, you wouldn’t recommend this to anyone who already has a short temper?
Dr. Leman: Well, let’s take the single mom who has a short temper. She doesn’t have any choice, but she better do some, whatever it takes. When something starts to happen with the children, okay, single mom, you’re a veteran mom, you’ve been a mom for nine years. You’ve seen how these things escalate. So, as soon as something starts I want you to act, because if you wait your rubber band is just going to get wound up tighter and tighter and it’s not going to have a good result. So, it’s action, not words. The more action you make as a parent, and you show the kids that things are changing, the more they’re going to pay attention to what you have to say. So, it’s action, and then words.
Andrea: What you’re advocating is that you’re forcing a blowout. What do you mean by that?
Dr. Leman: When do you want this to end? Do you want this bickering that gives you a lump in your stomach every night and a headache, do you want it to continue the next 30 days, or would you rather have it end tonight? That’s my question. That’s why I advocate the blowout, because the quicker the better.
Doug: Why are we as parents so reticent for the blowouts, or really to just confront them, that we just hope it kind of goes away?
Dr. Leman: Well, I think because we want to be our child’s best friends. That’s prevalent in our society. Most kids are reared to think they’re the center of the universe. Some of these kids, I mean, they ought to be in drama in school, because they’re drama queens and drama kings. They play you like a fiddle. My latest book, Why Kids Misbehave and What To Do About It, is loaded with example after example about how parents just cave in. They’re actually the ones that teach their kids how to misbehave. Now, think about that what I’m saying. Hey parent, you’re the one that has taught your kid to misbehave through faulty parenting, through faulty assumptions on your part. You’re the creator of this. You’re the conductor of the family orchestra. When you owe up to that then you’ll be ready to pull off the blowout and feel better about it.
Doug: Well, I think we should give people an example of what a blowout would look like versus a slow leak. Before we do that, this is like perfect timing to be honest, the ebook for this week is Have a New Kid by Friday. So, wherever you get your eBooks, however, you get them, from Kindle’s, through NOOK’s, to whatever, for $2.99 you can get it between now and the end of December 2020. This is perfect if you’re trying to figure out how to do blowouts. What did they say about it, Andrea?
Andrea: Evan says, “Possibly the last parenting book you will need. If you have a child who challenges every aspect of your parenting, or even any aspect of your parenting, I highly recommend this book. This quite possibly will be the last parenting book you will need. I’m pretty sure it’s the last one I will need. My young twins, age four, were transformed in about a week, and others who know them well commented on it.”
Doug: So, this is the book that got us launched down this road. I cannot say enough good things about it, that if you want the confidence to have the blowouts get the book. Now, a no-nonsense parenting moment with Dr. Kevin Leman.
Dr. Leman: Parents, one of the smartest things I ever did was take my daughter out of the gifted program at school. I know there’s parents right now are cringing hearing me say that, because you’re so proud that your little Drucilla is gifted. Well, one of the things we know about gifted children is that they have the highest incidence of mental illness, there’s a corollary there between the two. In my estimation, if a son or daughter has to travel to another school that would be lockdown, “No, it’s not going to happen.” I’m going to keep my child in the local school. I think gifted programs are overblown. Are some of them great? They are, but there’s an awful lot of them that I don’t think do your son or daughter a great service. Is your son or daughter a reader, do they achieve on their own, do they dig for information? Keep them where they are.
Doug: Dr. Leman, so let’s do an example, a role-playing, of how a slow leak would look different to a parent. So, let’s say, what’s a good example, Andrea, chores?
Andrea: Chores are always great.
Doug: Chores are always great.
Andrea: Not doing their chores.
Doug: Not do their chores. Sally is supposed to always be doing the dishes, and she’s a one out of seven days kind of a dishes person. So, if you’re the parent, and you’re going to do a blowout instead of just doing the dishes yourself, how would this sound and what would it look like?
Dr. Leman: Well, let’s set up the situation where mom comes in and the dishes, which were not done last night, are still sitting there. Let’s start with that.
Doug: Okay.
Dr. Leman: The kids are home. The daughter just came in from volleyball practice, and the son just came in from his activity, and everybody is glad it’s the end of the day. What everybody’s got on their mind is food, hunger, and maybe it’s 14-year-old son that goes bouncing in and says, “Mom, mom, I’m starving. What’s for dinner?” Now, here’s the blowout. “Honey. I don’t have a clue what’s your dinner, but I am very, very upset to walk in here and see these dishes still here. I work all day, so does your dad. To come home to this really makes me angry. Your dad and I are going out,” and get in the car and leave. I don’t care if you have to go down to Denny’s and get the Grand Slam. That forces a blowout. How do the kids feel? Do the kids feel good about themselves? Do they have positive regard? Good self-esteem? No, they’re very upset because mom just laid it on the line and said, “Hey, I am very unhappy.” That’s all she had to say. She didn’t have to start a fight. She didn’t have to lose her temper. She just said it with authority and, again, that’s a God-given right, parent, that you get from Almighty God to be in healthy authority over your children.
So, let’s fast forward after we’ve had our little treat down at Denny’s, and an hour and a half later you come home. Here’s my question. Are the dishes cleaned?
Doug: Did the kids do them?
Andrea: Yeah, they did.
Doug: Oh yeah, they did.
Dr. Leman: Oh yeah. Well, that’s what I’m saying. In 99% of those cases those dishes will be cleaned. Now, if they weren’t cleaned, ut oh, now we really are setting into a power struggle here. Again, you got to be careful how you do this one. Trust me kids love maid service, and that’s what many kids get in our homes across America is maid service. Parents do way too much for their kids. Their laundry is laundered perfectly and put in their drawers, and all that. When all those things come together and start stopping, the kid is really going to notice. Is he going to be happy about this? No, but you continue to express your dissatisfaction with their willingness to pull their weight in your home. So again, usually with most kids when you just pull a rug out and let that little buzzard tumble at that point. Like, “Hey, we’re out of here,” and they know that you’re upset, usually that will take that kid who’s been lazy, to call a spade a spade, and they’ve shirken their responsibilities, that alone will usually get a kid back in line.
Doug: So Dr. Leman, I got a little confession here. Why does that sound so harsh to even me, just to be like, “Wow, we’re disappointed and we’re going to dinner.”
Dr. Leman: Some of you are thinking, “Hey, Leman, couldn’t you do better than Denny’s?” Yeah, go wherever you want. Name the kid’s favorite restaurant if you want, I don’t care. It sounds rough, I guess, because that’s not what parents do today. They’re into, “Brittany, have you chosen to go to bed yet?” I mean, it’s crazy. We’re permissive parents for the most part, and within the Christian community there’s a lot of authoritarian parents around who are just way over the top. They try to just control everything their kids do, and that does, as we’ve talked about many times, plant the seeds of rebellion in a child’s life.
You said it before, Doug, about Have a New Kid by Friday. Hey, parents, I’ve written a lot of books on parenting, but what that one person said is, “Hey, you’ll never need another parenting book if you read Have a New Kid by Friday.” I believe it’s true. That’s a book that will get your child’s attention. It’ll empower you to realize that you are in healthy authority over your kids. It’s jammed full of examples of how to handle about everything that’s going to come your way. So, we’re downloading it for 2.99 to you. My goodness, take advantage of that. Tell your friends about that one.
Doug: You know, the other thing … Yeah, it’s, oh it’s phenomenal, and the whole back half is great. The other thing that I think that parents need to know, because Andrea and I have done a couple of blowouts with our kids, is how many times do you have to do it to get the kids’ attention? Is it 1, 20, 100?
Dr. Leman: I think your average is once. It’s not many. I mean, I think you get a kid’s attention real quickly when you stick to your guns.
Doug: Well, that’s what I was going to say. Most of our blowouts, we’ve only had to do it one time. The interesting thing you say about that is, now that our kids are a little bit older they’ll even reference that blowout time as the time to be like, “Yeah, that’s when we realized we were doing something wrong.”
Dr. Leman: Let me add one other thing. I know a lot of people are not avid readers, to read a book for them is sort of a chore. I’ll just make mention of this, if you would like a DVD, we have a six-part DVD on Have a New Kid by Friday. It’s available at drleman.com. I think the cost is $25, drleman.com. You just got to spell Leman right, L-E-M-A-N. So, you might have a spouse who isn’t going to read that book, and you’d love them to read it, but they might take a look at this DVD series. It’s been very, very popular. The nice thing about DVDs is you can play them over, and over, and over again till you get it down.
Andrea: So, I’m just trying to replay how this blow out goes in my mind, to wrap things up for myself, and for everyone. The key is that you are making a change in the way you normally treat a situation, and that you are going to just be abrupt, and you’re going to be authoritative about your decision, and you’re not going to let them drag you into a fight. Did I get that right?
Dr. Leman: You got a five star on that one, Miss Andrea.
Doug: Andrea, we’re going to Denny’s after that. Way to go, Sweetie.
Andrea: Woo-hoo.
Dr. Leman: That’s one of my favorite jokes, by the way. Sometimes I’ll tell people. “Yeah. I took my wife out to dinner to a really nice restaurant, and it really ticked me off she ordered the most expensive thing on the menu. Yeah, she ordered the Grand Slam.”
Doug: Well, for all you parents out there, this is one of those phrases that helped Andrea and I. We even know it works and yet we still need to be re-reminded blowouts are way better than slow leaks. Slow leaks don’t work. You think you’re hinting at your children, and you think you’re hinting at your mate. It doesn’t work. Be direct. Blowouts are beautiful, and you only have to do them once.
Andrea: I don’t know if beautiful is the way I would describe them.
Doug: It’s not the word you would describe them?
Andrea: Yeah.
Doug: Yeah. But you only have to do them once, and it doesn’t harm your relationship with your kids and all that craziness that we’re afraid of. So, great. Well, and honestly to feel even more confident about blowouts go get the book, Have a New Kid by Friday. It’s fabulous to give you confidence on how to stick to your guns to do the right thing. So, it was great to be with you and add to that parenting toolbox. If you want the DVDs, go to drleman.com and get them there, as well. If someone’s not a reader and wants to watch it while they’re running on the treadmill, or on a Saturday night, I highly recommend it. Well, it’s great to be with you to add to your parenting toolbox.
Andrea: Have a great week.
Doug: Take care. Bye-bye.
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Doug: “I hate you. You are an idiot, you are stupid, and I never want to see you again.” These are the words that Sommer, I imagine, hears from her two kids. And she says, “Help. My kids fight like dogs, and I don’t know what to do. How do I get them to like each other?” Well, that’s the question that Sommer asks that we get to ask Dr. Leman. Hi, I’m Doug Terpening.
Andrea: And I’m Andrea.
Doug: And we are really glad that you are with us this beautiful day and want to let you know if it’s your first time, this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or your child, please visit your local professional for help. Well, let’s hear what Sommer’s question is about her kids’ fighting.
Sommer: Hi, Dr. Leman. My name is Sommer. I’m from Missouri. I have a 15-year-old daughter and a 13-year-old son. We found Have a New Teenager about three months ago, and it has been amazing in the transformation of my daughter’s reaction and responding to us. However, the relationship between my two kiddos is horrible. My daughter has been mean to my son since he’s been born. And of course, we would get onto her immediately whenever these things would happen. Fast forward 13 years, and they both are saying and hitting each other and just being really horrible all the time to each other. We don’t take sides. So both of them will typically either get sent outside if we’re at home. But there are times I’m just about to pull my hair out because they cannot seem to ever say anything or do anything nice for each other. So how, as a parent, can me and my husband foster their relationship now, going forward? Any help would be great.
Dr. Leman: Okay, Sommer. Thank you so much for that question. 15-year-old girl. I love… I’m just quoting you, Sommer, “She’s been mean to him since he was born.” So the little princess heard that she was going to get the special present. The special present came home, and she figured out this guy is nothing but trouble, “He is competition to my throne of queen of the home.” And, again, I’m just using your words, whenever she was on him and nasty to him, you were right back on her. And what’s happened here, and you have to admit, you sort of trained her, that one of the ways she’ll get your undivided attention is if she’s mean to little Brutus, her brother. So that’s what you’re up to, historically. Now the good news is I want everybody to hear what you said. You found Have a New Teenager by Friday.
Now, I’m not smoking you. That is the best little book. You have a teenager. If you got a middle-schooler, read Planet Middle School, and if you want to graduate from Planet Middle School, read the book that Sommer has just referenced, Have a New Teenager by Friday. Yes, you’re familiar with Have a New kid by Friday as well and Have a New Husband by Friday, Have a New You by Friday. Yeah, I get it, I got hung up on Friday, but my point is that these kinds of issues can be dealt with practically. Now, you’re asking for the miracle of how do we get these kids to really love on each other? Well, I’m going to make a brave statement. They do love each other. Right now, they love each other. They’re brother and sister. They fight like cats and dogs. I get it, but they still love each other.
When somebody picks on little brother, sister will be there to defend him, believe it or not, and vice versa. And as a predictor of great things to happen, the day is coming, Sommer, when those kids will be in each other’s weddings. The bad news is that’s probably about 10 years away or more. In the meantime, your question is, “How do I foster, as husband and wife, a better relationship between those two?” Well, you’re not going to have a lot of success with that, quite frankly. Those of you who heard my podcasts over the years are maybe raising an eyebrow on that one, but these kids are very close in age. They’re obviously competitive. It’s not going to turn into a love fest, but I want to tell you straight out, one of the things that got my attention when you first started asking your question is you held both of them accountable.
And so to answer your question, I would suggest you continue to do so, keeping in mind that fighting’s an act of cooperation. You said you didn’t pick sides. That’s step two. I mean, you’ve got the book, you’re taking the right steps. What you need is time and maturity. Stick to your guns. Don’t try to figure out whoever did what. Let both of them pay, so to speak. You mentioned putting them outside. I love that idea. Canceling an event that you were going to go to, they were going to enjoy is good, because “I’m just so sick of you guys going after each other. I don’t have the emotional courage to get in the car and drive anywhere right now,” those kind of things. So the kids see there’s a direct connection between their misbehavior and your non-compliance to make their life a little nicer and better.
So that is the prescription that I would write for you, Sommer. I’m telling you, I don’t think things are going to be night and day different in two weeks. I think they’re going to go after each other. I think it’s going to lessen in time. And you’re already on a good trajectory here, you’re a good mom, you’re doing the right things, not holding them accountable, not picking sides. And I’d be very matter of fact about, “You two are horrible to each other. It’s disgusting that you don’t have enough self-worth to be kind to one another.” I’d say some things like that once in a while. I wouldn’t harp on it. It wouldn’t be every day, but they would get the gist that I’m very unhappy, we’re very unhappy with how things are, okay?
The kids are after each other just before dinner, throw out the white flag, say, “Come on, John, get in the car.” Take your husband out and get a bite to eat. Let the kids stand there and look at each other and make sure they clean up the kitchen when they’re done with whatever they did, that kind of an approach. What do you guys think?
Doug: Well, I’m raising an eyebrow. Like you said that we would, both Andrea and I did, in the fact that you said it’s not going to get better, even if you apply these principles. Why is it not going to get better?
Dr. Leman: They’re exhibiting competitive behavior. Okay? I did say it’ll get better over time, but it’s not going to get instantly better. She’s doing everything she should be doing. She’s holding both of them accountable. She’s not taking sides. She realized this has gone on forever. If it’s gone on forever from day one, it’s not going to change right now. They’re in the height of adolescence. This is when kids are probably the meanest to each other. Those ages are tough ages. I tried to call a spade, a spade and say, “They really do love each other.” If somebody from the outside comes in and tries to hurt one another, they’ll be the first to defend them. And they will be in each other’s wedding someday. So stay the course, do the best you can. When it gets too much, you put them outside or you take a powder for a while. Let them suffer the consequences. Let them understand you’re unhappy.
Andrea: Is there any creative thing that they could do as parents with their kids to put them in a situation where they have to depend on each other a little more? I don’t know, like, “Okay, we’re going river rafting. And if you don’t do your part, this is scary, and everybody’s…” Things that pull people together.
Dr. Leman: You got me laughing because that’s the last place I’d take them is river rafting. I wouldn’t take these two miserable kids to anything, let alone river rafting. That costs big money. It’s a great adventure. I know where you’re going with it, trying to put them in a situation where they need each other. Well, they do need each other. They really do. They haven’t figured out that fighting’s an act of cooperation. If one of them decided not to fight any longer, think about this, if one of them, either the 13-year-old refused to fight, or the 15-year-old refused to fight, guess what? There wouldn’t be any fighting in the family. It takes two to fight. You have to know exactly what to say to escalate the battle. And these kids are really good at it.
So, again, “If you two want to fight, fight outside.” I’d grab them by the arm. I’d put them outside. I’d lock the door. You say it’s raining. I don’t care. I put them outside. Let them argue in the rain. A guy made a million dollars, singing a song about singing in the rain. Let them go fight in the rain. It’s okay. So there’s there’s action-oriented things you can do as a parent that just says, “Hey, you crossed the line here.” Okay? But, again, I wouldn’t look for a Cinderella story here where everything flips in short period of time.
Doug: Yeah. I have a question about how I can make it more peaceful. But before I do that, I don’t want to forget, you get a few more days that you can get the book Intimate Connection for $1.99 between now and the end of November of 2020, wherever eBooks are sold. Dr. Leman, my question for you is, who is the intimate connection for? Is it for healthy marriages? Is it for those that are just slightly off? Would it help people that are in divorce? Who’s this book for?
Dr. Leman: Well, I think it’s a marriage book that anybody about to get married ought to read. If you’ve walked down the aisle, and you’re finding that marriage isn’t exactly what you thought it would be, it’s for you. If you weathered the storm for over seven years… And by the way, that’s the average marriage today in our country, lasts about seven years, and you’re done. Or if you’ve been at it a long time, and it just seems like it’s hopeless, The Intimate Connection is a wonderful resource. It gets you down to the brass tacks real early in the book about what a good marriage looks like, gives you ways to get there, and I think more than anything else, it gives you hope that things could change, if you’re willing to do some change on your part.
Doug: So get it wherever you get your eBooks between now and the end of November of 2020. And now, a no-nonsense parenting moment with Dr. Kevin Leman.
Dr. Leman: Parents, in life, your son, or daughter’s going to run into bad things, bad situations, bad environments, bad friends. And as a parent, it’s real easy to feel like you’re the puppeteer, and you’re going to pull strings and just make things happen. Sometimes kids really have to figure out that maybe the kids they hung around with weren’t the best. In fact, I know a young lady, she’s just 14 years old, who told me, she said, “I think I want to enjoy meeting some new friends this year. I think some of those older friends have really taken me down.” And I thought, “Wow, what an insightful young kid.”
If there’s a kid your kid’s running with that you’re suspect of, have them over to the house, bring them over for dinner, eyeball them, and make sure that you’re eyeballing appropriately, that you’re really seeing things as it is. Get your husband’s opinion, older sister, older brother, anybody. Am I saying to let your kids just run wild with kids that are a poor influence? No, I’m not, but I’m saying you just can’t pull a rug out and try to control every kid’s friendship, or it’s going to backfire.
Doug: Okay, Andrea, let’s be honest. If these were our children, the question I’d be asking you, Dr. Leman, is, “I got to get some peace around here. This is just driving me nuts. I can’t even handle it. How can I get some semblance of peace? I’m just tired of the bickering.”
Dr. Leman: If you want behavioristic measures to deal with kids, again, listen to what mom says about her children. Okay? This is a quote from Sommer, “They’re horrible.” You got horrible kids. As soon as they start horrible behavior, if I’m the parent, I’m putting them outside. Okay, I’m physically putting them outside. If I, as a mom, can’t do it, and dad’s nearby, he can do it. I just tell them, “You can fight all night out there. You can yell and scream. You can hit each other, do whatever you want to do.” That’s how I would deal with it. In other words, you can’t fight in the house. You want to fight? You have to fight outside. That’s how I’d deal with it. But, again, you just got to realize this has gone on from birth. And obviously 15-year-old feels threatened. If there’s ever a conversation where she’s really open to what you’re talking about, you need to explore why she feels the way she does.
“Well, he bothers me. He’s always here. He’s always doing this. He’s always doing that.” “No, honey, no, you were the queen. And then he came along, and you decided there wasn’t enough love in mom and dad to share with little brother, that you needed all the hugs.” She needs to be pointed out, the 15-year-old, how selfish she is. She’s a selfish 15-year-old girl. She cannot be a pleasure to be around. I can’t imagine that she’s hitting it off on all eight cylinders in school, because that would get a little old. She must be a drama queen. I mean, so that conversation comes, but only after you have willing ears on the other side of the conversation. It’s not something as a parent, you’re just going to magically create kids who are kind to each other. That’s why I say it’s got to run its course, which it will. But at some point you have to have that conversation about your selfish nature. For both of them, they’re both selfish. Fighting’s an act of cooperation. Kids need to understand that.
Doug: Yeah. So, Andrea, you are a little more tenderhearted, compassionate. Could you put John and Carly outside when they’re fighting, say, “You can fight as much as you want, but get out of here and do it.”
Andrea: Well, it’s hard to imagine that ’cause I haven’t had to deal with that. I think that if I was fed up with it, I could.
Doug: What would you need to be able to be that?
Andrea: To be fed up with it.
Doug: So just, “I’m done, and I can do this.”
Andrea: Yeah.
Doug: Okay.
Andrea: Yeah.
Doug: Great. Wow. Don’t do that to me.
Andrea: I mean, if it was 20 degrees outside, that would be a different story.
Doug: Well, Sommer, we really appreciate your question. And, again, I couldn’t encourage you enough to go get the book, Have a New Teenager by Friday. So much of this is about having the confidence that, “I can do this, and it’s going to turn out well for me.” I’ve said repeatedly, the best thing about doing this podcast and these books is how much it’s helped my parenting and Andrea’s parenting to know that we can do these things, and it works. I’m just telling you. And you don’t have to do it very often. You just have to do it one, maybe two times. In your case, you’ve done it a whole bunch, so you’ve got a few more attempts to change it. But for most of us, it’s surprising how few times you have to put them outside for them to get the message that Mom’s done, Dad’s done with this.
So I encourage you to get that book, and you can get Intimate Connection between now and the end of November of 2020 for $1.99. Well, it was great to be with you. Oh, and I want to remind you, go to birthorderguy.com/podcastquestion, birthorderguy.com/podcastquestions, and put your questions in here, and we’d love to answer it for you. Well, it was great to be with you and add to your parenting toolbox so that you can love those kids more and more.
Andrea: Thanks for coming along with us today.
Doug: Have a great day. Take care.
Andrea: Bye-bye.
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Doug: How in the world do I get my spouse to be on the same page with me in parenting? I mean, they do everything to undermine my parenting. I serve good food. They serve bad food. I try and have real conversations and they’re always telling us what’s too serious. How, Dr. Leman, can I possibly parent when we’re on the opposite sides of the spectrum? Oh, that’s the question we get to ask Dr. Leman today. Hi, I’m Doug Terpening.
Andrea: And, I’m Andrea.
Doug: And it is so great to be with you today. Welcome. And if this happens to be your first time with us, we want to let you know this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or your child, please go seek a local professional for help. Well, Dr. Leman, today’s question is one of the classics. How do I get my kid to eat? How do I get my kid to stay in their bed? And how do I get my spouse on the same page in parenting? Why is this such a common question, and what can we do about it?
Dr. Leman: Well, believe it or not, Doug and Andrea, it’s a sign of competition in a marriage. Okay. I always love to ask couples the question, who’s winning your marriage? And they sort of look at you with a startled look, what do you mean winning the marriage? Well, who’s winning? Who gets their way? Who’s calling the shots? And see to anybody who’s asked the question, how do I get my spouse to be on the same page, I want to go back and ask the question, wait a minute, have you two ever been on the same page about anything? And my findings anecdotally have been that the answer to that is no, we never have been on the same page. So the question that comes up, how do I get my spouse on the same page is just the result of, hey, now we have children and I can obviously see the great differences in how we see life in terms of I’m law and order, toe the line, authoritarian-based parent and my husband is I didn’t hear that bomb go off. He’s permissive. He gives kids third and fourth chances. He can’t hold them accountable for anything.
Dr. Leman: Well, to really answer that question, we do have a book called the Intimate Connection and another one called The Birth Order Book, which are two great books to read to really get to that question because you, as a spouse have learned to be the person you are from guess who? Your mom and dad, your siblings, that dynamic fluid relationship that exists from the time you’re born to the time you leave the nest and go off the service or get a job, college, or marry. But when you are in an intimate connection, like a marriage, these things are just glaring out at you. You can not ignore the fact that you two see life completely different.
Dr. Leman: And it really tests, I think, the very essence of how strong your marital bond is. And a lot of people marry for the wrong reasons, out of insecurities. I would suggest to anybody who’s asking that question to do some real soul searching. You want to read a good book on marriage, The Intimate Connection. Another one that’s a great book to read is called Sheet Music, which is a sexual guide for couples, but that gets into the basics of what marriage is all about. And then family systems, the system that you came out of, the beliefs you thought about life, how you tackled all the problems that came your way, you’ll find solutions and good information as to why you are the way you are today in that little Birth Order book.
Dr. Leman: So I’ve always said, “Yeah, you can run to a shrink at 350 an hour or whatever, or you can do some self-shrinking at home. Do some reading. Try to put together the puzzle as to why you are the way you are. Because when you say to your husband turn left, he automatically says, no, we’re going to turn right. And that division gets wider and wider and wider and it builds up a wall, a wall that’s cemented by the mortar of indifference, and sooner or later, you’ll get to that place, folks, where that wall is, you’ll be unable to penetrate it and you’ll be strangers. You won’t have a shred of intimacy in your life, and you’ll be lucky to stay married. If you stay married, it will be for the sake of the children, et cetera. I’ve heard that way too many times. So it’s a serious question, okay?
Dr. Leman: If you’re talking about techniques, realize that the fighting you do is an act of cooperation. You have to understand that both of you own this thing, it’s not just one person. And when I say fighting’s an act of cooperation, I mean, you have to know exactly what to say to escalate the battle. For example, if your wife says something is really off the wall and you said to her, “Wow, never thought of it that way,” that doesn’t escalate. Do you see what I’m saying? So you come up with some ways of not getting in each other’s face immediately, but trying to hear the other person out and get behind the other person’s eyes and see how they see life. Because the two of you are not going to see life the same, but you need to live harmoniously, not only for the sake of your marriage but for the sake of your children, because that breeds security in kids. I’ll shut up and let you guys give your insight into what I just said, Andrea and Doug.
Andrea: Well, I was just wondering what are some practical steps that can be taken to break down that wall that might be developing?
Dr. Leman: Well, the first one we’ve already mentioned, that is don’t be so quick to jump on everything. The wow, that’s interesting, tell me more about that. Now, tell me more about that, you talk about a technique, this is in gold. Instead of saying to your husband, “Well, why would you say that?” As soon as you say why to a man you’ve lost him. His defenses are up. He’s going to defend himself and this conversation’s going nowhere. He says something and you say, “Interesting, tell me more about that.” Now, how hard is that to memorize? And that gives that man an opportunity to reach in and literally tell you what’s going on in his head. And then after you’ve listened to what he says, a simple, “Okay, let me see if I have this right,” and then restate to him what you just heard him say. And then again, husbands, if when she restates it, it’s not exactly what you meant, then clarify it. And you volley back and forth using that paradigm and you’ll get to the real issue, whatever it might be.
Dr. Leman: But again, I go back to it’s competition in marriage. And you see it in couples all the time, they correct each other, overcorrect each other, put each other down very subtly sometimes. It just leads to an unhappy environment. And you don’t hang out with people who make you feel uncomfortable. Let me say that again. You don’t hang out with people who make you feel uncomfortable. If your wife makes you feel uncomfortable, you’re going to start hanging out with other people. If your husband makes you feel uncomfortable, you’re going to do your best to avoid him. And that’s how you get to divorce real simply.
Andrea: So Doug, is it true that when I asked you why, that drives you away?
Doug: Oh, without a doubt, yeah. It’s so hard for me to talk. Period. And I’m pretty high on the scale of emotionally available men, but you push too much and I just shut down. It’s just way too hard. Yeah.
Andrea: So, Dr. Lehman’s recommending thing, “Oh, wow, that’s interesting. Tell me more,” would that be more inviting to you?
Doug: Oh, without a doubt. And I would carefully give you one more quasi-thing about what I really think.
Andrea: In your response to me?
Doug: Yep. And then see how you respond. And if you attack me, I’m shutting up and leaving. I’m not staying to fight. I can’t fight.
Dr. Leman: How about this one, Doug, I need your help with something?
Doug: Oh, really. I’m there. What do you mean?
Dr. Leman: See, a man wants to feel needed. And today’s marital mate seems to be very, very self-sufficient, whether you’re a man or a woman. And I think there’s something wonderful about getting to a point in your marriage where you realize I need this other person who sees life differently than me, who has different tastes and different beliefs. I mean, you’re not clones of each other. So trying to get behind each other’s eyes as I like to say, and understand where someone’s coming from is really important. Doug, what’s the date today, broadcast-wise?
Doug: November 17th.
Dr. Leman: Perfect. This is so perfect because in real-time, we’re not far from that. But I want to share something with you that happened with the Lemans. Okay. I am planning on a fishing trip in April with a high school buddy who I love. He is so much fun. He was fun in high school and he’s still fun today as an old guy. And we were going to go up and fish in the San Juan River in New Mexico. Well, the coronavirus has taken its toll up there and the governor has an opened up the place where we want to go fishing. So now I’m looking at alternative places. There’s a place called Lee’s Ferry up near Page, Arizona, right up on the Utah border. It’s about a six-hour drive from where I live. And it’s trophy fishing. You get a guide. You’re in the Colorado River. It’s a beautiful country. I’ve never been up there. So I wanted to take a ride up there. I’ve been anxious to do a little traveling in the car.
Dr. Leman: And I said to Mrs. Uppington, I said, “Honey, how would you like to take a ride with me up to Page, Arizona?” “Where’s Page, Arizona?” I said, “Honey, it’s up on the Utah, Arizona border.” “I can’t go anywhere right now. The holidays are coming.” This is a quote, “The holidays are coming.” I asked that question about October 18th or 19th. The holidays are coming. I mean, it was like mother hen was now molting and losing her feathers before my eyes. I mean, it was just how could you possibly suggest that I could take an overnight? It’d be up overnight, stay at a hotel, come back the next day. Now, I’m telling you, I know this woman. I can watch a TV program with her and I know the split second that tears going to come over that eyelid. I know her that well. And quite frankly, I should have never asked the question because once October 1st rolls around, she is completely controlled by the holidays. The house has to look like Disney Land, okay?
Dr. Leman: Right now, it’s got remnants of a little ghost flying through the window. I’m looking at it and there’s a big sign that says “get spooked” next to it, whatever that means. And we got grandchildren, so she does a lot of that stuff for the grandchildren. But it’s crazy. I know that woman, I should have never asked that question. Does it make any sense whatsoever that she couldn’t take an overnight and pause for a couple of days? No. It makes no sense whatsoever. Of course, she could. But I know her well enough to know at this time of year, all of the sudden, I don’t know if it’s sugar plums dancing in her head or whatever it is, but she gets it in her mind, and of course, the kids are coming for Thanksgiving, most of them, and then all of them are coming for Christmas, so she’s already in high gear.
Dr. Leman: I went to take the garbage out early this morning. Now here’s a real fact from a Leman’s house. At five o’clock this morning, I took the garbage out and I put it in the back of her Highlander and I drove it down the road. It’s quite a ways down to the garbage place. But when I opened the back seat, I thought, oh, no, what is that? That’s what I said to myself. Oh, what is that? And I don’t know, she’s got umpteen more decorations in there. The garages are full of decorations. So I’m just telling you, I’m a psychologist, I wrote the books, I ask the stupid questions too. I should know better, okay? At this time of year, when she’s molting, I just got to let her molt. So there it is full disclosure on our podcast.
Doug: So, Dr. Leman, now that you’re laying down on the couch, should we go through some more therapy sessions with you while you’re confessing?
Dr. Leman: Well, the bottom line is we’re working toward the intimate connection. And the intimate connection is that ability just to be on a same tone, the same heartbeat as your mate. I’m the first to tell you that most couples don’t have that. The great majority of couples do not have that. Is it something that’s worthy of working toward? Very much so. Can you get there? You can, with hard work, with full disclosure, with honesty, and transparency on both of your parts. That little Intimate Connection book I’m telling you, it is worth the price. I don’t know, I think we’re giving it away at a $1.99 this month or something like that, whatever it is. But that is a powerful little book. If you know that your marriage could use just a little help, jump on that book, jump on that opportunity.
Doug: Well, with that said, it is, you’re right. Between now and the end of November of 2020, wherever eBooks are sold, you can get it for a mere buck-99. And, Margaret, wrote in something, Andrea.
Andrea: Yeah, this is what Margaret says, “Secrets to a Lifelong Romance. What does it look like to own your own junk and become a healthy individual mentally and emotionally so that you can relate on a better level with others, specifically your spouse in this one. Dr. Lehman covers 13 secrets to lifelong romance starting with changing ourselves first, then identifying what outside forces have shaped us and what kind of preconceived notions do we hold onto. He does a great job of helping the reader see how this is impacting them and their spouse.
Doug: So wherever you get your eBooks, get it now. There’s only a little bit of time left between now and the end of November of 2020. And now, a no-nonsense parenting moment with Dr. Kevin Leman.
Dr. Leman: I get questions frequently about appropriate dress. What’s appropriate? I get these from people in schools, teachers, administrators, I get them from parents. Here’s my tip on inappropriate clothing. Be the parent you need to be. If something is inappropriately worn, the next thing in life, whatever it is, for example, catching the school bus, being driven to school does not happen. So, parent, you’re the ones. Don’t rely upon the school. School’s got way too many rules. But you can have rules, general rules about looking appropriate, not looking for appropriate. All I’m asking you to do is exercise your God-given parental control, a simple, “Honey, the car’s not leaving until you change. That’s mighty inappropriate.” Now, they’ll fight you. They’ll have a blowout. If they’re late for school, let them be late. Call school and tell them they’re late. Ask if they’ll talk to your daughter about being on time next time. There’s a lot of ways to skin the proverbial cat. But inappropriate dress is not allowable in your home.
Doug: Okay, Dr. Leman, you had your moment on the couch. Now, it’s Andrea and I’s turn for our moment on the couch. Are you ready, Andrea? So here’s our big fear in what you’re talking about, about getting on the same page and stop competing is, we are both afraid that we are going to get walked over by the other person, that we have our desires, we have our things we’d like to do, and they’re not the same, right? Andrea wants to do gardening and I want to go loud and explosive. And how do we get over that fear that we’re just going to have to give everything up for the other person so that we can have this intimate connection?
Dr. Leman: Well, I think it’s a age-old concept of putting each other first. I think that takes a mental toughness on your part. We’re all hedonistic people. I’ll tell you one of the things that, and this is just self-disclosure that I keep reminding me about in my own life is, God hates pride. Pride is really easy. It’s really easy to get full of yourself, to think only of yourself. I was at the gas station the other day and this guy behind me, he was pretty old and he was really moving slow. And it just warmed my heart, the guy up from behind me, the guy behind him, we were at a Costco. If you ever bought gas at Costco, you know those lines can be long because I paid a $1.75 for the gas to give you an idea, a gallon. But this younger guy jumps out of a Jeep and he says to this guy, “Can I help you with that, sir?”
Dr. Leman: And it just warmed my heart to see that. Mrs. Uppington, the lady I’m married to, is famous for buying someone lunch. She loves Starbucks. She’s always buying Starbucks for people. I don’t know how she does that. I don’t know how she estimates what they order or whatever, but somehow she gets it done. But it’s just what I’m saying is I think it’s basic commitment to really honoring this woman, honoring this man you live with and doing things that you know pleases him, pleases her.
Dr. Leman: And, here’s the kicker. The important statement here is you don’t have to love doing that, you just have to do it. And that’s, I think, what part of sacrificial love is all about, servant love is all about. You want what’s best for him. You want what’s best for her. So there’s times you say … And you do things. You set up things that she will like. It’s those little things that bring that, “Oh, you’re so sweet.” When you do that, man, I’m telling you hit her hotspot. That’s just flat out simple. You’re watering that marital plant with healthy water whenever you do that, believe me. And it’s going to pay off for both of you.
Andrea: You said that it’s not necessarily something we’re going to like doing. Do we eventually come around to liking it?
Dr. Leman: Some people do. If you read Sheet Music, you’ll get an earful there on things that couples engage in sexually. I mean, I’ve had so many people behind closed doors and talking about marriage over the years, but people who hated certain aspects of their sexual life who now love them, look forward to it. I mean, people change, The old ad, “Mikey likes it. He likes it.” Sometimes you have to try some things. You do some experimentation, you have fun. I talk with our teachers yesterday at one of our schools, I gave them a professional development talk and I reminded them that at Leman Academy of Excellence, fun is a natural part of what we do. It’s part of our curriculum. Learning ought to be fun. So make sure that classroom teaching is fun. Engage with the scholars and don’t do all the talking, get them involved, get them talking, ask for their opinions, especially the junior high guys, the middle-schoolers. Ask a middle-schooler their opinion, they all have opinions. So anyway, none of what we talk about on our podcast, folks, is rocket science, none of it.
Andrea: Here’s my little story. I don’t really enjoy watching sports. But recently the Dodgers did really well in the World Series and I watched more baseball with Doug than I have in forever. And I would say in the past, “No, that does not sound fun.” But it was really fun to watch the final game with him the other night. And we made a poster before he came home, “Go Dodgers” with balloons. And I put on blue and white. I really wanted to get into the moment. And I would say, I actually really enjoyed it. It was super fun. We cooked hot dogs for dinner, just tried to get into the moment. So there’s some hope for you ladies, that if it’s not something you necessarily enjoy, keep on like Dr. Leman said, just do it to honor them, and then eventually it might be fun for you.
Doug: Well, and to follow-up on that is the idea that gardening hasn’t been my top 10 things, but we worked at it and I found a way that I can engage with your gardening and I enjoy it now too. So we’re getting there. It just takes a little bit of time.
Andrea: 22 years.
Doug: 22 years.
Dr. Leman: See, you got a wonderful wife there, Terp, I’m telling you. That made me smile from ear to ear. I can see her in her blue and white. It also reminded me that Mrs. Uppington, she likes to have Super Bowl parties, okay? And last Super Bowl, I mean, she’s got the decorations, she’s got table cloths that look like fields with a hundred yards on them, okay? And the people are arriving, they’re arriving and she says to me, “Who’s playing?” I mean, she doesn’t have a clue. She didn’t know who was in the Super Bowl. But she put a great party and I’m sure she got some satisfaction out of knowing that that would be fun for me as well.
Andrea: That’s great.
Doug: That’s great. So back to parenting, how do I get my spouse on the same page as parenting? One of my biases that you can tell me I’m wrong on, which I often am, we’re talking about this lofty goal of stopping the competition and being on the same page. Is it a introductory step to say, “Hey, let’s at least agree that this is how we’re going to parent?” And my bias is that I think this is why I love Have a New Kid by Friday, Parenting Without Losing Your Mind, and The Birth Order Book because then at least you guys can agree this is what we’re going to shoot for in our parenting. How much does that help resolve the conflict?
Dr. Leman: Well, it does help, Doug, and you want to have a cerebral conversation. There’s other times where you’ve got a husband or a wife who refuses to do things, and it’s going to sound childlike to some, but sometimes you have to say, “Okay, listen, I’ll tell you what, you deal with it then, okay?” And that’s putting the tennis ball life over on the other side of the court. Now many times that will spur anger and bitterness. There might be a blow-up over that. But again, I go back to, I’d rather have a blowout and get it resolved then to have it slow leak it to death.
Dr. Leman: So the other person who isn’t, quite frankly, doing their job, they’re not really being a partner so to speak. They need to be shown and feel what it’s like to handle things by yourself. It’s not easy. So again, is there an easy all answer for every couple? There isn’t. But what we talked about earlier in this podcast is downright profound because chances are you didn’t agree on a lot of stuff before you walked down the aisle and you decided in your own mind that that wasn’t a big difference because you were in love and love is going to take care of everything. Well, I got news for you. Love doesn’t always take care of everything. You have to have a like-minded spirit. You got to be pulling the rope in the right direction or there’s going to be mutiny somewhere along the line.
Doug: Well, we sure appreciate this question that you guys ask us on a regular basis about how do I get my spouse on the same page. And, Dr. Leman, again, takes us to the deeper level of we’re in competition with our spouses, which Andrea, I think is just great for us to remember sometimes. And I really did love the Dodger thing by the way. That was really fun. I forgot to tell you. I apologize. And a super thing to help you is the book Intimate Connections. I mean, you can get it for a $1.99, that’s like nothing on eBook, between now and the end of November. Read it for yourself and then go, “Wow. I should buy a copy and give it to my spouse for them to read it too.” And then it would be an amazing stocking stuffer for them. Well, it was great to be with you and we love helping add to your parenting toolbox so that you can love your kids and your spouse more and more.
Andrea: Have a great week.
Doug: Look forward to the next time. Bye-bye.
Andrea: Bye-bye.
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Doug: Today, we get to talk about how do you deal with children who won’t do anything and they’re in high school and college and you have no recourse and no idea what to do to get them motivated? That’s the question that Danielle asked that we get to ask Dr. Leman. Hi, I’m Doug Terpening.
Andrea: And I’m Andrea.
Doug: And we are so glad that you are with us. It is great to be with you again today. I would like to welcome everybody who is a first-timer here and want to let you know that this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or your child, please go seek a local professional for help. Dr. Leman, it is so great to be talking to you today. I must admit.
Dr. Leman: Yeah, 2020 has been interesting. Hasn’t it? It’s caused all kinds of problems across the board for Americans and people, quite frankly, all around the world. So we’re learning as we go. And I can tell you as a guy who has seven schools in two states, our schools have been open. We’re dealing with things that come up individually. We’ve had great success. Our scholars are so glad to be back in school and putting a sense of normalcy into people’s lives. But as you know, in a lot of areas there isn’t normalcy. Kids are at home, under foot. Parents are trying to juggle jobs and remote teaching and learning and doing work from home. So it’s really been a test of the grit of the American people, for sure.
Doug: Well, that’s just a perfect lead in to what Danielle’s question is. So here is Danielle’s questions about how do I deal with this quarantine and all this craziness. Here she is.
Danielle: Hi, Dr. Leman. I had a question. I have two older teens. One’s in college and one’s a senior in high school, presently quarantined due to the COVID virus. And we don’t know how to get them to help us around the house. They pretty much are holed up in their rooms, depressed and miserable, and it’s very difficult to get them to get outside, to get any exercise or to help around the house. Obviously we have nothing to use as leverage as they can’t go anywhere. They can’t use their car. Any suggestions on how to get a more positive attitude out of them and to get them to make the best of the situation? Thank you.
Dr. Leman: I love the question. That’s a great question. So if I got this right, we’ve got the college student and the high school junior who are quarantined, which basically means they’re probably hanging out in their individual rooms most of the time, and they don’t do a lick. So let’s give these guys a name. We’ll call them the slug and the manatee. The slug and the manatee care about themselves. They live rent free in a place where they have, apparently, laundry services and food services available to them. Internet comes with the package I’m sure. And mom says, “I don’t have any leverage.” Well, Danielle, let me tell you something. I think you’ve got all kinds of leverage. I think starting tonight when you and your husband are about to eat dinner or think about dinner, that you get in the car and go out and find a place to get a bite to eat.
If your town is on lockdown to the point where it’s only take out, then take it out. Find yourself, depending upon the weather and all that, find yourself a nice place outside to enjoy your dinner together. Or if you must, find a picturesque place someplace. Sit in your car and have your dinner. Let that be the first volley that is a shot across the bow of the good ship Family. It’s a warning that things are about to change for the slug and the manatee.
What we’re talking about at almost an adult level is what I call the bread and water treatment. You don’t give them anything really. I mean, there’s water for the taking. There’s food in the refrigerator, I assume. I would just completely back off. I wouldn’t wash a piece of clothing of theirs. If dishes and things like that are a problem, I would make paper plates available to them. And that’s it.
I’d let them know you’re very disappointed with their juvenile behavior and make sure dad chips in as well. Just make it known that you’re very, very unhappy. Okay? Don’t say you want things to change. There’s no ultimatum. There’s no anything, but there is no money given to them for anything. Okay? They are on their own. They are living in your home and there’s not going to be any communication, quite frankly, very little. Again, the effect that I want to go from you, the adults, to your two children, and you’ve chosen nice names, slug and manatee, let them get the message that things are very, very upsetting to mom and dad.
You say it once. You don’t continue. You don’t nag. You don’t try to cajole. You certainly wouldn’t bribe or anything along that line. And by the way, there’s a book that’s very apropos for a situation like yours. If you’ve never read, Have a New Teenager by Friday, it’s an award-winning book. It really helps parents see that even though your kids are older, you haven’t handed over your command of the good ship Family to anybody, especially them.
Andrea: Dr. Leman, I’m curious why you say there’s no ultimatum and little communication about what’s going on.
Dr. Leman: Ultimatums are just going to drive them… If they’re rebellious, it’s going to drive them deeper. It’s not an ultimatum. It’s just stating a fact that you’re very unhappy. Again, keep in mind that kids want to please parents. If your kid, parent, does not want to please you, there’s something seriously wrong with your home environment, that you’ve helped create for the most part. So it’s on you. But my point is that kids don’t like it when they see action on your part.
And action on your part is when your 17 year old, your junior in high school comes down the stairs and says, “Hey, I’m starving. What’s for dinner?” “Oh dad and I had dinner, honey, dinner’s over.” Again, that’s a shocky that gets, “Well what about us?” “Oh, what about you, honey? You’re fully capable of taking care of yourself.” “What is that supposed to mean?” “Well, you can tell I’m not real happy and neither is dad about how things have gone on around here.” And you can give them the, “You haven’t lifted a finger to do anything around here. From now on you’re on your own. We’re done.”
You say it with that tone. It’s going to get 17 year old’s attention. So believe me, they’re taking you for granted. They’re using you as a parent and you weren’t put on this earth to be used. And hopefully the outcome of this will be that these older kids are going to come around with, “Mom, I’m sorry. Dad, I’m sorry.” And you’re going to hear those magical words. “What can we do to help?” And when they say that, have a long list. Okay? Don’t make it a short one. And let them know that all these things, that you do daily, “for the family,” apparently, they are seemingly very ungrateful for. If there’s one thing kids need to be taught it’s to be grateful. And your kids are not.
Doug: Why a long list when they walk down and finally want to help out with the family?
Dr. Leman: Because they have to see and hear the many things that go on in this family that apparently are unnoticed by them. These are things that they just think, mom and dad, is just part of the deal. They do everything. Well, make that a long list. And it can include washing the car or again, depending upon the season where you live, shoveling of snow or raking of leaves or yard work. Name it all, on and off. But the message is, “We’re done. We’ve had it.” And that will move the kids. It’ll move them one way or another quickly.
Doug: How are they going to respond if I’ve always been coddling them, or mom’s always just done all the work around the house? And now we’re going to demand them, to do this. What does that look like?
Dr. Leman: Well, you remember, I’m sure, that one of my little favorite things is, do you want to slow leak things to death or would you rather force a blowout? This blowout, so to speak, is probably going to get them talking as brothers. And they’re going to figure out that they’re going to have to alter some of their behavior. What you have to keep in mind is that mom and dad have nourished and encouraged this kind of behavior. Or we wouldn’t be talking about a slug and a manatee. We’d be talking about kids who are saying constantly, ‘Hey mom, well, what can I do today? What you need help with? Do you need me to run to the store? Whatever.”
I mean, the kids are in lock down. The family’s locked down. And in cities and towns where this is happening, people are stepping on each other. They’re in their own way. They’re… All kinds of relationships are being tested. So I’m not pretending it’s just going to be easy. But I’m saying there’s got to be a blowout to create some inertia on their side to start doing some heart searching and saying, “You know what? We better step it up here. This isn’t good.”
Doug: Andrea, you’re the resident mom here. Right? So now you’ve got to, for the next three nights or two nights, decide you’re not going to cook anything for your kids. You’re going to go out to dinner with your husband. You’re totally going to ignore your kids. And you’re just going to walk up and say, “I am very disappointed and walk away.”
Dr. Leman: Sooner or later that kid’s going to have a conversation with you that says “What’s going on here?’ Okay? Now it’s time for talk. Now it’s time for, “I’m not only disappointed, but I needed to hear something from you guys because I’m way beyond it. I need some help. I’m not your slave. Okay? And you guys seem to only worry about your remote learning. I realize it’s not fun. I realize it’s not fun being cooped up in your room. I get it all. But you have to understand that we’re in the same predicament here. But we’re doing it all. And what I’m saying clearly is we’re done doing it all. So you’re either going to pitch in and become a part of this family and in doing so you will receive some of the benefits of being in this family. And if you choose not to, we’re going to continue on this terrible course.”
So it’s straight talk. It hones right in on the problem. “You guys, aren’t doing your fair share.” And when the kids come around, which they will do, then you begin to do things that you might normally do as a mom or a dad as part of your responsibilities in the home. But there’s no reason why a 17 year old or a college student couldn’t be doing laundry for the entire family as part of their responsibility. It doesn’t have to be mom or dad. So there needs to be a redistribution, if you will, of the work that gets done.
Andrea: And as mom, this would probably be hard, but I think that the outcome will be worth it. So it’ll be hard to hang on for a couple of days and watch them either get really angry. But hopefully like dr. Leman says they will start to come around and say, “What is it that we need to do?”
Doug: But what about-
Andrea: We created this.
Doug: But what about that first conversation? How are you going to get the courage to do that?
Andrea: Oh, I can do the first conversation. It’s the follow-up.
Doug: It’s the follow-up?
Andrea: It’s the long-term over a couple of days, still not giving in when they’re like, “What? Mom, I don’t know how to do my laundry,” or whatever it is.
Doug: Ah.
Andrea: Yeah. It’s not the first thing. Because that’s usually where the emotion is loaded.
Doug: Ah. It’s the later on when you’re softer and they’re working you over and all that kind of stuff.
Andrea: Exactly, because they are going to try and work me over.
Doug: No, not our children. Well, before I forget, because I often do. I want to make sure I get in here about the ebook special that we have right now, which is a great one, which is Intimate Connection, which you can get for $1.99 between now and the end of November of 2020. And
Andrea, somebody wrote in about this book.
Andrea: Yeah, real world help for your marriage relationship. Dr. Leman is great, funny, insightful and on-point. Priceless information to help married people with life together. And they just had their initials, K.G.B.
Doug: K.G.B., great insight on that as well. So if you want it, because I was just thinking to do this, you have to be on the same page. Don’t you, Andrea? If your husband is backing you-
Andrea: If you weren’t backing me and I was trying to do this with the kids, that would be nearly impossible.
Doug: Which is why we recommend the book Intimate Connection. Right? Get you and your spouse together so that you can be closer together so that you don’t, as the kids attack you, you can do that. And now for a no nonsense parenting moment with Dr. Kevin Leman.
Dr. Leman: You know, I get questions all the time about building up my child’s self esteem. Hey parents, listen to me carefully. You don’t build up your child’s self esteem. Whew, glad that’s over with. They build it up. They tell themselves, “See, I can help. I can do.” And so give kids an opportunity to give back to the family. As you do that, and they complete even little minor tasks, they’re telling themselves that “I’m competent.” And one of the things you want to do with a child is make sure they feel accepted, that they belong in your family. But competence is really important. That gives them the energy to move forward and tackle new projects. Don’t sell competence short because competence matters.
Doug: Alrighty. So Dr. Leman, another question that I think a lot of parents are going to have… I would… Is “Do I stop paying for things like their phone? And do I… I can’t shut the internet off because of the remote learning, but do I pay for their phone or do I make them start paying for their phone?”
Dr. Leman: That’s all a part of when I say, “You don’t give them a dime for anything.” So yeah, you cut that out. But I want to point out that for you ladies, this kind of situation is a perfect situation for you to show your sons that women are to be respected and listened to. Okay? You want to do your future daughter-in-law a great service. I mean, I wouldn’t want to send either of these boys into marriage, quite frankly. They’re both going to be pretty lousy husbands. Because I think they see women, particularly in this case, their mom is their personal slave who does all these things for them. So keep in mind that, moms, you represent all of womanhood to your sons. Dads, you represent all of manhood to your daughters. Those are the key relationships. So I know this is tough. It’s tough for a mom to say, “Enough’s enough. Time out. I’m done.” But this is a beautiful opportunity to teach your kids about the loveliness and the inherent worth of a woman, namely you, mom.
Doug: Amen. What about mom and dad hanging around the house? You know, if she’s saying they’re moping around the house, do mom and dad, are they just lively and gay around the house? Or are they just leaving the house and having fun without the kids? How do they, how do they act around home?
Dr. Leman: Well, you can only leave the house and have fun without the kids so many times in a given week, but I would encourage that as much as possible. But in the meantime I would do what you normally do. If you’re used to watching your favorite TV shows or whatever, or maybe reading is your thing and whatever it is, continue to do it. But if there’s conversation generated by either of your sons, you’re polite. You’re not snarky. But you’re not over-friendly. There’s a neutral tone to your voice. They need to feel your uncomfortableness, your unhappiness.
Doug: You know, it does make sense because Andrea and I may have had a little disagreement recently or not. And I think it is her tone of voice, at times, that can snap me out of it. Right? When she gets that little, “I am displeased in you, Douglas Terpening. That sort of helps me. I could totally see that. Not that we ever have any problems, Dr. Leman, at all.
Andrea: None at all.
Doug: None at all. Well, Danielle, I hope this helps you with the slug and the manatee to get them out of their room and actually helping you take out the trash and mow the lawn and do some of the dishes. And it sounds like you get to go hang out with your husband a little bit more, which may not be the worst thing in the world.
And we love your questions. So please, please, please go to birthorderguyguide.com/podcastquestions. And you can leave a question right there and we’ll answer it right here on the air. And as a reminder, you can get the book Intimate Connections, the e-book for a buck 99, which is a deal, between now and the end of November of 2020, wherever e-books are sold. Well, it was great to be with you and add to your parenting toolbox that you would love those kids more and more.
Andrea: Have a great day.
Doug: Take care. Bye.
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Doug: Woo-hoo. The holidays are coming just around the corner. I can’t wait for pumpkin pie and famous bread and all the good fixings that come with it. But I must admit, I think this holiday season might be totally different than years past. So I get to ask Dr. Leman, who is the master of fun, Dr. Leman, how do we make the holidays great this year? Hi, I’m Doug Terpening.
Andrea: And I’m Andrea.
Doug: And we are so glad that you are with us today. If this is your first time with us, I just want to let you know this is for your education and entertainment purposes. Only if the subject matter raises any concerns for you or your child, please go seek a local professional for help. Well,
Dr. Leman, I can already taste the pumpkin pie in my mouth, but I’m worried about the holidays. How do I make it great? You know how to throw a party just by walking down the street. How do we make the holidays great.
Dr. Leman: Well, that’s a great question. Before we answer that, let’s look at where we’ve been. Our children have been cooped up, many of them, across the country since March. Okay. They’ve experienced an education or a non-education like they never have before. They didn’t have a summer, they didn’t go to camp. They didn’t do their lessons that they normally do. Swimming lessons, you name it lessons. Almost everything has been just shut down. And so now as we approach that time of year, that we all love that is the holidays, I think it behooves us as parents to really work overtime, trying to face the holidays with a smile on our face and get together, okay, now some people’s ears just went right back, get together with those we love. Okay.
So a lot of people are thinking these holidays are going to be distant we’re not going to see each other. I question why you would go that way. What I’m saying is I think people ought to go out of their way to try to figure out, “Okay, how do we connect as family and friends in a smart way?” Okay. And I know at our schools, we take every precaution you can take. At home we do the same, and life goes on. So I think putting fun and letting kids be a part of that decision-making process. I mean, if you start a conversation at dinner with kids, “I’m thinking about Thanksgiving here coming up real soon, what would you like to do special? What would really be fun?” And let them be a part of figuring out what to do. Ditto Christmas. Okay. And the Leman family has been known at Christmas time to get in a party bus and go out and handout everything from cash to food, to hand warmers, to socks, to you name it, with the emphasis on giving to other people.
And so I know ourselves, we are going to be gathering in November and December at our home, which means all of our five children are coming to Arizona and we’re going to celebrate. We’re going to celebrate the holiday season. We have much to be thankful for as we look around at many places that you scratch your head and say the world’s falling apart, but it’s only going to fall apart on your level if you let it fall apart. So we’re going to get together. We’re going to party and we’re going to have fun like we normally do. For example, one of our children or Sandy or I have a birthday, it’s very frequent that we will have a parade. And this summer Hannah turned 33 years of age on June 30th. We paraded through our neighborhood with crazy hats, kazoos, noisemakers. We’ve done it for years. We’ve done it since she was a little kid. She’s 33. She still looks forward to her parade.
So have fun. You invent the fun. Okay? You do it the way you think your family should do it. Now, if you’re an old screw, just say, we’re not getting together. We’re afraid of COVID. Well, have a nice year. We’ll talk next year. Maybe we will get you to change your mind next year. But I think you are the one, fun is F-U-N that U part right in the middle, U, you’re the one that makes it fun. So figure it out and involve your kids in it. Enjoy each other.
Doug: So Dr. Leman, what about for the parent who’s like, “I’d love to create some fun, but I just got to be honest. A, it’s kind of not my personality and B, I am kind of overwhelmed right now with all that’s happening.” How could you help them figure out how to add some fun into this?
Dr. Leman: Well, I guess the first thing is to admit that you’re not much of a fun person. And does that really, does that line up with your faith? Does it line up with your calling? Does it line up with any commitment to your family or your community, or to your church? I mean, people are going to hide out. You can go through life scared. You can go through life as a wallflower. I remember working with a lady once, I’ll never forget her because she dressed in camouflage almost like she wanted to blend in with the earth, and I invited her to a party. And she said, I asked her if she’d like to go to a party. She said, “What kind of a party?” I said, “It’s called life. Lady, you got to get off the wall.” And actually that was a case that worked out very well. Lady made some substantial changes in her life and she did a 180, but there’s always going to be the Debbie downers who quite frankly get some psychological jollies out of being Debbie downers.
Andrea: I’m thinking of a parent who maybe has teenagers and the culture in their home has been kind of independent. And the teens are up in their room doing their online school. And mom and dad are at their desks doing their online work and to suddenly turn the tide of like, “All right, we’re all going to get together and we’re going to have fun.” And I can see blank stares right now of the teenagers. Like “What’s just happened to mom or dad?” How do you turn the tide and create a new culture?
Dr. Leman: How many in this family, I’m talking to the family you just described, are sick of doing what we’re doing. Let me see hands. Okay. So there’s, mom’s hand handed, dad’s hand and the two kids that are up doing their remote education. They’re bored silly, too. Now here’s the question, will the four of us, I mean, do we really want to continue doing this or do we want to add some fun to our life? Now if the four of you can’t figure out what would be different, in certain parts of the country there’s still some fall left. There’s still some color in the trees. When we were little, we would take kids on a ride. Okay. I’ll never forget one of my adult daughters calling us up and saying to their mother, “Mom, I’m becoming you. I just said to my husband, ‘Do you want to go for a ride?'” But even going for a ride and going to a town that’s 50 miles away and getting an ice cream that is famous in that county is better than sitting home looking at each other.
Okay. It does put you in the car. There is a time for talking to each other. I mean, we were built to be relational people. We weren’t built to be by ourselves. So again, there are some who are just stymied by all this they’re paralyzed. They’re like the rabbit in the middle of the road that has the headlights on them. And that poor little bunny doesn’t know to turn left or turn right. And I’m not sure that myself or anybody else is going to get them off that little rut in life. But if the four of you can figure something out, then that’s pretty sad.
Doug: Well, and to be an encouragement, the Terpenings, we really try to have fun. We really do. And if I were to tell you some of our … doesn’t matter. But I will tell you from experience, if you try and get four people to agree, to go do something who historically don’t go do stuff, it is painful. So just because you get silence from your kids does not mean that they don’t want to go do stuff. And they might even, right, Dr. Leman, they might even give you lip like, “You’re kidding me. We’re driving 50 miles to go get Salt and Straw ice cream.” Once they get through it, you’d be surprised what they say.
Andrea: I remember one of the car trips we took early in the quarantine, Doug said we were going to go to In-N-Out. And it’s like an hour and a half drive. And so he told everyone in advance to pick a song they liked to play in the car. And then we get to talk about why everybody liked their song, but it gave us something to talk about and fun to do as we were driving.
Dr. Leman: There you are. The creative Terpenings strike again. Our culture, our children are used to being entertained. Okay. You see the vans with a video in the back and you got the three-year-old and a four-year-old in the car seat and they’re watching the video. I get it. Mom and Dad want peace and quiet. I get it. But we’ve trained kids that they will always be entertained. What’s healthy is for kids to figure out that they can entertain themselves. I know we’re going to have a pumpkin carving contest. We’ll carve pumpkins and some will be, and I’ve got some really artistic people in our family. It’ll be fun to see. My wife is in love with pumpkins. Okay. So we’ll have pumpkins all over here that look really weird and it’ll be fun to have them. Well she’s always, Sandy’s very creative and she always has the grandchildren over. This summer, we tie dyed shirts together.
We always do things. I have a hard time understanding why people can’t come up with things that are fun to do. It’s pandemic time in New York where I live in the summertime and the governor there is outrageous. He’s just issued an edict that he’s authorized police officers to fine people $1,000 for not having their mask on in public, outside within six feet of another person, you get $1,000 fine. Well, I’ll tell you what I did. I took two high school buddies of mine and we went out and we got a fishing guide and we went out on Lake Erie and we caught walleyed pike. And we had a great time and you have to make your own fun. There are times you need to get away. Every mom needs to get away from her children. Every dad needs time for himself. Kids need time for themselves, but we need play time together. So you’re the curator, folks. You’re the one … God gave kids parents for a reason.
Doug: I think a big question that a lot of parents are asking these days are, “Do my kids actually want to be with me?” Especially as they get older. What would you say to that parent? Because I’m like, if I tell my kids were jumping in the car and go into Salt and Straw an hour away, they would hate me. Which I think a lot of parents are concerned about.
Dr. Leman: There’s sometimes as a parent, you make a decision that involves your kids, that your kids have no interest in whatsoever. But I think you’ve already alluded to this, Doug. Sometimes once they go and do it, it’s fun. I tell a story of one of my books about going to a graveyard, taking the kids to a graveyard. And there were only three kids at the time and they were in the back. And now that I recall, I was waxing and waning about this cemetery we were going to go to, because all of my Leman forefathers are buried there. And to show you how long ago it was, they were on their Walkmans. And so I’m waning and waxing about Leman history and who these people are, I look in the mirror, in the rearview mirror, and the three of them got headphones on and their heads are bopping around.
They’re not even listening to what I’m saying. So we get to the cemetery and it’s like, “Oh, now what are we doing?” And they get out and they look tired. They look like they’ve been dragged through. “All right, what are we doing here? All these tombstones.” And I said, “Well, this is where the Leman’s were buried.” And my daughter Kristy, “Well wait, what does that mean? You mean, there’s one of these markers like this, that’s got our name on it?” “Yeah.” All right, cool. I said our job’s to find it. And the three of them took off running and it wasn’t too many minutes later when I heard that same daughter say I found them. I found them. And it was fun for these kids, I think, to go and look at those tombstones with all these different first names with that similar, last name Leman carved in granite.
So again, I think you sort of take the bull by the horns. You make it happen. Can you make somebody be happy? You can’t. But you can be happy. You can be upbeat. You can ignore some of the cheap shots or the ankle biting that might be going on in the back of the van.
Doug: When we come back, I want to ask you a question about holidays, about buying stuff for them and your attitude. But I don’t want to forget to mention this month. It’s a brand new month of November and we have a new book out it’s called Intimate Connections for a buck 99, between now and the end of November of 2020. So Intimate Connections. And Andrea, Jacqueline wrote in and said this about the book.
Andrea: Yeah, Jacqueline says, “A must read for men and women in any relationship. I wish I had read this book 40 years ago.”
Doug: Well, Dr. Leman, how is Intimate Connections going to help us?
Dr. Leman: If you don’t have the intimate connection and most of you don’t, let’s be real frank here, you’re going to go through dinners where you hardly say a word to each other. You talk about the things of the day. There’s never a real gut-level feeling or emotion expressed. There’s not that intimate connection. There’s not that I know every word you’re going to say. I can tell when you’re going to tear up, you just don’t have it. You never had it. Okay. And there’s others who know what I’m about to say, you have the intimate connection. The two have become one. It’s a wonderful experience to be so close that we could separate you for three months and, and then bring you back together and you’d pick up exactly where you left off. It’s a book that tries to get through the superficial, how are you today? I’m fine, to a much deeper level of communication.
Doug: Well, you know where to go anywhere. I forgot to mention these are eBooks and wherever your eBooks are sold, however you get them Amazon or Barnes and Noble or wherever, $1.99 between now and the end of November of 2020. Dr. Leman, two more questions I have for you is when you’re in the car, driving to Salt and straw, since that’s the one we are highlighting here and the kids are all grumbling, how do you make sure that your attitude stays joyful in the midst of that? How do you not let them drag you down into the humdrum?
Dr. Leman: Well, this is a little embarrassing, but when the kids were little and they’d get their dog and pony show mode where, “He touched me” and “No, he said this,” and they’re just trying to drag you into it, I would turn the radio on loud and put all of it in the rear speakers. And they will howl like baby pigs who were stepped on. They will squeal. They hate that. Number one, they hate my music. Okay. Number two, it’s really loud. And you only have to do that once in a while. It’s temporary. I’ve got a friend who, when he had small kids, he had driven across the country with the kids. He says, next year, I’m putting the kids in the van. We’re just going to drive around Tucson all day long. We’re going to go to a Motel 6. Then I’m going to get up and do the same thing the next day. I could save myself a lot of stress by just driving around Tucson rather than going across the country. I still laugh about that to this day. But hope you got that.
Doug: Yeah. Here’s the second question. So most of us are taught if I buy my kids more stuff at holidays, then it will be a great holiday for them. I’m going to get them to the new blah, blah, blah, or more of blah, blah, blah. Where’s the line between too much and too little on that kind of thing?
Dr. Leman: It should be skewed toward too little. I’ve mentioned this before, but I think it’s great as we get close here to Thanksgiving and I would have a conversation with the kids at a breakfast, maybe on a Saturday morning, it says, “Hey, listen, tomorrow morning or tomorrow evening,” whatever, you pick your time. “I want you to all bring your Christmas ideas.” Okay? “Bring ideas, Mom and Dad are going to bring paper and pencil and we’re going to discuss the upcoming holidays.” And that will put the kids in third gear. And then some. What do kids love thinking about? Christmas presents and their Christmas list. And they all come expectant, and Mom and Dad got the paper and you start with the oldest. “Okay, let’s start with you, Nathan. Tell me what would you like to give to others this Christmas?”
And it just sort of shocks them all. They go, “Wait a minute, hold on. I’ve had nine hours of anticipation of this meal. I thought we were talking about our lists.” “Yeah, we are talking about your list, your list. What are you going to give to Grandpa? What are you going to give to Grandma? What are you going to give to your aunt? What are you going to give to your cousin?” Whatever. “What are we going to do as a family for other families?” So if you go into it with that idea, the kids will probably temper their own hedonistic needs when it comes to, I want, I want and keep in mind, there’s always a difference between what kids want and what they need, but it’s overkill in too many families who give kids way too many things.
Doug: Ken, I’ve heard you say repeatedly that it’s about experiences and time with family. And Andrea is the queen of this. She demands that in the holidays that we get out of puzzle or two and find a good book to read and I always grumble about it and then halfway through it, I think, wow, this is really fun just to sit here in the living room as a family and do these puzzles and things. You’re right.
Andrea: Well, and that’s one of our traditions every year is to get a family puzzle as one of our family gifts. So we have a new puzzle to do. A good one. Not a really cheap one, but you know, a good quality puzzle that snaps together.
Doug: Well. I hope this helps you get ready for the holidays. And we’re all excited to hear about how many of you go out and get ice cream an hour away, which is a brilliant idea. And it really does give you a chance to talk. Two quick reminders, Intimate Connections between now and the end of November of 2020, wherever eBooks are sold for $1.99 and you can get Dr. Leman Have A New Kid, DVD series, six part series at drleman L-E-M-A-N .com A great, great, great gift to those that are struggling or those that are new parents that want to learn about how do I do this? It’s a great, great foundational piece. Well, we thank you for being with us and we look forward to the next time we get to hang out with you and add to that parenting toolbox so you can love those kids more and more.
Andrea: Have a great one.
Doug: Take care. Bye-bye.
Andrea: Bye-bye.
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]]>How do you help your youngest become successful like their siblings? Listen in to learn more about how to motivate your last-born on this episode of Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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Doug: The baby of the family, the spoiled one, the one that gets away with murder. How do you raise that last one, when you’re like, “It’s the last one. Let’s just love on it. Let’s not push too much”? How do you change your last born, train them up to become a go-getter? That’s the question we get to ask Dr. Leman. How do we raise our last born well?
Hi, I’m Doug Terpening.
Andrea: And I’m Andrea.
Doug: And we are so glad that you are with us today. And if this happens to be your first time, welcome a bazillion. And we want to let you know this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or your child, please go seek a local professional for help. Well, Dr. Leman, our question for today is training up your last born. And just for the record, where are you in the birth order?
Dr. Leman: Well, I’m a baby. I always said my litmus test when I do television, or radio for that matter, is to get the host to laugh at what I say, or specifically on TV to hear the audio guy or the lighting guy in the background or the cameraman, or woman, laughing as well. So babies of the family grow up. They have natural competitors, natural prey, if you will, above them in the family. If you’re the baby of the family, chances are you have several parents, more than two, because those siblings become pseudo parents, in many ways. They’re in charge of you. They get in trouble for what you did. Many of them are born leaders. And so where does that leave you as a baby? And I guess that’s the question of the day, Doug, that you posed to us is how do you get this baby to suck it up, become a leader, become involved, be successful?
And I think quite frankly, if I had to answer that question succinctly, I would say, “Well, in many ways it sort of takes care of itself.” And the reason I say that is that a lot of times babies of the families get discounted. In other words, you’ll hear siblings say, “Oh, don’t pay attention to her. Don’t pay attention to him.” And they are the ones that probably are the late bloomers as they grow up. They figure out, “Wait a minute. I know a few things.” A lot of us will develop the attitude. “Okay. Game on. I’ll show you.” So they tend to be late bloomers. So like I say, I think a lot of it naturally takes place as the youngest grows older.
Andrea: So you’re saying that it might be more our perspective than their own perspective?
Dr. Leman: Right.
Andrea: That we think that they’re not a go-getter.
Doug: Then why do we think that babies are the goof-offs, the undisciplined ones of the world? Why is that the stereotype that we have for the youngest?
Dr. Leman: Well, this is going to sound contradictory of what I just said, but they are out there a little bit. They are the most likely to be the comedian of the family, for example. And, again, keep in mind, everybody’s listening now. We’re not talking that all babies are the same here. Okay? There are a lot of variables that create that youngest child, and it’d be a functional firstborn and all those kinds of things. We won’t get into that right now. But just keep in mind that we’re not trying to paint the brush so wide that it encompasses all babies of the family. But they don’t always give themselves credit. It’s easy for the baby to lay back and let the others take over. And that becomes the easy way out for them. But like I say, over a period of time, a lot of babies figure out, “Wait a minute, I’m more capable than I thought I was.” And again, some of them develop that attitude, “I’ll show you.”
So babies of the family can become very, very successful in life. Ronald Reagan, baby of the family, former CEO and chairman of the board at Southwest, one of my all-time favorite people I’ve ever met in life, Herb Kelleher, baby of the family, youngest of four brothers. But if you look at Herb Kelleher as an example and Southwest Airlines, I love to make the point that that’s a fun airplane to fly. He made it fun. How the principles that he guided Southwest Airlines were, were very controversial and different. So babies tend to put a little bit different spin on things. So the goofiness, the humor, the play it by ear mentality is stereotypically true for most babies, but it can also be turned into great creativity and getting out of the box. And you can lead from the bottom of the family as well as you can from the top.
Doug: So this is to help parents that are dealing with the last borns. One of the dangers that we’ve talked about and Andrea and I have seen, at least I’ve seen, is that sometimes we’ve used the tree analogy that the tree is so full, and there’s no room for the last borns. And they kind of just drift off out of the family because the older two have dominated all the oxygen in the room or whatever you want to say. How do we make sure that that doesn’t happen to our youngest?
Dr. Leman: Well, all I have to do is look in the mirror to answer that question, Doug, because if you remember, I had two very successful siblings above me. I’m the baby of the family. I graduated fourth in the bottom of my class in high school. I couldn’t get in college. When I got in college, I got admitted on probation, but I’m a typical baby of the family that grew up, that matured, that figured out, “Wait a minute, I can do a few things in life.” And you’ve heard me say that it was an old math teacher who encouraged me. She was the one that said, “Kevin, I’ve seen you take over classes. I’ve heard teachers talk about you in the teacher’s lounge for years. Have you ever thought you could use those skills you have for something positive?” Well, that was my journey. And I think it’s a journey of a lot of youngest children.
Now, back to parents, lucky for me, I never felt like my parents didn’t love me. So they did a great job of loving me anyway. My mother would laugh at my antics. She told a story about when I was three years old, she had me on a dog run from a maple tree to an elm tree in our backyard. And I remember I was probably about 40 years old and I was kidding her. I said, “Mom, what’d you think, I was part Weimaraner?” And I would get her laughing so much. And she said, “Well, if I didn’t have you on that line, you’d run away.” So I think the parent that loves their kid anyway, is the parent who will see that their kids who they see or they view as maybe not as successful as they should be, with time and patience on your part and encouragement on your part, those kids can learn to fly.
Doug: Well, is that the key to raising the youngest is patience? Because how often do we compare, regretfully, our children, right? That the youngest does feel like a goof-off?
Dr. Leman: Well, I think what happens is we get wore down as parents. Think of the effort you put it under the firstborn and the worry and the concern. And ask yourself as a parent, were you more worried about little James or your youngest child? And see, it’s very natural for parents just to lighten up as you go through the birth order, and you learn that things like dirt will not kill. And you roll with the punches a lot better as a parent, by the time your youngest is born. You’re not as worrisome. And that helps create the personality where the child is a lot more loose and not so uptight as maybe a firstborn sibling is.
So, again, I go back to in many ways, this sort of naturally works out for a youngest child. Babies do well in life. Babies have high personal skills. Think of your high school classes, everybody, the high school you grew up in. I want you to think of the stars in your graduating class. If you can’t remember, get the old yearbook out and take a look. And have you ever done a little research to see what happened to those people? I know this is a sample of one high school, but I look at some of our leaders, and a lot of them didn’t do much in life. It was kids from the middle of the pack. And maybe even some like me that were at the bottom of the hill that actually did a little better than some of the others.
Doug: How does that relate to the last born? Are you just saying that don’t discount where they are today or?
Dr. Leman: Well, I’m saying what does it take to do well in high school? Okay, let just use high school as an example. What does it take to be successful in high school? Literally, in general, you got to be really good at following the rules. If you follow the rules, you’re going to what? You’re going to do your homework, you’re going to pay attention, you’re going to become involved, you’re going to do all these wonderful things. And so how much creativity is there in that? I don’t think there’s that much creativity in that, following the rules. I mean, I’m old as dirt, and I still say I never been real big on rules. And I haven’t been.
In my relationship with my Maker, I’ve had that discussion with God, lots of times, that, “I should be more conscious, Lord, of Your rules because Your rules are good for us.” I’m not a real rule-oriented person. But what I’m saying is that high school and early years is not always a great predictor of the kind of person that you’re going to be at age 35 or 40, the kind of parent you’re going to be. So I think those of us who grew up feeling loved and accepted for who we are… Now, you’re asking how do we help a baby? Listen to those words, for those of us who grew up feeling accepted for who we are, by our family, by those primary people, our mom, our dad, those significant people in our life, those are the ones who will do life well.
Andrea: So I hear you saying that maybe those babies, it’s going to be a while before you see them balloon, so to speak. But like Doug said earlier, be patient. And it might not be until after college or whatever, that they start to settle into whatever their strength is and really start to bloom.
Dr. Leman: That’s right, Andrea. I’m sure there’s parents right now, listening to us, saying, “Leman, would you just tell me what to do with my baby of the family? He doesn’t pick up after himself. His room looks like a tornado hit it. He does get away with murder.” And I go, “Wait a minute, time out. He gets away with murder? Are you an authoritarian parent, or you’re a parent in authority? If you’re a parent in authority, hey, this is on you he gets away with murder. You need to hold him more accountable.” And so there’s teachable moments in the life of the baby of the family, where sooner or later, everybody sort of figures out what that baby’s gig is all about and they don’t get sucked into that web. They don’t get sucked into that trap. And they figure out the baby, and pretty soon the baby figures out, “These antics, I’m fooling myself here. Life’s going by. I better get together.” And so babies do change.
Youngest children have, again, high personal skills. They do well in sales. So some of these kids that you older siblings are going to write off, be careful because they might go flying by you before too long. Because they have to know how to get around people, growing up as a baby in the family. It’s like a maze. And that youngest child figures out how to get through that maze, how to get around other people. So do they become manipulative? Yes, they do. Are they social butterflies? They certainly are. And they learn to navigate the many waters of life pretty good. So every birth order has its pluses. Okay? One isn’t inherently better than the other. But the entrepreneurs, where do you suppose entrepreneurs come from in the family? They’re not the firstborn children. They’re more likely to be the CEO of a big organization, the president of this or that, but your entrepreneur, there’s your middle child. There’s your baby of the family who does things way out of the box.
Doug: When we come back, I want to ask you about how do we help make sure that our oldest don’t resent our youngest? But I want to talk about the latest offer from our friends at Revell Baker Book. It is The Birth Order Book for $2.99. You can get it between now and the end of October of 2020, wherever your eBooks are sold, for a mere $2.99. And Dr. Leman, when did you write The Birth Order Book?
Dr. Leman: It was written in 1984. It was published in 1985. It followed the million seller, Making Children Mind Without Losing Yours. But the nice thing about… In fact, if someone has a copy of the original Birth Order Book in prime condition, you have no idea how much that baby’s worth. That’s a tough book to find, in a hardback. And it had three little eggs on the bottom of it. It was a white cover with black lettering, and the three little eggs. And who should pop out of the third egg but a caricature of me?
Yes, it’s really funny. But that book was revised three different times, twice, significantly major. And the last time was a whole overhaul of the book where 70% of… And those of you who can download this book for $2.99, listen to what I’m about to say. You read the book years ago, okay? That book has 70% new material in it, the book that’s out there now. So it’s been in so many different languages. It’s a book that’s loved by everybody. How you can not like The Birth Order Book is beyond me because it’s engaging. It’s fun to read. It gives you a handle on how to view people in your family, how to look at yourself, your marriage, how you rear your kids. It’s like an all purpose flour. It can be used in so many situations. So don’t be afraid to download that puppy and suggest it to your friends and your kids.
Kids love that book. Kids who do reports on it for school, I guarantee you they get an A, because the teachers find the topic fascinating, that these little bears, these little cubs can come out of the same den and yet be so uniquely different.
Doug: It’s a great book. I highly encourage you. It is always fascinating to find out when coworkers of mine, what order they are in The Birth Order Book, and go, “Oh, that makes a lot more sense.” So you can get it now, wherever you get your eBooks for $2.99 between now and the end of October of 2020. And now, a no-nonsense parenting moment with Dr. Kevin Leman.
Dr. Leman: Talk to anybody who’s successful, okay? I’ll let you define what’s successful. And ask them about the failure in their life. Truly successful people have had lots of failures in their life, but you know what? They’ve used those stumble blocks, those stones, as jumping off points, they’ve learned from their mistakes. That’s why it’s important for you as a parent to give your kids opportunity to fail. Failure isn’t fatal as someone once said. So don’t get your knickers in an uproar, okay? Don’t get those panties too tight. And sometimes you parents do exactly that. Okay? Let them learn. Remember, failure isn’t fatal. It can be good for you.
Doug: So Dr. Leman, we were sitting around the dinner table yesterday, and the youngest said something like, “Well, I didn’t have to X, Y, and Z.” And the three just blew up, like, “I can’t believe it. You always have gotten away with murder, geez Louise.” Right? And that’s not the first time we’ve heard that. How do we make sure that our older children don’t resent that younger child?
Dr. Leman: Well, I’m going to say this as clear as I can. Good luck. Yeah. Good luck with that because you are going to resent that baby because the baby… Again, the rules. The rules lessen as you have more children, they don’t increase. They lessen. You’re easier on the youngest child. “Mom, you never let me do that when I was eight years old,” that kind of thing. I’m just telling you, it’s a natural progression.
I tell a story, it’s sort of a funny story about kids being the enemy. And I say kids go to bed with a plan. And they’re in bed, and an 11-year-old and 10-year-old sleep together in the same room. And they have a conversation that goes like this, “Hey, are you hungry?” “Yeah.” “Hey, you go out and tell Mom you want a treat. I ain’t going out there.” “No, you go there. You’re the oldest.” “No, no, no. Mom likes you more. You go out there. Tell her you just want a little snack.” “No, I’m not going out there.” And so they start to argue with each other. And the oldest says, “Wait a minute. What about Herbie?” Well, who’s Herbie? Herbie’s the four-year-old who’s sound asleep in the next room. So what do the two mobsters do at age 11 and 10? They go in and wake up little Herbie.
“Herbie, Herbie.” “Wow. What are you waking me up for? I’m tired.” “Herbie, come here, go out and tell mom and dad you’re…” “I’m not hungry. I’m tired.” “No, you go out there and tell mom and dad right now you’re hungry. You want a snack.” And so there’s a little obedient Herbie, he’s being muscled by his older brothers, with his blankie in tow, and he comes out. And mom hears the little footsteps and turns and looks at her husband with astonishment, and then says, “What are you doing out of bed, Herbie?” “I want a snack.” “Oh, Herbie. All right, one quick snack. And then it’s right into bed.”
I love to point out, and what do you see down the hallway? Two shadows creeping toward you. And what do they say when you say, “What are you two doing out of bed?” “Herbie’s out of bed.” And see, what I’m saying is oldest children sometimes use babies as fodder. And I like to say, if I’m teaching a seminar, why do they send baby Herbie out? Because if he gets killed, who cares? We don’t like the kid anyway.
Doug: Andrea, does he sound like a resentful youngest to you, or is it just me?
Andrea: Not at all. Not at all.
Doug: Not at all. Oh, okay. Dr. Leman, have you been able to resolve your childhood issues? It sounds like maybe on this podcast you’re reliving.
Dr. Leman: Well, no, it’s fun because I’ve told this, I think, a zillion times, but I talk with my sister, and she lives in New York, I live in Arizona, at least two times a week. And my brother and his wife, at least two times a week. During the coronavirus, we were probably speaking three to four times a week just because we all had more time. So I came from a very close family. And so to answer your questions, they still like to recount the antics that their younger brother did. They laugh with me, not so much at me anymore, but I respect them. And Sally, the oldest in the family, is as classy a lady as there is. My brother, Jack, was a devoted clinical psychologist for years and dealt with kids that were really tough to deal with. And so we’ve all been successful in life.
But, again, we came from nothing. We had very few pennies in our family, but we did have a mom who was the rock of the family who was a great person of faith. And we had a dad who had lots of limitations, but we all knew that he loved us, despite it all. So, parents, those are the ingredients, the love, the acceptance, the affirmation, the communication that goes on. That pays off. I always tell parents when the parents are wondering what’s going to happen to this 12-year-old and 13-year-old who are at each other’s throat, it seems like, every moment of the day, and I say, “Well, I got news for you. They’ll be in each other’s weddings. And things will be better.” So that basic love, love permeates about everything there is to permeate in life. And if there’s love in a family, that’s going to carry you through.
Andrea: Well, it’s been really fun to hear this perspective on the last born, on the baby of the family, and just how much their creativity come to full bloom and they can really go places with it when they get older. And, I don’t know, it’s just opened my perspective. So I really appreciate that. To close, I was wondering what are two tips you would give to parents raising their last born? You may have already said them, but two tips to take home.
Dr. Leman: Well, that’s a good one, Andrea. And I think number one, for sure, would be to make sure that your youngest child has as much responsibility as they need to have in your family. That’s number one, is to keep them responsible. And maybe this is just one A to that is just be careful. You’re talking to a little person who can be very manipulative. They can play you like a violin. And just be aware of the fact that they have high social skills that might really test your mettle. And it gets back to loving them in a way that really is a guiding influence in their life. A baby sees things differently. I never forget in fourth grade, I won’t repeat what I did, but what I did was not the coolest thing I ever did in my life, but they put me outside of the room. And what did I do? Did I stand there? I mean, what do you guys think I did? This is a quiz.
Doug: I think you went and found something to play with. Or you started acting out so they could watch you as you acted out in the back. Some sort of, something goofy.
Dr. Leman: Okay. Andrea, what do you think?
Andrea: You’re outside the back door?
Dr. Leman: Yeah. I went home. I lived about a mile from school, fourth grade. So how old was I? 10 years old. I walked home. My mother was a working nurse. Now, when I grew up, all the kids, their mothers were at home in house dresses. Not mine. My mom was in her nurse’s uniform. She was a superintendent of a convalescent home for children. So they put me outside the door. I went home, I got my fishing pole. I walked about a quarter mile to the creek, and I went fishing. Was I worried? No, I went fishing. That’s the baby of the family, a little aberrant, a little off the wall. That little firstborn you put outside there’d be standing like a wooden soldier 20 minutes later. I could see Andrea out there. She’d be at attention. She’d be tearing up, thinking, “Oh, I’m in trouble. What am I going to do? Oh my goodness.” Me, I’m fishing. I still laugh about that stuff today.
Doug: Well, thank you for that. As a fellow youngest in the family, I did hear some definitely bias towards youngest from Dr. Leman. I do not think he’s unbiased, Andrea.
Andrea: I don’t think so.
Doug: Yeah. So, everybody, just be aware of that. And if you want a clear perspective, go read the book, Birth Order Book for $2.99 between now and the end of October. And we hope that you can just love that youngest kid more and more and more. And learn how to accept them as they are, as Dr. Leman said, but give them enough responsibility. So it was fun to be with you today. And we look forward to the next time.
Andrea: Have a great week.
Doug: Take care. Bye-bye.
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]]>Do you feel like your middle child is pulling away? ! Listen in to learn more about how to make your middle child feel special on this episode of Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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Doug:
Oh, the middle child, the forgotten one. Andrea is a middle child. I’m a middle child and we can confess.
Andrea:
Oh, we feel forgotten.
Doug:
We are forgotten so often.
Andrea:
So I have to add in this next few weeks, we’re going to go over some of the birth order and we started with the middle child on purpose.
Doug:
Yes. Woo hoo. For the first time people are going to actually hear from us. So we’re going to get tips on what does it take to raise a middle child?
Doug:
Hi, I’m Doug Terpening.
Andrea:
I’m Andrea.
Doug:
We’re both middle children and we are really glad that you are with us today. If you’re an older or younger, but if you’re a fellow middle. Woo hoo.
Andrea:
Go middle children.
Doug:
Go middle’s unite. [inaudible 00:00:47] welcome and if this is your first time, I’ll let you know this for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or a child, please go seek a local professional for help. Well, Dr. Leman, the question that Andrea has brought to us today is what about us poor middle children. What’s the tips on raising them? I thought she had a great [inaudible 00:01:12] your middle child needs to feel special or they’ll slip away. Help us. How do we raise our middle kids?
Dr. Leman:
Yeah they blend in. They can become beige. There’s part of the personality of the middle child. Many of them will let that happen without much of a fight. They just assume that the book ends, the first born and the youngest have it made and they sort of resolve themselves to an inferior position in the birth order. So their own personality does not lead to a lot of positives in a natural way. You got to sort of bring those positives out of the middle child. I remember one mommy saying, “Of all my kids, I could never figure out when things went awry with my middle child because I would find her whimpering in her room by herself. She wasn’t the one that came and said, “I feel sad or upset or I’m mad,” or whatever.”
Dr. Leman:
So again, a lot of middle children just sort of blend into the wall. So this is a good topic. I’m so proud of you guys as middle children saying, “Okay, if we’re going to talk a little birth order, let’s start with those neglected middle children.” They are the squeezed ones. I think everybody can see that. Again, your reality people is what you see from behind your eyes is a kid grows up behind the firstborn. There he is in the second position.
Dr. Leman:
He has three parents to start with or she has three parents to start. We’ve got mom, dad and older sibling. Depending upon the year gap between the first born and the second born, the more that statement is true. Because for example, if that child is four years younger than the first born, that’s a huge, huge difference. So the more gap there, the more influence that older sibling has over you.
Dr. Leman:
Now think for a moment, what are the personality characteristics that would describe your first born, your older sister, your older brother? Everybody think of that. Now those are probably areas that you as a middle child did not pursue. You went just in a completely different direction for survival, yes, but it makes sense. Doesn’t it? That role is already filled. So middle children, let me just say this, are the toughest to pin down.
Dr. Leman:
We say, “Okay, all middle children are like this.” Now we say all, we’re saying that with tongue and cheek because all middle children are not the same obviously, but when you look at them in masses, there are certain personality characteristics that seem to be pronounced within the middle child. So that’s number one reason why they’re so hard to pin down because they play off of what’s ever above them in the family.
Dr. Leman:
Let me give you a middle child who has an older sister who is rather introspective and she’s the quiet one. She’s not a leader, doesn’t seem to be a leader. She’s a quiet, follow the rules person. Books are some of her best friends. She doesn’t have a lot of social life. There you come along two years later. Middle child says to himself, “She’s a little on the boring side. Talk about beige layman. She’s beige and spades.”
Dr. Leman:
You know what? I think that’s an opportunity. That child, that second child, a middle child might leap over that firstborn. Now notice I said two years difference. If there’s a two year or less difference between the first and the second, there is a probability of that second child leaping over so to speak, taking over a leadership position in the family where they become more of a functional firstborn than they are a middle child. So let me just stop there and let you middle children interact because I could talk on this subject forever, but I’d much rather hear from you guys and how that makes sense maybe in your own lives, as you look at Doug and Andrea.
Doug:
Well, Andrea I think is a more pure firstborn because I have an older sister, three and a half years and then I’m the first boy and I was the first grandson boy. So I was the honored boy.
Dr. Leman:
Oh. You were a little kitten.
Doug:
I was little kitten. Yeah. So you can react to this more than I can.
Andrea:
Oh yeah. So yeah, my sister is two and a half years older than me. So I was trying to listen in like how does that fit with us? How did I respond to Emily’s, do things differently. I specifically, I remember when it got to sixth grade and we got to pick an instrument. She had picked flute and I really would’ve liked to play flute, but I thought, no, I have to be different.
Andrea:
So I picked the clarinet and I remember a particular sweater she got one year school shopping and she got the sweater and I loved it and it was in style, but I couldn’t get the exact same one. So I went and I got a blue one, but I never liked mine as much as I liked her green one, but I couldn’t have the same sweater.
Dr. Leman:
But listen, Andrea, how you lock in those choices. You’re very definite about that. I couldn’t do this. I can’t do that. That’s what happens to the middle child because they see those choices that that older sibling makes. I mean, they’re in granite. They’re in cement. They’re anchored and you just don’t dare go there. That’s why I can say almost assuredly that when you look at a family, the one thing we can really bet our house on is the fact that the first two kids in a family, especially if they’re same sex are going to be night and day different.
Doug:
So Dr. Leman help us as parents. We’re raising our middle children. What do we need to be aware of? How do we inadvertently parent them poorly or not ideally?
Dr. Leman:
What you have to understand is in the birth order itself, you have two little piglets who sort of dominate everything. That would be piglet number one and piglet number three. Let’s just say, make it easy. We’ve got a family of three. So the smart parent, the very best thing they can do to a middle child because what we do as parents is we call on the first born or we’re drawn to the baby of the family because they have an unreasonable need for attention many times and we skip over that middle child without even realizing it.
Dr. Leman:
So memorize this parents. Honey, I’d love to know what your opinion is about this. What do you think about this? Where would you like to go? What color do you like best? How should we spend our vacation this year? Tapping into those kids’ minds and letting them know that you care about their feelings is primary number one lesson for every parent of a middle child because they will slip away. They won’t always tell you how they feel. They’ll lock themselves into answers for their life just like Andrea just shared with us a few moments ago.
Dr. Leman:
So you got to get them out of that rut and let them know that you value them for who they are. So again, you want to treat your kids differently. So in treating your firstborn or your second born differently, I got news for you. Who wins on that? The firstborn wins. They get the bigger allowance. They get more privilege. They get to stay up later. So there’s some built in things within the family hierarchy that play against the middle child as well. So they get beaten up pretty good. They really do.
Dr. Leman:
The nice thing about middle children is when they get it from on top and they get it from underneath themselves, they become resilient. They become pretty adaptable people, flexible people. They roll with the punches. So with all this negativity we’re talking about for the middle child, those tough bumps in life I think helps strengthen the middle child to make them more courageous and able to persevere and develop an internal message that says, “I can do this.” So there’s some good news with the bad.
Doug:
What do we do towards middle children that is negative? Do we say things like, “Why can’t you be more like your older brother?” Or do we view them as lazy and not caring and not attention to detail?
Dr. Leman:
Well, anytime you compare children to each other, you’re doing somebody, both kids who does service quite frankly, but middle children can internalize that and then they start telling themselves, “I’m not this and I’m not that.” That’s why I say the positive affirmation for who they are is really important. So that means when you’ve got three kids and some psychologist on a podcasts says, “Well, you’re going to spend some special time with this kid. Hey Lehman, come to my house at 5:30 at night. It’s like a zoo and all the kids are either trying to finish their homework and I’m trying to get some help in the kitchen and I beat dad home by 45 minutes and I’m trying to get dinner on and I’m feeling the pressure and we’re yelling at each other and what do you want me to do? Take some extra time with the middle child?”
Dr. Leman:
It’s easier said than done what I’m saying, but those moments where you’re tucking kids in at night, I’d spend that extra time with that middle child. I’d tell them about your day and some of the thoughts you had and have a psychological transparency where you begin to foster a rather intimate relationship with that middle child, because I’m here to tell you he or she blocks themselves off from the rest of us in a very natural way.
Doug:
Well, and to that point, that’s kind of for me the annoying part. They block themselves off from us. You can just see them even when we ask them, “Well, where do you want to go?” The answer is, “Well, I don’t know. I don’t care. Wherever.” You’re like, “Dang it just tell me.” so how do we stop that from happening?
Dr. Leman:
In a functional way, you say, “Honey, when you decide where we’ll go, we’ll go someplace. In the meantime, we’ll just sit here and look at each other.” I mean, there’s ways of I always say force a blowout rather than a slow leak. Not that that’s a huge blowout, but no, we’ll wait. We’re patient. I want to hear what you want to do. Today is your day to pick where we go. They will let other people decide for them. They’re malleable. You ever see kids play with slime and how fluid that is and you could take slime from one hand and dump it in the other back and forth. That’s just a little bit like a middle child.
Andrea:
Which makes me think of something how I’ve heard that often the middle children are the peacemaker in the family. Does that go along with that? Because I can see a middle child not wanting to give their opinion about where we’re going to go eat or what movie we’re going to watch because they want to make sure everybody’s happy.
Dr. Leman:
Right. So they’ve learned when they express their opinion, older brothers, sisters, that that’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. Why would you want to go there? So they’ve learned to sort of keep their opinion to themselves. What I’m trying to teach is we want these opinions out on the table. You have to encourage kids to give them to you. Again, in a very natural way, they fight against that themselves. But yeah, it’s very true. They avoid conflict. They’re peacemakers. That’s a wonderful skill. I’ve often said a middle management man. You can’t beat a middle child personality because they’ve negotiated their entire life.
Doug:
When we come back, I want to address what happens if we don’t get their opinions and we don’t try to draw them out so that we know from them? But before we do that, I want to share, this is one of the best things [inaudible 00:14:51] gives you guys offer for is the ebook is a birth order book for only $2.99 Between now and the end of October 2020. I’m just telling you, this is one of Andrea’s favorite books that she read and you read it in a flash. It’s only $2.99. Andrea, we got a little review here from someone on Amazon.
Andrea:
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Doug:
So Dr. Leman, why would I buy this book?
Dr. Leman:
Well, it’s a life-changer book. Now that’s a strong statement. Life-changer book, but it will change how you view yourself and how you view others around you. It’s a book that people buy in multiples. Of all the Leman books, that’s the one where it’s not uncommon for people to buy six of them at a time and give them to their friends or their work force people, their children. I think I’ve shared this with you before, but one of my editors who lived in South Carolina and she was really a top editor.
Dr. Leman:
She was with Thomas Nelson publishers, but her daughter was in a very serious automobile accident and she was hospitalized for quite some time, but she I’ll never forget her telling me that she for the very first time saw her daughter smile after this terrible accident reading the birth order book. I’ll never forget that. That’s a book that will put a smile on your face.
Dr. Leman:
It gives you insight into marriage, into yourself, into how you rear your kids. It’s sort of like an all purpose flour. You can use it in so many different situations. If you’re a business person and you’ve never read that book, oh my goodness. You have no idea what you’re missing. You’re a leg or two up on the competition by just simply reading that book. I always point out to people. Do firstborns by product like youngest children? No very, very different. Very different approach.
Dr. Leman:
So if you’re in sales, do you approach everybody the same way? I hope not. Am I suggesting in sales you say, “Excuse me, but what’s your birth order?” No, they’ll think you’re a nut, but what I’m suggesting is a conversation. Hey, where did you grow up? Where’s home for you. Oh, Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Oh, cold country, huh? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah me and my brother. Okay. Bingo. I’ll already know he’s got a brother. Now is that a younger brother or an older brother? Oh younger brother. I’m the oldest. I’ve got two younger sisters too. Bingo. You know exactly as a salesperson after reading the birth order book how to approach that person in sales.
Doug:
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Dr. Leman:
Hey parents, it’s grade time and the grades come home. Whose grades are those? You know the answer. But some of you say that’s a reflection upon me. So you do all kinds of things to help your child. You help your child by not helping your child. Again, as I’ve said on another tip, if you’re really in trouble, get yourself a tutor for your son or your daughter. Preferably someone just a few years older than them. Someone who can relate to them.
Dr. Leman:
We’ve seen these scandals where parents have paid billions of dollars to get their kids into prestigious schools. Does that make sense? How’d that work out by the way? Not very good. So remember, grades are a simple reflection about what your son or daughter has done in the classroom. Can you remind your kids of one thing? Yes. Here’s the thing. Honey, someday, someone’s going to look at a computer screen, see your four years of grades and they’re going to make all kinds of assumptions about who you are. So yes, grades are important. Now get to work.
Doug:
So Dr. Leman, you painted a picture of we’re all busy. It’s 5:30. We’re trying to get dinner on the table and then we’re trying to do homework or we’re running off to soccer. You say what happened? It’s hard to find time to connect with that middle child and ask them their opinions. What happens if we don’t do that? What’s the longterm ramifications?
Dr. Leman:
Well, the term to put a bluntly is you’ll never get to know your child and guess what? Your child will never get to know you because it is a two-way street. That will be the child that might not have a need to get together with family. That might be the child if you turn them off enough that you just don’t ever hear from them. There are families like that, we’re a real close family.
Dr. Leman:
So when I say things like that, it’s hard for me to feel that because I’ve never felt that in my life, but I sure have addressed a lot of people will feel isolated from their own family. So it’s just one of the crucial things you have to do as a parent. They have to get to know you and you need to get to know them. It’s easier to get to know the baby. Their mouth’s always running about something.
Doug:
I remember that you painted the picture for us a long time ago of a tree and as the tree goes up in this branch comes out here, that side of the tree is taken. So other kids will take different sides of the tree and different branches. If I hear what you’re saying is we can’t make all our kids play the clarinet. that We should let, we should let them choose. Maybe they don’t even want to do instruments. Is that what you’re telling us with the middle child? Let them be dance and not do music at all.
Dr. Leman:
So let’s take that analogy of the tree and look at it again. You see the trunk of the tree and the roots to the tree, that’s the foundation of your family. Those are your values, your beliefs, what you believe in, and as the trunk thickens and gets bigger and all of a sudden we have this first branch, there’s your first born, the other branch is your second born, your third born, et cetera. My question what are the nutrients to grow that tree?
Dr. Leman:
So the water that’s required in trees is the words. It’s the communication. It’s the love. It’s the feeling that makes us all a part of, in spiritual terms, Jesus talked about the vine and we all are part of that vine as a church. Well, we’re all a part of a family like that tree.
Dr. Leman:
You nurture that with words of encouragement and you trim the tree. There’s your vitamin N. That branch just doesn’t get to go and do everything they want to do. Sometimes you got to trim it back. Sometimes certain trees drip, if you know what I mean. I have a front sidewalk it reminds me of that every spring. Sometimes you have to put a bandage around that, on the limb to keep it from dripping where you don’t want it to drip. So again, as a parent, you’re the captain of the ship. You make those calls. Are we asking a lot? Yeah. When you decide to become a parent, you signed up for that, just like marriage. In sickness and in health.
Doug:
Yep. So Dr. Leman, one of the things that you said a long time ago that I have found true is that you can’t just sit down with a kid and say, “Okay, we’re going to have a heart to heart now.” That oftentimes they just kind of pop up whenever you’re doing some project and all of a sudden, or you’re doing something and then the kid starts sharing a lot with you. In my limited, I only got four examples, but I would say my middle two are the more random ones that it’s like, all of a sudden we’re doing something and all of a sudden we have this meaningful conversation where it seems like the younger and the older is far more willing to have those in a structured way.
Andrea:
Yeah. They’ll initiate it almost.
Doug:
Is that a trait of middle children or just the weird term?
Dr. Leman:
Yeah, I think so. I think one of the things you learn as a parent is to catch them on the fly. When you talk about random, a lot of parents would say, “Yeah my kid’s very random,” and some of them are just going all the time and they’re nonstop and there’s days that go by, I hardly say a word to that kid for whatever reason. But there comes a time, and usually it’s the end of the day, where kids settle in and there’s a smart parent that comes in and sits on the edge of the kid’s bed and just shares with a child.
Dr. Leman:
Some kids share easily. Some kids have a version of that, but you’re going to have to have times when you laugh, times when you cry, times when you communicate. Sometimes [inaudible 00:24:23] just very casually talk. You’re not going to force that relationship. It never works to force anything.
Andrea:
For our listeners, if there’s somebody out there that’s listening to this to this, then realizing, “Oh man, I’ve been neglecting my middle child and they are preteen, teenager,” what would your best advice for them to jump in without freaking that kid out? Like mom and dad are now grilling me with questions or what would be a good way to segue into building that relationship differently?
Dr. Leman:
I would do some self-talk as a parent to myself about how oblivious I’ve been at some things. Maybe just say, “What have I assumed about my middle child that I’m really not sure is true?” Make that list. That small list that you come up with is a fodder for you to engage your son or daughter in. Honey, you know the other day I was thinking and I always thought that you were maybe the most secure of all of our kids. You don’t whine like your little brother and you’re not bossy like your big sister. You just sort of roll along. But I’m just wondering, is that a fair assumption or not? I’d love to know your opinion on that.
Dr. Leman:
Again, I’m not trying to play shrink with you. I’m just curious. But see, that’s how I would approach things. All you do is give the child an opening to share about what’s really going on in their life because the middle child will hide out and they’re so adept at making sure everybody else is happy because they hate disapproval and conflict that you can miss, hey, is my middle child okay? So you just set up situations like that. They’re very casual. Again, it’s not forced. It’s just an opportunity to share.
Andrea:
It reminds me of some earlier podcasts we’ve done on not asking your kids questions, but how to draw them out. So that might be a good one to go back to.
Andrea:
I want to go back to something you said, Dr. Leman and then we should wrap this up is that the idea of sitting down with our middle child, I’ve done it with one of our middle child and said, “Isn’t your older brother a little over the top?” Like everything has to be done, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,” like you suggested. I think I even copied you verbatim. Like you said, the kid’s eyes lit up and he’s like, “Really dad? Yeah.”
Dr. Leman:
I’m so glad you reminded me of that because you struck gold on that, Doug, because that’s the clincher folks. I’m just telling you. When you say that kind of thing like Doug just said. Honey, can I ask your opinion about something? Is your older sister a little over the top or is it me? Every cell in that kid’s body says, “What did you just say?” That is the best words. That’s better than Christmas is tomorrow. Somebody finally understands what I’m up against. That might be the clincher that brings that kid to tell you what’s really going on in their life.
Doug:
Well, and I set that middle child free to not have to be like perfect older brother. Like Dad actually has critique about older brother? I thought dad idolized older brother. It was like, “Nah, I get annoyed when he does that to me too.” I mean, he was like, “Wow.”
Andrea:
I am a little confused about our family’s birth order and who’s who, so I’m just going to ask real quick before we end the podcast. We have boy, girl, boy, girl and they’re all about two years apart. So does that make first girl like a firstborn personality?
Dr. Leman:
Well, your born daughter can be a functional firstborn, but that is dependent upon how strong of a firstborn, in your case, James would be your oldest son.
Andrea:
And he’s strong.
Dr. Leman:
Yeah.
Andrea:
Anna is a functional middle.
Doug:
Oh, she’s a peacemaker, conflict [crosstalk 00:28:37]
Dr. Leman:
Yeah. Okay. But there’s your reason why I want people to see. If firstborn is really your typical strong dug in firstborn, that’s less probability that that girl is going to become the functional first born, although she could in some other situations and more than likely that she becomes a middle. When you say you’re confused about your family, let’s just move down to child number three, a boy. There should be an alliance in your family and is the Alliance in your family between boy number one and boy number two or is it between boy number one and baby girl?
Doug:
Oh.
Andrea:
Oh definitely.
Doug:
Definitely. One and four are definitely alliance.
Dr. Leman:
So the two in the middle should be opposites.
Doug:
They are.
Dr. Leman:
With that being said and see, I would tell anybody to take a pen and a piece of paper and just diagram it. Put their names down or if you want, just boy, girl and sometimes you can just look at it and say, “Our family makes more sense than I thought.”
Doug:
Yep. Okay. Well, I got to wrap-
Andrea:
This is so fun. So thanks for talking about us middle children today.
Doug:
This is why I encourage you to go get the birth order book because it’s not just it’s like this is oldest, this is middle, this is youngest. He also talks about what to do, what not to do, but then also variances and why there’s variances within there. It’s absolutely fascinating and super helpful. If you’re a middle child who feels lost like, “Well, there’s nothing about me. I’m just night.” No, there’s way more in there about it than you realize.
Doug:
So you can get it now between now and the end of October of 2020, wherever e-books are sold or $2.99 to get it now. Well, it was great to be with you and yay for us middle children that we got to go first. Thank you Andrea, and we look forward to the next time we get to hang out with you and add to that parenting toolbox.
Andrea:
Have a great week.
Doug:
Take care. Bye bye.
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Andrea: My little baby girl is crying and crying, and I’ve been told I should comfort her right away, and I’ve been told it’s okay to let her cry it out. Which one should I do? Let’s ask Dr. Leman today.
Doug: Hi, I’m Doug Terpening.
Andrea: And I’m Andrea.
Doug: And we are so glad that you were with us today. Welcome, if this happens to be your first time, love to let you know that this is for your education and entertainment purposes, only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or your child, please go seek a local professional for help.
Well, I am so appreciative of this question today. It’s an audio question that you can leave at birthorderguy.com/ and put just about any number. This episode is 333 if you want to. And at the bottom, those little microphone and you can leave your audio questions. So let’s jump into it today and hear what we are asking Dr. Leman.
Speaker 3: Hi, Dr. Leman. I’m a first time mom of a two-year-old son. So the other day I came across a book and it was speaking on the brain wiring of newborns, how depending on how quickly a mother responds to her baby’s cries and needs, will wire their brain to let the baby know if they are worthy of love and valuable, and if they have a secure foundation. And of course, meaning if the mom doesn’t respond, then that kid is not valuable and it can affect their relationships early in life.
So of course, after reading that, I bawled my eyes out because I was raised on the cry it out method. And I think also being a first-time mom, you kind of think, “Is this newborn manipulating me?” Which I know it sounds funny now, but anyways. I just wanted to see what you thought about that, because I’m sure there’s a healthy balance, but also want to know if you believe that, and if you do, how do you also take today and make sure that kid does feel secure?
Again, I don’t see any signs of my son feeling insecure. I have changed a lot of my ways since becoming a new mom, but at the same time, I don’t want his brain to be wired this way. So what is your advice and take on all of this? I appreciate it.
Dr. Leman: Well, let’s start with a disclosure. I never enjoyed physiology, so not claiming to be an expert on how your baby’s brain is wired, et cetera. But when you talk about responding right away to a child’s cries, to me, it’s situational. If it’s bedtime, for example, or nap time, and you have fed your baby, nursed your baby, changed their pamper, tucked them in, and laid them down and they cry, I would let them cry. Okay.
So I’m sort of where you were. You said your growing up, that was sort of your attitude into motherhood, and that would be mine. So in situations where you’re laying a kid down for a nap or night-night if the child cries, I wouldn’t go in there. Now, all you mommies that have little infants have monitors, where you can see what’s going on. A child can roll over and get their arm stuck, or you name it, that’s why you have monitors. So obviously, the safety and wellbeing of your child is always a number one.
But crying with a child, can be very purposeful behavior on an infant’s part. They learn that they cry this nice warm body comes and picks them me up and pats my back and rocks me. And if you want kids to go to bed at night and stay asleep, you don’t go in every time a kid whimpers and try to comfort them.
What gives kids security is routine. And since you’re a first-time mom and your child’s two already, you’ve developed a sense of rhythm with that child. It’s the infant-mommy dance, so to speak. And you get to know your kid and you get to know the signs of when it’s time to lay your child down for a nap. And you get to find out quickly, does your child like a little music? Does that help them go to sleep? Do they have one of those little windup things that go above their head that plays a very soft little melody as they fall off to sleep?
So my basic response to you is with all deference to a professional who’s written a book about how the brain is wired, so be it. Take that person’s information and do whatever you want with it. I’m not here to sit in judgment of that. But I can tell you that behaviorally, if you respond to every cry a child makes, you’ll end up with a cry baby. You’ll end up with a baby who’s crying all the time.
So again, in general, I’m of the school of thought, let them cry it out. You’ve heard me on this podcast, many times, when kids are beside themselves and you put them in a room, you’ve heard me say, well, a kid will kick a door, scream, yell, they’ll do everything. What do you go in there and try to calm them down? No, you let them meltdown, and 15 minutes, 20 minutes, sometimes a half hour later, the kid will fall asleep on the floor. Not the end of the world. Hopefully, you have a fairly clean floor. But in general, that’s my take on crying.
If the baby is in their playpen and the baby’s a year old or 13 months old and the baby all of a sudden cries, would I go in and check in the next room? Yes, I would. I’d check, see what’s wrong. Maybe they got caught in the net or twisted or something happened. So again, use your judgment.
I don’t think this is rocket science, this kind of thing. I think my message to parents is, have a routine, get to know your child’s routine, and that child really sort of dictates the routine. If they start crying at every moment you rush in, all of a sudden, there’s no routine, it’s helter skelter. And the kid just becomes conditioned that, “If I scream, that nice warm body will come pick me up and rock me.” So be careful on it, that’s what I’m saying.
Andrea: So you’re saying that if we give them a routine and we kind of follow what their routine is, but we let them cry a little bit, then eventually, they’re going to kind of fall into that and they’ll cry less.
Dr. Leman: Right. And they’ll create their own routine. What I’m saying is, you sort of dovetail yours to theirs. Every child has a little different rhythm. Some kids will show signs. Some kids will rub their eyes. You’ve seen an infant rub their eyes, a toddler rub their eyes. And that sometimes is a clue that, “Okay, it’s nap time.” Where we get in trouble as parents, is when we break out of that routine. “I’m just going to run down to Starbucks and meet my girlfriend. Yeah, I know it’s nap time, but she just called and ooh, a Starbucks sounds real good right now.”
And so you go, and from the time you leave your house till you get down to Starbucks, to the time you get back, it’s an hour and a half. Now you got the kid an hour and a half off schedule. Are you going to pay for that? In all probability, you will. So schedules are not to be militaristic to the second, to the minute, but keep in mind that your kid does have a very natural cycle that you want to plug yourself into.
Andrea: So what about bonding in other ways?
Dr. Leman: Oh yeah.
Andrea: Nursing or you’re reading a book and you’re playing with the blocks. Are those the times that that child feels cared for? If I’m not going and picking them up when they’re crying, where does this sense that they’re worthy of my affection come from?
Dr. Leman: I hope I’m not misinterpreted in this, but I don’t think your responding to a kid’s cry has anything to do with bonding. The bonding is, when you’re holding that child, when you’re reading this story to them, when you’re playing with them, when dad is throwing your infant three feet in the air, and you’re hoping he catches them, that’s all part of bonding. The snuggle time together, tucking them in, reading them a story, all the little tactual stimulation that you give kids during the day, is all part of bonding; the verbalization, the eye to eye contact.
I mean, there’s all kinds of classic studies where if you deprive kids of tactual stimulation, you’re going to create all kinds of problems in that kid’s personality. Kids need softness, they need touch, they need words, they need vitamin E. All that’s a part of bonding. Just reacting to the cry is not bonding, per se.
Andrea: Yeah. I hope this is encouraging to that mama, that cried after she read this book, because she’s used the cry it out method with her two-year-old that she has not done anything wrong. And it sounds like she loves this kid and she’s probably doing all those things you just described.
Dr. Leman: Yeah. She’s being probably, a little reactive to reading that book. I can think of a few books you could read to be more helpful than that one when it comes to being a good parent, but she sounds like she’s a good mommy.
And first time parents, I mean, if you look at how you reared your firstborn child, parents, okay. Everybody just think of how you felt when you brought that baby home from the hospital and all that, and compare it with how you were with a third born. You’ll see, there’s a remarkable difference in how you responded to things. You learn from being a mommy. You learn from being a dad.
So it’s natural to wonder, you see these things. If I’m a parent and I read that, I think I’d be getting way ahead of myself by reading too much into that.
Doug: So when we come back, I want to ask about the concept that we’re doing damage, psychological damage to our kids. But I am super excited about our friends at Revell-Baker and what they are offering you guys. Between October 1st to October 31st of 2020, you can get this book called The Birth Order Book for a mere $2.99.
Andrea: An eBook
Dr. Leman: That should never happen. You should not be able to get The Birth Order Book for $2.99 under any circumstance. And I can protest to the publisher and they say, “Leman, we’re in charge of these. So we love you. We love your books, but it’s available for 2.99.” So all I can tell you is, take advantage of that sucker. Strike while the iron’s hot.
Andrea: Here’s an Amazon review: An easy and insightful read. Helpful in family life, as well as business. This was an impulse purchase at a big box store. And I had to buy a couple more for a friends. It’s an easy read yet, really accurate. I laughed all the way through it at the positive and negative attributes. I’m an oldest child and this book was pretty spot on. I have found this helpful in family life, as well as business.”
Doug: So go get The Birth Order Book between October 1st of 2020 to the end of October of 2020, for a mere $2.99, wherever your eBooks are sold. And now, a no nonsense parenting moment with Dr. Kevin Leman.
Dr. Leman: Okay, parents, I’m going to give you a little guilt today. Your kid’s homework comes home. After dinner, the whining starts. “Mommy, I need your help.” “Honey, you can do this.” “No I can’t. I need your help.” And before long, these kids who have criminal type thoughts, are able to take you into their little spider web and chew you up. And before long, you will have finished 19 of the math problems. And I know the punchline here, you’re mad because you only got 14 of them right, you found out.
Hey, listen, it’s his homework, it’s her homework. Give them a place to do their homework. Give them a time. Every kid’s different, some right after school, some after dinner, whatever. But stay out of your child’s homework. If you really need help, hire a tutor, and good luck.
Doug: So Dr. Leman, one of the things that I think people would say, which is probably bad to use the word, I think, is this concept that we are doing psychological damage to our children if we let them cry. Where does that come from?
Dr. Leman: I don’t know. Those are probably the same kind of parents that think that your infant ought to sleep with you, that your toddler ought to sleep with you. We read things like that into devastation of a child’s personality, you’re neglecting their basic needs. I mean, if you want to bring up a child, give them a sense of independence. Give them a room or a space, I know some kids have to share rooms. Give them that place that’s their own. Let them develop their own identity. That’s why we are always urging parents to treat kids differently. Why? Because they’re different personalities. What works for one, doesn’t always work for the other.
So when I hear things about, you’re going to do psychological damage to a child, I mean, yeah, if you’re abusing a child, you sure will. Being neglectful as a parent, you sure will. Being demeaning, yelling, screaming, letting kids see things that are very inappropriate at a young age on a screen, yeah, those things will do damage to a kid. But letting a kid cry because they had a meltdown or when you tuck them in a bed, they cry, let him cry. And to read into that, that somehow you’re doing psychological damage, is bull crumble, in my opinion.
Doug: Well, we let our kids cry out a fair amount, and you did a great job also, Andrea, of nurturing them and loving them, and especially when you’re breastfeeding them, and we would play on the floor with them. And I’m just telling you, last night, our 20-year-old, our 18-year-old, our 16-year-old and our 15-year-old, we were like, “Hey guys, do you want to watch a movie? Do you want to play around?” And literally, our 15-year-old said, “No, why don’t we just sit here and visit as a family?”
Dr. Leman: Oh, gee.
Doug: I was like, “Oh wow.” And our daughter whipped out a computer and started reading us all these jokes that were just hilarious. Well, clearly, our kids, they feel bonded. I mean, it’s antidotal that it’s just one family, but I’m just saying the other thing is, I think it’s what you said is our kids feel independent enough that they know who they are and they have enough self control to do what they want to do, which is a huge blessing at this age as well.
Andrea: It’s really what we do when they’re awake and we’re active together, not during bedtime, that they know where we’re going to play a game. We’re going to laugh at the meal. We’re going to listen to funny music in the car or a story in the car, whatever fit where we are a family, and we go on walks or whatever it is. Not whether or not I run to them every time they whimper.
Dr. Leman: Yeah. So I think predictability, the mundane and a schedule, and not a militaristic schedule, is a good way of creating a sense of security in your kids’ minds and hearts. Having parents that are on the same page, who really manifest the fact that their yes is a yes and their no is a no, I think builds character with kids and gives them a sense of security as well.
Doug: Well, and this is why we do this podcast, because there’s lots of questions out there that all brand new parents have. And I really appreciate you leaving this question. It’s a great question that you’re asking and it took guts to do that. Kudos to you. But this is why I say, go grab one of the Leman books, Making Children Mind Without Losing Yours, Have a New Kid by Friday and this Birth Order Book. It just gives you confidence that you can do this.
And I think the thing that Dr.Leman keeps saying is, the consistency, you being the parent, not authoritarian, not permissive. You do those things and all the rest of these other things that make you bawl your eyes out and think you’re the worst person in the world, it just gives you confidence that you are a great parent.
And I would say, Andrea, then I’ll ask you, it gave us the confidence that we could just love our kids more, actually.
Dr. Leman: Yeah. Well, kids, again, keep in mind parents, you give kids an opportunity to give back to the family. That gives them a sense of wellbeing as well. Even the three or four-year-old can help on load a dishwasher and dump garbage from a small container into the larger one. And there’s things that your children can do at an early age to give them the feeling that they’re giving back to the family, that they’re part of it.
And we tend to write off the little ones and dump all the responsibilities on the older ones. And as kids get older, especially into high school, you got to lift some of those chores and let the littler ones pick up the slack.
Doug: Well, again, thank you for this question. And if you would like to leave your own, you can go to birthorderguy.com/ and put just about any number, 333 on down. And there’ll be a microphone at the bottom, hit that microphone and leave an audio question and we would love the answer it. If there’s one that you’re like, “Hey, they haven’t answered this one,” feel free to leave it.
And a quick reminder, you can get The Birth Order Book October 1 to the end of October of 2020, wherever eBooks are sold, for a mere $2.99 cents and it is a great, fun book to read. And we love being with you and adding to your parenting toolbox. And we look forward to the next time we get to hang out with you.
Andrea: Have a great week.
Doug: Take care. Bye-bye.
]]>There will be times when your kids pull away from you, but maintaining those relationships is key. Listen in as Dr. Leman breaks down the four components of a relationship: trust, honesty, communication, and transparency.
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Doug Terpening: Do you know, Andrea, without this, we have nothing. And actually, if with our kids, we don’t have this, we ain’t got nothing. What is this thing that without it, we got nothing in our parenting that we need to hear from Dr. Leman? Hi, I’m Doug Terpening.
Andrea Terpening: And I’m Andrea.
Doug Terpening: And we are really, really glad that you’re with us today. It is such a delight to be with you. I want to let everybody know that if this is your first time, this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or your child, seek a local professional for help. Well, Dr. Leman, here we are, the end of September. School is back in session and some of us are in quarantine, some of us are back in normal. What is it that you say, “Without this, you have nothing”? And what does it mean?
Dr. Leman: Well, without a relationship with your mate, for example, you don’t have anything. You’re a paper tiger. You’re going nowhere. It’s going to incinerate before long and a lot of people are going to be hurt. If you don’t have a relationship with your son or your daughter, it’s going to blow up. Anger, explosions, tantrums, a feeling of betrayal and a separation, if you will, between parent and child. So, what’s in a relationship? Why don’t the three of us come up with some words that would describe a relationship? I think a relationship needs to have at least three components, and you guys can be thinking of others as I talk about this. Number one is trust. Number two, honesty. Number three, there has to be communication. And number four, there has to be a sense of transparency.
Now when I say transparency, I’m not saying to parents that you have to share with your kids everything that’s going on. You just don’t. I always say, if God wanted us to know what the other person was thinking, he would have given us glass foreheads. So there’s the ability, hopefully, of a parent or a mate to use discretion when we talk about honesty and trust and communication and transparency. So there has to be some division there, and that takes us to the A word, which is authority. And as parents, you have to remember that you are in authority over your children. Does that mean you run their lives? No, it doesn’t. But it means you’re in healthy authority over your kids.
For those of you believe in almighty God and his son, Jesus Christ, who are the same, by the way. If you’re a heathen, that’s a curve ball for you. You’ve got to ask yourself, does almighty God just pull strings and run our lives for us? No, he gives us that right. He loves us so much that we get to make choices. So in relationships, Andrea, you and Doug made choices every day and you made choices with your children. And it’s an art form, I’ve said many times, parenting, but what words? I’m just curious what words you would add to describe what a healthy relationship looks like.
Doug Terpening: Bacon, steak, physical closeness. Are those them?
Andrea Terpening: He stole one of mine. I was going to say communication. And now he’s got all the good ones and I can’t think of anything.
Dr. Leman: I love affection. I think that’s part of a good relationship. Can you be overly affectionate? We haven’t used the word love, but can you love a kid too much? How do parents interpret love? I sat in a restaurant last night, and a young lady who had to be 18 or 19 years of age, I about fell over. Her mother came over to the other side of the table. There were just two of them eating. And she cut up her meal for her. And so nosy me, I kept my eye on this kid for the rest of the meal. And I thought, “I wonder if this kid is physically challenged or something’s going on, or in some way has some physical or mental disabilities.” Well, I watched and she was talking and laughing, having a conversation. Seemed very normal to me. So I’m wondering what that parent’s perception was of her role.
I mean, I can understand cutting up a kid’s meal at age three or four. I just don’t get it at 18 or 19. Somebody help me out with that. So all these things that we’re talking about, take a parent to use good judgment in discretion and learning how far to go with trust and communication and transparency and honesty and affection. If you came out of a dysfunctional family where you never felt like you were loved and you never measured up, then this conversation’s already got you a little baffled because you grew up in a foreign land and we’re speaking a different language.
Doug Terpening: Yeah. So in the area of parenting, this is one of your pocket phrases and it’s one that you taught Andrea and I. What I really liked about it as I was researching that I don’t think we’ve ever done a podcast on this, that you use the analogy that parents, this is how you can use it to help you out. That when your kid says, I hate you, or I don’t want to be with you, or they’re just uber disrespectful to them, you say, “Later,” when they ask you to go do something, the classic later. You tell them, “Without a relationship, we have nothing. And you can’t treat people this way and expect them to want to be with you or help you. Once we have a relationship again, then I’ll gladly help you.” And I thought, “Wow, that is such a good phrase to help us get the concept that we need to care about others.” Is that-
Dr. Leman: Yeah. So if the Terpenings are coming to me behind closed doors and they say, “We’ve got a kid who was all of a sudden, terribly disrespectful to us and we just don’t know where to turn,” I might suggest, “Hey, Doug and Andrea, you didn’t give your son or your daughter bread and water treatment.” And the bread and water treatment basically is all of a sudden as parents, you do nothing for your child. You don’t give them lunch money. You don’t drive them down to the corner to catch the bus. You do nothing for them. They get, “No, I don’t feel like helping. No, I don’t want to get you a glass of milk. No, you can’t go to your friend’s house. No, you can’t have a goldfish or a puppy.” Whatever it is, it’s no. And that will rock a kid’s world. They don’t know what hit them.
But it gets down to the fact that once the teenager or the young kid settles down, you have an honest communication with them and said, “Hey, I’m done. I ask you to do simple things. Your dad and I work our tails off to put food on the table, clothes on your back. We don’t feel like you’re appreciative of anything. So from now on, I’m just putting you on notice. We are out of relationship.” It’s like you’re out of sync. People’s hearts sometimes go into what they call atrial fibrillation. And it’s the heart’s out of sync and it doesn’t beat right and the heart races. And sooner or later, you’ve got to deal with that because it can cause disaster for that person, for example, a stroke or a blood clot, or you name it.
So when things are out of sync, you can only let that go so long. Now here’s another Lehman pocket phrase. Do you want to slow leak it to death or would you rather force a blowout? I’d rather force a blowout because if you slow leak some of these things together, the damage is too much to recover from. So parents, you have to step up to the plate. Be the parent you need to be. Call a spade, a spade. Don’t be afraid to give your kid vitamin N. Now if you’re fearful, my kid’s not going to like me, you need to go read a Leman book and start there before we even have a conversation.
Doug Terpening: Here’s the connect the dot moment for dense Doug. So we know that I’m the slow one on here, is that I know about the bread and water treatment and all those things. But what was helpful for me with this phrase, relationship, we have nothing, and add, if you can’t treat me well, what makes you think that you’re going to treat others well. And to tie this whole concept of helping, because we’re training up an adult, not a child, to say that the world is not about you and you need to have real relationships with real people and this is not how you treat people. Because someday when you get married, this is probably how you’re going to treat your mate. I don’t know if you’d say that to a kid or not. So I’m using a lot of words and I apologize. But for me it was really helpful to go, “Okay. Part of my parenting process is not just that they treat me well, it’s that they treat others well.”
Dr. Leman: Right. Well, if you grew up in a home that was toxic and you saw your dad, for example, treat your mother like dirt and you marry, what’s the best guess of how you’re going to treat that bride of yours? Monkey see, monkey do. And it gets repeated over and over and over again. But we are so far off base with where we are today in America with rearing children. I always like to throw you Canadians in as well, because you’re not much better. We drive ourselves silly trying to make your kid happy at every turn. Again, I love these little one liners, but an unhappy child is a healthy child. Your job is not to create a happy child. Your job is to raise an adult so that when they leave their home, your home, you’ve equipped them to take on the tigers and lions of life because they’re going to be out there. Everybody’s not going to be like mom and dad.
Doug Terpening: Right. Well, I think for me, it really helped me in thinking through like, I’m not just trying to get these kids to obey and treat me right. Absolutely, that’s part of it, but if they can learn to do it to me, they’ll learn to do it to others. And I’m trying to set them up for success because I think all of us that are in the workforce these days are like, I tell my kids all the time, I think 80% of most jobs today are just getting along with people because it is crazy out there that people just can’t even get along. And I thought, “Wow, we’re not teaching our kids this concept.” Like treat others with respect and you’ll probably do pretty well in life. So bread and water treatment’s not to be mean, it’s actually to set our kids up for success someday.
Dr. Leman: Right. So talk to any employer, you parents. Y’all know employers. Just ask them a simple question. What’s it like when you hire people today? What are you seeing? What are the trends you see when you bring someone new into your business or company? And you’ll get an earful, because I talk with those business people all the time and they say it’s really hard to get good help. I know I’m in the education business. We have seven schools that are functioning beautifully, by the way, but we have teachers who flat out just quit because there’s not enough me time. Why would you take a job as a teacher and expect a lot of me time? I mean, we haven’t trained up a core of young people in our countries to have any type of a healthy work ethic. People bail out so easy.
When challenges come, they don’t say, “Wow, I’m going to solve this puppy. I’m going to dig in.” They walk away. Whatever. Well if you’ve got a business, you don’t need anybody in your company with a whatever attitude. But that is the attitude that most people carry out throughout life today. Now, you get your kids involved in 4H or in other activities that really challenge kids, make them think and work, hey, you’re on the right path, parents. But again, I’m not a huge guy on activities. So I’m not saying enroll your kid in every activity. I’m saying, try to find an activity for your son or your daughter that will help challenge them and set them up for the real world.
Doug Terpening: So Dr. Leman, I want to make sure I get in the ebook offer and then I’m going to ask Andrea a question for all the moms out there about connecting the dots, because they are, like my wife is 100 miles ahead of me. But I better do the ebook before I forget. Right now you can get, Have a New Sex Life by Friday, between now and the end of September of 2020 for only a $1.99, wherever ebooks are sold. And as Dr. Lehman has said, this is not about sex, but this is about communication and about your relationship. I didn’t even think about, it is talking about what we’re talking about right now, that it does help you make sure that you have a relationship with your own spouse. And if you can get it with your spouse, it’s way easier with your kids, isn’t it? So now go wherever you buy your ebooks between now and the end of September, Have a New Sex Life, a buck 99. And now a no nonsense parenting moment with Dr. Kevin Leman.
Dr. Leman: I get asked all kinds of questions about, at what age do you do this? At what age do you do that? Hey parents, it’s not a matter of [Spanish 00:15:27], for our Spanish speakers. You know what that means. That means yours. It’s really about maturity. Now my question is, do you give your son or daughter opportunity to grow, to make decisions, to learn? Is failure acceptable in your home? If that’s true, I got news for you, your kids are going to mature. They’re going to realize that life is not built around them and that other people count in life. So parents, take it easy. Take a big breath. Life isn’t going to be perfect. In our seven Leman schools, I have a sign, Leman Academy of Excellence, where learning is fun. Keep a fun, positive environment in your home, and everybody’s going to feel better about themselves and other people.
Doug Terpening: Okay. Andrea, you’re the resident mom here, right?
Andrea Terpening: So you want me to connect the dots between bread and water and without a relationship, we have nothing. Is that right?
Doug Terpening: Or do you go, oh, I see how holding my kid accountable, saying no, helps them understand how to have a relationship and treat people well down the road? Like how they treat you.
Andrea Terpening: Yes, absolutely.
Doug Terpening: But what would you need to be able to go, “I am going to give them the bread and water treatment, because I know longterm, even though it might feel bad to the relationship for a couple of days, I can see longterm it will help them”?
Andrea Terpening: Right. Well, if I feel like they’re taking advantage of me or they’re pushing me around or they’re making it impossible for me to do my role as a mom, then of course, I’m going to see that they need this bread and water, this accountability in their lives, because it’s affecting our relationship if they’re trying to push me around or take advantage of me as their mom.
Dr. Leman: Andrea, you’re the better person of the three of us, but here’s my question for you. How long would you let a child push you around before you pulled up the bread and water treatment?
Andrea Terpening: Well, you’re asking a empathetic. So I don’t know how long. It probably depends on how forceful they’re being and what kind of mood I’m in.
Dr. Leman: That’s an honest answer. But I think for people like you, you’re what I call a positive pleaser. You would like the oceans of life smoother. When the rough seas come with your kids, your tendency is probably to, well, maybe he just had a bad day or whatever. And my admonition to parents is don’t let the cancer grow. Nip it in the bud, as Barney Fife once said. All the young people are saying, “Who’s Barney Fife?” Look it up. I’m not telling you. But I think the idea is to have kids really pay attention to the words you use as a parent. So you’re not calling them three times to dinner. You’re not telling them six times to pick up their room. You see what I’m saying? So if we can get a parent to be so efficient, that when they say something, a kid automatically says, “Uh oh, I got to get on it.” You see what I’m saying? So the quicker that response can come from a parent where, “Hey, I’m not taking guff from you, six-year-old,” the sooner you’re going to have a change in that child’s behavior. That’s a guarantee.
Doug Terpening: And to your point, what I’ve seen, and I think you have at times too, Andrea, is when we don’t react but we actually think about it and we take our kids aside and tell them, “We are noticing this behavior. Is this correct,” oftentimes they are contrite to us. Or we’ll say, “Great. We think we see it this way. You think you see it that way. We’re going to,” we do … It is amazing though, but if we just brush it aside, you and I, Andrea, if we just like, “Ah, it’s not that big a,” it does grow. Doesn’t it? It doesn’t matter. It just grows, doesn’t it?
Dr. Leman: Well, and think about a marital relationship for a minute, and your feelings are really hurt by your mate. Something is said, something is done. And you go to bed with anger in your heart. And we know that biblical admission. So if you fester, if it just doesn’t get dealt with, what do you do with it? Do you sweep it under the rug three days later and pretend it didn’t happen? Well, I think it’s a little bit like eating a pizza on a Saturday night. You ate the pizza at 10 o’clock, but 11 o’clock you still taste it. It backs up on you. It causes you to be irritable. And at even a subconscious level, you’re going to start taking cheap shots at your mate because you didn’t resolve what was obviously a problem in the relationship.
It’s sort of like you have to clean filters. Filters are in washing machines and dryers and cars. Those filters are there for a reason. But there’s times you have to pull out the hose and clean up the filter and clean it out because you’re going to function better and all that garbage that you got out on the table, so to speak, and a got chance to vent and discuss and come to a solution, now you’re in a healthy mode again. And I think every couple, every parent has to realize there is a filter within you that has to be maintained and cleaned properly.
Doug Terpening: Well, I hope all of your parents can add this pocket phrase to your thinking about parenting that without a relationship, we have nothing. And when your kids or your spouse or mate is in the same situation, then you can go back to this. But I think for us as parents, my encouragement just is like, oh, that’s right. We are raising up kids to be adults and how they treat others. And it really does matter. It starts in the home and it starts with how they treat mom and it’s how they treat dad. And that we can do this. And this is why I do this podcast, is to say, guys, if you need, and gals, if you need help and clarity, go read, Have a New Kid by Friday, how to help … I can never, what’s the children mind? Andrea?
Andrea Terpening: Making your children mind without losing yours.
Doug Terpening: Yes. Yes. Sorry. I don’t know I can’t get that book in my mind. And read those, read the birth order book, so you have the confidence to do this because there’s so many messages out there that tell us the opposite and so many messages that are telling us to live a different way. I’m just telling you, Andrea and I, we are having so much fun with our 20, 19, 17 and 15-year-old right now that it pays off in unbelievable spades for you.
Andrea Terpening: Can I just say, I feel like I’m listening to this from the other side. I like to hear just this without a relationship, we have nothing. It just sounds to me like a foundation. And when I hear that, I’m not thinking about the bread and water coming down the road. I’m just thinking about building that foundation. And I don’t know, to me, that just seems crystal clear in my mind. If I can work on that trust and honesty and communication and transparency, then I think the bread and water will be few and far between.
Dr. Leman: Yeah, that’s a good thought, Andrea. If you’re going to build a cement wall, that wall is only going to be great if the foundation is laid right. You put rebar in cement and within blocks, why? Why do you put that metal rebar in there? To strengthen what you’ve already built. So it’s pretty basic stuff, but relationships are so important.
In the business world today, I’ll remind people that Herb Kelleher was one of my heroes. He is now deceased. He was Chairman of the Board at Southwest Airlines for years. And he had such great insight into people. He told me one day, he said, “Kevin,” he said, “at Southwest, we hire a personality. I can teach people the rest of the stuff, but I can’t teach personality.” So some of you have the gift of a very engaging personality and that’s going to help you throughout life. Each year kids are different. Some kids have very outgoing, they could be a snake charmer. They could talk their way through anything. Other kids are going to need some more self-confidence to even open their mouth.
So again, remember, you’re the captain of the good ship family. And the question I always like to ask is, do you have a port of call? Do you know where you’re going on the ocean of life? When the storms come, and they’re going to come, do you have a game plan? How are you going to handle it? And are you committed as parents to each other? And those of you who are living in separate homes, you’re divorced and you’re remarried and all that, boy, that’s tough to do. But if you don’t pick up the phone and talk to each other and don’t let things slide, then you’re going to be in trouble, big trouble, and your kids are going to pay for it.
Doug Terpening: So again, Andrea, I thought your points were great. And for lots of us, we don’t know how to do those things, to be honest. And this is where Have a New You by Friday can come in and help you really ask yourself the hard questions of life so that your life is just better. Spend the energy now. Okay, I’ve gone through enough. I’ve listed off like all of Leman’s books.
Andrea Terpening: All right, honey. Time to wrap it up.
Doug Terpening: I get no royalties. I get nothing from the books. I just know what they’ve done in our lives. I know how they’ve changed us. I could have my kids come out here and they would say, “It’s been great.” But you need to do it for yourself, and that’s why we do this, so that you can have a better and better relationship with those kids. So, a reminder between now and the end of September, you get to have, Have a New Sex Life by Friday for $1.99, wherever ebooks are sold. And I just can’t encourage you, if you heard this and something’s pricked in your mind, go read a different book, whether it’s about you or about how you’re parenting, and Dr. Leman [inaudible] will. We look forward to the next time that we get to add your parenting toolbox, that you can just love those kids more and more.
Andrea Terpening: Have a great day.
Doug Terpening: Take care. Bye, bye.
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Doug: You started to try some of these principles, B doesn’t happen until A, and you’re thinking, well, it’s not totally working yet. And still you wrap it up and you keep doing more and more and eventually you take away even the beloved hockey. That’s what Marcie, asked Dr. Leman, that we get to ask you today.
Hi, I’m Doug Terpening.
Andrea: And I’m Andrea.
Doug: If this is your first time with us, welcome. But if it is your first time, I want to let you know this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or your child, please seek a local professional for help.
Well, Marcie’s question comes and I don’t think I know where she’s from, but if she took away hockey, it was a pretty good guess she’s from Canada, don’t you think?
Andrea: Yep. Or up in Minnesota or something.
Doug: Minnesota. Probably not from New Mexico. But here we go, Dr. Leman, here is the question for you.
Marcie: I have a seven year old boy, five and a half year old girl, a four year old girl and a two year old girl and we are having trouble with them cleaning up and listening. There is a deliberate defiance we’re seeing in them not doing what we’ve asked them to do. This has been going on for over a year now. We have used the consequence part of it, where if you didn’t clean up, then you’re going to miss an activity. Done it without warning, so they miss their hockey or they miss their dance class or their swimming lesson and it doesn’t seem to affect them. They might be a little bit frustrated for a few minutes, but the cleaning up part doesn’t change.
We’ve taken all their toys away, locked them in a room and so that you can’t have them until you guys start listening. We’ve tried allowance, that wasn’t a motivational part to do their part of cleaning their room. We also have homeschooled the older three and so our seven year old has taken to not doing his school. We’ve taken away the things that were in his room like Lego or books that he would be distracted with instead of doing his schoolwork. Again, that’s not working. Both my husband and I are firstborn traits and so we’re doing our very best and being mindful of the fact that we could have more of a critical eye. However with them, we don’t really know what to do.
Dr. Leman: Wow. First of all, let me tell you, you’re trying way too hard. Family life should not be militaristic. It shouldn’t be so over dominated with activities. I heard swimming lessons, hockey, the list went on. On top of that, you’re homeschooling kids. You do get an A for nailing a couple things just right. Your word defiance, when a kid is defiant, defiant, you know the parent is not in authority over the child. Think about that. Defiance has an attitude, an edge, a get back at. You’ve hurt me, therefore I have a right to strike back at you kind of thing. Tripe A stars for nailing the word defiance. We’ll get to that in a second.
And then when you use the term deliberate, again, here’s another clue. When kids are deliberate, it’s a plan. It’s not something, it’s not a response. It’s not simply a reaction, although it is a reaction, that deliberate action on their part, but it’s purposeful. It’s planned to get back at and the kids for whatever reasons, we’ll get to them, don’t see yourself, a firstborn, critical eyed, as you might be, as anything other than the enemy.
If we take a vote, a functional vote right now, it’s three to one or three to two. Now why isn’t it four to two? Because your little guy’s only two so I’m going to eliminate him for just a second. And by the way, you have two families, you have a firstborn, a middle child and a baby son and then you have the first born daughter who also happens to be the youngest in the family. The real problem here and you have to understand this. And when I hear you say, “Well, we tried this and we tried that.” That’s what parents who are not centered on the word authority do, they run from pillar to post. The word picture I have is the four little ponies are out of the barn and now we’re going to try to round them up and get them back in the barn. And like I say, we’re trying way too hard.
Before we start talking about how do we get these kids to cooperate, to help, to listen and all those things, you guys have to work on fixing yourselves here. You are way too deep in authoritarian means with these kids. Your idea of consequence is that you’re the authoritarian, you tell the kids what to do and they’re supposed to fall in line and do it. That’s not how it works. They have to see you relationally in a way that they feel like you really care about them. Now I know this is a tough one, Marcie, because I don’t think the kids feel it from you. I think they see you as the big people who run things and there’s a big difference.
What I’m going to suggest to you is that you and your husband get two copies of the book, Have a New You by Friday, two copies, and I want you to read them. And I want you to get two different colored highlighters and just highlight them and then exchange books. It could be the same color, but I’d like you to have your own books you can write notes in it to yourself because what has to happen here, we need to change. Basically change some things that you’ve thought about yourselves for years. You might also enjoy The Birth Order book, which gets into family systems a little bit. What did you learn about life from your parents? What is the perception that you took into child rearing that needs to be explored and looked at?
I’m just telling you, this is what we’re talking about here is not an oil change and a filter. We’re talking about tearing down the engine and putting things back together again. And this is going to be tough for you guys because a knee jerk fashion, in fact, you’re not going to like what I’m saying. That’s a given. Who wants to hear this? I wouldn’t want to hear it and I’m saying it. I’m trying to be helpful by being confrontive with you to say, “This isn’t on the kids. This is on you guys.” You’ve created an atmosphere in that home that is not conducive to listening. You tell me, do you tell the kids just once to do things? No, you are on their case. You remind them, you coax them, you get angry, you say things that you don’t mean which creates guilt in you and then you go from pillar to post and start loving on him because you know you just made a fool of yourself.
You really need to sort of stop and take a look at what’s happening here because at age is 7, 5 and a half and four and two, let’s add 10 years to that. Now you have a 17 year old, a 15 and a half year old, a 14 year old and a 12 year old. You’re going to have many an Armageddon evening, I promise you, if you continue on this way. You need to do some reading, some self discovery, some looking inward. If you’re a person of faith, I’d make this an item of prayer in your life every day. That Lord, help me to do things differently. And again, that little book, Have a New You by Friday, will give you some specific ways of trying to tame some of those ingrained tendencies that are very much a part of your personality.
Again, you guys have bitten off an awful lot. You got four kids within five years of each other, you’re homeschooling, you’ve tried way too many things. It’s sort of like whack-a-mole, you make some headway over here and a whack-a-mole pulls up, whack them over the head. When does it stop? I hear the frustration in your voice. And again, if we looked at you and your husband, I think if we had a panel of people just look at you guys, people would say, “Wow, these are great people. These are people who care about their kids. These are people who want their best for their kids. These are people who want the best for their home. They want their best for their marriage. They’re good at helping other people. They’re givers. They’re not takers.” But the authoritarian just jumps off your question. It just yells, “Hey, we’re authoritarians and we’re thinking we’re moving toward being an authority.” And apparently it’s not working because you haven’t sat down and had a basic game plan.
And I’ve said for years, that beautiful cathedrals are built one brick at a time. And I think you’d admit we live in an Instant Jello society where we want everything to happen overnight. And here I’m talking, I write a book called, Have a New Husband by Friday and Have a New You by Friday, Have a New Kid by Friday, Have a new Teenager by Friday. If it sounds like I’m a hypocrite, trying not to be. I’m all for behavioral change. And I really believe in most situations, behavioral change can literally take place in 48 hours, but we have so much here on the plate. I think you need a little time out yourselves to really talk about how we put things together. There’s resources there for you. I would start at the most primary level of your relationship and develop some kind of a system where if a parent is becoming too authoritarian, you have a code word, that backs that person off.
But for example, when kids don’t pick up, leave it there. Leave it there. Don’t go in and pick it up for them or take away their toys because they didn’t pick it up. I know that’s a consequence. In some situations that works. In this, I think you have to start showing the kids that you are very unhappy, but not in an authoritarian way, in a position of authority because these kids that are running on a destructive mode right now will not like it when they understand that you are unhappy with them. Again, I know that was a long litany of things I just went through and we will now defer to our in residence, parents of floor, Doug and Andrea Terpening for their response.
Doug: I, As a recovering authoritarian parent, it’s really hard to see that in yourself. On this side, it’s much easier to see it, but for these two, the book would be a huge help. But how do you really internalize this? How do you get the reality? Because everything they said, they sound like the model parent that everybody wants to be.
Dr. Leman: Yeah. Doug, well take us into your journey. You just said it, you’re a reformed authoritarian parent. What were the things that you had to do to look at yourself? Maybe that would help, why don’t you share that?
Doug: The honest truth is I think Andrea did, I think between you and Andrea, but Andrea every now and then would graciously be strong enough to stand up and tell me, “You are out of control here.” And she just said it enough times that eventually I realized that. And then listening to you helped me realize that my kids were setting up to rebel. And then, the other thing that really helped, we had some families that were a little bit farther ahead of us and the ones that stayed the authoritarian path, their kids uber rebelled and the ones that were on the authoritarian path and then calm down, their kids turned out great. And we just watched it in live, but I had to have Andrea and you helped me understand it. Yeah.
Dr. Leman: Now friends, this is why I love Doug Terpening so much. This is not easy for a man to say what he just said. I always tell ladies with tongue in cheek, I think of your husband as a four year old that shaves. We’re pretty basic people. And with that basic maleness, lots of times it’s difficult for us to admit that we’re going down the wrong road. The self awareness thing and the coming together as a couple where you help each other to gain insight into what’s really happening here, keep in mind that perfectionism is slow suicide. The critical eye just destroys your child’s spirit. It makes them angry people who want to strike back. It just sets up a reaction rather than response. It sets up defiance rather than a listening heart or so these kids need ways of helping the family. They need to give back to the family because they’re going to become very selfish kids if this continues and they’re going to be bitter and angry.
These aren’t kids that are going to look forward to time with mom and dad, when they have families. They’re going to be distant. They’re going to be well, we have to go see my mom and dad type of kids. That’s not what you want. I’m telling you as a dad who talks to his kids all the time, they call us. They initiate things with us. They want to travel with us. There’s nothing better than having that kind of relationship. Doug and Andrea are at the stage where their two older ones are really starting to spread their wings and they’re seeing that. They’re seeing the result of the kind of parenting that they did and their kids have profited from it. And so we want, Marcie, I know this is a tough one for you. If you’re not crying right now, or during this thing, then I’ve misjudged you. This is tough to take But I think you need to pull the rug out and start doing some things differently.
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Oh my goodness. There’s a lot of things that influence a young child’s personality, namely mom and dad and other siblings. I get it. I’ve written a few books on the subject, but you know the one that I discovered in private practice almost by accident, then I saw this tremendous trend, was the critical eyed parent. When you should it on your kid, I got to be careful how I say that, don’t I? You should do this. You should do that. What you’re really conveying to your kids is they didn’t measure up. Watch out for that critical eye. Yes, if you’re an engineer or a math teacher or a physicist, I know perfection pays off, but again, we do not need perfection in rearing our children. We need to pursue excellence. You can do this, parent. Lots of books out there that address this, including The Birth Order book. Sold well over a million copies for a reason.
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Well, it ain’t going to be easy, to put it bluntly. It really isn’t. I don’t want to be a forecaster of doom, but I’m just telling you, that’s why I’m saying, “Stop what you’re doing. Take a look at yourself. Do some reading. Let’s come together with a game plan.” Because they are who they are. It’s going to take steadfast commitment on the part of the parents to change the environment in that home. I’ve said many times, “You parents have all the gold.”
Andrea: Can you paint a picture of what, okay, she drew a picture for us of what their house home is like, what would you say in a month, can you paint a picture of what it could look like if they were on the right trajectory?
Dr. Leman: Well, I’m going to say some things she’s not going to like. The first thing I would suggest is you stop homeschooling. Oh boy, I can see the emails coming right now. Dr. Leman, you have no idea what our schools are like in this area. Hey, I happen to have seven schools. I know something about educating kids and there are charter schools around who quite frankly, biased opinion, do a pretty good job. Are there charter schools do a lousy job? Yes, there are. But I would find an environment for your kids to learn outside of your home.
Andrea: And why is that?
Dr. Leman: It takes the 24/7 being around the kids. Mom needs some relief here. She needs some time for herself. She needs to take care of herself. And right now, assuming husband goes out the door to work and maybe he doesn’t, maybe he works through home but if he goes to work and she’s with the kids 24/7 and we’re trying to reinvent the wheel, that’s an awful big assignment. If the ship is sinking, you don’t talk about repainting the ship. You get rid of excess stuff that’s on the ship so it doesn’t sink. That’s number one right there. That will eliminate a lot of problems. See, the perfectionism, I have to do at all, I have to control everything, everything’s got to come together. If you’re a betting man or woman, you’d bet against this one.
Without some drastic action on their part, this one won’t turn around. Those kids will grow bitter and angry. Parents will suffer crisis after crisis as these kids get older. Like I said, this isn’t an oil change. This is a total overhaul of the family engine. That’s number one. If you can do that, that’d be a huge thing because see she’s letting go. And that letting go is going to be very difficult because the high need to control. If you’re a perfectionist, you want to control everything.
Andrea: Okay. What’s number two?
Doug: Activities.
Dr. Leman: Very good. Very good. Dr. Doug. Yeah, limit activities. If you have four kids and they each had an activity, oh my goodness. That’s a lot on your plate. We got to get back to some basics here. I heard swimming lessons. Okay so the kids are seven, five and a half, four, two. Yeah, I can see the swimming lessons. That’s a good, healthy activity. It takes energy to do that. Mom gets to sit by the edge of the pool and watch or whatever. She gets a time to read a book, where the kids are under someone’s instruction for an hour or she gets to sunbathe, depending upon where you live, what time of year it is.
Cut down the schedule, cut down all the shoulding in your home. We should do this. We should do that. Let’s let’s get out of the pie in the sky. Again, keep in mind the ship is sinking so we’re not going to rearrange the deck chairs, so to speak. She doesn’t need number three, number four, number five, number six. Number one and number two are huge. And it gives instant relief and she’s going to feel a lessening of stress in her life. She never mentioned the stress in her life, but I guarantee it’s there. And that stress, Marcie, will take its toll. Stomach disorders, back disorders, migraine headaches, you name it. It’ll pop out. Stress has a way of working itself out of the body into the extremities.
Andrea: But what I’m hearing is giving up some control and need to do all these things, especially as the kids are so young. The other thing that I’m feeling because we’ve been here and actually those ages are pretty close to where our kids were in age span and I’m hearing and she didn’t describe this, whether or not she does, just getting on the floor and playing a game with them and enjoying them. And I’m still learning and have to tell myself sometimes, “Just stop and put your arm around the kid, tell them how much you love them. Go for a walk with them, play a game with them.” Because it’s easy to be busy getting stuff done. And it’s hard sometimes to look past a mess or an unfinished project and just get on the floor and hang out with them.
Dr. Leman: And keep in mind that Marcie is probably 29 to 32 years of age, would be a good guess. She’s young, she’s active.
Doug: Well, I’m going to wrap this up. I think we have given lots of good advice to our caller today.
Andrea: And just in case she didn’t hear it earlier, I think just to remind her, Dr. Leman invited you, Marcie, to call back in in about a month and tell us how things are going, because we really want to hear how you guys are doing, answer your questions.
Doug: And this is a great question. This is such a good question. Kudos to you for calling in and asking it. And as I hear in your voice, you can do this. If you’ve done all this already, you can do this. It’s hard work, but you can do it.
Andrea: And you obviously really care about your kiddos.
Doug: Oh you love them. Yep.
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Andrea: Have a great one. Thanks, Marcie.
Doug: Take care.
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Doug: I got to spend all my time taking care of my children, that’s all the time I have for sweetie. While I’d love to give you more, I can’t. The question we get to ask Dr. Leman today is, is it smart to invest energy into that partner? And does that equal smart parenting or is it better to give that energy to the kids? Hi, I’m Dr. Penny.
Andrea: And I am Andrea.
Doug: And we are so happy that you are here with us today. It is so good to be with you. Welcome. If this happens to be your first time, glad you’re here, I want to let you know this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or your child, please go seek a local professional for help. Well, Dr. Leman, the question today is, do I have to really care about Andrea at all or can I just pour all my energy into my kids and that smart parenting?
Dr. Leman: Well, before we get into that let me just remind people, you mentioned people who are new to us, do yourself and your friends a favor and yeah, us too I guess, by tweeting it out or putting it on your Facebook page that you found this podcast that you like. Hope you enjoy it, we try to be practical. We do admit we entertain you a little bit as we go along, but that seems to make the medicine go down a little easier.
Dr. Leman: The question is, do I put all my effort into my children? If you do your kids will really turn against you someday because they’ll be angry that you didn’t put enough energy, time, love, and attention into your mate. We literally love each other and have each other’s backs in marriage, a lot of good blessings so to speak, fall off the parental mountain and onto the children. A reminder parents, your kids are always looking up. They’re watching how you talk to each other, how you treat each other, how you treat strangers. They’re watching how you handle curve balls. Do you hit it out of the park or do you strike out whimper and put your tail between your legs and walk away?
Dr. Leman: You’ll never go wrong in investing in your marriage. I always say that marriage is like a delicate plant and if you don’t enrich it, you don’t water it, you don’t put good fertilizer around it and good soil around it, that’s going to die. And there’s nothing worse than getting into your marriage just 20, 25 years and realizing you don’t have much to talk about anymore because you put too much effort into the children. Again, you want a model openness, forgiveness, communication, closeness.
Dr. Leman: I love it when I hear my kids say, “Oh, I think that is so cute. You did what? You got a what? You did what?” It’s not rocket science. What you put into it you’re going to receive back, so prioritize. Marriage partners are number one, kids are number two, other things are number three. If you just have that simple paradigm in your life, your relationship with your family is going to be better I guarantee you that.
Doug: Dr. Leman, in full honesty that’s easy to say but really, really hard to do. Andrea, she’s a full-grown adult, she can take care of herself, but we got to get to piano lessons and we got to take care of their emotional needs. How do I balance that?
Dr. Leman: Well, again a reminder, the kids self-esteem comes from kids helping themselves, let’s start with that. But to make this more interesting. I talked with a man just this week who worked on one of the Kennedy campaigns. He is a well-respected man nationally and internationally. He has an office in Washington and an office in New York to give you an idea. He has hundreds of people that work for him. And he shared a story with me about the fact that he was given an opportunity to have another political appointment. And he told his wife, he was really excited about it. And she said, “Well, I’ll tell you what? If you take that assignment, we’ll come together again after that assignment’s over.”
Dr. Leman: Now, what did she do? She drew the line in the proverbial sand. And he told me, he said, “She looked at me and she said, ‘I know how you are in a political campaign. I will never see you so I’m not going to set myself up for disappointment. You just call me when you’re done.'” He had taken the job, he went ahead and took the job. And three days later he told this person that every one of my listening audience right now would know I’m talking about. He told him, “No, there are more important things in life than political campaigns.” And he went back and he became the husband he needs to be, and he still is her husband by the way.
Dr. Leman: Again, I think we need to really put our money where our mouth is. I know some of these things are difficult. Sometimes you get in temporary situations, I know a lot of football coaches in the NFL. You’ve got to be a special woman to be married to one of those NFL coaches, because those guys literally are not home very much. But when you marry a football coach hopefully you know what you’re getting yourself into. Well, enough of that, what do you think?
Doug: What are some tangible… You said that if the marriage is good there’s these things that follow them that are blessings, parenting blessings. What are some of those lessons that come from a healthy marriage and relationship to the kids, or to help us in parenting?
Dr. Leman: Well, I think if you have honest communication between a husband and a wife, honest communication, then you’re going to have transparency. Transparency is a good thing. Now again, should kids know everything that’s going on in a marriage? Obviously not. Okay? But if there’s good communication your kids learn to be good communicators because they had parents who were good what? Listeners. You see, this all intermingles together. This thing of being a parent, being a marital partner, it’s hard to separate. It’s like many strands of twine just come together and build a strong bond for your family.
Dr. Leman: And that’s very hard to unravel because it’s so tightly knit and there’s so many different strands. Every time you invest, every time you give vitamin E to a son or a daughter, for you newbies, vitamin E is encouragement. And the other thing your kid needs is vitamin N, which is no. And we think that creates a situation where you’re unhealthy authority over your children, which means you’re not going to take any gaff from your son or your daughter at any point. And there’s no doubt in the children’s minds who the heads, notice that’s plural of the family are.
Doug: What about for that partner out there that is, they don’t have a good marriage, it’s struggling right now and they have teenage kids right there in the throes of all that craziness or busy-ness or they’re toddlers, either way. And now they’re sitting here going, “I love you Dr. Leman, but I can’t imagine spending the energy to fix my marriage and take care of my kids, that just that’s too much. Honestly, I just I’ve weighed the consequences and in my mind I can’t do all that.” What would you say to them?
Dr. Leman: I would say you’re probably going to be divorced. And that oughta put some chills up some people’s spines because they’re saying that’s where we are today. But that’s why we do this podcast. I’m telling you, it’s the stuff you do from day one in the marriage that makes a difference. You don’t go 15 years into a marriage and then decide you need to fix things, that’s very difficult to do. If you’re in trouble, I don’t suggest this often to people, but go get some outside help. And I’ve written books like Have a New You by Friday. It’s a great book, I wrote a book for someone who wants to take a look at their life and be their own shrink.
Dr. Leman: You are a product of your family. The stuff that you learned in your family is causing you dissonance today in your marriage. And your mate is the same one so if you both came out of dysfunctional families, should it be a surprise to anybody that you’re dysfunctional after eight or 15 years of marriage? No, but quite frankly the road back I think has to include God. I don’t know how people do it without faith. Being married to a woman is difficult or weird. They go party in groups of seven and eight, they hug anything that moves, they’re in love with her hair.
Dr. Leman: By the way I have to tell you this. We had a bat in our home last night and Mrs. Up in Tin, isn’t real big on bats and she knew that that bat was going to end up in her hair. And so she went and she got a hat I use for fishing when I’m out in the boat to keep the sun off my face, a wide-brim hat. And she sat there watching America loves talent or whatever, that thing, America’s Got Talent. While they had her I took a picture of her and I sent it to all of our kids. And one of our kids said, “The bat whisperer.” Well, I don’t know why I told you that funny little story but to me it was sort of cute and funny. But you know if you can laugh at yourself that helps? Don’t take things so seriously.
Dr. Leman: But you know what? If you’re at rock bottom, seek some help from someone who wants to get rid of you, some of them will sit down and hear you out. Your marriage is competitive, you’re trying to win things that’s why you fight. Fight that leads to that cooperation. And I wrote a book called Sheet Music. If you’ve never read Sheet Music you are missing something. That is one of the best marriage sex books ever written and it’s numbers prove that. Get a copy of Sheet Music, sit down and read it together, highlight it. Just commit, don’t be pointing a finger saying, “Hey, we both aired here and we both want it to be better so let’s just make it a priority in our home and start one brick at a time. And as I’ve said many times, beautiful cathedrals are built one brick at a time.
Doug: Dr. Leman I’ve heard you say this more often than I can remember. It’s like, you start with you not with your spouse. If I was supposed to start with me, it’s really hard for me to do it by myself. What books have you written that would help someone who is trying to get out of this? Not so great spot with their spouse or would they want to stay in a great spot with their spouse?
Dr. Leman: Well, I think the Have a New You by Friday and The Birth Order Book are the first two that come to mind. But so couples I’ve found there’s sexual problems in the marriage, and if there’s sexual problems in the marriage there’s communication problems in the marriage. Reading that book, Sheet Music and Have a New Sex Life by Friday are probably a couple I would certainly read. Books are basically cheap, therapists are very expensive.
Dr. Leman: And the question is, do you really need a therapist or is it something you can work on? You have the power within you to change your behavior. If the relationship is going to change your behavior, Doug, has to change. Andrea, your behavior has to change. The relationship doesn’t change by one person changing, both people have to change. Make it an assignment and you’ll eventually receive the blessing of that but so will the people around you, namely your children.
Doug: Well, this is a perfect segue into the ebook that we get the offer to you this month of September, which is what you just said, Have a New Sex Life by Friday. You can get it now wherever your eBooks, starting now to the end of September for only a buck 99. And Andrea, do you want to read what Timothy said about this?
Andrea: Yeah. He says, “Every couple should get this book. If you love your wife or your husband get this book and learn how to treat and respect one another. You will learn things you did not know then practice it.”
Doug: Dr. Leman, is this book only about having a sex life or is it something more than that?
Dr. Leman: No, it’s a marriage book. But like I say so many parents just struggle in this area. Like Andrea just read it’s very well received by people, they like it. It’s practical. I share a lot of personal things in there as well and there’s a lot of laughs in the book. And when laughter is there it helps, I think.
Doug: Well, my recommendation to everybody, you can get it now for a buck 99. Read it, you’ll be blessed beyond. Also, I want to mention that a couple of little while ago we talked about who could call in and describe Doug and Andrea Terpening. And Mrs. Terpening and the Terpening kids listened to all of your voicemails that you left for us and I’m super happy to announce that Bethany Evans, you are the winner of trying to describe what Doug and Andrea look like. And so you’ll be getting an email from us about which Leman book you’d love to get. Now, a no-nonsense parenting moment with Dr. Kevin Leman.
Dr. Leman: Hey parents, I’m going to ask you to do something really simple. Just stand up and be the parent you need to be. I’m walking through a grocery store. There’s a four-year-old in a car with a young mommy. And every time the cart stopped, the child began to point, “I want that, I want that.” “No, honey, this is what…” “No, I want that.” A little fussing and before long what mom didn’t want, she said she didn’t want is in the cart. For the life of me, parent, every kid needs vitamin N which has no. If you don’t assume your authority your child is going to steal it from you and you’re going to create a little brat to put it bluntly, okay? There’s a reason people look at you sometimes in the store, believe me. They’re shaking their heads saying, “I cannot believe that mother. Who is an authority over who?” Don’t ever forget it, you are an authority over your children, not as authoritarian, but you are an healthy authority. Utilize it, its free.
Doug: Here’s a question that sometimes I wonder, how much affection should I show around my kids?
Dr. Leman: Oh, absolutely. Sometimes the kids will pretend they don’t want to see it, they’re a little embarrassed or whatever, but affection is always great for kids to witness.
Andrea: Why is it good for them to see that?
Dr. Leman: Affection shows closeness, it shows vulnerability, it shows caring. Make yourself a list parents, of the virtues you’d like to see your kids have and see how that simple expression of affection encompasses many of those values you say you want in your kids’ lives. The old song, people who need people are what? The luckiest people in the world. It’s not a sign of weakness that you need someone in your life. And some of us have lost friends, we lost a dear friend recently. They’re married forever and everybody describes this woman as wonderful, caring, helpful, compassionate, affectionate. And what a nice thing to say about somebody as opposed to hard-nose, critical, mean, knows everything, never says they’re wrong or sorry. Those teachable moments in the home, just those little simple caresses and little pats, they communicate that we care for each other in this family. And kids are very quick to catch onto that.
Doug: I think here might be my final question. You said that we are a product of the family we grew up in. If our marriage is dysfunctional, how much are we setting up our kids to have a dysfunctional marriage versus if we can try and get as healthy as we can or good to marriage? How much is our marriage going to equal our kids’ marriage?
Dr. Leman: Well, I think if you look at it like this, if you and Andrea have a good, healthy marriage, okay? You’re setting your kids up for success with the opposite sex. Will that always happen? No, because your kids have free will. And some kids even in a loving, transparent, warmth family, for whatever reason they felt like they had to be the dominant one, the winner. It just went on and on and on.
Dr. Leman: And so again life isn’t prescriptive, Almighty God made us all different and gave us all different gifts but what we do with those gifts and how we utilize those skills makes all the difference in the world. You’re still safe. The best thing to do for your kids is to love them, let them stay on their own two feet, hold them accountable, listen to them, love them, communicate with them, it’s pretty simple. Again, none of this is rocket science.
Doug: Well, thank you, Dr. Leman. And if you’re one of those individuals that’s in a marriage that’s struggling, I can’t recommend enough these great books for you to gain and grow for your own sake. Right now you can get Have a New Sex Life by Friday, which is about more than just sex for a dollar 99 between now and the end of September of 2020. Wherever you get eBooks go and get that one. Have a New You by Friday and The Birth Order Book are absolutely excellent books for you to get as well to really understand you more and understand your spouse more, which really does help when you begin to understand them. Well, it was great to be with you. We love hanging out with you and helping you add to this toolbox so you can love those kids more and more and we look forward to the next time we get to be with you.
Andrea: Have a great date with your spouse this week, and bye-bye.
Doug: Yeah, I like that nice throw in there. Alrighty, take care. Bye.
]]>It’s time for another Ask Dr. Leman: “My 4-year-old is Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde.” What do you do when your kid frequently switches between good and bad behavior? Listen in as Dr. Leman pinpoints the causes of this erratic behavior on today’s episode of Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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Transcript
Doug: Do you have that young child that one moment just cuddles up next to you and melts your heart and you think you could sit there forever? And the next thing you think, “Oh my goodness, this isn’t even the same child I had a half an hour ago.” Well, that’s the question that Sharon asked about her Doctor Jekyll and Mr. Hyde four-year-old, that we get to ask Dr. Leman for you. And what is she to do with him? Hi, I’m Doug Turpening.
Andrea: And I’m Andrea.
Doug: And we are really, really glad that you are here today. If this happens to be your first time with us, we’d just like to let you know two things. One, this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or your child, please go seek a local professional for help. And two, I mean, we’ve been doing this for years and we just learned something for the first time.
Andrea: Today is Dr. Leman’s birthday!
Doug: [inaudible 00:00:59].
Andrea: Happy birthday, Dr. Leman.
Dr. Leman: Oh, well, thank you.
Doug: How does it feel to be 49?
Dr. Leman: It’s actually 47. I’ll tell you a funny little story. My father’s family all came from Ireland and they were all … Well, they tipped a few too many beers In life. Let’s just say that. But when I was born, my dad looked at me and said, “He looks like a little cub,” meaning a little bear cub and I had a little round head. I think I was a fairly cute little baby, but that Cub stayed. To this day.I have people who call me Cub, which is my nickname or Cubby. In fact, I was in Cleveland, Ohio doing a talk show and one of the guests on the show was Uncle Milty. Now, you have to be old to know who Uncle Milty was. They called him Mr. Television. His name was Milton Berle. But when my segment came, we got a call from someone who wanted to ask Dr. Cubby a question.
And I told the host of the show. I said, “Well, I don’t know who’s on the line, but I know it’s an old friend from my childhood.” So it’s interesting that little things that people sometimes say about you as a kid, sort of stays with you, including a name. So lots of times when I’m online talking to friends on classmates.com, no one ever refers to me as Kevin. They never give me the honor of Dr. Leman ever. And these are people I grew up with. It’s, “Hey you,” and Leman or Cub. So anyway, thanks for the birthday wishes. It’s great to be 47. I’m looking forward to being 78 next year.
Andrea: Well, happy birthday, Dr. Cub.
Doug: That’s a great story. I’m so happy know that now. Now it’s going to be hard not to call him Dr. Cub.
Andrea: Dr. Cub.
Dr. Leman: Dr. Cub. I had a license once on my plate that said Dr. Cub and I was driving down to New York state through and you can’t make up stories like this, and there’s somebody honking their horn crazily next to me. Okay. I’m thinking, “What’d I do? I do something wrong?” And finally, he rolls down a window and I recognize him. He’s a classmate. I hadn’t seen him at that point. Probably 30 years. They recognized the Dr. Cub. So.
Doug: Fun, fun, fun. Well, just for context, some of you are listening to this, this is September 1. So if you’re wondering about that and so it’s really fun to be with you, Dr. Leman. And now let’s hear what Sharon has to say and how we can help her out.
Sharon: Hi, I am the stay at home mom of three children, a six year old boy, a four year old boy and a almost two year old daughter. I am questioning how to handle my four year old son. He is a little Jekyll, Mr. Hyde. He can be the sweetest thing. He loves to snuggle and he loves to say sweet things. He loves to be loved on, but the minute he hears something he doesn’t like, or hears the word, no, or can’t do something he wants to, he screams and he hits and he fusses and says mean things like “poopy mommy,” or just thinks is going to get under my skin.
I’ve been trying to educate myself. I love your books. I don’t even know off the top of my head, how many I’ve read. I’ve definitely read Powerful Child and Making Children Mind. So I try to ignore those things. I try not to give him the power back. I try not to let him know that it affects me, but there are certain situations where I don’t know what to do when he wrecks his brother’s drawing or Lego creation. And it breaks my perfectionist firstborn’s heart. And he lashes out back at him. How do I handle that? When he’s in the parking lot and wants to run away from me, or starting to run away. Won’t get in the car. What do I do then? It’s situations like that where I don’t know what to do. I am at my wit’s end. When he calls me names, what do I do? So I would appreciate any advice you might have for me. I am a big fan of yours. And thank you so much for your time.
Dr. Leman: He is a powerful child, for sure. Okay. That we know. So four year old boys can be a handful. Now, some people who have rather sensitive ears to things like when dr. Leman says four year boys, their ire goes up. Well, I’m telling you, those of you who ears go back and you get a little angry. When you hear me say that, let me spell this out as clearly as I can. Boys and girls are different. They’re inherently different. They play different. They display basic different tendencies in their play and behavior. So if you have a problem with that, I can’t help you. I can just tell you to do some research. And you’ll find out that the male brain and the female brain are very, very different. They respond to the exact same stimuli differently. And I’m just telling you a four year old boy, it’s the best age there is to have a kid. Four.
They are precious. They are communicative. They are little snuggle bunnies, but they can be H-E double hockey sticks on wheels as well. Many of them have much more energy than they deserve, and they will play you like a violin. Now, let me tell you my very first thought, when I heard this play through. Not only was the child, a powerful child, but I’m suspect that Sharon and her husband are not on the same page when it comes to discipline. That’s my first guess. And it is a guess. But what I’m thinking is that this kid is conflicted between two different messages he’s getting in the home. And I’m just wondering out loud, if that isn’t part of the problem. So when you say help me, I don’t know what to do. My first suggestion is make sure that that’s not the case. Make sure that you are on the same page, because that gives a kid what?
Confidence. It gives them a comfort, psychological comfort. I’m always reminding parents. You’re the psychological blankie for your son or your daughter. So that’s my first suspicion that mom and dad, I mean, she sounds like a great mom. I would just say I’m not sure mom and dad are on the same page with that. I would treat this as a powerful child. I would memorize the book Parenting Your Powerful Child. These kids can flip flop. Keep in mind that the powerful child has all the same behavioral repertoire of the attention-getting child who is very good at getting positive attention by cuddling up and being sweet and saying kind things. But he can also create negative attention. And as he gets discouraged in your family from maybe mom and dad not being on the same page, he develops more maladaptive behavior by moving from simply an attention getting child to a powerful child.
We have a brand new book out there just came out here in late spring, I guess it’s early summer, actually. It was released May 5th called Why Your Kids Misbehave, And What To Do About It. So if there’s two books, you may want to really focus in on, it’s Parenting Your Powerful Child, and Why Your Kids Misbehave In What To Do About It.
Doug: What does she do when her four year old goes and destroys firstborn perfectionist’s Legos? It sounded there like she could overreact a little bit too when he violates the six year olds stuff.
Dr. Leman: Again, for all perfectionists, let me just remind you it’s not a great attribute. It’s not one that you’re just going to get rid of. It’s one that you’re going to try to control as best you can. Again, I go back to the energy factor. A six year old has built this wonderful little edifice with her Legos. And four year old sees that as a challenge. What a wonderful thing to knock down, what a wonderful thing to pull apart. And in doing so he gets attention. So he feels the pressure, even at four, that he has to measure up to little firstborn daughter who’s probably pretty perfectionistic themself. And mom is at admitted perfectionist. So you can get behind this kid’s eyes and say, “How do I get to the top of the mountain in this family?”
And remember when I talk about getting to the top of the mountain, I’m talking about a striving for superiority and that’s sibling rivalry. That’s competition among peers. Competition in the workplace, competition at home. So I don’t think this kid is a kid that you send off to some shrink who specializes in pediatrics or anything. I’d be the last thing I do with this kid. I would try to be more mindful of what’s going on in his eyes. And at four, you can talk with them. You can make up a story, for example. Tell this little guy a bedtime story that’s very similar to the life that this kid lives, where the punchline of the story is his kid misbehaved as a way of making sure that people around him love him. And there’s a conversation that goes, “Honey, mommy will always have plenty of love for you. I’ll never run out of love for you. My little love tank will never run on empty for you. I love you no matter what.” But at four you can actually talk to a kid. At two, sit down and reason with a kid, you might just spit in the wind. Four, you can talk with them.
Doug: So for Sharon, you’re saying that four year olds, this is … he’s doing this to get attention. What does she need to be paying attention to that says, oops, this is maladapted behavior. I got to not pay this part off.
Dr. Leman: This ought to be simple for her because as a perfectionist, she’ll be good at seeing flaws. So when she sees the behavior going awry, it’s important that she doesn’t tell herself he’ll stop. It’s important that she’ll tell herself that this is temporary. It’s important that she acts right away, gives him a look, tells him, “I’m very disappointed. Mommy’s very unhappy,” isolate him. Okay? And for that guy, he’s smart enough to … He’ll isolate for few minutes and then he’ll want to come out. And when he comes out, then appropriate things get said by the four year old and like what? Like he apologizes to his sister for tearing down her little tower, her little house, she was building whatever. So it’s just, it’s logical. It’s relational.
And you repeat as is needed because this little guy, again, we talked about this the other day, we’re doing a podcast about the fact that kids’ personalities are formed in the first five years of life or so. So this guy is turning four if I remember, right. So about 80% of his personality is already formed. So that cement, we talked about children are like wet cement and they, they harden up and that cement’s getting pretty hard at age four. So there’s a need to do some work here. If that guy, if safety is a concern, I’d get one of those little wrist things and put on them when I take them out to a mall or I take them out to a store and there’s a street nearby, obviously. I’d put them on one of those little things that look like a curly telephone wire of years ago.
Doug: Well, let me do the ebook promotion. And then I have another question for you, Dr. Leman. So this from our friends at Baker Revelle, they want to let us know that this September of 2020, for all of September 2020, you can get for $1.99, Have A New Sex Life By Friday. So wherever eBooks are sold, you can get that. And off of Amazon, I pulled this. This is from Martin. Martin says, “Yesterday, I read this book my wife ordered. You’d think that after decades of marriage, I would know all this kind of stuff, but I found that to my surprise that I did not. It’s never too late to learn. The book is about the basic differences between men and women. It’s about a total view of sex outside the bedroom, as well as inside. The right way for both spouses to satisfy these needs of the other is thoroughly discussed. Given the basic differences between men and women. It’s not automatic for them to get on the same page, but as the well known author describes it’s reasonably easy. And the rewards for great sex within marriage can be stupendous.”
So since it was a guy, Andrea said, you read this one, Doug. So I’m reading this one today. Martin, thank you. And again, if you’re there and you’re like, “Oh, our sex life is not what we want.” This is a great book to help you out. Get it now, wherever eBooks are sold between now and the end of September. And now a no nonsense moment with Dr. Kevin Leman.
Dr. Leman: Well, hi, everybody. For most of you, school bells are ringing. They’re about to ring for they have rung, but with COVID, it makes a difference, doesn’t it? You know what? Schools are so smart to offer parents an option. Yes. Online can work for a while, but I think the smartest schools are the ones who would invite students or scholars into the campuses. And by the way, schools provide all kinds of great stuff for kids like food, for special needs students. You can’t put special needs students, many of them on computers, and there’s economic factors as well. So parents, I know it’s upsetting. I know it can even be frightening. We don’t live in fear. Get your scholars back at school. Communicate, talk to your people. Every situation is different. I know to do your best.
Doug: So Dr. Leman, you said something interesting. You said that you can actually talk to a four year old about this, right? Did I hear that right, Andrea?
Andrea: Yeah. He said that at that age you could reason.
Doug: So could we role play? Like you be the parent and I’d be the four year old? Like what would that reasoning look like to a four year old?
Dr. Leman: Okay. Number one, you have to understand that the four year old is going to be very concerned when mom or dad expresses disappointment. Now, what are you disappointed in? You go ahead and you role play, and I’m going to show you the disappointment.
Doug: So I’m the four year old and I walk in and I’m like, I’m walking over to my older sister Andrea’s sweet little perfect tower. And I just happened to walk by and I trip and I fall and I knocked them all over. All her Legos are now shattered. And as I lay on my back, I have a slice smile on me.
Andrea: Okay. Douglas, Douglas, come here.
Doug: Yeah, yeah.
Andrea: Now, Douglas walks over. And I give Douglas the look and notice I’m calling him Douglas and not Douggie As most people call him. It’s Douglas. It’s formal.I might even say Douglas Arthur. Oh, “Dad is very unhappy. I’m very disappointed what you just did. I saw it with my own two eyes and please don’t tell me it was an accident because it wasn’t. I just want you to think about something. And I want you to think about it in your room. Was that a kind thing to do? And what should have you done and what should you do now? Come with me.” And I grab four-year-old’s arm or hand. I take him to his bedroom. I place him in his room and I pulled the door shut. Now, if the kid melts down, he might cry at that point.
So be it, let him cry his little eyes out. I could care less at that point. That’s good for the washing out of the eyeballs. But he could also throw a temper tantrum where he’s angry. He’s hitting the floor. He kicks the door. Don’t say a word. I’m not going to say a word. I’m just going to let him melt down. He’s going to … he’ll stop. No kid continues to go on forever. Once he stops, you can wait a few minutes. You can go to the door, just tap on it gently and say, “Douggie.” Notice we’ve gone from Douglas to Douggie. “Douggie. Are you ready to come out?”
If he says something, I’d open the door and take a look. You might open the door, he might be asleep on the rug. Who knows, but that’s how I would handle it. So it’s not a big long conversation where we’re going to go into depth and have this big, long conversation with a four year old. But you can reason with the four year old, you can tell the four year old exactly how you feel, what you observed. Notice we didn’t sugar coat anything. And then the followup to that is “Honey, you know sometimes kids will do something that’s not nice to other people to make themselves look better, to feel better. Do you think that’s a possibility? I’d love your opinion on that.” With a four year old, you can have a conversation like that. And they’ll usually say at that point, “I don’t know.”
Well, you have to be smart here. They know when they say, I don’t know. They’re just really saying, I don’t want to tell you. They know, give them an opportunity, give them some time to think about it. I wouldn’t let that pass. In other words, I wouldn’t let the kids squirm of that. I’d follow that up later that afternoon, or maybe that evening when you’re tucking him in bed so that the display of inconsiderate behavior becomes a teachable moment as a child. So he realizes that mom and dad take this stuff seriously. And again, it’s important that it’s not just mom or just dad, that both mom and dad, if they’re available, assuming it’s not a single parent home, that they both have input on this. So the kids see mom and dad united and on the same page.
The things that Sharon described was that he also would be really sweet and cuddly at times. So now say, he’s come out of that room and he’s ready to cuddle on the couch and read a book together or something. Is that a time that she should continue to display some disapproval or is it now time to … do you respond to that in a snuggly way?
Dr. Leman: Yeah. He comes out in a cuddly mood. There’s nothing wrong with you loving on him and all that. That’s fine. But when we’re done and maybe you’ve read them a story. Say, “Honey, there’s something that I need to talk to you about. I know Dad said some things to you as he put you in the bedroom, but I want you to know that I feel exactly like Dad does. I was very disappointed to see that in you and we all make mistakes. We’ve all done things that are wrong.” So we’re entering into this is, is Kylie as we can, but we have a firmness about us. So we have a resolve about us, that the kid reads is this is important, pay attention, because again, he does not want an unhappy mommy or daddy. I guarantee you that’s 100%.
Doug: So could you help clarify for some of our listeners and me that sometimes you say no words, just actions, but in this case we use some words. So what is the difference and what is the difference when we use words?
Dr. Leman: Well, it’s a judgment call on the part of a parent. Sometimes you remain quiet. You take action. Other times words are very appropriate. And again, the age of the child, if it’s a two year old, it’s pick them up, isolate them, no words at all. Four year old, you can say some things and you’ll want to give that four year old, in a situation like this, think time. Where they can think about what they did again, we said, what was the right thing to do? And what could have you done better or whatever.
In our schools, in Leman Academy of Excellence schools. We have seven of them in the country now. I always suggest to teachers, they have a thinking chair because sometimes a kid is doing something inappropriate where it’s taking away from the learning of most of the kids in the classroom and let them go sit in the thinking chair for awhile and just think it through. And when that child has a better way of dealing with that, they get to put their hand up. Teacher comes over to the desk and the kid gets an opportunity to say what he should have done differently. So it’s some kind of a learning experience. Then he joins the class once again.
Doug: Well, I think as an outside observer, you can correct me, please correct me. It seems to be that the difference is that often we are berating the kid or yelling, “Stop. Don’t do that ever again.” Where you’re saying no, we talk about we’re disappointed. We don’t ask any questions. We display that we’re not content with it. And then the action follows. Where I think most like me, I would have been like, “What? You crazy child. Why are you doing this? Can’t you see what you done and apologize to your brother right now and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.” You’re saying no, no, no, no, no, no. Don’t do that. You say you’re disappointed. Put them in the room. So there’s a few words about your disappointment. And I put them in the room. Is that right? Is that the difference?
Dr. Leman: Yeah. And again, I think an admonition to all of our mommys and dads listening, don’t make this bigger than it is. Just deal with that situation. Okay. Don’t read into it. Oh my goodness. This kid’s going to be in jail by the time he’s 18. I mean that little lovable four year old, he can be a terror. I can see it as she describes him. I mean, this is a guy that’s, he’s ready to go. There’s a kid that’s going to have, he’s got a lot of energy. And so he needs a way of dealing with that energy in a positive, healthy way. So there’s a young kid that’s probably, she’s a ball. It just to him, it says kick me. He’s going to be probably athletic. And he’s probably going to be very physical oriented and about everything he does in life.
Doug: Well, Sharon, I love your question and appreciate you being such a conscientious, great mom. Like honestly, you can just hear it in your voice that you’re loving that kid and trying to, trying to do the right thing. So kudos to you for investing. And I think Dr. Leman’s encouragement to you is this four year old is going to be okay and you’re doing well.
Dr. Leman: Yeah. Doug, these parents that call in these are good parents. These aren’t flaky, far out, weird … I’m telling you, trust me, I’m an expert on parents. And some of them are dumb as mud. They don’t know some of the basics. They really don’t. But I’m trying to think of an exception. I can’t think of one that we had the call in with a question that wasn’t a good mom or a good dad. Who’s trying their best to rear their kids in such a way as they become productive citizens someday.
So we’re just happy always to hear your concerns. And if we give you something to think about, or we give you a resource, use those resources. I have people say, “I’ve read that book four times, four times, and I still get a little bit more out of it.” It’s like my favorite all time movie, The Three Amigos. I’ve watched it so many times, but I continue to find little innuendos, the little things that I find funny that sort of alluded me the first time. So be conscientious. You got a job to do. It’s going to pay off. And those early ages, those formative years are important, parents. So I’m glad to know you take that job seriously. God bless you for everything you do.
Doug: Well. And so for the reason I wanted to also add that is that I don’t want anyone that leaves a message to not because they’re like, “Oh, I’m going to sound like an idiot.” No, you sound fabulous. So if you have that question that you just like, “Man, he’s never addressed this,” or “I wish he would do this.” Go to birthorderguide.com/ … like this episode is 329. You can go to 329 at the bottom there’s a microphone. You can click there and leave an audio question for us. And we would love, love, love to answer it for you. And you sound fabulous. So please think about doing that.
And also between now and the end of September of 2020, you can get Have A New Sex Life By Friday for a buck 99, wherever eBooks are sold. Well, it was great to be with you today and on Dr. Leman’s birthday when this is released and we look forward to the next time that we get to be with you and add to that parenting toolbox that you can love those kids more and more.
Andrea: Have a good week.
Doug: Take care. Bye-bye.
Andrea: Bye-bye.
]]>When it comes to discipline and encouragement, are you focussing on your kid or the outcome of their actions? Listen in to learn more about how to focus on the act instead of the actor on this episode of Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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Doug: You are so lazy. Look at this room. This is a pig stye. Is that the way we’re supposed to talk to our kids? Is there something wrong in what I said? Sounds good to me, but I fear what Dr. Leman’s going to say as we ask him the question, “What do you mean when we say focus on the act, not the actor.” Hi, I’m Doug Terpening.
Andrea: And I’m Andrea.
Doug: And we are so glad that you are with us today and adding to your parenting abilities. If this happens to be your first time, I want to let you know this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or your child, please go seek a local professional for help. Well, Dr. Leman, I am excited to ask this question because recently I have been struggling with this concept on how to focus on the act and not the actor because I can feel my ire growing towards some of my children’s behaviors. So what do you mean when you say focus on the act and not the actor?
Dr. Leman: Well, it’s almost a knee jerk reaction for many of us as parents who grew up in authoritarian homes because our parents really didn’t realize it, that they were being demeaning to us when they said things like, “How could you be so stupid? I mean, didn’t you see it sitting there? Why didn’t you have smarts to pick it up? What am I, your maid? Am I your slave?”
Dr. Leman: We’ve talked down to kids for centuries. So, what we try to teach parents by a way of our podcasts is there’s a difference in making it personal. When you say you’re so dumb or you’re so stupid or you’re so… Rather than focus on the action itself, just saying, “Wow, that room needs some attention. That is so much better.” Okay, so you’re focusing on the act. When the kid cleans the room and it’s spic and span perfect clean, and you say, “Wow, that room looks great.” There’s a difference in saying, “Wow, that that room looks great,” and, ” You are the best boy in the entire world, I have never seen a cleaner room than that.” We personalize it. And that says to a kid, okay, mom and dad likes me. They internalize that. They take it personally because I cleaned my room.
Dr. Leman: So it becomes a qualified I love you. I appreciate you. Rather than just flat out commenting about how nice the room looks. Well, I bet that feels good to have that job done. Congratulations. That’s encouragement. So what we’re really talking about here, we talk about the act that we tell people, focus on the act, not the actor that helps you separate that. What we’re really talking about is the difference between praise and encouragement. And I’ve said many times, God is worthy of your praise. I want to praise God. I have no problem with that. I do that in my daily life, but your son, your daughter, your husband, your wife, is not worthy of praise. What they need is vitamin E, which is encouragement. So that focus on the act versus the actor is just one of those little thumbnail things you keep. It’s one of those little pocket notes, so to speak, for reference as you go through life and you ask yourself what I just said, did that focus on the act or the actor? And it’s hard to do that because we all grew up in a praising reward, punishment society. And now we’re asking people to look at things differently. So it’s not easy to do, Doug or Andrea.
Andrea: So here’s a real-life opportunity too, for me to see if I did this right the other day. We recently had to remind one of our kids the chores weren’t getting done. And they knew what the chores were, they had decided whose chores were what, and this one child wasn’t following through. And so we had a little talk about, okay, who’s chores, blah, blah, blah. We notice this isn’t getting done. And then I noticed that they really picked up, and they’ve been doing their chores regularly, and no reminders. And so I thought, I should go and thank them. And I went to them and I said, “Hey, I just wanted to say, thank you. I’ve noticed that you’ve been brushing the dog. You’ve been taking the trash out. And I just realized I haven’t said anything to you. And I really wanted to thank you for stepping up and taking care of these things.” Did I do that wrong?
Dr. Leman: Five-star.
Andrea: Okay. How is that not focusing on the actor?
Dr. Leman: You’re focusing on the job that got done. You noticed that the chores are done. You’ve noticed you’ve been brushing the dog. So it’s the act. The chores are the acts. They’re getting done and all you’re commenting on you. By the way, I never really respond. I’ve seen a difference. That’s encouragement. The kids saying mom and dad recognize that I’m pulling my fair share. Now, just for the sake of our listeners, what kind of chores does that child do? We know they brush the dog, they take the garbage out. What else?
Andrea: Well, they have dishes on a rotation and they have to clean the floors and the bathroom on a rotation with the other kids. Plus he has some pigs to take care of.
Doug: We’ve actually applied your chore thing, so we’re not even fully sure of what the kids’ chores are supposed to do because they make them themselves. So if there’s a problem, we bring it up, but I want to follow up on something. Andrea, you would say, being vulnerable for you, isn’t this nice of me to do this for you?
Andrea: Oh, thanks, Honey.
Doug: You betcha.
Andrea: Yeah.
Doug: Giving encouragement or affirmation is not…
Andrea: It’s not my highest gift. Yeah.
Doug: It can be difficult.
Andrea: Yeah.
Doug: So what did you notice after you did this for him?
Andrea: Well, first of all, I saw him just kind of melt.
Doug: In a bad way or a good way?
Andrea: No, in a really good way, like the smile and the sense that wow, mom recognized that I’m doing this. So, I could tell that he was very happy. And then secondly, for me, it just reaffirmed that I can go and say something to them and that it means a lot if I just take 30 seconds and go and say, “Hey, I’ve noticed, and thank you.” And that it actually means something. It’s powerful.
Dr. Leman: Yeah. Well, I’ll give you an example. We’ve all been affected by the Corona virus, and we have seven schools, and by order of the governor and the state Board of Education, Arizona, like many other States, just close their schools for the school year. And so we had remote learning going on, but one of the things I’m so proud of is that our teachers really rose to the occasion. They made special effort to connect to the scholars on an individual basis. Calls to the home, picking up the old honker, and calling. And of course, with our remote learning, the kids were able to see their friends or schoolmates, which was encouraging to the kids. But as one of our brightest people on our staff said, “During this tough time for all of us, what families are going to remember about Leman Academy of Excellence is that there was a personal connection.”
Dr. Leman: They’re going to remember that kid who had a birthday, he went to the door and he found his birthday pencil. We give a kid a pencil on his birthday and a little crown. The teacher delivers it to the door. It’s going the extra mile. And that’s what kids and families are going to remember about these tough times is how people within schools did what? They use the power of the spoken word and the written note.
Dr. Leman: I’m a nut on handwritten notes. I think that’s a wonderful way to do business today is to get yourself good at giving that personal note. And it just says, hey, we care about you. And so back to our conversation, your kids, parents, need to give back to the family. So just like the interpreting, they have chores that have to be done, and everybody helps. Everybody pulls the rope in the right direction. There are too many parents who do everything. Your kids live in fantasy world because they do nothing. They don’t even pick up their room. There’s parents who pick their rooms up for their kids every day, make their bed, put the toys away. They do everything. These are the kids that are going to enter the job market someday and the boss is going to say why don’t we keep this guy around?
Doug: So, Dr. Leman, how about when it comes to discipline or when you have displeasure to your kids? Does focus on the act, not the actor apply?
Dr. Leman: Sure. It’s easy to demean a kid for behavior, or forgetting things, or whatever, but no, it’s a consequence. And just an honest statement that we function as a family. When you don’t do simple things that we ask you to do, that makes it tougher on somebody else in the family. The discipline might be later that evening, the kid wants to go out or do something, and you give him a little vitamin N. No, we’re not going anywhere. You’ve thrown them a curve ball, there’s no warnings, but it goes back to the fact, hey, you know what? You really need to be a little better at listening to what we ask you to do. We don’t ask you to do a lot, quite frankly, probably don’t ask you to do enough, but when you don’t do simple things we ask, it affects the whole family. So you’re not going anywhere tonight. And I was suggesting you just think about the next time you get asked to do something by your mom, that you might respond differently. So you’re not freaking out. You’re not named calling, but you’re being an authority.
Doug: Yeah. I want to come back in how this has helped me even at work in just a moment, but I want to make sure I get to the parenting advice moment, and the Reveille book moment that they are given away, Have a New Sex Life by Friday, between now and the end of the month of September of 2020 for a $1.99. So those of you that want to see your sex life improve, as well as your relationship, it’s not just about sex, it’s about more than that. Between now and the end of September for a $1.99. And now, a no-nonsense parenting moment with Dr. Kevin Leman.
Dr. Leman: An unhappy child is a healthy child. Think about it. Is the goal of being a parent to create a happy child? Every time I speak to an audience, I’m greeted with parents who say, “Oh, Dr. Leman, I’m so glad you’re here because we to want happy, happy, happy children.” Hey folks, there’s times your kid needs to be unhappy. Why? Because they just obeyed you, they talked back, they were dragged on their sister or their brother, they stole something. So the goal, as a parent, is not to create a happy child, but a child that grows, matures. Toward what? Toward adulthood. Remember, raising an adult, not a child. I’m Dr. Kevin Leman.
Doug: So Dr. Leman, I know this is just a parenting podcast. The focus of it is, yet this is one of the concepts that’s really helped me out quite a bit is because I used to always give false praise to people. You’re a great person. It’s great to be around you. And Andrea, and you both, have said those are empty words. But to say, “Hey, this meal was really great, Honey, I appreciate that,” Is much deeper. And at work I’ve learned, both positively and negatively, to focus on the positive, specific acts people do. And when I get frustrated with people to focus on the specific negative things that they do. How can we help parents begin to look for those? How do you help a parent think about, look for the positive acts that kids have been doing so you can give them encouragement? How do we change that mindset?
Dr. Leman: You get good at catching yourself. You learn by your mistakes and you learn to correct those mistakes. I go back to St. Paul who says to us, he says, “I tell myself not to do these things. And yet I do them.” St. Paul, he had a problem with it. So if Doug Terpening or Kevin Leman has a problem with it, I can see that. It’s difficult. It is a mindset, but it is a retraining of how we think. The false praise thing is ridiculous. People see through false praise. The kid in a basketball game misses the rim. It doesn’t even hit the rim on a shot, and the parents are yelling, “Great job.” Really? Great effort. Sometimes it’s best not to say anything. Failures are part of life. I think, getting people to be emotionally, sort of matter of fact, when failure or things go wrong, probably helps. Something like, “I see your room still need some work.” And you’ll walk away.
Dr. Leman: Is that helpful? I think so. But notice there’s sort of a flat tone in there. You’re just making a statement. The statements help. It describes a situation that needs work, but you’re not adding how many times do I have to tell you, blah, blah, blah. Because as soon as you go down that rabbit hole, the kids are going to just shut you off. In fact, they know about everything you’re going to say before you say it, to be quite frank about it.
Dr. Leman: So I think it is a mindset. And I think as husband or wife worked together as a team to help each other, you both have strengths and weaknesses in a marriage. Try to help each other to create an environment that’s more conducive to good wholesome family living. That ought to be a goal, I would think, for most of us.
Doug: And for all of you out there, I think what Andrea and I have experienced is we used to be more critical-like towards our kids. And as we’ve switched to more Vitamin E and pointing out the good, it’s amazing the change. Huh, Andrea?
Andrea: Well, I think it pulls out the positive too. Like in my little scenario, I can’t help but believe that it’s going to encourage him to keep brushing the dog because he’s like, “Oh, somebody noticed. They care.”
Doug: Yep. Yep. Well, for all of you out there, I would encourage you to focus on the act and not the actor and be aware of false praise versus real encouragement out there. And it does bless your kids. We all love it, right? We all love a real encouragement, even as adults. Why would our kids not love to hear it from us too? So, thank you, Dr. Leman. And a quick reminder, again, you can get the book, Have a New Sex Life by Friday for a $1.99 between now and the end of the month. Well, we love being with you and adding to your toolbox. It was great being with you and adding to your parenting toolbox so you can love those kids more and more.
Andrea: Have a good one.
Doug: Take care.
Andrea: Bye-bye.
Doug: Bye-bye.
]]>It’s time for another Ask Dr. Leman: “How do I get my 10-year-old to stop lying?” Listen in for Dr. Leman’s advice on how to deal with your kid’s compulsive lying on this episode of Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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Doug: No, I didn’t eat that cookie. Nope. I didn’t take that piece of pie. I don’t know where your five bucks that was in your wallet, Mom. No idea. Do you have a liar on your hands and you don’t know what to do about it? Well, that’s the question that Britta asked Dr. Leman that we get to ask for you today. How do I deal with a liar? Hi, I’m Doug Trepaning.
Andrea: And I’m Andrea.
Doug: And we are really glad we’re here, and I’m not lying about that. I am telling the truth. I am really glad that you’re here. And welcome. If this happens to be your first time, I want to let you know, this is for your education and entertainment purposes only, and the subject matter raise any concerns for you or your child. So Dr. Leman, Andrea is always angry. She’s always breaking things. She’s always spending money frivolously. She just doesn’t care about anybody’s heart. So I’m just telling you, that’s the way she is.
Dr. Leman: You just want me to reaffirm that you married way up and you have a lovely wife.
Doug: No, I’m just giving you an example of a liar.
Andrea: Oh.
Dr. Leman: Well, I’m quoting myself from my own marriage seminars, where I’m talking about the wonderful Mrs. Uppington, who I’ve been married to forever, and I’ll tell people straight out, she lies.
Doug: What?
Dr. Leman: She lies all the time. Well, I’ll just be a few minutes. That’s a lie. She’s never been just a few minutes. She’s running into a store, “Oh I’ll just be a second.” Oh yeah. Right. An hour later, she comes out. That’s not the kind of lie we’re talking about today, are we?
Doug: No, we’re not. I will hit this button and you will all hear Britta’s question about her 10 year old and lie. Here we go, Dr. Leman.
Britta: Hello. I’m new to the podcast and new to the parenting method. I’ve just read the How to Have a New Child by Friday book. And I have a question about this podcast, which was about lying and stealing. I have a 10 year old son who tells little lies and it’s really easy to tell when he’s lying, because he looks terrified while he’s doing it, [inaudible] . So he has an easy tell. In the past I’ve said calmly, “I can tell that you’re lying to me right now. Would you like to tell me the truth?” And he will always tell me the truth and it’s usually about something silly. I’m just not sure how to help him stop the behavior, because this is not setting him up for a good life. A little bit about [inaudible] he was adopted at five years old from China. So he was definitely in a situation where he needed to lie to survive. He is no longer in that situation. It’s been five years at home with us and I’m just not sure how to help him be successful without telling lies.
Dr. Leman: Wow. Well, let me say two things. I want to go back to your introduction, Doug, where you say, “We really are glad to be here.” People should know that we started our podcast today at 6:00 AM. So we’re getting Doug and Andrea out of bed at 6:00 AM. We’re now on the same time zone. So we get up early in the morning to deliver these to you. So when he says we’re really happy to be here, he ain’t lying is what I’m telling you. He’s telling the truth. We’re trying to make sense out of life in a way that sometimes puts a smile on your face and it does make the medicine go down a little easier. So thank you, Britta, for your good question. And let me start by saying, I believe this was the first time on all of our podcasts, where I’ve heard the mom give the golden answer in her question.
Dr. Leman: I say the golden answer. Here’s a guy, 10 years old, that lies like a trooper. Okay. And it’s obviously learned behavior, but mom is so smart because she comes around and says, do you want to tell me the truth? And then of course, you’ll see some drama and [inaudible] will owe to it. I mean, in many ways, that is the golden answer. That’s the best thing that she can do when he lies. She understands, and let me just reinforce it that he learned in China, all kinds of adaptive behavior that got him through life as miserable as it was there.
Dr. Leman: Now here’s the part that I need to underscore. And I want everybody to understand this. By age five or six, a child’s personality is formed. I’ve said for years, that children are like wet cement. What do I mean by that? Well, you ever see anybody work on a sidewalk or lay cement? It moves, it’s thick, but it moves, it’s fluid, but it doesn’t take that long for that cement to what? Harden up. And so it is with personality development. You’ve got a two year old, about 40% of their personality is already formed. A three year old, 60%. A four year old, 80%. Here we are at five. So basically this guy’s personality was formed before he ever laid eyes on his mom who loves him. That’s what we’re dealing with here. It’s sort of like growing up right handed and someone says, “All right, now you’re left handed. You’re going to eat left-handed, you’re going to do everything left-handed.” Now, can you imagine how difficult that would be? This is even more difficult than that.
Dr. Leman: All his behavior is automatic. It’s automatic. He’s not thinking I’m going to lie. He just lies. And again, lying is one of the toughest things to deal with behaviorally, with a kid who comes from normal circumstances. Now, again, I certainly don’t want to step on Britta’s toes here at all, because people who adopt children are marvelous, heart-filled, caring people. My daughter, Hannah Eloge, E-L-O-G-E. It looks like elog pronounced elo. Hannah has a company in Chicago, Illinois called Kindred and Company. K-I-N-D-R-E-D. And she helps adoptive parents. And she’s got an organization that’s awesome. By the way, if ever thinking of adopting, she is somebody to be in contact with. She can help you. But this is what I have to say this, because there’s people who are thinking of adopting, Britta, right now. And my advice to you is to adopt infants.
Dr. Leman: That’s number one, priority. Number two, adopt a child as young as possible. And the reason for that is right back to what I said about that wet cement and how it hardens and personality forms. So when you guys opened your heart and your home to this little five-year-old in all honesty, you probably didn’t know exactly what you were getting yourself into. That’d be my guess. Maybe you did, maybe you were well-informed and realize that when you reach out to love this little guy, he’s going to bite you. That is the best prediction that I can give you about a kid in this situation. You reach out to love him and he bites you. Why would that be? Because he doesn’t see himself as loving. So he creates situations in his life where people will not like him. Does that make sense? And then when you follow through in an inappropriate way and call him names or degrade him or anything else, he just tells himself, “See, I was right. They don’t really love me”.
Dr. Leman: So when we talk about the effort that you and your husband have to give toward this kid, I mean, we’re talking Herculean type of effort on your part because your flesh, your carnal self there’s part of you that will respond in a negative way is naturally is he will respond in his natural learned behavior ways, behavioral ways. You see what I’m saying? It’s really a tough … I told Doug just before I said, what’s our next question. He told me. And I said, “Wow, this is a tough one. This is extremely tough.” But it seems to me though, like I say, you came up with a golden answer right off the bat. You know he’s going to lie. You’re learning about his personality. He needs to lie. That’s a need he has, he lies. And then he starts feeling bad about it because of the environment. And this is what you have to hear in spades, that you created for him, because he’s beginning to feel loved and accepted. It’s just that it runs against his foundation.
Doug: How do you help somebody who says it’s against my foundation? My identity of myself, that I’m not a bad person, but I can be loved. How does Britta do that? How does she break that?
Dr. Leman: Well, she’s not going to completely break that. This is something this kid’s going to struggle with for a long time. Like I said, the best thing she can do behaviorally is she recognized it’s a lie. Okay. She realizes why he lies. And she says, very pragmatically, very matter of factly, “Honey, you want to tell me the truth about that?” It’s a choice. I think you’d tell a kid straight out, “Hey, you have my permission to lie. I understand it. It’s just not good for you. It’s not healthy for you. It’s not good for us. But if you want to continue lying, we can do that. But honey, I think you’re going to be a lot better off by telling the truth. So when you lie, just realize that mama bear knows you’re lying. And there’s always an open invitation for you to tell me the truth. Because if you tell me the truth, I’m always going to be warm. I’m always going to be receptive. I’m going to be understanding and together we’ll get through this.” So now you’re sort of forming a team. The team is against lying, but we understand the lying. We have the diagnosis, we know the problem. So I think Britta is really handling this very well, much better than most parents would.
Doug: So this is surprising to me that you are, you are actually saying the problem is that this kid doesn’t feel loved and you’re not using reality discipline for them. You’re actually saying, “No, the best thing we can do is get this kid to feel loved.” Is that what you’re saying?
Dr. Leman: Yeah. It’s inconsistent. That’s why a kid who was adopted at a later age will almost always strike out. There was a kid, I’ll never forget the kid as long as I live, she was 10 years old. Okay. Adopted at age 10 from China who came with cigarette burns on her forearms. Okay. I mean, she drove … This is a couple that was extremely, I’m going to say religious. Okay. Religious doesn’t mean in a Christian faith, a Christian but they were very religious. Let’s just let it go at that. They were your stereotypical go to Sunday services, go to midweek service, very devoted people to their faith. Well, that 10 year old was the key to them separating and then getting a divorce that 10 year old destroyed that marriage.
Dr. Leman: It created so much stress on everybody in the family. But do you understand what a child’s view of life could be if they grew up abused for the first 10 years of their life? I mean, let’s use this example. Here’s a kid that’s brought up in a, we’ll just call it Evil Land, and everything around them is evil and everything around them is destructive and they’re abused. And then you send them to the happiest place on earth and they get to live in Disneyland. They get to watch the Disney parade every day. They have unlimited first priority seating on any ride.
Dr. Leman: My question to you is, does the kid’s negative behavior that he learned in Evil Land change when he goes to Disneyland? No, it doesn’t. When someone’s nice to him, he’s going to think, “I wonder what they’re up to. This is a setup. What are they after?” He or she is not going to be able to grasp the reality of loving hands around them because they’ve never had loving hands around them. So to quote a book I did on early childhood memories years ago, the little boy or little girl you once were, guess what? You still are. You’re curious about somebody in just conversation over coffee, say to your girlfriend or whoever you’re having lunch with. “Hey, I’m just curious. What kind of a little kid were you?” “What do you mean?” “Well, like between the ages of five and 12, what words would you use to describe your personality?” Sit back and listen. Because whatever those words are, you’re hearing a description, a fairly accurate description of who they are as an adult.
Doug: So we got to take a turn here. I think in the lying section, I want to come back to the line, but for all of us that are listening to this, that grew up under those circumstances that were terrible. What hope do we have to change? Right? If we grew up in those abusive settings and whatnot, give me how do I not, how do I not reproduce it?
Andrea: Is there any hope?
Dr. Leman: If you really believe that God is who he said he is and you can have a relationship with your maker in a personal way where you learn to trust in God in all things, you have a chance of turning that around. Now there’s a caution there, there’s a footnote there. That carnal self will always be a part of your life. There’ll always be that tendency to go back to that earlier learned behavior. But if you want change for you, there it is. Now let’s say you’re married to one of these people. You married this woman, Doug. She is delightful. She’s this she’s that. But she came from H-E double hockey sticks. Her family was as bad as they come. Well, you’ve married that family, right?
Doug: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Dr. Leman: So you’re starry eyed. You’re in love. She had kisses sweeter than wine to name an old song. You’re in love. Well, I got news for you. You’re going to be tested because as you reach out to love that woman, she’s going to reject your love in many ways. It might be a failure of her to be intimate with you in the bedroom. She might do things that are counterproductive to a good, healthy person. She might, for example, gain excessive weight as a way of keeping people away from her. I mean, there’s all kinds of ways that people can go here, but I’m just telling you that when you marry someone that comes out of a really tough environment, you’re going to pay for that to a certain degree. How much you pay for it depends upon what kind of honest communication that you and your mate are able to do. I wrote that book, The Intimate Connection, any of you who have suffered through bad families, that’s a good book for you to read The Intimate Connection, puts a great challenge to all of us. So again, there’s a lot of appendages to this topic we’re talking about today.
Doug: Yeah. And it’s not usually lighthearted. This one’s pretty heavy and serious about the realities of looking at what we came from. Yeah.
Dr. Leman: Yeah. Well, I love the word indelible, Doug, indelible. And you’ve heard me say the indelible imprint, a parent puts on a kid. Well, I choose the word indelible because it doesn’t go away.
Doug: Wouldn’t you also agree though, that part of the reason we do these podcasts and these books is even though that indelible print is there, the more that you get, new ways of thinking and actually beginning to live those out, you begin to start to change that story a little bit about who you are as a little kid that you begin to say, “Oh wait, I loved. And I got love back. Okay. It’s a little safe. Oops. I got hurt. I got to go back.” But the more that you can get those positive things, you begin to step out or not? Or is that just me hopefully hoping.
Dr. Leman: Yeah. And I’d agree with you. And the reason I agree with you is because that self concept that you had from that terrible environment you grew up in was based not upon truth, but upon lies. So you’ve learned to be the person you are. So the question is, can you learn your way into a new behavior? In one of my books, I talked about thinking your way to behavioral change. And you can think your way to behavioral change. Is it easy? No, because your first inclination is to do what you’ve mastered in your early years and that is develop maladaptive behavior for yourself.
Doug: Wow. Well, this is a nice light topic today for all of you out there. So yeah, I have one more question about lying when we come back. The thing I want to make sure I get to is that again, our friends over at Baker Ravel have offered us a great ebook Under The Sheets for a $1.99, between now and the end of August of 2020. So Under The Sheets for $1.99, I know last time you talked about what’s in the book, but the question I had for you on this one was is this just for healthy relationships? Or is this for people who are in struggling relationships?
Dr. Leman: No, it’s for everybody really. I mean, most people are ill informed when it comes to sex. More people have sexual hang ups than any other type of hang-ups in my biased opinion. So this is a fun book to read. You can’t read a few pages without getting frisky. I mean, since it’s August, we’re talking about those hot nights, where you just have a sheet on, let me suggest it’s going to get hotter if you read this book, this book tells it like it is. You’ll like it. A buck 99, download it today.
Doug: Alrighty. So there you go. That’s who this book is for. So Dr. Leman, we should go back to lying, huh, Andrea, is that where we should go back to?
Andrea: I was just thinking, so what is Britta’s approach now? Is there anything she needs to do differently or is her asking? All right, can you tell me the truth? Do you want to tell me the truth? Is that doing that, or is there something more?
Dr. Leman: No, basically that’s what she needs to do, but I would suggest to her there’s times where he says something and she might just say, “Well, I’m disappointed to hear that, but you know what the rules are. I’m always willing and able to hear the real truth if you’re interested,” and walk away. So you opened the door, you said you’re disappointed. And you are. You’re just telling them the truth because that battle gets won not by mom. That battle gets won by a 10 year old beginning to realize that his life has been built upon lies and untruth. He was, he learned that he wasn’t worth anything in China. He was valueless. And now he’s come to a home where he’s loved and it’s foreign. It’s going to take a while. These aren’t things that you read Dr. Leman’s book and you got a new kid by Friday. That’s not the case with these kids. This is a long term investment. And hopefully that relationship will continue to get better. And if that relationship continues to get better every year, you need to be real happy.
Andrea: I thought that was interesting that you advised her to even say, “You have permission to lie, but I know you’re lying.” And it reminds me of your pocket phrase about taking your wind out of their sales or whatever, your sail out of their wind. Because now there’s no point, but he also realizes that she’s on his side.
Dr. Leman: Yeah. Removing your sails from a child’s wind. So you’re not going to get sucked into it. Okay. Parent, you know it’s a lie. I always tell parents, if you see a kid do something, you see him steal something, you see him hit his sister. You don’t go in there and act like you’re dumb. You said, you say, “I saw you steal that candy bar. I saw you hit your sister. We need to talk about that.” You don’t walk in there and say, “Did you hit your sister?” “No, I didn’t hit my sister.” Well, what did you just do? You set the kid up a lie. You saw him hit him. So I asked the question, did you?
Doug: And then to wrap things up, Dr. Leman, what hope can we give those who went down the path of from zero to five, the wet cement got set and they were in a traumatic, terrible upbringing situations. What would you say to someone like that to say, “Oh yeah, I do see how I’ve reproduced what I was from my childhood.” What would you give them as action steps and hope for them to be able to change.
Dr. Leman: Well, I think the best tip I could give that person is just to be mindful of self-talk, talk to yourself. The movie, one of my all time favorite movies, What About Bob, baby steps. The great bestselling book by the fictional Dr. Leo, Marvin Baby Steps. I laugh every time I say that. This isn’t funny. I shouldn’t be laughing, but to try to get people to see that they’re going to progress in not lightning-like manner, they’re going to progress three steps forward two back. They are going to be baby steps, but with a strong faith in God and supportive people around you, you can make it.
Dr. Leman: But for that person that’s struggling, this is the person that’s been hurt. You come to a situation. You’re asked a question. Your first response is what? To tell a lie. That’s the old self. Now there has to be a commitment and a goal that’s driven internally by you. You who’ve been hurt by life. Okay. Do I really want to just keep playing that game or do I want to do something brave? Do I want to do something different? So, okay. Here’s a situation I’m asked something and this time I say well to the person that’s asking the question, “Just give me a few. I just want to think about this for a minute.” If it does that find, do that, think it through and then come back and tell the truth.
Dr. Leman: And it becomes self-motivating behavior when you show yourself you’re capable of telling the truth. You’re capable of exhibiting adaptive, positive behavior, as opposed to negative behavior. It’s yours. It’s on you. It’s not magic dust that gets sprinkled over your head. It’s a tough decision.
Dr. Leman: For the woman who grew up, not feeling good about herself for a lot of different reasons, I wrote a book once called Smart Women Know When to Say No, and it encourages women to stand up and start telling the people that are in their life the truth about how they really feel, because some of them are what I call negative pleasers. So they go through life, just trying to please everybody else. And after a while, that gets really old. And so I talk in that book about developing no power where a woman says, “No, I don’t feel like doing that. I don’t want to do that.” And bit by bit, it builds a woman’s self-esteem to where she can start feeling healthy about who she is. But it always gets back to baby steps, little bit at a time. Huge gigantic 180 degree turnarounds are very, very rare when it comes to people who have learned to be one person. And then someone’s asking them to be a different type of personality.
Doug: Thank you, Dr. Leman, we well, and I would just say, I grew up in a great home. Sure we had our issues here and there. But when you talk about being able to connect to your creator, I would say the most transformative parts of my life is realizing that my creator loves me, has done more for me than I ever would have dreamed it did for me. So, and that’s a really cool thing.
Doug: For the rest, for Britta, thank you for your honest question about your 10 year old and our hearts ache with you. And we say kudos to you for adopting that beautiful kid and loving on him and giving him a chance. So thank you a ton. And thank you for your question. Those that are also hearing all this, I hope you hear Dr. Leman’s encouragement that you can change. It’s going to be slow, so don’t beat yourself up, but you can, you can do it. Get that group around you that will help and support you as well. So thank you for that. Again, if you want to get Under the Sheets, you can get it now between now and the end of August of 2020 for a buck 99. And as always, we love your questions. We love trying to help add to that parenting toolbox that you can love those kids more and more and more.
Andrea: Thanks Dr. Leman for tackling this question and have a good week, everyone.
Doug: Take care. Bye-bye.
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Doug: Johnny, I can’t believe that you had the audacity to walk through this house in muddy boots. Sally, I cannot believe that the dishes are not done again. How many times do I have to tell you put the dishes away? Well, are you responding? Are you reacting as a parent? What does that mean when Dr. Leman tells us, “Respond, don’t react.” That’s the question we get to ask Dr. Leman. Hi, I’m Doug Terpening.
Andrea: And I’m Andrea.
Doug: And we are so glad that you are here. And I’m so glad that you guys are responding by listening and downloading and passing this on to others. And I just want to let you know if this is your first time here, welcome. This is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If this subject matter raises any concerns for you or your child, please go seek a local professional for help. Well, Dr. Leman, Andrea has a terrible problem of reacting. She just is always blowing up around here. I mean, just the simplest little thing and she’s yelling-
Andrea: What are you talking about?
Doug: Throwing dishes. It’s really embarrassing. That’s why we buy the cheap dishes around here now.
Dr. Leman: It’s hard to sell that [inaudible] to people who listen to our podcast know that’s a lie. You’re a lying dog is what you are. You married Ms. Sweetness herself.
Doug: Yes.
Andrea: Well, I have to say that this is probably one of the most memorable teachings that Dr. Leman has given us over the years is the idea of responding and not reacting. Now, I can’t say that I always put it into practice when the moment arises, but this is really valuable, so I’m excited to go back over it with him.
Doug: I agree with you, because it’s probably given me more freedom in the moment, especially to be calm and all of that. So Dr. Leman, we’re getting new people listening to this podcast all the time and some people have listened, but this is one of the best ones.
Andrea: Gold.
Doug: Yeah. Help explain, what does respond, don’t react mean?
Dr. Leman: Well, let me start with saying, we all grew up in a reacting world. We all grew up for the most part in an environment that was steeped in authoritarianism, which basically, and I’m going to go back to the basics, it means I’m better than you are. When you sit in judgment of other people, you’re really putting yourself way above that person. You’re talking down to that person and that doesn’t work. It doesn’t work in business relationships, in educational environments, in any type of personal relationship you have with your friends. When you assume a higher position, you’re going to incur the wrath of the person who feels talked down to. So again, we’re all authoritarian. We’re all reactors. Now, over the course of time, a lot of us have come to an understanding that I’m not better than anybody else.
In a spiritual sense, the book of Romans, Roman something, I can’t remember what it is off hand, but it basically says that God loves us all. He doesn’t see us differently. In traditional society, we have seen people differently for centuries. In North America, white people were better than people of color. Adults were better than children. Protestants were better than Catholics. I mean, you could go on and on, men better than women. I mean, there was a hierarchy, an authoritarian hierarchy that spurned this kind of thinking that I’m better than you are, so I can sit in judgment, which got us to a point where we were all reacting. Well, we grew up as kids, your parents weren’t insightful and weren’t great responders. They were yellers. They were screamers. They were reminders.
They were great at putting people down. In fact, children were to be seen and not what? Heard. So we have a history and that history began to change probably back in the 60s would be my guess, where children began to view themselves as social equals to adults. So if you’re talking down to kids, I mean, everybody take your left hand and put it above your right hand by about a 14, 15 inch difference. Okay, there you are. In your left hand, you’re talking down to your child, okay? Here’s the problem. Now raise your right hand to be, even with your left hand, your kid is not listening at a lower level, is he? He or she is listening at the same level you are because they view themselves as social equals. In fact, legally in our society today, I would suggest to you that kids have more rights than parents do.
Parental rights have been chipped away for years. And I think that’s because we have grossly misinterpreted what authority is. Authority isn’t authoritarian. Authority is authority. It’s being in that midpoint between the permissive parent and the authoritarian parent. So that being said, we’ve tried to teach people here on our podcast to learn to respond to children rather than react to children. Because when we react, we react emotionally and our emotions … Can you trust your emotions? I don’t think so. Emotions are not a great key for living. You have to settle back and you have to look at things from behind that person’s eyes. We’ve tried to tell people to encourage people, use vitamin E. As Andrea so eloquently said, “There’s times when I blow it. There’s times when I don’t respond, because it’s an emotional situation.” You’re having company over and you ask the kids to do something and it’s not done.
And in frustration you say things that are reactionary, which does nobody any good. Now, if you can teach people to take a deep breath, sit back and learn to respond, then we take the air out of the balloon that’s about to break. The balloon becomes much more malleable. We don’t have a big scene and we can talk things through in a reasonable manner so that we get the job done before aunt Harriet and uncle Harry show up at the door. So I gave you that little historical thing because I think it’s important to understand that’s where we all came from. We all came from an authoritarian background where we just react. When I was in high school, it wasn’t unusual to see a gym teacher, a PE teacher, grab a guy by the scruff of the collar and throw him up against the locker, or during football practice, or basketball practice for a coach to physically grab a kid and yank them this way or yank them that way.
I remember one coach grabbed me by the ear and taken me from one side of the basketball court to the other. So I’m just saying that we’re still battling this because across North America, in particular, we are still pretty authoritarian based, but we still have tons of parents who have swung from the authoritarian based parent all the way over to the permissive parent. But the midway that being in authority is what allows us to think things through and to offer a response rather than a reaction to a kid. So a kid is really upset, comes in the door, slams the door. A very appropriate response is to do nothing. Another response is to say, “Honey, you seem upset.”
Now the authoritarian parent is, “Hey, what’s wrong with you?” I mean, there’s a tone. There’s a question. It just precipitates a boil over of some kind. So what we try to do in our podcast is to get people to think rationally, to calm down, to learn to remove your sails from your child’s wind in hopes of bringing peace and harmony to the North American family.
Doug: So Andrea, you said this is one of the best things that happened to you in parenting, one of the best concept from Dr. Leman. Why is this one of the best ones for you?
Andrea: I think it goes beyond just parenting too. I think it’s in our relationship, in relationships in general, but the idea of realizing that there is a difference between reacting and responding. And I go back to Dr. Leman’s illustration of, if you go to the doctor and he looks at you and you says, “Wow, it looks like you reacted to the medication.” That’s not what you want to hear. You want to hear, “Oh, your body responded to that medication really well.” And so for me, I think of, okay, a reaction is an outburst, a negative thing, where a response is, “Oh, I can think about this. I can think it through and I can give a well thought out answer in this situation.” And it sounds calmer to me.
Doug: Yeah. This helped me the most because I am a authoritarian reactive parent. And what it told me was I’m wrong when I react, even though I’ve been told that that’s how you’re supposed to parent. And it gave me the freedom to shut up and calm down and wait and respond at the right time. So yeah. Dr. Leman any comments about that?
Dr. Leman: Yeah. Just simple statements for some of you who are having a hard time wrapping your arms around what we’re talking about. Just a simple statement, like, “Wow, you could be right.” “Wow. I never thought of that.” “That’s an interesting way of looking at things.” “Really? My goodness.” “I’m going to have to check that out.” Those are all statements where you’re just responding. You’re not saying, “Where’d you get that from?” “If a bird had your brain, he’d fly sideways.” “What is wrong with you, really?” “Where do you think of such stupid things? “”Who told you that nonsense?” “That’s not true.”
All those things are reactions. So in other words, give your kids the freedom to say some things. They’re going to say some things that are just downright stupid, that are inaccurate. Well, are you going to go through life correcting them like an English teacher that loves her red pencil more than she should? Yeah, you can live that way. I’ll give you permission to live that way, but I can tell you, you’re going to be miserable and you’re not going to have a good relationship with your kid.
Doug: So let’s role play this for people out there. And Andrea, you can think of your own. I’ll start off. This might be a terrible one, but let’s do the negative way and the positive way. Alrighty? So I have a five-year-old, we’re at the dinner table and you’re mom, and you have spent four hours making grandma’s famous lasagna. You did the noodles the night before, you’ve done it all beautifully. You’ve put this in front of your kids and you’re so excited because you love this brings back all sorts of great memories. And as you sit down to eat, you take one bite and your five-year-old looks at you, picks up the plate and dumps it right on the carpet. Is that a good one to respond or react to?
Andrea: Sure. Are you asking me?
Doug: Well, I’m asking Dr. Leman and and you. So Dr. Leman, what is it negative? What does reacting look like in that situation?
Dr. Leman: Well, the reaction is, “Well, you idiot. What did you … I can’t believe you … Oh my good … That’s on my brand new rug.” I mean, all those things, all those are reactions. I always say, when the milk spills at the breakfast table or the dinner table, you don’t need to berating. You don’t need a lecture. You need a rag.
Doug: So what would a response look … Yeah. What would a response [crosstalk 00:13:55]?
Dr. Leman: A response would be, “Quick, I’ll get a rag. Honey, get the towels.” In other words, we’re going to be focused on the lasagna that’s on the carpet. Okay. We’re going to be just driven toward undoing the damage that was done. We’re not blaming. We’re not named calling. Of course the kid who’s by this time is sort of shellshocked. I don’t care how old he is, he knew he did something wrong. So you going to berate the kid? It was sort of a dramatic example of lasagna on the carpet. Appreciate that good example Doug.
Doug: Okay.
Andrea: So then would it be appropriate at some point to say to the kid, “I’m curious why you dumped the lasagna on the ground.”
Dr. Leman: You take time for training. So young kids need to learn that that was inappropriate. Now, I don’t want to confuse people here, but you have to understand you don’t put loving arms around a kid who just dumped lasagna in a quick and violent way on the floor, okay? That kid needs to understand that that was wrong. That was a bad decision. Okay. Giving that child a talking to after everything is picked up, I think is appropriate. Now, if the kid’s two-years-old or three-years-old, save your breath. You’re going to learn something as a parent here, don’t serve the kid lasagna. Okay. Number one, if you’re going to serve him, lasagna do so in an appropriate place, not at the dining room table with carpet, but maybe the kitchen table with a hard floor.
Andrea: What about a situation where you’ve got a teenager and it really is an honest mistake? So say I’m at the store with my kid and Oh dear, I forgot something in the car. Give him the keys, say, “Hey, can you run out to the car and get the thing?” And when they’re there, they lock the keys in the car. All right. They come in. In my mind. I’m like, okay, I have a right to be angry. Oh no. Now we’re stuck and dad’s at work and he can’t come and rescue us. I could blow up or I could respond.
Dr. Leman: Okay. Showing your natural frustration. “You did what? Oh no. Oh my goodness. Now what do we do? Oh, I’ll tell you what we have AAA. I’m going to call AAA right now. Okay, honey, do me a favor, would you? Take this ice cream and put it back in the ice cream section, take this frozen whatever and take it to the frozen veggie section.” So what I’m going to do in that situation, I’m going to very pragmatically get my 16 year old, who feels bad that he locked the keys in the car, okay, he didn’t intentionally do it. I mean, how many of you have locked keys in a car? Put your hand up. Okay. You’re forgiven. We’ve all done that. Okay.
But what I’m doing, then I’m taking the focus off the mistake the kid made and I’m giving him an opportunity to help right now because, “We had got a basket full of groceries here and AAA, even if they’re quick, it’s going to be a half an hour. So we’re not going to sit here with frozen goods. We’re going to put those back and yeah we’re going to be late for our appointment or our ball game or whatever, but you know what? We’ll deal with it. Honey, why don’t you call your coach and tell them you’re going to be late. I’m going to call the dentist and tell them I’m running behind and what happened.” It’s all very matter of fact, you’re describing a situation in life that threw us a curve ball. But the good news is we’re not resorting to name calling. We’re not saying, “How can you be so stupid?” and all that. So we’re just being efficient as a family. But I want people to really hear that what I did was I gave the kid an opportunity to be helpful at that point.
Andrea: You’re not berating them and blaming them. They already know, okay, that was stupid. I put the keys on the seat and then I shut the door
Dr. Leman: And the kid will berate themselves in all probability. I know. I mean, I’ve done that. I love just to use the term idiot, which I shouldn’t do, but I call myself an idiot lots of times.
Andrea: So what is that going to do for that kid in the long run i in their thinking, if you respond like that rather than react?
Dr. Leman: Well, we all make mistakes is the message. It’s not the end of the world. It’s a temporary little blip. It’s a setback, but not a huge setback. And I think what you’re conveying is I’m loved no matter what happens. What’s better than that.
Doug: So I feel like we’re choosing bad examples for this. So I’ll try another one, Dr. Leman. Your 16-year-old, you asked them to put the phone down when you come to the dinner table and they yell at you like you are just the dumbest parent in the world, like, “You’re on your phone all the time, Mom and dad.” And you just want to fire back at them like, “What the heck? I’m just asking you to put your stupid thing down so I can have a conversation with you at the dinner table.” How do you not do that?
Dr. Leman: So the kid is at the dinner table talking?
Doug: Yeah. you finally made a meal. You’ve all been going crazy and you are looking forward to finally connecting as a family. I’m there, my spouse is there, my two kids are there and my 16-year-old. They know the rule is not supposed to have a phone at the tables, but there they are. And I say, “Would you please put your phone down so we have a conversation?” And they yell at us like, “Mom, it doesn’t matter. It’s terrible anyways at the dinner table.” or whatever. Normally my reaction is like, “I bought that thinking thing for you, put it away.” How do I respond and not react in that moment?
Andrea: Yeah. I think my first inclination having you painted that picture for me would be to get out of my chair, walk over to my 15-year-old or 16-year-old and sort of escort them to the backyard, open the door, give a hand sign. I’m not saying a word. I haven’t said one word to this kid, a hand sign to go outside. I’d close that door. I’d go back and I’d eat my dinner. Okay. Now, sooner or later that kid’s going to come back. If he’s talking to his girlfriend, it could be a half an hour. Quite frankly, he doesn’t care if he eats or not. We say, well, let hunger be the teacher to the child. Well, it might be eventually. He’s going to eat some time. But right now there’s not a lot in it for him.
You’ve separated him so you can sit down and enjoy your meal, that’s step number one. Step number two on that, I would not be opposed that evening to take his phone and I’d put it in the trunk of my car or someplace and he would have no phone for a few days. And I would do that as a teachable moment to please honor our rules of not talking at the dinner table on your cell phone. “Dad, where’s my phone.” “Your phone is an isolation.” “What? What’s that about?” “Hey, last night you insisted on talking to the table. You know the rules. You violated it. I just need you to have a few days without your phone to appreciate the fact that that phone that you were talking on at our dinner table, which is shared by all of us, that’s a privilege that you have in this home. And your privileges of using that phone are suspended for three days, pending acceptable behavior on your part. And you not overreacting to this, you can count on getting your phone back by Friday morning when you take off for school.”
That’d be exactly the tone that I would use. It’d be matter of fact. It’d be factual. I would remind them of the rule. I wouldn’t be calling them names. But notice I took action at the time. I didn’t use words. One of the things I want to try to teach parents is use action, not words. Word usually gets us in big trouble. Just choose action. So I take them to the door. “You want to talk, go ahead and talk. We’re going to have dinner.” And then I followed up with discipline. And discipline is essential. If you love your child, you will discipline them. So I disciplined him by taking his phone that I pay for, it’s on my account, and I put it away for three days. He won’t be happy. My goal is not to make him happy. My goal was to create a responsible kid someday. That make sense?
Doug: Oh, totally makes sense. And I think that respond doesn’t react goes to the heart of reality discipline that you are letting reality be the discipline and not your words, which I cannot say has been a huge change in my life to let reality discipline our kids instead of us, huh Andrea? And the simple taking away of things is great. Okay. Andrea reminded me. I’m just yammering away because I love this concept and I’m going to miss what [inaudible] are offering you guys. And that is for just a few days now, until it goes away, actually six days, you get to get under the sheets between now and the end of August of 2020. Andrea, do you want to read an Amazon review?
Andrea: Yes. By K. “Great way to start the communication to help your marriage. This book opens up communication and helps both sides to start talking about the issues that need to help heal a marriage when it comes to the sex talk. It makes both sides talk about what they expect sexually in the marriage and helps give great suggestions to deepen your marriage by addressing major issues. It’s really helped us in opening up to our own needs and in how to fulfill those for each other. A MUST, yet for every marriage.”
Doug: So if you want help in your marriage and in the bedroom, Under the Sheets.
Dr. Leman: I just thought of something sort of funny. No matter what your age, think of the song that you grew up with musically. If you’re an old rock and roller like me, I grew up in their early rock and roll. I think of the song title, and then put after it, under the sheets.
Doug: Yeah. I’ll save you Dr. Leman. I’ll save you.
Dr. Leman: You’re going to save me from my own destructive nature?
Doug: Yeah, because I love you.
Dr. Leman: Okay. Thank you, Doug.
Doug: You bet. Under the Sheets emails at Kevin, no I’m kidding. Between now and the end of August of 2020. Alrighty Dr. Leman. So the last question I have is I just remember when we had little guys, zero to six or seven, man, there were some times when you’re tired, the house is a mess, you’ve asked them three or four times to put stuff away and you’re emotionally not at your peak. Maybe this is just my issue, but how do we not just below up in those moments? How are we able to stop that volcano that’s slowly growing?
Dr. Leman: Well, first of all, if you paid attention to our rules of parenting, number one rule is tell them once. Okay. Where we get frustrated is when we violate our own rule and we tell them several times. So by the fourth time we’re going bonkers. And then all of a sudden, I mean, we’re trying to suppress our anger. Things are not going our way. Like you say, it’s been a bad day at the office. Things are not well. Dinner wasn’t exactly great. And those will blow up. What or help preclude those situations from happening is learn to say it once, walk away, take action if you need to on the first one on a first round.
When you let things build, that’s when you increase the probability of a blow up and a reaction. Now again, are we all going to do a blow up once in a while? I’m here to tell you, you are. It’s the nature of mankind. We’re going to do that. When you do blow up, I think the big question is what do you do after you’ve blown up? I think you have to go back to your kids or your wife, your husband, and say, “Honey, I’m sorry. I shouldn’t have said what I said. That was inappropriate. Would you forgive me?” And life goes on that I think is the more important thing. You’re going to blow it from time to time. Parents, keep in mind, say at once. Don’t remind him. Reminders or disrespectful acts that we give to our children.
Doug: I really appreciate that because I have an older child who I’m actually really frustrated with right now because I’ve asked them to do something two or three times and I keep getting the same answer. And I guess it’s time for me to use reality discipline with them. The reason I’m saying that is I’m upset, but I’m the one reminding them. I’m the fool here. Not the fool. Maybe I am, but yeah. Reminders do not make life better. Do they Andrea?
Andrea: Nope. I guess not because I’m with you.
Doug: Thank you for that reminder.
Andrea: Reminders are disrespectful.
Doug: Oh yeah.
Dr. Leman: Just remember parents, were asking you to do a good job. We’re not asking you to do perfect job. Just be a good parent. God will bless you. And trust God and all things if you’re a person of faith and that’s the way you got to live your life.
Doug: Amen. Well, thank you Dr Leman for answering respond, don’t react. And for all of you out there, I want to remind you, if you haven’t read one of Dr. Leman’s foundational books, Making Children Mind Without Losing Yours, helps you tremendously with this concept as does, Have a New Kid by Friday.” Both those books will help you really understand this concept deeper. Can not recommend those two enough to you to get those, as actually me often says, “To get behind the eyeballs of your kids and for you to have the confidence to what to do.” And Under the Sheets is available between now and the end of August, of 2020. Well, thanks for being with us. We really do love being with you and any of your parenting toolbox. And we look forward to the next time we get to be with you.
Andrea: Have fun practicing responding this week.
Doug: Take care.
Andrea: Bye bye.
Doug: Bye bye.
]]>It’s time for another Ask Dr. Leman: “My 4-year-old is hitting Grandma!” Listen in for Dr. Leman’s advice on how to deal with your in-laws on this episode of Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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Doug: All righty. Can you imagine this? Grandma comes over, you put your little sweet four year old son to see grandma and he rears back and hits her. And he hits at school and he’s hitting his sister. What do you do? You’ve tried everything, but you won’t know how to get your four year old to stop hitting. That’s the question that Whitney asked that we get to ask Dr. Leman today.
Hi, I’m Doug Terpening.
Andrea: And [00:00:30] I’m Andrea.
Doug: And we are so glad that you are with us today. Welcome. If this happens to be your first time with us, want to let you know this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or your child, please go seek a local professional for help.
Well, it is a joy to be with you guys today. And I just want to remind everybody that we get Whitney’s audio question today and you can go to birthorderguy.com and put slash any number from 325 on down and [00:01:00] go to the bottom and you’ll see a little microphone right there. You can click and leave your audio question right there. birthorderguy.com/ just about any number under 300, and you can see some of our old episodes. Well, let’s jump in and hear Whitney’s question for Dr. Leman.
Whitney: Hi Dr. Leman. My name is Whitney and I am I’m from Arizona, from Prescott, Arizona and I have two kids. A daughter who’s almost seven and a son who’s turning four here at the end of the week. And my question is [00:01:30] regarding my four year old son. We are having quite a problem with him with negative behavior, particularly hitting. He’s hitting kids at school, he’s hitting kids at church, he’s hitting my daughter, he’s hitting his grandma and we’re just kind of at a loss on how to deal with it. Especially in the school setting. At home, I can evoke immediate consequences, but at school I can’t really do anything to deal with it in the moment, [00:02:00] apart from dealing with it when he gets home.
I’ve definitely read your books and I listen to your podcast so I’m aware of your methods and we’re trying our best to respond instead of react and deal with the hitting in the moment. But it doesn’t seem to be getting any better and I just wondered if you had any other suggestions, possible things that we could try to help [00:02:30] him understand that it’s not okay to strike other kids. Can’t wait to hear from you. Thanks.
Dr. Leman: Well, Whitney from Prescott, Arizona, if you’d never been to Prescott, Arizona people, it’s a wonderful little western town nestled up about an hour and a half above Phoenix, Arizona. High elevation, nice place to be from. Whitney, I’ll tell you if that were my four year old, I’d consider two things, [00:03:00] Amazon Prime or eBay. You could probably get a good price for him. I don’t know. That kind of kid, four year old. Can you imagine he’s hitting everything in sight? At Sunday school, school, grandma, anybody in sight. Okay. Lehman, what do you do with this kid?
Well, is hitting an inborn trait? [00:03:30] No, it’s not. It’s learned behavior. The question becomes, he’s just turning four at the end of this week, when did he start hitting? Was he hitting at 13 months when he was just beginning to walk? I’ve seen kids 13 months, 16 months, 18 months, hit their parents and the parent thinking it was sort of cute. [00:04:00] And again, this is a learned behavior. The first thing I would do, if I’m a parent, I’d do a little thinking and say, “Now, wait a minute. How long has this really been going on? And what were any of the circumstances that could have taught him to hit other people?” It’s very unusual for a four year old. This is an unusual question in many ways.
There are kids who strike out at other people, but it’s usually in anger [00:04:30] when they don’t get their way. But the striking of other people on a continuing basis is odd. And doesn’t happen that often. With that in mind, just got to sort of trace back to see if you can put that puzzle together in your mind so at least you have some understanding that, wait a minute, this was learned behavior. He’s learned it somehow. And kids learn through trial and error.
[00:05:00] You don’t have to teach a kid to say that, “No, I didn’t take the cookie from the cookie jar.” That’s the carnal self that’s in all of us, but this kind of behavior, like I say is unusual. In the moment, let’s start with that. In the moment he strikes grandma, who’s over to the house or your husband. Now, my guess is you’re doing this, [00:05:30] but we can probably talk about how to do it best. You pick him up, physically pick him up. You put him in his room. You have a lock on that door. One of those little slider locks you can put on the outside of the door to make sure he stays in there. Now, again, as I said, many times you could hold the door, but that gets old for you. Might as well make [00:06:00] it convenient for yourself.
Just isolate him, put them in that room. And you do not let him out of that room until he quiets down. And I’m saying quiet down, because chances are with this kid, when you pick him up and put them in the room, he’s going to display some kind of a power tantrum and you’ll wait until he’s completely quiet. And until he initiates something. In other words, he initiates, ” [00:06:30] Mommy, Daddy, I’m sorry.” Or something along that line. Then he comes out. You can imagine a powerful kid. He could be in there for well over an hour. That’s what you do in the here and now. Without words. You don’t have to repeat, “It’s not nice to hit people. Mommy doesn’t like that,” at this point, because this guy is [00:07:00] he’s Rocky Marciano in miniature. He’s hit and everything in sight. Anyway, that’s in the here and now.
Now when you talk about school, Sunday school, you have to give people permission on that end to do what they need to do. And that would be some kind of social [00:07:30] isolation. If that means that he has to be in a thinking chair in the classroom, far removed from the other kids, so be it. If it means he has to go to an office down where the administrators hang out at school, so be it. But he doesn’t get to be in the group per se. Again, it’s really important that you understand that there’s nothing you can [00:08:00] do, that you can physically do yourself when he’s in school.
When he’s in church, they can bring that child to you. Now that’s an embarrassment. I’ll give you that. But in a church setting, I don’t think you’re going to find that place to put him other than with a parent. Which means then one of the parents [00:08:30] has to obviously be with four year old, whether that’s in a car, maybe you’re out there for 45 minutes waiting for church services to close so your husband can join you. That’s a huge inconvenience. What I don’t like about that is he sort of gets paid off so to speak for his antisocial behavior, by having mommy or daddy auto himself in a car.
Anyway, those are [00:09:00] openers. This is the kind of a question that I would hate to take on national TV.
Doug: Why is that?
Dr. Leman: Because it’s like biting. What do you do with a biter? Those are the tough questions because they’re so difficult to deal with for so many different reasons. And it all gets back to isolation. When you go on national TV and you say, “Listen, pick up this [00:09:30] kid and put them in a room and lock the door.” Hello. Here’s 1.2 million emails coming your way because parents today, again, I’ve said it to so many times, they’re just clueless. They think that this is going to damage the kid’s psyche for life and they’ll read everything into that. The point is you cannot continue. This kid cannot continue to just bite people or hit people. Because if he does, before long, somebody’s going to clean his clock.
Doug: Right. You came out [00:10:00] saying that he learned this behavior from somewhere. Are you implying that he saw someone hit somebody? He saw it on television? What does that mean?
Dr. Leman: Well, that’s a good point, Doug. Sometimes as parents, we let kids see things that are inappropriate. Somebody did a study once. This goes way back that the average cartoon that kids saw had a 109 acts [00:10:30] of violence in it. If you can believe that. And that goes back, the study that was probably 30 years old. Violence on screen. And again, kids should not have screen time. Kids, young kids have way too much screen time today. It’s not good for kids. But he has learned. Maybe he just struck out like kids will do. It’s not uncommon for a little kid to strike out and hit somebody. But it was reinforced [00:11:00] in such a way that somehow the kid said, “Oh, I get it. I get it. This is a game we can play real good.” And it grows into a habit and he gets great response from it. He gets attention from it. It’s not positive attention, just negative attention, but nevertheless it’s attention.
That’s why I say, it’s the kind of question you wouldn’t want to answer on Oprah Winfrey. There’s no real clear cut bing, bing, bing, here’s what you [00:11:30] do. But the one thing I can guarantee you is the sooner you isolate the kid without words and you do it consistently, you ought to see a change in behavior because this kid is a social animal. He wants to be around other people.
Doug: The reason this question caught my eye is this is not the first time we’ve heard about a kid hitting somebody. But hitting grandma seems extreme to me. [00:12:00] Hitting sister, okay. Hitting schoolmates, fine. But really? Unless grandma’s horrible, but usually grandma’s, is that uber unusual? Or is it nah, hitting grandma’s just like hitting sister and everybody else. It’s just to get attention.
Dr. Leman: No, no. It’s unusual because he hits every place. He hits in Sunday school. He hits in school. He hits at home. He hits grandma. That’s why I said at the very beginning, it’s a very unusual question. I’m not suggesting [00:12:30] that this kid needs to be evaluated by some shrink. You didn’t hear that. You didn’t hear me say, “Take him to the local hospital, to the psych unit and find out if there’s someone there who specializes in pediatric psychiatry and somebody evaluate the kid.” I don’t think that’s what we’re talking about based upon her question. And by the way, I want to say, I think Whitney, she sounds like she’s a great parent. She doesn’t sound like she’s flaky [00:13:00] or weird, or she sounds like she’s on top of her game. She’s trying to be responsible parent. She mentioned in her questions, she’s trying to respond and not react.
The only thing I would tell you there, Whitney, is just be sure that your response isn’t so soft that it gets misread by little Rocky Marciano. I’m not trying to make light of a tough situation, but it sounds to me like mama bear [00:13:30] is doing the best. Now, we haven’t heard about dad. I’m trusting that you’re both on the same page, but again, the permission thing don’t overlook what I said about permission. The school has to know that you give their permission to act with him swiftly and in a plan that you and your husband and are in accord with.
Doug: Yeah, well, let’s do this now because I have another question to ask about this. Before [00:14:00] I forget, our friends at Bigger Books are offering you a brand new ebook, which is a great one called, Under the Sheets, for a buck 99 between now and the end of August of 2020. Under the Sheets and Andrea, do you have a review?
Andrea: I do, by Adrian. I highly recommend this book for any couple that is looking to improve their intimacy. My husband and I have been married 10 years. After having three kids I just don’t view sex the same way I did before [00:14:30] kids. This book has completely changed my thinking. Dr. Lehman shifts the focus from how to be a good lover to how to communicate so everybody’s needs are met. It’s very funny and upfront. I look forward to having my husband read it as well. He also tuned me into understanding what my husband is thinking. I can’t say enough good about this book.
Doug: If you are in a marriage or in a relationship and you’re thinking, man, I want to prove our intimacy, Under the Sheets [00:15:00] is a great book for it. Get it now. Between now and the end of August of 2020, wherever eBooks are sold.
Dr. Leman: That book. I’m going to say this as plainly as I can. If you have any voyeuristic tendencies and you want to look into real life drama of people’s sex lives, this is the book for you. It is, [00:15:30] I wouldn’t say it’s in your face because that’s not my style, but it’s very blunt. You’re going to hear the real words of real people and how they feel about sex. You’re going to hear from people who are disgusted with sex, people who think sex is filthy dirty. You’re going to hear stories of women who are the aggressors, who love [00:16:00] sex. You’re going to hear of men who are very timid and avoid sex. You’re going to hear stories of victory and you’re going to hear stories where the best thing we can say is to be continued.
But if you’re interested in this area and you need some help, for a $1.99, the entertainment value in this book is very high. It’s very good. Try to make you laugh [00:16:30] as we tackle the tough subject to sex. I don’t know a better endorsement that I can give for you to read Under the Sheets. You will like Under the Sheets, trust me.
Doug: There you go. Get it now until the end of August of 2020, wherever eBooks are sold. And now a no nonsense parenting moment with Dr. Kevin Leman,
Dr. Leman: Who doesn’t want to be a winner? Well, let me guarantee you a way [00:17:00] of being a winner. Be the first born in your family. I wrote a book called Born to Win and if you look at any empirical data, you will see that firstborns rule. Higher IQs, they’re the movers and shakers in life. They’re most likely to be the physician, the attorney, the accountant, the architect, the engineer. Okay, you win. This is a book for you. If you want to feel good about yourself, pick up a copy of Born to Win and forget the rest of us. [00:17:30] Seriously, Born to Win is a great little book for any firstborn and it points out the fact that yes, you have so many things going for you, but there’s a theme throughout that book that says too much perfection will nail you. It will stop you in your tracks. It’s an easy read. It’s offered to you at ridiculously low price to download it. Why wouldn’t you do that today?
Doug: [00:18:00] Dr. Leman, your advice to Whitney is isolation to help him get this. The question I have is, this kid is getting tons. I would imagine this kid is getting tons of attention over this and that’s what the payoff is for him. Should Whitney be thinking, I should be paying off this kind of attention instead to try and redirect him? Or just totally focus on isolation?
Dr. Leman: Well, I think isolation is your key. But I think [00:18:30] vitamin E is always good for kids. And so a statement where you had a great day, for example. And let’s say Rocky VIII hasn’t taken a swipe at anybody and you’re tucking him in, that’s where you slip him the commercial announcement. You don’t overdo it, but it’s sort of like, “I was thinking about something. You didn’t hit anybody today. [00:19:00] Honey, that’s got to make you feel good inside.” Just a simple thing like that. Again, don’t overdo the vitamin E. Vitamin E is a glib statement that just says it like it is. It’s putting water on the delicate plant. And those words you choose are really important. That being said, you always add vitamin E, but I think [00:19:30] isolation is your best bet and that has to happen immediately. There’s no excuses. There’s no, “Mommy, I didn’t mean that.” Don’t ever fall for that. You deal with the behavior.
Doug: You briefly touched on something that we’ve heard from parents too though, is that if I isolate my kid, if I keep the door closed, which sounds like, oh my gosh, my kid’s going to [00:20:00] grow up to hate me or be more violent because of this. Why would this not create A, them not loving me and B, them being more violent by doing the isolation?
Dr. Leman: Well no. Parents don’t look for ways of bringing guilt into your life. Guilt again is the propellant for the lousy decisions you’ll make as a parent. You’re doing the right thing. You’re holding him accountable for his actions. What could [00:20:30] be healthier than that? Tell yourself, talk to yourself, hey, I’m doing this for him. I’m doing this for his future. If he just continues to be the tyrant he’s becoming at age four, you don’t need a PhD to figure out by age 14 wow, nobody’s going to want to be near this kid. And again, if he’s like that at 14, somebody 16 or 18 is going to clean his clock big time. That kid’s going to get hurt.
Doug: [00:21:00] It’s an interesting phrase you make that we’re going to hold a four year old accountable for their actions. That is a great phrase. At an inappropriate level, that is fabulous gold. Well, Whitney, a great question. You’re not alone in this hitting incident. I just want to let you know, you are not the only one that is dealing with this. This is one of the more common questions so I appreciate you a lot for asking this question. And a reminder to everybody out there, if you want to leave your audio question, go to birthorderguy. [00:21:30] com/ just about any number and you can leave it right there. And we would love to answer it.
And again, Under the Sheets, if you want to revive and understand each other, now you can get it between now and the end of August of 2020 for only a buck 99. Well, it was great to be with you guys. We look forward to the next time that we get to hang out with you and add to that parenting toolbox so you can love those kiddos more and more and more.
Andrea: Have a great week.
Doug: Take care. Bye bye.
]]>If your kid is cutting, it’s because they are hurting. Learn how you can take action to help your kid on this episode of Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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Doug: Cutting, I wish I could be joking about it but it seems to be a serious thing that sometimes is becoming more prevalent in our lives. What do I do if I find out that my kid is cutting? And how do I react? How do I respond? What does it all mean? That’s the question we get to ask Dr. Leman and hear his answer from him.
Hi, I’m Doug Terpening.
Andrea: And I’m Andrea.
Doug: We are really, really glad that you are investing in your kids and that you are just saying, “I want to be a better parent.” Kudos to you. And we want to let you know that if this is your first time, this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or your child, please go seek a local professional for help.
Well, Dr. Leman, this question comes via a pretty good friend of ours who said, “Hey, cutting has become a reality far too close to our home. What do we do about it?” And we didn’t know what to say, so help us. Why does it happen? What should we do about it? Can you enlighten us?
Dr. Leman: Okay. Before we do that, and this is a good topic, it’s a tough topic, I want to start on a little lighter note. How many years you guys been married?
Andrea: 22.
Dr. Leman: Okay, Doug, with that in mind, I want to know what is Andrea’s shoe size?
Doug: Oh, crud. I think she’s a six in a women’s. No, a seven. An eight.
Andrea: Do you think I have big feet? Are you saying I have big feet?
Doug: A five.
Andrea: I wear seven and a half.
Dr. Leman: Give up and give me one answer.
Doug: And like a seven’s not close enough. I got to go seven and a half.
Andrea: Well, you went to eight.
Dr. Leman: Well, you sort of went… You covered the waterfront is what you did. I’m going to pin you down on this one. What’s is Andrea’s favorite veggie?
Andrea: You got me thinking.
Doug: I’m going to guess that her favorite veggie might be… Oh, this is super easy. It’s the one you dip in butter and you put through our teeth. Oh, what’s that one that I hate so much? Not eggplant. Artichoke hearts.
Andrea: Artichokes.
Doug: Artichokes, yeah, artichokes.
Andrea: You put through your teeth.
Dr. Leman: How he’d do on it? Did he do good on that one?
Andrea: He was very creative. Yes, because I was thinking carrots, broccoli. What’s my favorite? I love vegetables, but yeah, that was good. That was good.
Dr. Leman: Is there a favorite meat that she likes?
Doug: Maybe bacon, believe it or not. Or, I would say pork chops.
Dr. Leman: Okay. How’d he do?
Andrea: Well, honestly, I have a soft spot for hamburgers.
Doug: True. I did know that.
Andrea: Yeah, you should have just said it. It’s not really a meat. I mean, but it is the way the meat is prepared, so yeah, beef.
Doug: Ground beef.
Dr. Leman: Okay. All right. Well, let’s flip things around. What’s Doug’s shoe size?
Andrea: Doug is a nine, possible a wide.
Doug: Yeah. Correct.
Dr. Leman: Okay. You got that right. All right. What’s his favorite veggie?
Andrea: Well, he says he likes cauliflower now, if it’s steamed well. I’m going to go with broccoli dipped in hummus.
Dr. Leman: Hummus. How’d you do?
Doug: Perfect. Except for the cauliflower. That was a stab at me, but that’s all right.
Dr. Leman: All right. How about his favorite meat?
Andrea: Steak, a good tender steak.
Doug: Yep.
Dr. Leman: How does he like his steak done?
Andrea: Rare.
Dr. Leman: He likes it fighting back?
Andrea: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Dr. Leman: One of my favorite lines from the old Buddy Gibson… Not Buddy Gibson, Buddy Epsen, Beverly Hillbillies, was granny asked somebody how they liked their possum, hanging at the bone or fighting back?
Andrea: That’s disgusting.
Dr. Leman: But anyway, I’ll admit one thing to you and then we’ll get to the serious topic of cutting. We were on one of our cruises where I speak on a cruise and bring lots of people. And by the way, if you have access to a group of people, lots of people, 30 people or over, we can always put together a cruise where I’ll come and speak on the cruise and all that. But we’ll talk about that another day. But those kinds of things are possible.
But my wife and I were doing The Newlywed Game on the cruise, and we scored zero points. Zero. We didn’t get one right. Now, we’ve done this several times where we did pretty good. But I remember that one cruise ship, we got zero points on The Newlywed Game. And we claim to know each other pretty good. So you guys pass the test with flying colors.
Now, we’re going to move on to the wonderful topic of children who are cutting. This has grown to be a huge problem in our country and others, where kids self-mutilate themselves. And some people might not be aware of this, but kids will cut, they’ll literally cut and make themselves bleed, especially on parts of their body where they can cover that up. So if you have a kid that you live in a warm climate, for example, and you got a kid who all of a sudden no longer wears short-sleeve shirts. All of a sudden it’s always long sleeve, and maybe the color that that kid used to wear is no longer obvious. Now, it’s dark color, black color, or friends have disappeared, grades have dropped. I’m mentioning these other things because many times they go hand in hand with a kid who’s feeling sullen and withdrawn and is cutting.
It’s something that parents just have to be aware of. If your kid is cutting, I mean, we can end the podcast in one minute by saying, “This is something serious.” You rarely hear me say, “You need to go and find someone who’s really good with kids, who understands the psychological dynamics of cutting, whether it be a psychologist, a trained counselor, a psychiatrist,” if you can find a good one, they’re worth their weight in gold, “to help your kid see what the motivation for cutting is.”
Many of you will be surprised to learn that the number one reason why kids will cut is that they feel it’s the only area that they have some control over in their life. So if you’re a highly structured parent, you know exactly how life ought to be, you’re opinionated, you just know how other people should behave, especially your children, you’re probably creating a situation where a kid might very well reach into the area of cutting. But it’s a symptom of a lot of unresolved issues of anger and control in your son or daughter’s life, and they should be seeing someone. So there, you don’t hear that from me very often.
But the key thing I want parents to hear me say is this is a direct result of them feeling like you’re micromanaging their life. You’re not giving them freedom of choice. You’re one of those parents who say, “This is how it is.” And many times just because of your personality, you’re that type A, firstborn, controlling person, you don’t see yourself very accurately. You don’t see yourself as controlling, but yet you are. So a question to ask, any kid who is cutting is, do you feel like life is laid out for you? I think you’ll be surprised to find out that most kids who are cutting say exactly that.
It’s a tough one, it’s a tough subject to talk about. It can deteriorate emotionally. Many times you’ll see the psychological diseases that come our way, the psychopathology that develops into mental illness is going to spring up in the late teens and early twenties. So lots of times these symptoms manifest themselves when kids are in high school.
I don’t know what you think of that, Dr. Doug and Dr. Andrea, but that’s a take on cutting to share with your friends.
Doug: Wow. So if I heard you right, I just want to repeat it that I heard it right. If I find my kid is cutting, I should go get professional help right away. That’s what you’re saying.
Dr. Leman: Right. Yeah. And you can be a part of that. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a professional say, “Well, I’ll be glad to see your 17-year-old, but I want to schedule an appointment with you and your bride as well.
Doug: How likely is that kid to want to go to counseling do you think?
Dr. Leman: Not very.
Doug: Really?
Dr. Leman: How anxious is any man that wants to go to counseling?
Doug: So how do I help get my kid there or not?
Dr. Leman: You make the appointment, you take him. This is serious. This is life-threatening behavior. There’s no choice here.
Andrea: So when you say it’s life-threatening, is this like a sign of deep depression and their next step is suicidal?
Dr. Leman: Bingo. I mean, every negative you can think of Andrea, anything negative you can think of comes right out of the cutting-like behavior because it’s an act against their own body. It’s saying, “I’m not worth it. I’m giving up. I’m dropping out.” Anyway, you go, it’s negative. And that’s why you’ll rarely hear me say, “Hey, this is something you need to get somebody else involved in, real quickly.” And the smart physician or psychologist will get you involved in that therapy.
We’re getting into some basics about forgiveness, and didn’t realize that we weren’t giving you the kind of choices that we should be giving a youngster growing up in our home, and there’s got to be a real melting of the hearts and an asking for forgiveness and extending of grace to people. And hopefully, that kid’s not that far dug in that he or she’s going to be able to make the turnaround.
For example, what about anorexic kids? Those of you who are old enough to remember The Carpenters. Karen Carpenter died of anorexia. Well, one of the things you’ll almost always see with anorexia or bulimia is perfection, and perfection is what? Slow suicide. There’s certain disorders that we see in young people that just need immediate attention, and should never be taken lightly. Cutting, anorexia, bulimia are things that I see in sort of one big, huge self-destructive behaviors, and you have to get some outside professional help.
Ask around, talk to your physician, find out who’s good in town. I get asked that all the time, and quite frankly, I shouldn’t say this publicly, but I will. I refer to one person in Tucson who I have tremendous confidence in, and she’s not a doctor. She’s a counselor, for lack of a better term. But she is so good with families. She is so good with kids. And so find someone out there who’s practical, who’s on-hands, who has a heart for your family, and can help you walk through these dark days, because those are dark days for your family.
Doug: When we come back, I want to find out when we say the parent is the one creating this, wow, I think a lot of parents also just stood up and listened and said, “Okay, am I that parent?” So I want to ask that question when we come back. But this is super apropos now, to the book that is available from our friends at Revell, which is When Your Kid is Hurting. For $1.99, between now and the end of July of 2020, you can get it for $2.
Andrea: That’s only two more days.
Doug: Yeah. So you got to get it soon. When Your Kid is Hurting, for a buck-99. So Dr. Leman, how would that book help somebody if they stumble on this situation with their kids?
Dr. Leman: Well, this is the book for our topic today. I mean, these are the kinds of things. When Your Kid is Hurting, this is the book of all the Leman books to read if you’re in that kind of a situation. And again, I’ve said before, for most of us, you don’t have to run out and get that book today, but you’ll be so smart to take advantage of it, download it, keep it in your library, so when those tough days come your way, and they’re coming, whether it’s breakup with a boyfriend, end engagement, I mean, you name it, your kid can find themselves in all kinds of hurtful situations. You will profit quickly from reading this book. This is one, like I say, it’s not a regular read for everybody, but the day is coming, so you might as well get it now. It’s a buck 99, is that what you said?
Doug: Correct. A buck 99.
Dr. Leman: Yeah. Perfect. Download that puppy. You’ll need it. It’s a good book.
Doug: Good.
Dr. Leman: People who’ve read it, love it.
Doug: So get it now, between now and the end of July of 2020, on ebook. All right, Dr. Leman, so if I’m a thoughtful parent and I’m like, “Oh, I need to change,” what is the parent doing to create this? Is that the right question I’m asking, Andrea? I’m asking, I want to know if I’m doing these things to my kids, that’s going to lead to this?
Dr. Leman: You know who you are. Okay? Everything’s got to be just so. We look at your home, for example, what is your home look like? Is it neat as a pin? I remember going into a guy’s house once, and it was just so strikingly perfect. I said, “Well, don’t you have a junk room in this house or something?” He says, “Oh, yes, yes.” He took me to a closet, and I’m not kidding you, there was a little chest in the bottom of it that must have been, I’d say 14 to 16 inches deep and probably 18 inches tall. And he opened it up and he had a few things in there. That was his definition of a junk room. Everything’s in place. Everything’s perfect. You know those kinds of people.
Let me ask you something, as an adult, do you feel comfortable in those homes? You use a Kleenex and you throw it in a wastebasket and you notice that the mom, the wife, walks over and takes it to the main garbage container and puts it away. There’s a place for everything. It’s like everything is sanitized, everything is perfect. And the kids get the message that they’re like the laboratory rat, and this is the maze you go down. And when you’re in seventh grade, you’ll take this maze to the left, when you’re in high school, this one to the right. And of course, you’ll go to college and this kind of college. I mean, life’s mapped out for them.
Those people who have all their little ducks in a row, who functioned on making sure everything in life is perfect, you’ve imprinted your children with a message that you only count in life when you measure up. My question is, what happens when you don’t measure up? What happens when the C’s come home on the report card and not the straight A’s? What kind of reaction is there from the parents? Not a response, a reaction. I guarantee it’ll always be a reaction. It’s the end of the world, you got C’s. Or the end of the world, you got one C, or you got a C plus or a B. So if you paint a picture of perfection in life, you’re setting your kids up for failure.
Andrea: So what if the house isn’t a perfect showpiece, but you paint perfection in other ways, whether it’s grades? And then I have another element to this question.
Dr. Leman: Well, let’s just stop at that question because this shows everyone the genius of Andrea. Because here I painted perfection, perfection, perfection. She says, “Hey, Dr. Leman, what about this person whose house is rather slovenly? Well, one of the things that I’ve written about, I’ve written a lot about perfection. And the worst kind of perfection, quite frankly, can be found in that home where there’s piles. But I’ve often said, ask someone who’s got a house full of piles and asked them to find something, they know exactly which pile to look in. That makes them the critical-eyed parent. Who’s the flaw picker?
It’s not just the first picture that we’ve painted of perfection in the home. It’s that little rudder, the tongue is always quick to point out what could be different. And so, again, the same message comes across to the kids that you didn’t measure up. And it’s very discouraging. So instead of getting vitamin E, which is encouragement, they’re getting vitamin D, which is discouragement, on a continuing basis, where the kid will give up, they’ll stop trying. And the anger that they have toward their parent, now we’re getting a little clinical here, is pointed in toward themselves. And they go off into self-destructive behavior, whether it’s drugs or cutting, or you name it. Do you see what I’m saying? So I’m so glad you asked that question. That is a great followup question to what we just talked about.
Doug: Well, ending right here, just thinking through our own upbringing. And I just wonder how many of those parents came from really crummy backgrounds themselves, and didn’t know how to deal with it and just pass it on to their kids. It’s probably the situation that we’re doing, huh?
Dr. Leman: Oh yeah, it’s generational. I’ve told the story, but I came home 19-years-old as a janitor and announced at the dinner table, “I’m engaged.” I can’t even say it without laughing now. “I’m engaged to be married.” I’m making $195 a month, not a week, a month, full-time. I’m a janitor in a hospital and I’m going to get married. What does my mother say? “Oh, that’s nice, honey. Pass the green beans.” I mean, she did what I’ve verbalized for millions of parents. Kid has a power tantrum, step over the child, walk away. She just gave it a ho-hum. She gave it a, “Wow. Interesting, you idiot.” I’m so glad she didn’t go into some spiel about, “What do you mean you’re engaged. You couldn’t be engaged. You don’t make two nickles. You’re not old enough. You’re not mature.” None of that. She stepped over it.
It didn’t take me long to figure out, this is the dumbest thing I’ve ever done. I went and got my $20 back on the down payment for the diamond ring at Montgomery Wards. You can only imagine what a great ring that was.
Andrea: What about the family where they find the child is cutting, and this family has just gone through a divorce, dad has been unfaithful to mom? There’s obviously turmoil going on in the home. I mean, maybe there was perfectionism before that, but…
Dr. Leman: Yeah, so it’s not perfectionism, the enemy here. It’s the poison that you poured into the child’s soul. Well, what poison is that, Leman? How about the divorce? This is not late-breaking news, but more the nuclear destruction, teenagers fear that their parents will get a divorce. It’s a kick in the emotional gut that lasts a lifetime. I’ve had kids look me in the eyes and say, “Oh no, I’m glad my parents got a divorce.” Well, okay, “I’ll take that for what it’s worth, but I’ll guarantee you in a period of a few years, you’ll figure out that you’re not so happy that they got a divorce, and that you’re probably paying for it right now in your life.”
Situational things that are happening in a kid’s life can be so burdensome that they turn that anger inward. That’s why kids kill themselves. I mean, I recently was aware of a situation where mom, who’s a great mom, really a great mom from everybody’s appraisal, understanding, grace-filled, not a control freak, but her kid hung himself. And on top of that, he wrote a very nasty, angry suicide letter. Where’s that come from? It comes from a buildup of anger, maybe at himself, maybe through ridicule of classmates in school, or self-perception that were just so inaccurate. But those things happen. Suicide happens.
There’s things in life that parents, no matter how good a parent you are, and again, we’re trying to help parents become better parents, but I’m just saying you have to understand there are circumstances in life, where people just do something out of self-will. If you’re a person of faith, God gave us free will to do what we want to do. A lot of people engage in self-destructive behavior every day of their life. Some of them don’t exercise that in the forms of taking their own life or something, but nevertheless, self-destructive behavior has been with us for a long time.
We’re just trying to help families create creative ways of sharing our imperfection with each other, growing together, learning from our mistakes, moving toward a common goal and providing kids with a happy childhood, which in all probability, will lead to a very happy adulthood. So is life perfect? No. Do we have all the answers for everything? No, we don’t. So you do the best you can every day.
Andrea: If there was one word of encouragement. We can give parents here at the end of this heavy podcast, what would you say Dr. Leman?
Dr. Leman: I would say, I would not be reticent to share your imperfect self with those you love, because the reality is that we’re all imperfect. We all fall short, every day of our life. And when you understand how imperfect you are, then and only then, in my biased opinion, are you able to live the life that your maker would have you live; to think better of other people than yourself, to be a servant leader any way you can, to bless other people, to encourage other people, and to treat people the way you’d like to be treated. That’s a pretty good mantra for life, isn’t it?
Doug: I don’t know how many times I’ve heard you say that. That’s so helpful. Recently, I’ve been trying to start my time in the morning with God and saying, “Lord have mercy on this sinner, your beloved son.” And it felt weird at first, but now it’s like, wow, you know what? It really is great to admit my imperfections and know I’m still loved. It’s powerful. You’re right, to not try and be perfect to get love, but be imperfect and still be loved is amazing. Wow. And I took it back serious. Andrew, you’re trying to get us all light.
That was great, Dr. Leman. I want to encourage all of you parents out there, that if you are wondering if you are this, I would encourage you to go get the book, Have a New You By Friday, so that you can start changing yourself and watch your whole family change. I’m just telling you, the secret to this parenting is you change, and your whole family changes. That’s a phenomenal book. Also, get any of them, Making Children Mind Without Losing Yours, to give yourself some perspective of some of the things you’re doing that you don’t want to do, so that you don’t end up here. Can’t encourage it enough. Please, for your sake, go and do this.
Well, this one was super, super heavy. But I appreciate you being honest with us, Dr. Leman. Thank you.
Andrea: Yeah, I hope this helps somebody out there.
Doug: As a reminder, take this serious. And also, this is why we’re doing this podcast, so that you don’t get here, Lord willing, and that you are investing in this. Get the books, read them for yourself, gain the skills you need, so that you can love those kids more and more.
As always, we look forward to the next time that we get to be with you and add to your parenting toolbox.
Andrea: Have a great week.
Doug: Okay. Bye-bye.
Andrea: Bye-bye.
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Doug: There are in-laws, there are bad in-laws, there are really bad in-laws. But what about if you have horrible hedonistic in-laws? How do you deal with that? That’s the question that Michelle asked Dr. Leman, that we get the ass for her. And, hopefully, we’ll find out, how to deal with the horrible hedonistic in-laws.
Hi, I’m Doug [inaudible 00:00:29].
Andrea: And I’m Andrea.
Doug: And we are so glad that you’re joining us. And if this is your first time with us, we want to let you know this is for your education and entertainment purposes only, if the subject matter raises concerns for you, or your child, please go seek a local professional for help.
Well, Dr. Leman, I’m super excited to hear what Michelle has to say, but aren’t we blessed Andrea that we both have great in-laws?
Andrea: Yes, very much so.
Doug: We are very, very. So, Michelle, we feel your pain. And here is her question.
Michelle: Hi, Dr. Leman, my name is Michelle. I have two sons age, two and a half and six months. My question is what to do about family members, specifically my in-laws, who are a bad influence? Whenever we go around them they smoke weed in a state that it is illegal in front of the children, while also trying to guilt me into trying it. They curse, tell disgusting sexual jokes, watch horror films, and rated R movies all in front of their children that are under 10. We’ve even left our two year old with his mother when she was in town and, upon coming back from having to do what we were doing, we found out that she had put a rated R movie on with our son in the room.
On top of all of this, they are also huge gossips and always talk about the other people that are in the family in a nasty demeaning way. My mother-in-law claims to be a Christian, but acts this way. I really do not want my children to think that is okay behavior for someone who claims to be a Christian, let alone someone in general. Well, my husband, obviously, does not want to write off as a mother, or the rest of his family, and tends to get upset when I point out the things I don’t like our children being around, what should I do? Is it wrong to want to keep my children away from people who act like this? How do I handle discussing this with my husband without making him upset? Thanks.
Dr. Leman: Well, that is a great question, my goodness. Thank you, Michelle, for that question. You have a mother’s heart, for sure. You ask if there’s anything wrong with your thoughts and feelings? No. And, again, keep in mind that feelings aren’t right or wrong, they’re just your feelings, okay? Your problem, quite frankly, isn’t your pot smoking, R-rated movie loving, gossipers in-laws, that’s not the problem. You say, “Well, if that’s not the problem, what’s my problem?” The problem is your husband because your husband needs a little lesson in leaving and cleaving.
And that is to say that, when you grow up in a family, everything changes. As a kid, you’re supposed to honor your mom and dad. I love it when adults who are 42 years old, write me and say, “Well, Dr. Leman, the scripture says, I have to honor my mom and dad.” Well, wait a minute, it says children. You’re 42 years old. I understand you are a child of your parents, but you’re no longer childlike. You’re an adult, okay? And if your parents, or your in-laws are doing things that are hurtful to you and your relationship with your Maker, or the relationship and the perception of what is a Christian to your kids, I think, you have to take the stand that the two are one. And you and your husband have to be one and make a decision based upon what’s best for your young family. In this case, and I understand the hesitancy, this is the man who this lady gave this guy life, it’s his mom. We’re asking a lot here. But we’re asking him to take a stand for what’s right.
Now, am I saying that the parents can’t smoke pot? No, I’m not saying that at all. They want to smoke up, they can smoke up all they want. Am I saying they can’t gossip? No, I’m not saying that either. They can watch R-rated movies, X-rated movies, that’s their business. But when they choose to watch them, or use those practices in the presence of your children that’s where you have full authority to say, “No, go.” So, they have to make choices in their life, if I want to see these grandchildren. And if I want to see my son, quite frankly, because sooner or later, it’s going to get to that point because if your husband, mark my words, does not comply with your wishes on this he’s going to pay for that big time.
It’s tough enough, Michelle, to stay married, but when you feel like the one you pledged your trough to, the one you love violates your very being you’re going to have a hard time loving and respecting that man. And meeting any of the needs that he might have, which include feeling needed, wanted respected, et cetera. So, I just gave a lot on your plate, but I love this question because I think this is a question that really takes us to where the rubber meets the proverbial road.
Doug: Wow. Andrea and I, both, our eyebrows are up like [inaudible 00:05:51], what do you mean that they’re like going to grow apart? And sounds like they’re going to divorce, if they don’t figure this out. What do you mean by that?
Dr. Leman: He’s got a choice to make, are you going to honor your wife, or are you going to honor your parents? That’s why I say he needs a lesson on leaving and cleaving. And just a personal note to husband, your parents are not going to give you those exhilarating thrills in life, if you know where I’m going.
Doug: So, this one is pretty cut and dry, right? Like if they really are this terrible of an in-law, it’s kind of easy.
Dr. Leman: Yeah. Again, keep in mind, I’m saying they can smoke their pot. They can do whatever they want, they just can’t do it around your children.
Doug: Right. So, we’ll go to her issue first, and then I’ll ask my second question. Her issue is how do I talk to my husband about this? How do you have that conversation? What does she do?
Dr. Leman: You are blunt, you are asking him to listen to just five minutes without interruption. That’s all I need is five minutes of your time. Ladies, listen, I know that’s a stretch for some of you. Organize your thoughts, get it down to five minutes. Remember that men like news items out of your mouth in small increments, we want the USA Today version. So, give it to him straight, tell him how it makes you feel, tell him how it makes you feel like not responding to him because the respect level that you have for him is plummeting before your very eyes. Now, he’s not going to like what he hears from you, okay? I’m just saying, shoot it to him straight. Don’t paint any pretty pictures here. Your husband does not respond to pretty pictures. It’s sort of like grabbing your husband with your hands on each ear, bringing him in close, we call that focused attention, establishing eye contact and saying, “I need you to listen to me for five minutes straight because there’s something that is really bothering me, and I believe it’s destroying our relationship.”
Now, if your husband is worth salt, and he hears the words that something’s going on that’s destroying our relationship he’s thinking, “Is she asking me for a divorce? Are we separating? How much is this going to cost me? Oh my goodness, I feel trapped. I’m embarrassed. What do I do?” I mean, you want all those panic buttons to go off in that husband, because you want him to know how serious you are about this is.
Now, see I’ve gone through some of this in my own life, okay? I married a diamond in the rough, I’ll just let it go at that. We’ve had some of these similar type issues that we had to face. And we made that decision as a couple that we’re not subjecting our kids to this and that, and the other thing. We made that when they were little, little older than your two and a half year old, but we made those decisions early in our marriage, and they were good decisions that we made.
Doug: Well, I want to just reaffirm what you said that Andrea is super sweet and soft, and for years she thought she was being clear with me, and hoping I would understand what she was trying to say. And it’s just been in the last number of years that she’s understood she has to be blunt and-
Andrea: To the point.
Doug: To the point and super direct for me to hear it. Right, hon?
Andrea: Mm-hmm (affirmative). I feel like I’m angry and I’m hurting him, but that’s when he actually hears me.
Doug: Say that again because I think-
Dr. Leman: I call it the two by four theory here.
Doug: Did you hear what she said though? I think it’s really good for [inaudible 00:09:45].
Andrea: I feel like he must think I’m angry, like I’m going to hurt him by seeing what I’m going to say, but it’s super direct, super short, pointed. And a couple hours later, he says, “Thanks for saying that.”
Dr. Leman: Well, you got a good one. And I remind you, if you ever want to put him on eBay you’d be swamped with orders for one Douggie T.
Doug: But this is not a one five minute conversation, and the husband’s like, “Oh, I get it now, honey. Great, I’ll never go see my mom again.” He’s probably going to fire something back at her, right? Like, “You’re out of control. You don’t understand. You’re selfish. What about your parents,” right?
Dr. Leman: Okay so, your answer back to your husband is, “Honey, I’m sure you can handle it. I know this is going to be tough, it’s going to be emotionally tough on you. You’re going to have to have big boy pants conversation with your mom and dad. But I just want you to know, as the other half of you, I am very unhappy.” Listen, I’m just telling you that’s [inaudible] approach.
Andrea: It almost feels like that say it once and walk away kind of a thing, rather than getting engaged in an argument.
Dr. Leman: You’re going to get his attention by way of the two by four theory. And, again, that’s sort of, “Okay, listen, bub, this is very important. I need your focused attention. I need you to hear exactly how I feel. I have a very terrible feeling about this. Every time I go to the house, I feel like I’m selling myself out. I don’t like the fact that our kids are going to grow up and think that that sweet aroma of that green leafy substance is something healthy for all of us, okay? I don’t want to see my two and a half year old high on second-hand smoke. Hello?” Oh my God, I’m laughing at myself about a serious subject. I shouldn’t be.
I think you both understand, this is one of those things where you pull the rug out, and you let them all tumble, and you get people’s attention because this is not a negotiable. This is something that has to change. And if it’s not going to change, then our behavior as a couple, and our behavior as a family will change.
Doug: Whoa.
Dr. Leman: Now, at that point, ask yourself, where’s the tennis ball? When you say that where’s the tennis ball? It’s on the in-laws side of the court, and they’re either going to have to do something different … right now you allow them to be the irresponsible non-responsible grandparents that they are.
Doug: [Wh-oo 00:00:12:26]. When we come back, I want to hear what we’re going to say to our in-laws together as a group. So that, I’m very curious to see. But, thank you, Andrea for reminding me, right now, between now and the end of July, you can get for only a buck 99, When Your Kid is Hurting. For $1.99, When Your Kid is Hurting. And I don’t have an Amazon in front of me and nor do you, Andrea, oh, I feel terrible now. So, Dr. Leman, who is this book written for?
Dr. Leman: Well, it’s for parents who are looking at the crack in the ceiling at night not knowing what to do because they know their kids are hurting, and they really don’t know what to say, or what to do. It’s for parents who think, “I don’t think there’s an answer to this one.” It’s a book, do you have to go out and get it today? No, you don’t. But if you can download it now, and keep it in your library, I’ll tell you the day’s coming where you’re going to love that book.
Doug: Amen.
Dr. Leman: Because it helps you get beside your kid, and really help them through those tough battles in life, which you know are coming sooner or later. It’s not like this is a surprise.
Doug: So, I agree with you. For $1.99 you can get it now, you have it. And when it happens, you can whip it out. And even if you just want to use it as a reference on a couple of the different chapters in there, it’s totally worth it. Between now and the end of July.
Okay so, Dr. Leman, hopefully, the couple has agreed, “Okay, we’re going to Mom and Dad and telling him no more pot smoking, no more R-rates movies equals no more grandkids.” How do you do that as a couple? How does that happen?
Dr. Leman: You start not dropping in to see them. You start by turning down an invitation to come over. “Hey, we’re going to cook hamburgers and watch preseason football. Do you want to join us?” “Well, actually, no we’re not available.” Or, “No, we’re choosing not to go.” Let them get to a point where they say, “Hey, what’s wrong? Something wrong?” “Yeah, there’s plenty wrong. Would you like to hear about it? You come over to our house and we’ll cook burgers out because we have something to say to you that’s very important, that’s going to make a difference in the future of our relationship with you.” “Well, what do you mean?” “Well, you come over and we’ll talk about it face-to-face. This is one of those difficult things, that conversations that has to take place.” So, you see what I’m saying? You start the action. You can start the action by simply not initiating what you normally do, and not accepting invitations to come your way. They’ll figure out something’s wrong. Then, have that conversation.
Andrea: So, when you tell them, “We’re not coming over, but we need you to come over for a serious conversation,” I just imagine mother-in-law firing up, getting angry, blowing a gasket on the phone. This is like I’ve just started a forest fire because she probably guessing, she knows because I’ve already been saying, “Hey, turn off that movie. You can’t smoke pot in front of my kids,” so she’s going to know. So, how do I deal with that on the phone?
Dr. Leman: So, she huffs some puffs, and she makes a big scene of it. She says, “Oh, you’re talking about this and that. Well, good luck with that.” “Well, Mom, I just thought I’d give you the opportunity to have a discussion about it. If you choose not to discuss it, that’s your decision.” Again, at that point, when you say, “It’s your decision,” where is the tennis ball life? It’s in their court and that’s where it belongs. So, you’re going to keep the tennis ball on their side of the court.
Doug: Okay. And then, one last question, I’m want to go back to the wife and husband situation. So, the wife has been super blunt, she laid out her things, the husband said, “Okay.” And then, a month later he’s like, “Hey honey, I really want to go see my mom, it’s her birthday. I really want to go over for her birthday party. It’s just her birthday, let’s go.” What do you do then?”
Dr. Leman: “Honey, listen, I know this is very difficult for you. If you want to go to your mom’s birthday party, please go have a great time. In fact, wish her happy birthday from me, would you? But I’m not going. And I’m not taking our kids over there.” Do you see what we do here? Now, again, you as a wife now, okay, this is a husband, he wants to spend time with his mom, his dad, whatever, pot smoking, gossiping people that they are. Let him go, let him go and do it.
Now, the extent that he does that, if he does that too much, what’s going to happen to that wife’s feelings, and that woman’s respect for her husband? And how is she going to interpret that about his feelings for respecting her feelings? His attitude toward respecting her feelings, I should say. So, this man has to man up Doug.
Doug: Right. So, after two or three times of him going over there, does she re-hit him over the head with the two by four and say, “I don’t respect you. And I don’t want to be close to you.”
Dr. Leman: I think he’s going to feel a distance growing between two of them. See the bad in-laws can drive a wedge between the relationship, just like kids in our own home can drive a wedge between our relationship. So, who comes first? I think the couple comes first. Then, what comes second? Your children. They’re important, but they’re not number one. Kids are not the most important thing, your relationship’s number one. And then, other things are other things. And, unfortunately, or fortunately, depending upon where you are, the in-laws might be as high as three on your list, but they shouldn’t be higher than that. They shouldn’t take precedent, or priority over your spouse, or your children.
These are tough ones, but this doesn’t get changed by a mamby pamby approach. This improves greatly when you make hard choices, vocalize those choices, and stick to your guns and don’t waiver.
Doug: What about the other way around? Let’s say it’s the wife that really wants to go to the in-laws, and the husband doesn’t, and thinks they’re … Maybe they’re neutral. Maybe they’re not a bad or they’re not a good, they’re just a neutral, how does that play out? She feels like, “Hey, we should go see, these are my parents for Pete’s sake.” And he’s like, “I really don’t want to go. I really don’t want to go.”
Dr. Leman: Well, it depends on what the parents are doing. I mean, are we still pot smoking and gossiping?
Doug: No.
Dr. Leman: I mean, I don’t see the difference.
Doug: They’re neutral. They’re not not pot smoking, they’re just difficult.
Dr. Leman: We all have difficult people in our life, and many of them are our in-laws. And I think we’ve done podcasts on it’s Thanksgiving time and the in-laws are coming, what do I do? Because they’re really not my cup of tea. And we’ve made suggestions, like get a hotel room for them instead of having them in your home. I mean, and I’ve always said, “Hey, it’s three days, deal with it.” You can deal with it for three days. You can deal with your sister-in-law, who’s got very bad breath for five days, okay? Just put a little hallelujah on day five, she’s gone. Wave to the tail lights with thank you Lord, for small favors as they pull out of the driveway.
I mean, there’s some things you have to do because it’s family, and to not roll with the punches makes you isolative, and you’re sort of telling the whole family you’re better than everybody else. So, you have to cut some slack and some grace to these people. There are certain things you do. But when things are just so obviously blatant against what you believe in, and what you’re comfortable with, and you want to be protective of your parents … of your children, rather, you need to make those tough decisions.
Doug: Thanks for that clarification, so that people don’t go out there and all of a sudden these wives start sitting their husbands down and be like, “And we’re not going ever again.” And you’re like, “What? What? My mother, I’m sorry that she cooks with butter and you’re allergic to butter. I’m sorry,” right, or whatever it is. That’s great, so there’s balance. If it’s blatant, hit him with a two by four, if it’s not suck it up and deal with it.
Well, thank you Dr. Leman. And, wow, I feel for Michelle. Man, that would be a tough one. And Michelle, thank you so much for leaving this question. If you’re out there wondering, “Hey, how do I leave a question like that,” go to birthorderguy.com/ and put in just about any number, but this episode is 323. And down at the bottom, you’ll see a little microphone. You can click that microphone, and you can leave your question. Just so you know, there is a 90 second limit on it, but you can say a lot of things in 90 seconds. And we’d love to answer it on the air for you, also you can find out information about Dr. Leman, get the book, When Your Kid is Hurting between now and the end of July of 2020 for $1.99 wherever eBooks are sold. Well, thanks for being with us, and asking your questions. And we love helping add to your parenting toolbox, so you can love those kids more and more.
Andrea: Have a great day.
Doug: Take care. Bye.
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]]>It’s time for another Ask Dr. Leman: “Should I stop my kids from playing with Legos before A is complete?” Discover how Dr. Leman answers the question on this episode of Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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Doug: Okay. Your six and four year old misbehave, and you’re sitting there scratching your chin going, “All righty, this guy, Dr. Leman said, “B doesn’t happen until A.” And the Lego box comes out. They go in their room and grab it. What do you do? Do you snatch the Lego box? Do you wait for the opportune moment? Do you pull them aside right then and say, “This is not appropriate behavior.” What do you do? How do you apply B doesn’t happen until A to a six and a four year old? That’s the question that Elizabeth asked that we get to ask Dr. Leman for you.
Hi, I’m Doug Terpening.
Andrea: And I’m Andrea.
Doug: And we are so glad that you are with us today. Welcome. If this happens to be your first time, want to let you know, this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or a child, please go seek a local professional for help. If this is your first time with us, you’re going to learn one of the core principles around here. That B doesn’t happen till A, but let’s hear Elizabeth’s question.
Elizabeth: Hi, Dr. Lehman. My name is Elizabeth. I live in San Antonio, Texas, and I have two girls ages, six and four. Love your books. Love the podcast. I have a question about B doesn’t happen until A is complete. Is B the thing that I’m going to do for them that they want, or is it the thing that they can do by themselves?
For example, say they haven’t cleaned up their room and then they go start getting a toy out like Legos in the playroom and play that. It’s something they didn’t need my help to do, but they haven’t cleaned their room first. I think the answer is I let them play the Legos and then the next time they want something from me, I say, “I don’t feel like it right now.” And let them figure out that they need to clean their room first. Because when I try to make them not do the things they can do by themselves, I feel like I’m micromanaging them. But I would just like some clarification on B doesn’t happen till A is complete. What about if the next thing they want to do is something they can do on their own? Is it okay for them to do that? And then I just don’t let them do the next thing that I need to help them with? Thanks for your help.
Dr. Leman: Well Elizabeth, I can tell straight off that you’re a great mom. Congratulations. You’re surviving parenthood, six year olds and four year olds. Well basically, I mean, the scenario you gave us was kids are supposed to clean their rooms. Well, they’re six and four. A six-year-old is developmentally way ahead of four-year-old. Okay? So you talk about reason and talking to kids, huge difference from talking to a six year old from a four year old.
But to answer your question, it’s more from the standpoint of your kid’s not doing what you’ve asked them to do. The first thing I would suggest is you have some kind of a little chart. I’m usually not real big on charts, but I think it’s helpful for kids that age, where they have daily routine. If the daily routine is to clean your room, you get a little board or a little magnets on it where they can move at where it’s done so they can understand. And that’s taking what I call, taking time for training. You’re going to train kids to do certain things in the home, but basically in the scenario presented, they’re supposed to clean their rooms and they didn’t. Okay, they’re six and four. So they’re not always going to be good at remembering do that. I’m older than six and four and I still have a hard time remembering that. Okay?
And thank goodness God gave me the wife He gave me who’s so good at reminding me of those kinds of things. That was humor for just Doug and Andrea because we had a conversation earlier. See they’re laughing. They’re with me. You guys are in the dark. Sorry about that.
But anyway, what I would do in that situation, okay, I would move in and the kids are with their Legos. I’d pick the Legos up. Okay? And I’d put them up and I’d say, “Your chore list needs to be worked on before we play.” Now, the other scenario is that the Lego’s are up on top of a closet and they can’t get them and they come to you and they say, “Mommy, would you get our Legos down?” “Honey, I don’t feel like doing anything for you right now. I’m very upset because you didn’t clean your room. You have work to do. You go get your work done and then we’ll have a conversation.” Now that’s keeping the tennis ball life, as I like to say, in their court. It says there’s order is going to prevail on our home and you’re going to take care of these things. Okay?
So that’s basically how I would handle that because, see your kids, your question was very perceptive. Your kids could go not cleaning the room and do a series of things, play Legos, and then get a game out and then drag something else out. And before long, your family room looks like a cyclone hit it. And not only do you not have a clean room, but they haven’t picked up their Legos when they went to the next thing. And that’s the nature of kids. That’s what kids do. And that’s why I think if you want to teach structure and A comes before B, then start … This is a beautiful time to train those kids about that. And they’ll learn rather rapidly that first thing you do is get up and pick up your room and clean your room or brush your teeth or whatever the order of the day is. So that’s how I proceed with that. But again, Elizabeth, I can tell you’re a great mom. You want to do the right thing. That’ll help.
Doug: Yeah. Dr. Leman, I have two things. One, you should be lucky to have Mrs. [Upington] in your life. I’m telling you. Any snarky comments are not accepted. Right Andrea?
Andrea: Amen.
Doug: Yeah.
Dr. Leman: Oh boy! They’re turning on me folks.
Doug: We might just call her.
Dr. Leman: Oh, don’t call her.
Doug: We might just call her.
Andrea: Yeah.
Dr. Leman: Don’t do that to me.
Doug: I’m going to call her and say, “Do you know what he said on air to thousands of people? Andrea held up a note and told me defend Mrs. Upington. So I did that.” Right [inaudible 00:06:19]?
Okay. Number two is, I’m totally confused. I don’t understand you anymore. So I thought we were not supposed to when B doesn’t happen until A is complete, I thought we were supposed to wait until the child initiated a need from us. And you’re telling this mom, “Step in and initiate the problem.” I don’t … Those are two, those two stories don’t match for me.
Dr. Leman: Let’s start with kids are always asking for something. But in this case, they, apparently, I assume they had their breakfast. They got up. They do whatever kids do when they get up and they didn’t clean their room, which they know they’re supposed to do. Mom didn’t remind them to clean their room, which is good on her part. And the kids go right into the, get the Legos out in the family room. And she’s sitting there thinking, “Oh my goodness! They didn’t clean their room.” So I suggest, “Okay, a little chart might help” or whatever. But now the Legos are out. Go in. Exert your authority. Pick up the Legos and say, “Honey, we’re not playing Legos now you have work to do.” Let the kid figure out what the work is. Do you see what I’m saying?
It’s ideal when a kid comes and says, “Mommy, drive me here. Mommy, would you get me this? Mommy, would you get me that?” Because kids are always asking those questions. Always. And yes, those are the premier shots, so to speak. When you can say to a kid, “Mommy, doesn’t feel like getting you anything right now. I’m very upset about the fact that you didn’t do your work.” Turn your back and walk away. That will get most kids headed in the direction of their work because, as I’ve said, many times, your kids actually want to please you. Well, let them please you, but as part of the training process. But keep in mind, they’re six and four and as a four year old, is, they’re four. Six is young enough, but four is really young. So it takes time for training and four year olds going to take their cues from six year old. And so there’s times you step in and just make it happen.
Doug: So Andrea, for me and myself, I’m trying to imagine, okay, so our two kids, six and four, they didn’t do their, whatever. They dragged that Lego box out in the living room or whatever. And I started to see him play with it and I’m seething inside or whatever. I know I’m not supposed to be, but I’m all wound up. So I go over and I scoop up the last of them. I pick up the box and I go put it somewhere high where they can get it. But I definitely mean, I can’t say anything at this point or am I supposed to say something at this point?
Dr. Leman: Okay. You have full authority, okay, in the home. You can do whatever you want to do. There are many ways to skin the proverbial cat. Okay? So don’t lock yourself into, “I must do this. I must do that.” Certain situations, and quite frankly, depending upon your mood and the day, and you got a dental appointment scheduled at one o’clock and we’re talking morning. And one of the things you really don’t like doing in life is going to the dentist. And that might color your need perfection in your life or your need to move things along or put order in your life. Whatever. I understand all those things.
But I think you have to realize that your God given responsibility is to be in authority over your kids and how you exert that authority is up to you, the situation, the time of day. I mean, you’ve got company coming that day for dinner, let’s say, and you really want to just sit there and wait for the teachable moment, while the kids go from Legos to this, to this, to this, to this. And now the entire home seems to be trashed. You see what I’m saying? So it is situational. So there’s days where mom goes in and just picks up the Legos and puts them away and says, “We got work to do.”
Doug: So I’ll confess. I like black and white, right? I like it’s … right? I like, I always never talk to the child or I always do this. So the freedom you’re giving me actually creates more, whatever, not good insight.
Andrea: Discomfort.
Doug: No, discomfort.
Dr. Leman: [crosstalk] I’ve heard you say so many times, “We hope we have added to the tools in your parental toolbox,” true?
Doug: Correct.
Dr. Leman: And what we’re doing today is what? We’re adding tools to the parental toolbox. There’s lots of ways you can do things. You have the freedom. You’re the parent. And again, it’s situational, depending upon do you have company coming over? Do you have a dental appointment? The kids have to be someplace, on a play date. I mean, all kinds of things that fit into your day, but you’re an authority, which means the buck stops with you, parent. And the point is that kids see that what you say and do is consistent and you mean business. And by consistent, I mean that you’re willing to take action. The kids aren’t going to feel like, “Well, she’s a pushover.”
Doug: Here’s what I’m reacting to, now that I’ve kind of processed my thoughts for a moment. As a recovering authoritarian King of the Hill, I liked the parameters of no yelling because I can do that, no powering up to go B as an happen until A helped remove my I’m going to control this situation, bad. And to have the freedom actually scares me because then I go back to, “Oh. I’m the authoritarian person. I can do whatever I want to however I want to. And okay, Lehman said, ‘I can do B doesn’t happen till A’ however I want to.” How do I keep that in balance?
Dr. Leman: Well again, we didn’t give you permission to be an authoritarian. All we’ve done is given you permission to be an authority. And order needs to be part of our homes. A home that’s disordered is not going to function well. No one member of the family is more important than the family. Everybody pitches in. The old Barney song, “Everybody clean up, clean up,” whatever it is. Everybody is part of the team. And we want to do team building in our own family, but showing kids your displeasure and their failure to do some basic, simple things in life, to me, is okay. And that’s why using the words, “I’m very upset. I’m disappointed,” you don’t have to shame the kid, just share your disappointment that the job hasn’t been done. “All right, that’s not my job. That’s your job. You live in that room. I don’t live there.”
Doug: So Andrea, I’m to obviously power up, control things. You might be a little bit more on the other side.
Andrea: Permissive?
Doug: Yeah. What do you think about this? Imagine you’re six and four year old, your older two kids, they haven’t done what you’ve asked them to do and they pull out books. They’ve got a book of, their box of books that they’re pulling out the living room to start pulling them out. Could you walk over and say, “Put the books in,” and say, “I’m very disappointed in you,” and put the books away?
Andrea: I think that the “I’m very disappointed in you” and not explaining why is a little hard. I would probably be softer about it. And I would probably say something like Dr. Leman said earlier is, “You need to check your chore list before you get this going.”
Doug: But the pick the books up and put them somewhere else, would that be tough to do?
Andrea: Probably not too bad.
Dr. Leman: Yeah.
Doug: But you’d have to tell them something?
Andrea: Yeah. But I would say, “You guys need to check your chore list before you get going on this.” And I could probably, depending on how I’m feeling, throw in, “I’m really disappointed.”
Dr. Leman: Yeah. And I like to check the chore lists from the record. That’s good. Check the chore list. That’s good.
Andrea: Yeah.
Dr. Leman: Keep in mind. Am I putting the tennis ball on my side of the court or am I putting it on their side of the court? And when you say, “Check the chore list,” you’re clearly putting out their side of the net and that’s what you want to work to strive to have consistency where the kids are accountable and responsible for the little things they choose in life because those six year olds and four year olds are going to be 18 and 16 someday. And they’re going to be facing choices that can be life changing, that can be deadly, that can put them in other people at risk.
So take time for training is really something that every parent needs to understand, that I’ve said many times. I, once in a while, I get a snarky email from it that having a pet and having kids have some similarities and you have to train early.
Doug: So okay. I get it. Now what you’re saying is that I should be looking at it as I am trying to train them to be responsible for their own actions, adults someday. And look at it that way. And I have to take out my angst of companies coming over or how many times do I have to tell them this? This is … yeah, I get it.
Dr. Leman: Well, it’s, again, it goes back to the concept, Doug, of reality discipline. And that basically says, “Let the reality, again, of the situation, whatever it is, be the teacher to the child.” So it’s the situation that you’re unhappy with, that you’re disappointed with, that you’re angry at, that you’re upset about whatever it might be. It’s a situation. And that helps you from being too punitive and too sarcastic or demeaning or anything else that authoritarian parents tend to fall into the trap of doing.
Doug: Well, and as an authoritarian parent, after I give the eBook thing here, I think it highlights something to me, but I’m going to make sure I get this in. The eBook offer from our friends at Ravel is When Your Kid is Hurting for a 1.99 between now and the end of July of 2020, When Your Kid is Hurting for only a buck 99, Andrea-
Andrea: This is one of your newer books, isn’t it, Dr. Lehman?
Doug: It is.
Dr. Leman: Yeah, it is.
Andrea: Here’s a little review here. She said, “I love it. This book is great. It has a lot of helpful information. I just love Dr. Lehman. I was not disappointed.” And BJ said, “When someone you love hurts, hurting parents of hurting children need to read this book.”
Doug: So if you have a hurting kid and you’re wondering, how do I deal with the wounds of life, you can get When Your Kid is Hurting for a buck 99 between now and the end of July, wherever eBooks are sold. And now, a no nonsense parenting moment with Dr. Kevin Leman.
Dr. Leman: We have a huge sign hanging in our gymnasium at Leman Academy of Excellence. And underneath it, it say, “Where learning is fun.” Hey parent, learning should be fun because not in the school where they’re having fun, get them in a different school, but the home ought to be fun. And again, the fact that your home is fun, goes a long way in the peer group. Kids are some times surprised that their friends like you, but that’s a great message that Sarah’s mom and dad are really cool. What does that mean? It means they’re friendly. They show interest in what those kids are all about, what their interests are, and it doesn’t hurt that they have some treats when the kids come over and might be the first to say, “Hey, would you like to go to dinner with us tonight? We’re just going to go down here to Chick-Fil-A and get a sandwich, but we’d love to have you join us. Call your parents, see if that’s okay. We’ll be glad to drop you off.”
Make your home life experience fun for your kids. Let your kids be proud of you. Why? Because you show interest. You’re always smiling. You’re always kind and thoughtful to their friends and then your kids will never fail to bring the peer group into your home. Parents, that’s a great way to keep an eye on who you’re kid’s hanging out with.
Doug: Okay. So Dr. Leman, here’s the interesting thing I realized is that this ambiguity, that this enters in for me, makes me realize how often I try and control or keep out the old bad habits within me. How do people like me, that can sometimes have this fire that just is always slowly burning in them, be aware of how much that can spill over into our parenting? How do we make sure that we’re in the right spot?
Dr. Leman: If you find encouragement in the words of others, I love the fact that St. Paul who authored so much of the New Testament essentially calls himself a loser. He calls himself wretched. He says, “I tell myself, I’m not going to do these things, but I do these things.” Always love to remind listeners and viewers of this fact, what day of the week do diets start on? Tomorrow, Monday, and then we followed up with, “Connie, pass me that cheesecake.”
That’s the human condition, Doug. It’s called a carnal self. We shoot ourselves in our own foot, but for some of you who struggled with perfectionism, and maybe you came out of a family that wasn’t close to ideal, maybe for you, it’s three steps forward and two back. And you’re going to fail. And I’ve said many times, and again, I’m a Christian. I’m believer that Jesus will return to this earth someday and will reign forever and ever. And without understanding, I have to understand my carnal nature is a screw up. I can have all the love and joy in my heart until somebody cuts me off in traffic and a word came out of my mouth that shouldn’t have come out, but it did. I mean, we’re an unperfect group of people.
So don’t hold yourselves, parents, to some unrealistic standard. You’re going to fail. When you blow it with your kids and you’ve said things that were inappropriate or whatever you say, “Honey, I owe you apology.” Kids are resilient. They’re all pretty good at forgiving parents, quite frankly. And you never look bigger in your kids’ eyes, parents. So when you say to your son or your daughter, “Honey, I misspoke. I was clearly wrong. Would you forgive me?” And so keep that in mind. We’re not trying to create perfect parents here on our podcast, but we would like to help create good parents.
Doug: Well, thanks for that and I think that is a great reminder to apologize when I blow it, which I actually, I have to do with the kids because I did blow it this week because I was too wound up. Maybe that’s why I’m asking the questions.
So well, Elizabeth, I appreciate your question a ton and it sounds like you are a great mom. Kudos to you to even get the concept of B doesn’t happen until A. If you don’t understand that concept, and when I say B doesn’t happen until A is he has a new idea to you, I would highly encourage you to go read, Have a New Kid By Friday to get that idea. Making Sure They’re Mine Without Losing Yours. Both of those are great, great books to lay out this concept. So you have the confidence to apply it.
And again, I listen to Dr. Leman a lot and it still helps when I reread his books and I re go through these concepts. If you haven’t read those two, highly, highly recommended. And if you have a hurting kid, you can get When Your Kid is Hurting for now, until the end of July of 2020, for a buck 99.
Well, it is a joy to be with you and we look forward to the next time we get to hang out with you and add to that parenting tool box so you can love those kids more and more.
Andrea: Have a great week.
Doug: Take care. Bye-bye.
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Doug: Your daughter walks in the door, tears are streaming down her face, and she just walks right into her room and slams the door. Later on you get to talk to her and you say, “What’s wrong?” She says, “Someone called me fat at school today.” What do you do as a parent? How do you respond to them? What’s going on with that kid? That’s the question we get to ask Dr. Leman today.
Hi, I’m Doug Terpening.
Andrea: And I’m Andrea.
Doug: Boy, I started that one off kind of on a dour note, didn’t I? But we’re really glad that you’re here. So I’ll say woohoo. And we want to let you know, this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or your child, please go seek a local professional for help.
So definitely I have a quick funny story, maybe this isn’t funny, but I’ll tell it anyways. So we always go camping at the same spot as a family, and we raft down this little river part, not very long. And so we made a river raft, song and I’m offended at my children because when they came to the song that’s part of me, listen to Andrea’s already laughing. When they come to the part of song that’s about me, I am called Huge Butt by my children, who knocks all the children off the raft.
Andrea: That’s because you’re dragging on the rocks.
Doug: Oh, look at Andrea’s even adding to this, Dr. Leman. Help me. This is how I get treated around here.
Andrea: It’s just perfect, because this is the last day they can call in and describe us.
Doug: Oh.
Dr. Leman: Oh, yeah.
Andrea: You just gave away a little piece.
Dr. Leman: Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Boy, I hope people were listening to that, but yeah, we want to know from you. I don’t know about you, but I listen to radio and I listen to a program and I don’t know what the person looks like, but I have in my mind what that person looks like. And then I meet that person someday and I go, “Oh, Whoa, wow.” I get the voice. But I didn’t think that he or she looked like that.
And so we want to know what your perception is of what Doug Terpening looks like, and his wife Andrea. I’m not going to call her lovely. I’m not going to call her pretty. I mean, I could call her Old Dog Face to throw you off if I wanted to, but that wouldn’t be kind, would it? But we want to know how tall is Doug? How tall is Andrea? What do they look like? What are their facial features like? What’s their body type like? I mean you name it, put as much detail it as you can, and they will pick a winner. And we will send you a copy of my newest book, which is a good one, why Kids Misbehave and What to Do About It. So have at it. We want to hear what you have to say about what the Terpenings look like. That’s T-E-R-P-E-N-I-N-G. A terpening. I’ve said this so many times, but a terpening sounds like it’s a little animal that lives in Australia under a rock, a terpening. Are there a lot of terpenings in the country?
Doug: No, there’s not a lot.
Andrea: Not that we know of.
Doug: Not a lot.
Dr. Leman: Where did that name come from? Do you know?
Andrea: We think Dutch.
Doug: We think it’s Dutch, but it’s kind of…
Andrea: Terpening.
Doug: Yeah.
Dr. Leman: Terpening.
Doug: My friend just came back from the Dutch and they said that it’s like a phrase for someone who is frugal. Is that right, Andrea?
Andrea: Like the Dutch.
Doug: Like the Dutch.
Andrea: Penny pincher.
Doug: Penny pincher.
Dr. Leman: Penny pincher. Are you a penny pincher, Doug?
Doug: Well, in every family there’s a spender and a saver, right? Let’s just say Andrea does a better job of making sure the money lasts to the end of the month. We’ll just say that. How about that?
Dr. Leman: Okay. So one of the descriptions could be that her gray matter is larger than yours. I’m amusing myself now. I can’t wait to see what you guys say. Take the time to tell us what you think Doug and Andrea look like. I think it’d be fun. We’ll read some of them on the podcast. You might get a kick out of them.
Doug: We’re making this up on the fly as we go, Dr. Leman, but could they post those even do your Facebook account or not? Or would that be a bad idea? Should we make them leave an audio description?
Dr. Leman: Oh, I don’t care. Sure. Whatever.
Doug: Okay.
Dr. Leman: On my Facebook, Dr. Kevin Leman Facebook, there’s like 78,000 people on there. So help us spread the word about the podcast. It doesn’t need a lot of fanfare, quite frankly, because we know a lot of people are on that every day. But help your friends out say, “Hey, I listen to this podcast. You might like it,” and share it with them and help us grow our audience. That’s always fun to see.
Andrea: How do they leave an audio description?
Doug: So you go to-
Andrea: podcast questions?
Doug: Go to birthorderguide.com/podcastquestion. Or you can look at the latest episode and at the bottom of it. So you can go to birthorderguide.com/320 or whatever number less than that. And there’s a little microphone and you can click right there, and you can leave your description. That would be great. It’d be fun. Are the two of you done insulting me by the way, can we move on now? Are you done? Or is there anymore?
Andrea: Did I insult you?
Doug: You said that my butt dragged on the rocks and that’s why I was called-
Andrea: I was just giving a description of what happened when we were going down the river.
Doug: Oh, okay. Thanks. Yeah, great. I love you, both of you, so much. Alrighty. Well, so Dr. Leman, maybe we should change the question from my child came home crying because she was called fat to Doug came home cried because he was called fat by Dr. Leman and his wife. How do you help our children when they have to experience these kinds of-
Dr. Leman: Well, let’s start off with a multiple choice. You heard Doug’s description. Your kid comes home in tears and goes right to the room and slams the door. And he asked the great question, what do you do? Well, here’s a multiple choice. You go in and sit on your child’s bed and said, “Honey, what happened? What’s wrong?” That’s A. B. You come to the door and you knock and you say, “Honey, can I come in?” Or C. You do nothing. What is the proper answer?
Doug: Oh, Andrew, you’re the one with more gray matter. Why don’t you answer? A, B, or C Andrea.
Andrea: I’m going to go A. I’m going to come in and sit down with them.
Doug: She’s wrong, Dr. Leman, tell her! Just nail her.
Dr. Leman: She is wrong. Do you want to take a guess?
Doug: C, you wait for them.
Dr. Leman: C, C. And that’s just the mother in her, okay. Her little chick is wounded. That little dove’s got a broken wing and mama bear is going to run over there. I really don’t mind the idea of the parent coming in and sitting on the edge of the bed. But I really don’t like the idea of just walking in there and sitting on the edge of the bed and saying, “What’s wrong?” because that’s not going to get us anywhere. So you need time to really think it through as an adult, what should I do? Okay. And if in doubt, do nothing for a while. And that child needs some time to comprehend what’s happened and have a little cry and get themselves back together, okay.
There is a time where just simply saying, “Honey, can I come in?” or knocking on the door, and this might be late that night, it might be the next day. But there is an appropriate time to just come in and gently sit in the bed and say, “Honey, I don’t know. You seemed awful upset. Is there anything you want to talk about?” That’s all. And if the kid says, “No, I don’t want to talk about whatever.” Do not resist that one bit. Say, “Honey, that’s fine. Maybe another time,” and leave. So after all the emotion gets subsided to the point where she isn’t crying and you feel like you got a handle on things, then I think you’ve got to give the kid a pocket answer.
And you have to understand that when a kid is snarky and nasty and calls a kid a name, whether it’s fat or four eyes or something worse than that, you got to remember the kid that’s doing the talking is a kid who doesn’t like himself to begin with. And my classical go-to line for kids is to say to that kid, “Whoa, I didn’t realize you felt so bad about yourself.” That’s the antidote for the kid who’s being snarky with your kid. And your kid has to have that in their repertoire of behavior. So when those curve balls come rather than look like a deer that’s frozen in the middle of a highway, they have a response that’s almost memorized. It comes out that easy. It’s a wonderful way of fending off the people who want to tear you down.
Doug: So Andrea, as the resident mother here who failed the quiz, just pointing that out.
Andrea: Yes, thank you for reminding me about that.
Doug: Yeah, I’m not rubbing it in. Could you wait if your baby is over there crying in her room or his room?
Andrea: It’s awful hard. Because you want to come and comfort them. I like what you said, Dr. Leman about giving myself time to think so that I’m not just reacting, and giving them time to think.
Dr. Leman: Well Andrea, let me tell you, I know you well enough to know you could pull this off really easy. And even if you went in there, if we allowed your answer to be the correct one, and you went in there and you sat on the edge of the bed, and you just simply patted your daughter a couple of times on the shoulder and got up and left, that would be okay. Because you’re showing by way of your action that I’m here, I’m available, and I’ve got compassion for whatever you’re going through. Does that make you feel better?
Andrea: Yes. Thank you.
Dr. Leman: Just no words.
Andrea: Okay, no words. Just pat them on the shoulder, let them know you’re there, that you recognize they’re hurting, but don’t try and dig out what’s going on.
Dr. Leman: Right. Exactly.
Doug: What’s interesting about that advice. I rarely agree with you on what you say, Dr. Leman, but since I’m already in trouble with Andrea, I’ll just keep going. Andrea is amazing, and if the kids are hurting they go to her. But one of the things that we all sort of fear about mom is, if we are ever hurting or sad or negative we almost aren’t allowed to be that, because mom’s going to come in immediately and try and comfort us. That we don’t even get a chance to process it ourselves in a sense. And so some things that are a molehill feel like a mountain at times. So it is interesting.
Andrea: Oh, that’s good for me to hear.
Doug: But if we wait, then we come and come to you. Huh.
The ebook offer from our friends at Revell is When Your Kid is Hurting, for a dollar 99 between now and the end of July of 2020. When Your Kid is Hurting for only a buck 99, Andrea.
Andrea: This is one of your newer books, isn’t it Dr. Leman?
Dr. Leman: It is. So go ahead and read the Amazon-
Andrea: Okay, here’s a little review here. She said, “I love it. This book is great. It has a lot of helpful information. I just love Dr. Leman. I was not disappointed.” And BJ said, “When someone you love hurts, hurting parents of hurting children need to read this book.”
Doug: So if you have a hurting kid and you’re wondering, how do I deal with the wounds of life, you can get When Your Kid is Hurting for a buck 99, between now and the end of July wherever eBooks are sold. And now a no-nonsense parenting moment with Dr. Kevin Leman.
Dr. Leman: Hey parents, we’re pounded with opportunities to help other people. If you’re a TV watcher, which I’m somewhat ashamed to tell you, I do watch TV. You’ll see these ads where you can help wounded veterans or families who’ve lost men or women on the battlefield for only $11 a month or $19 a month. Or we see ads for St. Jude’s Hospitals that treat kids who have had major disruption in their lives. There’s opportunity to give to people everywhere we look.
And I think it’s important that kids learn that they are not the center of the universe and giving is part of life. If God has blessed us in any way, with whatever we’ve got, and we share that with other people, I think it’s important to have kids share in that. They have allowances. I know we’ve gone out and literally ministered, if I can use that term, to homeless people. We’ve had our grandchildren with them. We’ve had grandchildren actually give the gift that’s in an envelope to the homeless person. Because I want our grandchildren, our children to see people just like they live. And everybody doesn’t live in a four bedroom home with premium wifi. Trust me. So giving is part of our responsibility to help others in need. It’s a great lesson for your kids to learn. Who should they learn it from? You.
Doug: Well, it is a joy to be with you. And if you have a hurting kid, you can get When Your Kid is Hurting from now until the end of July of 2020 for a buck 99. We look forward to the next time we get to hang out with you and add to that parenting toolbox so you can love those kids more and more.
Andrea: Have a great week.
Doug: Take care, bye.
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Doug: Andrea, I think you are the best in the world cook. Or is it, Andrea, there’s no cook better than you in the whole world? Is that the right way to say that? Are those the wrong ways to say that? Does that help Andrea or not? That is the question I get to ask Dr. Leman today.
Doug: Hi, I’m Doug Terpening.
Andrea: And I’m Andrea.
Doug: We’re talking about what’s vitamin E? What’s the difference between encouragement versus praise, and how do we help our kids with that?
Doug: I forgot to mention at the beginning, if this is your first time with us, welcome, glad you’re here. Want to let you know this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If this subject matter raises any concerns for you or your child, please go seek a local professional for help.
Doug: So, Dr. Leman, before we go on, I know we just did this last week, but we got to make sure we do it again because some people don’t listen to every podcast. We have our own little contest. That contest is, Andrea, you want to
[crosstalk 00:01:08].Andrea: Oh that is. Dr. Leman thinks it would be very fun to hear how you would describe Doug and myself because you don’t see us, you just hear us. So to the people who best describe us according to the Terpening kids’ judgment, you will get a free book, his newest book called …
Doug: Why Your Kids Misbehave and What You Can Do About It. We should see if people can figure out what color hair you have.
Andrea: How about you, too?
Doug: Well, yeah. And your eyes. She has beautiful eyes. Andrea has beautiful eyes.
Dr. Leman: And whether you’re tall or got a little pot belly, too much weight, not enough weight. Do you have that gaunt look? Be descriptive. Tell us what you think the guy looks like, and tell us what you think Andrea looks like. I mean, is Andrea caught in tennis shoes most of the time? Or is she one of those ladies that has to wear real shoes and brightly-colored or earth tones? I mean, this is your chance to win a book. So go at it. I think it’d be fun to see what you have to say. Who’s taller than the other? There’s a good one.
Andrea: Oh, there’s a good question.
Doug: Oh, yeah. There’s a good question.
Andrea: So how do they do this, Doug?
Doug: You go to birthorderguy.com/podcastquestion. You get 90 seconds to leave what you think. So go there, and you will get the new book, which is a great book, by the way. Can’t recommend it enough to you. As always, if again you want a foundational book from Dr. Leman, go get that one, please, Why Your Kids Misbehave and What You Can Do About it.
Doug: Today’s question is, Dr. Leman, every now and then you drop this point that we need to slip our kids a little bit of vitamin E. But you are very clear that we need to make sure that we are doing encouragement versus praise. What is the difference, and why is that important?
Dr. Leman: Well, praise is hollow, number one. I always say, “If you want to praise something in life, praise God. He’s worthy of your praise.” Your husband, your wife, your kids aren’t. Start with that.
Dr. Leman: Maybe we should call this segment Praise Reappraised because almost everybody would tell you on the street of your town that praise is important for children. I’m here to tell you it’s not important for children. I go to the extreme of getting your attention by saying it’s actually destructive. It conveys to a child that your worth is dependent upon what you do. We attach, whether it’s grades or artwork or a recitation they did for school, if it’s too flowery and it’s too I-oriented …
Dr. Leman: Maybe this will help you. Are your words directed toward the act or the actor? So you want your words directed toward the act. “Jack, it was so good to walk into that freshly cleaned garage. Thank you honey so much. I appreciate it.” That’s encouragement. It’s not, “You’re the best boy in the whole world.” It’s not gushing over the kid telling him how great he is.
Dr. Leman: So that vitamin E says to a kid, “Mom or dad has noticed the hard work I did,” whether it was cleaning your room, just going by the kid’s room and saying, “Wow, your room looks great.” The emphasis is on what? The act. You’re not drawing all kinds of inferences about how great your child is because there’s a clean room.
Dr. Leman: So it really, when you think about it, it’s a way of expressing love and admiration for your kid without going over the top. The takeaway is, again, that somebody notices the hard work I put in to this effort. So keep in mind, you want to be toward the act and not the actor, if that’ll help separate that.
Doug: So why is it important not to give hollow praise to kids like that?
Andrea: Like, “You’re a great kid.”
Dr. Leman: The kid makes the deduction in his mind, “I’m loved because I did this, because I got good grades, because I did well in that speech contest or whatever it is.” Is that really what you want to communicate to your kid? Or do you want to communicate to your kid that I love you? It’s called agape love. “I just love you.”
Doug: Yeah. This was, again, one of those things that I have learned to adopt even into my professional life.
Doug: But I want to go back to that, Andrea, you and I we both say this was … Our parents were fabulous parents. Yet this would be one of the things they did to both of us that later on, we walked with a limp. Would you not agree?
Andrea: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Doug: That our parents said, “You are blank.” They never acknowledged the hard work. They just acknowledged the results. We thought we always had to stay there. Right?
Andrea: We had to keep that up.
Doug: We had to keep that up. Isn’t that one of the dangers, Dr. Leman, that then we become defined by those things, not by the hard work side of it?
Dr. Leman: Right, exactly. So again, parents, I get it. This is not always easy to think through because we’re like trained seals. We all grew up in a praising society where reward and punishment is what was meted out by parents. That’s part of the authoritarian model, that you sit in judgment, that you’re judge and jury.
Dr. Leman: I’m just saying that that vitamin E goes a long way. Just a simple, “Good job.” That’s vitamin E. That’s encouragement. “Good job. I’ll bet that makes you feel happy inside.” That’s reflective of the child’s work. So practice it, parents. It takes practice. This doesn’t have to be a long podcast by the way today because this is really sort of basic, simple, and you either get it or you don’t.
Doug: It’s simple, but I think it’s a different concept for people. So I just want to accentuate what I’ve learned from you as I’ve applied. Is that when you focus on the hard work and the specifics to make it encouragement, not praise, it’s way more real for everybody.
Doug: So what do I mean by that? Andrea, thank you for going the extra mile to buy the extra groceries to make that meal that was so yummy, that I saw that you put the extra spices in and you did the extra effort to make such a great meal for us. And the blah, blah, blah was fabulous.” [inaudible 00:08:26]. That’s way more meaningful than just, “Hey, thanks. You’re a great cook,” right?
Andrea: Well, I actually have a question about that, and you’re probably going to take us back to the last podcast. Because what I hear now is, oh, next week when I go to the grocery store, I better make sure I plan another great meal where I go the extra mile because that’s where I get the affirmation. If I just make the normal spaghetti next time-
Dr. Leman: Yeah, your act of service button is lit up. That’s your love language. You’re talking to me now. There’s a part of Andrea, I know you good enough to know there’s a lot of pleaser in you. In fact, I think I described you as a wonderful positive pleaser. I don’t want a dog being a pleaser because I married a positive pleaser. Mrs. Uppington is a positive pleaser as well. But there are pleasers who please because they absolutely have to. They beat themselves up, and they’re critical of themselves. They become unequal partners in the relationship because of that.
Andrea: Are you at danger of putting your kids into a situation where if I don’t just say, “I love you because … “, but instead I say, “Wow, great job cleaning your room. I noticed the garbage was out early today.” If I’m saying those things, do they start to do it because that’s where they get their affirmation instead of me just saying,-
Dr. Leman: Yes.
Andrea: … “Wow, that is a great kid.”
Dr. Leman: Yeah. “Appreciate your effort. Appreciate you.” You know, “Boy, that meal was great. I remember trying to cook dinners for us when the kids were younger, and oh my goodness, I don’t know how you get it all to come out at the same time, honey. I just want you to know, I appreciate your effort, your hard work you put in this home for all of us every day.” That’s encouragement.
Doug: So if I were to say instead, “Andrea, I really appreciate the hard work that you put into making this meal and that you do it every day for this family,” that would feel like not pressure to do it?
Dr. Leman: That’s encouragement.
Andrea: Right, that’s better. Because now I feel like, “Oh, I don’t have to live up to a high standard every day to get affirmation.” Now, I just know he appreciates whatever level I put into the meal.
Andrea: I guess my fear is that the kid will then start doing things in order to gain my affirmation. Instead of a line we use at our house, which is, “No matter what you do, no matter what you say, no matter where you go, we’ll always love you.” Our kids, they carry that message in their head that even if they didn’t clean their room, we still love them.
Dr. Leman: Well, if you’re an encouraging household, your kids will catch on to the lingo, and they’ll be using it themselves. How many times as parents have we told ourself, “I’ll never say that to my kid.” As I always like to say, you not only say it, but you say it with the same tone and inflection that your parent said to you. So you do observe and you absorb the encouraging nature of your parents. If you’re lucky enough to grow up in an encouraging home, my, you’re going to shine in the workplace, I’ll tell you. People are going to love you. So it’s all good. Like I say, this is pretty simple stuff.
Andrea: It is pretty simple stuff, but it’s hard sometimes to delineate between encouragement and praise. I think the key is that you’re talking about the heart. You said a couple times that you appreciate the hard work that someone does. So I appreciate the hard work that you did to think about getting the trash out early. I appreciate that.
Dr. Leman: And if you need a self-quiz, just ask yourself what I just said, does it really focus in on the act or the actor? So you want to make sure the act is front and center. “That was so kind of you to do whatever.” The premium is on the action.
Doug: Right, instead of just saying, “You’re a good kid.” Which is not bad, obviously. But instead of just always be like, “Wow, you’re a great kid because you did this, this, this.”
Andrea: I guess maybe it’s just my own issue is I feel like I’m almost being manipulated to keep up that good behavior in order to earn affirmation.
Dr. Leman: If you walk around though trying to be Joe encouragement, I mean the kids’ll read you like a book. It won’t come across as natural.
Dr. Leman: Just try to incorporate vitamin E in your life. The guarantee is, if you do that, your kids will catch the flavor of the fact that you appreciate them for who they are. And you’re blessed to watch your kids invest in other people’s lives, do things without being asked, being responsible. All you’re doing is watering the positive plant and making sure it grows in a positive direction. That’s all you’re doing. Don’t overdo things. There’s something about moderation that’s good.
Doug: So let’s talk real quickly about the critic out there who says, “Well, but Dr. Leman, I can’t say that because actually they didn’t do it right. They took the trashcan and they put it too close to the road. I’m afraid it’s going to get hit. So I can’t say they did a good job by getting it out early.” There’s a lot of people out there that are like, “I like the concept, but if you knew what was going on in my head, Dr. Leman, you’d realize I just can’t do that.”
Dr. Leman: I’d say just continue doing what you’re doing and ask yourself, “How are things working out?” Now, that’s a little sarcasm from Kevin Leman. The critics are critical of everything. When you give them a great suggestion, they’re going to find a reason to torpedo it. If you want it to torpedo it, go live your life the way you want to live. I don’t care.
Dr. Leman: I love the story of the guy that gets a new hunting dog. You’ll love this one because he was a duck hunter. No offense to you Oregon Ducks up there. But anyway, he gets this great dog. His friend is a pessimist. He’s about the most negative person in the world. He hunts with this guy. He just can’t wait to show him the new dog. So they go out and they get behind their blind. Ducks fly over and, bingo, down comes a duck. This dog all of a sudden goes out and walks on the water, walks on top of the water right on the lake, grabs the duck, comes back, drops it at the guy’s feet. The other guy says, “Just what I thought. That stupid dog can’t even swim.”
Dr. Leman: I’m just telling you, the critics are self-critical people. They don’t like themselves, and so they have to criticize everything around. I know myself in teaching a number of years, I got to a point where I’d say to somebody, “You know what? I really can’t solve your problem. I think this is a problem you got to solve. You have asked me, and I’ve answered your question. I’ve told you the best thing to do in this situation, but I’m not into running other people’s lives. So you don’t like this, continue doing what you’re doing. But I ask as a sidebar, how’s life going? Because I happen to know it’s not going well.”
Dr. Leman: So anyway, like I say, it’s simple. It’s a reminder. You’re going to need to practice it, parent. Why? Because you didn’t grow up this way. You grew up with reward and punishment. Depending upon how old you are, some of you were taught that children should be seen and not heard. That certainly isn’t the case today. They’re heard way too much. In fact, parents are knocking themselves trying out please their kids. So it’s a little backward, for sure.
Doug: I want to talk about that real quickly when we come back from this. So I want to get into this one because this is an e-book I absolutely love, Making Children Mind Without Losing Yours, for $2.99 between now and the end of June of 2020 wherever e-books are sold. Andrea, do you have a [crosstalk 00:16:53].
Andrea: Yeah. I have another Amazon review by Jim. This is interesting. He called this, “A must-read for all parents, new or veterans. What we all need is a little soul-searching when it comes to our parenting styles and skills. This one helps with that search. My wife and I are raising two grandchildren, and they make the third set of kids. I don’t know if you ever know how to do it right. This book has been a godsend. My wife and I read it at night after the kids are sleeping and discuss our parenting. It’s been a real eye-opener.”
Doug: So thank you from Jim. I know he didn’t call you a genius this time, Dr. Leman, so hopefully you’re okay with that.
Dr. Leman: I love reviews like that though. The Making Children Mind Without Losing Yours book and The Birth Order Book, and I’ve answered so many questions like this. If it’s a parenting issue and people say, “Okay, where do I start?” Read Making Children Mind Without Losing Yours because it frames beautifully, I think, the difference between being an authority over your children versus being an authoritarian. So those are one-two punch. Read Making Children Mind and The Birth Order Book, and that’ll get your going on some of these Leman books that’ll really help transform your life.
Andrea: Absolutely. If you want that foundation, go get this book, Making Children Mind between now and the end of June of 2020 wherever e-books are sold for $2.99 cents.
Andrea: Now, a no-nonsense moment with Dr. Kevin Leman.
Dr. Leman: Attention, parents of firstborns. Did you ever notice those firstborns many times are cautious, that they’re very hesitant at new things? Old things, they just go full bore, but if you throw them a curveball and give them a new opportunity to do something, chances are that firstborn could be cautious. If they are cautious, there’s a reason for it because they fear failure.
Dr. Leman: I think it’s important that you show kids that sometimes you got to go for it. And if you fail, it’s no big deal. One of the ways you do that, I think, is to tell stories about your own life, where you felt timid and cautious and afraid to do things. Tell them stories where you failed. But also tell them stories where you succeeded. That gives kids a balanced idea, where some things are the risk.
Dr. Leman: Do I want kids to take risks when they’re driving? No. One of the things I remember my dad told me as a kid growing up, “Kevin, never turn left until you can see the entire lane.” Hey, I’m an old guy on Social Security. To this day. I never, never, never make a left-hand turn unless I can see perfectly.
Doug: So Dr. Leman, I want to talk about the current state of how the pendulum … We never told kids anything encouraging; to now, we’re way over here. Like we can’t say anything bad to kids. Here’s the question? Do we praise, encourage our kids too much now for everything that they do?
Dr. Leman: Yes. The smallest effort is “Oh, awesome job.” Was it really an awesome job? Again, you just don’t throw those words around. Again, I want to make the point, if the kid’s room is supposed to be cleaned and there’s peanut butter and jelly crusts on the floor, just a simple, “I see your room isn’t ready yet.” Because the kid wants to go out and play. But just a simple, “I see your room isn’t ready yet.” You don’t have to point out everything to them. If you do, you’re saying, “I think you’re so stupid and dumb that you don’t see what needs to be done here.” Let the kid figure it out. If you have to come back four times and say, “It’s still not ready,” so be it. You’re not being critical. You’re just saying, stay in the facts that it’s not ready yet. That’s all.
Doug: The reason it’s destructive to always be praising every little thing is, what is the flip side of always saying, “You’re great. You’re great. You’re great,” to the kids?
Dr. Leman: Well, you blow blue smoke at them, and you terribly prepare them for a world of reality that’s waiting for them. Because their boss is not going to be gushing over them.
Dr. Leman: I don’t make these things up. I read a Wall Street Journal article about companies are trying to figure out what to do with these millennials who expect celebrations at the slightest hint of success in their career. I don’t get it, but it’s sort of what a lot of people grew up with was these over-exaggerations of the child’s self-worth in this world. We brought kids to feel like they’re the center of the universe, and they clearly aren’t. The smart parent teaches kids that other people count in life.
Doug: Do we also take away from them the ability for them to be content in themselves and reliant on others to always be lifting them up by doing this or not?
Dr. Leman: Yeah, they are looking for the balloon. They’re looking for the congratulatory statement. I mean, life isn’t like that. Bosses don’t like drama. Most bosses don’t like drama, for sure.
Doug: You’re right, for sure.
Dr. Leman: Don’t be the drama person who insists on your needs are more important than the guy next to you. You get an entry-level job today, my advice is work as hard as you can and ask, “Is there anything else I can do?” Go the extra mile. That’s how you get ahead in this world.
Doug: Yeah, our oldest just called us from Costa Rica, where’s he serving down there. He said, “Dad, I feel like I was taken advantage of … ” You know, negative, negative, negative, negative, negative, and “Nobody appreciates me. Nobody appreciates this, all that I did.” I’m finally old enough to realize, I said to him, “Son, I think you should decide that you are the one that’s going to do this for yourself and not anybody else.” He called back and he said, “Dad, thanks so much because you’re right. I did this because I wanted to do this actually, and I want others to know it. But in reality, I’m going to look at all the positives that I chose to do it.” Yeah. I’m learning as well from him.
Doug: Okay. Well, what was supposed to be a super-short one, I think is much harder than you realize, Dr. Leman. I think you naturally are an encourager.
Dr. Leman: I told you straight out this thing should be short. But no, you had to go into this and into that. Oh, my goodness. Are you expecting some sign of a big star for me today for elongating this podcast well beyond what it should’ve been?
Andrea: It’s simple, but it’s not easy.
Doug: Oh, she got you.
Dr. Leman: Out of the weeds comes a proverbial giant. Oh, my goodness. Let me get my slingshot out, and see if I can take this giant down. Oh, my goodness.
Doug: Well, there we go. Encouragement versus praise. Hopefully, that helps you out. I can’t encourage you enough to do that.
Doug: Reminder, go get the book, Making Children Mind Without Losing Yours. Sorry, I shouldn’t tell people [inaudible] even pointing. Like Dr. Leman said, you want one of the foundational Leman books to get this done. Again, do it, and thank me later. Making Children Mind Without Losing Yours, $2.99 cents between now and the end of June of 2020 for e-book. If you want to leave a description of what Andrea and I look like, go to birthorderguy.com/podcastquestion.
Doug: Well, truly we love being with you. Hopefully, you can hear that and know that. It’s changed Andrea and I’s parenting, and I hope it changes yours for the better like it did us. So look forward to the next time we get to be with you.
Andrea: Bye-bye. Thanks.
Doug: Take care. Bye-bye.
]]>It’s time for another Ask Dr. Leman: “How do I get my teenage son to talk to me?” Discover how Dr. Leman answers the question on this episode of Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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Doug: Hey son, how’s your day going? Fine. How was school? Eh. Do you get tired of one word answers from your teenage son? Well, that’s the question Ana asked, “How do I get my 14 year old to talk to me?” And we get asked Dr. Leman his answer.
Hi, I’m Doug Terpening.
Andrea: I’m Andrea.
Doug: And we are so glad that you are with us today on Have a New Kid by Friday with Dr. Kevin Leman. It is a joy that you are here with us. If this happens to be your first time, I want to let you know this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or your child, please go seek a local professional for help. Well, before we hit record on the button, we were just laughing about the idea of how would people describe Andrea Terpening and how would they describe Doug Terpening? So well, Dr. Leman, Do you want to give them your description of what you think they’re going to say about me?
Dr. Leman: No, we’re not going to tell them anything, but I think it’s interesting because how many times have you listened to people on the radio and you really don’t know what they look like? But most of us get an imagery in our mind about what somebody looks like. And I thought it might be fun to see if our podcast people would like to take a shot at describing what not only you look like, Doug, but your bride as well.
Doug: Well, and I thought it was so fun that you’re willing to offer your new book to anybody who comes closest to describing what Andrea Terpening looks like and whoever comes closest to what Doug Terpening looks like.
Andrea: Is that two offers?
Doug: That’s two offers. Right, Dr. Leman? You said we could give two books.
Dr. Leman: Absolutely. And guess who the judges are? The Terpenings themselves. This isn’t 2016. This isn’t 2020, no question about fake this or interference here in this election. This is just which one is the closest to describing these two people from the wetlands of Oregon.
Andrea: We’ll have our kids help judge.
Doug: Oh yeah, there we go. There we go. That’d be fun. So you’re like, “Well, okay. I have an image.” If you go to birthorderguy.com/podcastquestion, birthorderguy.com/podcastquestion, just go there and you got 90 seconds. You can leave your description and we’ll play it for James and Nana and John and Carly and say, “Okay guys, who’s closest?” And if our friends the Kings leave an answer, we’re going to disqualify them because obviously they know us, but for the rest of the world. Yeah.
Dr. Leman: I’ll give you one clue. One of them’s prettier than the other.
Doug: Oh, thank you for saying that about me, Dr. Leman. I love that.
Dr. Leman: You a pretty boy. You really are.
Doug: When we go places, people often comment about my beauty. So I’m used to it.
Andrea: He’s my arm candy.
Dr. Leman: There you go.
Doug: You should see the look I’m getting from Andrea right now about, yeah, you’re not the pretty one. So, okay. What are we talking about today? Oh, Ana. So, thank you Ana, for leaving this question. And here we go. I’m looking forward to hear how people describe us. It’s going to be fun. Okay. And this is Ana’s question.
Ana: Hi, Dr. Leman. My name is Ana [Avoletta 00:03:36]. I’m calling from Brazil. I’m in love with your book about changing my teenager up to Friday. I’ve been applying a lot of your tips. There is something that I still can’t resolve. And this is you keep saying that we should listen to our kids. We should give them the opportunity to say how they feel. And I keep trying to establish a conversation with my 14 years old boy, but he just doesn’t want to talk to me. He’s just say one or two words. “I’m okay. It’s fine.” But he actually doesn’t give me any more words to talk to him or to understand what’s going on. He’s kind of isolated, a little bit cold. I’m trying to use some of your pocket phrases, “Tell me more about it, how you’re feeling about it.” And he’s just not into conversation.
I recognize that I may have been for some years an authoritarian mother, it’s been quite a time, about one and a half year that I’ve relaxed and trying to give him more space. But I don’t know how to get out of this non talking situation we are in. Can you please help me with that?
Dr. Leman: Well thank you, Ana. My goodness. That is so nice to hear. We’ve got people in Brazil listening into our podcast. Let’s start with some basic facts. Your 14 year old son is a male. I say that because he’s following in the footsteps of many great men who are grunters, one word answerers, non conversationalists. Again, as a reminder, women use three and a half times the number of words that men do in a given day. Point number two is he’s 14. He is entering into what I call the canyon of inferiority. If you ask a 14 year old, who would you rather be in all the students in your class? Most 14 year olds, if they’re honest, would say, “Anybody but me.” They’re going through things at 14. They’re sorting things out. You’re a reformed authoritarian mom, and congratulations on turning that page in your life. You’re going to be successful, but I think, Ana, you’re probably trying a little too hard here.
You can chill. If you stop talking, if you stop asking those questions, he will eventually begin to talk. I’m not going to tell you that he’s going to be the conversationalist a year or three months from now or anything like that, but he has to feel like he’s got a little space. And apparently he doesn’t feel like he has space, and you give him space by just backing off. And that means that when he comes home from school, there’s no question about the day. Let him come in and you’re reading a book or working in the kitchen, or maybe you’re at work and just getting home, whatever, and go about your business. If you want to have some fun with this, since he’s a non talker, sit down and fix dinner for yourself one night and let him walk in and say, “Well, where’s dinner?” “Oh, you’re talking again. You’ve been awful silent lately. I had no idea you were interested in dinner tonight.” And give him that look like, “I’m just pulling your chain a little bit,” but you’re making the point.
The hovering mom is not good for a 14 year old. That weakens his self-concept. So you need to let him spread his wings a little bit. There’s a fine art to parenting. It’s like a judgment play in a football game in Brazil, which we call soccer, and you’ll see that ref sometimes go to call a foul and he doesn’t. It’s a judgment call. And so you’re in a position where you have to make judgements every day about this kid. Ask yourself this question, what kind of a little guy was he? What would describe his personality between the ages of five and 12? And whatever those words are, I’m going to give you almost 100% guarantee that that’s the young man that he’ll return to in time. 14 is weird. They shut down. They’re trying to sort out life.
And so I think the best answer I can give you at how do you get your 14 year old to talk is to stop talking to him. Now, some mothers are rolling their eyes right now saying, “That is the worst advice in the world. This kid could be going through” … Hey, he’s 14. Cut the kid some slack. Check with school. How’s he doing in school? Is he doing well in school? I’ll bet he talks to all his friends. So, step number one is just back off and he will come around. You could always write him notes if you want. And not a lot of notes, just a once in a while note. “I love you. I’m so proud of you.” Just some Vitamin E, some encouragement to him. So I’m not saying shut him out. I’m saying just don’t talk as much. Well, that’s for a starter. What do you guys think?
Doug: Well, I was going to ask our resident mother in here who cringed. Her face cringed when you said, “Well”-
Andrea: Don’t make dinner.
Doug: Yeah, she’s cringing again. So Andrea, what is it within you that’s … because we could somewhat identify with this except that it wasn’t a boy, it was a girl. What is it within you that needs conversation from your kids? What is it that you actually are trying to get from that 14 year old that just drives you to have to have conversation and connection with them?
Andrea: Well, I think you just said it. I think connection.
Doug: And connection to you comes via words.
Andrea: Right. Right. And if I don’t know what’s going on, I don’t know, this may be more of a me thing, because then I carry this weight that I’ve done something and I’ve offended them and I need to know what it is so I can make it right.
Dr. Leman: Oh, boy. We’re going to put Andrea in therapy, folks, for the next few minutes. The guilt gatherers of life, listen up. Listen, he’s 14. Just chill. He’s also a powerful kid. Remember, that mom was a reformed authoritarian. So in this kid’s growing up years, he had an authoritarian mother who was telling him what to do, how to do it, when to do it. He needed some space. So don’t project your needs as a mom onto your son in such a way it becomes a bigger problem than it already is. Just chill. Enjoy them. Like I say, talk to school, talk to the teacher. “Does my son, is he all by himself? Does he eat lunch by himself?” “No. He’s got a bunch of kids. They go out and play football at break time and they do this and that.” I mean, find out from strangers, from people who rub shoulders with your kids. They’ll tell you.
Andrea: What would you tell Ana if she did ask that and the teacher said, “Yeah, at lunch he sits by himself in the corner. He usually tries to pick the desk in the corner of the classroom and doesn’t talk to anyone.”
Dr. Leman: Okay. Then it’s not a horses’ hoofs I’m hearing, it’s a zebra. It’s something completely different. There are some things going on. But I would assume if he’s sitting by himself, that we’re going to see the grades change, we’re going to see behavior drastically change. And this might be one of them, his non-communication with his mother. But again, when you hear the footsteps of a 14 year old, it’s probably just the clippity clop of the neighborhood horse coming by, but it could be the clippity clop of a zebra, which is a completely different animal, a different situation. And trust your gut on some of this stuff, mommies. You know your kid better than anybody else does. And sometimes you need some intervention, but if you’re a reader of my books, you’ll rarely see that I say, “Okay, immediately go see a shrink.” That’s the last thing your kid needs you, in my biased opinion.
Doug: So this podcast we’re going to rename Pick on Andrea podcast. So I’m going to pick on Andrea here in a little bit.
Andrea: Great.
Doug: Yeah. So since you’re already in counseling, we’ll just keep piling on you.
Andrea: Piling on in counseling.
Doug: I guess that’s not the right term. So Andrea almost cannot stand it if her children don’t talk to her.
Andrea: That’s true.
Doug: She is this motherer of they have to tell her some emotional word to get her off their backs. We all do. And you have to have a connection at deep levels before Andrea feels that the world is okay. So how much of this … I only use that example as I can even see our kids try and push Andrea away at times, like, “I don’t want to have to talk about my deepest feelings, mom. I’m fine. Just let me be.” How much do you think this is that Ana has just been too in that kid’s space and he’s just trying to say, “Give me room to breathe, mom.” What is the chances that’s what it is?
Dr. Leman: Yeah. He’s looking for a burrow to dig into, to give himself some time and some space and some comfort. Again, I know we should call Andrea the cringer. In fact, you should give me … Here’s the deal. Since I can’t see you, whenever Andrea cringes, you should say, “Cringe, cringe.”
Doug: What if it’s an eye roll?
Dr. Leman: Oh, gosh. This woman has talents, folks. She’s like the seventh grade girl who said, “You never let me do anything. You always do this.” Now she’s cringing and rolling her eyes. No wonder we love her around this podcast. Actually, she makes more sense than the two of us sometimes, I’ve got to tell you that. And she’s really good at digging in, like she said. “Well, wait a minute, Dr. Leman, what if you go to school and you find out he is eating by himself, he is a loner where he used to be much more active?” Then I’d give much more credence to honest question about her kid and what’s the changes that are going on in his life.
Doug: So what you’re telling us is this kid is a normal 14 year old male, who at times is just trying to figure out life. And if mom backs off, it’ll help. And let him decide when to come and talk. Because the positive for Andrea now, is when our kids are hurting, guess who they don’t come to. They don’t come to dad. They always come to mom because they always know mom’s going to give empathy and compassion and will sit and cry with them. Not so much with dad.
Dr. Leman: Okay, Doug, you and I are going to play a little game called love language. And let’s see if we can pull these up. Words of affirmation, gifts, physical touch.
Doug: Quality time.
Dr. Leman: Quality time, yeah. And there’s one more.
Andrea: Service or helps.
Doug: Service, helps.
Andrea: Gifts.
Dr. Leman: No.
Doug: And gifts.
Andrea: Acts of service.
Doug: Acts of service.
Dr. Leman: Acts of service. Very good. Very good, cringer. Acts of service. All right. Now, what love language is Andrea’s? Only Doug can talk.
Doug: All five. Am I allowed to say all five? Uh oh, I got an eye roll. Eye roll, eye roll. Andrea’s is acts of service and quality time.
Dr. Leman: Acts of service and quality time. All right. Now Andrea, what is your love language?
Andrea: Acts of service and … Oh, that I give or that I receive?
Doug: That you want.
Andrea: That I want.
Dr. Leman: Yeah. That you receive, yeah. That you want.
Andrea: Acts of service and quality time.
Dr. Leman: Okay. So he’s got them. All right. So, acts of service and quality time. If I ask you to define what quality time meant in your life, what would Doug … I won’t even go with your kids yet. What would that be like? What would you be doing? Would you be looking-
Andrea: I would be walking and talking.
Dr. Leman: Yeah, okay. So I was going to say-
Doug: And what kind of talking though? There’s a certain kind of talking you want.
Andrea: Yeah, meaningful life thing.
Doug: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You want to know exactly emotionally how I’m doing. You want me to use emotive words that talk about, “This is how I’m feeling.” This is not bad. You want to know exactly how I feel.
Andrea: I want to make sure you’re okay.
Dr. Leman: Yeah. But that’s a communication is my whole point. So if you want to torture your wife, just run silent and run deep, Doug, and see what happens. All of a sudden, you’d just mole up and go under the grass of life.
Andrea: He’s done that before.
Dr. Leman: You’ll drive her nuts. Well, that little mole has done that. What do you do when he does that?
Andrea: You go after them more.
Dr. Leman: Don’t you force some kind of a blowout over that?
Andrea: You try and dig up the mole hole.
Doug: She throws a stick of dynamite down there and blows it up. Yes, she does at some point.
Dr. Leman: So the danger, I think for Ana down in Brazil, is if she doesn’t heed what we’re talking about today, and she goes in there and tries to make a mountain out of a molehill, she’s going to have immediate negative results. The other book that you might want to read, Ana, is Parenting your Powerful Child, because your 14 year old is powerful, and that’s a direct result of you being an authoritarian parent. So you might find some help in that as well. But my point is that women tend to be much more relational than men. Andrea is the perfect example, I think, of what I would call a positive pleaser in life. She invests in people’s time. She invests in people’s lives. And the little plant, if we could call the plant, Andrea the plant, what does she need? She needs words. She needs acts of service, kindness. She needs quality time, which is communication. And if you want to take care of that plant Andrea, you water that plant with those things.
Now Doug, in all probability, isn’t like that. It’s rare that a couple would say, “Well, we both have the same two love languages.” That just doesn’t happen very often. Once in a blue moon. So Doug, just to carry this on a little further, what would you say is your love language?
Andrea: Oh, Doug wants me to answer words of affirmation.
Dr. Leman: Yeah. All right. So there it is. But see, we’re different. So, but this could get us in trouble. I’m assuming he doesn’t need words of affirmation to the point where you’re saying to yourself, “Douglas, how many times have I told you that?” You just need those attaboys. And I think a lot of men need those words of affirmation that they’re needed or wanted by their bride. And that’s one of the things I wrote about in the book Sheet Music, as well as Have a New Sex Life by Friday, that women need to understand how much a man needs to feel needed by that bride. So we’re talking about communication, and I think problem is solved, quite frankly, if Ana will just back off a little bit and see what happens. He’ll come around. He loves his mama, I’m sure. Mama is the most important person in his life in all probability.
Doug: Yeah. Well, I just think, I’ve tried your silence to the kids, because we have a kid that’s somewhat like this and it drives me nuts too. I’ve just learned move on and love them as they are and they’re not going to talk the way I want to talk to them and that’s okay. When they want to talk, I’m ready to talk to them. But it is hard when you’re like, “What is going on inside of that head? Oh, well I guess they’ll let us know when they’ll let us know,” but Andrea has done an amazing job of keeping us on track because we have a great eBook promotion that I think actually really applies to this one too. And it is Making Children Mind Without Losing Yours for $2.99 between now and the end of June of 2020. Making Children Mind Without Losing Yours, one of Dr. Leman’s best seller books. And I think we said next time we would do an Amazon thing. So, did you have one to do?
Andrea: So here’s an Amazon review by Sydney for this book, Making Children Mind Without Losing Yours. “I started implementing Dr. Leman’s recommendations immediately while reading the book. I didn’t wait to finish the book to get started. My kids, my husband and I are all happier with the new way our house is running. I no longer make empty threats. My kids are doing what I say when I say it, mostly. And I’m no longer at my wit’s end at the end of the day. And it’s only been a week since I started changing the way I do things. I’ve always admitted that I was the problem and the reason my kids were unruly. I just didn’t know how to change it. Dr. Leman is a genius.”
Doug: So, Making Children Mind Without Losing Yours, again, if you want a foundational book to do exactly what Sydney has experienced, go get the book between now and the end of June of 2020. The other thing before we go to the parenting moment, I don’t think we mentioned the book we would gift people if they describe us. We talked all about it like-
Andrea: You did, his new book.
Doug: But we didn’t say the name. Yeah. Why Your Kid Misbehaves and What You Can Do About It.
Andrea: Do we have a timeframe for this?
Doug: Oh, yeah. We should say between now and the end of June.
Andrea: Right. I think so.
Doug: Yeah. So June of 2020, if you go to birthorderguy.com/podcastquestion, and you’re the closest to describing us, we’ll give you the brand new book, Why Your Kids Misbehave and What You Can Do About, as well. Okay. Now, a no nonsense parenting moment with Dr. Kevin Leman.
Dr. Leman: Hey, let me ask you a question, parents. How many of you woke up this morning and said, “I would like to talk to my daughter or my son about sex today”? let me see a show of hands. Okay. I see one hand from a hard of hearing person. That’s what I figured I’d see. You know what? The realities of life is we are sexual beings. God made us that way. Parents, if you’ve got a young boy in your home and he’s 12 years old, 13 years old, and you haven’t talked to him about such things as nocturnal emissions, somebody better talk with him. They’re growing up before your very eyes.
If you want some resources, I’ve written books on this subject, A Chicken’s Guide to Talking Turkey to your Kids About Sex. There are books and resources out there, but daddies, you should be talking to your daughters, mommies you should be talking to your sons. Yes, you both should be talking to your kids, but only a mom can tell a young man how women want to be treated. Only a dad could tell a daughter how men view women. This is a tough job. Do it in baby steps if you have to. Go ahead and do it.
Doug: Okay, Dr. Leman, I think for the moms out there real quickly, I say we just do a quick role play, just to help them out. So, I’ll be, what was a Brazilian 14 year old boy’s name, do you think? What would be a good one?
Andrea: What was the soccer player’s name? Pele.
Doug: Pele. I’ll be Pele. Alrighty, Dr. Leman?
Dr. Leman: Okay, Pele. Your ball.
Doug: Yeah. So I walk in the door. What would you say to me? I walk in the door and you’re sitting there.
Dr. Leman: I’d say, “Hi, Pele.”
Doug: Hi.
Dr. Leman: Then I’d turn around and do whatever I was doing.
Doug: What? Okay.
Dr. Leman: Or I might go over and just touch him briefly. Just touch his shoulder or back of the neck or whatever. Briefly. Not a big to do, just a something and leave the room.
Andrea: And why is that important?
Dr. Leman: Men love to be touched whether they admit it or not. There’s some men that don’t want to be touched, but I’m suspect of those guys, to tell you the truth. Most of us like to be touched. It’s just a little general affirmation. “I’m here. Glad you’re home. I’m not demanding or asking you any questions.” You’ll bring instant relief to the 14 year old at that point, and go about your business. That’s all.
Doug: No, I could even feel myself as a 14 year old, if my mom walked over to me and said, “Hey, Doug, good to see you,” and just touched me on the shoulder, I would be like, “Oh yeah, mom’s the best.” That’s what I would think in my head.
Dr. Leman: Yeah. And it’s not even … Just one word. Hi. You don’t have to overdo that even. Just a simple … It’s a little touch and go. Do you ever watch an airplane do touch and goes? They come in and they almost hit the runway and then they pull up and they go around again. Touch and goes. They should call them almost touch and goes because they really don’t touch most of the time.
Doug: So for all the moms out there, it is true, if you just be the positive for your boy. Like my mom, when I was 14, I was a jerk to my mom, but she just loved me through it. I love my mommy. I call my mom whenever I can and I can’t wait to be with my mom nowadays. And she was smart enough to know just to back off and let me be weird during those years.
Andrea: I don’t know. I think if I were Ana, I would be encouraged that there’s something else to try here with her son.
Doug: And when he wants to talk, he’ll talk, like me. We’re not that different.
Andrea: Yeah.
Doug: Well, Ana, I hope this has helped you give you hope on how to deal with your grunting 14 year old. It sounds like it might be pretty normal. And I hope you have the tools now to deal with him. Thank you for listening down in Brazil. It was really, really fun. Your English is beautiful and your accent was lovely. I’m glad that you’re enjoying the podcast. So in conclusion, remind everybody, Making Children Mind Without Losing Yours between now and the end of June for $2.99 wherever eBooks are sold. I forgot to add that, that it’s an eBook section.
Andrea: And a free book to anyone who can describe Doug and I according to our kids’ judgment.
Doug: Yes. At birthorderguy.com/podcastquestion, and you get the new book. Alrighty. Well, it was great to be with you today. We look forward to the next time so that you can be like Sydney, that you have the confidence on what you’re supposed to do and really just enjoy your household more and more. Take care. Bye, bye.
Andrea: Bye, bye.
]]>Today’s episode is all about responsibility, failure, and reality discipline. Learn about one of Dr. Leman’s favorite sayings on this episode of Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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Doug: I love tennis. In fact, I love watching it with my kids and my mom. And so this phrase when Dr. Lehman gave it to me the first time, I thought, “What the heck is he talking about?” And the phrase is keep the tennis ball of life in their court. Keep the what in the where and the what? We get to ask Dr. Leman, what does that phrase mean and how does it help us parent?
Hi, I’m Doug [Terpening 00:00:30].
Andrea: And I’m Andrea.
Doug: And we are so glad that you are with us today. And welcome, welcome, welcome. If this happens to be your first time, we want to let you know that this is for your education and entertainment purposes only, and if the subject matter raises any concerns for you or your child, please go seek a local professional for help.
Well, Dr. Leman, either you were a tennis player or you were a psychologist and maybe you were both, but what is this phrase keep the tennis ball of life in their court and what does that look like and what does it mean?
Dr. Leman: Well, first of all, for the sake of transparency, I hate tennis. I never could play tennis. I excelled in the sports I played, which was the traditional baseball, basketball, and some football, but tennis is one of those things I couldn’t get. But I love the idea of taking that ball and watching some pro make an unbelievable shot and puts it right back in the other guy’s court. There’s something inside of you, even if you hate tennis, that says, “Yes. Oh man, that was great.”
I’ve shared this with people before, but it’s just one of my all time favorite scriptures. If you’re a heathen, you can tune out for a minute. You don’t even listen to this. But in John 2, where Jesus changes the water to wine, Jesus’ mother, Mary, comes to Jesus and says, essentially, “Hey son, do your thing. They’ve run out of wine.”
He gives her the look and he says to her, “Woman,” calls his mother woman just to show as irritation, “What have you to do with me?” Well, she turns and says to the servant, “Do whatever my son tells you to do.”
Do you realize that Mary slam dunked the tennis ball back into the Lord’s side of the net? All she said was, Do whatever my son tells you to do.” Jesus already said no. In fact, I’ve asked theologian friends to explain that to me. They couldn’t explain it, but she put it back in Jesus’ court. Jesus does what? For whatever reason, and I don’t know that reason, he turns the water into wine. He performs his first miracle right there.
You have to keep the responsibility with kids on their side of the net. They’ll try to weasel out of it. They’ll lie. Don’t flat out lie. They’ll yell for their mother or their father, whoever is the softer one of the two of them. They’ll try to get out of things. That’s just the way it is. It’s called immaturity. That’s why God gave us parents to help guide us in the right ways.
But that whole concept is so foreign today in our society. Nobody owns up to anything. It’s somebody else’s fault. It was my poor upbringing. I didn’t have a father. I know a lot of fatherless men who’ve done great in life and women as well. Is it ideal? No, but life is full of excuses and excuses make the weak weaker. So don’t be afraid to serve that tennis ball back in your kid’s court. Again, they’ll make excuses, they’ll lie, they’ll point fingers. But the reality is if it’s on them, keep it on them. Don’t let them squirrel you away from it.
Doug: How does this actually play out in life? Let’s say the kid got called into the principal’s office, and the principal says, “Hey, your kid was caught doing something XYZ wrong.” And when you get home with your kid, your kid says, “Hey dad, it was totally unfair to me. I was just standing there and this other kid, Bobby, he’s the one that did it. And they just swept me in with it.” I mean, what you do next, does that apply in the tennis quote?
Dr. Leman: Sure. What I would say is, “Oh, is it that unfair, honey? Oh my goodness. So we need to take action here. Oh, you know, I misspoke. You need to take action here. You need to go back to Mr. so and so down at school and tell them how unfair that was to you. But let me tell you that one thing, honey, based on my experience in life, if you do that, you better come prepared.” In other words, “Hey, it’s great to come home here and tell me how you were just standing there. You didn’t do a thing. And if you were so poorly treated and this is so unfair, man, you need to take action. You need to go back to the principle.”
That kid is not going back to the principal’s office. He’s working yet. He would love you to pick up the phone and run interference for him. And that’s part of just keeping the ball on the right side of the court. That’s his job. That’s his problem.
Doug: Right. You brought it up at the beginning that it’s always somebody else’s fault in our culture. How as a parent do we … We do feel this ominousness of like, I have to defend my kid. I have to stand up for my kid. I got to stand with my kid. How do you find the balance in not stepping in at the wrong time versus letting them deal with their own issues that they’ve created? How do you know when it is?
Dr. Leman: I didn’t cheat on the exam. I didn’t steal the money. I didn’t lie. Honey, I’m hearing your tale of woe, but I got to tell you that much as I love you, I’m unimpressed. It sounds like what you’re trying to say is what you did was somebody else’s fault. Did I read you right? Is that what you’re telling me? Because if you’re trying to sell that anywhere, nobody’s going to buy it.
Doug: What about I tried out for the football team and I got cut and the kid comes home and he says, “That coach, she just, that he had it out for me and he didn’t like me.” The reality is your kid didn’t run during the summer and he didn’t lift weights and he didn’t prepare himself to even try and make it. What do you say when he comes home? About how unfair that is?
Dr. Leman: Everything you said, honey, might be very true, but the reality is that coach wants the best 45 guys on that football team. And for whatever reason, he cut you.
I’ve told the story of JV basketball. I was a little hot shot basketball player, but I’d have to admit, I was always fooling around. I didn’t take basketball very seriously. I was a pretty good ballplayer. And Mr. Power reads the list of guys and I’m so stupid. I go up to Mr. Power. I said, “Mr. Power, you skipped over my name.” He said, “I didn’t skip over your name Leman. You got cut.”
I grabbed my clothes out of my locker and I ran home in my shorts in Buffalo, New York in November, crying all the way home. I mean, I’m old, on Social Security. I remember it like it was yesterday.
I got one better than that. A guy who was trying to get me to realize that there’s something more important than myself in life, and he worked for Campus Crusade for Christ. He took me to lunch and he said to me, you’re get to love this, he says, “Hey, Kevin, let me ask you a question. When are you going to stop making an ass of yourself?”
Now, when somebody says something to you like that, you tend not to forget it. I was 19 at the time. Again, I’m an old guy now. I haven’t forgot it. Did it endure me to this guy? No, it didn’t. But it did get me thinking because the reality was that’s exactly what I was doing at that stage of my life. As a reminder, I was a janitor, I smoke on my Salem cigarettes, had my greasy hair, thought I was cool, thought I was the Fonzie of the time. And in reality, I was a dumb jerk.
You know the story. I met my wife and she was the trigger God used in my whole life, did a 180. But anyway, sometimes the bare truth is what your kids need to hear. It’s called reality. And sometimes you get people’s attention.
Doug: How do you administer reality without crushing the self esteem or crushing the spirit? How do you do that well?
Dr. Leman: I think you preface it with something on the line of, “You know honey, I love you. And that means I’d take a bullet for you, but I have to tell you that what I’ve seen from you in the past few months sickens me because you’re worth a lot more than what you’re showing. And you’re disrespect for myself, your mom, your sisters, it’s disgusting to tell you the truth. We think more of you than that. We’re very disappointed in your behavior. And I can tell you that changes will be forthcoming if you don’t make some changes in your life. I can’t make you do anything. If you want to have further discussion on this, I’d be more than happy to talk to you. I’m all ears. If I’m missing something, let me know what I’m missing, but I just want you to know how disappointed I am on what’s going on in his home. And I expect things to change quickly.”
You bury the bone with them, but you preface it with, I love you and I care about you. But if the kid’s 14 years old and knows everything and you know nothing, when they’re 19, like I was, don’t expect a miracle before your eyes. But sometimes you have to tell kids things that are very unpleasant. They love you. They want to please you actually. Behind all the facade of all the crap that they’re giving you, they actually want you to be approving of them. Well it’s hard to be approving of a kid who’s just nasty to everybody in the home.
You take the little buzzard by the beak, so to speak, and you pull them in and close to your face and you give them focused attention, and you say, “This is serious. You got to hear what I’m telling you because this does not bode well for you continuing to live in this house.” I mean, whatever the straight talk has to be, let it be firm, don’t draw, don’t leave anything unturned, say what you need to say, and then back off, reassure them that you love them and you really hope and pray that they’ll be able to make some changes. And if I can help you make those changes in any way, let me know.
The reality is, by the way parents, there’s nothing you can do. He has to make that decision, she has to make that decision.
Doug: That’s so good, Andrea, or not Andrew. You’re Dr. Leman. You’re Andrea. Dr. Leman, well …
Dr. Leman: Let me say this about that Doug. I can be Andrea if you want me to. I’m not as pretty as her though.
Doug: No, you are not, no, by a long shots, by long shots, no.
Dr. Leman: You know what would be fun to do on our podcast is ask people just to call in and give a description of Doug Terpening and Andrea, what do they look like? Wouldn’t it be fun to do? Because people hear your voices and they have a picture in their mind of what you look like. And that would be fun to hear what people think Doug Terpening looks like, what Andrea Terpening looks like. So if you want to take us up on that call in and describe Doug or Andrea or both.
Doug: I probably have fangs and long fingernails and Andrea has perfect hair and it’s flowing [crosstalk 00:12:59].
Andrea: Not at all.
Doug: That’s so funny.
Andrea: It’d be hilarious to see what you think.
Doug: That would be hilarious to see. Well, that would be fun. I would be remiss not to tell you this, because honestly, this is one of those things, we’ve been doing this ebook promotions for awhile. I know I say this every now and then, but I just got to tell you, this one that [Revel] has given you is gold and that is making children mind without losing yours for $2.99 from now until the end of June of 2020, wherever eBooks are sold. This book has sold millions for a reason because it has helped so many parents. I’m just telling you, when we recommend books to people, this is one of them that we tell them, get this one. It’ll give you the roadmap to where you want to go.
I wish next time we do this, Andrea, we have to start reading the Amazon reviews for people so they can see it for themselves.
Andrea: I agree.
Doug: We just didn’t come prepared for that today because you’ll see what people are saying about this book and say, “I should absolutely get that.” You get that book and you go get Dr. Leman’s new book, “Why Your Kid Misbehaves and What to Do About It, you put those two books together and you’ll be like, “Honey, our parenting is going to be so much better. We’re going to have the freedom to know what to do. We’re going to have the confidence on what to do,” and it’s just going to help you so much.
Please, for your sake, $2.99 is not a lot of money. And it is like, trust me, it’s worth it. Even if you don’t agree with Dr. Leman, just to wrestle with this and then try one or two of those things and you’d be like, “Oh, that was well worth it.”
Between now and the end of June, Making Children Mind Without Losing Yours, great companion to the new book, Why Your Kid Misbehaves and What to Do About It. And now a no nonsense parenting moment with Dr. Kevin Leman.
Dr. Leman: I love to ask families, particularly parents, do you have a port of call on the ocean of life? Do you know where you’re going? So many times we get caught up in the minutia of getting kids to their orthodontist appointment and getting them to their activities that we fail to really show our children hey, we do have port of call. We know where we’re going as a family.
Now this goes back to articulating your family values to your kids. Hopefully that’s done through your church, whatever that faith might be, the values that you instill in your children ought to be the ones that you hold the dearest. It’s always a reminder.
I remember when our kids were growing up and they went out for an evening, I’d always say to them, “Remember, you’re a Leman.” Someone once asked me at a seminar, “What does that mean?” I said, “I don’t have a clue what it means, but remember, you’re a Leman.” In other words, there’s an expectation that you will conduct yourself in a way that’s consistent with the family values that we adhere to.
Do you have a port of call? What are you going to do when these kids leave the nest? Are they going to leave as giving, caring individuals or hedonistic little suckers who care only about themselves? That’s the question. All right. Do a good job, not a great job, just a good job and I’ll be happy.
Doug: Dr. Leman, this actually is one of the concepts that’s helped us out a ton, Andrea and I, but here is where we still trip up on this concept, and that is that we get afraid that if we leave the tennis ball on their side of the court, they’re going to whiff and fail. They’re going to fail the science project that they just forgot to turn in and they’re going to fail at this. How do I deal with that overwhelming sense that they’re going to miss the ball?
Dr. Leman: You just need to know the Christian home was a place where kids ought to learn failure. If they fail, it’s not the end of the world, it’s an experience. It’s one strike. They’re still in the game. So don’t get hung up about that. Okay parents? I know it’s hard for you to see that, but talk to anybody who’s successful, they’re going to tell you there was failure in their life. So hang in there, be a support to your kids, love them anyway, and remember it was their non-effort that got them that grade. It was their non-being involved. It was their non-doing the research. It was non-putting the time in. I mean, there’s a reason for it. It’s not a conspiracy.
Doug: That’s really good.
Andrea: That’s really good to remember.
Doug: Dr. Leman, in your experience, the kid gets the bad grade once, what happens the next time?
Dr. Leman: He may get a bad grade again, or he might improve, and that’s where you pull your vitamin E and say, “Wow, I’m really impressed. You moved up two letter grades.” That’s the vitamin E.
Doug: It’s like in our experience, I know we’ve told this story before, but our kids make 4H projects and we’ve learned, let it be crooked and let it be unpainted and they learn because somebody comes around and critiques it and says, “Here’s all the things you’ve done wrong.” It helps them. It’s a third party, not us, that has to tell them be thoughtful and caring.
Dr. Leman: It’s better for somebody else to do that. Yeah, you’re right.
Doug: Keep the tennis ball of life in their court and it just relieves a lot of pressure from you. As a reminder, again, I know I just said it, but I can’t encourage you enough to go get Making Children Mind Without Losing Yours, between now and the end of June, where ebook is sold. You will not regret it. And as always, the brand new book is written, so for today, for us parents that are dealing with these new realities, Why Your Kid Misbehaves and What to Do About It, can’t be any simpler than that. That’s the question you’re asking. That’s [inaudible] solve it.
Thanks for being with us. We love helping you add to that parenting toolbox to have the confidence on how to parent. Take care.
Andrea: Bye bye.
Doug: Have a good day. Bye.
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Doug: So you’ve listened to Dr. Leman’s podcast and read his books and you’ve said, “I have to change.” And you realize, whoops, I’ve been the enabler, and that’s why I’m changing. But you don’t feel like your kid is changing with you. How do you deal with that? What does that look like? And what can we learn from Dr. Leman? That’s the question that you asked that we get to ask Dr. Leman for you.
Hi, I’m Doug Terpening.
Andrea: And I’m Andrea.
Doug: And we are so glad that you are with us, and welcome if this is your first time. I want to let you know, this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or your child, please go seek a local professional for help.
And today we get a question from one of our podcast listeners, and it is absolutely one of our joys. If you want to leave one, you can go to birthorderguide.com/podcastquestion. Well, let us jump into Andrea’s question. Here we go.
Andrea: Hi, Dr. Leman, I would like to first say that I have been listening to as many podcasts as I can a day and reading as many of your books as I can. I was just told about you by a friend maybe three weeks ago, and so I’m learning so much. But my question is a followup to the part two on making a child a successful student. I am a teacher myself. So let me say that reading in our home has been something I’ve done from day one. And I’ve done all the “right things” you’re supposed to do academically, from when they’re born until now.
But my question is about my seventh grader. His name is Smith, and he has ADHD. He sees an endocrinologist for his small stature, and he has always struggled academically. His confidence in school and life is very low. And I will admit, I have enabled him. We have tried to compensate for this and help him. I felt guilty about it, all of that. But what I’m trying to ask here is how do I change this? Because when I just walk away and have him do the studying on his own for tests, and he fails, he just says he’s stupid, he can’t do it, and he doesn’t try anymore. So I need help with that student that isn’t motivated by the grade because he doesn’t think he can do it. Thank you.
Dr. Leman: Well, the first thing I would say is you do own up to the fact that you’ve enabled him. So he has “learned” not to be successful in school. And now, you say you’ve done a lot of the right things, and you’re a teacher. And I hope you’ll take this first suggestion seriously, because I think it’s a key to help. I would find a young lady, maybe a freshman in high school, to tutor him. He needs somebody else. Mom is already an admitted enabler. So with all due respect, you’re not the best one, even though you are a teacher, to help your seventh grader. I would find the prettiest, vivacious, smart freshmen girl I could find. And I would pay her to come to your home for maybe just an hour a night, four nights a week, maybe two hours a night.
It’d be her little job. It’s like babysitting, only she’s babysitting your cute seventh grade son. I think that’s the best way to encourage him and help him, because I think he’s already shut off all possibilities that he can do this. That’s a lie that he tells himself. Just because you got ADHD doesn’t mean you can’t achieve in school. You know that. But he needs focused attention, and I think that young lady can help motivate him to do well. You pull the freshmen aside, you tell her, he’s got ADHD, he’s had problems for years. He’s never seen himself as successful.
Now here’s my concern. The reality of how he sees himself is the reality. In other words, your perception of how you see yourself, that’s who you are from behind your eyes. And that has to change. So 14-year-old tutor might need a little encouraging from you, as to how to slip him some commercial announcements, so that when she leaves and he’s done his homework with her, that she has slipped him a good dosage of vitamin E. Say “Hey, I was really pleased with how you did that. So you’re getting it. You’re coming along. I’m proud of you,” that kind of thing. He needs a little coaching up, so to speak, because his self image is so negative. So it keeps you out of the picture.
The other thing I want you to think about. Mom, is what’s really important here. What I didn’t hear is what kind of a kid your son was. And I would pay more attention. I know the question’s about ADHD and learning, but I would pay more attention to what’s in that kid’s heart than what’s in academics for him right now. That’s really important.
Andrea: And what would that look like? Would that be using vitamin E to talk to him about his good character traits or-
Dr. Leman: Yes, his character traits.
Andrea: Paint us a picture.
Dr. Leman: I think when you’re a teacher on top of that, you sort of magnify the importance of doing well in school. And don’t get me wrong, doing well in school is obviously great. But at the expense of what? Does he really know that he’s loved as he is? And again, it’s not what you do, honey, that makes me so proud. It’s who you are that makes me so proud to be your mom. It’s who you are. It’s the judgment you make, the kindness I see in your life, the consideration for other people. Those are the important subjects that I think are taught within the confines of the home. So I wouldn’t… I know you’re concerned, your phone call tells me you’re concerned, and you have reason to be concerned, but you’re consulting with your physician, and you didn’t mention if you were medicating him specifically for the ADHD, but there’s all kinds of ways to encourage kids who have ADHD.
But I think we miss the boat, if the kid walks away thinking I’m a failure because I struggle in school. He’s had 12 or 13 years of struggling in school, apparently. And so what’s going to turn that around? He’s got to see himself differently. I go back to reality is how you see yourself, and that has to change. And that outside tutor, I think, is worth gold. Again, I’d go really looking for somebody who’s outgoing, got a great personality, and sort of a natural encourager by themselves. And trust me, that seventh grade boy, looking at that young lady that’s two years older than him, he could pay attention to every word she says, I think.
Doug: How does he… Going back to Andrea’s question, I really find that fascinating that you’re saying the reality, what he thinks about himself is what we care the most about. So Mom can give vitamin E about things that she sees. But school is so important in how we value ourselves, and there’s so much social pressure there on how you perform. Are there specific things that she could do to remove that or downplay that?
Dr. Leman: I just think the simple… A dialogue about the fact that I’m so proud to be your mom. And it forces us to look at what traits does my son have that I don’t see in other children? She’s a teacher. She sees kids. They’re hedonistic little suckers. They care about themselves. They’re very superficial, most of them. What do you see in your kid that makes you proud to say, “Hey, yeah, I’m his mom.” And talk about those things. And is this kid mechanically minded? Lots of times these kids who don’t do well in school, for whatever reason, they can tear anything down and put it back together again. If that’s his inclination, wow, I’d start thinking about the future and what a kid like that can do. Those kids can make big money, have good jobs.
Doug: So Dr. Leman, for that mom that is that critic, that she just can’t turn that off for whatever reason, or that, like you said, as a teacher school would be so important to her, are there specific words that would help someone like that be able to know this would be meaningful to my kid? Is it that I’m proud to be your mom, or is it specifically a trait or a step that they did? What would be specific words that a kid could be able to believe that their mom thinks they’re good? Or Dad? Shouldn’t just pick on Mom. Or Dad?
Dr. Leman: Well, again, I just think you focus in… On make a list. What are the things that really make you happy about your son or your daughter? Talk about those things, and how important they are, and how you see them paying off in life for him later on or her later on. It’s just an ongoing dialogue. But I wouldn’t be telling him. I would try to form a conversation that’s based upon your son or daughter’s opinion about things. Opinion will always open doors. Questions shut doors, shuts down communication. They feel like they have to come up with the right answer. But I’d love to know what that kid dreams about, and how he sees himself in 10 years, at age 22. And how do you want to be seen by others? And what about friendships? What kind of a friend is this kid?
Doug: Yeah. Okay. I’m slow, but you’re saying Mom, you step out of the role of pushing school, put the tutor and the school in there, and you just be mom and be relational with this kid.
Dr. Leman: Yeah. You’re the emotional cheerleader for your kid.
Doug: And just be with him. Andrea, you thrive at that. That’s your sweet spot.
Dr. Leman: The fact that she’s a teacher doesn’t help in this situation.
Andrea: She sees the school issues.
Dr. Leman: But that teacher might have a friend who teaches, who has that 14-year-old daughter who would be perfect.
Doug: Well, when we come back, we’ll ask Mrs. Terpening about her tutoring experience with giving her kids tutors recently here. So, but before we do that, I want to make sure I remind everybody that this month, you can get the ebook Born to Win for a $1.99, between now and the end of May of 2020.
And you know that a couple of weeks ago, we were also just talking about Dr. Leman’s brand new book, Why Your Kid Misbehaves and What You Can Do About It. And I’m just telling you, it’s one of these winners again. It’s so practical, so simple that people are already starting to say, wow, thank you for describing what my kids went through and were going through, and how I was contributing negatively to it, and what I can do about it in action steps, not fluffy whatevers. So if you haven’t gotten it yet, I cannot encourage you enough to go get Why Your Kid Misbehaves and What You Can Do About It. I’m just telling you, you’re just going to love it. And go look at the Amazon reviews about what people are saying about it. It’s phenomenal. So for your sake, the reason we do this whole podcast, the only reason we’re doing this, is because it’s impacted Andrea and Doug’s family. And we know it will help yours. Read the book. And you will think us for generations, decades, and decades about how it’s helped you. And now a no nonsense parenting moment with Dr. Kevin Leman.
Dr. Leman: A, acceptance. B, belonging. And here’s the trilogy. Competence. Not confidence. Competence. Those are the building blocks for a healthy personality of a young person growing up in your home. How does your kid feel competent? He feels competent when you don’t redo the effort that he has made in the home, whatever it is. When you don’t straighten things up and make it perfect. The message is, I respect your hard work and your effort. Am I saying that if something is absolutely slipshod work, that somehow you accept that? No. In fact, one of the things about competence is, “Honey, I see your room isn’t done. When your room is done, then you can go next door and play with your little guy friend.”
Holding kids accountable is part of competence. But don’t be overcritical. If the project is worthy, if it’s a good job, let it be a good job. It doesn’t have to be perfect. And when you say, “Honey, I appreciate your work in the home,” that’s part of building competence in your kid’s life. Remember ABC, acceptance, belonging, competence. For further reading on that subject, see Making Children Mind Without Losing Yours or Have a New Kid by Friday. Goodreads.
Doug: Alrighty, Andrea. So recently, you finally have given in to tutoring with your kids because you finally realized that you hate math, and you stink at math.
Andrea: And chemistry.
Doug: And chemistry. How is having a tutor helping your children? What would you say? Because you’re a homeschool mom, so you’re kind of like this teacher, your identity is kind of tied up in this.
Andrea: Even more so because, yeah, they’re my kids.
Doug: What has a tutor done for education in this home?
Andrea: Well, now I don’t have to try and do the math with them, and I don’t have to try and learn it while they’re learning it. And it takes all the tension out of the… The emotion is gone because before, I was struggling with it myself. So there was a lot of emotion. So it would heighten the emotion. And now they get to just deal with their tutor.
Doug: And what about our kids about their tutor? Do they hate to go see our tutor, or what do they think about going to see the tutor?
Andrea: They actually enjoy their tutor. Their tutor actually happens to be their aunt, and they get to Skype with her. So now they have a once a week meeting with her, and of course, they don’t just talk about the math, but they get to talk about life and laugh with her. And it’s been… Now they’re motivated. They’re excited to get things ready for their tutor time, and they come away with a fresh perspective and encouraged, because she is a math teacher, and she can really tell all of us, “They’re doing really well. They’re doing great. They’re going to get this.” And so it’s been a win-win all around.
Doug: So Dr. Leman, your advice about getting tutors, we finally, after years of struggle have given into, and I’m just telling you, it’s gold. People that are good at tutoring make it so much easier. And I think, exactly what you said, our kids had turned out… turned Mrs. Terpening a deaf ear to her on certain things, and it’s come alive to them.
Dr. Leman: Yeah, if there’s issues in school, parents, it’s so good to make an appointment, go in and talk to the assistant principal, and let the assistant principal haul that kid out of class and say, “Hey, I want to talk to you about something.” Let that third person do it. That’s another advantage of having a tutor. It’s like teaching your husband to drive or your wife to drive or your kids to drive. And I taught four of the five how to drive. But when the fifth one came along, I was done. I was spent. I was like a salmon who had run my course. And thank you for Mr. D’s driving school. Because that’s now Mr. D’s problem to teach my 16-year-old how to drive.
My wife had Lauren out, and she told her that she had to make a left hand turn down here. Well, she’s in the right hand lane. And so all of a sudden, without anything, she does this almost U-turn from the right lane, turning left. It’s just amazing that both of them are alive today. So again, that third person can make a difference in your kid’s life.
Doug: Absolutely.
Andrea: Thanks for that little driving scenario, as our last child is supposed to get her permit today.
Dr. Leman: In one of the Leman books… In fact, one of you guys who got better memories than me, I tell a story in… It might be Making Children Mind Without Losing Yours, but I’m teaching my firstborn daughter how to drive. And she stopped at an intersection, finally, for the red light that I thought for sure she was going to go through, right in the middle of the intersection. She stops. We live in a community of a million people. She’s in a main… and what do I do? Bright psychologist, I jump out of the car in the middle of the intersection, open her door. And I say, as lovingly as I can, “Out!”
And my daughter, Holly, who is an English teacher by trade, she wrote the cutest short story about learning to drive. And she describes that. She said, “Who is this man to my left, who had this purple hue in his face? And I realized it was my father, and he seemed to be doing some type of a war dance in the middle of the street, and then he yanked open the door.” It’s funny to read. I wish I could remember it verbatim because it really was hilarious.
But parents, you can do this. I know you love your kids. And I want you to know, I loved all five of mine. I’d take a bullet for any of them, but you have to really take time for training and keeping responsibility where it belongs and helping kids through the bumps of life is important, but above everything else, they have to know you have their back and you love them. Don’t ever forget that.
Doug: Amen. I appreciate that close because that’s what Dr. Leman’s books are all about, to be honest with you, is he gives you a roadmap on how to do that. So we’re all trying to guess as brand new parents, because we’re all brand new parents the first time. And I’m telling you, as a guy who raises his hands and says best thing that ever happened to me was reading those books. Just do it for your sake. And I know I just mentioned it, but I’m going to mention it again because it’s brand new, fresh content, today’s issues, Why Your Kid Misbehaves and What to Do About It. I’m just telling you, you go get it, you read it, and then you can email me and say, “Wow, Doug, thanks. That really helps me.” So this just helps you love your kids more. If that’s what you want to do, it’s what it teaches you how to do it, to be honest.
So well, it was great to be with you today. We love being with you and adding to that parenting tool box so that you can love those kids, really, in an easier way.
Andrea: Have a great day.
Doug: We look forward to the next time. Take care. Bye-bye.
Andrea: Bye-bye.
]]>How many warnings do you give your kids before you take disciplinary action? One might just be too many. Dr. Leman discusses why warnings are disrespectful in this episode of Have a New Kid by Friday Podcast.
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Doug: Hey, Johnny, you need to pick up your room or I am going to. Hey, Sally, you have to do the dishes or else. Hey, Sally, you have to do the dishes. Sally, the dishes. Sally, the dishes. One of the most provocative things Dr. Leman told me is warnings are disrespectful, and that’s what we get to talk about today. Hi, I’m Doug Terpening.
Andrea: And I’m Andrea.
Doug: And we are so glad that you are with us. Welcome, welcome, welcome. If this happened to be your first time with us, I want to let you know this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or your child, please go seek a local professional for help. Well, Dr. Leman, on today’s episode, we’re talking about this concept that you gave us that warnings are disrespectful. What does that mean, and what is that?
Dr. Leman: Well, we’ve trained kids systematically in our culture not to pay attention to what we say. And we essentially by warning them tell kids, “We think you’re so stupid. We have to tell you three times to do something.” If you want kids to listen, you need to be action oriented. Tell them once, walk away, let the situation, the reality of the situation become the teacher to the child. When you ask them to do something as simple as, “Honey, the dishes. Dinner’s over. You know the routine,” and they’re not done, are you going to really go and take her away from talking on her phone by the ear and drag her into the kitchen and said, “Hey, I told you, you need to do these dishes,” well, that’s a prescription for disaster.
It’s one of the first steps in creating a powerful child. It puts you in an authoritarian position, which your daughter or son is going to dig in on and rebel one way or another. But the reality is if those dishes aren’t done and you happen to drive that 11 year old daughter to school in the morning, and you haven’t said a thing and those dishes are still sitting there, and she’s 11, she can’t find her shoes. Mom, where’s my red sweater?” You know the drill in the morning, and all of a sudden she’s ready to go out the door. “Mom, mom, we’re going to be late.” “Yes, honey, we are going to be late.” “Mom, what are you talking about?” “Honey, the dishes are still sitting in the kitchen sink.”
Now, you tell me what’s better, to hound and remind that kid, or to say, “Honey, when the dishes are done, I’ll be glad to get in the car. I’ll even warm it up for you, and we’ll proceed to school.” That’s a teachable moment, my friends.
Doug: Andrea, your mom.
Andrea: Yup.
Doug: We just heard this scenario, right? Sally didn’t do the dishes. She wants to be driving to work. Could you do that? What would stop you from doing that do you think?
Andrea: Oh, it’s just natural to ask again. It’s very hard to follow through on the negative consequence of not taking them, not giving them what they’re used to getting, or whatever. Yeah, I am definitely one that’s guilty of asking more than once, or since I know this principle from Dr. Leman, I might do other subtle reminders. Maybe not outright asking.
Dr. Leman: We know.
Andrea: It’s confession time.
Dr. Leman: Again, for having authored books, like Have a New Kid by Friday and Why Children Misbehave and What to Do About It, parents who pick those books up are needy. There’s things going on in their home they don’t like. And I’ve often stood up before an audience and said, “In reference to the Have a New Kid by Friday book,” I said, “This book is a scam,” and everybody laughs. And I said, “You could have a new kid by Wednesday.” Well, what do I mean by that? I mean, it doesn’t take long to change kids’ behavior if you’ll take the proverbial bull by the horns to make it happen. There’s lots of reasons why Andrea or Sally or Jackie wouldn’t be able to pull that off.
Because number one, they haven’t had experience at pulling that kind of thing off of their kids. There’s got to be another way so she’s not late for school because I don’t like her being late for school. I know she doesn’t like being late for school. Her grades will suffer. I mean, you come up with a plethora of excuses. But again, if you really want to change your kid’s behavior, then you must be in an action oriented mood. And you have to take action. You have to stick to your guns, follow through. It doesn’t take much to turn that get around quite frankly.
Doug: I think I’ve listened to 300 plus times and many more beyond that, and you have used this phrase, and I think we need to do a podcast about, and that is you say you need to be action oriented. I now understand what that means, but here’s what we have learned to affirm that. Action orientated means you’re not verbally telling the kids. You are just doing consequences. Is that right?
Dr. Leman: Well, yeah. We’re letting the reality of the situation. In the scenario I drew for our listeners, the situation is the dishes. This goes back to a basic principle and that is B doesn’t happen until A gets completed. But if you want a better relationship with your child, you want honest communication with your child, you want your child to respect you and listen to you, I’m just asking both of you. Once that mother pulls that trigger and says, “Honey, I’d be glad to drive you down to school, but the dishes are still sitting in the sink.” Again, your kid will promise you anything. Just wipe that out of your mind because they’re shallow promises. They don’t get us to where we need to be.
We want our kids to learn to listen to us, and we need kids to be responsible in the home. If they’re not responsible in the home, folks, tell me how they’re going to be responsible in the real world?
Doug: For us, we struggle with this because we love warnings. Yet, Andrea, we just had this scenario like the dishes scenario with one of our kids. And what I realized is at the end of it, by being… I literally was having you in my head, right? This concept of don’t give warnings actions. The problem was the moment of pulling the trigger on the action is so stressful and anxious-filled, but it is way less stressful than ongoing fighting, reminding, and just that internal burn within us of like, why won’t this kid get it, that you only have to do it once. You have like this little peak of whatever, bad emotions, or whatever you want to call it, and then it’s over because you only have to do it once. Right,
Andrea? Wouldn’t you say?
Andrea: Yeah. I mean, it might be three months later that they need to have a go-around again.
Doug: But it’s not that constant.
Andrea: It’s not a constant daily thing over and over.
Doug: And Dr. Leman, I’ll be honest, we stole your idea, and that was pay the other kid to do the activity that they’re not doing. And that is like the charm. That’s like the goal. Except this time, you know what Andrea slid in? She said, “You’re going to pay me. I’m taking it out of your allowance.”
Andrea: Yeah, why not, right? I’ll take the garbage out if I get five bucks.
Dr. Leman: It’s easier to do it yourself. They’re just dishes, a mother told herself. And if a mom can’t go and chill and watch a mindless show or curl up with a good book, and when she tries to do that, she hears in the back of her mind, “The kitchen is dirty. The dishes are still there. Yuck,” and it drives some parents up the wall. And that’s why they’ll go ahead and do it themselves. But this 11 year old girl that I created for our listeners, this is a constant thing with her. Talking to her is like talking to the wall. She’s mother deaf because she knows everything you’re going to say. She’s daddy deaf too. And if you want to see that turn around, use an action oriented process as simple as B doesn’t start until A gets done.
And I guarantee you that kid will be a listener because that kid is going to suffer the real consequence of not doing what they knew they had to do, and it works. And if you don’t do that, then don’t be emailing me with all your problems with your kids. Okay? I’m telling you, this stuff is absolutely simple.
Andrea: I have a question about this because this is a real honest question where the rubber meets the road. What if telling them no to their B affects me? Like I wanted to go to this event as well, or I’m expected to be there. I mean, you could come up with a plethora of things. Then it’s hard because now all of a sudden I have to pay the consequence with them.
Dr. Leman: That’s the whole point of family. No one member is more important than the family itself. But when someone is not responsible, we end up paying for it. It’s very unfair. That’s why you go to great lengths to get that kid who’s not hitting on all eight cylinders to start paying attention to what their responsibility is in this home. I should have been a preacher. I’m preaching today.
Doug: Well, but it’s really good because I think… Here’s what I want to say again just to reinforce this concept, you only have to do this once, maybe twice, and your kids’ behavior changes. The warnings are every day and it just drives you nuts. Right, Andrea?
Andrea: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Doug: And you only have to do this action orientated, you don’t take them to school once, they have to walk, they don’t get to go to their friend’s house once, they don’t get to go to do some activity once, they miss movie night with the family once, and it pretty much solves itself, which feels terrible, but it’s just the actual… Andrea, wouldn’t you say it’s just the actual like moment with the child when you tell them no and you walk out the door without them that’s like the hard part?
Andrea: Yes.
Doug: And then after that, it’s kind of easy. The next day the sun comes out and the flowers bloom.
Andrea: The sun still comes up.
Dr. Leman: Okay. Let’s interject the really powerful child who when you say, “I’m not driving to school until those dishes are done, okay?” And the kid doesn’t do the dishes. Okay? What do you do? What do you do? Number one, you call school on the QT and let them know what’s going on. Then you have them call either the kid’s cell phone or the home phone. “This is Mrs. Jones from school. I’m recording you absent today. Are you ill?” Okay, that’s an 11 year old kid talking to an adult. What’s that 11 year old going to say? She’s caught off guard. In other words, what I’m saying is if a kid digs in and becomes powerful, it just stacks up on them day after day.
If they’re late, for example, let’s say the kid goes through this dog and pony show three consecutive days where you have to do this, and now they’re late three times, now she gets called out of class and gets to talk to the vice principal of the school, who’s the disciplinarian, and they’re not happy. Now the kids not only getting it at home, they’re getting it at school. Life is a series of consequences based upon our actions. And I’m just saying that, “Hey, parents, you want to turn things around. You can turn things around quickly, and you have to get to why your kid is misbehaving.” And it’s called purposeful behavior, and kids will pull your chain as long as you will allow them to pull it.
It’s easy to turn it around, but you have to be determined.
Doug: And you got to have the guts to do it, at least for me and Andrea. I shouldn’t say that for everybody. Okay. I totally forgot to tell you about a great opportunity, and I’m a little rusty here. I want to mention that there is a chance to get a great Leman book for a phenomenal price. It’s an e-book. It is Born to Win. $1.99 from now until the end of May of 2020. Dr. Leman, what is Born to Win about?
Dr. Leman: Well, it’s about those people, basically those firstborns and only children, who tend to do us middles and babies in. They out achieve us. In fact, there’s empirical studies that show that firstborn children and only born children have higher IQs than the rest of us. With that creativity and that drive to become number one and do well in school and life, sometimes there’s a price that’s paid for that as well. It’s a look basically at the patterns that firstborn and only children develop as a result of their position in the family. And they literally are born to win because almost any statue look at in terms of achievement, firstborns and only borns will outrank the rest of us.
If you’re a first born, you’re going to love this book. If you’re a last born, I wouldn’t go near it.
Doug: And if you’re a parent of a firstborn, it’ll probably be helpful to read it to know what they’re thinking, if you’re not a firstborn themselves.
Dr. Leman: Good point. Yeah.
Doug: Yeah. Alrighty. And now before we do role playing on this concept, a no nonsense moment with Dr. Kevin Leman.
Dr. Leman: The last time we talked about acceptance and how important it is, well, let me give you the B part, belonging. Your kid is going to belong somewhere, and it’s really important that they identify with a home that’s a safety net, okay? Every kid is going to belong somewhere. And if they don’t fit into the home, they’re going to go out and fit out the peer group. And again, that’s going to be a negative experience. To give you a little heads up, acceptance, belonging, and next time we’re going to talk about competence, those are the building blocks of rearing a self-reliant, confident kit. What have you done today to make your kid feel like they belong? You’ve made them clean the garage. I liked that idea.
See, that’s part of it. It’s just not a free ride. It’s everybody gives back to the family as well. And remember, no one member of the family is better than the family itself. So A and B. Listen, next time, we’ll do C.
Doug: Okay. Dr. Leman, let’s do a quick role play so that parents can actually hear how you would deal with the situation. We have a 14 year old who is not cleaning their room. Well, you wouldn’t do a cleaning room. We’ll do… What should we do, Andrea?
Andrea: Fourteen-year-old?
Doug: That’s responsible to…
Andrea: To take out the trash.
Doug: Take out the trash. 14 year old is responsible to take out the trash. They play basketball, and they’ve been invited over to a birthday party at a friend’s house. So they do both of those. I’ll let you choose which one you want to do. It’s the evening. It’s after school. They’re there.
Andrea: The garbage truck comes tomorrow morning.
Doug: No, the garbage truck has come and gone, and he didn’t take the trash out.
Andrea: He didn’t do it.
Doug: He didn’t take the trash out. I am the 14 year old, and I hop up and I say, “Alrighty, dad. Let’s go. Here we go.”
Dr. Leman: James, I’d love to help you. But first of all, I need to tell you how really disappointed I am in what you did, or to put it more bluntly, what you didn’t do last night. There’s not a person in our home, even our six year old can tell you that Monday is garbage day. Okay? And it’s still sitting there in the garage. And quite frankly, it stinks, and I am very unhappy. In terms of you going anywhere, you’re not going anywhere. Okay? This is very disappointing. In fact, until that garbage is dealt with, I wouldn’t plan on going anywhere. That’s a blunt statement and I drop it right there. You’re not going anywhere.
Doug: Hey, dad.
Dr. Leman: Yeah, go ahead.
Doug: Hey, dad. Hey, dad. Wow. You know, I’m so sorry. I really wanted to get the trash out, and yet I had that big project for school I had to get done and basketball was really hard. I mean, I was tired. Coach just ran us ragged. You know what? Hey, dad, how about you help me find a way? Could we create a system so this doesn’t happen again? That would be great.
Dr. Leman: Honey, you have very few jobs in this house. One of them is the garbage detail. I know it’s not the best job in the world, but you are the oldest and that is your job. I want to tell you as plainly and lovingly as I can, I’m not solving this problem. This isn’t my problem. It’s your problem. You figure out a way to deal with that trash.
Doug: Okay. Here’s what I’ll do, I’ll make sure it’s out there on Saturday. This coming Saturday I’ll like put a huge note in my phone and a big thing right by my bed that says “trash this Saturday,” and I’ll have it done, Dad. I’ve got it. Great. I’ve got it solved. Can we go?
Dr. Leman: Go out in the garage and just take a whiff. What is that going to smell like by Saturday?
Doug: How in the world am I going to do anything with that?
Dr. Leman: I have no idea how you’re going to deal with it, but you’re going to deal with it, not me.
Doug: But dad, that’s like not until Monday. That’s like six days away.
Dr. Leman: You know what? You’re a creative kid. You figure it out.
Doug: Dad, that’s like so unfair. This is like totally wrong.
Dr. Leman: Honey, I’m preparing you for life. Life isn’t fair.
Doug: I hate you. Fine. All my friends are going to think I’m weird now, dad, and I’m just going to be called a loser. And you don’t care.
Dr. Leman: You can think what you want to think. I’m telling you the garbage is your problem. You deal with it. Use that creative brain that God gave you to figure out how to take care of that garbage because it can’t wait until Saturday, obviously.
Doug: Hey, mom. Hey, mom. Can I talk to you for a moment?
Dr. Leman: Coward. Here’s the point, what I’m thinking when I’m saying, “Hey, you can solve this,” he probably has friends. They might even be in the same block or two that have a different garbage service. Depending upon where you live, sometimes the city picks up the garbage. Where the Leman’s live, I know in our neighborhood there’s three different trash companies that come and pick up your trash. I mean, if you want to be real creative-
Andrea: He should make a deal with his friend.
Dr. Leman: Yeah. Put this on the kid. Don’t let them slip away. Again, if you want that kid to be responsible, you have to teach him responsibility. You have to hold them accountable. I love parents who give all the lip service to that. Oh, we love holding our kid accountable until they have to, and then they find reasons to bail them out, make excuses for them.
Doug: Andrea, do you think you could have… If our kid hadn’t done the trash, could you have said this, “You’re not doing anything. You’re not leaving the house until that’s solved.”
Andrea: Well, I know I haven’t. How’s that for an answer?
Dr. Leman: You’re being a different partner there. You have the sweetest, easiest, softest hearted woman in the State of Oregon.
Doug: That’s so awesome, Andrea. You’re the best.
Dr. Leman: You need a lady wrestler.
Andrea: I have a question though. In that scenario, the assumption is this kid knows this is his chore, right? It’s on his chore list, and sometimes we ask our kids to do something and you just say it once and walk away. But if it’s already on their chore list and they haven’t… Like dishes, for example, and you’re headed to bed, you see them heading to bed. You know they know they’re supposed to do the dishes. Is this say at once and walk away principle still valid? Can I say, “Hey Johnny, I noticed you haven’t done the dishes yet today.”
Doug: That’s a reminder. That’s a warning.
Andrea: Look, Doug even has the answer for me.
Doug: Sorry, Dr. Leman.
Andrea: Softhearted Andrea is just checking.
Dr. Leman: She is so easy. Yeah, no.
Andrea: At that point, if they know it’s on their chore list, you shouldn’t say anything at all, right?
Dr. Leman: Let’s talk about a list for a second. I think a family calendar is a great thing. For example, if you get one of those big calendars and you put it either at a central location where everybody has access to it, or better yet, if you can find one, you can append to your refrigerator door. I even liked that better because kids are always going in the refrigerator, so is mom and dad. And like garbage days, if it’s Friday in your home, every month that Friday could have a yellow hue to it as a reminder to whoever the garbage person is that garbage needs to be out on the street on Friday morning. Those kinds of reminders, I like them because it’s a family calendar that James has soccer and Anna’s got something else.
It’s difficult with the busy world we live in just to keep up with our own children. But again, the home is primary and that’s our teaching mantle, if you will, for our kids. And so these things shouldn’t be taken lightly, and the good guy or good girl in us that wants to help our children out sometimes gets in the way of them really learning to be responsible. And that’s what you have to guard against. For those of you who are new to our podcast, you’re thinking, “Man, this guy Leman, he’s like a military guy.” Well, no, that’s not true. I got a great heart. I got a great relationship with my kids. They’re all responsible kids and then some, but they were held accountable, and I was not afraid to pull a rug out.
I let them tumble when they needed to tumble, and that’s part of being a parent. If you think it’s not, then you’re probably not going to enjoy the rest of these podcasts.
Doug: I really appreciate you wrapping up with that, and I just want to echo it. Since we’ve implemented these changes, by actions and not warnings, I think our relationship has gone up, not down. And that our kids love us more, not less. Just like Dr. Leman said, because we treat them better actually. It sounds counterintuitive, but I want to affirm that 100%. Warnings wear us all out. Well, thank you for listening with us today. A quick reminder, go get Born to Win, if you have a first born or if you are a firstborn, for a $1.99 between now and the end of May of 2020. And we love doing this with you. And as always, you can go to birthorderguy.com/podcastquestions, or see where Dr. Leman is going to be speaking.
And we just look forward to the next time we get to be with you and add to that parenting toolbox. Hope you have a fabulous and wonderful day.
Andrea: Have a good day.
Doug: Bye bye.
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It’s time for another Ask Dr. Leman!. In today’s episode, Dr. Leman get’s to the root of why a child might act “shy” towards mommy or daddy.
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Doug: You need to stop acting so shy and talk to other people. I said, you need to start talking to other people. What do I do about this shy child? She won’t even talk to her own dad. That’s the question that you asked Dr. Leman that we get to ask him for you and hopefully we’ll get an answer on what we can do when we get caught in that situation. Hi, I’m Doug Terpenine-
Andrea: And I’m Andrea.
Doug: And we are so glad that you are with us today. If this happens to be your first time, welcome and we want to let you know this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or a child, please go seek a local professional for help.
Well, Dr. Leman, this is a question that’s actually kind of near and dear to Andrea’s and I’s heart. Wouldn’t you say sweetie?
Andrea: Absolutely. As a child I was labeled shy and years ago I realized I’m not really shy, I’m thoughtful, I’m thinking about what I’m going to say and yet, because I was called shy, it felt like I was painted into a box. And it’s really hard to escape that box once you’re told you’re shy all your life. Now everybody expects you to be shy and it’s kind of… Not a self fulfilling prophecy, an other prophecy that is fulfilled by you because now you’re stuck in this corner.
Doug: So that’s Jenn’s question and it’s so funny here you are talking to thousands and thousands of people on air every day now as a shy person. But let’s hear-
Andrea: I’m not shy.
Doug: You’re not shy. You’re right. Okay, here’s Jenn’s question.
Jenn: Hi. First of all, I want to say thank you. Thank you for all that you do. I am a big fan of your work and I’ve read a few of your books including Making Children Mind, Parenting Your Powerful Child. However, we have a 12 year old son and eight year old son and a five year old daughter. Our daughter has seemed to be shy from the very beginning when she was very little and we made the mistake of saying that she was shy in front of everyone and realized what we’d done. So over the years we’ve been trying to correct this, although we’re still having trouble sometimes. Some of our efforts have worked. She used to not even want to talk to her dad whenever he would come home from work. So I started sending her to her room. She would cry and then eventually she stopped doing that.
But every now and then she still does that with family members. I really don’t like when my dad comes to visit and she doesn’t want to speak to him or anyone. We try to not make a big deal about it, just ignore it. Just introduce her to people like it’s no big deal, Hi, this is my daughter. She doesn’t want to get in front of the church with the rest of the kids to do their little performance that they do every now and then. She doesn’t want to have anything to do with things like that. We just want to really get past this. If you have any extra advice for us, that would be great. Thank you.
Dr. Leman: Oh, what a good question. Well, first of all, let’s talk about shyness in general. You heard what Andrea had to say that she was told she was shy, and let me point out to you, in all probability, our own Andrea Terpenine, was not shy. She was probably a little too perfectionistic as a kid where she wanted to make sure that what she said was right or what she did was right. And people read that as shyness. So I would concur with Andrea’s self-diagnosis that she wasn’t shy. Okay.
But normally when I hear the word shy, the first thing that resonates in my mind is we’re dealing with a powerful child. So I think to be practical with you, Jenn, as far as her getting up and doing things with her friends, whether it be in Sunday school, or school, or whatever, nothing that I’m going to tell you is going to be very helpful in that regard.
The social milieu, the teacher, the other students will be far more reinforcing than anything I could tell you because you’re not in the classroom. I’m not in the classroom. So nature will run its course there. But let’s talk about something practical you can do in your home. Number one, I would have a meeting in your home with yourself, your husband, 12 year old and eight year old, and I would introduce it as maybe a game if you’d like or to experiment and just talk about the fact that we are not going to respond to little sister unless she speaks to us. So at dinner time you could set the place setting for five if you want. You could also see what it’s like when you set it for four and just sort of move along in life like she’s not there and just see what happens.
It’s just an experiment. Sometimes you do that and all of a sudden a kid will start talking a blue streak and some kids will say, “Well wait a minute. Where’s my food?” Okay, well the kids talking, “Oh, did you want to have dinner with us?” You can do that approach, that kind of thing. If you try to get her to talk and she perceives you as trying to get her to talk, good luck. So you’re going to have to emotionally instruct yourself not to get yourself in the reinforcement, “Here’s the reward for speaking,” mode because it’ll just make things worse. So that’s for openers, that’s basically what you do.
In all probability, she’s a powerful child. That’s one of the way she controls things. It’s one of the way she demands attention from you and other family members. So just tuning her out. I would do that for a couple of weeks with a firm commitment that when she asks for something, you could accommodate that. When she speaks, you respond. If she doesn’t, she doesn’t. So you’re not telling her to get ready. You’re not telling her to pick up her clothes, you’re not telling her to do anything. Just become silent, run silent. So that’s my opening suggestion.
Doug: That would be tough for any person to do. Could you imagine just ignoring your daughter, your five year old daughter until she started talking, Andrea?
Andrea: No, I almost feel like it feels like a punishment to her when in my mind I don’t see her as being disobedient.
Dr. Leman: She doesn’t respond. This is a kid who’s not talking. So help me understand what you just said, because I don’t get it.
Andrea: Yeah.
Doug: Where’s the bad behavior? She’s just silent.
Andrea: Right. Is it wrong that she’s not talking to people or is it something that she needs freedom to get over?
Dr. Leman: She is displaying her power. It’s a powerful child. So you’re dealing with power, so you’re going to remove your what? from her wind?
Doug: Sail.
Andrea: Her sail.
Dr. Leman: Problem is her wind is silent. She’s not saying a word. So do you get her to open up by talking to her and trying to pry out from her what she wants or what she needs? No. Just pretend she doesn’t exist for a while and see what happens.
Doug: So Andrea, you’re assuming that her silence is that she is a internal processor who doesn’t want to answer questions.
Andrea: Right. It might be different than that.
Dr. Leman: She’s not a miniature Andrea. I don’t think so.
Andrea: I didn’t have a problem talking at home, I guess is the difference. It was just more when I went to school. And even now as an adult, I don’t like to talk to everybody and talk a blue streak to everybody.
Dr. Leman: It was performance based on your part. In other words, you didn’t feel like you wanted to perform you. You felt the pressure at school, where maybe you played your cards real close to your chest, so to speak.
Andrea: Exactly.
Dr. Leman: Maybe I didn’t get everything, maybe you can help me with everything that Jenn said, remind me, but it sounds to me like this kid is just a powerful little buzzard who finds control from the baby position of the family, which normally you don’t see. Controllers tend to be really more firstborn. But maybe she doesn’t feel like she can compete with those older siblings.
Andrea: Right. And the fact that she wouldn’t talk to her Dad, that does sound powerful.
Doug: Or Grandpa, right? So you wouldn’t talk to either one, that does sound powerful. So Dr. Leman, then just helped me feel better about myself. This would not be vindictive for me to be silent back to the child. Because that feels like I’m just like rubbing her nose in it.
Dr. Leman: Yeah. And it’s not punishment. I’m not talking about punishment. We’re not punishing a kid for anything. But to get along in this world, I got news for you, she’s going to have to talk. So she doesn’t talk to Grandpa. Well that’s a socially awkward position for the parent to be in. What do you mean? I mean, my daughter’s not talking to her grandpa?. I mean the inclination for a parent is to say, “Honey, Grandpa asked you a question.” So you’re going to have to get everybody on board so that we don’t have two thirds of the internal circle that she is around on a daily basis or on a weekly basis. You got to get everybody into this experiment for lack of a better term.
Andrea: So you would probably even get Grandpa in on that meeting and say, “Okay Grandpa, when you come over, greet the boys, wrestle with them. But-
Doug: Would you go so far as to have Grandpa, say, bring treats for the boys and not the girl?
Dr. Leman: No.
Andrea: Because then she would start performing, right?
Dr. Leman: No, I wouldn’t do that. In fact, there’s nothing wrong with. Grandpa coming in and greeting the children by name and greeting the youngest. I’m not saying don’t greet her, Grandpa. I’m just saying don’t foster a conversation with her. Don’t ask, “Well Honey, what, what did you do today? How is preschool or how is kindergarten?” All of the things that a grandpa might say to a granddaughter, don’t say them.
Doug: So for the slow guy, between the three of us, which is me, you’re saying this is the exact same as telling mom, stick it in your eyeballs, mom, or whatever, right? This is just a different form of that.
Dr. Leman: Well, this is purposive behavior. Her silence, everybody put your thinking cap on for a second. What does her silence create for her?
Doug: Power. Control. She makes the parents perform.
Dr. Leman: Right. And so she’s saying, I am in control. I am an authority over you. I’m not even going to push the authority button here that a parent obviously has authority over their children. I’m just saying you need to create a situation in your home where she’s going to have to speak. And that’s why I even suggest if you want to set the table four, as part of the experiment, do so. Let her at least say, “Wait a minute, where’s my food?” “Oh, I didn’t realize you wanted to eat.” Put the food down in front of her and then go and talk to your sons over dinner. In other words, it might take a while for her to catch on, this isn’t paying off. But it is purpose of behavior. In other words, this kid is saying, “I’m not speaking to you.”
Andrea: Could this come from parents that are overly authoritarian that have driven her, like you said about me, to perfectionism. So there’s this need to perform?
Dr. Leman: That’s probably the best guest, but let me just say this about that. It could be just trial and error. Something had triggered this two years ago. It might’ve been just a simple little thing, but her reality is what? The five-year-old’s reality is what she perceives to be true.
Andrea: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Dr. Leman: Someday I’m going to write a book about lying. And I think most people lie to themselves on a daily basis.
Doug: Ouf, that would hurt. So let’s go back to Jenn real quick. So Jenn feels terrible that she’s fostered this by identifying her daughter as shy and paying off this behavior by giving her attention and all of that. Is there anything that Jenn needs to say? I know as soon as I say those words, you’re going to be like, “Have you never heard of reality discipline?” Yes. But is there anything else that Jenn needs to do in regards to that?
Dr. Leman: No, I think reality is the teacher, Doug. Keep in mind everybody, the reality of the situation becomes the teacher to the child. Think about that. The reality of the situation. So we’re not talking about dad and mom. We’re not talking about brothers, grandma, grandpa, anybody else, we’re talking about the reality of the situation. Well, what is the reality of situation?
The reality of the situation now is that these people are not playing the game that they played where you are the powerful little queen bee and the rest of us are slaving over the hot stove, so to speak, trying to figure out how to get you to talk. Well, I go back to what I’ve said many times, the book Making Children Mind Without Losing Yours, you don’t make children mind, but you create situations where the kid figures out, “Hey, I might’ve have to go a different avenue here.” So sooner or later that kid’s going to figure that out.
Doug: When we come back from the break, I want to talk about what are the longterm consequences for this girl if the parents don’t resolve this. But it does make me think, I know we’ve been talking about it because it just released, but your brand new book, Why Kids Misbehave and What to Do About It, and it makes me think of this section in there that you lay out the four levels that children go to, right? They start at attention, and then they go to power, and they go to revenge, I forget the fourth one. But this is why the book is so good because it re-reminds us that why is this kid doing this? Is it for attention? And then it’s switched to power, right? And that’s what you’re telling us.
Dr. Leman: Exactly.
Doug: And I’m just telling you, that book will help you. Look at Andrea and I, we even forgot these basic concepts that if you’ve read a Dr. Lehman book before or you have listened to podcasts, this book is so one, two, three, four, the seven steps are in there, I just can’t encourage you enough. Go get Why Your Kid Misbehaves and What You Can Do About It.
Okay. I’m also from Ravel, right now, between now and the end of May of 2020 you can get Born To Win for $1.99. Andrea, do you have anything?
Andrea: I do. I have a great little review here. It says, Now I Get It, is the title they put on it. “I’m married to a super firstborn who always had me wondering about why he does what he does. After reading this book, I have better understanding about him and how he operates. I see things differently now after gaining more insight into what makes him so organized and businesslike. I appreciated this book for what it offered me. Although I am a middle child in my family, I bought this book to help me understand my spouse and it really did. Great read, funny, insightful.”
Doug: So go get Born To Win between now and May of 2020 and now a No Nonsense Parenting Moment with Dr. Kevin Leman.
Dr. Leman: Hey, acceptance. What does that mean? There’s nothing better than that feeling of being accepted. You know, your son or daughter is going to be either accepted or rejected; in school, in a peer group and at home. Your job as a parent, since you cover the home is to make sure your kid feels accepted. That that’s that place he can identify with or he feels loved no matter what. That’s the agape, unmitigated love we have for our kids. It’s really important that he feels accepted in the home. If he doesn’t feel accepted in the home, guess what? He’s going to go outside of the comfort and love of your home and he’s going to find acceptance in a peer group that’s usually negative and not positive. So make sure you love your kids. This is really simple. Accept them for who they are. Treat them differently. That’s part of acceptance. Do a good job of this, your kid will flourish because of it.
Doug: So Dr. Leman, if Jenn doesn’t address this shy behavior and she keeps this, “Hey, come on, come on daughter. You got to talk, you got to talk, you got to talk.” What is going to end up with this daughter? Where’s this going to go?
Dr. Leman: It’s going to deteriorate this kid’s self-esteem. She might stay at the power level. She is a powerful child. Okay? And again, remember when you’re a powerful child, you’re also an attention getter. When you go from attention getting to power, you don’t drop the attention getting, you’ve just added to your social repertoire behavior, powerful behavior. It didn’t replace the attention getting behavior that’s still there. What I’m saying is, this kid goes through a school system now and all of a sudden isn’t talking, guess who’s going to come along and throw a little label her way? And now she’s a special child. “She’s a special child, Dr. Leman.” Hey, I know what special child needs. We have seven schools. I know a little something about that.
But the kid is just going to label herself and people are going to over-respond, over-react is probably a better term, and it’s just going to get blown more and more out of proportion as she goes through a system, namely a school. So it’s good to do something now. Five is perfect time to do this. Three would have been better but five for right now is as perfect as we can get, because we can’t go back.
Doug: Wow. Well I just think about, you know, I manage people and it might be just my personality, but the “shy” people that I have to manage are by far harder than the vocal ones. The vocal ones I can deal with because at least now I know what’s going on. It’s the shy ones that just drive you nuts, which you would think would be opposite, but-
Dr. Leman: Okay, let me be personal with you. Do any of your shy ones cry a lot?
Doug: Do you mean at work or at home?
Dr. Leman: No, basically at work. You know, one gender cries more than another quite frankly. Don’t send me a nasty email on that folks. I’m just telling you that I worked in an office once with seven female assistants and I can’t enumerate the number of times I saw tears.
Doug: No, you’re right. There are more tears from the shy ones, or excuse me, from the quiet ones. Yeah, you’re right.
Dr. Leman: Well, here’s the deal. Hold on here. How do you feel as a man when you’ve said something or done something and your wife cries.
Doug: Oh, you’re brought to your knees. You can’t move forward. You’re stuck.
Dr. Leman: Right? So the shedding of tears itself could be a very powerful, manipulative way of getting what you want. So just keep in mind there’s all kinds of behaviors that can equate to shyness. What would you say if I said that somebody who is very explosive, was explosive for the direct reason to keep people away from them?
Doug: Oh yeah, I believe it.
Dr. Leman: Yeah. So do you see what I’m saying is, I’m not trying to just say one size fits all. I’m just saying when you talk about shyness, it’s a little bit like nailing slime. You ever see kids play with slime?
Doug: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Dr. Leman: Comes in a little jar and it’s really gross looking. It’s like trying to take a nail and sticking it up on a wall. Good luck. It can be very elusive. And so just keep in mind that shy people can control. We usually think of controllers as firstborn children, but you can control from the baby position of the family through shyness real easy. And you can control from the baby position of the family through temper tantrums. So temper tantrums are so different than being shy, but notice it’s the same psychological mechanism at work. You’re controlling.
Doug: Wow.
Dr. Leman: But you’re doing it in different ways. So I think the experiment kind of thing that we suggested for Jenn is very worth doing and I would do it for a long period of time.
Andrea: What’s a long period of time?
Dr. Leman: Couple of months. That’s a long time.
Andrea: Oh, you think it’ll take her that long to snap out of it?
Dr. Leman: No. No, I don’t. I think it’ll be a short period.
Andrea: She’ll respond, but they should keep up the behavior.
Dr. Leman: Yeah. Some kids just, they get it. They say, Oh, I get you. All right. Okay. I can dig in a little deeper. All right, go ahead. I’m not moving. How many times have we had parents say to us in one form or another, “Dr. Leman, you can do anything to this kid. You could beat him with a stick. You could take away everything. He doesn’t care.” Well, what’s the purpose of nature of him not caring? He’s saying, “I don’t care what you do. You’re not breaking me. I’m in control here. I’m not giving up my kingdom.” But once the kingdom isn’t paying off anymore, then the kid says, “Wait a minute. I think I got to change lanes here.” And that’s what we hope happens here.
So again, it goes without saying I hope Jenn, if your little one begins to open up now, don’t celebrate. Don’t overdo it because she’ll jump right back into her little fox hole and cover herself with dirt.
Doug: Really? I was about to-
Andrea: Don’t say to her, “Oh, I’m so glad you’re talking.” That’s like the worst thing for somebody like that to hear. Yeah. Oh yeah.
Dr. Leman: Yeah, yeah. Just take it in stride.
Andrea: Like it’s normal.
Dr. Leman: When a kid does well in school, one of my favorites is just, “Honey it’s so good to see you enjoy learning.” It’s so good to see that you enjoy learning. It’s not, “You’re the greatest kid in the world for getting an A on that,” or whatever. Or, “Wow, your hard work really paid off, congratulations.” That’s vitamin E. So don’t over celebrate if you see some early signs of her coming out of our little cocoon. Just take it and stride.
Doug: Well this is super helpful and I know I just referenced it, but I’m going to reference it again, the brand new book, Why Your Kid Misbehaves. It’s so nice to know why they’re misbehaving so then you can respond in the right way and not react, and then what to do about it.
Dr. Leman: Doug, I should have dedicated that book to Jenn. This is her book. So Jenn, I hope you’ll get a copy real quick.
Doug: I just think for the Jenns and the Doug Terpenines of the world, for us to have a framework to understand it is gold, for my personality at least. Maybe not for the people that are listening but sure helps me to understand things.
Dr. Leman: You know Doug, you mentioned framework and it’s nice for an author to like his books. They’re like your children, you like them, but there’s a few of them you really love. And the Birth Order Book is one that I love because it gives you a framework. It lets you stand back and say, “Oh, I see why child number three is ducking under, so to speak. Because child number one is a little bluebird with straight A’s. And guess what? Bigger brother opposite sex from the first one. He’s a bluebird too. I got two straight A students. Now I understand why number three sees herself the way she sees herself and underperforms and doesn’t try. Why doesn’t she try? Because in her mind she can’t measure up to those kids.”
So parents, here’s your question. Do you treat these kids differently? Chances are you haven’t. So by the time child three comes along, he sees those lanes, those positive lanes where the kids are flying at 30,000 feet, are filled. But “Oh, I see this little cart with a donkey. Maybe I’ll climb on that for my transportation.” You see what I’m saying? It’s a conscious effort on the kids’ part, not to go head-to-head with somebody I know I’m going to get beat by. And again, beat is their perception.
Doug: Oh absolutely. This is why I think these books are so good. All of them. Like you’ve said multiple times, read Birth Order Book, children mind you…. I can never get that title. But Helping Children Mind Without Losing Yours, whatever that title is, you know what it is. And now, Why Your Kid Misbehaves. You just put them together and you get this beautiful look at, “Oh this is what this kid’s doing to me.” And you joke about, “We have seen the enemy and they’re small,” it really does help you realize they are beautiful but are not so innocent at times. So go get these books for your sake. Honestly, you want to reduce stress in your life, this is the time to do it.
Jenn, kudos to you for asking this incredible question. Thank you. And for those of you that want to leave a question, you can go to birthorderguy.com/313 and there’ll be a microphone right there at the bottom and you can leave your audio question for us and we would love, love, love to answer any of your questions. And a reminder, get Born To Win if you are first born, if you’re married to a first born, or you have a first born kid to understand them better between now and the end of May of 2020. And we look forward to the next time we get to be with you and add to your parenting toolbox so you can love those kids and have a framework on how to parent. Take care.
Andrea: Bye-bye.
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Doug: All right. I said, this is what you are supposed to do and it better get done around here. Or is it more fun just to be like, “Oh, that’s all right, you set the couch on fire. No worries. We have just now have a burnt spot in the couch.” Which kind of a parent are you? And does it really matter in the end? Is there a good way to parent or not? That’s what we get to ask Dr. Kevin Leman today. Are there a right way to wrong way to parent? And are there kind of some stereotypes that would help us understand which one we might be?
Doug: Hi, I’m Doug Terpening.
Andrea: And I’m Andrea.
Doug: And we are so glad that you are with us today. If any of the subject matter raises any concerns for you or a child, please go seek a local professional for help. Well, Dr. Leman, today is the release of the new book Why Your Kid Misbehaves and What You Can Do About It. And in there, I’ve read a bunch of Leman books, you have four different descriptions of the way that we can parent. And I thought it was so helpful for me to understand which one I am and the impact it could have on my kids. You describe them, there’s the fun way, the my way, the right way and the easy way that we do this. Help us understand why did you include in there the ways that we parent? And why is that important for us to know that?
Andrea: I just have to throw in here. I loved the phrase he used a couple weeks ago, “You are the maestro of the misbehavior orchestra.” Here we are going to parents again.
Dr. Leman: Yeah, well there’s no denying it that we parents create a milieu in our home, a social milieu that is conducive to pulling the rope in the right direction and cooperating and loving and closeness and a sharing of feelings and a sharing of wonderment and just enjoying life. That sounds pretty ideal. Or we get into the right way, my way, the authoritarian way, the permissive way. There are so many avenues that you can choose, parent, that will lead to destruction of the solidity of your family.
Dr. Leman: I had a talk the other day with my grandson who’s just turned 16 and is now driving a car, about the road less traveled and the fact that there are fewer people on it. And I asked him, I said, “Connor,” I said, “why do you suppose there’s fewer people on that road less traveled?” And he said, “Well Grandpa, probably because it’s really hard to make the right choice.” I said, “Yeah, that’s pretty good, Connor. For 16 that’s real good.”
Dr. Leman: What I’m saying is, folks, there’s all kinds of choices out there on the kind of parent you’re going to be. And when Doug in his introduction said something to the effect of, “This is the way it’s going to be. I said, this needs to get done and I mean it.” That’s just a frustrated parent who lacks the skills to know how to approach these children who are growing every day toward adulthood. And a reminder, you’re not raising a kid, you’re actually rearing a little adult who someday is hopefully going to be a productive person in society.
Dr. Leman: But I think if you choose to be an authentic parent, you have authenticity in your life and you have openness in your life and you have a realness to your life and you have the ability to listen and you’re committed to being a good parent and you’re committed to being in sync with your mate, you’ve already made a great choice, and your kids in all probability are going to benefit from that basic commitment to each other. Now, hopefully you’re a person of faith and if you live your faith out in front of your children, there’s a very high probability that your children will one day come to a full realization of who the creator of the universe is and develop a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. And that’s an eternal decision. The decisions that we make when kids are very young are really decisions that will influence not only our kids’ life on this earth, but their eternal life as well. The stakes are high in making great decisions when those kids are little.
Doug: Dr. Leman, I have a question for you. You describe four different ways that we can fall into parenting wrongly and I want to just choose one and highlight it and it’s the easy way. And you say the easy parent says, “I only count when everyone likes me and I can keep the peace in the house.” And then you go down and you start to talk about how that’s going to be a negative for the kids. Yet it feels like that’s kind of a good parenting style. What are the consequences if I go the easy way for my kids? What do I need to know if I’m the easy way parent?
Dr. Leman: Well, what you have to understand is by going the easy way, you’re creating a weak kid. You’re not giving any structure to the kid’s life. You’re not giving a sense of realness or authenticity because that’s not what life’s all about. If your son or daughter joins the service at age 18, they’re not going to get an email from the Navy or the Air Force or the Army that says, “If there’s any possibility that you could work it into your schedule, we would like to have you in Germany or Afghanistan on October 2nd.” That email is never going to come your way. You’re going to be told in a very authoritarian organization, namely the military, you will be there. Everything is not the utopian state of parenthood where parents are on the same page and you’re an authority over your kids. There’s part of life that’s very authoritarian. The police officer does not say to you, “Listen, have you chosen to accept this ticket from me?” He hands you the ticket.
Dr. Leman: And so when you just go to whatever feels good, do it, you’re creating a monster, quite frankly, who will never appreciate other people because they’re going to be so determined on just pleasing themselves. Now, let’s take that young man that grows up just pleasing himself. His mom gives into him all the time. Once in a while she gives him a vitamin N, but it doesn’t mean anything because the kid learns that all you got to do is wear her down and she’ll give in. I’m asking every mom to think what kind of a husband will that kid make? And let me ask the Terpenings, your firstborn son, James, you tell me, what kind of a husband will James make, do you suppose?
Doug: I think he’s going to make a great one. He’s super responsible.
Dr. Leman: Why?
Doug: Because he had to. We made him. We made, we pushed our kids hard on a number of things. They were expected. They’re expected to do chores around the house. We actually adopted your phrase that really changed it where we said every member of the household has to contribute to make this work. And when we did, our chores changed from, this is what mom and dad want us to do to, oh, we’re needed around the house. So much so that then he went and served abroad and it’s just part of his DNA now. Yeah.
Dr. Leman: Okay. Okay. Now Andrea, give me words that describe James’ personality.
Andrea: Oh, the very first one that comes to mind is responsible. He is very kind and thoughtful, caring. He’s well thoughtful also in the way of, he thinks things through in his head before he, so maybe a processor.
Dr. Leman: All right now let’s continue being personal. Doug, tell me and tell our listeners basically what James has accomplished in his years. Tell us how old he is and tell us what he’s done.
Doug: James is 20 years old and after high school he went and served in Costa Rica for five months stint and fell in love with serving. That he went back and gave two more years. Two and a half years of his life he’s been in Costa Rica serving. And he’s been helping other 18, 19, 20, 21 year olds from anything from building homes, where he’s helping to, he was responsible for the roof part of building homes for people in poor communities, to going downtown and helping out people with homelessness, to kids who were trying to figure out where are they in their faith journey? That’s what he did.
Dr. Leman: Okay. Andrea, tell us what James did as a kid growing up before he turned 18 and left your home. What were the kind of things he was involved in?
Andrea: Well, the 4H was a big one. He loved and he was in a second club, not just our animal club but in a club that was a leadership club and he loved that. Helping to create events and things for the whole community of 4H.
Dr. Leman: I’m assuming he was a good student as well, right?
Andrea: Yes, very responsible.
Doug: The other thing is we had all our kids have their own small business and we made them deal with all the details. Getting the food for the animals, dealing with the customers and all of that. And we stepped back as much as we could.
Dr. Leman: Okay. Now I got a question for all of you who are listening to this, is it a surprise? Is there any surprises here? Was there any real shockers what you just heard? See, these are parents who held their kids accountable, empowered them, and they’re all different. All four children are very different in the Terpening home. But you have to go out and you have to use the spade and you have to turn over the ground and you have to fertilize it. Just like I always say you, you water a marriage by words, by feelings, by communication and so are the Terpenings perfect? Far from it. They’ve admitted all their shortcomings but they’ve done a great job at raising kids and they’ve allowed the kids to experience life as it really is, having their own business, 4H. I’m very outspoken. I don’t like activities for kids basically because there’s too many of them. It dilutes the indelible imprint that a parent I think has the right to put on their own kid. And they think they’re helping their kids through activities and they’re not.
Dr. Leman: But one of the activities that I just rail about because it’s so super is guess what? 4H because kids are responsible from the time that calf is born or whatever they’re rearing and hard work and work ethic is a part of being successful in 4H. I’m just telling you parents, let’s everybody take a deep breath and ask yourself, what are you doing? Are you just giving your kids cheap things from China? Are you giving them things? They don’t need things. They need you. They need your expectations. They need your vitamin E, your encouragement, they need your vitamin N. Life goes by quick, folks. How many of you are saying, “I can’t believe little Henry’s already 11 years old and a little Samantha’s already nine. Oh my goodness time goes by quick.” Well, life goes by quick. Have at it parents, you be the parent you want to be. I’m just telling you that there’s a tremendous connection. As A is to B, on the kind of parent you are and the kind of kid you’re going to create.
Doug: Well, and this is why I appreciate you so much is because the other parenting style was what I was. Because I was, and I love the phrase that you finally got me understanding, I was King Doug and it was, I was super authoritarian and it was my way or guess what? Get out of here. And I was too far the other way and we don’t even, I don’t even know if we have time to jump into all the four different characteristics. And this is, so I want to balance it out, the easy way your kid’s going to go this way.
Doug: And mine was, I was creating rebellion off the charts in my kids that I see now from others who didn’t stop it soon enough. And this is also where you just talk about the differences where Andrea helped pull me into exactly what you said, caring for the kids and listening to the kids and being with the kids. She’s a superstar in those things and really helped me understand that I was just plowing them over and just shoving them out the door. Yeah, I don’t know if we have enough time to get into the my way parent in here or not, but yeah. Dr. Leman, I don’t know why I’m telling you that. I’m just like.
Dr. Leman: Yeah, and let’s face it. I love Doug because Doug has been brave enough to say publicly, I was a fool. I thought I was king of the Terpening house and he’s just lucky that he married the pretty one. She was the real helper.
Andrea: The easy way parent who wanted peace.
Dr. Leman: Well, a lot of us, men tend to operate at arms length and our comfort zone many times is just telling people what to do. I’ve never had a woman say to me, “I love it when my husband just tells me what to do.” Never heard that yet. But what I love is when a woman says something like, “Oh,” that little oh, as a response to something that husband has said or done. Then you know as a man, you’re really reaching into your wife’s heart. Well, what does heart have to do with it?
Dr. Leman: We’ve been mentioning The Way the Wise, you know that little a book I did that I love. It’s an easy read about an hour, hour and 15 minutes to read the entire book. But the passage that that book is premised on, Proverbs 3, in just the first six verses there, King Solomon uses the word heart three times. Parenting, relationships, marriage and our relationship with our maker is all about heart. Again, I don’t want to go too far over and make you guys feel uncomfortable with my adulation for how you’ve reared your kids, but it’s a perfect example of as you as a parent change and start to do things differently, the bonuses just flow in a very natural way to all of your children. Be a good parent, be a good mate and life’s going to be pretty good.
Doug: I want to read a quote from the book, for those of you that are like me was king where you’re the my way parent. I have a right as the parent to tell you what to do and you better do it. Is you say you’ll come down like an almighty hammer to judge your kids before they can open their mouths to explain the behavior. You might get immediate outward obedience because those kids view you as top dog, but trust me, resentment is simmering under the surface. I cannot underscore that for the my way parents. You are just, you are breeding resentment and you wonder why when your kids are 21 and they leave and never come back, how could that have been when you fed, clothed them and gave them everything they needed? I bring this up to talk about the fact that for many of us, if you’re like me, to be able to look at the mirror and look at yourself and go, “Hmm, what am I really like?”
Doug: That’s really tough to do. Which is why I like this section of the book because it’s like, okay, which one of these four parents are you? Okay, I can put myself maybe there. Here’s what you’re going to get with your parenting. And when I see the negative I’m impacting on my kids, that’s just enough to prick whatever that my mind, my heart, my soul, whatever, to be like, oh, maybe I should change so that I get what I want, which is a relationship with my kids. Well, if you don’t want a relationship with your kids, you can do these things and just think you’re going to create robots. But that’s craziness. Anything you want to say to that Dr. Leman before I jump into the book?
Dr. Leman: No, just do it. We make these things available. Some of them are a $1.99, 2.99. You’re buying books. You’re getting books that if you walk into a bookstore, you’re going to pay a 16.99 for plus tax and here you can download them, have them on your appliance. And the big deal is they change your life. You can share it with your mate. Here it is, read it. And I can’t say enough about it. I’m just thankful to Revell, my publisher who allows us to do these podcasts. Yeah, it obviously helps Revell because they’re the ones that gain most whenever they sell a Kevin Leman book. But I’m in the school business. I got seven schools. I’m not in the business of creating money for myself. I’m in the business of educating kids because I want to make a difference in kids’ lives.
Dr. Leman: And these books are very practical. They’re fun. Some of you don’t like them. I read the one star reviews once in a while and I go, “Wow, where’d this person come from?” I’m just so glad that most of my books are four and a half stars or better. And those four stars are hard to get. Five stars are almost impossible. And I got a few of those. We know what we’re doing is helping a lot of people. I’m thankful for people like Doug and Andrea who pour their heart and soul into this and make it fun and bring a sense of realness to us. Help us spread the word. Tell your friends, put it up on your social media. Tell people how to catch us here as we talk about life as it really is.
Doug: After this, I want to give a brief description of the four different ways and the harms that we have from them. But the book that you can get between now and the end of May of 2020, for only a buck 99 is Born to Win. Born to Win, $1.99 between now and the end of May of 2020 wherever eBooks are sold. And the other thing I want to tell you that’s really fun with Revell Baker is this week, the week of May 5th. May five, six, seven, eight I believe, is that they are going to give away five copies of the brand new book. Why Your Kid Misbehaves and What You Can Do About It. You’ve heard us talking about it for weeks now. I’m telling you it’s totally worth you going to get. If you want to try and get a free one, you can go to Dr. Leman’s Facebook page today and enter in for the contest to win one of those brand new books. It is a phenomenal book. Okay, now a no nonsense parenting moment with Dr Kevin Leman.
Dr. Leman: Go buy any gym, any fitness center where there’s open windows, where you can look in and you’ll see people working and working and working and they’re working out or trying to come up with a perfect body. Well, how about psychological muscles for your kids? How do you help build psychological muscles for your kids? The peer group can be cool, but you need to sometimes help your kids develop psychological muscles. What does that mean? It means well, number one, don’t overreact to everything that comes your kid’s way. Sometimes people will say things to your kids that are just downright unkind. Sometimes your kids are too over sensitive. One of the things I try to teach our kids at Leman Academy of Excellence is when somebody dogs you, somebody is really nasty to you, I teach our students at Leman Academy to look at them and say, “Wow, I didn’t realize you felt so bad about yourself.” Wow, does that take the air out of the balloon. Teach that to your child. It’s one of those little pocket answers that good old Dr. Leman loves.
Doug: Alrighty. I’m going to briefly touch on the four different parenting styles and then you two can tell me, you can highlight, accentuate anything that I miss or to expand it. You described these four different ways. The fun way parent, I only count when I’m in the limelight, noticed appreciated, adorned. And the hit to your parenting is as a fun way parent, you’ll probably avoid the situation by not dealing with it. You’ll exit the premises and go out for an evening, so you’re an avoider.
Doug: My way, I’ve already read this one, but I only count when I’m in charge and others immediately follow my orders. And the problem with this one is you might get an immediate outward obedience because those kids view you as the top dog. But trust me, resentment is simmering under the surface.
Doug: And then the right way. I only count when I get to meet my own, which I find interesting, my own high standards by doing things right, perfectionist and critical eyed. And here’s the impact you’ll have on those kids. This time those projects, quote unquote, are your kids and it will be impossible for them to meet your high standards and do life correctly, even on their best days. Your natural disposition to become discouraged and resentful won’t help resolve the behavior. It will only further alienate you from your kids.
Doug: Dr. Leman, why was it important for you to highlight the four different ways and like.
Dr. Leman: Well, I think it’s important for parents to see that our behavior influences the whole kid’s view of life and themselves. And you’re either giving them a realistic view or an unrealistic view. And for example, the parent that just says “It’s got to be my way,” is sowing the seeds of rebellion in that kid’s heart and soul. The parent that says, “Well, let’s just do it the fun way and everything goes,” is not only painting an unrealistic view of life, but it’s also sowing the seeds of discontent and rebellion in your kid’s heart and soul because there isn’t structure. We come back to the mid point of being an authority over your children. But that’s what’s so cool about why your kids misbehave and what to do about it. If you as a parent can identify, and the fun part of this book, you identify that just by your own feelings of your kid’s misbehavior, at what level your kid is misbehaving. And that way you know exactly where you need to improve as a parent.
Dr. Leman: It gives you motivation to move from where you are to a better place. And it’s not only a better place for you or your spouse, it’s a better place for your kids. We talked earlier about the Terpening children. Why have they done so well? I can go off of my five children, all of my five children, you would think with five children, you’d have a loser in there somewhere. A good that’s just not hitting on all eight cylinders.
Dr. Leman: Well, that’s not the case in the Leman family. All five of our kids are hitting on all eight cylinders and they’re doing extremely well in life. Extremely well in life. Well, it’s not an accident. It goes back to how we parent and why your kids misbehave and what to do about it gives you a starting place where you can go into your kid’s life, get behind their eyes, see how they see life, and I think you’ll be convicted of the fact that you need to change your behavior. And when you change your behavior as a parent, you set up a great possibility that your son or daughter is going to alter their behavior as well. Pick up a copy, you’ll enjoy it.
Doug: For everybody out there that’s wondering, do I really want to read a book? Do I really want to invest the time and energy? Is this book really worth it? I just say, whatever you invest in, you get great results from and what you don’t in this world, I’m just old enough to realize you don’t. If I don’t exercise for some reason, I don’t stay in shape and there are especially if you are, if you don’t have kids yet or you’re just starting out, man, it saves you so many problems later on that you have to deal with to have a game plan and know what you’re doing. Andrea, you’re shaking your head.
Andrea: Well no. I’m just thinking how, boy if you are just starting out or if you have a friend who’s pregnant, what a great gift because I keep hearing over and over in these last few podcasts, how much of it is, it’s not the kid, it’s the parent and so if the parent and the parents can get on the same page, if the parent can figure out what their parenting style was as a child and now how they’re going to parent, I just think wow, you’re starting out leaps and bounds ahead. Just getting yourself healthy as a parent because you are going to, you are the maestro of the misbehavior orchestra or of the the great kids orchestra. Where you’re going to have fun with them. And so yeah, I don’t know, I just think parents just starting out, are going to have kids soon. What a great idea to share this.
Doug: Well and Dr. Leman, to follow up on that real quick is, you’ve said it before, if we are willing to do the hard work especially when we were first setting out like you’re saying Andrea, as brand new kids, what is life like when we finally have those teenagers for us?
Dr. Leman: Yeah, there’s a great payoff. I’ve often said the best years are when your kids are teenagers. And people look at you like you got a screw loose. You got to be kidding me. I’m not kidding you. We had no problems throughout our kids’ teenage years, none. Why? Because our home was their home. We had the home field advantage so to speak in the Leman family because the kids would bring their friends over. I think our kids were initially shocked at how much their friends like Sandy and I. Was sort of funny. But the bottom line as parents, you want to be a difference maker in your kid’s life. I hope so. And some of you have gone off on the wrong track for various reasons. You brought a lot of baggage into your marriage and whatever, but you can right the ship and this little book Why Your Kids Misbehave and What to Do About It, will help you navigate the oceans of life.
Doug: Amen. And Andrea and I are living it right now. Our 20 year old and 18 year old are demanding that we go out to have dinner with them because they just want to talk and debrief.
Andrea: I was just going to say little story from our home this week because our oldest two have just come home from their YWAM experiences. I was sitting at the table eating lunch with all four of the kids the other day and I just, I stopped the middle of the conversation. I said, “You guys don’t know how happy I am. This is amazing. Here you are laughing and joking with each other and we’re talking about life. And I have these little flashbacks to when they were preteen and all the time we spent together. And now here we are, the five of us. Dad’s at work, laughing and just enjoying one another. And you guys just don’t even know what a gift this is to your mom. It’s amazing. I am drinking it in.”
Doug: The payoff is you’re going to have some hard years to change yourself and change the patterns with your kids. I did. It’s uncomfortable. It’s not nice. But man, the payoff is so worth it for your kid’s sake and for you. It’s amazing. In conclusion, you can get Born to Win now until the end of May of 2020 for a $1.99 where eBooks are sold and go get the new book, Why Your Kid Misbehaves and What to Do About It. You get actual practical steps. They go on sale today, May 5th, and I am so excited to hear about how your life changes and just how much more you can enjoy those kids and love on them. Trust me, it will happen. Thank you for being with us today and listening. We appreciate you being with us.
Andrea: Have a great day.
Doug: Take care. Bye bye.
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Transcript
Doug: As a parent, have you ever experienced that incredibly annoying time when your kid just gets fixated and opens and shuts, opens and shuts, opens and shuts, or just keeps dropping that same toy over and over? You tell them, “Stop,” but they won’t. That’s the question that Dee asks, “How do I stop this from my 18-month old.” And we get to ask Dr. Leman for you.
Doug: Hi, I’m Doug Terpening.
Andrea: And I’m Andrea.
Doug: And we are so glad that you are joining us on this podcast today. We want to let you know this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or your child, please go seek a local professional for help. As a reminder, you can go to birthorderguy.com/podcastquestion or slash the episode numbers. Like this episode is 311, and there you’ll see at the bottom of the page a microphone, and you can leave your audio question like Dee did.
Dee: Hi, Dr. Leman. I was curious if you would please tell me the appropriate way to discipline an 18-month old? For example, he keeps opening the cabinet where the chemicals are or banging on the glass on one of the dressers. I jump up right away, remove him and tell him, “We don’t do that.” So I have my parents tell me, “Just spank him. He understands. Kids know at six months old not to do something. Look at all you kids, you turned out well, well-mannered and responsible.” I don’t know if removing him from the situation is the right way to do it at this age. I’m not sure if that’s still appropriate.
Dee: I personally tried smacking his hand and he swatted back at me. So obviously don’t want to teach him that hitting is okay. So I’m not sure what is the appropriate discipline for scenarios like this where it’s a repetitive don’t do that, don’t do that. And if you could just tell me what I should be doing at this stage of his development, so that for instance, if there’s something for his own safety and he’s across the room, if I tell him “no” he will know not to do that and he’ll stop in his tracks. Thank you so much. I really appreciate your podcast. Thank you, guys.
Dr. Leman: Well, what a good question. Thank you Dee for that. You sound like a great mommy by the way. Wow. That’s sort of a loaded question. Okay? In fact, the whole idea of spanking a child is, we can start there, is an interesting one. Now, I’ve always pledged to you that I would always call a spade a spade, tell it like it is. Okay? I’ll give you my honest opinion and I’ll get some nasty ones on this, I guarantee you.
Dr. Leman: But let’s start with, I know you were asking about an 18-month old, but let’s take a three year old who has great verbal skills, understands commands well, and that kid defiantly looks you in the eye and says to you, “No.” Well, would it be the end of the world if you took an open hand and gave that kid a swat on their tail? That’s the question I have for you. Would it be the end of the world? Well, here’s the problem. You give that kid a swat on the tail, and he’s in preschool and he has an accident at preschool and there’s a red mark on that kid’s tail and the teacher asks, “Did you get hurt?” “My mommy spanked me, my daddy spanked me.”
Dr. Leman: And depending upon what state you live in, you’re about to experience hell on earth. Okay? There are going to be people who knock on your door and say, “We’re going to take your child. We’re going to make your child a ward of the court all of a sudden. We’re going to place them in a supervisory position.” Because you what? Because you exercised your authority as a parent and you swatted your child. So I can’t publicly say, “Okay parents, open hand on a kid’s tush is not going to damage their psyche for life,” but I’m telling you that the social environment we live in today precludes you from spanking children.
Dr. Leman: Is spanking inherently harmful? No, it’s not. But the problem is people don’t know how to spank. Years ago, I detailed in a book how to spank a child. I’m going back, I don’t know, 30 years, how to spank a child. I decided, and again I’m just telling you how it is, you don’t have to agree, disagree, whatever, but I came to the conclusion that so few people even would know how to spank a child appropriately. They wail on a child and sometimes tell himself that’s discipline. It’s not discipline. So I’ll get to Dee’s question and I’ll answer you as best I can.
Dr. Leman: Dee, my guess is that your nature, you’re probably too authoritarian. Okay? And that’s why when your parents say, “Hey, just spank him, everything will be okay,” is real tempting for you. But the fact that your little guy is 18-months old is interesting to me because I always tell parents circle the calendar when your child hits 18-months of age. Because that’s developmentally where a child will come into true power, powerful behavior, behavior that serves a purpose in a kid’s life. Yes, I know some of you have 12-month olds who can arch their back and win a triple gold medal for their heroic acts in the high chair. But by 18-months, it’s really pretty well developed. So how you handle discipline with an 18-month old I think is really important.
Dr. Leman: You talked about the fact that you tell them, “Don’t do that, don’t open that cabinet door.” Now let me say this, Dee, it should be impossible for your 18-month old to open any cabinet or any area where there’s dangerous anything there. There’s all kinds of secure things you can buy. So number one, your home, your apartment, needs to be completely baby-proof. As my pediatrician once said to us, “Kids are dumb as mud. They’ll put anything in their mouth and they don’t read labels.” So number one, opening things, you need to make sure that that’s not possible, so it’s not a matter of them getting into things they shouldn’t.
Dr. Leman: Your best discipline is to remove your 18-month old from the scene, whatever it is. If your child is acting up or being defiant or whatever, pick him up, put him in a playpen, if you still have one up, and have him have some time looking out through the nets. Let him figure out that what he just did is very inappropriate. So if you do that, he’ll howl like a coyote at the moon. So be it. Let him howl. He’ll stop. A real powerful kid might howl for 15, 20 minutes, some even a half an hour, but they’ll stop as long as it’s not [inaudible 00:08:11]. Now, if you keep running in and tell him to settle down, be quiet, stop screaming, whatever, you’re just going to prolong your agony and his maladapted behavior.
Dr. Leman: I thought it was interesting that you slapped his hand and he slapped you back. You have to understand the psyche of a kid. Okay, if you have a right to punish me, then I have the right to what? See, in a democratic society, kids don’t view themselves as social unequals. They see themselves as equal to the adult, socially equal. And are they socially equal? They’re not the same. But God doesn’t love parents more than He loves children, but God has given parents authority over children. Not authoritarianism. If you want to look at the Scripture, Ephesians 6 says, “Children obey your parents. It’s the right thing to do because God has placed them,” and here’s the key word, “in authority over you.”
Dr. Leman: So your question is a good one. And I know that it can be very exasperating, but if you’re trying to reason with the 18-month old, Dee, let me suggest you don’t go down that path. Okay? Use action and not words. When the child’s misbehaving, again, you pick the child up swiftly, give him the look, put them in a room, close the door. You may want to have the Kevin Leman [inaudible] Lock on the door that locks on the outside, where the child can’t come out. They have to stay in their room. And they stay in their room until when? Until they quiet down. And then a simple, “Honey, are you to come back out?” And then pick him up, give them a little love. They got their blankie with them and life goes on.
Dr. Leman: So for openers, that’s how I would answer your question. I tried to do that as honestly as I possibly can. And by the way, the question is, “Dr. Leman, when you raised your five children, did you spank them?” Yes I did. But let me give you a definition of a spank. It was an open hand on a kid’s tush. I have five children. We went to the trouble to figure out how many times we gave a swat to our son or our daughters, the aggregate number was guess what? Eight. So five kids got eight swats in their child-rearing days.
Doug: So I’m kind of [inaudible] on the last thing you said. So I’m going to shine the light on you, Andrea. You’ve said this a bazillion times, “Use actions, not words.” So Andrea, when you pick up the 18-month, how hard is it not to communicate with words to them, and just pick them up and walk in and drop them in the playpen?
Andrea: Nearly impossible. The part that’s even harder for me is not to go check on them.
Doug: Oh.
Andrea: Yeah.
Doug: Because?
Andrea: Because you want to make sure they’re okay. I mean, you know all these things that could go wrong.
Dr. Leman: A parent has a monitor today, they can see what’s going on in the room. Okay? For those parents who are thinking, “Oh, I could never lock my child in a room.” I mean, give me a break. All you’re doing is saving yourself some effort and making sure the child stays in the room for awhile. That’s all. You can look at the monitor that’s in your kitchen or your bedroom and you know exactly what a little [Beaufort’s] up to in there.
Doug: So why is it important that dad or mom, when they pick up the children, don’t use words to them and don’t scold them or say, “Stop opening the cabinets.” Right? “That’s not what we do around here.”
Dr. Leman: Well, I think one word, which is vitamin N, which is simply “no.” Give them the look, a look of disapproval, pick them up and remove them, that’s great discipline for an 18-month old. What are you going to say to the 18-month old? What words you’re going to use?
Doug: Dear Beaufort, in the Terpening household we do not open and close cabinets because it is unsafe for you and you need to learn not to do that. Well, I’m now going to go put you in your playpen for five minutes.
Dr. Leman: Yeah, if I’m an 18-month old, I’m going to blow that off real quick. I’m going to go, “Oh, here he goes again. Here he goes on one of his editorials, some good old dad.”
Andrea: What are the chances that that kid is going to go back to that cabinet when they get brought out of their play pen and try it again?
Dr. Leman: It’s very good if he’s a powerful child because he want us to know, “Hey, do you mean business?” So parent, if you’re going to discipline once in awhile, good luck. So you have to be consistent. So if he comes out and he goes right to that cabinet again, you know he needs just a little bit more time to think about what we do in the Terpening household. And so you pick up Doug, you drag him to the room and say, “Doug, you’re in there again.” Now, I’m laughing at myself, which is not a good idea.
Doug: Well, I remember when our kids were younger, zero to six, seven, somewhere in there, Andrea, we could almost clockwork, every 90 days, three months, they wanted to see who is an authority around here. Right?
Andrea: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Doug: They would be like, “Hey, it’s been awhile. Let’s just see if maybe I’m now the boss.” It was like for three or four days they just created chaos. And then if we held the line, it stopped. If we didn’t, it would go on for weeks and then we had a bigger problem to make up. But you’re right, how as parents do we deal with that mindset that every three months or so the kids are just going to test that boundary?
Dr. Leman: Yeah, I think kids play us like a violin, and I think if there’s two of them they have discussions like, “Hey, what do you think we ought to try tonight?” It’s sort of like checking the temperature. It’s going outside and looking around the skies and seeing what the climate is in your home. And that’s why being a consistent parent is so important. When the kids realize whether they turn left or right, they have parents united out there, they’ll fall in line. And keep in mind they want to please you. That’s what parents miss. Your kid actually wants to please you. So this is all doable. This is a good question. Thank you, Dee.
Doug: Yeah. I’m going to do the eBook promotion, and then I’m going to tell a funny story about Andrea because it’s always fun to make her look bad. I love it. It’s one of my favorite things to do.
Andrea: Yeah, I love you too, honey.
Doug: Yeah. Sweet. So the eBook promo is The Way of the Wise for a buck 99 between now and the end of April. So you only have a couple of days to get this. So wherever eBooks are sold, for $1.99. And RedDog911 off Amazon said, “I enjoyed this quick read of Dr. Leman’s. His insights into the verses he’s chosen are laced with his own wisdom and humor. A refreshing read.” So if you haven’t read Way of the Wise, you can get it now until the end of April of 2020 for $1.99. Also, now, a no-nonsense parenting moment with Dr. Kevin Leman.
Dr. Leman: Hey, parents. Do you ever have input into your kids youth group, church group, social group, whatever? I think parents are always looking for ideas that are healthy and good for kids. Let me give you a couple of them.
Dr. Leman: How about a carwash? “Well, Lehman, how many people have car washes?” “A lot of people have car washes. What so new about that?” “Well, how about a carwash that doesn’t charge?” “Oh, I get you. That’s a better way to make money. They’ll give you donations, right?” “No, you’re still not there. How about a car wash where we don’t accept donations?” “What do you mean? Well, how much clearer can I be? We don’t accept donations from anybody. We just wash peoples’ cars.”
Dr. Leman: Or how about projects in your neighborhood where your kids go over and volunteer to help an elderly person in the neighborhood, whether it’s raking leaves or shoveling snow, or you name it, but without payment. Kids should learn to serve other people without anything but a “thank you” as a reward, if you want to call it that. It’s a feeling that you get when you give to other people anonymously. Set up those situations for kids. Kids need to know that other people count in life. Let’s face it, kids are pretty hedonistic. They care about only themselves in too many situations, so look for ways where they can serve other people. It’s good for all of us, isn’t it?
Doug: Okay, so here is my funny story about Andrea that totally proves your point that children are not innocent. I know I’ve said it before in the podcast, but it just so perfectly highlights it.
Doug: I don’t know, three, four years ago our kids said, while we were driving somewhere, we would have a discussion before we would get in the car on who was going to get mom to play the music we wanted to play on the radio, and we knew that the youngest could do it one way and the oldest could do it another way. So we would look at where mom’s temperature was and make a game plan to get what we wanted on the radio. That’s a sweet little Terpening.
Andrea: And that makes me look bad-
Dr. Leman: No.
Andrea: … because I’m manipulated by my children?
Doug: No, it doesn’t make you look bad. It makes you look like [crosstalk 00:00:18:09]-
Dr. Leman: They’re schemers. Yeah, schemers.
Andrea: And they admitted it.
Doug: Well, this is why I think your point that children are schemers is so important, that these kids are not innocent in their behavior. Right? This is what you’re trying to get us to understand. They are testing the waters to see if they can get what they want. Right?
Dr. Leman: Hey listen, I’ve loved the past few podcasts we’ve done and I know we get a lot of positive feedback from people about how they love the practical nature and the fact that they tend to be a little entertaining as well. But why don’t you do us a favor here, the three of us, and put a post up on your Facebook, on your social media, and just give a shout out to other parents who you think might be attracted to hanging out with us and learning how to be a better parent, better married person, better single person, by just listening to our podcast. I mean it’s free, so take advantage of it. But we’d appreciate your help. We want you to have social interest in other people and we appreciate you following us and listening to us, but help pass that along, would you? We’d appreciate it.
Doug: And to follow that up, to make it even easier for you, Revell and Baker Books, our dear friends, this week are giving away the book, The Birth Order Book on Facebook. So if you go to Dr. Kevin Lehman’s Facebook page, Dr. Kevin Leman, you can go there and there’s going to have some simple contest. Maybe it’s whoever answers the question of what birth order they’re in or whatever, then they’re randomly going to draw and send you a hard copy of The Birth Order Book. So definitely, you can go to his webpage, Dr. Kevin Leman, L-E-M-A-N, and enter there to get that.
Doug: Also, you can get Way of the Wise, buck 99. And in a week, his new book comes out, Why Your Kid Misbehaves-and What to Do About It. Cannot recommend it enough for the Dees of the world and the rest of us. Let’s get a game plan, makes all the difference in the world. So it’s a lot. It’s great to be with you guys today, and Dee, we love your question. We love everybody that leaves those audio questions. You can do that at birthorderguy.com. Great to be with you. It’s great to give you tools to love those kids more and more. We just thank you for being with us and we look forward to the next time.
Andrea: Hope you really enjoy those kids this week.
Doug: Especially those 18-months old.
Andrea: Yes, yes.
Doug: They grow up so fast.
Andrea: So sweet.
Doug: Yep. Put them in the play pen and then hold them once they’re done and just love them, love them, love them. So fun. Okay. Take care.
Andrea: Bye-bye.
Doug: Bye.
]]>Is it really possible to prevent your kid’s misbehavior before it starts? Listen in to to today’s episode for Dr. Leman’s advice on parenting misbehaved children.
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Andrea: Everything and everyone is calling and screaming for my attention and now you’re telling me, Dr. Leman, that my kid’s misbehavior is rooted in their desire for my attention?
Doug: Hi, I’m Doug Terpening.
Andrea: And I’m Andrea.
Doug: We are so glad that you are here because we’re going to talk today about how to stop misbehavior before it starts. That sounds like a promise that’s too good to be true, doesn’t it, Andrea?
Andrea: Yeah.
Doug: How do you stop behavior? Okay, well, if you are first time here, welcome. You’re in for a treat. If you’ve never met Dr. Leman, he is a fabulous gentleman: super funny, super practical, down to earth. I wish you guys could all hear what we say before we hit record on this button. He is always nice to Andrea and he’s always mean to me. It’s worse when the microphone is not on.
Doug: I want to remind you that this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or your child, please, go seek a local professional for help.
Doug: Dr. Leman, you’ve written a book called Have a New Kid by Friday. Now, you’ve written a book called While Your Kid Misbehaves and What to Do About It. You are making a promise that says that you can help us know how to stop misbehavior before it starts.
Andrea: In your book, you talk about four stages of misbehavior, so we’d love to hear some more about that.
Dr. Leman: Well, there are four stages of misbehavior, but what if we just focus on how to prevent misbehavior in your home? Do you really want to get to level three? Do you want to get to level four? I don’t think so. But there are four levels of misbehavior that kids give us. It’s engaging in what I call “purposive behavior.” In other words, those behaviors serve a purpose in the child’s life. That’s a psychological term, “purposive.”
Dr. Leman: We could go into those in great detail, but I really think we should do what we say we’re going to do and that is, “Okay, Leman, show me how, do I create situations in my home so my kids don’t misbehave?” Okay, well, let’s start early. When that baby comes out of that womb, that child is 100% dependent upon you, parent. It really starts at that point where you make a commitment to each other that you will be on the same page as parents, that you will speak common language, that you will invest in this child, okay?
Dr. Leman: As they grow, kids have no interest socially in anybody else. They’re, again, hedonistic. When they’re infants, they want to be fed, they want to be held, they want to be comforted, they love tactile stimulation, all those things. All right, let’s get that child to age a year, nine months. They’re in the high chair. If you put the child in a high chair, he or she stays in the high chair until breakfast is over, until lunch is over, until dinner is over. Now, do you make a 11-month-old stay in a chair for an hour while you finish? No, you don’t. The point is, you take time for training.
Dr. Leman: What’s really important for young parents to understand: that routines are important, the mundane is important. That’s why kids take naps. Again, parent, you don’t sit down and say to your husband or your wife, “All right, now hear this. This will be the schedule for the Terpening baby.” It doesn’t work that way. Every child comes with a unique schedule. You watch your children, you’re with them every day, and you’ll develop a very natural rhythm for when that child eats, when they take their naps, when they go night-night for good, all those kinds of things.
Dr. Leman: You have to commit the wisely using. Now, notice the word “wisely,” wisely using your authority, and that’s a God-given authority, friends, to be the parent you need to be. All those Leman books will help you be the parent that, quite frankly, God would have you be. You have to understand that kids, by their nature, by their nature, I know they’re sinful. Nobody had to teach a kid to tell a lie that they didn’t take the cookie, okay, or they didn’t run their finger through the chocolate cake. Nobody had to teach a kid that. They have a sinful nature, okay? I get it, you get it.
Dr. Leman: The point is this: The kids basically want to make us happy. They want to please us. Why not empower them as they grow older? “Well, what does that mean, Leman?” It means your three-year-old can help unload the dishwasher. The three-year-old can help feed the dog. Involve kids, empower them. As they grow older, listen to them.
Dr. Leman: I’m flying through these things, folks. We could probably do a podcast on every one of these things. Listening is a great skill. Many times, we just shut off kids. We send a message that “I don’t care what you think.” Well, if you want a prescription for disaster, there it is. Are kids going to come up with great ideas? Yeah, once in a while. Most of their ideas are impractical. Some of them are downright impossible. They’re kids, okay? As you listen to them and you give them responsibility, you talk vitamin E to your children.
Dr. Leman: What does that mean? Well, if you’re not a listener to our podcast on a regular basis, we may have to remind you, vitamin E is what? Encouragement. It’s a way of responding to the acts your kids do in a positive way: “Honey, thank you so much for helping after dinner. That was so kind of you.” That’s an encouraging statement. “Oh, honey, you are so good. Here’s $5.” That doesn’t help, parents. That’s reward and punishment that was gone out years ago. Learning to talk vitamin E, again, many of the Leman books will help you become pretty good at talking with vitamin E, encouragement.
Dr. Leman: Then lastly, I’m going to say this: Your kids have to know you care, that you have their back and you give comfort. When they fall and they skin their knee, you give comfort. When their boyfriend dumps them after a beautiful romance of 10 days in seventh grade, you need to comfort. You need to listen. You need to sit back. You have to sometimes wipe those tears away.
Dr. Leman: Well, there’s a short course. You just heard it, okay? I don’t know where Andrea and Handsome Boy will take this, but that’s the short course in how to prevent misbehavior.
Doug: Ooh, I liked the “Handsome Boy.” Andrea, did you hear that? “Handsome Boy.”
Andrea: I heard that.
Doug: All right, wow.
Andrea: All right, Handsome Boy, what do you think?
Doug: Oh, wow. I like this. Well, now I’m all confused because now I’m thinking about the “handsome” part.
Doug: Dr. Leman, again, I’m surprised. If I going to stop behavior, the very first thing that you said was “You have to be on the same page,” or really near the front, was “same page as parents.” You used to have parents come into your office, drop Buford off, and then you would say, “Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. You two stay. We have to talk to you.” Why is that so important and how does that spouse get that other one to at least be somewhat on the same page with them?
Dr. Leman: Well, what happens in life when we marry is we tend to marry someone very different from us, which is good, but when it comes to parenting, one may have a very authoritarian stance and to balance it off, the mate might take the permissive stance. We got good cop and bad cop trying to parent kids.
Dr. Leman: Now, all those things that I just went through, which was a pretty good list of things to get a parent to be able to stop misbehavior before it starts, all of those would be blown out of the water by simply making one parent the good cop and one parent the bad cop, one the authoritarian and one the permissive. You have to be on the same page. You can do all these wonderful things, but if your mate sabotages that, we don’t get to where we want to be.
Doug: Because why? What does that do to the kids?
Dr. Leman: It gives them double messages. It teaches them to be manipulative because they know that they can work Mom, if she’s the easy one, or Dad, if he’s the easy one. It teaches them to do things we really don’t want them to do or be.
Doug: The reason I’m bringing this one up is I think, Andrea, I think this is one of the biggest changes in our marriage after listening to Dr. Leman, was we got way more on the same page about how we were going to parent, right? We came more in the middle, right? Because it’s exactly what you said, Andrea was the permissive, I was the authoritarian, and it gave us what you said, the second one, which was interesting, was same language, that we would start to use the same terminologies. I think your books really help parents who have neither of those, a plan or language, both of those. Would you not agree?
Andrea: Absolutely.
Doug: Why do you think that reading Dr. Leman’s book helped you stop being so permissive?
Andrea: I think probably what it did is it just gave me those pocket phrases, which made sense. Then I didn’t have to resort to being permissive because I now had something tangible to use to actually train them in the way that I would want them to go, where before, it was more like giving up or giving in and resorting to, “Well, this is too hard.”
Doug: Yeah. That’s one of the great things about, especially this book is that you talk about how we, me and you, Andrea, grew up and we parents had just the way we were parented in many ways. We just carbon copied it, but the pocket phrases, the new language, we didn’t react out of our old habits, but we actually got to start responding with these new phrases and those phrases gave us the 20 seconds to calm down. Dr. Leman, any reaction to that?
Dr. Leman: Well, I’m thinking of Gary Chapman’s book as you guys were speaking. He wrote The Five Love Languages and most people know what those are, we won’t go through them, but most couples have different love languages. I always loved the birth order book for lots of reasons because it gives insight into marriage as well as parenthood, but it gives you a way of taking a hold of life, looking at our kids, looking at our marriage. It helps us to navigate the pathway to being on the same page as husband and wife.
Dr. Leman: It all starts with you, parents. I remind you that you have God-given authority in your back pocket. You have all the gold, so to speak, in your back pocket. Again, your kids wouldn’t be wearing shoes today if you didn’t buy them for them. They wouldn’t be closed today if you didn’t buy those clothes for them. You have extreme authority and you have to learn to use that wisely, not as a authoritarian “All right, listen up. You’re going to do what I tell you to do,” and certainly not as a permissive because that’s not a use of authority in any shape or form.
Dr. Leman: Is there an art form in parenting? Yeah, there probably is, it’s part of it, but you have to work at betting on the same page, or like I say, all these things we just went through will be blown out of the water. It’ll be in vain. That’s principle number one, that the two will work toward oneness. I think quite frankly, that God gave us that. The differences in to make us really work hard at becoming a couple. It’s not easy.
Doug: Well, I find it so interesting. This is not where Andrea and I thought we were going to take this conversation at all and yet it is the foundational piece that if the couple can get on the same page, you can solve a heck of a lot of problems. We weren’t on the same page for years and years and years and it created problems with our kids. I also think of how many fights we had, not fights, discussions we had about, “Hey, you let this kid do this,” “Well, you did this with the kid,” until we got on the same page, which caused friction in our marriage, too.
Dr. Leman: Hmm. See, that gets down to exercising your will, okay, against your mate. It gets you both on a defensive, then you become competitive in the marriage. I’ve said many times that marriage is not a competitive sport. If someone is winning your marriage, you both lose.
Dr. Leman: It really comes back to a word that people really don’t like. In fact, I love the time I was speaking at Women of Faith in Las Vegas with 10,000 women in a round and I just said to them, “I’ve chosen as a topic this evening how to be a submissive woman.” Oh, man, it was so much fun to say that. I mean, they all looked at me like, “You’re a dead man.”
Dr. Leman: The reality is if you want to be a couple, if you really want oneness, which is the foundation of what we’re talking about today, how to keep your kids from misbehaving before it starts, be a couple, have oneness. Submit to who? To almighty God. Trust Him in all things. In doing so, by not sharing judgments, by sharing feelings, you will be drawn together and you will form a union that cannot be penetrated by the enemy. A reminder, the enemy are your children. You’re the one that brought the Trojan horse in your home, okay? Just to put a little humor on it.
Dr. Leman: This is workable. This is workable. This is a good podcast. I hope people will take this podcast and call their buddies and say, “Hey, listen to this, this is pretty good,” because this is one of the better ones I think we’ve ever done.
Doug: Well, and I feel like if you’re listening to this, you’re like, “Wow, guys, give me something super practical that I can execute on,” and I’m like, “I don’t know how more clear we can say this. This is the most important first step, is get on the same page with your spouse.”
Doug: The thing I like about this new book is as a male, I’m the male, right, is that it’s super easy to read and it’s like there is super practical, there’s like “the seven stages of this” and “the four steps of this” and “the four ways you do this,” so that it’s for someone’s brain like mine that likes things actually sequential, I’m like, “Oh, okay. Great. I see how this goes,” so that then you and I can be on the same page.
Dr. Leman: Well, yeah. Doug, let’s, in full disclosure, tell our listeners that Doug, he just said, is a man. I just want to point out the guy drinks tea, okay? He is a Renaissance man.
Doug: Hey, it’s strong tea. Back off.
Dr. Leman: He’s a Renaissance man. He drinks tea. He likes the theater. He’s a reader and yet he’s a people person. I love the guy. She got a good… I told her. She called me one day, she said, “Dr. Leman, should I dump Doug?” I said, “Dump him? You kidding me? He’s a winner. You want to hang on to him. You could put him on eBay. You could get thousands for him.”
Andrea: I decided to hang on to him, yep, for this many years.
Doug: Thanks, Leman. Thanks, Leman. You-
Dr. Leman: Oh, good choice.
Andrea: I’ll just keep mine and his tea.
Doug: … Yeah, usually. Oh, man. Going to the theater with my daughters is so fun. Okay, Andrea, help us get back on track. That’s your job. Okay.
Doug: Before I forget, I want to make sure that you get a chance to go get the book, The Way of the Wise, between now and the end of April of 2020 for a dollar 99 wherever eBooks are sold, The Way of the Wise. Andrea has an Amazon review from Jane that you can get it for only a buck 99. Go ahead, Andrea.
Andrea: “If you’re already familiar with Dr. Kevin Leman, you’ll love this book. If this is your introduction to his writing, you’re in for a treat. Leman takes some of Scripture’s greatest hits and weaves them together as a series of funny, warm, often inspiring stories. The result is a book that takes about 60 minutes to read, but one could lead to life-altering changes. This book is as entertaining as it is instructive thanks to the vignettes that pair so well with the verses Leman selects. It will cause you to ask yourself some tough questions and to challenge the notion that life just is the way it is. Open this book and you’ll open yourself to an opportunity for meaningful growth. I loved it. Jane.”
Doug: Thanks, Jane. Jane. Get it between now and the end of April of 2020, The Way of the Wise for a dollar 99. Now, a no-nonsense parenting moment with Dr. Kevin Leman.
Dr. Leman: Parents, every day, you have an opportunity to comment not already on how your child looks on the outside. I know those kids are cute, downright adorable, quite frankly. I know at our schools, I love to just watch the children in the natural state: just playing, smiling, laughing, giggling. They’re beautiful. But how many times a day you notice that they’re beautiful on the inside?
Dr. Leman: When those kids say things that are kind and encouraging to others, don’t miss the opportunity to pull that child aside and say, “Honey, when you had your little girlfriend over this afternoon and you were doing your little playdate, I couldn’t help but overhear what you said to her and I thought what you said to her was really kind. You were really talking about the good qualities that she has. No wonder you like her as a friend. I’m really proud of the fact that you can choose good friends, but you know what? It’s really important for all of us to look inside, because beauty sometimes can be hidden and when we see beauty in someone we should comment on it.” That’s a great way to encouraging everybody in life.
Andrea: Dr. Leman, you can give us a whole bunch of things that we create situations so they misbehave and we talked about being on the same page. The one that really sparked my mind was taking time for training and building a routine and a schedule into their life. I’m curious why having a schedule is so important for that small child.
Dr. Leman: Well, children get security from the mundane, from the predictable. Now, if you don’t think that’s true, ask a parent who’s lost their child’s favorite binky. I’m telling you, there’s stories where people traveled 30 miles to find the store that carried the same kind of binky because a child just a few months old knows the difference between their favorite binky, which was lost and we have no idea where it went, it could have gone down the toilet for all we know. I’m just telling you that routine gives confidence and security, warmth, a feeling of closeness. You don’t want to get kids off scheduled.
Dr. Leman: All you mommies, listen to me, you’re traveling. You’ve got to go to your in-laws, which quite frankly, is not one of your favorite trips, okay, but you have to go because you’re trying to honor your husband and to tell the truth, he is not real happy to go either. You know those situations. When you travel and you get your kids out of sync, what kind of behavior can you expect?
Doug: Well, not to go back to, since we’ve been talking more about parents, you’ve said “One of the most important things is that parents are predictable, that the kids know how you’re going to behave.” This is where having a game plan, having an idea of how you want to parent instead of just making it up on the fly is gold, honestly. Even if it’s a little different, it’s way better because then our kids don’t have to guess what’s going to happen. This is why I think reading any of these books are amazing to help you out.
Andrea: Going back to the schedule thing, if I had a child that had no routine in their early life and as they get older and reach their adolescent years, how does it affect them if their life has just been chaos all growing up?
Dr. Leman: Well, a good guess, and this is a guess, Andrea, but a good guess would be that that kid will be all over the place. He or she will run from pillar to post, just looking for the next new excitement. These are kids that tend to find it difficult just to sit and enjoy something quietly. They’re kids that run from pillar to post.
Doug: Okay, well, we really got to the foundation of how to stop misbehavior before it starts and at the same time, we never got to talk about the four stages of misbehavior.
Andrea: The four stages.
Dr. Leman: No, no, no.
Doug: We’re totally out of time. We’re totally out of time.
Dr. Leman: Yeah, we’re not talking about them either because guess what?
Doug: What?
Dr. Leman: If you really want to dig into this, you’re going to have to get a copy of, guess what, Why Your Kids Misbehave and What to Do About It.
Doug: True.
Dr. Leman: There’s a genius to this podcast, in a way. We’ve whetted your whistle and then some. Now, you need to follow through and pick up a copy of that book because that will help you sew all these ideas together and give you a great game plan.
Doug: Well, this is why I don’t like you because Andrea and I think we know what you’re supposed to talk about and then you are like, “You’ve skipped over like three steps to get to there,” and then it’s always like, “Oh, yeah, that is more foundational, huh, Andrea?”
Andrea: Yeah.
Dr. Leman: Well, let me add one thing. Let me ask you guys a question. What do you think that Kevin Leman, that would be me, is going to have for breakfast this morning?
Doug: Oh, I know. Toast.
Andrea: Toast and coffee.
Doug: Toast and coffee.
Andrea: With jam on it.
Doug: Yep.
Dr. Leman: All right, that’s just my early… I got up at 4:30 this morning and as we’re doing this right now, it’s about 6:55 in the morning. When I get up, I take medicine. I take a little something and you’re right, I’ll have a little English muffin with a little jam on it, well, a lot of jam on it. But when I go out for breakfast, I will have two eggs over medium, hash browns, bacon lightly done, please, and dry whole-wheat toast or nine-grain toast and a cup of coffee. I’ll have that today. I’ll have that tomorrow.
Dr. Leman: When I traveled to Europe last year and you go to breakfast in Europe, I don’t get it. I mean, there’s fish, there’s cheeses, there’s slices of ham, turkey. I never did see a hash brown all the time I was in Spain or Germany, for that matter, and I felt like a fish out of water. I was out of my comfort zone. Everybody’s not a creature of habit like I am. Men tend to be much more creatures of habit than women do. Now, that’s a wide brush. Again, all women are not the same. All men are not the same.
Dr. Leman: My point is when you get that fish out of their environment, they’re going to be a little uncomfortable. With kids, when you get them out of a routine, just talk to any parent who’s three-year-old missed their nap, you tell me what dinner’s going to be like. I can tell you what it’s going to be like, it’s going to be pandemonium.
Doug: This is the reason, Andrea, that I need so many kisses from you because it’s part of the routine.
Andrea: Oh, because it’s part of the routine, huh?
Doug: It’s part of the routine. This is why I need all of them. Otherwise, I just felt like a fish out of water and then I get all cranky and whiny.
Andrea: Oh, I see.
Doug: Alrighty. Thank you, Dr. Leman, again, for getting us back to the foundations of how to stop behavior before it starts.
Andrea: What I’m seeing is it goes back to us as parents again. It’s always going back to us as parents and our parenting style. I like the phrase that Dr. Leman used couple of weeks ago on the podcast that it’s a vitamin D deficiency in your parenting. I know you refer to “vitamin E” and “vitamin N,” but I think just in general, that’s a really good phrase to remember: If the kids are getting off, how much of it is my vitamin deficiency in my parenting?
Doug: And encourage all you parents, Dr. Leman has said “Your kids will quickly change when you change.” I’m telling you, we’ve seen it in our kids. When I’ve changed and my kids have said “Thank you for changing,” it can happen. Okay, get on the same page as parents. Get the same language, which is way more important than you think it is. If you don’t have the same parenting language, trust me. Wisely use your authority, listening, and learn how to give vitamin E, not vitamin P.
Doug: A couple of wrap-up things that are kind of fun. Revell Baker are our friends and they have offered to give away a free Dr. Kevin Leman book this week. If you go to Dr. Leman’s Facebook, Dr. Kevin Leman, if you search for that, they are giving away, which is really fun, this week you can get, I’m telling you, one of the best books, Have a New Kid by Friday. Go there. They have a little contest for you. I’m not sure what it is, but I’m just happy that they’re giving books away.
Doug: Secondly, you can get Way of the Wise between now and the end of April for a buck 99. Honestly, I can’t encourage you enough, if you have not read a Leman book or you have read one, to go get… Well, I guess you can’t get it yet, but in a couple of weeks you can get the new one, Why Your Kid Misbehaves and What to Do About It, so you learn about the four stages of misbehavior, which we didn’t get to on this podcast.
Doug: Well, we love being with you. We look forward to the next time that we get to hang out with you. It really is a joy for us. Thank you for joining us.
Andrea: Have a great week giving vitamin E and N to your kids.
Doug: And getting on the same page.
Andrea: Yep.
Doug: Alrighty. Well, take care. See you next time.
Andrea: Have a good week.
Doug: Bye-bye.
]]>It’s time for another Ask Dr. Leman! Listen in to find out how Dr. Leman give Ellen tips on how to defend against a “Teenage Punk Attitude Attack.”
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Doug: Oh my baby boy’s and angel. And then he turned 14 and now he is got a teenage punk attitude. That’s the question that Ellen said, “Dr. Leman, how could this have happened to my angel baby boy?” And we get here, Dr. Leman’s answer today.
Doug: Hi, I’m Doug Terpening and I’m Andrea and we are so glad that you are with us today and it is a joy to be with you to add to that parenting toolbox. And I want to let you know that this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or child, please go seek a local professional for help.
Doug: So Dr. Leman, we get an audio question today, which I absolutely love. And everybody, you can go to birthorderguy.com and go to podcast questions and leave them there. Or if you don’t find that, you could also look at the various episodes you can go to birthorderguy.com/, like this one is 309 and at the bottom there’s a microphone and you can leave your question there. But today’s I love because she says, “My kid has a punk attitude.” So let us jump in to see what Ellen has to say.
Ellen: Dr. Leman, I would like to know how to han … my oldest son who’s just always been so tenderhearted, kind, sweet, will talk to me and share his heart. Wants to always be a help, but he turned 13. Well, he’s going on 14 he’ll be 14 in a few months. But ever since he turned about the time he turned 13, maybe a little bit before, he’s gradually gotten worse with just an attitude in a, just a disrespectful instead of just kindly obeying, which I know kids don’t always obey perfectly all the time, but he can be really rude and say mean cutting things to me and I don’t quite know what to do and how to punish him for that.
Ellen: How do you advise taking care of this teenage punk attitude, when I tell him, tell him things I want him to do or accomplish around the house and him saying, “You just want to make me miserable. You don’t want me to have any fun. You don’t want me to have any time.” Just saying just mean things and if I forget to do something that I told him that I would do and I maybe didn’t get around to it because I had taken care of his three younger brothers, said “You’re a liar, you told me you would do that,” just stuff like that, that’s just not really him or who he used to be anyway. And I don’t quite know what to do with it and how to handle it. I think he’s getting too old to necessarily spank and I just don’t know how to handle it.
Dr. Leman: Well I appreciate that question. I don’t blame you for saying, “I don’t know how to handle it,” because you’ve been thrown a tremendous curve ball. You’ve got this sweet kid, he talks to you, you got a good relationship, all of a sudden at 13 there’s a beginning of a change and it’s gotten worse. And it’s gotten worse because you haven’t known what to do. And it’s a tough thing to do as a parent. The things that he says and his snarky punk attitude probably makes you feel like second guessing yourself and, “What have I created?” And, “Is this my fault?” And those are questions that go through a woman’s head. And again, it’s a very special relationship between a mommy and a son, so I can see why you’re feeling the way you are. But his cutting remarks, his meanness, his disrespectful attitude are a product of a couple of things.
Dr. Leman: First of all, he’s going through a growth period in his life where hormones are changing. He’s physically changing. He has gone from a little boy into a young man. And I think part of what’s going on, he’s sort of sorting out, are the things that mom has taught me about life, are they true? He’s trying to figure out where he fits in. I mean, ask everybody who’s got a kid 13 or 14, ask yourself this question. Who would your child like to be? That’s the question, I want you all to answer it in your mind. Okay? You got an answer? Let me give you my answer. Anybody but him or her. It’s that time where the identity of who they are is being challenged by themselves. They’re trying to figure it all out.
Dr. Leman: I wrote a book once called Running the Rapids and I like the title because if you’ve ever been in a little float boat of sorts and gone through rapids, you know that before the rapids there’s this wonderful calm water and you’re just sitting in your little two-man floater and you’re enjoying the picturesque surroundings. It’s peaceful and quiet. Well that’s sort of a word picture of your son before his 13th birthday. Things were sailing along fine and all of a sudden you get in the rapids and man, you’re hanging on, you’re, you’re a white knuckling it and then you hit the calm again.
Dr. Leman: And so kids at that age, “Mom, what are we having for dinner?” “Chicken.” “Chicken, you know I hate chicken, I hate chicken.” And you’re thinking, “Wait a minute, four nights ago the kid had six pieces of chicken. I was wanting to know where he was putting it. Certainly couldn’t be in his stomach.” But see, they’re extreme at that point. “You never let me do this.” In fact, I’m quoting you, “You just want to make me miserable.” Now to be practical with you, the next time he says, “You just want to make me miserable,” just look at him and say, “Wow, bingo. You guessed it. I was put on this earth to make your life miserable.” This is progress. Okay?
Dr. Leman: His snarkiness, his inability to do simple things you ask, now you’re asking me, “Hey, I don’t know what to do about it,” and I’m beginning to tell you what to do about it. When things aren’t done, one of the principles is, B doesn’t start until A gets completed. If you drive that kid to school, for example, and he hasn’t done something the day before or the night of, the next morning, don’t be moving. Be sitting there looking at your computer. “Mom, we got to go.” “Go where?” “Mom? What are you talking about? I got to be the school. It’s 10 to eight. We got to leave.” “Honey, I see you haven’t done your work from last night yet.” Now, what you said is, “I see you haven’t done your work from last night yet.” Now again, he’s going to get mad, he’s going to be like a fish on a dock. He’s going to be flopping around. He’s doing something very unnatural because you’ve throw him a curve ball. But you’re going to stick to your guns and you’re not driving him to school until that work gets done.
Dr. Leman: “Well, Dr. Leman, he’s going to be an hour late for school.” So be it, but email the school or call the school and tell them he’s going to be late and ask that assistant principal to haul him in to the office and say, “Hey, what gives?” And tell them, tell the principal he has no reason to be late for school. It’s an unexcused absence. Let them deal with it they want to. Keep the tennis ball life in his court.
Dr. Leman: And so don’t feel like you have to do anything for this 14 year old kid. I think what you’re seeing is normal behavior. It’s not respectful behavior, but it’s normal for a lot of kids who are going through this sorting out process of adolescence. But my only caution would be if you see in your kid’s behavior a change in friends, a drastic change in dress, grades that just fall off the table, cutting school, antisocial things, any sign of cutting or anything like that. If you don’t see that, then I would write this off as, “Hey, welcome to the rocky rapids of adolescence.” And you’ll have some rough spots, but you’ll hit the calm. You’ll hear, “Mom, I love you,” and you’re going to hear, “Mom, you’re the worst mom that could ever be here. You’re trying to make my life miserable.” So don’t overreact. Learn to respond, walk out, get away, take care of yourself, but don’t take any guff. Don’t take any lip from him at all. So if he’s disrespectful, B doesn’t happen until A gets completed. Well, what’s A in that situation? He needs to come around without your urging and apologize to you. So that’s starters. Now we’ll go to our resident parents and see what they seem to think on this one.
Doug: So Dr. Leman, on the last podcast, we were asking, how do I know when it’s misbehavior and when it’s just something else? And I think for a lot of parents we want to excuse bad behavior as something else. So in this question, I think, for me I’m like, how do I know when this 14 year old boy has crossed this line that it’s not just, “I’m changing and all that.”
Dr. Leman: The etiology of this, okay, comes from adolescence. He’s undergoing all kinds of physical and emotional changes in his life. So there is a reason for the behavior. But here’s what I want people to hear. That’s not an excuse to bad-mouth his mother or be disrespectful to his mother or rude to his mother. So you still deal with the behavior, the rudeness, the snarkiness, whatever it is, the disrespect. You still deal with that, even though you realize that the basis of this behavior is probably physiological, hormonal to a large degree. So what I’m saying, you still don’t accept the behavior.
Doug: So, I just can’t, I’ll be honest, I don’t think nowadays parents could do that. What I mean by that is wait, wait, wait, if it’s because he’s becoming a teenager, there’s my reason and excuse to let it happen. And I just figure, “Okay, that’s the teenage years and it’ll work itself out eventually.” But you’re telling me no, no, no, you deal with the disrespect and the snarky. Why would I?
Dr. Leman: Well, 14 to 25 is a long time, Doug, so you’re not going to tolerate it. You’re going to deal with the behavior.
Doug: Ah, then it’s not just going to change as he gets out of the teenage years, this snarky and how he treats mom and disrespects her.
Dr. Leman: In all probability, since this kid had a good relationship with his mom, a closeness to his mom, he’s probably going to end up a great son. But you still don’t excuse the behavior because he’s a pubescent or an adolescent.
Doug: Yeah. To add to that, since we’ve changed our parenting style from me being super-authoritarian and Andrea being permissive, now that we have, our son’s been gone for three years serving abroad and had some really hard things happen to him, and he had to lead other kids, actually. He’s come back and said, “Mom and dad, when you confronted me, when you dealt with these issues, I didn’t like it at the time, but now I appreciate it more than ever.” And he is way hanging out with us. Right Andrea?
Andrea: Very much so. Yeah.
Dr. Leman: Brag about your kid for just a minute, because I think it’s important for people to see that when kids go away, and two of your kids are doing some extraordinary things right now, and they get to meet other kids and they hear other kids’ stories about their own families, for example. “Wow. These old people, Doug and Andrea, their stock just went sky high.” It’s like gold prices.
Doug: Well, and that was my point is by us not sweeping this under the carpet when he was a teenager at our house, and it was uncomfortable at times and difficult, we have reaped the rewards now. Wouldn’t you say Andrea?
Andrea: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Doug: Yeah, I mean, it’s crazy. The great, wonderful, deep, connected conversations we have with our kids now, both of them, because of those hard conversations. And yet in love, we did it. So this is where I think you’re the one that wanted to bring up the question last week. What is misbehaving and what is expectations? Which is why I think your new book is so good. Why Do Kids Misbehave and What You’re Supposed to do About it. And this is what you have given the gift to Andrea and Doug Terpening is we’re able to see now what was misbehaving in our teenagers and what was just allowing us to ignore it and let it go by and to not power up and get in their sails.
Doug: And again, this book is so easy to read that you should get it. So. Okay for those that want, you should go buy that book on May 5th, Why Your Kids Misbehave, so that you don’t end up in these kinds of situations and can have great kids. But for today you can get The Way of the Wise for $1.99 Between now and April 30th of 2020. Dr. Leman, what is the book The Way of the Wise about?
Dr. Leman: Well, I always say books are like kids, they’re all different. But this is one of my favorite kids. There was a guy named King Solomon who was the brightest, smartest, wisest king of all. And in the Book of Proverbs, Proverbs three, I love that little chapter. And in a few verses I pulled 10 little principles for living life well. And it’s a book that I would suggest, okay parents, if you have a kid, a teenager, a college student, this is a great book for an adult, but it’s a great book for those kids that are sorting things out now, and trying to figure out what life’s all about, and is what I learned in church and Sunday school true? And what mom has taught me, is it true? All those things are going on.
Dr. Leman: This is a wonderful little book. It’s an inspirational book. It’s very auto-biographical. It’s part of my coming to faith and, again, remember I was a guy that didn’t want anything to do with God. I mean my mom dragged me to church, but I had no relationship with God and I think it’s a fun look at serious issues and I’ll give you one little tidbit. The scripture says. “And He will direct your paths.” I like to point out to the reader that it doesn’t say path, singular, it’s plural. Your paths. You and Andrea have not had just one path in life. You’ve had multiple paths in life. We all do. And it’s a book that makes you really sort of rethink where you are in faith.
Dr. Leman: It’s a great book to give to someone who’s struggling with faith, but it’s one of my little favorites. When I go to a church and I do church weekends. In fact, I had somebody ask me yesterday, “Well, with your busy schedule, do you have time to do?” And this is a lady who lives in Chicago. I said, “Listen, talk to people in your church, have them call Debbie, my assistant, and I’ll come running to your church.” I love doing church weekends. But when I go to that church I go on a Sunday morning, my preference is to start the conference by having me speak in church. And those guys that are sort of on the outside looking in in they’re not sure where they are, they figured out real quickly that I’m not a stiff. Because that sermon’s going to be alive.
Dr. Leman: But it’s based on this little book, The Way of the Wise. And I can always tell by the book table how that message is received. And whenever I bring The Way of the Wise to a seminar, they’re cleaned out, they’re cleaned out before the seminar kicks in half the time. I can hardly keep that book in stock. It’s a good little book. So I can’t tell you enough. You can download that, what is it? $1.99, is that what it is?
Doug: $1.99 between now and the end of April of 2020.
Dr. Leman: Oh Boy, yeah. We’ll do it.
Doug: So get it before it’s gone. You only got a couple of weeks, so go for it. So now, a no-nonsense parenting moment with Dr. Kevin Leman.
Dr. Leman: Okay, this one’s going to hurt. Perfectionism is slow suicide. Some of you parents are perfectionistic, you know who you are. You worry, you even put your own efforts down even when they’re pretty good because there’s one flaw in the project or the thing that you’ve made or the entertaining you did. That critical eye can just defeat you, but worse than that, it can defeat everybody around you. So rather than look for the negative, if you’re one of those people, just try to catch yourself. Catch yourself from commenting on the one thing that’s a little out of shape or a little out of line or a little off, and concentrate on what your son or daughter has achieved. Learn to say things like, “Nice job, good job. Honey, it looks like all that time you put into that project’s really paying off. Congratulations.” Watch that negative eye. I’m telling you, it spawns negativity in your child all the way down the line.
Andrea: Okay. So Dr. Leman, back to Ellen, if she is able to kind of change how she’s treating her son at this point, how long will it take for her to see a change in his attitude?
Dr. Leman: There’s almost a one-to-one relationship, Andrea, between when she starts doing things differently. Again, I don’t know, maybe Ellen’s a single mom, I don’t know. If she is, we didn’t mention other kids in the family. Maybe she’s a single mom with one child.
Andrea: I think she said she has three other boys under him.
Dr. Leman: Oh, under him. So he’s the oldest. Okay.
Andrea: So this is top of four boys, yeah.
Dr. Leman: So more reason to contain his behavior by healthy responses. Okay. And so as she gets her little game plan together, she has to realize that he has been pushing the buttons, literally her buttons. And he’s making her feel guilty. He’s working her. And when she begins to change, that behavior can change literally in 48 hours. Is it all going to go away in 48 hours? No, but he’s going to start looking at mom a little differently and he’s going to be a lot more thoughtful about what comes out of his mouth, because he’s going to figure out real quickly this isn’t working for me.
Andrea: That’s great. That gives her hope and a lot of other parents out there hope to know that if I can change how I’m reacting to responding, then I can-
Dr. Leman: Let me give you one more little gem, and that is A, Ellen you have solid gold in your purse, in your pocket, so to speak. Your 14 year old can’t do one thing without your permission. He can’t engage in sports without your signature. There’s so many things, that parents need to understand, you do have authority. Exercise your authority. Keep that simple premise in mind that B does not start until A is completed. And that’ll help that transition, that your son will see that, “Uh oh,” all of a sudden mom’s changing and he has to change. Again, there’s a one-to-one relationship. Kids do not stay the same if you do major changing.
Doug: Yep. That is truer than true. So Dr. Leman, I am really excited about the new book. I’ve talked about it a bunch already. I’m going to keep talking about it because it’s such a good book. How would that book, Why Your Kid Misbehaves–and What to do About it, how would that help Ellen? How would that new book help her?
Dr. Leman: Well, it’ll give her the understanding that there’s actual reasons for the misbehavior that’s going on. Okay? It gives her a game plan where she figures out, “Okay, this kid now is exerting powerful behavior. So I have to do these things that are enumerated in the book consistently and I can expect to see change almost momentarily.” That’s a pretty good promise. If somebody promised me that and I had a kid like that, I’d be on that book immediately.
Doug: So again, for all the parents that are out there, for those of you that have never read a Dr. Leman book, I’m just telling you, go get this one. The concepts are so simple. The book is so easy to read. And I’ll say it because I know it’s true, the confidence that it gave you and I to change our behaviors, what we needed more than anything else. And we had to read a couple of them and we had to talk to Dr. Leman a whole bunch of times to get it. So if you’ve only read one Dr. Leman book and you’re like, “Well, I don’t know if I need another one?” I’m telling you, you do. Because it just gives you that deeper confidence to know what you’re supposed to do. So, and it’s a great book. It comes out in May 5th of 2020 and go and get it. So, Why Your Kids Misbehave–and What to Do about It. So you can be confident and love those kids as every mother just wants to love those little babies and kiss those cheeks. It gives you the confidence on how to do that.
Doug: So. Well, we look forward to the next time we get to be with you, and we love being with you so much and we hope that you are adding to your parenting toolbox so you can love them kids.
Andrea: Thanks Ellen for your great question and have a good week.
Doug: Take care. Bye bye.
Andrea: Bye bye.
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Andrea: Is this child misbehaving or are they just being a curious child, or are they actually responding to who they are and my expectations are wrong? This is what I want to know.
Doug: Hi, I’m Doug Terpening.
Andrea: And I’m Andrea.
Doug: And we are so glad that you are with us today on Have a New Kid by Friday, as we figure out, is that kid a misbehaving kid or not? Well, if this happens to be your first time here, welcome and you are allowed to misbehave as you listen to this podcast. Maybe that’s not true. I don’t know, maybe I shouldn’t give you that freedom, but I’m going to let you know that this is for your education and entertainment purposes only, and if any of this content gives you any concerns, please go seek a local professional for help.
Doug: Well, I am excited to talk about this Dr. Leman, to find out if it’s misbehavior or wrong expectations, because I’ve been telling Andrea for years. I’m not misbehaving, I’m not bad, she just has wrong expectations of me, right honey? Isn’t that what it is?
Andrea: I thought we were talking about kids now.
Doug: Oh, oops, we’re going to talk about kids today.
Andrea: Although, Dr. Leman has said that your husband is a three year old-
Doug: Is a four year old.
Andrea: Four year old. Yeah, that shaves?
Doug: That shaves and seeking attention. Okay. So we-
Andrea: I wasn’t thinking of you when this question came in my head.
Doug: Well, I’m just glad that Dr. Leman’s going to vindicate that I’m not misbehaving. Dr. Leman help us out, how do we know?
Dr. Leman: Well, this is interesting because as you are posing that question Andrea, I was thinking about Mrs. Upington, who has said to me more than a few times in our marriage. She says things like, “Lemy, would you behave yourself? Sometimes our husbands, a lady will say, well I’ve got three kids, well actually four if I include my husband. Some of us as husbands certainly misbehave. Will my newest book Why Your Kids Misbehave – and What to Do about It help you with your husband. Probably not. There’s other books like Have a New Husband by Friday, that one will help you or any of my marriage books will help you with husbands. But since we’re talking about kids, I think we’ve got to just face the fact that kids are kids, you know? That’s why God gave kids parents to help guide kids in a positive, good direction.
Dr. Leman: I mean, kids are kids to put it bluntly, they’re dumb as mud sometimes. A youngster, for example, you mentioned curiosity. A three year old could take a very expensive vase or bowl of glass or something that really has value and they could pick it up and just drop it on the floor just to hear that wonderful shattering sound. I mean, it’s trial and error as they go through life. And so kids get to a point of accountability where they understand that you don’t just pick up a bass and throw it on the floor, but kids are kids they’re going to do stupid dumb things. They’re going to do stupid dumb things when they’re 16, 17 years of age. Now if you don’t believe that’s true. Have a nice, honest conversation with your Geico person, your progressive person, your state farm person who did I leave out your farmers person and they’ll tell you, explain to you why you pay such high rates for your 16 year old daughter or son to drive the family car.
Dr. Leman: Again, I think that what happens in families is we have parents who really believed that kids ought to just be little mannequins, that they ought to fall in line and do everything mommy and daddy say, well, if that’s true, if that’s the thinking. Those parents came out of authoritarian training as most of us did as parents, okay. Some of the younger parents today had very permissive parents, okay. But the great majority of parents today still came out of semi-authoritarian families. And that gets us to the point that Andrea brought up is wait a minute, is this unrealistic expectations I have for my kids? Yes. Many of us have very unrealistic expectations for our kids. One of the things that people have said to me over the years of my career, they’ve said things like, Oh, are you going to analyze me? Anybody that knows me knows I’m not an analytical person.
Dr. Leman: I take people for what they are. I’m not afraid to show my flaws to other people. I’m a relational guy. I guess what I’m trying to say is sometimes we try to overanalyze our children and play armchair shrink with our kid and the brand new book I put out. The reason why I like it so much is it gives you an opportunity by just looking at your own feelings, parent. To decipher at what level of misbehavior your kid is misbehaving at. If you feel annoyed by the kid’s behavior, he or she is an attention getter. If you feel provoked, you have a powerful child on your hands. A kid misbehaves and the question is, is he misbehaving or is this isolated, just kid kind of immaturity. And I always ask the parent, well, wait a minute. Tell me, is there a trend? Are you always feeling provoked?
Dr. Leman: Are you always feeling frustrated by this son or daughter? If that’s the case, you’re a great candidate to read Why Your Kids Misbehave – and What to Do about It. But kids are kids, they’re going to do and say stupid things. Is there a way of handling those things without making it worse? Yes. One of my favorite expressions is remove your sails from the child’s wind. I mean, simple things. I mean, mom, where’s my shoes? I can’t find my shoes. And it’s getting crunch time, the school buses going to be there in a minute and a simple honey, I haven’t worn your shoes this week, once. Just a statement like that says, wait a minute, I’m not getting sucked into this. I’m not going to go through all the dog and pony show we normally do. Where my kid ends up getting more frustrated by me trying to quote help them.
Dr. Leman: Now, if the kid doesn’t know where his shoes are, you tell me you’re in the kitchen and he’s yelling from the hallway, how are you going to help your kid find those shoes? You’re not and they’re not your shoes. It’s not your job to find the shoes. Just come up with something glib like, honey, I haven’t worn your shoes all week, and you’re better off there than going through the dog and pony show about honey, where did you take them off? Oh, there’s a smart question. Where did you take them off? Now if your son or daughter knew that, they wouldn’t be asking the question, mom, where’s my shoes? But those are the kinds of games that kids literally create in a very natural way of how to engage us in their battles a life. And I’m reminding you that we’re not really rearing a kid, we’re rearing a potential adult someday. Let the kid figure out where his shoes are. they’ll find them eventually. Maybe they’re in the garage. I have no idea.
Doug: Dr. Leman question for you and somewhat for you too, Andrea, that the way you described it about the shoes, it’s a pretty common occurrence, even in the Terpening household. How do we allow ourselves to get sucked into that? Like, Oh, okay, I’ll go start looking for your shoes for you now. Like what? Why is that so common now?
Dr. Leman: All right, now listen, what you just said is golden. A kid yells from the hallway, mom, where’s my shoes? Honey. I haven’t worn your shoes this week, but I’m going to start looking for them. Now am I saying you’re going to leave the kitchen and go on the hunt for the shoes? No, I’m not. I’m just going to say you’re going to say to your kid, okay, I’m looking for them. Which means you’re just looking around the kitchen to see if they happen to be on the floor of The kitchen, in other words, did not engage. We engage because we’ve been trained by them to be engaged. And if you look at your parent, parent, what did you say to your mom and dad? Did you not ask them where your shoes were, or where your homework was, or where your book was, or whatever. It’s a tried and true way of trying to get your parents to solve your problems, and in traditional America we played that game for years, and I’ve said many times that we tend to say things to our kids that we’ve told ourselves we’ll never say to our kids.
Dr. Leman: Don’t poke your eye out. How many parents have said to their kid, don’t poke your eye out. Now everybody, I’m serious. Just for a second here please, is there anybody in our listening podcast audience who have witnessed a kid poke his eye out, write to us if you have. I haven’t met one yet and yet that’s a conversation that happens in millions of homes across North America and around the world. Well, why do we do that? We do that because we were trained, okay. Honey, eat your cereal, it’s good for you. Eat it and I’ll put extra sugar. Eat it, and I’ll give you a dollar. Eat it. And we have this whole reward banter back and forth where somehow we’re accountable as a parent for being the orchestrator of a kid eating his oatmeal. And as we pointed out on many a podcast, let the reality of the situation become a teacher to the child. If the kid chooses not to eat his oatmeal, he experiences some hunger and he’s going to be real hungry at school. He’s going to eat a big lunch or maybe even bum some food off his friends.
Dr. Leman: But the experience of not eating leads to hunger, which is a very natural thing. Let the situation be the teacher to the child.
Doug: Andrea, you’re the resident mother here.
Andrea: Yep.
Doug: Why do you think it’s so easy for you to be drawn into dropping what you’re doing? Get out of your chair, go down the hallway and start looking for shoes for kids. Like what is it about that that just naturally sucks you in, do you think?
Andrea: It’s probably easier than listening to them whine and complain about not being able to find something.
Doug: And you just want them to be quiet and move on, and go back to what you were doing?
Andrea: Yeah.
Dr. Leman: Okay, so the question is, if she goes and starts looking, does she increase the probability of dependence or independence?
Andrea: Oh, we all know the answer, they’re going to-
Doug: Be more independent.
Andrea: Yes.
Doug: And they are going to need mother less.
Andrea: Yes. Next time they’re going to look where I looked and they’ll find them.
Dr. Leman: I mean just think of things a little, honey, I’ll look outside, okay. You live in the snowbelt. I’ll look outside, honey. I mean, have some fun with it. I mean, kids have all kinds of ways of sucking us in and they use us. And parents, you weren’t created to be used by your kids. I’m always reminding mommy’s, I’m big on mommy’s and sons and daddies and daughters and these sons can work a mom pretty good. I still remember and I actually believed this as a kid that when my mother made the peanut butter and jelly sandwich, okay. It tasted better than if I made it. And she would always make a clean cut on that bread. She’d cut it diagonally, okay. And whenever I cut it, it seemed like the edge is ripped the wrong way and it looked sort of raggedy.
Dr. Leman: I still remember, in fact, I made myself some tomato soup the other day. Campbell’s tomato soup, okay. And I had a flashback of when I was a little boy, my mother would put a little bit of butter on top of the tomato soup and it would spread out like oil on water kind of thing. And I still remember how good that tasted. Well, Hey, I’m on social security and I put that butter on just to remind me of, I think that pleasant, euphoric feeling of closeness to my mom and how special she was in my life and anybody that knows me knows that my mom was certainly the person who put that indelible imprint on my life. Again, just be aware parents, okay.
Dr. Leman: All of you who are [posi-pleasers 00:00:13:11], like our resident mother here, Ms Andrea, mother of four, it’s sort of your nature. You get sucked in by your heart, you pushed to give these little kids lives. And those of you who have gone through adoption, you fell in love with those kids the moment they came into your home, whether they were an infant or a year and a half years of age, whatever. They are kids and mommy’s tend to be across the board better nurturers than dads. Now I’ll get a nasty email on that one, but I’m just telling you across the board, mommy’s are nurturers to a higher degree than dads are.
Doug: Okay. When I come back, I have a funny story to tell you about what happened this weekend, to accentuate what you just said. But I want to make sure I get this in the eBook that is available for an incredible deal and Dr. Leman will tell you this is one of the books. Again, if there’s one of the top five books you should read by Dr. Leman, this is one of them. And between now and April 30th of 2020 The Way of the Wise is available for $1,99 wherever eBooks are sold for only a buck ninety-nine, and we have an Amazon review from Carmen about what she thought about the book.
Andrea: Carmen says if you want to read a life changing book and in a tight little easy to read package one that even those who don’t like to read will be sucked into and won’t be able to put down. It’s Dr. Kevin Leman’s The Way of the Wise. Three friends and I read it over a weekend and met for coffee to discuss it. We all look at faith, and God from varied perspectives, but in this book we found common ground and intriguing discussion, no matter where you are in your life journey. This wonderful book indeed provides simple truths for living well and a doable roadmap for getting there. I’ll be passing it on to everyone I know.
Doug: Go get it now, The Way of the Wise for $1,99 between now and April 30th of 2020 and now a no nonsense parenting moment with Dr. Kevin Leman.
Dr. Leman: Okay parents, I’m going to give you a golden nugget and you can tuck it in your back pocket. Your kid asks for something that’s just downright outrageous. I mean, it’s a car when they’re 16, or it’s a pony when they’re 12, or a trip to Europe and you are a family of simple means, rather than just slam dunk the kid’s idea. Here’s a principle for you to think about grant in fantasy, which you can’t in reality. Wow, wouldn’t it be great to have your own pony, or own horse? Wouldn’t it be great to take a trip to the Swiss Alps? Oh my goodness. I know how you love those skiers racing down the mountains on TV. And I love that too. Wouldn’t it be great if we could go? Usually a kid will come back with an answer. Yeah, but we can’t afford that much money to fly way over there.
Dr. Leman: Again, kid asked to go to a rock concert. He’s 16 years old, it’s a $90 ticket. Yeah, you can shut them down real quick by saying, Hey, we’re not spending our hard earned money to send you to some rock concert, 45 miles away. That’s one way of handling it, but it’s not a good way to handle it. A good way to handle it. Wow. You’re willing to pay that kind of money. Hey, could you download some of their music? I’d love to hear it. That shows interest in your kid. Remember, parents, you need to move toward your kids. Your kids, quite frankly, don’t move toward you, so grant in fantasy, which you can’t in reality. Pull that one out and use it, it will work.
Doug: Dr. Leman, we celebrated my birthday this weekend and I’m not making this up. I asked my kids for a picture of a memory that they have with us and one of my daughters who is the older one, I’m not going to name names, gave me a picture of her with this sly little like daughter look at her dad and she said, dad, I gave this to you because I know we have a special relationship and I know how to get you to do what I want you to do.
Andrea: Can you believe that? She had her hand on his shoulder in the picture.
Doug: Clearly it’s true what you’re saying, like she didn’t even unabashedly… I mean she’s an 18 year old and she’s like, I know how to make you dad get what I want. Isn’t that funny? Did she not say that Andrea?
Andrea: She did say that.
Doug: She did say that. For all those parents out who are wondering what is the first step in changing this mindset that we have of always running around, picking up our kids shoes and chasing after them. Is it that we sit down at the family table and we say, guys, listen, I’m done with this. Is it a mindset change? It’s a new posting on the wall. Mother is no longer available to help find shoes. What’s the first thing a parent can do?
Dr. Leman: Well, again, I think you really have to assess the situation first of all, before you go off in the deep end. I would never want to do anything to take away anything from your relationship you have with your daughter, okay. And if she works you a little bit, you’re not going to hear me screaming, okay. They have to pull a rug out. But you know what if the kids are constantly using you, if they’re taking you for granted, if their behavior is such that you really want to pull your hair out, you’re really upset and it’s from all angles, okay.
Dr. Leman: That’s where you have the blowout. That’s where you say, Hey, I’m done. That’s where before dinner and kids are arguing and you’re not getting help, that’s when you say, c’mon Doug, you and I are going out and you leave things, turn the stove off, let them fend for themselves and go out for dinner. And maybe even add a movie to it, so you’re gone for four hours and let them figure out that things are not well in the home. But see I’m not afraid to do that kind of stuff when I feel used and abused by people who are supposed to respect me and love me, so many times people jump off the deep end, they overreact and we’ve done a lot of teachings on, Hey, reaction’s never good, but you want to respond.
Dr. Leman: And so really assess the situation before you go off and create a bigger problem. That’s really important to do, their kids we’ve said it so many times they’re going to say and do stupid things, but when there’s a pattern that just continues, then you have to do some rug pulling and that’s when you might sit down the next day after you left the kitchen quickly and went out for dinner or maybe added a movie to that and enjoyed yourself and let the little piggies enjoy their sty. Then maybe you have a family meeting the next day after dinner and say, listen, I just want you guys to know dad and I are very unhappy. And that’s how you start that conversation. We are very unhappy. The kids will pay attention.
Doug: You know Andy and I just read your new book. We got a sneak preview of it, which is great on Why Your Kids Misbehave-and What to Do about It and in there you have the seven steps to reality discipline, and I’m sure it’s been in other books and I just have never seen it before or remember seeing it before. But I thought that layout for the concepts that you talk about reality discipline were so helpful to be able to be like, Oh here it is. It’s what I actually really like about this book a lot is that obviously we’ve read a bunch of them, but this book is so simple and gets to the core of these misbehaving issues and what to do about them. Why am I bringing this up? I’m like, as you’re talking about this do you blow it out and make it… You go on leave and have dinner or is it like this is the first step, where are we on the continuum? I thought those seven steps were excellent. It’s a great little book actually super easy to read.
Dr. Leman: I underscore the word simple. Again, parents, this is not rocket science. You know the book, the Have a New Kid by Friday. Many times when I’m on television I’ll say I’ll tell you the truth this book is a scam and it gets people’s attention. And I’m telling you, when you’re doing an interview on network TV, you want to get people’s attention. That’ll get people’s attention. But I’ll come back with something very serious and that is, you could have a new kid by Wednesday. You don’t have to wait until Friday. Well in the book, I laid out a five day plan at the publisher’s request, but it could have been a two day plan because when you, parents make a decision to behave differently and to stop playing the dog and pony show that you’ve helped create and orchestrate, quite frankly, your kids will, I guarantee it, they will change their behavior and it can be as soon as 48 hours.
Dr. Leman: Make sure you’re on the same page as parents and be clear, be an authority, not authoritarian, not permissive. And that is such a comfortable place to be because you can feel good about the things that you’re doing and you can feel like as a couple, as a family, we do have a port of call, we know where we’re going. And that gives confidence to kids that they can rely on parents who are consistent, they’re encouraging, they love us, they care about us. But guess what, they don’t take any crap from us to put it bluntly.
Doug: Dr. Leman, going back to the original question, I just want to make sure I heard you correctly that when we are trying to assess is this real misbehavior or is this just something else? Is it that we are looking for patterns?
Dr. Leman: Patterns, yeah.
Doug: That this is a repeated patterns and two, I’m looking for how I react to it. Is that the right-
Dr. Leman: Right.
Doug: Is that the two steps?
Dr. Leman: Well just assess your own feeling. Again, if you feel provoked. How can you do this to me? I’m going to rub your nose in that young man and that consistently is happening and you’ve got a powerful child on your hands. And again, this is a wonderful little book to deal with that there’s also a book called Parenting Your Powerful Child. I mean powerful children don’t always slam doors and make a lot of noise. Some powerful children on the outside are meek and mild. They’re quiet as a mouse. They don’t say much, but they’re stubborn as stubborn can be.
Andrea: Where is the line between misbehaving and not misbehaving? And so you mentioned the powerful child will provoke you. If you’re just annoyed and that child is an attention getter, is that over the line of misbehaving or is that just kind of childlike behavior?
Dr. Leman: Let’s just take attention getting because it’s so simple. If your kid is an attention getter and you feel annoyed, what you have to understand is there is a vitamin deficiency in your parenthood and by that I mean as a kid gets discouraged, he or she goes from positive attention getting to negative attention getting. And then the next level of misbehavior is powerful behavior. But the reason a kid moves from one level to another is they don’t get enough vitamin E in your home. As the discouragement heightens the behavior worsens.
Andrea: Okay. That’s really helpful. I think we’re going to do a podcast in a couple of weeks on those four different stages. I’m excited to hear more about that because that was kind of like a little light going on in my head, so thank you.
Doug: Good. Again parents, if you’re wondering misbehavior, wrong expectations, look for patterns, look for how you respond or how you feel about it. And then look if it is an attention getting attempt by your kids and then eventually I think we’re going to talk, well I don’t think we are. I don’t think we have enough time to talk about the power one in the coming weeks. On that note, in a month on May 5th Dr. Leman’s new book comes out. What is the title?
Andrea: Why your child misbehaves and what to do about it?
Doug: Yeah, why your kids misbehave and it’s not why your husbands, Andrea, misbehave.
Andrea: Oh, I was going to read it and-
Doug: No, it’s about your children. And is a great… If you have not read a Dr. Leman book before, this one is so easy to read, but it is so practical, like the seven steps to reality discipline the four ways of parenting. If you are struggling with these concepts buy the book when it comes out, read it and send me a thank you note. The other one I want to mention is The Way of the Wise, get it now for a buck ninety-nine between now and April 30th of 2020. We look forward to the next time we get be with you and help you on your parenting journey so that you can feel more confident. And I know I say it all the time, but I’m going to keep saying it. Go get Dr. Lehman’s book and have the confidence to know how to parent. And it’s so great. It’s so much more enjoyable parenting, it really nice. We look forward to the next time. We love being with you and [helped] again.
Andrea: Have a great week.
Doug: Take care.
]]>It’s time to go back to the basics! Do you ask your kids questions or do you ask for their opinion? Do you feel like you’re talking at your kids and not to them? Today’s episode covers a simple but sometimes challenging aspect of parenting basics: “How to Have a Real Conversation with Your Kids.”
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Transcript
Doug: Hey Billy, how was your day?
Billy: Fine.
Doug: How’s your homework coming?
Billy: Good.
Doug: How was practice today?
Billy: Good.
Doug: How are you doing?
Billy: Good.
Doug: Does any of this sound familiar? Have you ever played this game with your children, where you ask them all these questions and you’re begging them to have some sort of conversation with you, and what do you get? The infamous…
Billy: Good.
Doug: Well, we get to ask Dr. Leman today, how do we communicate with our kids in a way that is meaningful and helpful for both of us? Hi, I’m Doug Terpening.
Andrea: I’m Andrea.
Doug: We are so glad that you are with us. I really am so happy that you are here. Thank you for being here and if this happens to be your first time, I want to let you know that this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or child, please go seek a local professional for help.
Doug: Well, Dr. Leman, I must confess, one of my pet peeves of parenting is when I ask any of my children, but especially there’s a certain one, they will go do something massive. I’ll be like, “Hey, how would that go?” I get the same answer, good. How the heck do we stop the, good, statements from our kids?
Dr. Leman: Well, we start a pattern early in life with kids, where all we do is pepper them with questions, and kids get so tired of it. They just throw us a bone, so to speak. With grunts, a nod of the head, a shrug of the shoulders or it’s okay, fine, good, I don’t know.
Dr. Leman: By the way, the classical, I don’t know, means I don’t want to tell you. Every time your kid tells you, I don’t know, just say to yourself, he or she doesn’t want to tell me. You might ask yourself why? Maybe because if they really told you how they felt, they would get a lecture from you that would go on for 15 minutes. There might be all kinds of reasons why a kid would say that. But, the point is that we establish these patterns where we do all the talking and kids do all the listening.
Dr. Leman: Years ago, it was kids are to be seen and not heard. Now, I’m old enough to remember when parents were in authority over children, now children are in authority over parents, it seems like, but that’s a whole nother topic. But to answer your question, we create this scenario by just over-talking as parents. What you did, that little intro you did, Doug about, “How was your day?” “Fine.” “How is this…” That’s very typical, and then kids when get through that little drill, they disappear to some part of the home and they text all their buddies or they get on their cell phone and talk and they talk and they talk and they talk.
Dr. Leman: It’s certainly not that they can’t talk, it’s they really don’t want to talk to you and they don’t want to answer your questions. As kids get older, the questions seem to them like an invasion of privacy. They’re only going to tell you what they think you want to hear. They’re not going to tell you what’s really going on. Keep in mind that your kids, you have three or four kids, you’re going to have one that’s going to be more talkative. I’ll ask the Terpenings. I want you guys to think about your four children, who is the talker in your family?
Andrea: Got it.
Doug: Number three.
Andrea: Yep.
Doug: Our number three can talk-
Dr. Leman: Okay.
Andrea: But, if he doesn’t want to talk, he won’t talk.
Dr. Leman: Okay. She’s the more powerful one. You ever thought of that?
Doug: Wow.
Andrea: No.
Dr. Leman: I’ll think about it. We don’t want you to comment on it. Okay. We got one kid who was a talker in the Terpening family. What kid is most likely not to tell you what’s going on? The non-talker. Are you in agreement?
Andrea: Our number two.
Doug: Our non-talker tells us nothing.
Dr. Leman: I’m just saying to parents who are talking about getting your kids to talk to you, you just have to understand, some of the kids are naturally inclined not to talk. If we’ve got number… Is it number two child is a non-talker?
Doug: Correct?
Dr. Leman: Okay. That sets up on the birth order, number three comes along and is like a canary and a parrot combination. You can’t shut her up. You have to keep in mind that all kids are not going to respond the way you think they ought to respond, whatever that preconceived idea is, but one of the single best piece of advice I can give to a parent, try to get yourself out of the paradigm of always asking questions.
Dr. Leman: With older kids, the simple asking a kid an opinion, will usually get a kid to talk, because kids have opinions. I’ve used this in marriage seminars for years, because so many times you’ll hear from women that my husband, he just shuts down. He’s not a talker. I get it. I understand why men do that, but I think if you’re smart ladies and you learn to say things like, “Honey, I’d love your opinion on this, what do you think?” He’ll talk your ear off.
Andrea: What’s the power of asking their opinion?
Dr. Leman: What’s the power in it?
Andrea: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Dr. Leman: It doesn’t raise the defenses. The defenses come up when you ask a question in a man. His mind, what’s this about? What am I in trouble for? Kids just tire of us so quickly with questions. If you just don’t even try to implement the change if you’re listening, parents, to this and find this of interest to you, don’t start today, just take stock today of how many questions you ask your kids and how many of them are, assume your kid’s stupid. “Have you brushed your teeth yet?”
Dr. Leman: All those little task oriented things we ask kids and you ask them every day on top of that. Again, to foster communication, getting into that kid’s mind by asking opinion will open up channels of communication. Simple statements you can make like, “Wow, you seem happy. Wow, you look like you had a rough day.” Don’t comment on it, walk away. It might be two hours later before your son or daughter comes in and says, “Hey dad, can I ask you something?” Now your kid’s asking you a question. But, I’m just saying, you got to be half shrink to raise a kid today, but just keep in mind that all these kids are not going to be talkers.
Dr. Leman: Usually, you’re going to find that talker and that non-talker, just like in the Terpening family, they’re next to each other, because they see the role as filled of a non-talker, so somebody becomes the talk master. All kids are different. You get behind their eyes, see how they see life, try not to be too intrusive with your comments, and comments are okay. Like, “You seem happy. Wow, you had a good day, I’ll bet.” Don’t go further than that.
Dr. Leman: Parents say, “Well, I feel very uncomfortable because when I pick up my kid from school, it’s just automatic.” Well, what would happen if you just smiled and just started driving home? “Well, I think we’d sit in silence all the way home.” Well, would that be the end of the world? I bet it wouldn’t happen a second or a third time.
Doug: I want to go back to an experience that literally we just had last week, we were at a debate tournament with our kids and driving home. They were reliving things, and I started to say something and one of my kids said, “Dad, please don’t, I don’t want to hear criticism right now.”
Doug: I was like, “Oh no.” It really got me thinking about this and I realized that I am a critic, and I have since that time been trying to lock up my critic. Are we all parents more critical than we realize towards our kids?
Dr. Leman: I think so. I think we need to listen to ourselves sometimes. I think we have to have conversations with our kids that are brave enough to say, “Honey, I was just thinking about something silly, but I’d really like your opinion on.” If you could have a magic wand and you could change anything about your mom, what would it be? I’ll start with mom, okay? Because you’re asking the question and your kid comes up with something. Say, “Wow. That’s interesting. All right. Hey, let me get really brave and say, all right, now the magic wand’s on me. What would you like to see me do different in life?” “Well, I don’t know.”
Dr. Leman: “No, I really want to know. Tell me. I promise you won’t get in trouble, you can say anything, I’d really want to know.” The kid tells you something. You say, “Oh, that’s something for me to really think about. I appreciate you sharing that with me.” That’s all.
Dr. Leman: You want an authenticity in your talk with your kids. A lot of the stuff we’d say to the kids is just perfunctory stuff. I can say, “Have you got your homework? Did you get your notebook. Did you bring your tennis shoes, do you have your backpack, do you have your flute?” All those questions that we ask kids say essentially to a kid, I think you’re so stupid that you forgot your flute. You didn’t brush your teeth, you didn’t bring this and you didn’t bring that note that you have to give your teacher. Just listen to yourself a little bit, parents.
Doug: The reason I ask that question is that you start off by saying that because we are so critical we will shut down our children. I was just thinking, we probably are way more critical towards our kids than we realize as well. What does this phrase mean, that I’ve [inaudible] questions are disrespectful? Why are questions disrespectful?
Dr. Leman: Well, they can be disrespectful for sure. Again, I think when you ask a kid, “Have you got your flute? Have you got your saxophone?” It’s their saxophone, it’s their lesson, it’s Wednesday, they know they have lessons. We talk about decision making for kids, and the home ought to be a safe place where kids will learn, they need to learn, even if they go out the door without the flute or the saxophone, there’s going to be a consequence afterschool or in school for forgetting it.
Dr. Leman: I know at our school, I’m in schools all the time. We have a little table in the lobby where parents can drop off a kid’s lunch and they do it, with great regularity. There are always a few lunches there that some kid forgot, well, they’re kids, they’re going to forget things. Is it best to run the lunch down to a kid? I don’t think so. Is that the end of the world if they do? No. Again, if you want to work toward training an adult and getting kids to be responsible, bailing them out is never a good thing.
Doug: Okay. When we come back, I want to do a little role playing so that we can actually see these in action because I think they are so far outside our comfort zone. Before we do that, we have a new eBook from Baker Book or Baker Book has new book for you called The Way of the Wise for $1.99 between April 1 to April 31st of 2020, wherever eBooks are sold. The Way of the Wise for $1.99. Dr. Leman, what is the book, The Way of the Wise about?
Dr. Leman: Well, I have to tell you that that is one of my all-time favorite books. It’s very auto-biographical. It’s taking a look at this guy named King Solomon, Proverbs 3: 1-6. This guy Solomon, you may not be familiar with him, but he was the smartest King of them all, the wisest king of them all. He imparted, in these six little verses in the book of Proverbs, some little nuggets.
Dr. Leman: I took those six verses and I tried to apply them to our lives today in modern day western world. It’s a good book. It’s the book that usually if I’m invited to a church to do a seminar, I like to do a seminar that starts Sunday morning by me talking in church, and then Sunday night we’ll have a thing on marriage maybe, or the next morning, Monday morning, we’ll do something for stay at home moms or do a thing on leadership on the way of the shepherd with business people. Then Monday night do something on parenting. That’s the way I like to do it.
Dr. Leman: But, the topic usually that I like to speak on the most on a Sunday morning is The Way of the Wise. I just think it’s one of the most powerful messages that a human being can receive from King Solomon, who was quite a guy.
Dr. Leman: It’s a book well worth reading. It’s a great book to give to a kid who’s gone off to college, a young person that’s beginning to doubt their faith or people who struggle. It’s great book for adults as well. It’s a book that asks some interesting questions. I think it brings people closer to their maker if they read it and it’s a good book. Like I say, it’s one of my little favorites. You don’t like to admit that you have favorites, but with 64 books, you got to have some favorites and that’s one of them.
Doug: You get The Way of the Wise, April 1 of 2020 to April 30th of 2020 for $1.99 wherever eBooks are sold. It’s a nice, easy to read, full of stuff book, highly, highly recommended. Now, a no-nonsense parenting moment from Dr. Kevin Leman.
Dr. Leman: I remember my sixth birthday party, I got a bike, my first bike, and a kid gave me a parachute that shot up into the air. In true Kevin Leman style, first time I used it, it went wayward and I nailed a kid right in the eye, but here’s my question, when do you start birthday parties? Birthday parties today have become, it seems to me, a little over the top.
Dr. Leman: I think family celebrations are best. When kids get a little older, age seven, eight, nine, yeah, there can be some parties there, but don’t spend $1,000 on your kid’s birthday party. Take things in stride, okay? Let those parties be special. Do they have to start that young? No, they don’t. It just depends on the size of your family, the circumstances you find yourself in. If you’re in a large family community and you’ve got cousins galore and aunts and uncles, a family celebration, I think is ideal.
Dr. Leman: As they get older, they’re going to want to have some parties. They’re okay. But again, I think moderation. Most of the questions that I get asked, I could probably answer with, “Hey, do it in moderation.” That’d be my advice on birthday parties. Birthday gifts, they should be well thought out. Plastic stuff that’s made in China, I wouldn’t get real excited about.
Doug: Okay, Dr. Leman, let’s try and role play this so that people can see this in action. I’m a 16 year old, I was going to say girl, but that would be awkward. I’ll say I’m a 16 year old boy. I walk in the door from school and I just walk in, I go, do you even hear a huff out of me as I storm down the hallway and just go right to my room and shut my door. Then at dinner I sit down at dinner and I just go, “Huh.” Then I refuse to look at anybody. What would you say to me?
Dr. Leman: Well, at the dinner table I’d probably just make an observation. The first thing I would say is, “We don’t have to talk about this, but I couldn’t help but notice, you really look like you were really ticked off when you came in the door and you’ve been very silent. Out of respect for you, I’m going to ask everybody in the family to back off, let you work through whatever you’re working through. But if and when you want to talk about whatever, and again, we don’t have to talk, I’m available and I think your mom is too. Isn’t that right, honey?” That’s how I’d handled it.
Dr. Leman: What I’ve done, I’ve acknowledge his displeasure, the huff… You have to understand, the huff wasn’t just a natural Huff. It’s purpose of behavior. It’s a way of saying, I’m troubled by something. It’s really a temptation to see if my parent will say anything to me. If a parent does, the kid will blow the parent off. Isn’t that interesting?
Doug: Yeah.
Dr. Leman: I think it is. That was for your benefit to hear the huff and puff, for you to react. We’ve talked enough about the difference in reacting and responding. So, I’m going to wait. Since I got a little slam door when he went to his room, I know he’s ticked about something. You know your kids, parents. If that was number two child in your family, Doug and Andrea, would you react or respond differently than if it was number three child in your family?
Doug: We would, absolutely.
Dr. Leman: There’s wisdom, though, in just being quiet and acknowledging.
Doug: Well, that’s what I was going to ask the resident mom here. You see your 16 year old hurting and upset and distraught at the dinner table. Are you just going to tell him, “Hey, everybody back off. I don’t need to know. If you want to talk, I’ll talk, but I don’t need to talk. Could you do that?”
Andrea: Well, I did that one-on-one yesterday.
Doug: Look at Andrea.
Andrea: I have noticed times when he who normally likes to talk and tell me lots will be suddenly very quiet. Just say, “Hey, it seems like something’s bothering you, and you don’t have to tell me right now. But I just want you to know that I can tell that something’s bothering you.” I don’t know if that’s the right thing to say or not.”
Dr. Leman: Sure. Seems like you’re upset, seems like something’s gnawing at you. It’s just a statement. Lots of times, again parents, I can’t underscore this enough, you know your kids better than I do. Different strokes for different folks. You’ll approach your kids differently. It’s not cookie cutter. Anybody who’s read the Birth Order book knows that I’m really big on treating your kids differently. Why? Because they’re different.
Andrea: Does that kid want you to follow up later? In our particular situation, a couple of hours later, and he’s just talking away again and seems like everything’s fine. Would it be wise for me to follow up? Now, I realize I’m going to ask him a question, so I don’t know.
Dr. Leman: I think I would do that casually. I would say, “Wow, you seem chipper, or you seem in a great mood, but honey, I just want to ask you something. You were really upset earlier. Did you work through all that, or is there something that you want to talk about or want to just let that go?” It’s a multiple choice. He might say, “Well, no, let it go.” If he does, let him go. We all have our moods, we all have our moments.
Doug: The last thing that I’d love to touch on, because I’ve used it now so much since you’ve taught it to us, Dr. Leman, is the phrase, I could be wrong on this. Can you help me? Could you explain that real quickly before we wrap up here, the power of that, and how that works?
Dr. Leman: I could be wrong, it means you’re coming in on your belly, you’re not coming in high on the hog saying, “Hey, I have all life’s answers in my back pocket.” What I could be wrong does, it drops the defenses of the person you’re talking to. They’re not going to do an offensive to anything you’re going to say when you start off saying, “I could be wrong, or I may not know what I’m talking about.” You’ve already used self-deprecation, and it just allows someone to hear what you’re going to say. It allows you to get your words to them so they at least hear them. If you come in knowing you’ve got everything wrapped up in a neat little shell, they’re not even going to listen to you.
Doug: Great. I have used that phrase in work and with Andrea and with the kids and the power also that I’ve noticed within it is it actually does change me to not come in on my high horse. That it actually does make me have a posture of genuine listening when I get there, but I have to get there first and then say that phrase. I hope that you’ve gotten these. Anything else before we wrap up, Dr. Leman?
Dr. Leman: Let’s see. It’s April, isn’t it? Wow. Well, the year’s coming to an end here before too long, the school year. I know that. Out here in the West, we shut down schools at the end of May, it’ll be summer before you know it. Might be thinking parents about what summer is going to be like in your Hacienda.
Dr. Leman: But no, things are good. I’ve got a book coming out in the fall and I’m still doing a lot of media and life’s good in the Leman household. We’re healthy and happy for that. So far, so good. Hey, give me an update on James real quick, your first born, before we go.
Doug: Well, James is serving on the Grand Little-
Andrea: Grand Cay.
Doug: The Grand Little Cay island. It’s a 500 person Island that got hit by the hurricane that wiped out Puerto Rico, and they’re out there rebuilding homes. Anna is in Cambodia out there as well teaching English as a second language. Both of them would say serving has changed their lives. I become a fanatic at saying we should have our kids serving as soon as possible. It’s one of the best things that ever happened to my kids. Having a great time.
Dr. Leman: They weren’t home for Christmas?
Doug: Oh, thanks, rub it in.
Andrea: Yeah. Remind us of that painful fact.
Doug: Or Thanksgiving, thanks Dr. Leman. You’re such a sweet guy.
Dr. Leman: You’re in a new stage.
Doug: Yes.
Andrea: You could say that, yeah.
Dr. Leman: You got two in, two out.
Doug: Thankfully there’s a thing called WhatsApp. That thing is amazing to be able to talk to our kids still, even when they’re on a boat-
Andrea: On the other side of the world.
Doug: On a boat in Little Grand cay. Yep, they’re doing great, I’m telling you. We owe a lot of our thanks to you. Thank you for helping us change our parenting so that we can [inaudible] those kids.
Dr. Leman: God bless your kids. You’ve raised a couple of servants, it sounds like.
Doug: Yep. That’s Andrea’s. That’s for Andrea.
Andrea: Thank you and Jesus.
Doug: Absolutely.
Dr. Leman: All right.
Doug: Well, we hope that we’ve helped you guys learn to have real conversations with your kids. Don’t do the extended questions, statements, ask them their opinions and give them freedom. Give them space as Dr. Leman said, use the example of acknowledging without pestering about the questions. Andrea and I can tell you, it works. It so works to back off, your kids actually want to tell you stuff.
Doug: Try to be less of a critic and you’ll be surprised. There’ll be a dip at first, and then they’ll talk to you more than you would like. We hope this adds to your parenting [inaudible] and we look forward to the next time we get to be with you.
Andrea: Yep, have a great one with those kids.
Doug: Take care. Bye bye.
Andrea: Bye bye.
]]>It’s time to go back to the basics! There are four aces up your sleeve that you can play at any time with your kids. Listen in to today’s episode to learn how to win at the card game called, “parenting”.
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Doug: Well, I have a question. “I am the parent, but it feels at times like I’m kind of being drug along by my kids, but I’m doing it because I love him so much, and I don’t know how do I… What do I… Who? Dr Leman, help me. I don’t know who’s in control of this house anymore. I don’t know what’s happening around me, and if I’m the parent or the kids are the parents. Help me understand what to do.” That’s the topic we get to ask Dr. Leman today. How do you parent? Who’s in control? What authority do I have? What can I do and what can’t I do, and what’s allowable?
Doug: Hi, I’m Doug Terpening.
Andrea: And I’m Andrea.
Doug: And we are so glad that you are with us today, really glad that you’re with us. If this happens to be your first time, welcome. I want to let you know that this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or your child, please go seek a local professional for help. Well, Dr. Leman, I was role playing, but there have been times as a parent that I have wondered like… do I have the control as a parent? Am I [inaudible 00:01:17]? am I not? Help us understand this concept that you talk about, that we have four aces, and how does that help us in parenting?
Dr. Leman: Well, “You got to know when to hold them, know fold them,” Kenny Rogers once sang a song about that called The Gambler, I think it was called. Well, yeah, parents, you don’t realize it, but you got four aces in your bed pocket. You’re the parent. God has given you the awesome right to be the parent and to be in authority over you. Now, some of you have chosen not to take the authority that all mighty God has given to you, because you’ve been driven on the notion of making sure your children are happy at every turn. If you’re going down that track in life, I can guarantee you, you are going to end up miserable and your kid’s going to be a mess, because that’s not our goal in parenting, to create a happy child. Our goal in parenting is to really, rear an adult who someday is going to be a really contributing member to our society, is going to think well of themself and others, treat people right, realize that they’re not more important than other people, they’re not the center of the universe.
Dr. Leman: And that only gets done if you understand that you do have all the gold in your back pocket. I mean, think about your kids right now. They wouldn’t have underwear on today, quite frankly, if you didn’t pay for it. They wouldn’t have socks on or tennis shoes. So you have all the gold in your back pocket and you have those four aces. Your kid can’t join an organization without your signature. And again, I know people are saying, “Hey, Leman, parents’ rights are disappearing left and right.” They are, but you still have full authority, and you have to exercise that authority right. And kids have to understand that you’re the loving father and the loving mother, and that means that you’re going to give lots of love, lots of kisses, lots of vitamin E, and encouragement, but you’re also going to sprinkle that with some vitamin N which is no, for their good, for their safety, and for the betterment of the entire family, because one member of the family can’t go run out in right field and let the rest of us hover around home plate.
Dr. Leman: That’s not fair. Everybody has to participate, everybody has to give back to the family. So exercising authority, it sounds easy, but it’s not because you have the neighbors’ kids who live by a different set of rules than yours. You’ve got your brother’s home and his wife who use language that is unbecoming to you, and you don’t want your kids to listen to it. You got Uncle Harold who obviously has a problem with alcohol. You got your mother-in-law who has terrible bad breath. I mean, name your situation. There’s all kinds of things that influence our authority, because we’re always telling ourselves, “I should do this, I should do that,” and I think all of us need to stop shooting on ourselves, so to speak, and realize who we are, what we truly believe, what are our convictions, what kind of kids do we want to put on this earth, and have a general game plan on how to get there.
Doug: Dr. Leman, why is it important for us to know that we have four aces or all the gold in our pocket, that we are in authority as parents? What’s important about that concept?
Dr. Leman: Well, because I think most parents, they don’t realize they’re there because they start out being so driven to make sure their kids are happy at every turn. Now, kids are hedonistic by their nature, so they’re going to be always asking for more. So if you give them X, they’re going to want Y and Z. And it’s like, you mean I can… I mean, I have people who email me and say, “Is it okay for me to discipline my child? I’m afraid they’re not going to like me.” Well, there’s a parent that really doesn’t understand that they got four aces in their back pocket. And so, you can’t have kids running on different planes. There has to be a oneness in the family, and you’re not going to exercise those four aces, that gold in the back pocket, as I like to call it sometimes, without having mom and dad on the same page.
Dr. Leman: That’s a gut check for all of us. You have to be on the same page. And so many parents that I run into, one of them is the good cop and one of them is the bad cop. One of them tends to be authoritarian, the other tends to be permissive, and that sends a wild message to kids, not a consistent one. So gut check, are we on the same page? Do we have a plan? I mean, if you work for a living, chances are there’s a plan. It’s a plan that’s laid out for you that you need to follow, or it’s a plan that you’ve designed yourself. But do you have a parenting plan on raising this kid, who when they come into your arms, the only thing they care about is being held and being fed. They have no social interest in anybody else, and your job is to bring them along from a little pup, so to speak, into adulthood.
Dr. Leman: So they’ll be caring for other people, not think of themselves better than others, and there’s a lot of stuff that you pour into the kids, but you don’t pour it into them like jamming it down their throat, you pour it into them by them absorbing what’s going on in your lives as parents. So you are the models, and the kids are always watching. They’re taking all kinds of notes on how you talk, how you interact with people, your attitude, how you talk about others, all those things. Your kids are recording that on their computer every day.
Doug: So what would you say the goal of parenting is? Is it that we want our kids to like us when we grow up?
Dr. Leman: Well, your kids are going to like you, parents, if you love your kids, but you have to understand that love without discipline is incomplete. Love and discipline go hand in hand. It’s a biblical adage, if anybody cares. And as you move along, there’s going to be times where your kids are not going to like you. They’re going to say things like, “You never listen to me! You never understand! You never do this, you never do that!” And you’re going to have your moments, and how you handle those moments, and how you listen to your children, and reason with them, and are fair with them, and yet discipline them with love, is going to determine to a large part, how they’re going to react and respond to you as an adult.
Dr. Leman: I mean, I’ve got five kids and I marvel at the fact that they go way out of their way to spend time with mom and dad. They want to be together, and they want to be with us old folks. How does that happen? My buddy Moonhead says, “Leman, your family is ridiculously too close.” Well, perhaps Moonhead is right, but we are very close. We have each other’s backs, we care about each other, we talk all the time. I think you want to have kids who grow up to be functioning adults who can stand on their own two feet, make good decisions about life. Well, how do you get kids to make good decisions about life if you don’t give them decision making opportunities and they’re growing up under your roof? So it’s a continuing process of learning.
Doug: Well, why does it feel so hard right now to apply this principle? It feels almost wrong to act like I’m in authority as a parent, versus just always trying to keep my kid happy.
Dr. Leman: I think it’s hard because we live in a very permissive society where it seems like nobody’s held accountable for anything. Rarely do you see people held accountable, and parents do the dumbest things. You remember several months ago, these Hollywood starlets who paid 500,000 to a million dollars to get their kids into schools. I mean, parents do stupid dumb things in the name of loving your children. They do their homework, they do their science projects for them, they cheat for them, they make excuses for them, they tell lies why their kid isn’t in school today. They do all kinds of things, and so when someone says, “Hey, hold your kid accountable, keep their nose to the grindstone,” it sounds foreign, it sounds militaristic, it sounds unkind, but the kid who grows up with parents who not only exert love but discipline in the home, are the parents who will rise up and call their parents blessed someday.
Doug: There is a phrase that you’ve used in regards to this, and I’m going to butcher it, so you can correct it for me, but it is one that I later apologized to my children that I didn’t appreciate and [inaudible 00:10:47], which is, “Build psychological muscles.” Can you help explain that? Because now that I have half grown, half in the home, I’ve come to realize that that was a way undervalued goal of Andrea’s and I’s to help our children, because we still were too… Once we went from authoritarian to permissive, and somewhat in the back, we wanted our kids happy. Help us understand what does that concept mean and why is it important for our kids?
Dr. Leman: Well, they’re going to face trials in life. They’re going to face trials at work. Everybody isn’t going to like them. They’re going to have bosses who give them maybe rough evaluations. What prepares them for that? They need some experience at taking on things that are difficult, where they have to go maybe and face a teacher or another adult, and maybe owe up to something that they did that was wrong, or maybe question something that they think was unfair to them. I always tell parents, for example, of kids who have to go to juvenile court in the State of Arizona where I live, as a parent, you need to be there in the courtroom, but I always tell the parents, talk to the judge beforehand and say, “Judge, would it be okay with you if I sat in the back of the room, so my 14 year old or 15 year old is up front talking to you alone?” Most judges will see the value in that. I mean, if the judge really needs to talk to you, he can call you forward.
Dr. Leman: But my whole point is, I think the kids need to learn to stand on their own two feet. I mean, you’ve heard me rail on on too many activities for kids, and you’ve heard me also turn around and say, if you have access to a 4-H and your kid’s interested in anything along that line, encourage that kind of an activity. Now, what’s so healthy about 4-H? You both are familiar with that organization, right?
Doug: Yes.
Andrea: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Dr. Leman: And a kid will…
Doug: You have to serve?
Dr. Leman: Yeah.
Doug: Yep.
Dr. Leman: And the kids in charge of that calf from the time it’s born, or that little piglet or whatever, and they learn an awful lot about life, and economics, and hard work, and those are the kind of experiences that I think gives psychological muscles to kids, so when life throws them a curveball, they’re going to know how to hit that curveball out of the park. I was up at one of our schools, Doug, just this week in Mesa, Arizona, Leman Academy of Excellence, just located out in the East Valley, and I was in every class from kinder to seventh grade. It’s a K through seven school this year, K through eight next. And in several of those classes I looked at kids and I said, “Hey, I have a message for you to take home to mom and dad. I want you to tell them at Dr. Leman said, ‘You’re going to do great in life.'”
Dr. Leman: And you can see it in these kids’ eyes, you can see it how they comport themselves. You can see it in the courteous way they thank you. I may have a kinder and a first grader thanking me for taking the time to come to their class. Hello. I’m going to take a step on the gangplank of life and suggest that kid’s going to do well in life. I mean, meets people well in the first grade? My goodness, that kid’s going to be the top salesman in that organization for sure, or a diplomat, or a politician. We need some good politicians, by the way. But my point is that these kids, they don’t just show up that way.
Dr. Leman: It takes training, and I always, I love the example if you have a puppy, if you don’t start training the puppy when they’re a year old, you’re going to have a bad dog. Train the puppy when they’re young, and you have to train up kids. In fact, there’s another biblical adage, “Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.” Well, do we train up kids in our society? I don’t think so. I think we train down kids. I think we’re very negative toward kids. So it takes a lot of that vitamin E. Your kid has to feel like, “Hey, I got your back, but this is your project. Dad might run you down to Ace Hardware and you can get the construct paper and stuff, but this is your project. You’re going to do it.”
Doug: Well, and the reason I wanted to re-go over this one, is that even in Andrea and I’s life, we sometimes will snow plow the roads for our kids and regret it, but when we do stand up in authority, in love, not authoritarian as I used to, our kids do have to gain those psychological muscles and develop. And it’s hard nowadays too to realize, wait, I do have the right to tell my kid no, and I do have the ability to say, “This must be done.” And it’s for their sake, not mine, because we’re raising adults.
Doug: In just a moment, I want to come back to something that you started off with that we haven’t touched on that was super important, that you said we had to make sure we had it right, and that point is that mom and dad have to be on the same page. And to that point, you guys, this is going out on March 24th. You have seven days to get the ebook for only $2.99 between now and March 31st of 2020. And we’re going to ask Dr. Leman why it’s so important to have mom and dad on the same page, but I’m telling you as a dad, this book I would read, because it’s funny, and it’s easy to read, and it’s super practical, and it’s not just me that saying you want to be on the same page, you want to read a great book? Here is Andrea. You said you found somebody on Amazon, right?
Andrea: Okay, here we go. “Loved the core principles that I repeat to myself, like a mantra. ‘B doesn’t happen until A gets done,’ et cetera. It’s what we all know, but forget in the bustle of everyday life. Making the principals a priority really helped me nip adolescent sloppiness and cut childhood whining to a bare minimum.
Doug: So again, if you go online and start reading these on Amazon, there’s sure there’s the few that are crankies, but man, there are some people who have said, “This has helped set us up for the long term.” And if you’re a mom or dad, listening to this and you’re not on the same page, get the parenting book, highlight it, ask them to read it, and you will thank me. So between now and the end of March of 2020 for only $2.99, get the book, please, for your sake. Alrighty. And now, a parenting moment with Dr. Kevin Leman.
Dr. Leman: How do you build trust with your children? By trusting them, by giving them a little rope, by giving them responsibilities, and then when they finish those responsibilities, coming back door and saying, “Honey, I was just thinking today, one of the things that I love about you is when I ask you to do something, you do it, and you don’t do it in a slipshod manner. You do it in a great manner, and I just want to compliment on your diligence.” “What does diligence mean, mom?” Tell him what diligence means. Okay. It’s easy. If you want your kids to have trust in you, you’re going to have to show that you have trust. So always give your kids high expectations, not extremely over the top high. We want to work toward excellence, not perfection. This is something basic to the formulation of a great relationship between you and your child.
Doug: Okay, Dr. Leman, explain to me why Andrea and I should be on the same page parenting, because clearly, I know what’s right and she doesn’t, so she’s just whatever. So help me out.
Dr. Leman: Well, it creates dissonance in a kid’s life when mom and dad are not on the same page. It creates anxiety in a kid’s life. Kids want discipline, number one. They want you to be on the same page. When they see that you’re not and they hear you going after each other, it gives them fear. A number one fear of a kid today is not nuclear holocaust, number one fear among children is, “My parents are going to divorce.” And so working toward oneness and marriage is great. You’re going to have great communication, your sex life’s going to improve. That just got somebody’s attention.
Dr. Leman: It’s really worth… I have a book out called The Intimate Connection, and if you can get to that point in life where you and your wife are on the same page in all things, that’s a dynamite relationship that’s going to feed and encourage anybody that’s close to that relationship. Even your friends, or your sister, your brother, but especially your children who live with you 24/7. So it’s just, it’s one of those fundamental things, it’s the foundation of the family, and like I said, if the foundation of the building isn’t right, the whole building’s off.
Doug: The reason I asked that question is because Andrea and I have seen that played out where we are in agreement, it goes great, and when we aren’t, it’s terrible for everybody around us. And this is why reading some of these Leman books, again, I don’t get a dime from the Leman books. I’m telling you, it’s for your sake and your child’s sake that I do this and say, please, will you do this so that you and your spouse can be on the same page, and also if you’re a single mom or a single dad, listening to this and you’re like, “Well, that doesn’t apply to me,” this will give you the confidence when guilt has risen up and you’re unclear on what to do.
Doug: And the reason this applies to authority is at times, we forget we do have all four aces in our back pocket, and to use them, it’s nice to know when and how to use them in the right way, and that’s what this book gives you, that’s why we do these podcasts, so that you can have the confidence for your kids’ sake to grow up great adults, not happy children, but great adults. And now that we can see that, we almost have a 21 year old, we’re beginning to see, oh wow, this does pay off. I have a 20 year old who calls us, texts us, sends us all sorts of crazy information, and it’s because we loved him and were an authority with him.
Doug: So alrighty, that’s enough about four aces. Please, again, I know I just said it, but I’m going to say it again. Please go get the book. Please. Have a New Kid by Friday, $2.99, March 31st of 2020, wherever eBooks are sold, for your sake. It was great to be with you today, and we love, love helping you as you journey down this road of parenting and adding to the toolbox so you love those kids more and more, and we look forward to the next time we get to be with you.
Andrea: Have a great week.
Doug: Take care.
Andrea: Bye-bye.
]]>It’s time to go back to the basics! Do you battle with your kids when it comes to eating and sleeping? Tune in to today’s episode for some practical advice from Dr. Leman himself.
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Doug: Are you tired of the bedtime battles? You put the kid down, the kid cries. You lay down, you fall asleep next to the kid and you think, “How in the world is this ever going to happen? How am I ever going to be able to sleep in my own bed without my child?” And worse, how do I get them to eat anything but peeled grapes? This eating thing is driving me nuts. I’m trying to figure out how the heck I’m going to live my life. If those are questions you’re asking, you get to hear the answer from Dr. Leman today.
Doug: Hi, I’m Doug Terpening.
Andrea: And I’m Andrea.
Doug: And we are so, so glad that you are with us today, to add that parenting toolbox and if this happens to be your first time, welcome, welcome, welcome. And we want to let you know that this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or your child, please go seek a local professional for help.
Doug: So, Dr. Leman, I was on a plane last night and I was watching Incredibles 2 and the moms off doing their thing and the dads there and the kid keeps getting out of bed, keeps getting out of bed, keeps getting out of bed and the kid wants cookies, cookies, cookies, cookies, cookies. And it made me think, “Hey, we’re doing parenting basics. We should talk about one of the biggest questions that we get is: how the heck do I deal with eating and sleeping battles?” Help us.
Dr. Leman: Well, they are two of the biggest, and again, if you’re a newbie to us, a dog and Andrea are parents. They’re good parents, they’ve learned a few things, they got four kids. We try to be practical on our podcast and I don’t know what could be more practical than tackling eating and sleeping because those are areas that parents get way sideways with their kids over.
Dr. Leman: And you have to think about this parents, what is more natural: That a child, a human being’s, desire to have food, to eat. Nothing. It’s one of those naturals. And sleep is something that we all need. We all crave. We want it. So why is it such a big deal?
Dr. Leman: Well, your bringing that little 19 and a half incher home from the hospital and you’re in awe, as the Terpenings were and the Leman’s were, when our little firstborn came home and you realize, “Wow, this is on me.” And the lactation nurse has disappeared. Your pediatrician is at work in his or her office and there he are. What do you do?
Dr. Leman: Well, your little child is going to develop a little time clock and you’re going to get to know that child like nobody else. As I say, you’re the best teacher to your child. So, we begin with some kind of a schedule. Now not going to tell you, “Here’s the schedule.” Because it doesn’t work that way. Your kid will have a rhythm, a schedule, and you tune into it and once you get ahold of it, you make sure there’s a routine. A routine. A mundane routine in that child’s life. That’ll get you off to a good start.
Dr. Leman: The other thing that will get you off to a good start in all areas is after a couple of weeks of that child being on this earth, you and your spouse go out for a dinner. Get a babysitter, give yourself permission to be away from the child. I know you’ll worry and all that, but that baby’s going to be fine. You’ve got a good babysitter, maybe grandma or grandpa, but a trusted person. You’re in good shape. Go and enjoy yourself.
Dr. Leman: Now to get to the point of eating, watching a baby go from a formula or mother’s milk to real food is always fun because you’ll see it on the kid’s face. Food is foreign to them. They make faces. It takes them a while to adjust to the whole food thing. But the point is that you’re going to develop our relationship with your little son or little daughter and you’re going to be pretty good at figuring out, “Okay, now it’s nap time. Now it’s feed time.”
Dr. Leman: And as the child gets older and we get into the breakfast, lunch, dinner routine, you have to take this on carefully. If you make a big thing about eating and your frustration shows to that child, that child just being a few months old, will take their cues from you and they’ll fuss and they’ll feel your displeasure and your excitement, your emotion, and we get off on a bad foot.
Dr. Leman: The kids are going to eat. They’re going to eat. Now, let’s jump forward to the three year old to try to be as practical as we can here. And you learn as a parent that it’s okay to give a kid a choice. What is not okay is to give a kid 10 choices. So again, you know your child, they like cereal, they like cocoa puffs, which are loaded with sugar by the way, or some of you do those little waffles you put in the toaster.
Dr. Leman: Whatever it is, you give them a choice. “Honey, do you want cereal or do you want scrambled eggs?” And whatever that choice is, I would make sure from the very beginning that that is what they end up eating. So if a kid says he wants scrambled eggs, he’s going to eat scrambled eggs. In other words, he’s not going to be offered other things.
Dr. Leman: That’s what gets you off on a good start. If a child said, “No, actually, I don’t want scrambled eggs.” No. You’ve already scrambled the eggs. “I want cereal.” Well, honey, cereal’s off the menu now. We have scrambled eggs. You put it down in front of them. “I don’t want that.” And he swats it. Okay, what do you do? If you want to pick it up and put it back on a plate and put it in front of him, I’ll tell you what he’s going to do. He’s going to flip it again.
Dr. Leman: Well, what are you suggesting, Leman? I’m suggesting that breakfast is over. For a three year old? Yes. For a three year old. Now we have a wonderful teaching opportunity for a child. Okay? Let the reality of the situation be the teacher to the child so the child learns right away through what? Through hunger, that swatting away the scrambled eggs was not the coolest idea they ever came up with. Even at age three. And you’re sitting there and you’re having your English muffin and your cup of tea or cup of coffee and he’s just sitting there and he starts whining, getting miserable. More miserable by the minute. Put him down from his highchair and let him do what three year olds do. In all probability, he’s going to be at your ankle doing some ankle biting cause he’s very unhappy because he didn’t get his way.
Dr. Leman: Now there’s a new invention called a playpen. There’s also inventions called children’s rooms. And if a kid becomes too much and you can’t enjoy your muffin, pick him up, put him in his room, close the door, and have your tea and crumpets. So there’s lesson number one.
Dr. Leman: So, we’re going to have routines. Kids are going to have a choice. Give them two choices. Crispy Critters or Cheerios. And he says Crispy Critters and you go get the milk and put it on the Crispy Critter and now he wants Cheerios. If you want something to chuckle at, you can’t re-crisp a soggy critter. So, once the choice is made, you hold them accountable for it and you will end up with a good eater.
Dr. Leman: As kids grow older, I wouldn’t put food on a child’s plate. What do you mean? Let them take it with a serving spoon. Well, they’ll spill it. Yeah, they might. It’s not the end of the world. But let them take from serving dishes and put on their plate. You’re going to find your kids a better eater that way. Don’t make a big thing about everything under the sun. Some kids just eat spaghetti with only butter sauce on it. All kids have their quirks. They will not die. Check with your pediatrician. And as far as eating junk and too much sugar, ask yourself, who does the shopping. Your four year old or you?
Dr. Leman: So again, I don’t know, Doug and Andrea, you’ve been parents of four. I’m sure you had battles with kids, trying to get them to eat and all that. But what I’m saying is there’s a natural need for the child to eat. Don’t overdo it or you’re going to end up in a power struggle. And if you end up in a power struggle, you’re going to lose it.
Andrea: Dr. Leman, I love all of this. I love the basicness of this, and I want to go back to the beginning where you mentioned the importance of a routine and setting a routine and figuring out the flow of your child’s day. What is the importance of that?
Dr. Leman: Well, it’s a great question because parents today are just way over the top with worrying about their child’s self esteem. Kids garner security and self esteem by feeling comfortable and identifying with a home. The home is their safe refuge. So, routines give kids comfort and that’s why it’s important to have nap time at a certain time once you figure out what that child’s rhythm is.
Dr. Leman: And little two year olds need naps. Some kids by the time they’re three, they’re outgrown naps. But not to the pleasure of most moms that I’ve talked to, they wish they were still taking naps. And sometimes smart moms will just say, “Well, we’re going to have quiet, honey. You don’t have to go to sleep.” I think that’s a great suggestion for any mom. “Honey. You don’t have to go to sleep. We’re just going to have quiet time.”
Dr. Leman: I’ll come in just an hour and get you. Half the time they’ve fallen asleep. Give them a book to look at, put some music on. But part of the thing with the nap is you need time for rejuvenation. The dishes are still there and it’s two o’clock in the afternoon and you’re thinking about what are we going to do for dinner?
Dr. Leman: So, I’m just trying to be practical with people and let them see that it’s a double win. It’s a win for you mom and dad, but it’s also a win for your child because he does need that downtime and he does need that connection. His room, his gold fish, his church, his school, his preschool. A child’s world is very small and so that’s a wonderful way to give psychological comfort to your child by being predictable.
Andrea: So, what you’re inferring by this is that the child is not sleeping in my arms while I nurse it to sleep, or I’m having to hold it while it’s napping.
Dr. Leman: Yeah. So, who gets mom in trouble? Mom does. Because she decides this is great just to nurse my baby and let my baby fall asleep in my arms. It sounds great till you lay the baby down and then they go wild. Or you say, “I love the comfort of having my little one snuggle in bed with me.” Well, there’s great comfort you can give to a kid during a thunderstorm, for example, when a kid comes into bed with you. I don’t have a problem with that at all.
Dr. Leman: But when the thunderstorms over, they go back in their bed. And so kids do not belong in your bed and you say, “Well, Dr. Leman, we can’t help it. He comes in in the middle of the night.” Lock your door, dummy. Lock your door. They might curl up outside your door where their blankie tucked under them. It won’t kill them. But they don’t belong in your bed. Now if you want to try to make that work, good luck because I’ve heard thousands and thousands of stories over my lifetime and they don’t work.
Doug: Just to pick up on that, why would I not want my kid to be in my bed? What’s the negative part of my having my one year old, two year old snuggle in bed with me?
Dr. Leman: It takes away from the individual identification of the child that that’s their room, that’s their toys, that’s their bed, that’s their pillow. Kids don’t belong in there. It’s a parent need that’s being fulfilled here, I’m telling you.
Dr. Leman: So, parents use your head. You’ll eliminate so many problems if you can tackle nap time, bedtime, and again follow the birth order on this. Put the youngest to bed first. I know some of you have physical problems and that you have three bedrooms and four kids. That creates a problem when I suggest things like that. But be as innovative as you can and grant the birthright to the oldest child. Whether you know it or not, your oldest resents the younger children to some degree and so giving that firstborn priority is really a very good thing.
Doug: We’ve done, this is episode number 305, that you and I have recorded together plus countless conversations plus all sorts of other things. And I just had an aha moment from what you just said about my question. That putting the kid in my bedroom until he’s two, three, four and we’ve heard all the way up to crazy numbers, is for my sake. And by actually having my kid in their own room, in their own bed with their own routine, is for their sake. But when they’re in my bed, it’s for my sake.
Doug: And I just sitting here thinking through my parenting real briefly as you were talking, but I was listening to Dr. Leman, I wasn’t zoning you out. But I was like, “Oh my goodness, he’s right. So many of these things I have done that have backfired on me for my sake and not for my child.” And then you said it would help my child develop if they have their own spot. Did I hear that correctly?
Dr. Leman: Right, yeah. Let me be a three year old for a second, or a four year old. Now, would you rather sleep in your own bed by yourself or would you rather sleep between these two warm bodies? It’s pleasurable for a kid to cuddle up next to mom and dad. The kids getting some things out of this as well.
Dr. Leman: But I’m telling you, parents, starting off on the right foot, it’s like building a foundation on a home. If the foundation is not right, your building’s not going to be right. And eating, sleeping, and going potty are three of the basic areas that parents just invariably goof up. They don’t get it right. All those things are very natural things. They’re going to happen sooner or later and if you’re smart in how you attack these three areas, your kid is going to profit a lot from your allowing them to have their own bed, their own food, their own privacy going potty, learning to do all those things you do when you do a potty in life. If you start forcing potty, good luck. Start forcing food, good luck. Start forcing going to bed, good luck.
Dr. Leman: So, bedtimes need to be specific. I think they should be different for different kids. And routines are important. The brushing of the teeth and all that, the drink of water because once a kid … Again, kids are con artists. Once they’re in bed it’s, “Water! Water! I need water!” They’ll think of anything. “I’m afraid. There’s a monster under my bed. There’s a monster in the closet.”
Dr. Leman: “Honey. No, actually there’s not. I put the monster in the garage and he’s locked in for the night. Can’t get out.” I used to suggest to parents of kids who were fearful to get a one of those old perfume bottles that has a little puffer on it and put a little colored water with some perfume or cologne in it. And it wards off dragons and beasts and wolves and anything. But it gives the kid a little idea of control, one puff and the monster goes away kind of thing.
Doug: Okay. Before I get to some role playing and some more, I want to ask question, after this, is what do I do if I’ve already started down the wrong path? How do I change?
Doug: But before I do that, I have to ask a favor of everybody listening to this. And that is that Baker Books, right now we’ll let you get the book, Have a New Kid by Friday, for $2.99 from now until March 31st of 2020. $2.99. And I’m telling you, this is the book that I’ve said multiple times that launched us into changing our parenting. It’ll give you confidence. I literally read things, highlight them, and in those days I had to call my wife and be like, “This guy is nutso, but I think he might have some really good ideas.” And we read it and reread it.
Doug: And the reason I’m encouraging you to read is we’re talking about eating and sleeping battles and you want the confidence that what he’s saying, you can do. Get the book and you will have the confidence. You will know, “Ah, this is why I have to do that. Oh, this is how I can do it.” And you will laugh as you’re doing it. I’m just telling you for your sake, get the book. It’s a simple read and it will change the way you do parenting. So, between now and March 31st of 2020, for $2.99, go get the book Have a New Kid By Friday.
Doug: And now, a no nonsense parenting moment with Dr. Kevin Leman.
Dr. Leman: Parents, one of your best friends when you’re rearing kids is the weekly allowance. And Dr. Leman, that’s easy for you to say. We can’t afford allowance. Hey lady, I got news for you. You spend money on your kid anyway. Just give them some money so they have some dominion over it when they’re at the store and they want a simple candy bar or a can of soda pop or you name it, they can buy it themselves.
Dr. Leman: Let that be a teachable instrument that you use in the home. Many of you who followed my books know when jobs aren’t done around the house, what do I suggest? I suggest you hire a younger sister or brother do go in and clean that kid’s room or do the chore you’ve asked the child to do without fanfare and pay for it out of that older child’s allowance. Once that kid figures out, “Hey, wait a minute, this isn’t good. I’m losing money to my kid sister or brother.” They’ll pay more attention to the simple requests that you make.
Doug: Okay, Dr. Leman. Let’s talk about the fact that I didn’t read Have a New Kid By Friday and I didn’t read any Leman’s books and I’ve got this three or four year old. I’m not sure what age we should choose and I haven’t quite done it the way I want to. So, let’s take eating for example. I’ve got my three year old, they’re at the table and their favorite game is to take two bites and then flip the food on the floor. And I’ve been trained to pick the food up and put it back on his plate.
Doug: You’re the mom now and I’m Johnny. What would you say to me? Well, you’re the dad. Sorry. You can be a dad. I always make you a mom, sorry. But you’re the dad. What would you say to me?
Dr. Leman: I would say, “Oh, I see breakfast is over.” And I would take anything that’s in front of him away and I’d take him out of his high chair and I’d wash off his face and his hands with a washcloth and he would be free. If he happens to pick up some food off the floor in that split second before I go and sweep it up, more power to him. But breakfast is over.
Dr. Leman: Now again, when you realize that you haven’t done things right and now you’re going to start changing things. Whether it’s laying kids down for a nap or getting them in their own bed, you’re going to have what I call a fish out of water experience. It’s like watching a game fish flipping on a dock. He’s going to give it as best shot to get off that dock and get back in the water. So, you’re going to see the worst of your child because you’re now changing the rules of the game. Because we played this game, his or her way.
Dr. Leman: So, expect that and when you see that, say, “Good. Leman said that’s step one in winning the battle.” Because they’re going to do that. They’re going to flex their muscles. They’re going to let you know they are very unhappy and don’t overreact to it. Go about your business.
Dr. Leman: And are you saying to ignore them? Well, as best you can. But there’s times when it’s hard to ignore them. They’re just being obnoxious, coming after you. That’s when you pick them up, put them in their room, and hold the door. Whatever you want to do to just say, “Hey, you’re going to settle down. And when you settle down, you can come on out, be a human being again.”
Dr. Leman: But again, you’re taking the authority you have as a parent. Not as an authoritarian. You can’t make the kid eat it. You can’t stuff the food down his throat. It’s not going to work. So, let the reality of the situation become the teacher to the child. And the hunger, think of it, if the kid doesn’t eat and we’re talking 8:00 o’clock in the morning, what’s he going to be like at noon? Four hours later, the kid’s going to be ravenous. He’s going to eat anything you put in front of him. I don’t care what it is. Celery sticks. So, the food is a great reinforcer. Let that work for you. Don’t work it against you.
Doug: So again, I know you said it, but let’s say that you’re kindhearted and a compassionate mom and all of the sudden I come out at 10:00 o’clock and everybody, or dad, “Daddy, Dr. Lemony, I am so hungry. Please. Just a little just. Just two Cheerio’s please? I think I’m going to faint.” Right? This is my 10:00 o’clock snack that I want. What would you say to me?
Dr. Leman: You describe the mom as compassionate and loving, whatever. Let me add another one. Stupid. Dumb. Not clearheaded. If you want to change behavior and you realize it’s unwanted behavior, it’s unhealthy behavior, then you’re going to have to man up or woman enough to do some things that are difficult. Is it hard to see a little guy who’s hungry craving for food? Yeah, they’re con artists. Again, they’ll work you. They’re going to give you their best shot. But the nice thing about these ways of dealing with kids is that quite frankly, you don’t have to do these things very often. Once or twice and lesson learned. Kids going to learn, “Hey, I got to come up with another dog and pony show because that’s not working.”
Doug: So, let’s go to that point, to your bed, right? I’ve let my kid, up until age two, sleep in my bed. And now you threw out the crazy nutso suggestion that I closed the door and lock it. How many times will my kids sleep outside my door or how long will they bang on that door demanding that I let them in?
Dr. Leman: That kid, when he figures out that door is locked, he’s going to go ballistic. He’s going to kick the door, he’s going to pound on the door, he’s going to cry, he’s going to throw himself on the floor. If you had a video, it would be sort of cute. Again, he’s going to give it to fish out of water temper tantrum.
Dr. Leman: And what his behavior is saying is, “I am very upset that you guys are no longer playing the game the way I want to play it under my rules.” Well, if you want to create a powerful child who has little regard for other people’s thoughts, feelings, ideas, then let that kid back in the door. Then you teach the kid that all you got to do is throw a hissy fit, scream loud enough, and mom and dad will give in. And parents cave in all the time. That’s why I say warnings are disrespectful to kids.
Doug: Yeah. So, while you were saying that, Andrea’s face looked like she was about to cry.
Andrea: Oh yeah. I was just sitting here thinking of all the things that could happen. He’s going to hurt himself or what if he goes down the hall and starts throwing things and I’m in the bedroom? I have no control over what’s going on out there.
Dr. Leman: It’s the hardest thing in the world to keep your mouth shut. And again, my admonition to parents, you’re sitting there in bed, you’re laying in bed, you’re trying to get to sleep, and there’s your little four year old pounding on the door. The temptation. 99 out of 100 parents are going to say, “Don’t you pound on that door. Stop kicking that door.” And all that does is reinforce the kicking. So, as hard as it is to bite your tongue and clos your emotions down, you have to do it. Is it tough? Very tough. But the good news is you only have to do this a couple times with most kids. They learn that that’s the new sheriff in town and they’re going to have to stay in their bedroom.
Doug: So, we’ve been doing this podcast for five plus years. And the reason I asked that question every time is because most of the response I get is, “I don’t know if I could handle that.” And you have said that kid will pound on that door for two nights, maybe three, and that has been proven so much by our listeners that have followed this advice.
Doug: So, for all you parents out there that you’re like, “I don’t know if I emotionally could handle that.” We’re only talking a couple of nights and by the third night it’s going to be a pathetic display of angst to get in there and he’s going to give up or she’s going to give up and end up in her bed. So you can do this, parents. You can do this. Our next podcast we’re going to talk about the fact that you have four Aces and that you can do this for your kid’s sake.
Doug: So, thank you. Thank you, Dr. Leman for helping us with some of the basics again, and a reminder for your sake, please go get the book Have a New Kid By Friday now before this ends for less than a Starbucks, I know it’s an overused phrase, but for $2.99 between now and March 31st of 2020. I will accept thank you notes that you read the book and you’re so grateful for how it helped you if you’re skeptical and you question it, read the book. It’s super easy to read, very funny, for your sake.
Doug: So, it was great to be with you and we love hanging out with you and we look forward to the next time we can be with you to help you add to that parenting toolbox so you’ll [inaudible] those kids more and more.
Andrea: Have a great week.
Doug: Hope you have a super time with those kids. Take care. Bye bye.
]]>It’s time to go back to the basics! Do your kids consistently shirk their chores and responsibilities? In today’s episode, Dr. Leman covers a simple reality in life that B does not happen until A is complete.
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Transcript
Doug:
It happened again. Johnny, again, didn’t do the one thing you asked him to do before he went to his friend’s house. Now he’s out at his friend’s house having a gay old time, and you’re in the house finishing it for him.
Doug:
Sound familiar? Tired of that? Want a simple solution for yourself, on how not to get caught in that cycle again. Well, we get one of the best concepts that Dr. Leman has ever given the Terpening [inaudible 00:00:32].
Doug:
Hi, I’m Doug Terpening…
Andrea:
And I’m Andrea…
Doug:
… and we are so glad that we are with you today. Want to let you know if this is your first time, that this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or child, please go seek a local professional for help.
Doug:
Well, we are doing a basic parenting series. Going back to some of the basics with Dr. Leman, that have impacted the Terpening household a ton, and this is one of the ones that, gold standard, made parenting way easier for the Terpening household. And it’s B doesn’t happen until A is complete.
Doug:
Dr. Leman, what in the world does that mean?
Dr. Leman:
Well, it’s probably one of the simplest corollaries that you can use in dealing with people, kids, business, things in general. B, whatever that B is, whatever that activity is, doesn’t start until A, the previous assigned chore, in this case talking about kids, is completed, to who’s satisfaction? To the parents.
Dr. Leman:
Okay. It’s just one of those things. Why we don’t use this more often is beyond me, because it’s so obvious. It keeps you out of battle. It simply keeps you on that linear thinking of, “Okay, wait a minute. I asked you to take out the garbage and I see it’s not taken out, and now you want to run next door and shoot hoops with your buddies. No, the garbage has to be taken out.”
Dr. Leman:
Now, let’s take a situation where the kid is a little surly, and he finally takes it out and now he says, “Mom, all right, I took the garbage out. Can I go on and shoot hoops now?” “No, you can’t.” “What do you mean? You said, if I-” “I know what I said, but I didn’t like the attitude you copped.”
Dr. Leman:
Now when you go back to the book, Have a New Kid by Friday. I’m trying to think what it says on the cover of the book, and I don’t have one handy, but it says something to the effect of changing character in five days or less, as well. I think it says attitude, behavior and character.
Dr. Leman:
Well, this is the character part, because you’ve asked your kid to do something. He’s done it, but he did it in a very disrespectful way, with sort of a spit in your soup attitude. “Okay, I did the garbage. Now can I go?” “No, you can’t go.”
Dr. Leman:
Now, again, that’s where you just have to play this game of parenthood smart. Because is it really a matter of taking the garbage out, or is it really a matter of having a kid in the home, who appreciates the comforts of this home, is willing to pitch in and do their help? And I think we would all agree, well, yeah, that’s more what we’re after. So, that’s where the character fits in.
Dr. Leman:
So again, whatever that A is, whatever you asked that kid to do. Put it in marriage. Okay ladies, you ask your husband to do things. Okay, I won’t get too graphic here, but you know, he hasn’t done them. And all of a sudden, you’re lying there in bed and his foot is now touching your foot, and he’s just giving you a little sign. Let me ask you ladies, what do you feel like doing? Okay, you’ve answered it. You get my point.
Dr. Leman:
So it happened, this works in any situation. It brings things to a head. It keeps us from playing games, so to speak, and get us down to the rubber road of life. So if you implement these simple ideas, and by the way, one of the reasons why I think people love that Have a New Kid by Friday book is, the book itself is actually quite small. You can read the book in, I don’t know, hour and a half, I don’t know. It’s just not a very big book.
Dr. Leman:
But when the book stops, then I take on about every situation you can think of with a kid. So there’s a glossary, so to speak, in that book, that defines an action and gives you remedies to think about as a parent. So it’s not only an action oriented book, here’s what you can do, but it gives you specifics about all these daily hassles that parents find themselves in.
Doug:
So Andrea, as the resident mom, B doesn’t happen until A is complete is hard for all of us. But for moms, especially compassionate, kind ones like you, now your kid wants to go have coffee with their dear friends and they haven’t done whatever you’ve asked them to do. Right?
Andrea:
Right.
Doug:
And now, you have to walk in there and say, “Sorry, I asked you to do this, and you chose not to. We’re not going.” Then you turn around and walk away. Can you do that?
Andrea:
Why do you always ask me that question? “Can you do that?”
Doug:
Because between Dr. Leman and I, you’re the most mom here, right? What would you like me to ask you? How would you like me to ask that?
Dr. Leman:
Yeah, she’s our resident mom. But you can grant in fantasy, what you can’t in reality.
Andrea:
Sometimes this decision is hard, because it’s going to affect me too. And I think that’s the real hard part of this, is whatever was supposed to happen might have been like, I was supposed to go along and I was looking forward to it.
Andrea:
Or it could be, I was looking forward to this frame of time that they were going to be out, and I was going to have some quiet downtime to myself, to usually get something else done that I could really focus on.
Andrea:
So there is, we have to pay the price too. But we have to remember, like Dr. Leman was talking about, there’s character training here. So I would not say that I have been lily-white of following this rule, even since I’ve learned it. No.
Doug:
Right. And what else about it for you? You’ve also said that emotionally it’s hard to disappoint your kids.
Andrea:
Well, yeah. Yeah. And my kids don’t have a… I mean, I wouldn’t say that they have a habit of always trying to get away with things. So, it’s hard when it does happen. Yeah.
Dr. Leman:
All right. Well, it might help with someone who has Andrea’s wonderful personality is to grant in fantasy what you can’t in reality. And you say, “Anna, I would love to let you go and do that. Oh my goodness, that would be wonderful for you. I know you would enjoy every minute of being there, but there’s a problem. And the problem is that I had asked you this morning to clean the garage, and I see it hasn’t been done. So, as much as I hate to say this, the answer is no.”
Dr. Leman:
Now that’s giving your kid vitamin N, it’s letting a parent grant and fantasy what they can’t in reality. And yes, keep in mind parents is easier to look the other way. It’s easier to do it yourself.
Dr. Leman:
But what you’re trying to do, is train up your child so that they will become responsible. So when they leave your nest someday, you can look at each other as husband or wife and say, “We did a pretty good job. That little bird’s going to fly well.”
Doug:
Here’s the other thing for all you parents who haven’t started this process yet, is you don’t have to do this very often. I mean, well you do this… we’ve had to do this way once or twice with each kid, for them to get the concept.
Andrea:
It’s really starting off and training them.
Doug:
So Dr. Leman, why is it so effective that you literally only need it… I think with James, we did it once, maybe twice or the Anna, to get their attention that we really do mean business. Why does that work so well?
Dr. Leman:
Well, because there’s a shock element to it all. You’ve thrown them a curve ball. You’re showing them that you’re going in a new direction, and you’re also showing them that they’re old games, so to speak, that they play with you, are no longer in play. That’s why it works so good. It’s putting your cards on the table. It’s action-oriented. So what could be better?
Doug:
Well to that point, you’re right, it is a shock, and it’s actions, not words which are way more effective with children. Yeah. So do encourage all of you out there, that you’re like, “I don’t know if I could do this. This sounds really harsh.” You don’t have to do it very many times at all.
Doug:
It depends on if you have a powerful child and then go get the book, How to Parent Your Powerful Child. But, by and large, his is a pretty effective way to get their kid’s attention.
Doug:
So we’re going to do some role-playing here, to help you actually hear how to apply it.
Doug:
But before we go there, I want everybody to know that you can go get, Have a New Kid by Friday. Between now and the end of March of 2020 for only $2.99 wherever eBooks are sold. It is amazing. Andrea’s going to read what somebody wrote on Amazon here. Do you have it there?
Andrea:
Yeah. Okay, this is from Evan, and this is what they said. “Possibly the last parenting book you will ever need. If you have a child who challenges every aspect of your parenting, or even any aspect of your parenting, I highly recommend this book. This quite possibly will be the last parenting book you will need. I’m pretty sure it’s the last one I will need.
Andrea:
“My young twins, age four, were TRANSFORMED in about a week, and others who know them well commented on it. If you have a perfect child who never gives you any challenges, you don’t need it. If you are exhausted from your current parenting tactics, you need the information, principles and parenting phrases in this book.”
Doug:
So I agree with what Evan said. Those parenting phrases are gold, and our kids complain about them all the time, which is lovely, that they’re like-
Andrea:
It’s funny, they pick up on them.
Doug:
Yeah, they’re like, “That’s a Leman thing. ” We’re like, “Yes, it is.” I highly encourage you for your sake, for $2.99, please go get this book wherever eBooks are sold. For your sake and your kids sake.
Doug:
Okay, and now, a no nonsense parenting moment with Dr. Kevin Leman.
Dr. Leman:
Parents, here’s a question for you. Helping around the house. Everybody should give back to the family, and I get asked the question all the time, “At what age should a kid start helping around the house?”
Dr. Leman:
Even a three-year-old can help. A three-year-old can help take dishes out of a dish dryer. Or fold clothes, towels. Yeah, they’re going to look like a The other hood like a three-year-old folded them. But the idea is to get that child’s mindset into, “Everybody helps.”
Dr. Leman:
That’s a good productive thing for kids to do. So many parents just do so much for their children, because quite frankly, it’s easier to do it that way. But here’s the question. Do you want to rear a responsible child? Do you? If you do, give them responsibility.
Dr. Leman:
When do you start training a puppy? When he’s a year old? You’ll have bad puppy. “Bad dog, bad dog. Why did you do that on the carpet?” You want a good dog? Start early. Train them when they’re a pup, same with our kids. Let them give back to you. And always say, “Thank you honey for helping. Good job.”
Doug:
Alrighty. Okay, Dr. Leman, here we go. “My eight-year-old son wants to go shoot hoops down the street with his buddy,” We’ll use example you used, “But he didn’t clean his room, and his mother even reminded him that morning to get his room cleaned up today.” So, let’s role-play. All right, here we go. Ready?
Doug:
Okay, Mom, I’m headed out the door. I’m going over to Freddy’s to go shoot hoops. See yeah. What what time do I have to be home for dinner?
Dr. Leman:
Hey, hang on a matter, honey. We need to have a little talk.
Doug:
Okay, yeah.
Dr. Leman:
You were asked to do something earlier today. I’m going to give you just a second to think about what you were asked to do. It hasn’t been done, by the way, I’ll give you a clue.
Doug:
Maybe, clean my room. Is that it?
Dr. Leman:
Yeah, that’s good. You know, I knew you were a bright kid. Man, you’re awesome. You got a great memory, most of the time. It hasn’t been done yet, honey. So, no, you’re not going anywhere right now.
Doug:
But mom, I’ll do it when I come back. I’ll do it as soon as we’re done. I’ll even do it before dinner. I’ll just go, because it’s- [crosstalk 00:14:06]
Dr. Leman:
I’m not your mom, I’m your dad.
Doug:
Oh, sorry, okay, Dad. Oh, sorry, I didn’t realize that. You guys both look and sound the same.
Dr. Leman:
Yeah. And that kid, he’s going to do his best. All that does, is give kids that opportunity to either lie, or exaggerate or connive. They’ll promise you anything if you’ll just let them go.
Dr. Leman:
And if you fall into that trap, you’re teaching your kids that instant gratification is the way to go in life, and that’s not a good healthy thing for your kids. So you got to really think this through.
Dr. Leman:
Some of the things sound almost benign. All right, you haven’t cleaned the room, so you’ve got to come back here and clean your room. Okay, I get it. But it’s more important than that, you’re character building with that kid. You’re teaching him about what’s going to happen on life.
Dr. Leman:
I mean, can you see him going out the door at two minutes to 5:00, and the boss is there. He says, “Hey, I’ll see you. I’ve got got to go here, or go there.” Well, “Hey, Winchell, I asked you for those reports. They’re not on my desk.” “Well, I’ll get you those tomorrow, boss.”
Dr. Leman:
Can you see the boss really saying, “Okay, well you just go and have a great time. And those reports I need for the board meeting, they can wait. So, whenever you get around to it.” That’s not life.
Dr. Leman:
We’re preparing kids for life, is what we’re doing. Don’t blow these things off in your mind as just simple little exercises. These are building bricks to your kid’s personality.
Dr. Leman:
I’ve said many times beautiful cathedrals are what? Built one brick at a time. So you’re layering in these things, every day that you have interaction with your son and your daughter.
Doug:
Well, the other thing you say, and then we’re going to do one more role-play, is that we’re raising adults, not children. Which has helped us think about, this is not for today. This is actually, like you said, this is for decades later.
Andrea:
It’s good to think about it that way, and realize it’s not about just getting the bedroom cleaned or the dishes washed. This is a longterm, what kind of character do I want my child to have?
Doug:
Now I want to give one that’s a little less cut and dry, Dr. Leman. My 16-year-old daughter just gave me a bunch of lip, right? Like, “Dad, you’re the worst,” or whatever, right? Just that attitude that you get every now and then, the silent treatment, or whatever it is.
Doug:
Now, they want to go hang out with their friends, so they come to grab the car to go hang out with their friends, right?
Doug:
Here we go. I just gave you a whole bunch of lip and flack, or whatever the phrase is now ,I don’t know what it is, and so here we go. I’ll be a girl. Well, that’s kind of weird, but, oh well.
Doug:
Hey dad, I’m going to go see Sally. I’m going to grab the car, and I think we’re going out for burgers, so I probably won’t be back… I’ll be back at a decent hour, but I won’t be back that late. So, okay, love you dad. Take care.
Dr. Leman:
I always love to hear you’re going to be home at a reasonable hour, but in this case I can guarantee you’re going to be home at a reasonable hour because you’re going to have a very difficult time starting that car without the keys.
Doug:
Oh, why? What happened?
Dr. Leman:
What happened is, a few moments ago, anticipating what you were going to be doing, I took the keys from the kitchen where we hang them on that little ring and they’re now secure in my pocket.
Doug:
Why? Is something wrong with the car?
Dr. Leman:
You know, the car has really worked really nicely lately. I’ve enjoyed, when I get in that car, I love the leather seats [inaudible 00:18:06] honey the best. But when I turn that sucker on, it always starts up.
Dr. Leman:
And then of course, you know the music I listen to. I know you hate it, but I happen to like it. So I just punch up my radio station and I’m ready to cruise. No, the car is fine.
Doug:
Dad, what’s up? What are you upset about?
Dr. Leman:
What’s up?
Doug:
Yeah.
Dr. Leman:
The sky, the moon, the sun.
Doug:
Dad, come on. What’s-
Dr. Leman:
All right. You have the ability to play games with me, and I want you to be advised that parents have the ability to play games as well. Such as, what’s up? The moon, the sun, the stars.
Dr. Leman:
You know what’s up. So, why are you asking me what’s up?
Doug:
Okay, dad, I’m sorry. I shouldn’t have said it, but it was just a moment and it’s been rough. I’m just tired, and school’s really stressful, and ballet has really gotten to me. I’ve got all these things that are on me, and I just lost it for just a moment. I’m sorry. [crosstalk 00:19:13].
Dr. Leman:
Honey, I get it. I get it. I get it. We all have days like that. And I understand all these things are weighing on you, and I think it’s great. I really think it’s great that you can enumerate all those things that are laying on you, and I think it’s wonderful that you can say, “Hey dad, I’m sorry.”
Doug:
So can I go now?
Dr. Leman:
No.
Doug:
Dad, I said I’m sorry. I didn’t mean it. You know that I- [crosstalk 00:19:39].
Dr. Leman:
I appreciate it. I appreciate the fact you said you’re sorry. And I’ve told you, I’ve already forgiven you. [crosstalk 00:19:46] But you’re not going anywhere.
Doug:
Dad, why not? What’s the big deal.
Dr. Leman:
Honey, the big deal is the words you chose the use with me 25 minutes ago, I really didn’t appreciate.
Doug:
Okay, but I said I’m sorry.
Dr. Leman:
Honey, in life, you’re going to find there’s consequences. I understand. I’m sorry isn’t the passport to getting the keys?
Doug:
What am I going to tell my friends?
Dr. Leman:
In life, there’s actions.
Doug:
What am I going to tell my friends? They’re expecting me.
Dr. Leman:
Well, what I would suggest you tell your friends, is something like, “Whoa, I am so stupid. You know what I did last night? Or what hour I did 20 minutes ago, or whenever it was. I said some really nasty things to my father.
Dr. Leman:
“And I have to tell you the truth, I’ve got a great dad. He loves me as I am. He’s helped me in so many situations. He’s the rock of our family, quite frankly. Nobody loves my dad more than I did, but I said something really stupid. And in anger, I told him he was the worst dad ever, and the reality is, he’s the best.”
Dr. Leman:
You want to know what I would tell your friends? I just told you.
Doug:
Daddy-
Dr. Leman:
Will you say that? I have no idea.
Doug:
Daddy, you are the best daddy. And I do appreciate all that you do, but this is really, really important to me. This is really, really important. Please, Daddy.
Dr. Leman:
And honey, you’re the best daughter in the world. We’ve established that. Okay, we love each other. We’ve established that. What we are having a hard time grasping on your end of the equation, is you’re not using the car. Tomorrow’s another day.
Dr. Leman:
I know you’re disappointed. Deal with it. You’re going to get a lot of disappointments in life, and trust me, as you look at life in general, this is just a tiny one.
Dr. Leman:
We’re going to end our discussion now. We’re not going to talk about this anymore. You said, “I’m sorry,” I said, “Honey, I’ve forgiven you.” We’re going to face tomorrow, tomorrow, but this case is now closed.
Doug:
Fine.
Dr. Leman:
Now, notice what I did there. I brought it to an end. Because parents, these kids, some of them will make great attorneys. Because they can argue, and they’ll pull on your heartstrings as little Miss Douggie tried to do with me, with her purposeful tears.
Dr. Leman:
What’s the purpose of nature? Class of tears. How many of you as women would admit to use tears with us husbands, to bring us to our knees?
Andrea:
Tears are powerful.
Doug:
But the thing about that, for all those parents out there Dr. Leman, that you need to help them, is that, your children will still love you in the morning and actually will respect you more.
Doug:
And it’s not just about respect, but it is, right? They’ll wake up tomorrow and be like, “Yeah, my parents are for me,” right? Or will they hate him in the morning?
Dr. Leman:
No, by the morning all is forgotten. Life goes on, the crisis… Kids, especially when they’re teenagers, everything’s a crisis.
Dr. Leman:
What happens is, a girlfriend calls and says, “Hey, can you meet us at the mall? Todd and Michael are going to be there.” And all of a sudden it’s girls cooking up, “Oh, we’re going to see these cute guys,” whatever their plans are. But everything’s in a crisis.
Dr. Leman:
10 minutes earlier, they had no desire to go any place. They were just vegging out. But all of a sudden, the phone call comes and now it’s crisis mode, and I got to get out the door and get there.
Doug:
Well, my encouragement to all those parents out there, and especially moms, is, again, you don’t have to do this very often, right? You only do this once or twice, and kids get it. Because it’s an action not words, and that speaks way louder.
Doug:
And I appreciate what you said. I mean, we’re trying to raise them up to be adults and this is for their future character. That’s what you brought up, Andrea.
Dr. Leman:
Yeah. We have lots of principals, and one of them is let the reality of the situation… Okay, got that parents? Let the reality of situation become the teacher to the child.
Dr. Leman:
So the reality is, she chose to misspoke. She misspoke in a disrespectful way. Let that be the teacher to the child. All you’re doing is building in some parameters, so that experience that she initiated becomes a teacher to her. Simple.
Doug:
Yeah, super simple. But if you do have a child who really does flip out on you, then you have a powerful child, and you need to go read, Have a New Kid by Friday and Parenting Your Powerful Child.
Doug:
But you need to read them both, for your sake. And your child’s sake, quite honestly. So they don’t grow up, as Dr. Leman said, and be powerful with their bosses and go from job to job to job. This is all about character and raising great adults.
Doug:
Well, I can’t encourage you enough to get this concept: B doesn’t happen until A is complete. It is so powerful to help you in your parenting. If your spouse doesn’t agree with you, highlight the book and these sections for them, and have them read it. Come together on this, and highlighted books are a great way for them to believe it and go for it.
Andrea:
And remember, that this is about building character. This is a longterm thing, get that longterm picture in your mind when you have to tell them no.
Doug:
So, for your sake, go get the book, Have a New Kid by Friday. It just gives you so much confidence, and like Dr. Leman said, the back half is like, “What about when I catch my kid lying,” or stealing or all sorts of things. And it gives you very practical steps on what you can do next.
Doug:
We look forward to being with you the next time, and adding to your parenting toolbox so you can love those kids more, and more and have the confidence that you’re doing the right thing.
Doug:
Thanks for being with us.
Andrea:
All right. Lots of A this week, so that B can happen.
Doug:
Amen. Thanks for being with us. Look forward to next time.
Andrea:
Bye-bye.
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Transcript
Doug: Sam, come get your shoes out of the middle of the hallway. Sally, how many times do I have to tell you you’re on dishes. It’s the only thing I ask you to do around here. I mean, for Pete’s sake, I feel like I’m a maid, not your mother. This is what we get to talk to Dr. Leman about today. Are you running a home or a hotel for your kids?
Doug: Hi, I’m Doug Terpening.
Andrea: And I’m Andrea.
Doug: And we are so glad that you are with us today. If this happens to be your first time with us, just want to let you know that this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or your child, please go seek a local professional for help. Well, Andrea, of all the people that are on this podcast, you probably are the closest to a mother, and do you ever get frustrated with trying to get your children to help you around the house?
Andrea: Oh boy. I think we’ve talked about this before. The number of different kinds of chore charts we’ve created over the years.
Doug: Oh, that’s right. So we created tons of chore chart. Remember the one where the little pegs and the little things that flipped over?
Andrea: The pegs, that was magnetized to the fridge. And if you knocked it off, you had about a hundred little circles.
Doug: Yeah. And then we had a little pack that they had to wear on their front of their shirts and all these things. So we tried everything until we tried Dr. Leman’s system, which is like gold and actually has worked beautifully. And this is what we’re going to talk about today. How do you get your kids to help you around the house? So Dr. Leman, help us, how do we get our kids to help?
Dr. Leman: Well, if this is an ongoing battle, and I love the way people send me messages, “Oh Dr. Leman, we’ve tried everything.” Well, really? Have you really tried everything? Well, that might be part of the problem. You’ve tried everything. You need to get yourself back on course and understand that you’re the parent here. We live in a home. No one member of the family is more important than anybody else in the family. But we all have responsibilities, and the key word is authority. Parents are in authority over children. That’s a God-given right and duty. Now, if you’re really frustrated, you’ve just had it and you’ve tried, in your mind, everything, I would try this, take a three by five card, or if you’d like something a little bigger to draw attention to it, in fear that your children will not be able to see the three by five card propped up on your kitchen counter, go bigger.
Dr. Leman: But here’s my advice, at the top of that three by five card, in bold print, I’d like you to print the words servant’s notice, underline it. And then number one, “We have resigned our positions.” Point number two, “Please be advised that all culinary, custodial, and transportation departments cease to exist as of this moment. We wish you well in navigating the waters of your young lives, love, your former servants.” That’ll get their attention. Now what’ll really get their attention is if you just fall in line and all of a sudden you’re mother deaf, father deaf, you don’t respond to anything. “I need lunch money, I need a lunch.” “Honey, you know where the refrigerator is.” You can say a few things, but just disengage the kids. You will throw them a curve ball like they’ve never been thrown before.
Dr. Leman: I guarantee you they’ll have an emergency meeting of the family council and try to figure out, “Hey, what’s wrong? I mean, are they crazy? What do we do?” It’s raining, and they expect to be driven to school. I mean whatever it is, get their attention, then follow through in their actions, and now you at least have open ears and open hearts, and we can negotiate some kind of a settlement that is respectful to all parties involved.
Andrea: Yeah, that’ll get their attention. I thought you were going to go with some chore list on the three by five card that we’ve all been taught to create.
Doug: Ah, Dr. Leman, I’m just sitting over here laughing. I just would love to do this with my children and print it off in big bold letters and leave it on the table, and Andrea and I are out for dinner and they’d come find that, oh, that would be awesome. Oh my gosh.
Dr. Leman: See I think, again, please don’t write to me and tell me, “I have a six-year-old and four-year-old and can’t go out to breakfast and leave them alone.” I understand that. But if you’ve got kids that are 12, 13 years of age, whatever, and you lay this note on them and they walk to school and sometimes they’d take a bus to school or whatever, I’d go out to breakfast, just leave for a while. I mean, do something that’s dramatic. Freak them out a little bit. Oh, Dr. Leman, you’re going to damage their psyche for life. No, we’re saying, “You know what, we’re sick of this. This is a disrespectful environment that you guys are really creating in our home and we’re done with it.”
Doug: So we do that. We get their attention, and we’re like, “We are resigning as the servants,” what’s the next step from here? What do we do next?
Dr. Leman: Well, they’ll come to the table, and they’re going to ask you to carry the ball and tell them what to do. And I think this is the second fun part. You don’t play that game. You say, “Hey, you guys know what this meeting’s about.” Because see, do you really believe that those kids don’t know what they’re supposed to do? Now let’s ask Andrea. How many times have you told the kids in your lifetime what they need to do?
Andrea: Over and over and over, I don’t know how many times.
Dr. Leman: It’s countless. So my point is the kids know what they need to do. Now if they need a little help organizing that sooner or later in that discussion, yeah, you can add a couple of things, but it’s got to be clearly on them. What happens though is we do the shocker, we get their attention, and then we end up micromanaging everything and organizing everything. What I’m saying is don’t do that. At Leman Schools, at Leman Academy of Excellence, at one of our schools, we have a great reputation for putting on great plays. We put on Annie and Aladdin, and do you know that those plays that, I’m telling you, you’d think they were college students, if you saw how good they were. Do you know the lighting director is a seventh grader? The audio man is in sixth grade. I mean, the kids put the production on literally by themself. Do they have a faculty member who oversees everything? Yes. And he’s marvelous, does a great job, but it’s run by the students, the scholars.
Dr. Leman: And so what I’m saying is in your home, when it comes to all of these chores that needed to be done just to make our home a better place, make sure you don’t step in and micromanage everything because it won’t work.
Doug: So Dr. Leman, let’s get uber practical here, and Andrea, the kids are supposed to do dishes, and nobody’s washing dishes, and they’re slowly piling up on the counter. What do you do about that? I mean, do you just let the dishes keep piling up and…
Dr. Leman: Yeah, you do. But a terse statement from Andrea or from Doug would really help, like, “Wow. I was thinking maybe we’d have dinner here tonight, but I see the kitchen is not ready for dinner,” and walk out of the room. Take your bride, and if you got a Whataburger in town, have a Whataburger. They’re great burgers by the way.
Doug: Ooh, they are good.
Dr. Leman: “Oh, Dr. Leman we’re vegan.” Okay. Deal with it. Have a celery stick. I don’t care.
Doug: So Andrea…
Andrea: We’re laughing.
Doug: Yeah, but now you can have meatless burgers. So that works out. So I don’t know. So Andrea, it’s your home and all of a sudden dishes are piling up on the counter, which is one of the things that drives you nuts.
Andrea: Yeah, there’s nowhere to work.
Doug: Right. Could you be like, “Okay, we’re going out to dinner and I’m just going to let it keep piling up and let these kids fend for themselves,” could you do that?
Andrea: It’s not my personality. Right? Or maybe it’s not my pattern. My pattern is to kind of keep making little reminders and maybe wash a couple of the big things that are easy to just kind of, “Wow, this will make a big difference if I wash this big mixing bowl and…”
Dr. Leman: Yeah, but Andrea, isn’t it easier quite frankly just for you to do it?
Andrea: Yes. Absolutely.
Dr. Leman: Yeah. And see, that’s the kicker that all parents struggle with because it is easier. And Andrea’s personality is that things have to look nice and things have their right place. And so you shrug your shoulder and say, “Oh those kids,” and they’re off to school, and now she’s got to look at it all day. It’s going to drive her nuts. And I’m saying fight the temptation, let it sit there, and deal with it that evening for dinner. But be prepared for you and Doug to go out for dinner and let the kids look at each other.
Doug: So you’re telling us, yeah, let the laundry pile up, let the dishes pile up. I mean, do your own, but let the kids… Of course, the boys won’t care about that. But the other thing that you have said in the past is about letting siblings engage in doing chores for them. Right? That you say if you do an allowance, right?
Dr. Leman: Right.
Doug: You actually pay, right?
Dr. Leman: Yeah.
Doug: How does that work?
Dr. Leman: Well, if you have one kid who wants to be responsible and the others are laying in the weeds being the slobs they are, and keep in mind a lot of boys, not to sound too sexist, they could give a rip about laundry piled up. They’d wear the same shirt for a week. I mean, my wife said to me yesterday, this is true confessions here on our podcast, she said, “Lemy, tomorrow you need to change your shorts.” I’ve worn them three days, I’ll confess. Three days in a row, my belt’s on them, I don’t have to put a new belt on, they’re right on the floor of my bedroom where it’s easy to pick up. I know where they are. I’m confessing way too much here.
Dr. Leman: But you have to realize some kids don’t give a rip, but if you got a little responsible kid and she likes to make money off of her sibling’s negligence, she’ll be a rich young woman before long. Because if you’re going to pay that young lady for doing her brother’s work or her sister’s work, and it comes out of that sister or brother’s allowance, you’re going to get that kid’s attention eventually. They’re going to figure out, “Hey, I’m broke, and she’s walking around like the queen.”
Doug: Well, I want to get the ebook special today, but when I come back, I want to talk about this very specific way that you suggested that we divide chores in the Terpening household, and it’s worked like gold. So let me do this, and then we’ll come back and tell you what Dr. Leman recommends on how to divide chores. And I’m telling you, this is the time to get a book from Dr. Leman, and it is Have a New Kid by Friday. You can get it now until the end of March of 2020 for $2.99 wherever ebooks are sold.
Doug: And this is the book that I got that had launched me into realizing that I needed to change my parenting. It is a New York times bestseller. It’s sold millions. This is, I was an unaware parent. I thought I was a great parent, but I didn’t realize all the things that I was. I was controlling, I was authoritarian, and Dr. Leman let me down or let me realize it in a really simple way. Go get this book. Have a New Kid by Friday ebook. Unbelievable. $2.99 for yourself. Go and get it today. And now a no-nonsense parenting moment with Dr. Kevin Leman.
Dr. Leman: Hey parents, I get a lot of questions about those computers and the new Goliath, the cell phone, and can kids use those in their bedroom? So many parents, and I think I’ve even made this suggestion years ago, that computers should probably be in a neutral place, but you know what? There’s history buttons, there’s all kinds of ways that you can run some control and some investigation on who your kids are talking to by way of the computer, what sites they’re looking at, et cetera. I wouldn’t make, again, the proverbial molehill into a mountain here. I think the message ought to be that we have confidence in you, and we trust your judgments. That’s the message that needs to go to your kids. So computers in the bedroom, it’s not the end of the world. I wouldn’t get too upset about it. Carry on. Do a good job. Be the parent you need to be.
Doug: All righty, Dr. Leman, so you said to us, “Okay, Terpenings, you want to stop the chore battles?” You gave us this crazy concept. Let the kids decide how they’re going to divide the chores and put it on one sheet of paper, or at least that’s how I remember it hearing. Did I get that? Is that what you say?
Dr. Leman: Right. Let the kids figure it out, and believe it or not, this principle, folks, works with almost everything. Your kid’s just got his driver’s license or his permit, let that son or daughter write the rules governing the use of the family car. So in other words, this is a one of those one-size-fits-all concepts that get the kids involved and committed. Big business uses this all the time, getting employees involved, to the extent of ownership. So there has to be ownership, if we can use that term, for your kids in your home. Let them divvy up the chores. And again, I want to make this point, as your kids grow older and that kid turns 14 and he’s in high school now or she’s in high school, her responsibilities should lighten up. Lighten up. You heard me right. Why? Because we tend to make the firstborn responsible forever, and they do far too much work. And once a kid gets to high school, some of those jobs ought to be handed off to younger siblings so everybody gets a good shot at being responsible in the home.
Doug: So we did this. So just to reiterate, you literally tell the kids, “Here are the things that need to get covered for chores, and you probably have more, kids, so here’s a blank sheet of paper,” and you walk away and have them sit at the table. And I thought this is going to be a total failure. Dr Leman is nutso. Our kids range from probably that time, I don’t know, 16 down to whatever that is, 8, and they all sat there and divided up and found chores that we didn’t even think of, and they’ve owned it ever since. And now as our kids are leaving, the other ones get together and reorganize it. I’m telling you, this is so simple and it works. The other thing that Dr. Leman said to us that we did too is not only did we say, “We resign as servants,” but we said, “We need your help to run this household. Without your effort, this household doesn’t get run.”
Dr Leman, explain why that’s so important to tell our kids that.
Dr. Leman: Because kids get a sense of wellbeing, self-esteem, if you will, from the mundane, from the predictable where they get to pitch in. Kids need to see that they’re needed. Okay? This goes back to basic needs, that their acceptance, they’re accepted by the parents, that they belong, that they have a sense of belonging. Where? In their home. And parents, you want your kid to identify more inside the home than outside the home. If your kid doesn’t identify with your home and he just identifies outside of the home with friends and whatever, that kid’s going to run aground here before too long because home is a safe harbor.
Dr. Leman: And then you have to teach your kids to be competent. It’s important that kids learn, “Hey, I can do some things in life.” Let me, I’ll ask you a personal question. I’m saying everybody who’s listening. Who replaces the toilet paper in your bathrooms? And I’d love to take a vote on this. Does the paper go over the roll or under the roll as it comes out? See, I’m an over the roll person, and once in a while Mrs. Uppington will take my job and she’ll put toilet paper, two-ply, on, but she insists on having it under the roll. What do you think, Doug?
Doug: Oh, totally wrong. Over.
Andrea: It’s confusing. It’s so confusing.
Doug: Over. No, it’s not confusing, over the roll.
Andrea: No, no, no. It’s confusing if it’s not coming the right way.
Doug: Oh yeah. But you sometimes put it the wrong way.
Andrea: That’s because I’m not paying attention.
Dr. Leman: Back to the kids. I mean the nitty gritty of a parent might be, if you got the seven-year-old changing the toilet paper in the bathrooms, as a parent, I’m going to find out, “Honey, is your preference over the roll or under the roll?” Because if it’s under the roll, I got a problem. I’ll use napkins from the kitchen.
Doug: Oh my gosh. Ah, but to your point, one of the things that we haven’t talked about is don’t criticize your kids when they do a project, right? Dr Leman?
Dr. Leman: Yes. You got to respect their efforts. Yeah. Respect their efforts is important.
Andrea: And that means don’t go back and vacuum the room again after they’ve vacuumed poorly. Don’t go back and re-dust the shelf.
Doug: So in conclusion, if you’re struggling with getting chores done at your home, A: don’t micromanage, B: quit being the servants. Acknowledge that you’re doing things and you’re going to do things differently. C: let the kids choose the chores, right? And then D: get out of the way. Let them do it. Tell them you need their help, and then however they do it, respect it. I’m telling you, it actually works. It’ll take you a while for your kids to get the new system, but it works.
Dr. Leman: Yeah. Let’s go back to the point that Andrea just touched on, which is really important. When your kid does something really slipshod, it’s not done well, I mean it’s still a mess or whatever, we’re not saying, when we say respect their effort that you allow sloppy, not completed work, that doesn’t pass. What happens in that case is the son or daughter says, “Hey, can I go outside? I want to go down to James’ home.” And you say to your child, “Honey, I see your room isn’t ready yet for you to go outside.” That’s all. In other words, he doesn’t… So now we’re go back to B doesn’t start till A gets completed. So parents, don’t feel trapped here. This is something you can pull off, be an authority. It works.
Doug: So especially for all the moms out there that are doing, you love your kids so much and it’s just, as Andrea said, it’s easier to do it yourself, I’m telling you. And it takes years and years and years to get it there. But like the other night we came home at 10 o’clock as a family, and our son, not to brag on him, was like, “Oh, that’s right, I got to do dishes.” And actually did them because he knows it’s his responsibility to get them done. And it does pay off. It’s kind of a fight at times, and you can’t let up, sorry. But it will change. It will change, and it’s you that has to change, but you can do it. So anything else, Andrea, that you’d recommend since you fight this more than anybody else on here?
Andrea: I don’t know. The one thing I was thinking about was with younger kids, there’s the training phase, and as they get older, then it’s the stepping back and biting your tongue when they decide their timeframe hasn’t run out.
Doug: Well, I’m really glad you brought that up. Sorry to add one more thing, but Dr. Leman said this, and again I thought he was crazy when he said it, but he’s right. Your five-year-old can start helping around the house, and if you set that ethos way back when, it helps so much.
Andrea: Well, your two-year-old can start helping around the house.
Doug: What was it, Dr. Leman? What is it like-
Andrea: Three?
Doug: … three or four, you said when they start helping with [crosstalk 00:22:01]-
Dr. Leman: Yeah. Yeah. Even a two or three-year-old can help with laundry or helping with the dishwasher, or we talked about the toilet paper roll. I mean a three-year-old can do that. My goodness.
Andrea: I remember our little kids, they would deliver the laundry to the bedrooms. It was one of their favorite jobs, and they’d put the clothes in a basket and they’d drive it like a train down to the bedrooms where it had to go, and they just thought that was a ball.
Doug: Yeah. So all you moms and dads out there, I hope this helps you, to give you some practical, practical ways that you can get help around the home and finally kill the chore monster so that you’re able to do it. So I will say if you want confidence to be able to pull this off, go get Have a New Kid by Friday, please, for your sake. You can get it for $2.99 between now and the end of March of 2020. If you have not read that book, I’m on my hands and knees begging you, for your sake. It is a great, great, great book and will give you tons of confidence on how to do this and relieve the anxiety and be able to love those kids a whole lot more. Well, it was great to be with you and we look forward to the next time we get to hang out and help add to that parenting toolbox.
Andrea: Have a great one.
Doug: Take care. Bye bye.
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Doug: I am unhappy and I’m walking away. In fact, I’m disappointed in what you just did, and I’m walking away. Can you say that to your kids? Can you walk away from your children? That’s the question we’re going to ask Dr. Leman today and hear what he has to say.
Doug: Hi, I’m Doug Terpening.
Andrea: And I’m Andrea.
Doug: And we are really, really, really, really glad that you are with us today. If this happens to be your first time, I want to let you know that this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or your child, please go seek a local professional for help.
Doug: Well, for the next couple of weeks, we’re going to go back to the parenting basics as I call them. These are things that we did years ago that were foundational ideas, concepts that Dr. Leman has helped us understand and I hope he’s helped you understand. Well, we have a brand new small baby in our family. Not in our immediate family. Not in Andrea and I’s family. Andrea didn’t have a baby.
Andrea: No.
Doug: No announcement. But someone related to us had a baby, and we were thinking, hey, what would help them out if you were starting out again or if you had a small child? And then we’re like, boom, these are the kinds of things that Dr. Leman said that helped Andrea and I out, and we want to pass them on to you. So if you just joined us in the last year or two, that’s why we’re doing this.
Doug: So the first one up, Dr. Leman, is this. I have heard you say this phrase, and I don’t think you can say this as a parent. So I want you to tell us what this means and justify it to me. And that is I can walk up to my child after they’ve done something wrong and say, “I am disappointed,” and then I turn around and I walk away. I don’t think that’s legal. Tell me, what does that really mean and why is that legal?
Dr. Leman: Well, what you’ve done by going up to your kid and saying, “I’m very disappointed in what just went down here,” or something to that effect, is you’ve thrown him a curve ball right under his chin at about 86 miles an hour, which is pretty fast for a curve ball. You’ve knocked him down from the plate of life. You’ve got his attention. If nothing else, he’s going to say, “What was that all about?” Because you’re behaving differently. But what you have to understand is that there’s something inside of a kid that basically says I want my parents to approve of me, to love me. And when I find out that Mom or Dad is disappointed in what I’ve done, that gets my attention. It knocks me down and gets me thinking about, well, what have I done? Now, some kids are dumb as mud, and they might not even realize that what they said 20 minutes earlier was very surly, was very disrespectful, was way out of bounds. Sometimes it takes them a while to figure it out. But you’ve got their attention. That’s point number one.
Dr. Leman: So all you’re doing is stepping up to the plate and being the parent you need to be. You’re exerting your authority in your own home, which means kids are subject to you. Are you better than your kid? No. You’re not better than your kid. You have the same social equal value. God doesn’t love your kid more than you or you more than your kid. But you’re drawing a line in the sand, so to speak, and saying, “Hey, I’m unhappy.” And it gives the kid an opportunity to either respond or react. If they react to you, there’s going to be trouble for both of you. If he responds to you, you’re on first base in making that relationship just a little better. Does that make sense?
Doug: Yeah. Let me try and say it back so that I make sure I understand it. So by saying this, you’re making sure the kid understands that you are the authority there, you are exerting your authority. You’re getting your kid’s child… getting your kid’s child, oh, my gosh. You’re getting your kid’s attention about this, and you’re throwing them a curve ball. But aren’t I going to crush my kid? Isn’t it going to be bad to, A, hurt his self-esteem and, B, hurt our relationship if I do this?
Andrea: What is they feel rejected?
Doug: Yeah, boom, rejected, Dr. Leman. Now my kid doesn’t want to be with me.
Dr. Leman: Well, let’s put a little meat on the bone. You just found out he stole $20 out of your wallet. Okay? He’s a thief. What do you want to say to your son? Are you really that worried about his feelings at this point? Or do you realize, hey, this is a serious situation. I need to make a stand here. This guy’s got to understand that this is way out of bounds.
Dr. Leman: So again, parents tend to be way, way too concerned about a child’s self-esteem. That’s something that we’ve been sold a bill of goods from people in our community for a long time. And by the way, search for self-esteem. Those of you who are believers and you study the Bible, find self-esteem in the Bible for me, would you, and send it to me. I’d love to read about it. Now, I haven’t discovered it yet. Maybe it’s there. So again, we get way blown out of shape about what are my kids going to think of me? Are they going to… Of course, they’re going to love you. You’re the parent. I’m just asking you to be the parent God would have you to be. Stand up and be the parents. And that means sometimes calling a spade a spade. So if you’ve got a kid who’s stealing money from you or whatever, that’s just one example, I think you got to let them know on no uncertain terms that that doesn’t go in this home.
Andrea: So I have to be honest, Dr. Leman, if I picture that scenario for myself, instead of just saying one line and turning my back and walking away, I want to lay into them. I can feel myself wanting to explain, and teach, and describe, and give a story, a narrative of what’s going to happen if they continue down this line. And I can see it becoming an argument or one of those lectures.
Dr. Leman: Yeah, you have flunked today’s podcast, and I’ll tell you why.
Doug: Yes! Finally! Finally! I’m so happy.
Dr. Leman: Here’s the problem. If you continue to talk to him right then and there, the first thing he’s going to do is deny it. You’re setting your son up to lie. Okay? And that’s one of the reasons why I like just the terse I am very disappointed what happened here, turn your back and walk away. It gives time and separation so the kid can do a little soul searching and figure out how they’re going to face you. Because he or she is going to have to face you. It takes away the knee-jerk reaction that all of us do.
Dr. Leman: When I was hauled into the dean of students office many years ago at North Park University in Chicago, the guy says to me… His name was Elvin Erickson, and he said, “Hey, Kevin, do you know anything about the theft of the money over in Burgh Hall?” And I said, “I heard that some…” I forgot the adjective I used for the person, inferring that this person who was very bad and very dishonorable had stolen the money. I stole it. He asked me. My first reaction, “I didn’t do it. No, not me, Dean. It wasn’t me.” Well, he ended up throwing me out of school. So, so much for that. But my first reaction was what? “Oh, I didn’t do that.” Ask any parent. Who took the cookie from the cookie jar? Not me. You know that little rhyme, don’t you?
Doug: So, man, I love that. Right? When your brain is all on fire and you don’t know what to do to your kids, to say “I’m disappointed” and walk away? Boom! That’s such a nice tool to have in my bag so that I can calm down. But the second-
Dr. Leman: Okay. I-
Doug: Go ahead.
Dr. Leman: I think I’ve used this example before, but it won’t be long and pitchers will be reporting for duty here in late February I think it is, and baseball season starts March 26th. There’s a close play, okay, at second base. The runner thinks he’s safe. Unfortunately, the umpire thought he was out. He calls him out. The manager of the offensive team runs out screaming at the umpire and says, “Are you blind or something?” And the umpire does what? He tells him, “No, he missed the tag. He was high on the tag. He didn’t touch him.” And then what does the smart umpire do?
Doug: Walks away.
Dr. Leman: He turns his back and he walks toward center field, or left or right field, I guess, for that matter. But he walks away from where the majority of the players are, and he turns his back on the manager and walks away. Now, if the manager comes after him, and follows him out to center field, and talks about his mother in a disrespectful way, he’s going to wring him up. He’s going to throw him out of the ballgame. But my point is the smart umpire turns their back, walks away to give everybody a chance to just calm down. You questioned my call. I’ve told you why I made the call. This discussion is over.
Dr. Leman: And I think it’s great skill on the part of a parent because many of the mommies are just like Andrea. God bless her, she wouldn’t hurt a fly. They love their kids so much. They just want to be very careful about the words they choose to use because, “I don’t want my child ending up and not feeling like his mommy loved him.” You pushed for nine hours to give the little sucker life. What else do you want?
Doug: So, Dr. Leman-
Dr. Leman: Pardon my sense of humor. Go ahead, Doug.
Doug: So that’s great. Okay, I’ve walked away and I’ve told them I’m unhappy, but I’ve still got this elephant out there. My kid stole the money. I’ve missed my opportunity to make an impact. Right? I can’t go back to him now.
Dr. Leman: Oh, you made the impact by walking away. But the point that I think you’re making is, hey, we’ve still got a missing $20 bill and we’re going to talk about this. So we’ll go back to another principle of parents, and here it is. B doesn’t start until A gets completed.
Dr. Leman: Now, the A in this situation is the theft of the $20 bill from your wallet. And you found out because little sister ratted on him. Okay? So you know it’s true. Now, son comes and asks for… I don’t care what it is, anything. And the answer is no. And that’s the vitamin N. That’s another basic of parenting, that you have to give kids vitamin E, which is encouragement, and love, acceptance, a sense of belonging, a sense of competence. But the other flip side of that is vitamin N, which is no. “No, I don’t feel like driving you anywhere or giving you money or privilege or anything else. I’m very upset.” So we’re going to deal with A before we move on to B.
Dr. Leman: And see, that makes us, I think, as families accountable to each other to where we as parents follow through. What we say to parents all the time is don’t threaten your kids with things that aren’t going to happen. “All right, there’s no more candy for life. Do you understand me? No more candy for life.” Really? Stay away from the nevers. Okay? That gets you in trouble.
Andrea: So what if the kid… You said that the kid has a choice to either respond or react, and I love how you’ve described this before. What is the kid most likely to do?
Dr. Leman: Well, a lot of kids who react will come after you, and they’ll try to put a guilt trip on you. “You don’t believe me. You don’t trust me.” Well, again, my message to parents is remove your sails from your child’s wind. So when they’re blowing, and they’re blowing all kinds of smoke your way…”You’re such a bad parent. You never trust me. You never believed in me. You like her better than me,” and all that… don’t get involved. Remove your sails because if it’s a power struggle, especially if it’s in front of other people, you’re going to lose. You’re going to look like a fool. So you walk away. You keep your mouth shut. You’re the umpire who walks into center field. You made the call.
Dr. Leman: Now once emotions settle down and your kid is done reacting, then the best guess is… I mean, this is about as predictable as A is to B… your kid’s going to say to you, Mom or Dad, “Mom, Dad, I’m sorry.” And that’s the beginning of the restoration of the relationship. You’ve got to forgive them. You’re going to forgive them. Just like almighty God forgives you and me. Again, if you’re into believing what the scripture says, it simply says real clearly if you don’t forgive others, guess what? I’m not going to forgive you. So we all know we have lots of things to be forgiven for. So if we’re going to move forward, we’ve got to move forward in a rational way that makes a kid understand, “Hey, that was a mistake. You understand it. It’s not going to be repeated, right? We love each other. Tomorrow’s a new day. Let’s start it out on the right foot.”
Doug: So after we did this I don’t know how many years ago, this topic, podcast, I had an opportunity to use it with a couple of my kids. And it is great for me and for them to be able to de-escalate things. But I’ll be honest, to Anna, our second, one time I used it in anger and I just wanted her to pound sand and just let her know… And I did it wrong. But you know what? I realized I did it wrong, and I could go back to her, and we had a beautiful conversation because she was in the wrong, but I was also in the wrong. The reason I’m telling you that… like okay, that’s so confusing. What are you trying to say? I’m telling you, A, I’ve used it and it works. It helped me calm down, helped my kid get a chance to know… And even if you do it wrong, you’re doing it calmly that you have a chance to go back and do it right. It’s so good.
Doug: Okay. We’re going to take a break, and then we’re going to do role playing with Dr. Leman. So I want to cover a few things. There is an e-book special that you’ve got just a few days to get. It’s What A Difference A Mom Makes, between now and the end of February of 2020 for $2.99. And if you’re at all interested in buying this book, you should go read the Amazon reviews, but Andrea’s going to read one for you right now.
Andrea: Okay. This one says, “Great book. Every mother of a son or sons should buy this book. It is well written and easy to read. You don’t have to read the whole book at once but can read the chapter that applies to the age of your son. It helps you understand how your son is different and how he sees you. Fantastic book.”
Doug: So there’s even a review in there about a dad who bought the book just to find out could it help him, and he even wrote this amazing review of how it really helped him. So my strong encouragement, if you’re a mother or you have somebody in your life that’s a mother, this is an incredible book. Between now and the end of February, $2.99, of 2020. Go wherever e-books are sold already.
Doug: And now, a no-nonsense parenting moment with Dr. Kevin Leman.
Dr. Leman: Okay, parents. Let me get your attention. Your 14-year-old daughter is all of a sudden interested in another 14-year-old. Or let’s make it even worse. He’s 16. I can hear the chills running up your spine. Hey, let me give you an idea. We’re talking about dating. My suggestion is invite that kid over. You say to your daughter, “Honey, you’ve mentioned this Eric a lot of times. Why don’t you invite him over for pizza some night. We’d love to meet him.” Just like that. Don’t make this bigger than it needs to be. Don’t make the proverbial mole hill into a mountain. And that way you’re showing your daughter or your son that this home is also their home and that you’re willing to change.
Dr. Leman: To take these curve balls of life in stride does a great deal to increase the quality of your relationship with your son or daughter. The good news? A lot of these little early puppy love type things, they have a lifespan of about three to six weeks. So be willing, make the suggestion, and I’m not suggesting you leave them alone for four hours, but don’t hover and make a fool of yourself either. This is just a stage of life. You can handle this, parents. Now do it.
Doug: All righty. Dr. Leman, here we go. We get to role play this. I’ll be the child and you get to be the parent. It probably works better that way. So I’m a 10-year-old boy and we were just over at a family gathering for some reason, birthday or holiday season, and I was rude to everybody. Aunts and uncles I was just dismissive of, and I even shoved an aunt out of the way, and I was just mean to my cousins and everybody. So we get home, what happens?
Dr. Leman: Dougie, I want to talk to you.
Doug: Yeah.
Dr. Leman: You know how your teacher gives you a grade in school-
Doug: Yeah.
Dr. Leman: … on an exam? I’d like you to tell me what kind of a grade would you give yourself when you were over at Uncle Harold’s home?
Doug: B, I think maybe. Something like that.
Dr. Leman: B. Okay, B. Does that stand for bad behavior?
Doug: No. I didn’t light the cat on fire or anything. I wasn’t that bad.
Dr. Leman: Do you think when you told Aunt Harriet that she was fat was a cool thing to say?
Doug: Well, she… no, probably not.
Dr. Leman: See, I don’t know. We all have bad days. Okay? I’ll be the first to tell you that, Dougie. Mom has bad days. Dad has bad days. Your day today was not a good one. We were very disappointed in your behavior, and quite frankly, we were embarrassed. And there’s been very few times in my life when I’ve looked at you and your behavior and said, “Boy, I’m embarrassed.” But you embarrassed both of us this afternoon. You complained about the food that Aunt Marie brought. You said, “Yuck, I don’t like that.” If you don’t like something, I think there’s probably a better way to say it than yuck, I don’t like that.
Dr. Leman: But anyway, I want to hear from you. You had a mouth going on with Aunt Marie. You weren’t very nice to the younger children. I saw you take toys away from them. So you’re on. I want to hear from you. What was going on in your head today? Because, again, we were very disappointed in what we saw.
Doug: Well, Dad, it’s just the worst place in the world to go to, and those people are mean to me, and it’s so boring. And Aunt Marie is fat, and what’s wrong with just saying it? I hate being there, and I don’t want to be there, and I just… Why do we always have to do these stupid things that I just don’t want to do?
Dr. Leman: Okay. So far, Dougie, all I’ve heard is you whine. Life’s been unfair to you. Poor me. These people don’t like me. All of which I think are excuses or flat out lies, which makes me even more disappointed about today. Not only your behavior over there, but your behavior right now in front of your mom and myself. We’re just trying to get to the bottom of things, and you sound like a little whine maker. And the little whine maker is making excuses. Excuses don’t cut it. It doesn’t help.
Dr. Leman: So, I can tell today is not the day for us to have further discussion on this. We’re going to take this up tomorrow, but in the meantime, don’t ask for anything. Okay? If you require assistance of Mom or Dad, the answer is no. So save your breath. We are very, very upset and I want you to know how upset we are. So you can turn around, you can spend the rest of the day and the evening in your room. Okay? There’s no need for you to come out. I don’t want to see you until tomorrow morning. But I want you to think about what you just said: Everything’s boring, people don’t like me, and all that crap, to put it bluntly. That doesn’t cut it with Mom or Dad. That’s just excuses. We think more of you than that. I expect more of you. Do you understand me? Do you understand me? I expect more of you.
Doug: Yeah, but what about dinner? I’m going to be so hungry tonight.
Dr. Leman: Yeah, you might be. It might be a good reminder of how you behaved today. Trust me, you’ll live.
Doug: This is unfair. This is totally unfair. It was just a few things I said. Totally unfair. You are the worst parent-
Dr. Leman: There’s a lot of things unfair.
Doug: You are the worst parent ever.
Dr. Leman: Okay. I can see we’re in the reacting mode, the fighting mode. So this discussion for tonight is over. To your room.
Doug: Ugh.
Doug: Well, that’s the end of the role playing.
Dr. Leman: And I would add if he needs some help at age 10 to get to his room, I’ll help him at that point. I’ll take him by his arm, and I’ll walk him to his room, and I’ll give him a look that says, “Hey, I mean business. Don’t test me.”
Doug: So Andrea, as you heard that, what did you think?
Andrea: Well, I was surprised how much, Dr. Leman, you actually engaged him. I thought that it was going to be very short and quick and that you were just going to say, “Your behavior today was out of line, and we’re disappointed, and to your room for the rest of the night.” So I was surprised how much conversation you actually did have with him about what happened.
Dr. Leman: Well, they’re 10 years old. Okay? And they’re dumb as mud. Okay? And I’m saying that with tongue in cheek. Some of these kids who are dumb as mud are wizards at math in the classroom. They’re great little artists. So for those of you who are a little on the touchy-feely side, don’t get too blown out about today’s podcast. We’re just trying to demonstrate that you need to stand up and be the parent, and you got to understand that what the kid’s going to throw your way for the most part is excuses and lies. So we’ll deal with it. And his poor little tummy’s going to be empty all night. I feel so badly for him. If the kid’s half as smart as I just said he was, in the middle of the night he’s going to sneak down and get something out of that refrigerator.
Doug: Well, here’s the thing-
Dr. Leman: I was sleeping. I didn’t hear it.
Doug: Yeah. Here’s the thing. I’m clearly not a kid, but even as I was role playing, I could feel myself inside going, okay, am I going to go, “Dad, you’re right. I’m sorry.” Or am I going to power up and keep fighting?” It was interesting. Wow, you really did give me the chance to say, “You’re right, Dad. I screwed up.” Right? You did, and yet I chose to fight, which is-
Dr. Leman: As soon as I know there’s a fight… Remember, fighting is an act of cooperation. So I’m not going to cooperate in fighting. If you want to fight, we’re done. We’re done for today. We’ll face tomorrow tomorrow. Now to me, that makes all kinds of sense.
Dr. Leman: In fact, it was really funny. Once in a while I go on Amazon and I read the reviews. The book, Have A New Kid By Friday, is arguably one of the best books on parenthood you can find. If you look at the reviews, the reviews are glowing and wonderful. It’s just short of a five star, which is impossible to get it seems like. And I looked the other day and the first two that Amazon puts up are one-star reviews, and one of them says, “Oh, this book is worthless. I mean, it’s just worthless.” They were quoting me where I say things like an unhappy child is a healthy child. That lady sure didn’t like that. She wanted facts and figures, and she wanted this and that. And the other one was equally as bad. It’s a horrendous book. There wasn’t one positive thing that either of them said. So they give them one star.
Dr. Leman: And I’m thinking, okay, one-star reviewers, would you tell me why this book is a New York Times best-selling book? How did that book get those rave reviews from all these thousands of parents, hundreds of thousands of parents? I mean, I just shake my head. I’m telling you that when it comes to parenting, everybody’s a parenthood expert. Okay? Everybody. And with clicker in hand, computer before them, they can spew out some really nasty reviews. There’s nasty reviews on everything. On the Bible for sure, on Jesus himself. So it comes with the territory. But what makes that book so popular with parents is it keeps you out of battles. It helps keep your emotions in check. You certainly are able to deliver a message with love and compassion but also with accountability, which seems to be strangely missing from our society.
Dr. Leman: So parents, you got to pony-up here and be the parent you need to be. It’s not an occupation for cowards, because there’s times you really earn your keep as a parent.
Doug: Well, and that’s what I would echo, too, that you give us the tools to not fight. Right? And what we’re trying to give you, parents, with this phrase that I am disappointed and walk away is that you can walk away. You don’t have to solve that problem today, and you can let your kids know that.
Doug: So, Dr. Leman, like you saying in that role playing, “Tomorrow we’re going to talk about this.” Great. If you need to say that, say that. But I totally agree that there are so many times we instantaneously want to deal with something and we can deal with it later. I mean, even think about your marriage at times when you say things that are at the worst time possible and you regret it. But you can say to each other, “Hey, we’ll wait.” And that’s what we’re trying to get you parents to understand is, A, you can say I’m disappointed and walk away. It is a fabulous tool when you don’t know what to do. Fabulous tool.
Dr. Leman: Yeah, look at the principles that we just talked about. Let your yes be yes, your no be no. We haven’t said those words, but there’s a principle. We’ve talked about fighting’s an act of cooperation. We talked about turning your back, using action not words. Fighting’s an act of cooperation. In this one little podcast, parents, if you’re looking for little nuggets, there’s probably six or seven of them in this little podcast. And you can implement those in your life today.
Doug: And that’s what we’re trying to give you guys is all… This is why we’re going back to the parenting basics and saying okay, we’ll start here and you can build off this one for that. So we’re going to keep doing a couple more of these, and we’re actually going to cover B doesn’t happen until A is complete, and we’re going to do a couple more like that. But honestly, What A Difference A Mom Makes is only available until the end of February. And you know me, I am an unbelievable fan boy of Have A New Kid By Friday. It’s the book that launched me into changing my parenting as well. If you want a great book and you want practical… If you’re one of those people that’s an engineer that’s like, “I want to know what I’m supposed to do,” it’s great. If you’re a touchy-feely, it’ll give you the confidence to do the right things. I can’t recommend that book more.
Doug: Okay. Well, it was great to be with you, and we look forward to keep giving you some more of these parenting basics so that you can just add to that parenting toolbox and love them kiddos more and more. Can’t wait to be with you until the next time.
Andrea: Have a great week.
Doug: Bye-bye.
Andrea: Bye-bye.
]]>It’s time for another Ask Dr. Leman: “My oldest is jealous of the middle child.” Find out Dr. Leman’s answer in today’s episode.
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Doug: Okay, you have more than one kid and now you’re noticing they’re not getting along so well. In fact, I think the oldest is making life miserable for my middle child and I’m afraid it’s going to destroy their relationship. What do I do? That’s the question that Sierra asked Dr. Leman today that we get to hear his answer. Hi, I’m Doug Terpening.
Andrea: And I’m Andrea.
Doug: And we are so glad that you are with us today to add that parenting toolbox, but I want to let you know if this is your first time, welcome. And this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or child, please go seek a local professional for help. Well, I’d like to make a confession. I think my oldest sister destroyed our relationship. She is a horrible human being. She used to hold me down and do that typewriter thing on my chest, and then hit your face, ah, and have your sister do it was like the worst thing, but-
Andrea: And you have no relationship with her now do you?
Doug: None. None. No, I love my sister now, but obviously that’s not what destroyed the relationship. So let’s get to Sierra’s question about her kids destroying the relationships.
Sierra: Hey Dr. Leman, I have three boys, 10, six and two and for the most part they get along wonderfully better than typical brothers and sisters do. But the 10 year old has a really hard time with the middle one who’s four, he’s very jealous of him. The middle one doesn’t get in trouble very often. He’s very kind. He stopped… well, he’s quick to say he’s sorry. The older one doesn’t typically have good intentions and he gets in trouble a lot more.
Sierra: He struggles when he hears us encouraging the four year old when he goes to his first hockey practice, we’re very encouraging. He tries really hard and the older one sees how nice we are to the four year old and he really struggles. And then the four year old looks up to the older one and he’s angry at him because he’s jealous and he doesn’t encourage him.
Sierra: The four year old’s just looking for his encouragement like regarding hockey practice. I’m just wondering how do we instill good sibling relationships when there’s such an age gap and there is jealousy there. Thank you.
Dr. Leman: Well, thank you Sierra and I am going to turn tables on the Terpenings and I’m going to show you how smart Andrea and Doug, sometimes we call them Douglas really is. So we have a family of 10 year old, four year old, two year old. So I’m going to start with you Ms. Andrea-
Andrea: Hello.
Dr. Leman: How many families are represented in those three children?
Andrea: Oh, let’s see, because between the 10 and the four year old, there’s a six year gap that is an only child and then the four and the two are considered siblings or one-
Doug: Or a new family.
Andrea: A new family.
Dr. Leman: There you go. Now friends, I’m calling you friends, everybody listening to the podcast. Do you see how smart she is? She sees the 10, four and two, she says, hey, there’s two families. So let’s think about this for a second. We’ve got a 10 year old who’s the king of the mountain? He is King. He is unchallenged. He is the lion with a big mane. Okay. He gets to the top of the mountain and he just roars and he says, I am King.
Dr. Leman: And then he hears a new word, pregnancy ,and his life is about the change and the thing comes home. What goes on in that now 10 year old’s mind when he first heard that word pregnancy? What do you suppose it was, Doug?
Doug: Competition.
Dr. Leman: Competition. That I wasn’t good enough, they had to get another one. And then they bring the thing home from the hospital and the thing has its own room and grandparents come and bring the thing presents. And before long, firstborn 10 year old feels what? What’s the word that a 10 year old would feel with this little new baby brother moving into his turf?
Andrea: Forgotten?
Doug: Neglected, pushed aside.
Dr. Leman: Yep. Pushed aside, forgotten, threatened by the kids’ existence. And so pretty soon firstborn says, you know what? I’m going to be okay. All that kid does is sleep all day long. That kid can’t do a thing. In fact, that kid is useless. But as the months go by, little Mr. Useless becomes more capable. Oh my goodness, he’s walking. Oh my goodness, he’s touching my stuff. Do you get the picture I’m drawing?
Dr. Leman: And so what happens in families is there’s a search for dominance. There’s a search for being the boss, being the big guy. And not only that, the now four year old, but mom and dad had to do it again and now we got a two year old? So get behind the 10 year old’s eyes for just a minute. And so if I’m a parent, I’m saying things like Sierra, you know what? You’re probably way too hard on your firstborn son.
Dr. Leman: I think you ought to pull them aside and have a conversation like this. Hey honey, can I ask your opinion about something? Sure mom, what? Well it’s about the two little ones? Are they a pain in the butt or is it me? Now, your 10 year old will do a double take when you say that. I can’t believe mom just said pain in the butt, but thank God somebody understands what I’m up against.
Dr. Leman: I get in trouble for what they did. They’re the ones that are messing with my stuff. All I did was tell them to get their hands off it. I’m just protecting my turf. So you have to come alongside of the 10 year old and let, he’s got to feel and see that you understand what he’s up against. Now trust me again, Sierra, I think your question was how do I have positive sibling relationship?
Dr. Leman: You’re not going to have him for a while in all probability, but if you take this approach, it’s going to lessen. These kids will be in each other’s wedding someday. When these kids are older and somebody does something to the four year old or two year old who’s now 12 or 13, big brother’s going to come to their rescue. He’s going to challenge harm to someone who does harm to one of those kids. He’ll be the protective one. So again, don’t get too uptight right now about what you’re seeing.
Dr. Leman: So what I’m saying is get behind the 10 year old’s eyes, do some psychological disclosure, that’s the technical term for it, about what you see going on. So that he see us like somebody sees life from behind his eyes. Then the talking to with a four year old who sounds like a very nice little kid at four, there’s times when four year old is crossing the line, be quick to admonish the four year old.
Dr. Leman: And just using that same example, four year old don’t touch 10 year old stuff, that’s his stuff. You only touch that if he gives you permission to play with that or use that, that kind of thing. So what I’m saying is, mom, you end up being a mediator here, two year old is going to… they’re still at the give me stage, but you’ve got two families. You’ve got the compliant firstborn and the four year old, you’ve got the only child who was invaded by these martians from another planet who have come in and crippled his lifestyle.
Dr. Leman: So you have to do some juggling here, but you get through this, it’s going to get better. It’s not going to cease immediately, but you can make a real dent in it from using psychological disclosure with your 10 year old. If you have a new kid by Friday, that’d be a good read. A lot of good practical stuff there.
Doug: Psychological disclosure, I remember the first time you said sit down with your kids and comment about your other kids, isn’t this kid a little over the top? Isn’t this kid a little too wound? And this kid a little, I thought that sounds terrible. Like I really didn’t. Finally, we were having some issues in our family and I thought, well, I’ll try this crazy guy and see if he could maybe… Oh my gosh, that was one of the best things I ever did.
Doug: To sit down and comment about what everybody knows about the siblings to a sibling was amazing. I mean it was… so, I know this… well, if you’re like me, you would think this sounds like you’re talking bad and can make the relationship worse, it does not. It relieves so many pressure points, it was crazy. So, sorry. Here’s my question though, for you, Dr. Leman, would you say to that 10 year old, hey, I need your help with the four year old in X, Y, and Z. Would you ever do that?
Dr. Leman: Yes. Yeah. Again, proof the Terpenings are smart people because you can reason with a 10 year old. Okay. You can have an adult type conversation with a 10 year old. And you preface it with, I know that kid’s a pain in the tail, but listen, I really need your help on something here because this is really bothering me. And it’s hurting all of our relationships. And quite frankly, it’s impeding our relationship that we have.
Dr. Leman: And I always thought we had a good relationship, but there’s days I’m not real happy with you. So you’re shooting it to him straight. Then you come right back and say, but honey, I need your help. And only you, only you and not the two year old, not the four year, only you can help with this. I want to count on you. Can I count on your cooperation? Get the commitment and then move forward. So I don’t… to me it… I get accused of using common sense and I’m so pleased that I get accused of that because it is common sense, but you have to do it in the right way. And that’s why those Leman books sort of help you learn to respond rather than just react because that’s what most of us do. We just react. That’s never good.
Doug: I want to make sure that we get the break in here, but I want to come back and ask you another question about how you would treat that 10 year old, but before our time runs out, I want to make sure everybody knows that you can go get the ebook, What A Difference A Mom Makes between now and February 29th of 2020 for $2.99. Andrea.
Andrea: Yeah. Here’s another review from Amazon. Wow! For me personally, this is one of the best books I could have read at this time in my life. I’m a mom to two young boys. Because I don’t have daughters and may not even have daughters, I felt my role as a mom wasn’t as important as that of my husband’s. How wrong I was. Dr. Leman explains clearly why moms matter in their son’s lives. I learned so much by reading this, such as how I should change my parenting style and what is acceptable and unacceptable attitudes. The book is not too heavy but just enough depth to convict me on some things I need to work on. I also appreciate how Dr. Leman used his own experiences to expand on his points.
Doug: So I recommend if you’re a mom and you want to have even more confidence raising your boys, go get or any of your kids, but go get What A Difference A Mom Makes for $2.99 between now and the end of February of 2020. So Dr. Leman, besides the psychological disclosure of isn’t that kid crazy, well, you would never say crazy, but that kind of concept. Would you ever say to your kid, your 10 year old, tell me what bothers you about the four and two year old? Would you ever ask them that question?
Dr. Leman: Sure. But I give him a litany of things that I observe first. So he knows that he can swing for the fences because sometimes as a parent you don’t know. I mean she described four year old is almost saintly, but who knows what saintly four year olds does when mom’s eyes are not on the room. So that’s always good. Always good to get the kid’s insight into that. You want to listen, you want to be a listener without being judgemental and that’s hard to do.
Doug: So say 10 year old says, I don’t want you to touch my Legos, we’ll choose one. Then do you go as a mom to the four… or dad to the four year old and say, hey four year old, Legos of 10 year olds, off limits.
Dr. Leman: No. I would wait until… because that situation is going to come. Sure as God made little apples, where that kid’s going to test that out to see if anybody really meant business. So when mom catches them with Lego’s in hand, then I’d pull four year old and says, hey, I’m very disappointed. I think your brother made it really clear that those were his Legos and he didn’t want anybody playing with them.
Dr. Leman: And here you are doing it. I’m very disappointed in the fact you’re not respecting your brother’s wishes. That makes mommy very unhappy. That’s exactly how I’d handle it. So now you’ve hit him at both levels. You hit him from a 10 year old’s position, but you’ve also shared with him as a mom how that made you feel.
Doug: How do you also say to your 10 year old, yeah, I know that four and two year old, they act like angels but you and I both know they’re not. Would you ever say that as well to the 10 year old?
Dr. Leman: Yeah, yeah. But you could do it in guessing way. You could say, honey, you know what? I think most people see your little four year old brother as a pretty cool little four year old who minds and does things sort of perfectly. I think you and I both know there’s times that that little angel has a few little horns on his head to. Something like that. Something the 10 year old would understand.
Dr. Leman: And again, at least the 10 year old saying, hey, somebody understands where I’m coming from. This isn’t easy. When something has to be done, the garbage has to be taken out, they don’t call on that four year old. You know who the garbage man in this house is. And I get in trouble for what they did. Is it my fault that four year old decided to traipse through the puddle and ruin their good shoes? Mom said I was supposed to be watching them. Yeah, I watched him. I watched him walk right through the puddle. What was I supposed to do? So again, keep in mind, you just have to make the sale to the customer, parent. And you have three little customers and they’re all very different.
Doug: Well, a little terminating story to back this up. So we have two boys and they’re four years apart. And I thought the younger one was an angel. I really did. I thought that he was perfect. And the great thing about our second son is that at times he’ll tell us the truth and he shouldn’t. And so we were like talking to James and Jay, our oldest, and he was saying, hey, brothers may not be as pure as you think he is. So we were, I sat down with the younger one. I said, “Do you ever provoke your brother?”
Doug: And he smiled and he says, “Oh yeah, all the time.”
Dr. Leman: I love it.
Doug: It crushed my opinion that he was the saintly child then I realized, yeah, these younger ones are poking the older ones all the time and then it really helped the older one to know that I did see that the younger ones were not walked on water and not perfect. You do need to do it. It helps. I don’t know how to say it other than that, so.
Andrea: I’m wondering if from the other side of the coin, if there’s anything that Sierra and all of us moms out there can do to actually build the family relationships. Like what suggestions do you have? I think what you’ve talked about already is like super powerful, but are there like traditions or activities or things that you could do on the other side to draw them together?
Dr. Leman: Well, I think when a mom says, “Honey, I need your help. Could you help me solve this?” We know this about us, men. Men love to solve problems. Give young men an opportunity to help moms solve problems. You can even invent the problems if you want, mom, I don’t care. Honey, I need your help. You’re so strong, could you do this for me? And so you have kids who are now taller than you. Hey honey, I can’t reach that. Would you get that for me? And then just a slip of a commercial announcement. You know what I love about you? If I asked you to do something, you do it with a smile on your face. Wow, makes me proud just to be your mom. I love you. Thanks honey. That’s all. There are little taglines that you give kids every day.
Andrea: So when the kids are helping you, it changes their perspective on their other siblings?
Dr. Leman: No, it changes their perception of themselves. The kid that’s acting out feels what? Hurt by life, life’s unfair. I’m always picked on. I’m always the one. So when a mom says, honey, I was just thinking about you today when I asked you to clean the garage yesterday to help me because I know dad wanted it cleaned up and you volunteered to help. I was thinking how easy it would be for you to make an excuse or say you had to have homework done or something, but you know what, you did it with a smile on your face. I just wanted to let you know that’s a great sign of maturity in your life. You’re growing up and I just appreciate your willingness to help. I am so lucky to have a son like you. If you want to add, now those two little slugs… no, you don’t want to say that.
Doug: Well, you know the other thing that you said that again I’m starting to see in living color is if you get your kids to serve others. That that just helps get the eyes off myself and to others. And now that can change dynamics and our family loves now to go do that as a group and as a family. And you said we need to have a protocol and it can’t just be about our own selfishness but about investing in others. Yeah.
Dr. Leman: Yeah. Just before Christmas time, NBC had a special called Ellen’s Eggnog, which stood for Ellen’s greatest gifts, grandest gifts or something, blah, blah, blah. But it was a marvelous show where they gave really deserving grateful people in life, great gifts. They gave one kid $150,000 for example, and a brand new car.
Dr. Leman: They gave one man who had lost his wife to cancer with two little girls, they gave him a new house. It was unbelievable. But my wife and I were watching the three night special and everybody that watched the program was in tears apparently, we were, but our son created that show and he was the head writer for and the executive producer of it and we were laughing because that’s who Kevin was as a little kid.
Dr. Leman: He was always a giver. He was always generous. He was always a helper. And here he is, I don’t know, I think he’s 40 years old now or so, but he loves to help people. And it’s something he learned in the confines of his home. And we saw a recent video of our kids that was found that we didn’t know existed, our daughter Hannah sent it to us and it was Christmas time in a Leman home.
Dr. Leman: And we remarked about if you look at that video right now, you could almost forecast what those kids were going to be like as adults by just watching that Christmas video when they were little kid. So here’s something for you all to think about. The little boy or little girl you once were, guess what you still are. So it’s really important to train kids. It’s really important to have these conversations that Doug and Andrea have suggested you have with your kids.
Dr. Leman: It’s called relationship building and it really pays off and you only have a short window to do this parents. Life goes by awful quick. Trust me, those of us who have kids who are older will ask the question every day, where’d those years go? They seem like minutes. So make the best of every day. Put a smile on the heart of your kid. Do it smart.
Doug: Amen. And my encouragement to you is, and I’ve said it a ton, Dr. Leman changed the way I parent and now as teenagers, we’re having way too much fun with our kids. It seems like we’re cheating somehow, but if you invest the effort early and now it a way pay off, we’re living proof. So please, please, please do it. If you want a roadmap, go get one of Dr. Leman’s books, it’s what helped us.
Doug: So right now you get What A Difference A Mom Makes between now and the end of February of 2020 where eBooks are sold for $2.99. Okay, we love adding to your parenting toolbox so you love those kids more and more. And we look forward to the next time we get to be with you and Sierra, thank you for this questions. Anybody that wants to go to birthorderguy.com/podcastquestions. We love answering them.
Andrea: Yeah, thank you Sierra. This was a great question for a great discussion. So have a good week.
Doug: Take care. Bye-bye.
]]>What do you do when your kid hits you? Listen in to learn more about how to handle your kids when they hit you.
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Doug: One of the more common questions that we get asked is what do I do with my children who hit? Yep. We get the one obviously about siblings, but more and more we get questions about what do we do about my kids that hit? Well, that’s the question that we get to ask Dr. Leman today for you.
Doug: Hi, I’m Doug Terpening.
Andrea: And I’m Andrea.
Doug: And that was like a low energy, weird kind of beginning. I don’t know what was wrong with it, but I guess who wants to be happy about anybody hitting mom? That’s weird. So, okay. But glad you’re here with us today. I want to let you know that if this is your first time with us, this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raise any concerns for you or your child, please go seek a local professional for help. Well, Dr. Leman, this is not a ask Dr. Leman question, but it really is because the number of moms that are asking us increases to say, “What do I do when my child hits me?” So we’re going to do this in two parts. The first question I’m going to ask you is if I have a three year old who hits mom, what does mom do and what does dad do with the three year old?
Dr. Leman: Okay, well, number one, I appreciate you guys tackling this because kids are creatures of habit. And kids, during the developmental years, once they hit about 16 or 18 months, a kid can get very powerful. They’re acutely aware of the relationship between them doing something and you as a parent reacting or responding in kind. What happens is a kid will … They don’t haul off and slug mommy at age three usually, but it happens. And a mom can read that as, isn’t he adorable? Isn’t he cute? No, there’s nothing cute about a youngster hitting their parent, especially a young boy hitting his mommy or young girl hitting her daddy. Those are the key relationships in families. Keep that in mind. So through trial and error, a kid learns that that’s okay. Well, why do they learn it’s okay? Because the parent didn’t handle it the first time right.
Dr. Leman: So for all you young mommies who have little infants, they’re not crawling yet even, keep this in mind. The first time that kid ever hits you, you need to get a look on your face that looks like angry mama bear who just got her foot caught in a trap. You got to do everything and snarl as you say it with a humongous no. And with young kids, what you do with any kind of hitting, because parents don’t know what to do, they always tell me that. What do you mean you don’t know what to do? You’re five foot four and your child is 24 inches tall. What do you mean you don’t know what to do? Put your arms around the kid in such a way that they can’t hit you. That’s lesson number one.
Dr. Leman: Lesson number two is when you’ve done that and secured them so you know they’re not going to continue that behavior, you put them someplace. If it’s a playpen, and by the way, I hope all you young moms have little playpens of sorts. I know they call them different things, pack and play and everything else, but you know the point. Pick up the child, isolate them, put them in there with a stern no. Okay? That’s giving your kid vitamin n, which we approve of here on our podcast. If it’s appropriate, put a child in their room, close the door, hold the door if you have to. Let that kid have an immediate timeout. I hate that word, but you’re isolating the kid. You’re removing the kid from the scene. The scene is the kid creates a situation that is hitting mom or hitting dad, they need to be isolated immediately. So that’s how you physically handle it, but you also have to use words.
Dr. Leman: Now again, when you talk to a two year old, there’s not a lot of reason in a two year old. But something very similar like, “Mommy doesn’t like that. That hurts mommy’s feelings. That makes mommy feel sad inside.” Kids can understand that. So keep it simple. Someone said keep it simple, stupid. Well, I don’t want to call you stupid, but I’m telling you this isn’t rocket science, what we’re talking about right now, especially with a little three year old. Now again, I’ll give you that kids come with a bent, a disposition. It seems like some kids have an attitude when they come out of the womb. But nevertheless, you cannot allow the behavior to continue. Okay. So again, for you adults, keep in mind you’re training up a child and you’re representing all of womanhood to this young girl or young boy. And I underscore boy because it’s really important that a man, young man, learns to respect his mom.
Andrea: So this is great for mamas who have young children who haven’t yet hit them. Now I’m a listening mom and my three year old has developed a habit of hitting me. Do you have any advice for me?
Dr. Leman: Well again, habits only continue because they’re rewarded. And that’s where parents fail to see. This is operate conditioning at its best. And that’s why I say the first time a kid does something, you have to nip it in the bud so to speak. Because again, habits don’t continue. I don’t care. People tell me their kid whines and he’s nine years old. Give me a break. What have you done, parent, to nip that whining at age three? You didn’t do anything or you did inappropriate things and that’s why they continue to whine at age nine. So behavior only changes in your kids when you change whose behavior? Yours. And I’m the guy that wrote Making Children Mind Without Losing Yours. You don’t make children mind, but you set up situations where a kid figures out I might need to fall in line and do what expected of me.
Doug: So Andrea, you have your three year old, your cute little bundle, in your arms, maybe a two year old. And they turn around and they start just patting your cheeks and then she or he slaps it hard. Could you go full on mama bear or snarl, no, isolate them?
Andrea: Well, first of all, I think you’re painting a different picture. That sounded like they were being playful and they didn’t realize they were really … I think it’s more of a situation where the child is actually angry at me because I took away their toy, I’m making them go take a bath, they don’t want to, and they lash out. Now in a situation like that, it’s a lot easier to rise up and become mama bear because I realize I’m not going to let them treat me this way.
Doug: Dr. Leman, does it matter if it’s the kids angry or the kids playing? Does it matter at all?
Dr. Leman: Well, let me point out, though, that the scenario that the lovely Andrea just painted where a kid doesn’t realize they’re hitting is more along the two year old line. Three year olds know what they’re doing. So there’s a big huge learning gap between a two year old and a three year old. But she makes the point that, again, there are kids who innocently will slap at mom or … But nevertheless, you still give that innocence a big no and a growl because that kid has to understand that. And you still hold the kid’s arms in so they can’t do that. Again, this is important. Abuse in our country is rampant. And with all the knowledge we have about abuse and all the high profile cases we’ve seen where people have been jailed and the reputation’s ruined, you would think that people would pay more attention.
Dr. Leman: Look at the professional athletes who’ve lost millions of dollars through contracts because of spousal abuse. And again, remember abuse comes with the tone and the words. The little kid who you won’t get something for, a treat or whatever, he says, “I hate you.” Really? He hates you. Okay. So the very next time that child asks for anything, you tell him no. “Mommy, can I have a glass of milk?” “No honey, you can’t.” You’ve thrown the kid a curve ball. He’s thinking, “What’s wrong with her?” Let him figure it out. Even a three year old will figure it out sooner or later. You slip him the commercial announcement that says, “I don’t like the way you talk to me. Mommy never wants to do anything for you when you talk to me like that.” So again, all you’re doing is, they have this invisible fence with dogs. You ever seen those things?
Doug: Yep.
Dr. Leman: They work and they’ll keep a dog in the yard. It’s an invisible fence. And I think every parent needs an invisible fence where their little son or daughter knows that you don’t cross the line there. If you do, you’re going to get zapped emotionally by mama bear or daddy bear depending upon the situation. But again, I’m so glad we’re tackling this today because I’ll ask the question for you. Hey Dr. Leman, what if the kid’s 10 or 12?
Doug: That was my-
Dr. Leman: Whoa. Yeah, you got a huge problem there. And you also have a track record of being permissive, now catch this, or way authoritarian with this kid. If you’ve physically been hitting this kid since he was two years old because you thought that was a cool idea, age 10 he’s hitting you back, or 12. Well, who taught him to hit to begin with?
Dr. Leman: So again, these things just don’t come out of thin air. There’s reasons why kids hit. A kid who’s striking out at those people that are supposed to love him the most is saying by the behavior, “I feel hurt by life. Therefore, I have a right to strike out at life.” Well, who and what is life for a 12 year old? It’s their brother, their sister, their parents. The old song You Always Hurt The Ones You Love is profound title because that’s what happens to people in life. So you need some real help if you’ve got a 12 year old that’s hitting you. And just ask yourself, ladies, if that’s your son, “What kind of a husband is she going to make someday?” If that’s your daughter, “What kind of a wife and mom is she going to be someday?” So these are serious things that I think, and rarely do I say you need outside help, but if you got a hitter at that age, you need some outside help to help you get through this.
Doug: So again, I recommend … The reason we’re doing this podcast is because you want a roadmap, you want the confidence to know what to do. Moms, you want to know what a difference you make? Go get the book between now and the end of February of 2020 for $2.99. Okay,
Andrea. So to your question, what were you going to ask?
Andrea: Yeah. I’m wondering, now I’m a mom who’s got a 10 year old or a 12 year old that is hitting me. Is there any hope?
Dr. Leman: Well yeah, there’s always hope. But I’m just telling you, this is major. This is where you give the kid the bread and water treatment, where this kid gets no privilege, he doesn’t get much of anything. The bread and water means you feed him, he’s got shelter. But, “Mom, would you drive me here?” No. “Can I have this? Could I have $20?” No. You need $20, find a way to earn it. There’s all kinds of neighbors that need yard work done or snow shoveled or you name it. Start showing the kids that they have reason to be grateful. Kids today are not grateful. They’re not grateful for anything. And we make it way too easy on them. And so, if we see the errors that we’ve made have created a situation that’s not good for our kid, the last thing your kid needs at that point is a permissive parent who’s driven by guilt to do more giving to a kid. No, you need to stand this kid up on his own two feet, hold them accountable, let them know that you’ve made some mistakes, but they’re going to see a new parent before their very eyes. That’s what turns kids around. And that’s why I say there is hope.
Andrea: And now they’ll associate the hitting with the bread and water treatment.
Dr. Leman: Absolutely. A simple statement, people aren’t for hitting, they’re for loving. I mean, what kind of a family do you want? Back to Thanksgiving, people always ask you, “Well, how was your Thanksgiving?” And I decided this year to tell some people and say, “Tell you the truth, it was marvelous because there were just 10 of us around the table this year. Usually we have a few strays, but we had no strays this year. It was just family. And spontaneously, one of us started. They stood up and they said, ‘I just want to tell each of you why I’m thankful for you.’ And it was Mrs. Uppington this year that started it and she went around the table. And then the next one proceeded. All 10 of us did that. An hour and 10 minutes later we got to number 10. And our eyes were all swollen, our faces were red because we were all crying.” That’s a great Thanksgiving. Not to mention the great dinner Mrs. Uppington put on the table.
Dr. Leman: But you know what? We do have a lot to be thankful for. And those of you who have grandmas and grandpas in your life, I got news for you. They’re not going to be there forever. Take the time to use the words to affirm to those you love. There is a great Thanksgiving message I think. Valentine’s day is upon us. How about that for a time to say, “Hey listen, you know what? I need to tell you how much you mean to me.” Don’t miss those opportunities, parents.
Doug: And that’s why we’re doing this. So you can solve these things so you can have those kinds of conversations with your kids. That’s really why we’re doing it. And Dr. Leman, I want to go back to something you just said real briefly before the break was that you would actually encourage this mom to go seek outside help. In what form would you say? Or dad, what form would you say that should take?
Dr. Leman: Well, again, I always tell people, “If you’re going to go find outside help, find someone who is directive, who will call a spade a spade with you. Look for someone who wants to get rid of you.” By that, I mean someone who specializes in short term therapy. Remember therapy is just a reeducation. You’ve learned to be the parent you are. They’ve learned to be the kid they are. But we need to relearn some things. If you need a book to reinforce that, pick up a copy of Have A New You By Friday. I thought it’d be sort of neat to write a book where people could sort of shrink themselves. And people love that book. All those Friday books are good. But if you’re in this trying to change some behavior, you can’t miss with Have A New You By Friday. It gets you into who you are and shows you how to change mentally. The decisions you make in your mind are the decisions that will eventually show behavioral change in your life. So you can think your way to behavioral change. That’s an interesting concept. But find somebody. Because sometimes you need an outside opinion just to help guide you through it.
Doug: Yeah. One last question. Andrea and I help out at a nonprofit that helps men and women who either of their own accord ended up in a bad spot or sometimes it’s ladies who ended up with abuse from their husband that just had to flee to get back on their feet. But one of the things that, in hearing their stories, there’s men and women there. When talking to the men, it’s interesting how many of them were kind of angry and at 10 year olds, they were this kind of violent. When does a parent need to throw in the towel and say, “I can’t deal with this kid. Somehow I’ve lost control and I just got to move on.” At what age or when do you know you’re done?
Dr. Leman: Well, usually that happens out of desperation and it usually happened around age 18 when a kid is literally can be on their own because the parents have tried about everything. Because see these kids have stole things from the parent they lie at will, they’ve gotten into trouble at school, maybe with the police. I mean, you get to a point where you just say, “You know something? Prodigal son or daughter, you need to go and live life the way you want. We’re holding you back.” And that’s a tough thing for a parent. That’s tough love with a capital T L. But I think sometimes it comes to that. And I think sometimes you have a very kind of conversation with your kid that goes like this. “We love you, but you know what? We really can’t live with you. It’s just, it’s not working for you. It’s not working for us. You need to be gone.”
Dr. Leman: And for some kids they’ll go, some kids will go in the service. And the Master Sergeant can be a pretty good teacher to a young private. Some kids don’t cut it in the military either. They get dishonorably discharged. But if you look at people who’ve had a trouble life, very few who have adult troubled lives had wonderful childhoods. They had terrible, for lack of a better term, childhoods. They had poor relationships. They had no one that they could really trust and talk to. So it all goes back to the parent. When you see a kid that’s off center, you can usually look back at mom and dad and see that there’s a fair share of responsibility that belongs clearly on their shoulders, many times because they were too authoritarian. But these days, many times because they’re too what? Permissive. They breach contempt.
Doug: And now I kind of regret my question because it was taking us down a different path because you’re right, when I think about those stories, they grew up with really bad parents and there was abuse in the family, which is what caused them to continue that lifestyle. So yeah.
Dr. Leman: But see, someone like Doug or Andrea Terpening who volunteers there, you can be a difference maker because you can plant the seed. Do you think that life could be different for you? And see, when you give that vitamin E that says, “I really believe life could be different for you, but I think it’s going to be really difficult.” So you’re not blue smoking them, you’re not saying, “Oh, this is easy. Here, read this book and you’ll be a new person in five days like Dr. Leman said.” It’s not that easy for people who that entrenched in a negative lifestyle. They need some successes, but they need some cheerleaders on the side.
Dr. Leman: I’ll tell you a very personal thing. And I’m just telling you this because it’s who I am. But a friend of mine has a grandchild who was a heroin addict, okay? He served time. He’s in his late twenties. And I heard about how he has kicked heroin and he doesn’t have a car yet, to give you an idea. He was living out behind some retail stores in the desert of Tucson, Arizona. But now he’s working at a fast food place, has to wear a tie to work because he’s now in management, and he’s really turned his life around. What I heard that, I told my wife, I said, “I’m going to go out and see if I can find that kid.” Now he doesn’t know me from Adam. And so I walk in, stupid me, I walk in at the lunch hour, they’re very busy. I asked for that kid and they said, “Well, he’s over there but he’s busy right now.” And I said, “Well, when he gets a second, just have him pop over here. I only need a minute with him.”
Dr. Leman: So I patiently waited. He comes over and looks at me like, who’s this old guy? I said, “Hey listen, I just want you to know I heard your story. That’s an inspirational story. You are an inspiration to me and I want to wish you the very best.” And I stuck out my hand and I shook his hand. Now inside that hand was a hundred dollar bill just for fun. But see, that’s who I am. I love inspirational stories. I love to see if maybe something I could say or something I could do could help that young adult on the right path of life. See, I think we all can be Johnny Appleseeds along that line. Look for places where you can invest in people, even in a 30 second conversation.
Dr. Leman: Do you think that guy is ever going to forget this old guy that came up and slipped him a hundred dollar bill and said, “Hey, good job. I’m so happy to know that you’re on the right track in life.” And what it cost me, it cost me the time to go out there and it cost me a hundred dollar bill. But that’s vitamin E in the flesh. I think that’s how we should live our lives. But again, I’m not sharing that story to say, “Look at me.” Trust me. Well, we’ve done this our entire life and Sandy and I have done it when we didn’t have two nickels to rub together. So it’s not a matter of somebody saying, “Oh, Dr. Leman, that’s easy for you because you can afford this.” No, we did it when we couldn’t afford Jack or diddly.
Doug: Well, Andrea for years has said that we should be serving more. You say that we should serve more. And now that we’ve gotten more involved in this nonprofit of helping them and serving down there, it just fills us up. And the impact, especially on our younger kids, has been way more positive than I ever would have dreamed of. And I know we started this off talking about what do I do when my kid hits mom? But man, getting your kids to go serve others is like, man, there’s nothing bad about that. But we should save that for another time.
Andrea: Yeah, that’s another podcast itself.
Doug: Andrea has given me the wrap-up sign. Good job, Andrea. We’ve got to wrap it up. Will do. Thank you, Andrea. So quick reminder, get the book What A Difference A Mom Makes between now and February 29th of 2020. Ebook, $2.99. And mama bear, don’t be afraid to say no the first time it happens and isolate them and you’ll be thankful years down the road. So thanks for hanging out with us and we hope this adds to your parenting toolbox and we look forward to the next time we get to be with you.
Andrea: Enjoy those kiddos.
Doug: Take care.
Andrea: Bye-bye.
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It’s time for another Ask Dr. Leman: “Should we help with homework after stopping school for 2 years?” Find out Dr. Leman’s answer in today’s episode.
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Doug: Travel abroad, two years, no work, kids in a van across the United States and Europe. Ah, sounds delightful. But what do you do when you come back to reality and you have to put those kids back in school? What do we do? What do we not do as parents? That’s the question that Tina asked today. How much should we help? How do we agree on how we’re going to help them after we’ve taken a two year hiatus? Hi, I’m Doug Triponi.
Andrea: And I’m Andrea.
Doug: We are so, so glad that you joined us today. And we just want to let you know if this is your first time, this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or a child, please go seek a local professional for help. Well, Tina’s question today is about traveling abroad for two years. Doesn’t that sound great, Andrea?
Andrea: Yeah.
Doug: I would have loved to do that. Well, not two years. That would have been too long, and then thinking about all the little animals. Okay, so Dr. Leman, we’re going to jump right into this one. Here is Tina’s question.
Tina: Hello Dr. Leman. My name is Tina [Leehome] and I have been reading your books and listening to your podcasts for years now. I first got your book, Making Children Mind Without Losing Yours, like over 12 years ago at a book club and I didn’t even have kids yet. And I remember that just changed my whole life to read that book. I have a question about homework. I have kids that are now 12, 10, 8 and almost 5, and we did a two year traveling trip. We took two years off and we traveled six months in the United States and then we traveled a year and a half in Europe in an RV. And we started to do school at first, but then we felt that it was taking away from the journey of the trip. So we stopped doing school.
Tina: And now we have started the kids in school in a public school, but it’s a small town community and I’m having a really hard time. My husband and I aren’t agreeing on how we should be helping them in school. And I know your official stand on homework is letting them do it and coming to us, but I feel like right now that we need to be partially their teacher because they didn’t get this and they’re having a lot of catch-up. I just would love some clarity on how to help our kids catch up and-
Doug: And get their homework done. So.
Dr. Leman: Wow. Okay. Wow. Well at first when I heard this, I have to tell you, I pictured the early ’70s, a Volkswagen van with painted flowers on the side of it that said flower power. But having a listen to Tina, I guess that wasn’t the case and it was a challenge, but you referred back to the book Making Children Mind Without Losing Yours, which by the way has sold over a million copies for a reason. If you have troubles with your kids, there’s a great book to pick up, Making Children Mind Without Losing Yours. But one of the big things in that book, Tina, is take time for training. And here’s what you guys have done, and I’m sure you thought about this before you took this two year hiatus from life, so to speak, especially school life, but you’ve broken training. That’s one of the things you’re experiencing now about trying to get the kids back into school.
Dr. Leman: Kids develop self confidence and a psychological security from the mundane, from the predictable, going to school every day, doing homework every day, having a bedroom to call your own. All those mundane things help kids grow up in a secure manner. Now as adventurous as six months traveling here and then six months in Europe sounds, and that’s an education, I’ll give you that, we’ve taken away from the formal teaching. So now when you come back, and I understand well that you’ve read my book well and understand that I really think parents should stay out of homework, but this isn’t a case of staying out of homework. This is a case of giving your kids tutorial help in the home. And yes, both of you can do that, husband and wife can do that, or if you’ve got the bucks to hire somebody else to do it for you, so be it, but it really isn’t a matter of just homework. It’s a matter of tutoring.
Dr. Leman: The catch up was used a few moments ago and your kids in all probability have some catching up to do. I would say especially your eight year old, if I had to pick one child, because they missed some really interesting building blocks along the educational highway of life. So it’s really important that you and husband get to a point where you agree. I wouldn’t split hairs on homework. I would just take it on as this is tutoring, catching up tutoring that we have to do to get our kids up to grade level. Now since you’re in a public school, the kids are tested and it would really behoove you to know exactly where your kids are grade level wise. In public schools for the most part, it’s not hard to catch up because we’ve dumbed a lot of things down quite frankly. Now I know that’s a wide brush and I’m going to get some nasty emails on that, but across the board in general, we’ve dumbed things down in public schools.
Dr. Leman: So find out from the teaching staff where your kids are so you know how much of a gap there is to make up. Now, you might be surprised that one of these kids, or maybe two of them are on grade level right now. Who knows? But wherever they are, they’re going to have to catch up to the routine, if nothing else, of being disciplined to come home from school, do their homework. And again, we’ve talked about that on our podcast. Every family is different, every kid’s different, but most kids that I talk to and I talk with a lot of kids, they want to get that homework done right away. In fact, a lot of them told me they do it in the car on the way home or on the bus on the way home because they want their free time to be their free time.
Dr. Leman: So for starters, again, I don’t think you look at this as homework. I think you look at this as tutorial help to do some catching up. Plus the assessment on the school’s part and your interpretation of that is very important as to how you move forward. But again, husband or wife, whatever the differences are, Tina, you guys got to be on the same page or the kids are going to pick up that dissension and they’re going to use that to their advantage, which is actually going to end up to their disadvantage.
Andrea: I was going to ask you, Dr. Leman, how would you advise Tina to get on the same page with her husband?
Dr. Leman: Well number one, she has to be honest with her feelings toward her husband’s attitude toward this. Men are like kids. I’ve said that so many times. Kids don’t like it when they know that mom or dad is upset. Right? Well guess what? Husbands don’t like it when they know their wives are upset. So you start at that emotional level to get that man on board when he sees how important this is to you. So simple words, “Honey, I’m very upset. I feel a distance between you that I don’t like.” Men don’t like to hear distance between themselves and their wife because they interpret that in a very physical, emotional way. So now you got his attention. Tell him why you’re upset. Tell him what doesn’t sound right about this. And yes, you can precede it with, “Honey, I could be wrong on this, but,” you can soften it, but you still have to tell them as straight out as you can. You know your husband better than anybody else, so you know how to approach him. You know what works, you know what doesn’t work. So proceed with caution.
Doug: Also, at other times you’ve said even if your kids maybe aren’t doing super great in school, but they’re a reader, you don’t have to worry about them. So she has a 12 year old. Does that apply to a 12 year old?
Dr. Leman: If that 12 year old is a voracious reader, I wouldn’t bat an eye at what’s happened. That kid will fall in line sooner or later. If they’re a voracious reader, they’re going to do very well in school. That’s the building block. Show me a voracious reader who likes math and I’ll show you a successful person throughout life.
Doug: Yeah. I think about our oldest, was an okay student. I wouldn’t have called him great, but loved to read. And now he’s super excelling on his own. He learned how to work and he loves to read, but school was not his top 10 forte. What about-
Dr. Leman: Well see, but it wouldn’t surprise me someday if James went and tackled a PhD.
Doug: I agree.
Dr. Leman: For that very reason, that he’s a voracious reader.
Doug: Right, yeah. And he likes to learn. I mean far more than anything else, he wants to learn on his own, which has been huge, and nobody has to motivate him to do it. Okay. Before we finish, I want to make sure that I get in and let you know about the e-book promotion. So the e-book promotion offer is What a Difference a Mom Makes. You can get it now to the end of February of 2020 for $2 and 99 cents. So Andrea, do you want to make a difference in your kid’s life?
Andrea: Absolutely.
Doug: And what the thing about, I should have … Dr. Leman, what will a mom get out of reading this book if she does?
Dr. Leman: Well, first of all, mom, I wrote the book, so I’m biased as can be. Go on Amazon and put the title out there. And just read the reviews. Moms are shocked to read, I think, the tremendous indelible imprint that they put on their son’s life. So when they read that book, they’re going to have, I think, a renewed energy of how they can help chart the waters for their young son to be the man that God would have him be, that you’d be proud to have as your son. But you’re a key element. I always said it’s like making a cake and you’ve got to have all those major ingredients in the cake or the cake falls flat. Well, every young man needs a good dose of femininity. He doesn’t get that from his dad, ladies, he gets it from you.
Doug: Yeah, and I would highly encourage you to go look at Amazon and read what they have to say as well. So, you can get it now, What a Difference a Mom Makes, between now and the end of February for $2 and 99 cents. So Dr. Leman, you used the word tutoring versus actually doing the work. For this mom, for Tina, how would tutoring look for her? Or are you saying hire a tutor to help their kids? Which one is it?
Dr. Leman: It’s not homework. It’s, number one, remember I said about the assessment? You have the assessment. And let’s say you find out that eight year old is a grade and a half behind. So you go to school and say, “You guys are the educational professionals here. My kid is a year and a half shy of where they need to be. What do I have to present to my son or my daughter to help them bridge that gap? How do we catch up?” They’ll give you the resources. They’re right there at the school. They’re at the public school. Here are the books. Here’s the gap. And so it’s not sitting down and doing homework with the kid every night. It’s tutorial. It’s getting a kid from A to B to C to D. So you’re strengthening their reserve power so they get to catch up.
Dr. Leman: Talk to any professional. When a kid gets too far behind, it’s really difficult for kids to catch up. So if it’s just a grade or a half grade, that’s very, very doable. So I think that’s great. I think that can happen. The school will help you. They always tell us they’re here to work together with parents and partner with parents. This is a great opportunity for them to partner with you. On top of that, you might have teachers at the school who have, we call them scholar hours at our school at Leman Academy, where a teacher makes themselves available for kids that need extra help and that also should be part of the program. The kids have to understand that that two year hiatus probably took a toll and it’s really important that we make that up.
Doug: Do you think the mom ever needs to, Tina needs to ever sit down with her kids and talk to them and say, “Hey, how are you feeling at school? Do you feel awkward? Are there any emotional barriers to having to get back into the routine that we need to talk about,” or not?
Dr. Leman: Sure because two years … Let’s take a five year old for example, three to five. What percentage of that kid’s life has been in school?
Doug: Zero.
Andrea: They’re probably just starting out now.
Dr. Leman: Yeah. Now jump up to the eight year old and take two years out of that, and depending upon that kid did preschool or not, give the percentage of time that kid has missed school. It’s huge. That’s why when you saw those ages there, I said the one that’s most probably going to suffer here is the eight year old, would be my guess.
Doug: Well I know that you have been for years suggesting tutoring and getting outside help and we’re finally helping our kids with tutoring, and we should have done it years ago. It’s so helpful for our kids and I’ve become a big proponent now of it. So you are actually right on something, Dr. Leman. I know usually you’re not, but this time you’re actually right. And so I would encourage you. Tina, so get on the same page with your husband. Talk to him at an emotional level so he can hear it. Go to the school, which is brilliant. I mean, it’s so simple, right? Go to the school and say, “What do we need do to help this kid get there,” as well. And if need be, get tutoring that you need for it.
Doug: So, great question, Tina. Thanks for asking it. As always, you guys can go to birthorderguide.com and slash podcast question and leave a question there. And we would love, love, love, love to answer your questions. So we hope this helps you add to that parenting toolbox so that you can love those kids more and more. We look forward to the next time we’re with you.
Andrea: Have a good week.
Doug: Take care. Bye, bye.
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From representing womanhood to leaving unique indelible imprints, a mother’s role in parenting her son is vital. Learn more about Dr. Leman’s insight into the relationship between mother and son in today’s episode.
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Doug: If you were to ask me, I would say the only reason I am where I am today is because of my mom and what she poured into me. Moms make an incredible impact in their sons’ lives. But how? In what ways? Good, bad, indifferent. That’s what we get to ask dr Leman today. Hi, I’m
Doug Terpening.
Andrea: And I’m Andrea.
Doug: And we are so really, really, really glad that you’re with us today. If this happens to be your first time, I want to let you know that this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raise any concerns for you or child, please go seek a local professional for help. Well, during my crazy college days that were not good. They were really bad. I kept going down, down, down, down. It was my mom and her unbelievable, unique, mother-only way that helped pull me back into healthy, good spots because of what she had poured into me when I was a younger kid. So Dr. Leman, the question today is, I’m a mom and I’m wondering, “Well, it’s a boy. I’m a mom. What impact do I really have in his life? What do I need to know? What do I not need to know? Shouldn’t his dad do that?” Help us. What does a mother need to know to impact her boys?
Dr. Leman: Well, it’s such a good topic and a profound one. And I’m so glad that you used the term, “Poured into me.” I want everybody to envision making a cake, okay? Even you men who are listening, okay. Think about making a cake. And what every mom needs to understand is that she has a tremendous impact. I call it the indelible imprint on her son’s life, and so think of making that cake and use the term that Mr. Terpening just used, and that is pour into. And what every young man needs is to have a mom who will pour a great deal of, are you ready for the word? Femininity into that young man’s life.
Dr. Leman: Now, those of you who are veterans of our podcast have heard Doug very bravely and openly say, “I wasn’t exactly the greatest person in the world. I was very authoritarian.” And he’s done a lot of changing, but I think Doug would be the first one, and Andrea would be the person to second the motion, that if you scrape away some of that exterior that Doug Terpening had in his life, even back to those wilder college years, if you scrape away and really look at your heart, that’s Doug’s heart, you would find a softness that Andrea Terpening appreciates today. And their kids, both male and female, have profitted from the tenderness and the softness that appears in Doug Terpening’s life. Yes, it took him a while to get there, but the point is that moms pour into their sons all kinds of things, and I don’t think they’re always even conscious of what they pour into those young men, but the point is that women, you make a huge difference in your son’s life, and a husband’s. Dads, you make a huge difference in your daughter’s life.
Andrea: So you say the first thing that a mom pours into their sons is femininity.
Dr. Leman: Yeah, he needs a good dose of femininity. He gets masculinity, okay? He’s born with such things as testosterone, but you get my drift. You get my point that women have to realize, “Well, I’m just his mom.” What do you mean just his mom? You’re it. You represent all of womanhood to this young man. You set the basic foundation in that young man that he’s going to end up respecting women. So how huge is that today in a woman’s mind that she feels respected by the men in her life? So you’re really laying the cement, the foundation ladies, is what I’m saying.
Doug: Are there some specific things that a mom should be consciously pouring into her son? Such as … I can’t think of anything. What are some things? Ability to listen?
Dr. Leman: Well, kindness, thoughtfulness, gentleness. Boys, if you ever watch kids play, just watch, name an age. I don’t care if they’re three or eight or thirteen, watch them play. Do they play differently than girls?
Doug: Yes, definitely.
Dr. Leman: Yeah. Very much so. And so you don’t have to teach your boy to be rough and tumble, or in most cases to be competitive. Now I can hear people say, “I have the most non competitive son.” Hey listen, there’s always exceptions to anything we talk about here on the podcast. We’re using a wide brush here to describe the differences in young men and young women. There are many, many differences. I think one of the things that women, I look up my life, my mom had a calmness about her. Now, you talk about wild, I got thrown out of cub scouts. I got sent home from fourth grade. I got suspended from high school. I got thrown out of college. I mean I got thrown out of … I got thrown out of adult Bible study. That was just within the past two years.
Dr. Leman: So I’ve been there, but my mother, I’ll never forget. I’m 19 years old, okay? I’m a janitor. I’m making $195 a month and I come home and I announce at the dinner table, “I’m engaged, I’m engaged.” You know what my mother said? She said, “Oh, that’s nice honey. Pass the potatoes, would you? That’s nice honey,” is what she said. I went and put a $20 bill down on a $200 diamond. If I would have ever married that chick, it would have been disastrous. If my mother would have gone into a tizzy and reminded me that I was a janitor making $195 a month. And, “How could you even think of such a stupid thing?” Maybe my rebellious nature would have pushed me into a premature marriage with that woman, which I’m telling you would be disastrous.
Dr. Leman: But she had that ability just to understand. She was the one that went to all those meetings at school with my teachers. The teachers all told her the same thing, that I was a little screwball and someday if I ever applied myself, I might be able to do something with my life. She tucked all that information, but she was not someone who overreacted. And there’s a lot of reactionary people in this world, but my mom had a calmness about her, a perspective. She was a good teacher and she loved her baby son. Trust me. I mean, you’ve heard me tell the story, I would say things about what I did in my life and my mom would come back and say, “Oh, you were such a good boy.” Yeah right. But that’s a mother’s love for her son. So there’s so many things that a mom gives to a son. Gives her, and again, the son is watching how mom treats dad, and maybe more importantly, how dad treats mom. So it’s a daily thing.
Doug: So Dr. Leman, one of the things you’ve said that when you said it, I didn’t believe it, but now that I’ve watched it play out in the Terpening household, I do know it’s true. You say that the most important relationship in a child’s life is boy to mom, or son to mom, and girl to dad. Why is boy to mom or son to mom the most important relationship?
Dr. Leman: It’s almost hard to answer that question other than to say it’s the way it is. It’s like asking the question, “Why is a rock hard?” It’s just if …Talk to any family. And today we’re a two car family for most of us in America, and lots of times we go different directions. We meet someplace for a quick dinner. I mean, it’s a hectic, hectic lifestyle we live in. But here’s my question. You have a boy and a girl and you’re in that situation. Who rides home with dad? Who rides home with mom? Why when the NFL player has just made a great play, why does he look in the camera and say, “Hi, mom.” Why doesn’t he say, “Hi dad?” I mean, it’s almost like it’s in the DNA. What did Jesus say on the cross? He said, “Hey, take care of your mother.” I mean, I’m just telling you it’s the way it is. You don’t need a mathematical theorem here to figure this out.
Andrea: Are there some practical things that us moms should know, other than yes, we pour femininity, gentleness, kindness, these things into our sons? Are there some practical steps or things that we should know as we mother our sons?
Dr. Leman: Yeah. Absolutely. Number one, it’s going to sound like it’s the opposite of what I’m telling you is don’t put a skirt on him. He’s not your daughter, he’s your son. So what do boys do that girls usually don’t do? Do boys spit. We could take a little mini quiz right now. Again, are all boys the same or all girls the same? No. Are there girls that spit? There are. I think as a woman, you have to understand this is a little boy. It’s what little boys do. I mean, little boys are immature next to your daughter. You got a 12 year old daughter and a 12 year old son, or if you want to be different, 13 and 12 okay? They’re not twins. But how different inherently is that young woman from that young man?
Dr. Leman: And so I think for a woman, she has to keep in mind, “Hey, this is a guy, this is a boy. This is part of what a boy does.” He’s showing his bravado. And yes, we make fools of ourselves. Think of what the girls said to us, Doug, in seventh and eighth grade. They said, “Why don’t you grow up?” And we would say with our squeaky voices, “We’re trying to.” So I don’t think this is a topic where you say, “Okay, give me three things that you do as a mom.” It’s not three, it’s 300. It’s 3000. It’s an ongoing process where you, as a young mom, get to appreciate the specialness of this young man in your life.
Doug: Great. Well, when we come back, Andrea, I’m going to ask you how you think about you as a mom to your boys. Like how you think about that relationship. Like do you really have full access to your boys or is it really sort of dad’s job to do things? But I’m going to forget this, so I’m going to do it now. And I want to talk about the ebook special that right now is on, and it is about moms. So What A Difference A Mom Makes for $2.99 from February 1st to February 29th of 2020. What A Difference A Mom Makes for 299, and I thought that the latest … We just flipped on to Amazon. I thought, “I wonder what anybody really says about these books.” And the very first one that just came out, I thought it was really great.
Andrea: This was from November. Jennifer wrote, she gave it a five star review on Amazon and it says, “I needed a refreshing as a mom. My teen son and his younger brother really wear me down. I know I need to change. Fresh perspective. This was just that. What it means to be mama bear to my boys, what they need and what matters most for them and for me. I feel like I have a new plan, a better way to begin again. I love his candor as he writes and shares testimonies, the clear and gentle truth. What we do matters, press on.”
Doug: So what I love about Dr. Leman’s books, and I say it all the time, is exactly what Jennifer just said. He gives you a plan and he makes it clear, candor, and funny. So like if you want, if you’re a mama and you’re wondering like, “How do I engage my son?” And you want to have clarity with a plan, get What A Difference A Mom Makes for $2.99 February 1 through 29. Super easy to read and you’ll enjoy it a ton. Okay, Andrea, so back to you.
Andrea: Yes.
Doug: Do you think you have full access to your sons in all areas to pour into them or talk to them or engage them? Or do you think dad’s supposed to do it?
Andrea: I think that naturally, and before I’d heard any of this from Dr. Leman, I felt like there were a lot of areas that were your territory and that I could be the soft one. I could come and sit down on the couch next to them and snuggle up and maybe ask them how they were doing. But I didn’t realize that there were some areas it was important for me to actually speak into their lives. I kind of felt like once they became teenagers that maybe it was kind of, they were more on the man’s side and I maybe was less important in their lives and I was, mom, make dinner, help them with their school, take care of some of the details in their lives, but not the, like you said, access into their lives. Probably not knowing how, and I still don’t really feel like I know how to delve into their heart.
Doug: Dr. Leman, what would you say to the moms that feel like Andrea described?
Dr. Leman: Well, I would just add to that that a mom is so smart to go to her son and say, “Honey, I need your help with something.” Let that boy learn to help the key female figure in his life, namely his mom. It’s interesting, thinking back on our youngest daughter, Lauren, who today is writing screenplays and she’s writing for television and she’s a toy designer. She’s only 27 years old. She’s got three things she’s made that are in the Disney Worlds in Japan and Florida and in California. So I’m just saying this is a pretty high-functioning kid. But when she was little, my wife would always draw little drawings on her lunch bag. Just drawn with a thick magic marker. Different colors, different days.
Dr. Leman: And when she was about 12, I think Mrs. Uppington decided, “Well, she’s probably a little too old to have drawings on her lunch.” And so they stopped. It was like a few days later when Lauren came to mama bear and said, “Mom, how come you don’t put little drawings on my lunch bags anymore?” And what happened was, yeah, Lauren stopped getting them. But her friends, her friends who loved mama bear’s drawings said, “Lauren, how come you don’t have drawings anymore?” And Lauren, I’m telling you, she was getting drawings on our lunch bags, I think through high school.
Dr. Leman: And so I think what we failed to understand is the little things we do every day, that’s why I say there’s not just three things a mom does. It’s a continuing journey as you learn more about yourself as a mom and how much you need your kids in your life. And how much your kids need you in their life in little ways and big ways. But the things that you talked about, snuggling up, and talking to, and tucking in. And those are things that women are so naturally good at. Men by their nature are not great cuddlers, we’re not great communicators. We’re sort of arm’s length.
Dr. Leman: But when we enter our daughter’s life, wow. And men have to understand that their words are taken very seriously by their daughters, because most daughters want to please their daddies. Most sons want to please their mommies. Back to what I suggested earlier about helping, having your sons help you, Andrea, let him help you, because he actually wants to please you. And that’s one of the ways, ask any man what he gets psychological jollies from in his family, and he’ll tell you providership. There’s a very healthy thing in a man’s life when he provides for his family. Watch what happens to a man when his wife is still gainfully employed and he loses his job. He loses a sense of value of who he is because we identify so much in the world of work, where women as competent or more competent than their male counterpart, they don’t get their main identification from their work. They get it from the relationships they have.
Doug: To that point, Thanksgiving was a couple of months ago here, but at the time of this release, but Andrea, our son went and said, “Hey, I want to try and make a pecan pie.” And Andrea stepped back and just supported him in making that pie, because he was helping out with making all the desserts for Thanksgiving. He volunteered it. And Andrea did an amazing job of like supporting him. He screwed up on it and she just, she didn’t jump in and change it. She just said, “Oh, what about if we try this?” And you should have seen him like puff his chest out when that pecan pie came out and everybody ate it.
Andrea: It was really good too.
Doug: Yeah, but to your point about … But your point about he was trying to please mom and you’re right. They soak up, my two boys soak up when mother is positive and they shrink when she is critical of them.
Dr. Leman: Exactly. So the message is let them please you. But there’s certain things where, lifting something for example, and you’ve got a teenage son, “Honey, would you mind taking that? It’s too heavy for me.” I mean let him show his brawn, his bravado off to you. There’s something inside that young male that wants to show off that, “Hey, I’m becoming bigger and stronger.” And the message, of course, is I can help. And one of the things we preach on this podcast is let kids give back to the family. So mom, you’re not a minor person here, you’re your major in families. The whole family literally centers around you.
Andrea: So Dr. Leman, I do have one question. What is a mother’s role in talking to her sons about pornography? I know you’ve mentioned this on other shows, and I’m just curious what you would say here in the context of this episode.
Dr. Leman: Well, first of all, I mean, if you’re a mom who’s just discovered that your son has been watching pornography, the first thing out of your mouth has to be something to the effect of, “I’m very disappointed in what’s happened here.” Okay? So you put the downer face on that as soon as you possibly can. And then you have to say is you’re disappointed that you’re disappointed for several reasons. “One of the reasons is that it’s so demeaning to women and it takes you down a track of life that’s not productive and it’s very addictive behavior. And so as a woman, I’m not talking as a mom here, I’m talking as a woman, I’m offended that someone your age, with your bright future, could in fact look at this stuff. I got to tell you the truth, I’m glad you’re attracted to the opposite sex. That’s healthy and good. Less problems for you down life’s way with you being attracted to women.”
Dr. Leman: “But again, you have to see the demeaning nature of this. You have to see how women are used in this industry of pornography. And are used by who? By men. It’s a very demeaning thing. And again, I want to go back to the fact that once you watch this stuff, what you saw is embedded in your brain now forever. You’re not going to get rid of that. When you’re 50 years old, you’re going to be able to see that image that you saw in that pornography in your brain. It’s not going to leave you. That’s why it’s devastating to a young person to get hooked on pornography, because it stays with you. It’s not something that you can just turn off. It’ll pop into your mind at the most inappropriate times.”
Dr. Leman: “So as a mom who loves you and cares about everything about you, I’m blown away. Am I surprised? Yes, but if you push me on that, no, because I know it’s so prevalent in our society and it’s so readily available for any eyes to see it. But again, I’d really like to partner with you in seeing if we can get beyond this. This is not an easy thing to shake. And you may want to have to talk to somebody else other than your mom. This might be very uncomfortable for us even to have this conversation. If that’s what it takes, I’ll be willing to pay for a couple of sessions for you to go and talk to somebody about this, because this can be devastating to your future and you have to understand that.”
Dr. Leman: “Now, can I do it for you? Can your dad do it for you? No, this is something you have to do for yourself. And quite frankly, it’s not just an emotional problem. I think it’s a spiritual problem, and I think it’s one that you need to correct between your maker and yourself.” But all that does there is it gets the conversation going. Now that son might get mad, he might shut down, he might come around a week later. And if he does, so be it. We’ll continue to have that uncomfortable conversation, but I think you have to draw some lines in your own mind and you have to put the stamp of disapproval on it for sure. But it has to be laced with compassion and understanding of how that can happen.
Andrea: Great. Thank you, Dr. Leman. I think that that’s really important for us moms to know that our boys hearing from us on this topic will make a difference.
Doug: Well, I just think of my mom would have come in and talked to me about this. Holy smokers, I would have listened. That would have been like … I mean, way more powerful than dad actually. Like dad, I would be afraid of, but mom would be like, oh man, that brings it home.
Dr. Leman: Well, Doug and Andrea, how many parents sit down and talk to their sons about nocturnal emissions, better known as wet dreams? Every kid has one. There’s not many an adult man who can’t tell you what that first nocturnal emission was all about, but it’s something that we don’t talk about. It’s the elephant sitting on the couch in the living room. We don’t talk to our kids. Again, I wrote a book called A Chicken’s Guide To Talking Turkey To Your Kids About Sex. It’s a wonderful book. I co-wrote it with a woman that lives here in Tucson who does seminars on teaching kids about sex from a Christian perspective all around the world. It’s a great book. It’s a great title. It’s my lowest selling title that I’m aware of. Why? Because no parent gets up and says, “You know what I want to do today? I want to talk to my kids about sex.” So parents, you can’t stick your head in the sand. You got to talk turkey to your kids.
Doug: Well, thank you, Dr. Leman for helping us. And for all those moms that are listening to this, we hope this helps you say this is how you can impact your sons. And I just want to remind everybody between now and February 29th of 2020 you can get What A Difference A Mom Makes for $2.99. Go and get it. And the reason we’re doing this is because we really do want you to enjoy your kids, love your kids more and more, have more tools so that you can just be a better parent for your kids’ sake. So we love being with you. We look forward to the next time we get to be with you.
Andrea: Have a great week.
Doug: Take care. Bye-bye.
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Doug: The child just can’t sit still. They’re bouncing around the room, they’re not focused on the math the way they need to and the school says therefore we need to do ADH testing on the child. Is that a good thing? Will it help my child? Does she have ADHD or is this just the phase she’s going through? That’s the question that Pam asked Dr Kevin Leman and we get to hear his answer. Hi, I’m Doug Terpening.
Andrea: And I am Andrea.
Doug: And I’m super duper happy that you are here with us today. I mean like honestly, I’m so happy for you to be able to grow in your parenting. No falsity like, but oh, okay. I’ll jump into the topic. If this is your first time, welcome. We want to let you know this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or child, please go seek a local professional for help. So now that I’m so wound up, I’m just going to keep going and you guys, Andrea and Mr Leman, you can just stop me. Our kids are doing so well now that they’ve left the house and we’ve just had an incredible last two weeks of interaction with our grown children. And I just want to say Dr Leman, thank you a bazillion for helping us change our parenting because we were headed to rebellion and now we’re not.
Doug: So everybody out there, if you don’t know why we do this, it’s because it’s changed our lives and it can change yours as well. So thank you. Okay, into today’s question. Here is Pam’s question for Dr Leman about ADHD.
Pam: Hi Dr Lehman, my name is Pam and I had a question about ADHD and specifically what to do with a kid whose school is starting to push for testing. My sister actually called me today and this has been an ongoing conversation discussion, but the teacher, her daughter’s class just sidelined them today and wants the testing done. And this little girl is eight years old, she doesn’t have her times tables memorized, she loves books, but she doesn’t like reading on her own all that well yet she’s not the best speller. Basically, she is exactly how I was when I was that age. I was diagnosed in the fourth grade with ADD and I never was put on medication, which I’m thankful for, but I also know how stressed out everyone was around me and how big of a frustration I was to them. My sister on the other hand, thrives in academically competitive environments.
Pam: I’m a children’s book illustrator, my sister is a biochemist. She does not know what to do with this little girl who is wired just exactly like I am and it seems like the school doesn’t either. I feel like longterm perspective there is nothing to worry about but everyone else is panicking so I’m wondering if you can offer any advice.
Dr. Leman: Wow. Well, thank you for the well thought out question, ma’am. As soon as you mention testing to a parent, most parents ears go up and back at the same time. Most parents have a negative preset about testing children. Not for vision, not for hearing, but if you get into the emotional side of things, there’s a negative preset there. That being said, I would have to in full disclosure tell you that I basically way on the side of non-medication for young children, but here comes the however. I’ve been around a long time, I’ve seen a lot of kids who quite frankly need medication for them to be able to focus, give focused attention to schoolwork. You mentioned that you thought that school systems don’t take a look at the big picture, the long term effect of medication and I believe that’s true. And the jury’s out on just what are the long term repercussions to medicating children. I can relate one medical story, one conversation I had with my own physician and he was a great physician.
Dr. Leman: Steve is my persiguen and I had my knee done by him and he’s a great human being, a great physician. We were talking about the medication that I was going to take after the surgery and I’ll never forget what he said to me. I said, well, I’m really not that gung ho on taking those meds, I think I’d rather just tough it out. And he said, well, Kevin tell you the truth all those drugs do is scramble your brains anyway. And it’s true so again, I have a negative set in my mind of medication, especially for young children. But again, the however has to be spoken, there are kids who need medication. And ADD is a medical problem, ADD should be diagnosed not by a school teacher, but by a physician who’s trained in obviously medicine, but also behavioral medicine. There are a lot of pediatricians these days who have gone off into that specialty area. So I think you have to be careful about it and yet I think you have to be street-smart here.
Dr. Leman: If you look at the child’s track record in school in the third grade and they’re not reading well and they don’t spell well, and what’s going to change that? How long do you wait before you intercede and bring in some extra help? Well the extra help might be there, but if the kids is unable to focus, we’re in trouble. So as silly as this sounds to some, you can medicate a child for a period of time and see what kind of behavioral change there is in a child and see if the school work improves very measurably. If it did and if it were my son or daughter as anti-medication as I am, I think I would choose to medicate, but I wouldn’t medicate them all year around. I would use a smaller dosage as I possibly could. I would consult with a physician that could certainly understand my inced about medicating a child.
Dr. Leman: This isn’t one where it’s easy to use the broad brush so to speak and say do this or do that. It really is an individual situation where you have to sit down with your physician and make an informed decision about what’s best for your child. Let me say this, are there too many kids medicated today? Yes, in my opinion, way too many. So again, a lot of kids who are boisterous, who are active can get falsely labeled ADD and we drug the little suckers. Again, I think when you put drugs in a kid’s body, you need to put a lot of forethought, a lot of discussion, get some people’s opinion to make a good informed decision for your child. That’s what I’m saying, so.
Andrea: Dr Leman, what are the problems with those medications?
Dr. Leman: Well, again, I don’t want to speak as a physician here because I’m not, but, and by the way, I’ve never diagnosed a kid ADD. Are there kids that I looked at and said, I think that kid’s ADD? Yeah, plenty of them. But I always referred those parents to a medical doctor who actually wrote a book on ADD as well. He’s very well known who made the diagnosis for kids and parents who saw me. But there’s some indication that it can stunt the growth in children, for example. And again, they used to just use Ritalin years ago, there’s other medications physicians use now. Life is a lot more complex and they’re learning more about ADD and ADHD. And again, kids have all kinds of deficits, processing deficits, got kids who are dyslexic and we’re an over medicated society and I’m just saying we should use strain in medicating children.
Dr. Leman: I think getting a kid who’s not doing well in school early, a tutor is an excellent idea. Couple hours a day, maybe even just an hour a day, maybe it’s a teenager down the street, a family friend, preferably not mom or dad, that usually doesn’t work real great. But get the kid some help. I mean if your kid’s a reader and there are parents who have kids who are ADD who are voracious readers, that’s a tremendous plus. If your kid’s a voracious reader, half of your kid’s education problems are over right there, because that kid will do well in school because his or her veracious attitude toward reading.
Andrea: So Pam said that she was, the lady asking the question, that she was diagnosed ADD in fourth-grade herself, but she was never medicated. Could it be that this little girl just needs more time to physically have an outlet or be creative and that she’s just not ready for that focus of school.
Dr. Leman: Sure. I mean every kid is different. I mean, I have often wondered out loud how many labels they would have put on me as a kid because I was a handful. And again, many people outgrow ADD, they physically just outgrow it. And yet there’s adults who have ADD. There’s cases where out of the blue seemingly an adult became ADD. So people are complicated, life’s complicated, the human body is complicated and when you get into medication you just have to know you’re altering some things that are, you just want to make an informed good choice for your son or your daughter. And that’s not an easy choice for a lot of people to make because they come to that situation just as I do with a preconceived idea about what medication could do or can’t do.
Doug: Well, when we come back from the break I want to ask you how do we talk to our school? But at the break, which here we are, I want to talk about the ebook promotion. You get this right now and that is, When Your Best Isn’t Good Enough. You can get it between now and January 31 of 2020 for $1.99. So Dr Leman, if I read this book, what will I get out of it? What benefit will it do me?
Dr. Leman: Well, I think you’ll get an eye opening experience if you read this book, if you’re one of those people that live in piles, you tend to be a procrastinator, you’re a great starter, but not a great finisher. If any of that rings true in your life, get this book and you will see that you are the culprit that defeat yourself. And it probably is a direct result of you growing up in a home where one of your parents were critical of you. Like I say eye opener, it’s, I’m telling you, this is a book that people write back and say, wow, that was a life changer for me. I never realized that I secretly had a plan to defeat myself. And so that’s pretty eye opening statement. So if you’re one of those people that struggle and you know you’re a lot more competent than you show, this is a book for you.
Doug: One of the things I’ve heard you say in the past is if you’re thinking about going to a counselor to help your or a psychologist to help you out, you would highly recommend that you start with this book and for a buck 99 you might be able to diagnose yourself and help your self get over some things. So if you’re thinking, man, I’m kind of stuck, I want to get up moving forward, When Your Best Isn’t Good Enough, January now to the 31st for $1.99. So Dr Leman, you run multiple schools now and when the school calls up and says, “Hey, we want to do testing for ADD.” It’s going to take some parents a lot of guts to say, “No, we want to take our child to our own medical doctor first.” How do they, can you help that parent who’s afraid to have that conversation? What should they say to the school?
Dr. Leman: Well, I think a parent has absolutely the right to take their kid to their primary physician, the pediatrician to a specialist, whatever. If a school’s making a recommendation, it’s a recommendation based upon facts. Okay. It should be a recommendation that’s not only from the teacher, but one of the other allied professionals within the school and say, “Hey, we think there’s a problem here and we believe that testing is appropriate.” And again, that in my mind is completely up to the parent. Parents who have been left out of the conversation too many times, parents are the conversation. They’re the ones responsible for their children. So if a parent wants to take their kid to their own physician, so be it. That’s great. The point is, is there a problem? Is there a processing problem? Is there an ADD problem? Because if you can get that problem moving in the right direction, chances are that kid is going to be able to learn better and that’s what we’re trying to put into effect. Giving that kid the best possible chance for success.
Andrea: Another question that Pam asked was, once she is tested and if she was labeled ADHD, is that okay? Is there something that goes with that label that’s going to travel with them through the years?
Dr. Leman: Kids unfortunately have more labels than they need. We have kids who have all kinds of individual educational programs and every school has them. Why there’s so many these days, who knows? Might have something to do with, we’ve fed kids processed food from the time they were born. I have no idea, but we sure have a lot of kids who have special needs of one kind or another. And parents today, you hear it all the time, I don’t want my kid to be labeled. Well, how about a label like John or Susan? That’s a nice label, their name. I’m not a label person either, again, I was a guy that was written off by school personnel a reminder for some, if you’re new to our podcast, my guidance counselor told me with a straight face, he couldn’t get me in reform school, let alone college.
Dr. Leman: So my wife’s head nurse said, don’t associate with that janitor, he’ll never amount to anything. I laugh, but that time I didn’t. So a lot of us had been written off, a lot of us have had labels of one kind or another. I understand the parents don’t like labels and we do our best. I know at our schools, not to label kids, but we have a huge team of people that work with kids who are struggling in one area or another. We just try to do our best, work with the kids in the classroom and outside the classroom. And if home and school could work together, that’s always a one two punch that’s hard to defeat.
Doug: So to wrap this up and say it again. So what I hear you saying Dr Lehman is, absolutely you should get the child tested and it should be with a medical professional who is, that knows how to diagnose correctly ADHD. And that we should be working with the school, but it’s the parent’s responsibility to make sure they get, they’re testing the right way. And that maybe we are over quickly diagnosing or medicating students, but if that’s what’s necessary, do it cautiously and wisely. Did I say that right?
Dr. Leman: Yeah, we overmedicate at the adult level too. I mean that’s a huge problem in our country. Somebody gets a cold and they want antibiotics, that’s a whole another story. But we do overmedicate that’s for sure.
Andrea: I like that you add that, give the child the lowest dose possible and do a trial period and see if it’s actually making a difference. Don’t just slap them in there with the normal dose. And then don’t medicate them in the summer. I just think that just goes really well with your whole philosophy of not over-medicating.
Doug: Dr Leman I got to tell you something else real quick while we’re on the subject. You also said get a tutor and the Terpening household has been resisting getting a tutor for years and we finally did. And do you know the relief it has brought to this household is amazing and our kids are way less distracted in that subject than ever before. And I know we didn’t touch on it much, but I have become a, I know you’ve been telling us for years, get a tutor, get a tutor, get a tutor. We didn’t follow it, but that was gold. If my kid was labeled ADHD, I think I might start, that’s one of the first steps I would look into. So yeah.
Dr. Leman: Yeah, it gets a focus. I mean, a kid’s homework for example, can be the focus for the entire evening in a home, with tears and tantrums and yelling and screaming and the gnashing of teeth. It’s crazy. That’s why I say when you look at tutors, don’t look at yourself, mom and dad as tutor, find one.
Doug: Find one. We’ve now become-
Andrea: Somebody who knows the subject.
Doug: We are now fans of tutors, the Terpenings have finally listened to Dr Leman. We don’t like to listen to him very often, but every now and then we do.
Dr. Leman: My wife’s been my tutor all my life. She dresses me, tells me what I should do, what I shouldn’t do, what I should eat, what I shouldn’t eat. And I find Ghirardelli squares next to my body at night, wrappers and who’s been eating those? Not me. The woman who tells me how to eat right?
Andrea: I mean the chocolate wasn’t there just their wrapper.
Dr. Leman: That’s right. I’ve had chocolate on my back, many a night.
Doug: Dr Leman, it sounds like maybe we need to have a counseling session with you and Mrs Leman here, so we’ll work on that later.
Dr. Leman: Yes, I need one.
Doug: Yes. Well Pam, thank you for your question. We love them and you can go to birthorderguide.com/podcast question and leave us your question there. We love it. We love hearing what you need. And as always, we love adding to your parenting toolbox so you can love those kids more and more and more. And we look forward to the next time that we get to be with you.
Andrea: Have a great week.
Doug: And don’t forget to go get this book, When Your Best Isn’t Good Enough. Until the 31st of January 2020 for $1.99. Alrighty.
Andrea: All right.
Doug: I’m out.
Andrea: Bye. Bye.
Doug: Bye bye.
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From kid cartoons to everyone’s favorite movie trilogy, violence is abundant in today’s entertainment. How do you navigate that as a parent in today’s society? Listen in to hear Dr. Leman’s insight on today’s episode.
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Doug: So you’re worried about your kids because your husband keeps playing really violent video games and he loves to watch those really violent movies and you’ve begged him to stop and you don’t like it. Well, is it a big deal? Is it not a big deal? Are you overreacting? Are you under-reacting? That’s the question we get to ask Dr. Leman.
Doug: Hi, I’m Doug Turpenine.
Andrea: And I’m Andrea.
Doug: And we are very thankful that we are here today with you for your sake. So that you can just man, get that parenting and love them kiddos. But if it’s your first time, I want to let you know that this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or your child, please go seek a local professional for help.
Doug: Well, Dr. Leman, I have a confession to start off this podcast with. I grew up playing video games all my life. Like I love the video games. When I got married, Mrs. Turpenine picked them up, went outside with a flame thrower, and melted them all.
Andrea: I think the only video game we ever had in our house was the ping pong, you know? Boing, boing. Yeah.
Doug: You growing up?
Andrea: Yeah.
Doug: You growing up? In your home. Yeah.
Andrea: Right.
Doug: So now, later with kids, I didn’t get to play video games with my kids. And now I think I’m thankful for it, but I’m like this husband. Like I want to play video games a bunch, but I can’t anymore. But now we’ve got wives that are like, my husband does all these things. Is it a good thing, bad thing, overreacting, underreacting? Help us out.
Dr. Leman: Here’s the thing. Now I don’t want to come across like a prudish ogre, but we live in a very violent society. There was a study, it’s an older study, but I remember even in a cartoon, a kid’s cartoon, there was over a hundred acts of violence in a cartoon. It’s so pervasive. We don’t even notice it in our society, but a lot of things have gone way over the top in the video arena of life. I mean, everything from shoot the cop or whatever it’s called, you name it. I mean, there’s all kinds of things that, quite frankly just aren’t good for the young minds of kids.
Dr. Leman: The other thing is that violent movies, I mean a parent who watches violent movies in the presence of younger children, I have no appreciation for whatsoever. That is destructive with children. The brain that God gave us is really interesting because it can retain images for a lifetime. Violent images or how about sexual images? One of the reasons why pornography is so rampant and so destructive in our society is that what you see in that pornographic movie, whatever it is, it stays with you. It’s not like you can go wipe it out of your brain. It’s there. And so these receptors in our brains, they’re magnificent, but you have to use a mature attitude towards these things.
Dr. Leman: Now I know there’s people who love action movies and I think in general, men probably enjoy those more than women. And I have to do a disclaimer here. I’m a chick flick movie guy. I don’t like any form of violence. Now my wife is like Andrea Turpenine. She wouldn’t hurt a fly. Okay. She’s as sweet as they come. You should see the movies she likes to watch. I’m telling you, they’re terrible.
Dr. Leman: But I mean she loves shoot them up this and that, and her TV programs are always bumping off somebody. And she goes back to the back bedroom and props up the pillows and watches them. She knows I’m not going to watch. Okay. So I give you that certain people love things that have some violence in them. Okay. I’m not taking that right away from you. I’m saying if you’re going to do that, do it outside of the view of your children. Okay? It’s as simple as that. If a man watches these things and just like this person that asked the question, a wife’s concerned about it. Hey gentlemen, if your wife’s concerned about it, that ought to be reason for you to do a double take on what you’re doing. Okay. Because where I come from, you ought to to put your wife’s feelings first. That’s what makes a marriage a marriage.
Dr. Leman: And yes, ladies, some are thinking, “Well, should that lady put her husband?” Yes, they should. That’s the catchall. The catch 22. You have to service each other, but you have to come to an agreement that some things you do as a couple or individually are not inherently good for the family or for your children. So you have to safeguard. I always love to remind people the word ‘parent’ comes from the word, Latin word ‘parentis’ which means protector.
Dr. Leman: And you have to shield your kids from some things in life. There’s far too many things on TV that shouldn’t be on TV, and movies have gone way, way, way beyond. And kids are scared, they’re frightened. So use common sense here. So again, Doug, I told you this doesn’t have to be a long one in terms of a podcast. I think the message is clear. The kids should not see violent movies, cartoons, certainly acts from their parents. We see this all the time where parents get into physical hitting each other in the eyes of children and totally destructive for children. So I don’t give much room for doubt on this one. This is something. This is on you, parent. You’re the captain or co-captain of the good ship family. And that’s a call that you’re going to be held accountable for.
Doug: So one of the things you said that you just dropped in there is that husbands, if your wife has got a double-take, that should be a red flag. That you’re going to think about it and deal with it. But the reality is like, let’s be honest, not a whole lot of, maybe there’s more marriages than I think that we actually think that way. So what could a wife, in other words, I don’t think many men are stopping to say, “Oh, my wife is concerned about my video games and my movies. I should do something about that.” Right? How could a wife approach her husband in a way that he might be more receptive to be able to hear that concern from her?
Dr. Leman: I would tell a husband that when I see you going down this path it really turns me off. I’d use the term turns me off. And I would say not only emotionally, but spiritually, and certainly sexually. It doesn’t make me want to even be near you. It’s a real turnoff for me. Now again, you talk about, well most couples don’t do this or don’t do that. Well, most couples who get married today will be divorced in seven years too. So the paradigm of servant leadership in marriage went out the window years ago. And there are still people who do engage in servant leadership in marriage and the great majority of them are people of faith because I think they believe that that’s what God would have them do in marriage. So I don’t know.
Dr. Leman: I think violence is a huge issue. You know, you see all the ‘Be kind’ stickers on cars and on schools. You know, be kind, be kind. But the nature of people is not to be kind. The nature of a middle schooler is not to be kind and thoughtful of other people. I would ask everybody to just think about this. You’re driving today and you come to a red light or a stop sign. Why do you stop? Well it’s the law. I don’t want to get a ticket. I don’t want to get an accident. I get all those things. But how many people thought of, I stopped because I don’t want to hurt someone else? It’s our human nature just to think about ourselves, and I just think this whole area of violence is one that’s a worthy taking a stand for.
Dr. Leman: I wrote a book called Smart Women Know When to Say No. And one of the things I’m real clear on is, hey, if your husband lays a hand on you and he’s physically abusive, you get out of there. And that’s not an if or maybe or I’ll think about it. That’s a get out of there. And is it hard for women to get out of there? Yes it is, for a lot of different reasons., But I think this is one of those areas where there’s some hard lines for families and violence is to be avoided.
Doug: I want to pick up on what you encourage the wife to say to her husband, but before we do that, I want to make sure I get the ebook promotion in. And between now and January 31st of 2020, you can get the book When Your Best Isn’t Good Enough for $1.99. Dr. Leman, what is the book about and why would I get this one?
Dr. Leman: This book is for people who don’t measure up, who have that internal voice that says you could have done better. They struggle with perfectionism. They are great starters and not good finishers.
Dr. Leman: It’s a unique way of looking at the fact that you don’t need any enemies. The enemy is clearly within yourself. So again, an easy read, a profound read. It has its roots in the book, The Birth Order Book. It was a book that was something that was developed after that book became a mega hit because of the response I got from so many people. When I talk briefly about this phenomenon in The Birth Order Book. And by the way, if you’ve never read The Birth Order Book, my goodness, what are you waiting for? It’s a life changer for a lot of people.
Doug: Great. So you get When Your Best Isn’t Good Enough between now and January 31st of 2020 for $1.99. So Dr. Leman, Andrea, I shouldn’t ask it. Dr. Lehman’s not a wife. Of all the people here, I think she qualifies the most. Would you agree?
Dr. Leman: Yes.
Andrea: Yes.
Doug: Okay, Andrea. So your husband is watching violent movies and playing violent games and you can’t get him to listen to you. Would you, could you walk up to him and say, I’d like you to know that that behavior turns me off mentally, spiritually and definitely sexually?
Andrea: I think I would probably not be able to do it at the moment, but it would probably be something that I would have to say like the next day.
Doug: Could you say the next day though?
Andrea: Well, I think it makes a difference that if you’re receptive or not. So, yeah, I think I could say it in the right moment.
Doug: What stops most women from saying it, Dr. Leman?
Dr. Leman: Basic fear. You know, most women now, there are women who are tigers by the tail, but most women have a spirit about them can’t we all get along? They want the oceans of life rather smooth. They acquiesce to too many things. They tend to be the pleaser variety. And that in and of itself keeps them from speaking just the basic truth about life to their husband. They say yes when they mean no. They say yes when they really mean I don’t think so. They’re great team players. They don’t want to rock the relationship. But as we’ve talked about, there’s times you have to rock the relationship.
Andrea: I think it would take a precedence of being able to have these conversations, otherwise it could become volatile. Right. That’s what I imagine.
Doug: So Dr. Leman, would you say the book Smart Women Know When to Say No would help women like Andrea who are peacemakers by and large?
Dr. Leman: Oh yeah. And the nice thing is it’s just a little pocket size book. I think it costs like $6.99 for the book in hand. But it’s a wonderful, encouraging book for women that says you’re worth it. You’re worth sharing how you really feel here. So it’s a positive look at changing situations that women find themselves in, and quite frankly, they don’t know what to do.
Doug: Well, and we don’t mean to belabor the point, but you have said more than once that if there’s a king in the house who is not caring about anybody else’s feelings, when wives stand up to them, either they’ll listen because now finally someone’s standing up or they’ll go crazy. And that’ll tell you this is just a bad guy. You know? And but either way, speaking the truth in love helps everybody get clarity around them really quick. So yeah, for the spouse who is worried about her husband and too much violence in the home Dr. Lehman’s encouragement to you is speak up clearly in truth, in love, and let them know that this turns you off mentally, spiritually, and physically. But don’t keep swallowing your tongue. You’re not going to help you or your kids or them. And my encouragement to you is go buy the book, Smart Women Know When to Say No for your sake if you need that encouragement to know that you’re doing the right thing.
Doug: So well, it was great to be with you and we love editing to your parenting toolbox and we’d love seeing you being able to love those kids more and more. We look forward to the next time we’re with you.
Andrea: Thank you Dr. Leman and have a great week everyone.
Doug: Take care. Bye bye
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Doug: So you’ve been listening to this podcast and reading Dr. Leman’s books and you’ve applied a couple of the principles here and there and you’re like, “Woo hoo, I’m starting to see some change in my kid. This is great.” But all of a sudden this other problem pops up. What do you do about that? That’s the question Alyssa asked that we get to ask for you today.
Doug: Hi, I’m Doug Terpening.
Andrea: And I’m Andrea.
Doug: And we are so glad that you are with us today. Welcome. If this happens to be your first time, I want to let you know this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or your child, please go seek a local professional for help. Well, Dr. Leman, this is being released on January 7th of 2020. The year 2020. And I think it’s been quite a while since I’ve done this, but I think it really helps people understand the context of… If they’re sitting there scratching the chin like, “What does this guy Leman really know? Like what has he done?” Can you tell us just briefly how many books you’ve written and how many years you did private practice as well?
Dr. Leman: Oh gosh. Well let’s start with, I’m old as dirt, okay? I’m a little like Farmer’s Insurance, I know a few things because I’ve seen a few things. I was in private practice for approximately 40 years, so I saw families, kids, marriages, individuals, did a little bit of everything. Worked in a mental health clinic, taught at the university for 10 years. I was a Dean of Students from 1971 to 1981, handled all the discipline problems of college students. That was a great job by the way. When I took that job, I was 6 feet 11, I’m now a 5′ 10″. Anyway, I’ve written lots of books, 64 of them last count.
Dr. Leman: And my whole thing is to teach people, Doug and Andrea, that these people problems can be worked out. Most of the behavior that kids exhibit in our lives is learned behavior. They’ve learned to be the person they are. The question is, can they unlearn them, those negative behaviors? Can kids change? Can people change? Of course they can, but you don’t always have to run to your neighborhood shrink and see them for two years and pay an awful lot of money for those sessions to have that happen. And that’s why I pride myself on the books that I put out, that they are practical and they give you lots of options as a parent. They just don’t tell you what they do, but they give you options as a parent based upon your situation which way to go.
Doug: Well thank you for that background. And I know I’ve said this before, but also I think the proof is in your own personal family. Andrea and I can tell you from experience their kids want to get together for holidays, their kids want a vacation together. Their kids have succeeded in life. So he just doesn’t talk from principle, but from also actual life.
Dr. Leman: Five kids help that. They help bring a reality to life. They’re not all the same and they’re all going to see life differently and your job, parent, is to get behind those eyes of those kids and try to figure it out.
Doug: Amen. Well to that, we get to hear Alyssa’s question about her nine year old and let’s hear what Alyssa has to ask.
Alyssa: Morning Dr. Kevin Leman. My question for you is my nine year old son, he is an only child. He was born powerful. No, we lost a lot of control and power in our parenting over the years. And when he was eight we decided to get some help and we’ve taken the power and control back in our home. My question for you is when we asked him to do something, he likes to debate it or try to divert and do something quickly before he needs to do what he’s told. So it could be like I’ve asked him to unload the dishwasher and he wants to hug the dog and then hug me and then hug his dad. And then it’s like all these little things. And for us it’s frustrating because we know he’s doing it just to take up a little bit more time before he needs to do we do what he’s told.
Alyssa: My other question is, while he’s doing his task, there’s a lot of attention seeking. He can get very loud and obnoxious unloading the dishwasher or anything that we’ve asked him to do. So my question is how do we correct that? How do we correct a child who is listening, but while they’re doing their chore, they’re still attention seeking or while they’re doing their schoolwork, they’re still seeking attention. So I really appreciate your feedback. I hope you understand what I mean.
Dr. Leman: Yeah, I think I get it. Only children are in a class by themselves. They’re little adults. Certainly by age nine a child is fully personality wise formed. In other words, they have a mantra in life that might say, I only count on life when I win, when I dominate, when I control, when I get other people’s attention, when I put people in my service, when I avoid conflict, I mean there’s hundreds of those, fill in the blank for your kids. So you’ve already diagnosed your child as a powerful child, which I think is true. He’s been a powerful child. Now we’re seeing attention getting on top of that. There’s a little plus on that in that we’re moving from powerful to attention getting, which is at least a positive moment. But when you talk about delaying things and I need an extra hug and I need to do this and that, and he builds in other activities, he’s still showing you that he’s powerful.
Dr. Leman: So it’s a combination. And again, when you go from attention getting to power, you just don’t end up powerful. I know you said something like that, but actually a kid doesn’t just start powerful. They start with attention getting. And when that doesn’t seem to work and they don’t get enough attention, then they become powerful. But a couple things, with kids like this, they’re certainly smart enough to really talk to. They are certainly able to reason. And in quiet moments when your nine year old is not being obnoxious or whatever, you slip him a commercial announcement and you say something like, honey, you know I’ve been thinking about you quite a bit today and it seems like you have an insatiable need to garner our attention. It seems like all the time. In fact, you’re really good at making us pay attention to you. For example, when you get real obnoxious, it’s hard not to pay attention to you.
Dr. Leman: But I want you to look around. Stop right now, just look around the house. Do you see any other children here? There’s not another one in sight, you’re it, so you get all of our attention. And I’m wondering what’s going on in your head that makes you think that you need more attention. Do you think we’re going to run out of hugs and kisses or money or freedoms for you? No, we love you but when you make a fool of yourself, quite frankly, we sort of shake our head and we feel a little sorry for you to tell you the truth because this isn’t going to work in our home and it’s not going to work in life. So both dad and I feel bad about the situation you find yourself in and yet I think we both think are smart enough to figure out a way to handle this differently.
Dr. Leman: Now what we just did there is we’ve taken the tennis ball of life that I like to talk about, we placed it back on his side of the court. We’ve used what we call psychological disclosure to tell a child rather nicely that what you’re doing isn’t working and it’s not good for you. Yeah, it’s irritating to us, but it’s not good for you, but we believe that you’re going to be able to handle that. That’s the first thing I would do with a kid like that. If you want to have some fun with him when he’s tuned in to his favorite TV program or maybe at nine he’s on his computer doing something, you can stick your head five inches from his space so he can’t see the TV or he can’t see the computer and just say, I need your attention. I need your attention now. Really, would you just look at me? I need your attention. I need your attention.
Dr. Leman: And get them to the point where… Now again, this isn’t fun, so you’re not doing this in spite, you’re not trying to create more of a power struggle. We’re just making a point that that’s sort of how it feels sometimes on our end when all we’re trying to do is get out the door and you insist on a petting the dog and making sure her fingernails are okay or toenails are okay or whatever. So what I’m saying is you give the child some knowledge, you back off. You’re expressing faith in the kid that he’s going to be able to do some changing here.
Dr. Leman: It sounds, again, like you’ve had some positive changes in your home, you need to go back and rethink how did that work, why did that work so good? What do we do to create a situation where your child begins to change their behavior? Again, keep in mind, I wrote the book Making Children Mind Without Losing Yours, but you really don’t make a child mind do you? But you set up situations where a kid figures out I’m better off to go with the flow than I am to do what I’m doing. So that’s sort of the short term goal here.
Doug: So here’s my question. If I’m a parent listening to this, I’m like, what? There’s no way I’m walking up to my child and saying, you are making a fool of yourself. That’s degrading. That’s not thoughtful. That’s mean. How would you answer that question, Dr. Leman?
Dr. Leman: I would say parent, then enjoy your powerful child. I mean you need to call a spade a spade. Telling the truth in love is a great principle to live by. Telling the truth with love. You’re not doing it to be mean spirited. You’re just saying, this dog and pony show is getting really old and you’re making a fool of yourself. It’s not being received well by us. We talk about the purpose of nature of behavior. What’s the purpose of nature of a kid being obnoxious, of being silly? I mean, they’re kids, they’re going to do that from time to time, but Alyssa’s called in because it’s getting to be too much.
Dr. Leman: We have people at our school… We give awards to kids for their academic achievement and we’re a classical school, so we give crowns. And of course does everybody get a crown? No, but we’ll have parents who just, they feel so down and so bad because their kid didn’t get a crown. That’s just the way it is. Everybody doesn’t get a raise. Everybody doesn’t get advancement. It’s life. And if a parent’s really concerned about their kid not achieving, I would ask the parent to think about what do I do in my home to enhance the probability of my son or daughter doing better in school? So again, are parents a little over the top today? Yeah, they are. They’re a little too sensitive and I think a few of the bumps and bruises kids get in life gives them psychological muscles to deal with the realities that’s coming down life’s way for them.
Doug: When we come back from this, before I give the eBook promotion, I want to let people know we’re going to come back and I’m going to ask you about the parents be in the induced bumps and bruises. But so I don’t forget the eBook right now for you, which again, I can’t ask you enough to go get this book is The Intimate Connection. You can get it now until January 13th and this is incredible, for only $1.99. So now until January 13th of 2020 wherever eBooks are sold. Dr. Leman, if I’ve never heard anything about The Intimate Connection, what is that book about and how’s it going to help me?
Dr. Leman: Well, if you’re married or in a relationship, it’s going to help you understand the person that you love. It’s going to help you understand yourself. It’s a complete guide, in my opinion, to marriage. About everything that you can think of that invades your marriage is talked about in this book. It gives women, I think, a new perspective of what this man is all about and men who are not usually great communicators are going to learn how to communicate to a woman a little differently and they’re going to understand the need for women to be watered like a plant with words. Men avoid words. Men love grunts and I don’t know and I don’t want to tell you and we’re just not the wordsmiths that women are, but this book will encourage men to use words to learn what true affection is all about.
Dr. Leman: And like I say, I don’t want to use basic as a term because it’s more than basic, but it covers the waterfront in terms of emotions and feelings and where you want to go as a couple. And I think it challenges you to work toward oneness. Because if you get that intimate connection in your marriage, quite frankly you have haven’t made. Nothing will tear you apart if you have the intimate connection, it’s hand in glove. It’s one relating to two, two relating to one. They’re inseparable and it’s for $1.99, my goodness. Download it. Offer to buy one for your adult son or daughter who’s married and you’re suspect that maybe things aren’t everything they should be. That’s a wonderful gift for people to start the year 2020 off in fine fashion.
Doug: So you can get it wherever eBooks are sold between now and January 13th of 2020. So Dr. Leman, there at the last thing you were saying, well, bumps and bruises are a part of life, but nowadays as parents, we’re not supposed to bring the bumps and bruises, that we’re supposed to help sooth the wounds and help them. But yet you’re telling me that. How do I balance those two problems?
Dr. Leman: Right. Let’s start off with most parents stick their head in the sand and make excuses for their kids. I’m not saying to brutalize the kids in any way, I’m telling them to tell them the truth. The kid’s moaning over the fact they got a D in a class. Well, honey, could it have any to do with the fact that you don’t do homework on a regular basis? I mean, duh. Honey, I can’t do your homework for you. These are your grades. You got to get it out of your head that somehow these are my grades. Do I feel bad that you’re not doing well in school? Yeah, I’ll give you that. I feel bad because I’m older and I know that you’re going to pay for this later on in life. This is going to determine what kind of apartment you have, what kind of house you have, what kind of car you drive someday. Education is important and you seem to have a nonchalant attitude about it like everything’s cool. Well, I’m older than you are and you’re going to have to trust me on this one, everything isn’t cool because education is important in life. So you need to man up, pony up, whatever term you want, and you need to attack this.
Dr. Leman: So I’m known for not sugarcoating things. I wouldn’t sugarcoat anything. And if your son or daughter gets an emotional bruise over you being brutally truthful with them, so be it. It’ll heal. It’s not the end of the world. But it sure beats blaming somebody else or sticking your head in the sand and pretending a problem doesn’t exist.
Doug: As our children have launched out, a couple of them have launched out into life, you used the term that we need to, what does it, Andrea, develop their…
Andrea: Psychological muscles.
Doug: Psychological muscles. And I heard you use those terms and I didn’t fully understand it until I saw my children in action out there and how important it is. You’re right that the real world isn’t Pattycakes and rainbows and yeah, we should do a whole episode on preparing your kid’s psychological muscles. But all to say thank you, Dr. Leman for that.
Dr. Leman: Well, think about it this way. When your son or daughter goes off into life, okay? How many of the people that they interact with every day really give a rat’s tail about them? Think about that. How many people that interacts with your kids really care about your son or your daughter? I mean, put a number on it. I’m curious to know what people are thinking as they listen to this podcast. I’m going to say not many. The building blocks that you have given them, and I always say you build a beautiful cathedral one brick at a time, as Doug and Andrea has cemented those bricks into the foundations of who those kids are when somebody becomes snarky or nasty or mean to James or one of the other kids, that work that you poured into them, that foundation is what’s going to keep them strong. Do you see what I’m saying?
Dr. Leman: So we prepare our kid for a world that’s not exactly a nice world. So if you sugarcoat everything in the home and you make excuses for kids and you continually let them off the hook and I mean what are you doing? You’re diminishing the chances of your kid developing the kind of protectance that they need as venture into a world that’s not exactly kind.
Doug: Well, Dr. Leman, as someone who’s got kids that have launched now, I just, if you’re listening to this as a parent, this is why we beg you, especially if you have smaller kids, go get these resources, go read these books. Help yourself get these kids ready. Because man, they go from five to out of your house in a blink of an eye. And I know I sound like an old person now, but I’m like, man, do it now. You’ll never regret it. I’m just telling you one of the greatest joys Andrea and I have because we’ve changed our parenting is our adult children are now coming back and asking us, “Well, what do you think about this?” Not all the time, but on enough that it’s like, Oh my gosh, this old crazy guy was right. He says they would and they do. And we don’t ask questions. We never ask questions now, like you said.
Doug: So for your sake, go get that book Have a New Kid by Friday. Download Intimate Connections for your sake, not for mine, but for yours. Okay, well it was great being with you. Alyssa, thank you for having the guts to leave us that question. It was fabulous. You can go to birthorderguide.com to leave your podcast questions there and we love being with you and we love that you’re taking the time to invest in your kids so that you can have more tools to love those kids better and better.
Andrea: Have a great week.
Doug: Have a super one. Look forward to the next time. Take care. Bye, bye.
]]>Managing your marriage is just as important as rearing your kids. Learn how to stay connected to your spouse in the thick of parenthood on today’s episode.
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Transcript
Doug: All right. It’s already been a long day at work. It’s been a long day at the house and I’m just tired, and now I have to go deal with my spouse. I just don’t got no energy for it. In fact, I just don’t even know if I want to deal with it. How much do I actually have to invest in my marriage? And when I’ve got kids, can’t I just pour it all over the kids and then worry about her later? Or him later? That’s the question we get to ask Dr. Leman, how do I stay connected to my spouse in the midst of raising children? Hi, I’m Dr. Penny.
Andrea: And I’m Andrea.
Doug: And we are so happy that you are with us. Truly, I really am happy that you are listening to this for your sake. And to let you know, welcome and I want to let you know this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or child, please go seek a local professional for help. So Dr. Leman, Andrea and I, we really like each other … Love each other. Sorry, Andrea. I do love you, and-
Andrea: I hope you like me too. Okay.
Doug: And I like you. But life is like crazy nutso, and trying to find time to invest in Andrea is really hard. How do I do this whole thing while I’m raising kids and have a marriage? What’s … help?
Dr. Leman: Well, let’s start with, it’s not easy. When I’m doing marriage seminars … By the way, if you ever want me to come to your church or organization, my preference is to come in and speak on a Sunday morning. Most people figure out this guy’s not as stiff, especially husbands. And they’ll show up and do something Sunday night on marriage, something for stay-at-home mommies and daddies on Monday morning. Sometimes we also do a breakfast on The Way of the Shepherd, my leadership book. And then on Monday night do a session on parenthood. That’s a great way to grow a church. You want to grow a church these days, by the way, folks, you do it through family ministry. But anyway, I forgot what the question was because I went off into seminars. What was your question?
Doug: How do you help us in how much do I really need to invest in my relationship with my wife, my spouse, in the midst of the busyness of being a parent?
Dr. Leman: Yeah, and I was talking about marriage seminars and I talk about the stages that we go through in marriage. The first stage of marriage is expectation stage, and that’s when we’re dating. Okay? This is when we fall into each other’s arms and we talk about the future, and, “I can’t wait for that day that we’re married. We’re just going to be together and it’s going to be just wonderful. We’re going to have this wonderful close, loving relationship. We’re going to have moonlight walks and talks, cuddle up by the fire. Oh, I just can’t wait.” Well, that’s expectation stage. The next stage I call reality, and this is where you find out your wife has morning breath that could kill a cockroach at four and a half feet. And your husband makes noises in bed at night you cannot believe. That’s the reality stage of marriage, and it doesn’t take long to get from expectation to reality. And then the next stage is disillusionment, and that can follow closely as well. “This man isn’t everything I thought he was. There he is watching two ballgames simultaneously munching on a pizza, eating his chicken wings.
Dr. Leman: His hands are a mess.” Yes ladies, this is your gift from God. And before long … And again, keep in mind if you’re married today, your marriage will last about seven years. That’s a good guess. Before long, we’re in the license and we’re in the dissolution of our marriage, and we’re done. So this whole process of staying close is a difficult one because we have careers. And then how about this? The time that little infant, ladies, is laid across your breasts at time of childbirth and there’s that little lip quivering and you’re just looking at this little gracious little gift from God, and you fall in love with that child immediately and that child is so needy. And you’re mama bear and you’re going to meet those needs. And many, many times with the advent of children, that’s when the intimacy and the closeness between a husband and a wife disappear into the back woods. And that’s a dangerous path to take because the longer it exists, the easier it is to stay on that course.
Dr. Leman: I’ve always suggested to young couples in the first two weeks of that baby’s life that you leave the baby home with a babysitter and go out for an evening by yourself to set the paradigm, the model, if you will, that, “We have a connection and a commitment to each other, which precedes our relationship with our kids.” And kids can become too important. So many parents just live their life vicariously through their children and it’s not healthy, it’s not good. You need to take time out for the couple on a daily basis. The husband has to be very much a helper because for the young mom that’s got a baby, she’s exhausted. To put bluntly gentleman, she’s too pooped to whoop, if you know what I mean. So you really have to extend yourself as a man to be the kind of leader you need to be in that home.
Dr. Leman: But as woman, you have to cling to your husband and you have to realize that his needs and your needs are equally as important. You have to work toward meeting those needs in marriage as you begin this new journey with this little life that is going to greatly influence how you live every day of your life.
Doug: So children are coming along and now they’ve taken over, so we’re losing this intimate connection. Is it just that we are physically exhausted? Is that why kids cause us to lose our closeness? Or is there another aspect of adding children to the mix that cause us to lose that?
Dr. Leman: Well, they just take on too much importance. But I think the physical fatigue, especially for a mama bear, that’s real. I mean, parenthood isn’t woman’s work. Parenthood is on both of us. And I’m here to report that today’s daddy’s are so much better than they were even 20 years ago. Dads are very involved, they’re doing a much better job. When that woman who is exhausted is led by her husband’s hand and say, “Honey, come on.” And he walks her in the bedroom and he pulls back the sheets on the bed and literally tucks her in and says, “Honey, you just take a nap. I got it. I got it.” As that woman who’s dozing off for that nap, you know what she’s saying? She saying, “I am so blessed to be married to that man. He understands what I’m up against.” Recently we did a podcast on middle children and we emphasized it was really important for that middle child to understand that people know what they’re up against. Well, so it is for mama bear who just had a child and she needs that helpful husband.
Dr. Leman: But again, the tendency is to get off track and to just focus on the children. So after mama’s nap and after baby is fed and laid down, this is a time we come together and we talk. We talk about life. Yes, we talk about the day, but we talk about feelings. We talk about what’s happening in our lives. And as a reminder, feelings draw you close together, when you share feelings. Judgments do what? They push you apart. I wrote this book, The Intimate Connection, and that’s where we want to strive to be as a couple. We want that intimate connection. But I’m here to tell you, most couples don’t have the intimate connection. They strive for it, but they fall short.
Doug: So Dr. Leman, I got to be honest. Literally, I was making the gaggy emotion here because like feelings? Are you kidding me? After I’ve worked all day, you want me to sit down with my wife and share feelings? That sounds like-
Andrea: Heaven.
Doug: No, there’s another description [crosstalk 00:08:43].
Dr. Leman: Well, I don’t think we have to dramatize it that much, but I think if you have a boss at work who’s just been riding your tail and it’s really irritating, I think it’s important that you share those feelings with your bride, that’s where you enter each other’s worlds. So it’s not so much about, “Let’s hold hands, pray, and sing Michael Row The Boat Ashore.” I’m just talking about every day, sharing what’s going on in your life at the feeling level. And if you felt like your wife dissed you or your husband dissed you, yes, you need some creative ways of bringing that up because sometimes if you bring it up in the wrong way with the wrong attitude, it’s just going to end up with a fight.
Doug: So my feelings don’t have to be all lovey, positive, flowery-
Dr. Leman: No. No. No.
Doug: … they could be genuine feelings.
Dr. Leman: But you need time. How many couples set time for themselves? I mean, the smart man draws the bath for his wife. The smart man doesn’t forget to bring that single rose home, the little unexpected gift, the touch of her hair, the comment that he’s so glad he married her. It’s the words that you use, people, that enrich the marital plan so it blooms and grows and spreads.
Doug: Dr. Leman, I’m hearing you talk about all this and I’m overwhelmed as a male. I got to touch your hair and I got to tell her, “I’m really glad to be married to you.” How the heck am I going to remember all this stuff because that just is honestly so foreign to me to stop-
Dr. Leman: Gosh, you sound like the normal stupid man that I talk to right now.
Doug: I’m just trying to be on it. Right.
Dr. Leman: You’re role playing, you’re doing really good. “You mean I got to touch her hair?”, “Yeah. Yeah. All right, do this.”, “All right, I touched her hair. Now what do I do?” Okay, come on. Get your head out of the sand and realize this is your gift from God. This is your helpmate. This is your oneness. This is the lady you love. This is the lady who pushed that little nine pounder out … Okay. It was six and a half. Nevertheless, she pushed that little guy out, and he’s your pride and joy now. So I’m just saying marriage shouldn’t be a checklist, “I got to do this. I got to do that.” It ought to be a natural outgrowth of the love and the mutual respect that exists between a man and a woman. And a lot of times once we get married, we get in a negative groove. A lot of men, quite frankly, I think take advantage of their wives. They don’t appreciate their great contribution to the family. In my estimation, most women hold families together, not husbands. Am I saying that it should be that way?
Dr. Leman: No, I’m just saying, my opinion is that most women hold families together. They’re so relational. You’re pointing out through your role playing of being the stupid dad here, the stupid husband, that for a lot of us as men, it’s hard to get our arms around some of these touchy feeling kind of things. But I’m just saying, this is just simple courtesy and respect and adoration, and using words to describe how blessed you are to be married to this beautiful woman. And she’s got to feel beautiful because women respond in the intimate side of life only if they feel like they’re really cared for and loved.
Dr. Leman: I mean, I’ve had women tell me … I’ll be real frank now, okay? This is getting a little edgy, but I’ve had women tell me behind closed doors in counseling sessions that, “When my husband just runs his fingers through my hair, that just turns me on, doc. I want to be all over that man.” Well, did that get some man’s attention just now? I bet it did. The little things we do that set up opportunities for not only physical intimacy but emotional intimacy, which is more important.
Doug: So even though you think I’m role playing, actually I’m not. I mean, it’s only in the last couple of years … And we’ve been married 20-
Andrea: Almost 22.
Doug: Almost 22 years. In the first 15, 16, 17 years of my marriage, I didn’t have any of these concepts to be honest. None of them. I brought home money, I was present, I was physically in the room, I didn’t yell too much. And I didn’t understand this.
Dr. Leman: Yeah, but you were King Doug, and there’s a lot of King Doug’s in the world. You come home to your fortress and you hit your chair, and you watch your UCLA Bruins win once in a while.
Doug: Oh, ouch.
Dr. Leman: [crosstalk 00:13:31]. We’re no better over here, believe me. We’re struggling, we don’t know what we’re doing. We just fired our defensive coordinator on top of that. So anyway, we’re getting off track. But I get your point. And a lot of men, that’s how we are. A lot of men see the house, the home, the kids as woman’s work. And women are so relational, they fall into that trap real easy because they love the relationship they have with their kids. But what happens is the relationship with the kids, which they get a lot of emotional strokes from, takes away their need to have emotional strokes come from you as a husband and they’re oblivious to your needs. Your needs are, “I want to feel needed and wanted and fulfilled by this woman.” Well, if she doesn’t feel like she’s really important in your life and she’s treated as a second class citizen, there’s no way that’s going to happen. You’re just lucky you married the gracious woman you did.
Doug: That is true. Thank you Andrea for marrying me. So before we go to break and talk about the book, I forgot to mention this at the beginning. Andrea and I have seen surprisingly a number of marriages around us crumble and the resulting impact on their children are horrific. And so the reason we’re doing this, you’re like, “This is a parenting podcast, we’re talking about marriage.” Man, you want … Dr. Leman says it all the time. You want to make your parenting super hard or screw up your parenting, divorce is the number one way to make that even harder. I don’t think you say number one, but you say it makes it a whole bunch harder. So we want to make sure that the foundation of the family is good.
Doug: And I’m telling you, you are going to get a gift right now and that is that you can get the book from Dr. Leman called Intimate Connections between now and January 13th of 2020 for only $1.99. I shouldn’t start telling you why you should have the book, I’ll let Dr. Leman.
Dr.Leman, why would I care about reading a book about intimate connections? How can reading a book actually helped me out?
Dr. Leman: Well, that $1.99 book that you download can save you hundreds of thousands of dollars. How’s that for an opener? It’s as good a comprehensive marriage book written in plain, simple language that husbands and wives can understand. It goes into the needs of men and women, I highlight how different they are. And again, a husband has to get behind his wife’s eyes and see how she sees life. He has to understand at the feeling level, what it’s like to be a woman. Conversely, we ask women to get behind the eyes of their husband and understand how needy that husband is. He might seem tough, invincible, he might be a former Marine, but trust me, there’s a tender velvet part of him that very much needs the affirmation from you for his basic manliness. He gets energy and fire from the simple words that you give to him, ladies. And so this is a book that if you take the time to read it … And I suggest this is one of those books like the book Sheet Music that I did, which is a book on sexual intimacy in marriage.
Dr. Leman: It’s probably the best selling book on sex written from a Christian perspective. It’s a mega seller, sells like crazy for a reason. Well, The Intimate Connection is equal to that book in terms of its worth and value because it gives you a full look at what marriage is all about to that point where you develop the intimate connection. And the intimate connection would mean if you didn’t see your wife or your husband in six months for whatever reason, maybe one of you was in the armed services, and you came together again after six months, you wouldn’t miss a beat. You would be able to have the same intimate conversations that you had six months prior to it. It means that you’re so into each other that many times there’s no need to even say how you feel because your mate knows that. So it’s a wonderful little book, it’s easy to read, and it’s got Q&A and it’s very practical and useful. So for a buck 99, my goodness, take advan … I hope people are taking advantage of these prices.
Dr. Leman: I mean, last time we offered The Birth Order book at 2.99. I mean, walk in a bookstore, it’s $16. Even online, it’s $11 and some cents. So take advantage of these.
Doug: Yep. You can get The Intimate Connection between now and January 13th of 2020 for a $1.99. And now, a no nonsense parenting moment with Dr. Kevin Leman.
Dr. Leman: “Mommy, I want a puppy. Daddy, can we get a cat?” You know what? The Lemans have had hermit crabs, guinea pigs, turtles and several dogs. Parents, you know the drill here. And some of you, you get so sucked in by your kids. You live in a two bedroom apartment, you both work, you’ve got two kids. Quite frankly, the last thing you need is a pet. But many of you will go ahead and get that pet and you know down the road it’s going to cause problems. Certainly going to cause problems when you want to go away and be at grandma’s for three weeks. Good luck finding a dog sitter, et cetera. Well, not to come across like an old grouch, but you know and I know that if there’s a pet in the family, most of that responsibility for having the pet is falling on who? That’s right, you. Your six year old isn’t taking the cat to get her shots or paying for it, or to get the dog’s nails clipped, or shampooed, or you name it.
Dr. Leman: So this really is a decision that you have to really think through. Now again, we have enjoyed having a dog in our family. We’ve had a dog in our family almost all of my life and I’ve always enjoyed the company of a dog. I would admit to everything I just said that it’s costly, and they can interrupt your lifestyle, and whatever. But is it pet great for a kid? Yes, depending upon where you live, depending upon their age, their responsibility. But don’t get caught up in the emotional moment. If you’re hit with the opportunity, so to speak, to get a pet, give it a week parents and think about it. Think about, “Will this pet really enrich our life right now or is there another time for a pet?” I love going to the zoo, I love seeing all the animals. In fact, recently I was on Fox & Friends, and they had baby Bengal tigers in the studio and a baby leopard. What beautiful creatures. You want to take them home, they’re so gorgeous and beautiful.
Dr. Leman: I love to watch animals, but like what some grandparents have said to me, “I love my grandchildren because I can really enjoy them and then give them back at the end of the evening and go home.” So with that in mind, my advice is simply really think this thing through. Don’t get caught up in emotion in the wailing and crying of your kids because the bottom line is, you, parent more than anybody else in the family is going to be responsible for that pet. You want kids to be responsible? Of course you do, but I’m just telling you, the reality of life is you’re going to do more for that pet than your son or your daughter. Good luck.
Doug: Okay, Dr. Leman, we’ve talked about what the men need to do. Andrea’s question was?
Andrea: Yeah. What about the women? What did we do for our husbands to keep that intimacy alive?
Dr. Leman: Well, men … I want everybody to think about how long does it take to get your wife frisky? Now, we’re talking a little edgy here. I think it was my late friend, Gary Smalley, who first said that women were like Crock-Pots and men were like microwaves. And that’s so true because it takes women a long time in general to really enjoy true, wonderful, fulfilling sex. It doesn’t take a man much time to enjoy fulfilling sex. With that in mind, I wonder how many women realize how much that man needs and wants you in a physical sense? But the words you choose to use, ladies, it’s what drives him, which fulfills him. How many of you would be brave enough today to send an email to your husband at work to say, “Hey, the kids are gone tonight. They’re going to be over at grandma and grandpa’s house. If you hurry home, I have a special treat waiting for you that I know you’re going to love. And by the way, I just bought this new perfume and I wonder if you’re going to enjoy it.”
Dr. Leman: You send that email to your husband. I mean, he’d be salivating like a dog over a steak. Trust me. You get into that man’s head and you tell him how much you need him and want him. I realize that when I say that to some women who just heard that, they go, “Oh no, let’s not go there.” You avoid your husband. You make excuses for your husband. I mean, you might as well just drive him into somebody else’s arms. I’m going to say this as best I can. If you don’t have a love affair with your husband, somebody else will. That’s about a true a statement as there is. If you don’t have a love affair with your husband, somebody else surely will. It’ll happen. So again, the physical side of a man is just so important. If you look at males and females and say, “Who is sex more important to?” You’re probably going to say, “Well, probably a man.” Here’s the interesting side. Who is created by our Creator to enjoy sex more? A man or a woman? I think the answer is clearly a woman.
Dr. Leman: A woman’s response is so profound and huge and strong, and a man’s just not a 10th of that. So isn’t it interesting that the Creator created women in that way? And I think it speaks to us as men that if you look at our sex life as a symphony … keep in mind I wrote a book called Sheet Music. That husband is the conductor of the orchestra, and all these things have to come together for a woman to really experience sexual bliss in a marriage. Not much needs to come together for a man. Quite frankly, time and a place. I mean, most men are happy with that. So this is a struggle for a lot of women. I read my emails, believe me, I know how many of you feel. But are you capable of pulling this off? Yes. Are quickies okay in marriage? They are. Be creative, be inventive. I’ve heard every story there is, there’s not one email you could send me that would shock me at this stage. I’m a little bit like Farmers Insurance. I know a few things because I’ve seen a few things.
Andrea: Can I circle back to something you said at the beginning, and maybe just to bring this back around to closure. You’ve talked about what the men can do for their wives and what the wives can do for their husbands to develop intimacy. You went through the stages at the beginning. We start out with dating, with expectation, and then we move into reality and disillusionment. What about some hope? Is there something in those stages? Is there another stage? Or can we skip disillusionment? And what would you say could be the next stage?
Dr. Leman: Well, actually there is another stage. I invented the word, it’s called gracefullove. It’s one word, gracefullove. We sing that song, especially at Easter time, Because He Lives I Can Face Tomorrow. Well, if you’re a believer in Jesus Christ, and you have the Holy Spirit in your life, I’m just telling you that with God, all things are possible. So many times these aren’t marital problems, these are spiritual problems. These are the fact that we’ve tried to do things on our own without the help of Almighty God. I mean, if you want an exercise to move toward the intimate connection, I would suggest you pray together audibly. It’s a great way to see what’s going on in each other’s heart, but I know from experience of working with couples that very few couples do that. We have our own individual spiritual lives, and God didn’t design us that way. He wants us to be in community not only in a local church or in a small group, but there has to be that oneness right in the home.
Dr. Leman: There’s lots of ways of skinning the proverbial cat, but I think a lot of our marital problems that we see within the Christian Church are really spiritual problems and not marital problems per se.
Doug: Well, it is interesting you say that. I think our marriage turned when I got more aware of my need for God and not myself. And I would say it was surprising how so many things around me went better. That’s a really interesting advice. Well, I think we’re out of time for today. But
Dr. Leman, thank you so much for helping us. Thank you for writing this book. If you are struggling in your marriage in any way, shape, or form, or you feel like your marriage is a five and a six and you want to go to a seven or eight or even a nine, I would highly recommend Intimate Connections. It never hurts to understand your spouse more, it never hurts to actually get behind their eyes as Dr. Leman said to appreciate them. So you can get the book between now and January 13th of 2020 for $1.99. If you’re listening to this podcast after that, you can still go buy the book. It’s still for sale and do it for your sake, for your marriage.
Doug: Well, it was super great to be with you and we do these so that we can help you parent your kids better and better, and a great marriage is a great foundation to do that with so that you have that toolbox to love those kids more and more.
Andrea: Have a great day.
Doug: We look forward to the next time. Take care.
Andrea: Bye-bye.
]]>Being a middle child isn’t always easy, but you can help them navigate their status through how you parent them. Listen in on today’s episode where Dr. Leman breaks down what it means to be the middle child and gives some pointers on how to help them through life.
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Doug: So you got three kids. You think you got the first one. Definitely understand the babe, but what about that middle child? How do you understand it? They seem so placid. They seem so wonderful. Well, they are quite wonderful. Since Andrea and I are middle child, we think they’re wonderful, but how do you parent a middle child? That’s the question we get to ask Dr. Leman today. Hi, I’m Doug Terpening.
Andrea: And I’m Andrea.
Doug: And we are so glad that you are with us today. It is great to be with you. We hope that you’re having a fabulous morning or afternoon or evening, wherever you’re listening to this at, and we want to let you know, welcome. This is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or a child, please go seek a local professional for help. So, Dr. Leman, I’ve got a middle child and I’m coming to you as the birth order expert and saying, help me figure out how to parent my middle child. What do I need to know as a parent?
Dr. Leman: Well, the very first thing we have to discover, Dr. Terpening, is this child really a middle child? Just because you’re child two with siblings on each end doesn’t automatically make you a middle child. When we describe a middle child a little later you’ll say, “That’s not me. Well, there’s a little bit of that in me, but not much. I think I’m more like a firstborn child.” Well, that’s because the child above you in the birth order is of the opposite sex. You always have to look at sex as a variable when you look at the three, four, five, six little cubs that meander out of the proverbial den, so that’s number one. Your true middle child is the one that’s sandwiched between same-sex kids within five years of each other, so if there’s a three year gap, two year gap, four year gap, 18 month gap, whatever, if they’re close the more competitive those cubs are going to be, and the more pronounced that middle child syndrome, so to speak, will be apparent in that kid’s life. Does that make sense so far?
Andrea: So was that within three years you said? Five years?
Dr. Leman: Five years you sort of draw another family. So I would say four years, three years, two years.
Andrea: Between each child, or from the top one to the third one?
Dr. Leman: No, just between the births of the kids. For example, if the first one is right now you have a 13-year-old, and an 11-year-old, and then a five-year-old, okay? The five-year-old is so far removed from the others that they’re going to function as an only child who has four parents. So then the family becomes just a firstborn and a secondborn, and on top of that if one is a male, and one is a female you could have two firstborn personalities. You could have a firstborn and a baby. So, again, when people look at birth order, and they just look at the rank, ordinal position of the child, you missed the whole point of how we’re trying to help you understand your kids, yourself, and your family. You really have to look at the big picture, and the year spread, and the sex of the kids is certainly two very important variables.
Doug: Another question since we’re on this, if we have two children and they’re only two years apart, is the second one a middle child, or is it a baby, and it’s a boy and a girl?
Dr. Leman: In all probability a youngest, yeah. So, again, there’s an art form to some of this quite frankly to figure it out, but it’s fun figuring out, and once you figure it out it makes some sense. And that’s where I think we can help parents today get behind the eyes of that middle child and see how they see life.
Doug: So what are the struggles that a middle child is having as they’re stuck in the middle?
Dr. Leman: Well, that they never had anything to themselves. They had hand-me-down clothes from their older brother and sister, okay? And they feel squeezed. They’re in a position where if they look up there is the king or queen, the junior monarch of the family, the one who calls the shots, the boss, the jefe. And then they look below them and they got this little pipsqueak who seems to get away with murder, and is great at setting the middle child up as the brunt of whatever. What’s the middle child to do? Throw up their hands and move next door. I mean, it’s tough being a middle child.
Dr. Leman: The good news is I always say the middle child is the peanut butter and jelly of the sandwich because they learn that life is certainly not about them. Now at Leman Academy of Excellence, our schools, we try to teach kids they’re not the center of the universe. Most middle children need no teaching on that. They understand that because they’re surrounded by stars and celebrities in their own little world, in their own family. Even the dog takes priority over the middle child, but the good news is they negotiated for everything they ever had. They never had mom and dad to themself. The family photo album is always interesting because most of their best pictures have their older sister or brother’s armpit around their head. That’s how they grow up.
Dr. Leman: They’re sort of smothered in many ways so they become fiercely loyal to their friends, and they are more likely to identify outside of the family than inside of the family. What does that speak to about where’s the rebel in the family? Lots of times you’ll find the rebel in the number one position because the parents were too authoritarian and the kids had dug in and said, “Hey, I want no part of this,” but more likely than not that middle child who felt like he didn’t quite belong, and I think that’s a message for parents today how do you make your middle child feel important? How do you make them feel like they belong? How do you keep them in the ballgame? Because they are most likely to go outside of the family for friendships and whatever values that you hold dearest, family, they might just run from those so you might have a good protocol position in that middle child of the family.
Dr. Leman: On top of that there’s things in families called alliances where child number one and number three bond together, and child two and number four bond together. Just as an example, what do you do when there’s just three of them? It’s one and three versus who? The middle child, so it’s fun. It’s fun to take a look at this. It explains a lot of our kids’ behavior, but, again, we want to help parents today know, okay, how do I approach this middle child? What are the things that I do that make that kid feel important? Number one is ask for your child’s opinion. So many times the loud mouth firstborn, or the loud mouth baby just sort of drowns out everybody else and there’s the middle child who just sort of rolls with the punches, and that’s a skill they have that will pay off in life that they roll with the punches, but just simple asking them, Honey, what do you think we should do? Where would you like to go? I’d love to know how you feel about this or that. Those are things that draws the middle child into the family.
Andrea: So asking for their opinion because they often don’t get heard.
Dr. Leman: No, they don’t. They get lost.
Andrea: And you said in the last podcast, the middle child gets forgotten, and that’s why we’re doing this one.
Doug: Did you ever feel forgotten, Andrea, growing up? You know, because you had a perfect older sister.
Andrea: Right. Well, I’m trying to figure out my younger sister is a little over five years younger than me.
Doug: Were you a baby?
Andrea: So I don’t know, but Dr. Lehman has told me that for some reason Emily and I reversed roles even though I was second, so I’m listening carefully trying to figure out that.
Dr. Leman: Yeah, Andrea is so cautious and precise. She’s more of a firstborn personality for whatever variables. Now, again, we haven’t talked about the critical-eyed parent, which is another huge variable in birth order, but let’s take three girls in a family. The firstborn has always been expected to really just shine in everything. The problem is that no matter how hard she tried, she never quite got there because her mother or her father would always say, “You could do better.” They were a flaw-picker. Lots of times that will spawn a situation that defeats the firstborn daughter in this family, and then the secondborn daughter, especially, if she’s just a couple of years behind the firstborn will bloom. She’ll leapfrog over her, so to speak. And she wasn’t bombarded with the critical nature of the parents because she was protected by the ice cutter in life, which is the firstborn.
Dr. Leman: So the firstborn took all the bumps and bruises of what went on in the family. Whenever there’s dysfunction in the family, the one that’s closest to it that would be the firstborn pays for it. If there’s a child right behind them within just a couple of years, they tend to profit from that, believe it or not. And they again, leapfrog them and become more like a firstborn personality, more like a leader in the family, if that makes sense.
Doug: That’s great. So the first one was ask for their opinion. What would be another parenting tip when dealing with middle children?
Dr. Leman: Yeah. I think you have to come alongside of your middle child, and you have to verbally identify with where they are in life. Simple things like just observations. You know, Honey, I was driving to the grocery store today. I was thinking about you. There you are. You’re sort of stuck in the middle, aren’t you? You got your big sister who just between you and me acts like she knows everything, and you got your little sister who just between you and me we should get a big can of Raid that would help keep her down in her position. I mean, use some humor if you want, but in other words, you’re getting behind the kid’s eyes, and you’re empathizing with the fact that it’s not easy to be a middle child. Just that recognition that that’s a tough place to be in the family goes a long way.
Dr. Leman: And then you’ve heard me say this before, this is the grand slam of them all when you pull that middle child aside and you say, Honey, can I ask your opinion about something? Now notice you’re asking opinion, which always helps. Is your older sister a little over the top or is it me? She’s a little too much, isn’t she? And right there that middle child is going to light up like a firefly in the early evening. Oh, my goodness, somebody understands what I’m up against. So anything that goes in that direction where you’re empathizing with your son, or your daughter about how tough it is to be in that position goes an awful long way.
Doug: There’s a couple of things that you say every now and then, and then I think, “Wow, this guy is out to lunch.” So this was one of them that you said a long time ago to us. I thought, “Okay, well, he’s been right on a couple of things. I might as well try this one.” So I took my middle child aside and I did exactly what you just said. I followed you almost verbatim and I was shocked at the response of my child because I thought “Am I dissing the other children? Am I slandering them?” But you do say it in such a way that you’re not. They’re like literally at the end of it, you’re not kidding this child said, “Dad, thank you. I thought that nobody knew how hard it was,” or I think he said more like “I didn’t think anybody understood what that older brother is like.” And I was like, “Wow, it works.” So it sounds crazy, but it really does help the children.
Dr. Leman: Yeah, you know, as a youngest child I can tell you that we had an old Chevy. There were three kids in our family and nobody ever wanted to sit in the middle. Now it was just a position of whose bigger. And, of course, the middle child of my family was my brother who was the quarterback of the football team so they both had the outside seats in the backseat of the sedan we had, and I had to sit in the middle. With kids it’s sort of like the associated press power rankings. Number one child has some power. Number two, depending upon their sex and their physical size has some power. The least visible power is the baby of the family, but as we’ve talked about on our podcast, watch out for those babies because they can be manipulative. They find ways to get around the older ones.
Dr. Leman: Again, it’s a challenge I think for parents to sit down and realistically see what games the kids play of one-upsmanship in your family. Again, the birth order theory was not created by Kevin Leman. A lot of people give me credit for that. It was a guy by the name of Alfred Adler who back in Austria he was actually a compadre of Sigmund Freud talked about the striving for superiority in families where these kids strive to be on top, to be the boss, to be the jefe, and that’s really the seedlings of where birth order started, but it’s fun as a parent to try to figure it out because it will help you in giving your kids the vitamin E, the encouragement that they need, and the vitamin N that they sometimes need, which is simply, no, we’re going to not do that. We’re going to go in a different direction.
Doug: I’m going to make sure that I get the eBook promotion in here because it’s totally relevant to what we’re talking about, but when we are done with it, I want to come back to what you just said, like what are the traits that kids have as middle children that we need to give them ease and ends to? But before we go to that, it’s a perfect eBook for what we’re discussing is that you can get The Birth Order Book between now and the end of the year, December 31st of 2019 for $2.99.
Dr. Leman: Oh, wow.
Doug: This is wherever eBooks are sold between now and the end of the year. How, Dr. Lehman, will reading that book help me be a better parent?
Dr. Leman: Wow. It will help you in every possible way. There’s a whole section on how to raise your firstborn, your secondborn, your thirdborn, your only child. If you’re a business person, oh, my goodness, read the book. People always ask me. It’s a tough question because books are like kids, but they say, “Hey, I’ve never read one of your books, but I want to. Where do I start?” And lots of times I just say, “Well, read The Birth Order Book.” Because it’s a marriage book. A lot of good stuff on marriage, good stuff on parenthood in there. The book was revised. The book actually came out way back in the Phil Donahue days. He was way before Oprah Winfrey to show you how long that book has been around. It was first released in 1985, but the book that you buy today has about 70% more material than that original book.
Dr. Leman: So many of you who’ve read The Birth Order Book years ago, I think, The Birth Order Book was totally revised, I’m guessing four to five years ago. So that is the most up-to-date version. It’s well worth to read. 2.99, I mean, just even if you have the book. I would download that sucker and have it so it’s at your fingertips when you’re out for lunch with somebody and you’re talking about something relevant and you can pull out the old Birth Order Book, and share some of the little jewels that are in there. That’s a book for everybody, but if you’re a business person and you manage people, wow, read The Birth Order Book. It will give you great insight. Moms, dads, kids love The Birth Order Book. I can’t tell you how many times I get emails from kids who are doing research papers on birth order and they always come back to me and tell me they got an A because the teacher loved the topic so much. It plays out, but we really haven’t described the stereotypical middle child.
Doug: Well, let me just finish and then that’s what we’ll do in just a moment because I got to wrap up. I got to do one more thing and then let’s do that.
Dr. Leman: All right.
Doug: So I just want to highlight something Dr. Leman said that if you’re not a person who reads whole books this is the book to get because then you just find the section, like if you’re struggling with your middle child, go read the middle child section. You don’t have to read the whole book to understand it, it will help you, but Birth Order Book now to the end of the year $2.99 of 2019 between now and the end of 2019 wherever eBooks are sold. And now a no-nonsense parenting moment with Dr. Kevin Leman.
Dr. Leman: Listen carefully. The man who is saying what he is about to say is really not off his rocker. Just stay with me for a little bit would you? Outside activities for kids are not good. Yes, you heard that right. Outside activities for kids. Now, Leman, Leman, Leman, there you go again. What do you mean outside activities aren’t good for kids? My kid is in Little League. We love Little League. Okay, you got me. I give up. Both hands are skyward. So let’s go with limit outside activities for kids, and here’s the problem, folks. If you have three children and each of them just has one outside activity you’re going to go bonkers trying to keep up with them. You’re going to be shuttling kids from one activity to another and at whose expense? At your expense. And check this out, I think at their expense as well because the more activity and the more people engaged in your kids’ lives when they’re young dilutes the indelible imprint that you get a chance to give to your own kids.
Dr. Leman: I think quite frankly, some of us are addicted to our own adrenaline that our own body produces from rushing from event to event. I marvel at how young families make it today when both of them are working and they have children and you want to put activities on top of that. So again, for you parents who have a little older kids it’s time for discussion around the dinner table to say, hey, you know what? I think we all have a little bit too much on our plate. What can we do this next year, this next semester? Any way you want to say it, this next month to limit things so that we have more time for ourselves, more time for each other, and more time for our family.
Doug: Alrighty, Dr. Leman. So now let’s get to the characteristics of a middle child and what I need to be looking out for to give them vitamin E and vitamin N?
Dr. Leman: Okay. Well, again, keep in mind that your true middle child is sandwiched with the same-sex kids on each side of them. So here’s your stereotypical description of a middle child. Fiercely loyal to their friends, competitive, able to roll with the punches. They hit the curve balls of life pretty good. They’re always getting curve balls thrown their way from either on top from the older sibling, or from the younger sibling. They’re natural mediators and negotiators. They’ve had to negotiate, provide everything they had in life, okay? They tend to be secretive. This is the kid that’s most likely when they’re troubled to go to their bedroom and whimper, or just suffer in silence, so to speak. So sometimes parents you got to find a way of coming around this kid.
Dr. Leman: Sometimes it’s just the physical touch. Sometimes it’s putting your arm around that son or that daughter and say, Honey, you seem a little distant. You seem like something’s bothering you and I don’t want to pry. Oh, that’s a good sentence. I don’t want to pry, but if there’s something that you want to talk about I’m all ears. So in other words, you want to try to keep those communication lanes open for that middle child. When that child speaks their mind, okay? Again, sometimes it might be laced with a little anger. I think it’s important that as a parent you’re talking about vitamin E now that you come around that kid and say, Honey, it’s really good to know that you’re brave enough to share how you really feel. So you want to look for ways as a parent to reinforce anytime that kid is not being secretive, he is being communicative, she is showing a real sense of transparency. You want to jump on that because that’s the kind of stuff you want to encourage.
Dr. Leman: The other stuff that’s negative that the middle child can certainly get into is nobody likes me. They can get the victim mentality. Again, that’s where some vitamin N comes into play because you don’t want to pay that off. Again, kids will use drama. If you have middle aged kids you know the word drama. Middle school kids I should say, sorry. There’s always drama in those years, and as a parent sometimes you have to let that kid just pour out all the drama and then sift through the drama to figure out what really happened and work toward holding kids accountable for the things they say and do in life. That’s very generic, but important for the middle child, too.
Doug: Great. So, Andrea, do you want to go through that list for us again?
Andrea: Okay, so they’re fiercely loyal to their friends. They’re highly competitive. They’re able to roll with the punches, and they can hit the curve ball. They are natural negotiators, but they are secretive and they suffer in silence. Then you gave us two tips. One for vitamin E, one for vitamin N. Whenever they do communicate or begin to be transparent to actually give them lots of vitamin E. Don’t criticize what they have to say. And don’t let them fall into the victim mentality that nobody likes me. That’s a good time for vitamin N.
Dr. Leman: Yeah, and see they can work you with nobody likes you. I think if you pursue that with a son or a daughter, you’re going to hear about how big brother or big sister did this or did that. I think as a parent, you come around and say, well, Honey, let me ask you something. Did you talk to your brother Daniel about that? Well, no. So you tell me what’s the best thing to do here? I guess I should talk to Daniel. Well, are you afraid to talk to Daniel? No, I’m not afraid. Well, go talk with him and tell him that he hurt your feelings. Just tell him the truth. If you need some help with it come by, I’ll be glad to listen in, but, again, I think you sort of point those victims on the road to success by whatever is going on in your life that’s causing you grief right now. It’s not going to get solved unless you talk to the source of the grief.
Andrea: What kind of roles do the middle children end up in generally in life?
Dr. Leman: Well, take the teaching profession. Nurses are firstborn and middleborn in huge numbers. They tend to use their skills of getting along with people. Again, they’ve negotiated for about everything they ever had in life, so they’re middle management people. You’re not going to find your typical middle child in high tech, in precision. Engineering, for example, very few middle children compared to firstborn.
Dr. Leman: I was at a banquet the other night at just one of those chicken dinner fundraisers and just meeting some people and this guy volunteered he was an electrical engineer. I just looked at him and said, “Oh, you’re firstborn son, aren’t you?” He looked at me like I was from the moon, and he said, “Yes,” but he had that look on his face like what does that have to do with anything? Well, I wasn’t going to go into birth order 101 with him, but if you meet an engineer in all probability they’re not the middle child. You meet a pilot, they’re not a middle child, an astronaut, not a middle child, I mean, so middle children tend to go in those avenues where their personality, their friendships pay off. So anything that’s relational you’re going to find a good number of middle children in it that’s their thing.
Doug: Well, we could keep going on middle children and this is why you wrote a book about it so that people can get total details. I want to remind you, Birth Order Book, between now and the end of 2019 for $2.99 wherever you get eBooks, and I’m just telling you get that book and then Have a New Kid by Friday, right? Pair those two together and you’re just going to be like, oh, light bulbs, light bulbs. I get it, I get it, I get it. So for your sake, please do that. Well, it’s great to talk to you and help you add to your parenting toolbox that you could love those kids more and more and more. And we look forward to the next time we get to be with you.
Andrea: And go ask that middle child what they’re thinking about this week.
Doug: Yeah, and see what they say.
Andrea: Yep.
Doug: Alrighty. Have a great one. Take care.
Andrea: Have a good week.
Doug: Bye-bye.
]]>When you’re a parent with multiple children, you learn quickly that some tactics that worked on one child are sometimes completely useless on the other. In this episode, Dr. Leman explains the benefits of changing up your parenting from child to child.
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Doug Terpening: So Dr. Leman says that kids are different, and therefore I have to parent differently. I think that’s way unfair. Some kids get something that others don’t. Doesn’t that seem wrong? Doesn’t it seem like kids going to be bitter. That kid A, got this, but kid B doesn’t, or kid C gets this earlier than this kid. It just seems wrong to me. But that’s the question we asked Dr. Leman. He says, if you have different kids, you have to parent differently on them. We’ll find out if he’s right or if I’m right.
Doug Terpening: Hi, I’m Doug Terpening.
Andrea: I’m Andrea.
Doug Terpening: We are so glad that you are with us. If this happens to be your first time with us, welcome and want to make sure that you know that this is for education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or your child, please go seek a local professional for help. So Dr. Leman, you love to say that we have to parent each kid differently because each kid is different. That seems very unfair and undoable. What do you mean by that?
Dr. Kevin Leman: Yeah, I’ll get to that in a minute, but I got a comment. No wonder people like you. We are so glad you joined us today. I mean, you’re like Mr. Happy Face on this podcast. You’ll get us going in a positive direction. And, I’m Andrea and she’s right there. Oh, this cute little couple from Oregon. Dr Leman says they have pigs and chickens and whatever on that farm. They live on whatever.
Dr. Kevin Leman: But, people love you and I want to say how much I appreciate you guys and you, you always start things off on a positive way and you always say, hey listen, this is for your entertainment education. If you’ve got a big problem here, go seek some help. And let me say this, if you’re going to seek help from somebody, find somebody who has a reputation for getting rid of you.
Dr. Kevin Leman: What does that mean? It means look for someone who believes in short term therapy of any kind. Okay? Don’t get locked in to seeing somebody for two years and we have easy payments and please don’t go. Don’t go there. Find somebody who’s practical. Who believes that behavior is learned, and that with proper changes on your part as a parent, you can see changes in your kid’s life.
Dr. Kevin Leman: So I forgot the question. Oh, I remember now. It was Dr. Leman. You say, you got to treat your kids differently. Yeah, you do have to treat your kids differently. I’ll give you a little vignette out my life. When our daughter number two was born, it was a great day. I was so excited to have another little daughter. I was so excited, I hit two little old ladies in an intersection at a red light, in their car. I should say. Drove them across the intersection. In their little Ford Pinto car, and the Ford Pinto, if you remember, was not much of a car.
Dr. Kevin Leman: I was driving my aunt’s big old 4 door Chevy sedan, which was probably twice as big as this little Pinto. And I damaged her car severely, and the Pinto was not in great shape either. I was so excited to have that little daughter but I remember looking at her the very first time I looked at her and I thought, she doesn’t look like Holly. That was my first thought. Well, Hey Leman, why should she look like Holly? She’s not Holly, she’s Kristin. Her given name is Kristin. The only person that ever called her Kristin was a motorcycle policemen. We call her Chrissy to this day. She’s the mother of two kids, married to Dennis for I think 20 years now. Anyway, your kids are different, and you know from biblical days forward, the firstborn son; talk about sexist, there it is. The first born son got more than his fair share of the father’s estate.
Dr. Kevin Leman: So we’ve always given preferential treatment to firstborns. And you firstborns know that you’ve been groomed for success and responsibility, because you grew up with things like, I don’t care what she did, I don’t care what you said. You’re the oldest. I expect more out of you young woman or young man. So from the right, from the get go, you’ve been blessed or cursed, with a mantra of responsibility. That’s why so many of you end up in leadership positions, because we’ve created scenarios in our home where you’re the natural leader of the cubs in the den. Yet if you look at the Cubs as they come out of the den, they’re all unique and different. That’s the magic of all this. I mean, I’m telling you, Doug and Andrea, people do not get sick of talking about birth order. It’s fascinating how these three little cubs or nine little cubs pick your number, come out of the den and they’re so different, and you hear it all the time.
Dr. Kevin Leman: My sister, my brother; night and day different. We have different interests, different jobs. Once in a while you’ll see a family where there’s four kids, three of them are young men and one young lady, and they’re all engineers. Very unusual, but you see it once in a while and guess what dad was? An engineer. So you have to treat kids differently. For those of you who are believers in the creator, almighty God, let me ask you a question. Does he treat us the same? Does all mighty God treat us the same? Do they all make us look alike? They give us the same gifts? Or tendencies? How about fingerprints? That’s a good one. Gave us all different fingerprints. So yeah, I’m not a preacher, but what the Bible says is, I knew you in your mother’s womb. I know the number of hairs on your head. Now, again, some of you are not people of faith.
Dr. Kevin Leman: You just forget what I said. Won’t bring it up again, just making a point. But the fact is kids are different. So it’s a smart parent, who treats their kids differently. And, It’s very natural for us. Just like I did one little Chrissy, was born to make a comparison. Comparisons get us in all kinds of trouble, and kids resent that. So firstborn, children have a need for order in their life. They’re detailed oriented. You’re going to have to meet some of those details in their life. Here’s the problem, Dr. Lehman, neither my husband or myself are detailed oriented. Uh oh, well then my guess is this little firstborn son or daughter is going to be running your life before too long. They’re going to be reminding you that we need to do this, and we’re late for that and it’ll, it’ll flush out one way or another but, just rest assured these kids are different.
Dr. Kevin Leman: They see life from behind their own individual lens, and they develop attributes and again, just for fun here. Firstborns: reliable, conscientious, lists makers, don’t like surprises. They tend to thrive in anything that’s perfectionistic, oriented. Occupations: doctors, surgeons, accountants, engineers, jewelers, anywhere where precision, architects, is the order of the day, you’re going to find an ordinance amount of first barn or only born children. It’s the political season if you haven’t noticed, but I was just looking at the candidates on the democratic side. Okay. Biden, firstborn, Mayor Pete, only child, Cory Booker, firstborn, Kamala, Harris, firstborn, Elizabeth Warren, firstborn daughter, three older brothers. She’s the first one if I remember to go to college and her family. Bernie, now Bernie says, I don’t want to get too political here, but Bernie says free everything. Of course, Bernie’s the baby of the family. Amy Klobuchar, whatever, how you spell her name or pronounce her name, I’m not sure, firstborn. It goes on and on and on. Beto O’Rourke, firstborn.
Dr. Kevin Leman: I mean, are our leaders okay? In the PTO, at your school, in your church council, your pastor, your rabbi, they’re firstborn children in an order at numbers. Why? Because we groomed them to be leaders in the family. Now let me give you a little hook on this. Put two parents who are very perfectionistic on top of that firstborn child. Not only are they perfectionistic, but they’re very critical. They’re always shoulding. That’s S, H, O, U, L, D, i, N, G on that firstborn. Over a period of time, they will turn that potentially perfectionistic firstborn son or daughter, into a slob, a procrastinator, one that ends up defeating themselves, and becomes very self critical as well as critical of other people. So I laid out all the attributes of the first barn. I said, okay, here’s just one variable and see how that can turn that Apple cart upside down. So this is all about relationships. Our relationships with our kids. But again, we can do a whole series probably on this topic, Doug and Andrea, because it’s got so many little nooks and crannies in it.
Andrea: So Doug asks, how do we parent fairly and differently? And you’ve just said that we parent the firstborn preferentially, so what does that, is that right? Is that wrong? And what does that mean for those lost middle children? Are we supposed to treat the firstborn preferentially? I’m, just curious.
Dr. Kevin Leman: I don’t think we should be concerned with parenting fairly.
Andrea: Alright.
Dr. Kevin Leman: I don’t think that ought to be the emphasis, let’s get that off the table.
Andrea: Okay.
Dr. Kevin Leman: I think what you need to focus on, is parenting differently. Some kids are talkers, some kids are non talkers. I mean, think of families you know. Think of the, first two children in a family that you know. Isn’t it true that they’re night and day different?
Andrea: Yeah.
Dr. Kevin Leman: Well see what happens in birth order when that second born comes in the world and they become cognizant of the world around them. Their world is very, very small, when they’re little. It’s mom and dad and older sibling, or grandma and grandpa. Eventually preschool, and so forth, but their world is very small, but even when they’re very small. They look up and they see this firstborn and whatever path that firstborn has chosen. That second born child is going to go in a different direction. That’s almost a guarantee lock. Does it happen in all families? No, it doesn’t, but in most families, overwhelmingly the second born takes another path. So, if you have little miss goody two shoes, in the firstborn position of the family, you may have very well find little Attila in the second position. Because she is going to go way out of her way to be just the opposite of what little miss goody two shoes is.
Dr. Kevin Leman: Again, if you want to read a fascinating book, and I mean fascinating, read The Birth Order Book. I mean many trees died in its honor. It’s sold like crazy over the years. I revised it for those of you who read the old birth order book years ago. The revised edition, which I think was revised maybe three years ago if I’m guessing right, maybe four years ago has 70% more material in it, more material, than the original version. Why? Because families have changed so much. We have so many divorce parents, so many blended families and just the nature of families has changed so, it’s an interesting read. But to answer your question and your observation, Andrea, pay attention to parenting your kids differently and don’t worry about the fairness factor.
Andrea: Okay.
Dr. Kevin Leman: Because I’m telling you life’s unfair. Your 16 year old would be driving the car. Your 14 year old is going to think it’s very unfair. It’s not unfair. The state of Oregon treats 16 year olds differently than the 14 year olds.
Doug Terpening: Well before I ask my question about how that feels wrong, that I actually should do fairly. I want to, since you brought it up, what’s really cool is right now the ebook promo is actually tThe Birth Order Book. So if you want the new revised version of The Birth Order Book was 70% more material. You can get it between now and December 31st of 2019 for less than a Starbucks, for $2.99. How will owning The Birth Order help me parent differently, Dr. Leman?
Dr. Kevin Leman: Oh wow. I’m so glad you mentioned Starbucks. My wife misses up. Hinton goes through Starbucks is $4.24. For a Starbucks. Give me a break. You can get The Birth Order Book. That’s a $16, $15.99 book, $16 book if I remember right. And by the way, I know we’re asking you, Hey, you can download it for a $1.99. Let me remind you, this is Christmas time. If you want to give a book that’s really going to help you figure out who you are, why you are the way you are, why your spouses the way they are, why your kids are the way they are. I don’t think there’s a better book to read than The Birth Order Book. The is part of the title The Birth Order Book. Some of you know this, I’ve said it many times. The original title was Abel had it coming and the publisher said, you can’t have a title like Abel had it coming.
Dr. Kevin Leman: I still liked that title. But nevertheless, to answer your question, it’s a five star rated book. It knocks it out of the park. The light will go on as you read the book. Oh, that’s why she is the way she is. That’s why I am the way I am. Wow. I never noticed that that variable of an age gap of five years starts another family. That’s why my younger brother, who’s the sixth born is a fanatic. He’s a perfectionist to beat the band. He’s an English professor and a prestigious university. Now it makes sense. And so many of the relationships that you deal with daily will begin to make sense when you read The Birth Order Book. If you’re a business person. Wow. Do people buy things differently? Do firstborn children buy things differently than youngest children? Yes. What are the implications for you in marketing your product or service?
Dr. Kevin Leman: I mean, there’s so many. Like I say little nooks, crannies, angles, so many useful things in The Birth Order Book. People always say, what’s the best book I’ve ever written? And I waiver. I have to tell you I waiver sometimes, but many times The Birth Order Book is what comes out of my mouth. Other times there’s a book I did called Sheet Music, which is a pretty blunt book about marital sex and marriage. It’s a, it’s a great one. Have a New Kid by Friday, Making Children Mind Without Losing Yours, The Way Of The Shepherd, which is a leadership book. There’s a lot of pretty good books out there, but this one I’m telling you, we’re offering it for $2.99. I’m telling you this is a great Christmas present for somebody.
Doug Terpening: So get it now. You only got a little while until December 31st to get this book for $2.99 between now and the end of 2019. Wherever eBooks are sold, this was Andrea’s, one of Andrea’s favorite books that she read and she learned a ton about herself through that book. So, highly recommend it. And now a no nonsense parenting moment with Dr. Kevin Leman.
Dr. Kevin Leman: Let’s talk about a word purposive. That’s a word you haven’t used today. You haven’t used this week, this month or probably this year. It’s not a word that easily sneaks its way into our vocabulary. It’s actually a psychological word derived from the school of individual psychology, which Alfred Adler who was a psychiatrist in Vienna many years ago, brought to our attention. This is the say that every social behavior your child engages in serves a purpose in a child’s life. All kids start off in life as attention getters, and they’re either going to get positive attention, or negative attention. So when a kid throws a temper tantrum ,or has a meltdown, what’s the purpose of nature of the behavior? That’s what I want you to ask yourself. The nature of the behavior is to show you that they are in authority over you. That they’re the ones that run the family.
Dr. Kevin Leman: And again, I’m here to tell you that there’s kids shortened a yardstick that are in full control of their families today. So the next time your kid acts up, or gives you that defiant look, and by the way, that kid that gives you the defiant look and then slams the door, and says, you’ll never let me do anything. There is your powerful child. Again, you have a powerful child. There’s a powerful parent nearby.
Dr. Kevin Leman: Power does not work in bringing up children today. Being in healthy authority over them, and being a person with limits, does a lot for kids self-esteem. Kids want boundaries, so purpose of behavior, serves a purpose in a child’s life for the powerful child. He simply says, I only count when I dominate, when in control. And of course the attention getter says, I only count a life when I put other people in my service or I get attention. In fact, you don’t even want me talking about the revengeful child, and there are around many of them have hit juvenile court in teenage years. They’re the ones whose mantra in life is, I feel hurt by life, therefore, I have a right to strike out at others. Hope you don’t have one of those at home. Take care. Have a great day and watch out for purposive behavior.
Doug Terpening: Okay. Dr. Leman, I’d like to come back to the issue of fairness, don’t be fair, but be different. Yet within the Terpening household, as our kids have gotten older, one of the common things that we’ve heard is the baby gets away with A, murder and B, she gets everything sooner. She, gets to stay up late earlier and she gets to do this earlier and they’re like, are we wrong? It seems wrong that people get different privileges at different times that we’re not creating competition or jealousy with our kids.
Dr. Kevin Leman: Well, a guy named Alfred Adler called it striving for superiority, and it’s a little bit like kids on top of a hill trying to be the King or Queen of the hill, where you push other kids down the sand pile or the dirt pile. So you’re always going to hear that from younger children ,about older children. Or, you’ll hear an oldest say something about the baby, the family. She gets away with murder, she gets anything she wants, he can do as he pleases. Well, there’s reasons for that. We were down as parents. I mean after the fourth child, give me a break. You’re just trying to get dinner. In fact I always like to say by the time the fourth born rolls around, we worried about everything the firstborn ever ate. Fourth born comes into your life, you grab some food and throw it on the floor and say dinner’s ready.
Dr. Kevin Leman: I mean there’s a wearing down, there’s a education as parents add to their quiver ,and bring another little cub into their den. So those kinds of things. I remember my all time great one-liner I use with my own kids ,because one would say, how come she got that? And I didn’t get that? Or whatever. I would say, honey, it’s because you know your mother and I love her so much more than we love you. It was obviously tongue in cheek and she’d roll her eyes and say, dad, cause she knew that wasn’t true. But, you just got to play with that stuff a little bit and realize that when a kid’s complaining about getting something, for example. Well honey, do you want me to treat you like a treat your little sister? Yes, the kid says, fine, your bedtime is now 8:30 instead of 9:00.
Dr. Kevin Leman: Oh no, I don’t mean that. What do you mean? You mean literally you’re just a hedonistic little sucker, who can’t stand the fact that your sister got something that you didn’t. I got news for you in life that’s going to happen. Other people are going to get things that you’re not going to get. It’s called reality discipline. And so what I’m posing to parents is the home is a microcosm of what your kids are going to experience in life. They’re going to experience disappointment, they’re going to experience things that aren’t fair or whatever. But our job is to try to help kids to deal with those curve balls in life. I think what we do here on our podcast, helps parents become much more resilient and much more authoritative, and much more well balanced. The kids are kids. They’re going to say and do stupid things. You’ve got to remember that the way it is. You’re the adult.
Doug Terpening: That’s really interesting to me in the fact that you say that we have to help our kids develop psychological muscles. And you’re saying, yeah, life is not fair. Home is not fair. Tell the kids that’s the reality of the way the world works. Mom’s not perfect, Dad’s not perfect. Build a bridge and get over it. Well you wouldn’t say that but, so you’re saying….
Dr. Kevin Leman: The flip side is we love each other, we care about each other, we encourage you, you can do this. Honey, I know it’s not easy. You know, I’ve told the story many times. I still remember being cut from the basketball team, and I got my clothes out of my locker and tucked them under my arm, and ran home with snow on the ground, crying my eyes out that I got cut. So you know, those things are still with us. My baseball coach said Leman. If he can’t play third, at least look like he can play third base and tuck your shirt in.
Dr. Kevin Leman: That same coach on a Saturday morning, we’re packing our gear to take a van down to Bloomington, Illinois, where we had a double header schedule with Illinois Wesleyan University. The coach walks by my locker and there’s two guys next to me. They’re packing up their stuff and he says, Leman and I don’t think we’re going to need you this weekend. You know? I mean, ouch. Yeah. I mean I’m old, I’m near death and still remember those things. But as moon had said, my best buddy, he said Leman, you know what? The fact that you graduated right near the bottom of the class and everybody said you’d never become anything, believe me, that’s one of the reasons why you were successful in life. And he’s probably right.
Doug Terpening: So you’re saying we don’t have to worry about being fair to our kids because A, we love them and we’re trying to do, right. B, you’re saying know, your kids. So know the differences. Like, you’re right, James loves order and he has said repeatedly to us when I have a family, we will be on time cause the Terpening’s are never on time. So he, it’s very funny, but know them, know those things about them. And, be aware of them, read The Birth Order Book, which will truly help you. But don’t worry about always being fair. Right? Know what your kids need and do that. And if you aren’t, it’s okay to say that’s just the way life is, for their sake actually. Did I get that right? Or what do I need to change?
Dr. Kevin Leman: I’m just so thankful you just decided to do this. A podcast today and you know, birth order is so old hat to me. I mean I live it, breathe it and, we just scratched the surface today. I hope that you’ll schedule some more where we can go into a birth order. So far we’ve said, Hey, treat your kids differently. We talked about the firstborn and the leadership, but the poor middle children, they’ve said, Hey, I haven’t even mentioned as well. I just did. I just said middle children, so don’t say I didn’t say it.
Andrea: I was going to ask about them.
Doug Terpening: Andrea as a recovering middle child.
Dr. Kevin Leman: Yeah. I’m suggesting that we, we do a podcast on middle children. A podcast all for themselves, all middle children, and then we’ll do what I’m maybe the youngest child, or maybe the only child. I think we should do several podcasts is what I’m saying at birth order. I think that would be good. I think people tend to enjoy them. That’s my take. I get a lot of feedback that “give us more on birth order”. So I’ll let you be the judge of that. You guys are the boss of me.
Doug Terpening: Well thank you for that suggestion, and also thank you for freeing us from having to be perfect and always fair to our kids. And that we can tell them this is the way the real world works, and not feel like terrible parents as long as we’re not just abusing it, right? But that’s kind of freeing to say to our kids.
Andrea: Well, like you pointed out, Doug, we have to know each kid and we have to know what they need and what their struggles are.
Doug Terpening: And you’re great at that, Andrea. Like this morning, my lovely wife pulled me aside and said, you know what honey, I think you need to do this with the child because you’re not doing it. And I said, why? She said, I think because they need it. Right. So yeah. Thanks
Andrea. Anything else? Dr. Leman as we wrap up?
Dr. Kevin Leman: Well, you know what? In most, marriages, isn’t it true that one of us is more perceptive of social relationships?
Doug Terpening: Yep. And that’s why it’s important to listen to each other, and know what the other person can do.
Dr. Kevin Leman: Yeah.
Doug Terpening: Absolutely.
Dr. Kevin Leman: Yeah. Well, I hope we’ll. How much time do we have left? Are we winding it down?
Doug Terpening: We are actually at the end here. We are regretfully. So we’ll have to add another one in about the middle children. How do you help parent the middle children? Andrea look at her.
Andrea: We’re both middle children Doug.
Doug Terpening: I’m the first boy and I was the privileged one.
Andrea: Oh I see you got preferential treatment because you were the boy.
Dr. Kevin Leman: Yeah, he does have some privilege. Yeah. I think it’d be good too, to talk about why it’s important to get behind the eyes of that second child, that middle child, that youngest child.
Andrea: We’ll do that next time.
Dr. Kevin Leman: To see how, how they see life. So if you can help remember that on a future podcast, let’s tackle that as well.
Doug Terpening: We’ll do that next week. Get behind the eyes of the middle child. Well we’ll wrap this one up. Thank you guys for being here and thank you Dr. Leman again for helping us realize that we’re trying to raise adults, and not perfect children,, and that part of life is life’s not fair and don’t, lie to your kids and make it that way. And thank you. Also, Baker Books for offering The Birth Order Book for $2.99 between now and the end of the year, which is, please read it for your sake again to understand yourself and then your kids will help you out.
Andrea: It’s fascinating and fun to read.
Doug Terpening: It is fun to read. It is a really fun, and thank you for everyone that joined us today. We love being with you and we look forward to the next time to add to that parenting toolbox so you can love those kids more and more.
Andrea: Have a good one.
Doug Terpening: Take care. Bye bye.
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Doug: Woohoo. It’s that magical time of the year again, when we get together with people that we love, but we hate to be with them. How do you deal with the holidays? How do you deal with having the people you’re supposed to love, but it ends in yelling and fights, and just that awkward silence? That’s the question we get to ask Dr. Leman today.
Doug: Hi, I’m Doug Terpening.
Andrea: And I’m Andrea.
Doug: And we are so happy that you are with us today, and welcome to the holiday season. And if you’re hearing this after the holiday season, welcome to post holiday seasons, but for those of us that are listening currently, it’s the holiday season, and we get to ask Dr. Leman about this. If this is your first time with us, we want to let you know that this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or a child, please go seek a local professional for help.
Doug: Well, Dr. Leman, I may have asked this question years ago, but I’m going to ask it again. Did you ever get that sweet gift when you were a kid that you’re like, “Oh, I always remember the” blah-blah-blah gift?
Dr. Leman: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. We were poor to begin with, okay? As a kid, we had stockings, but they were filled with things like oranges, tangerines, nuts. If there was a little goodie in there, you were lucky. So we didn’t have much in terms of things.
Dr. Leman: And one of the Christmas gifts I remember best was I saw this yellow with a blue stripe down the center of it football helmet that I wanted, and I was probably eight, nine, 10 years old. But I knew my parents couldn’t afford that. But I’d walk by this sporting goods store, and I’d see it. I’d wish for it, and, again, I just knew I wouldn’t get it. But I remember that Sunday morning coming down the stairs, and seeing the Christmas tree, and flicking on the lights, and seeing this bright yellow helmet under the tree.
Dr. Leman: Yeah, I think we all have those memories of little things, big things early in our childhood that surprised us or whatever. We tend to remember little things in life. I wrote a book about early childhood memories. It’s a fascinating book to read, by the way. If somebody tells me, “Hey, have you got a fascinating book to read,” I would say, “Yeah, read what your early childhood memories say about you. It helps connect a lot of the dots.”
Dr. Leman: So, yeah. To answer your question, yeah.
Doug: So today’s question for you is at the holiday season, we get back together with people that we love, but often it can end in yelling, or the classic silence and everybody just watches the football game, and hopes that it ends soon. And mom’s trying to make everybody happy. How do we deal with all those crazy [crosstalk 00:02:52]-
Dr. Leman: You forgot drunk Uncle Harold. Yeah. Oh, gosh, I’ve heard so many stories.
Dr. Leman: The Christmas season that we’re surely into is supposed to be this joyous, euphoric time, where we celebrate the Lord’s birth, and we have drifted so far away from that. We’re not even close. It’s become a sideshow in so many ways. I remember being in I think it was Costco in maybe late September, early October, and they had all the Christmas things in there, and I thought, “Oh my goodness, this is crazy.”
Dr. Leman: So yeah, sugar plums are supposed to be dancing in our heads, and so many people, the stress level in their life has ramped up because it’s your husband’s turn to have his family come for the holidays, or it’s your wife’s turn for her family to show up.
Dr. Leman: And all I ask people to do is to think back to last Christmas. Now, some of you have repressed last Christmas. I’m a shrink. I understand that, okay? Try to pull that up. I know you don’t want to remember it, but what was it like? Now, ask yourself this question: is there a snowball’s chance in H-E-double-hockey-sticks that it’s going to be any different this year, and if so, why? Some of you are saying because Uncle Harold passed away in June. My condolences. But, again, whatever was is going to repeat itself when it comes to getting family together because all the old rivalries, whatever they are …
Dr. Leman: We all grew up in different families. What do I mean by that? Your sister, who was six years older than you were, grew up in a different family. Your brother, who was two years older than you, grew up in a different family because with the birth of each child, the family changes. And we all have our biased perceptions of what reality is, and we take that baggage, so to speak, into our relationship, and now you’re joined in holy matrimony with this man or woman, and all of their baggage comes together. We’ve said many times on our podcasts when two people marry, it’s actually at least six because you marry your in-laws.
Dr. Leman: And so all these ingredients are an explosion waiting for an Ohio blue tip match to be struck, and that’s why people hate the holidays in terms of getting together with family.
Dr. Leman: And one of my primary suggestions to you today is if you have family invading your home, that is one of the biggest complaints that I’ve heard about over the years, I would suggest finding an alternate place for the invaders to spend the days with you over the holidays, no matter how many days those are. Which means a hotel, and a lot of places have great specials over the holiday season because they don’t have the business traffic that they have. There’s lots of creative ways you can do that. Sometimes you just have to have some straight talk with your relatives and say, “Listen, you know what? If you recall, last year ended up with a big fight, and everybody went home very unhappy, and we haven’t talked much about it since then.” And that’s usually what happens when there’s a blowout. “Do we really want to get together this Christmas? Do you feel obligated? I feel obligated. I don’t know if you feel the same way as I do.”
Dr. Leman: But I’d have that kind of a talk, and maybe you agree not to get together this holiday season. And somebody saying, “Now, wait a minute. Our mom is in her eighties, and we don’t know how much longer she’s going to be on this earth, and we think it’s important to get together.” Well, then put on the big boy pants, big girl pants, solve the problems that need to be solved, and enjoy Mom and the holidays. Find a way to enjoy it, but it might take some restructuring of how you all come together so when you’re together, you have some rest periods in neutral corners, meaning they’re not under roof for five days, or whatever it is.
Dr. Leman: So that’s my initial thoughts on the topic that you’ve thrown out this morning, Doug and Andrea.
Andrea: I’m thinking about it as a parent, and sometimes maybe there’s some tension between me and my sisters, or with my parents, or in-laws, but my kids, for the most part, have really good memories of being together with their cousins and aunts and uncles and grandparents. But I don’t want them to be tainted by the little explosions or big explosions that happen. So as this is a parenting podcast, and we’re talking about helping our kids, what suggestions do you have for us as parents so that we can make this positive for our kids? Because I do want them to have a relationship with their grandparents. I do want them to have a good relationship with their aunts and uncles, and have fun times with their cousins in their jammies by the fire. That’s what I’m thinking about.
Dr. Leman: Well, you’ve unearthed a nugget, as you usually do, for us to think about because the reality is … See, the tension is at the adult level, and the kids, for the most part, oblivious to what’s going on. The kids get informed when you’re driving home from Uncle Harold’s house, and you start badmouthing Uncle Harold and Aunt Mabel. So the damage is done after the fact where the kids are hearing poisonous conversations about people that they love and they have fun with. Not that they have fun with the adults, per se, as much as they do with the kids, the cousins and stuff.
Dr. Leman: But I remember as a kid just go into uncles’ homes and, us kids, we’d be running the whole time. We were just into one thing and another. And if somebody had a new toy, today it’s video games and so forth, we were playing those games because they were new to us. There was something that they had at that house that we didn’t have at our house, et cetera. And, again, I think kids for the most part are oblivious about what’s going on with parental friction.
Dr. Leman: But, again, I caution you as parents, don’t bring that up in the car on the way home from an evening with friends, or relatives, or what have you. If you want to talk about that, talk about that in the privacy of your home without little ears listening. But I think your point’s a great one, Andrea. Thank you for bringing that up.
Doug: Since Andrea has helped us think this is a parenting podcast, are there steps that we can take today with our kids so that when we’re the old folks and we’re Grandma and Grandpa that it’s a pleasant experience for them?
Dr. Leman: I think the job you do, number one, as a parent today is a pretty good predictor of how close those Terpening kids are going to be someday. When you guys are old and foggy, okay, my guess is those four kids are going to be really close, and their moments that they share with hopefully Grandma and Grandpa at that stage will be cherished by them.
Dr. Leman: I know myself, I get notes from my kids. “Dad, I cherish every moment I have with you.” Every moment. How cool is that? I’m telling you, parents, what you do today in rearing your kids, and we’re glad you’re listening to this podcast because we think this podcast offers a lot of practical help for parents to be good parents. And notice we’re not saying you ought to be a great parent. Just a good parent. You’re flawed to the core to begin with, so who’s kidding who?
Dr. Leman: But if you have that good relationship with your kids, that’s going to come back to you later on in life, I think, Doug.
Doug: So let’s play the Christmas scenario. We’re at … was it Uncle Harold’s house? Right? And all of a sudden, Aunt May and Uncle Harold have decided they’re going to do their normal fight, and all of a sudden the tension rises in the room. Help us as adults then. We’re there. It’s awkward for all of us. What should our mindset be then so that it doesn’t affect our kids? What would you say to that?
Dr. Leman: Yeah, I think somebody gives the time-out sign, and usually where you’re revisiting things. You’re digging up old bones. That’s usually what happens. It’s usually not something that’s new to everybody. It’s an old bone that somebody’s digging up and throwing in somebody’s face. Some adult has to say, “Hey, time out. This is not the time to talk about this. We have lots of young ears here. Let’s talk about that another time.” Okay? In other words, don’t put the dog and pony show in front of all the kids.
Dr. Leman: And that’s why I say to parents don’t talk about or bad mouth family or friends or whatever in the car on the way home, because the kids are listening and they’re taking notes. So keep the peace, let the peace flow. I think you have to bend. Everybody has to bend a little bit to make things good.
Dr. Leman: And, again, if it’s every year, and it doesn’t get better, then, parents, think about maybe doing things different this year at the adult level, where you’re just not under the roof all the time.
Doug: I have a question about how to get that done, but before I ask that question, I want to talk about the ebook release, which is kind of interesting because the title is Stopping Stress Before It Stops You for $1.99 December 3 through 16 of 2019. How would this book help us when we’re talking about this, Dr. Leman?
Dr. Leman: Well, stress is a part of our life every day, okay? But in that book, I ask some pretty tough questions. Questions like what are your feelings going to be standing next to the coffin of your wife next Friday? What are your feelings going to be standing next to the coffin of your husband next Saturday? I ask questions in that book that help you focus in on what’s really important in life, and stress is, like I say, it’s a part of our everyday living, but lots of times we create the stress.
Dr. Leman: There’s an author, Dr. Archibald Hart, who makes the point that he thinks that we become addicted to our own adrenaline our body produces because we live such a hurried lifestyle. The “busy hands are happy hands” theory. So, anyway, it’s a book that’s full of practical suggestions about taking a look at the priorities in your life, and how to deal with stress, even from a physical standpoint.
Dr. Leman: I know in private practice for approximately 40 years when people were just anxious and stressed, I always said, “Physical exercise is really a good release for that,” and it is. Talk to your physician about what just a 20 minute brisk walk will do for your numbers when you have your blood work done. So physical, and then there’s emotional release by talking about things that bother you. It’s just a very handy, practical book. It’s been around forever, and so has stress, and all these books-
Doug: And it’s not going away.
Dr. Leman: Yeah. All these books that we offer are practical and helpful, and at $1.99, give me a break.
Doug: For $1.99 to reduce stress in your life, which everybody feels in increased quantities. So get it now between now and December 16th of 2019. And now a no-nonsense parenting moment with Dr. Kevin Leman.
Dr. Leman: Listen carefully. The man who is saying what he is about to say is really not off his rocker. Just stay with me for a little bit, would you? Outside activities for kids are not good. Yes, you heard that right. Outside activities for kids.
Dr. Leman: Now, Leman, Leman, Leman. There you go again. What do you mean, outside activities aren’t good for kids? My kid is in Little League. We love Little League. Okay, you got me. I give up. Both hands are skyward. So let’s go with limit outside activities for kids. And here’s the problem, folks. If you have three children, and each of them just has one outside activity, you’re going to go bonkers trying to keep up with them. You’re going to be shuttling kids from one activity to another, and at whose expense? At your expense. And, check this out, I think at their expense as well, because the more activity and the more people engaged in your kids’ lives when they’re young dilutes the indelible imprint that you get a chance to give to your own kids.
Dr. Leman: I think, quite frankly, some of us are addicted to our own adrenaline that our own body produces from rushing from event to event. I marvel at how young families make it today when both of them are working and they have children, and you want to put activities on top of that?
Dr. Leman: So, again, for you parents who have little older kids, it’s time for discussion around the dinner table to say, “Hey, you know what? I think we all have a little bit too much on our plate. What can we do this next year, this next semester? Any way you want to say it, this next month, to limit things so that we have more time for ourselves, more time for each other, and more time for our family?”
Doug: So Dr. Leman, we’ll all be transparent on the Terpening Family side of things, clan. We historically have the same family dynamics that some adults want to watch football and some adults hate football, and some adults want to eat bad food and some adults want to eat good food, and some adults are like, “I have older kids,” and I have younger kids. And like to suggest something can create tension, let alone trying to get everybody to go forward.
Dr. Leman: Let’s talk about bad food for a second. Wouldn’t it be fun-
Andrea: No! No!
Dr. Leman: When we have a lot of people over, okay, and my wife is Martha Stewart on steroids. Okay? She’s very creative. She presents things great. She’s a great cook. Lots of times because we have maybe 12 people over at the house, or 14, for dinner, rather than serve everybody, she’ll put everything out in our kitchen and whatever you call the counter, I guess-
Andrea: The island?
Dr. Leman: In the middle of the kitchen. Yeah, it’s soap something. Soapstone. I know that. Somebody asked her the other day, “Is this soapstone?” It’s soapstone, whatever that means.
Dr. Leman: And I think it’d be fun to put little flags, little sticky notes, like they look like flags. I’m looking at the one I have in front of me right now. It’s like those little yellow pads, only mine says Leman Academy of Excellence on it. But wouldn’t it be fun to put little toothpicks in food and say “Good food,” “Bad food,” “Good food.”
Andrea: No, they should have a particular color. Green for good, red for bad.
Dr. Leman: All I’m saying, I think when you have something that’s really rich and full of calories that are fat or whatever, McDonald’s even posts how many calories in their things. I think you could have fun with stuff like that when you have people who have such diverse tastes, and if I’m hosting that, I’m going to keep that in mind because you got old Uncle Marvin that hasn’t eaten a vegetable in his life, so you better have some potatoes for the guy or he’s going to die.
Dr. Leman: And so you’ve got the meat and potato person, and then you got a guy who has got celery breath he eats so much of it. You have an array.
Dr. Leman: The other thought on your question is for some of us, I think you have to have this conversation between the two adults in your home. “Hey, honey, it’s only three days. And I know these are really three tough days on you, and believe me, they’re not pleasant for me either. But let’s face it, I’m a little better at dealing with your family than you are. So tell me, how can I help you during these three days that are coming? Let me know. Just tell me what I can do, and I’ll do my best to help you.”
Dr. Leman: “Conversely, here’s some things you can do for me.” So there’s an even exchange of, “Okay, here’s three things you can do for me, and three things I can do for you. We switch those things. Here we are. We’re looking at it. We know what we expect of each other, and then we’re facing the enemy that is your relatives jointly on the same page.”
Dr. Leman: And that’s the best I can offer. If you’re going to have them around, then you need to get on the same page. Ask each other what we can do to help each other get through this, and go from there.
Dr. Leman: Activities are great. When you’re all together, you find that there’s a special down the road on horseback riding for everybody, or you name it, an activity or bowling. Get them out of the house. Let them go and do some things together. Have weird Uncle Marvin take the kids bowling, or ice skating, or you name it. Be activity driven.
Dr. Leman: I always tell people when they’re nervous about dating and all that, go out on an activity. Activity gives you other things to focus on other than just the two of you. So I think that makes sense. These are difficult. There’s no lockstep, “here’s your answer wrapped with a bow.” You’ve got to be creative with these things.
Doug: Well, and because it’s a parenting podcast, I want to come back to how you helped us, Andrea, keep it on point is that, A, if you can make it more fun for your kids, they’re going to have better memories of, like you said, Dr. Leman, of Christmastime. And then they’re going to want to be around with you. But if you’re always bad mouthing everybody, they’re going to think Christmases are miserable.
Doug: But I got to go back to something you just said. So a couple of years ago, we did exactly what you did. We separated into multiple houses, and then sweet Mrs. Terpening planned all these activities, which upset some people, but she still planned all these activities for people. And people will tell you it was the best Christmas we had, right? Because we were out and about, and we didn’t stay inside the house. You’re absolutely right. And we even did have some bad food, good food.
Andrea: Without flags.
Dr. Leman: All right, so listen. If you guys need more help, write to Mrs. Terpening in care of general delivery, Oregon, and she will personally answer your letter.
Doug: No, I’m just affirming to you. We just stumbled upon it, really. Yeah, you said it more succinctly and well. So that’s great news.
Doug: So we hope that this helps all of you parents that as you’re jumping into this season, for your sake and for your kids’ sake, I thought that was a great question, Andrea. Don’t badmouth Uncle Harold and Aunt May for what they do, and how much you’re upset. And if you are, do it privately for their sake. And remember, the kids think it’s great. And find solutions, and don’t argue in front of the kids. Go to hotels, not all under the same roof, and do activities, and your kids will enjoy the activities. So that’s a great one.
Doug: Well, thanks for being with us, and we hope this helps you as you come to the holiday seasons, and that it adds another tool to your parenting toolbox, so that you can just have a great time for the holidays and love those kids.
Andrea: Have a great week.
Doug: Look forward to next time. Take care.
Andrea: Bye-bye.
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Doug: On today’s podcast Anita tells us her child is incredibly gifted academically and has been since birth. But now at age seven she’s gifted in meltdowns. Dr Leman, help us figure out what do I do with these meltdowns? That’s the question we get to ask Dr Leman and we get to hear his answer.
Doug: Hi, I’m Doug Terpening.
Andrea: And I’m Andrea.
Doug: And we are so glad that you are with us today. It is just a joy to be with you. And we just want to let you know if this happens to be your first time, this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or a child, please go seek a local professional for help. If you’re listening for your first time or you’ve bounced around and you haven’t heard this yet, I’ll say it real quick. Go to birthorderguy.com/podcastquestions and leave us questions right there. So let’s hear Anita’s question.
Anita: Hi there, Dr Leman. My name is Anita. My husband Brad and I live in central Alberta, Canada. And I just wanted to take a minute and say thank you so much for the podcast. They’re a huge help to me as well as your books.
Anita: We have two beautiful daughters, ages seven and one. And I am a homeschooling stay at home mom to a very academically gifted seven year old. We have known from day one that this little girl just does everything with just that little bit extra, and to this day that includes her meltdowns. Her wheels turn just that much faster than your average kid, and then mine frankly.
Anita: And my biggest challenge, especially since we are homeschooling so she can work at her own speed, is how to just consistently navigate her turbulent waters. Being a gifted child, her development is incredibly asynchronous. Her academic intelligence, I guess just progress’s that much faster than her emotional intelligence. So what is the best thing that I can be doing and my husband can be doing as her parents to navigate this challenge? Thank you so much.
Dr. Leman: Well, we have a future jeopardy contestant on our hands. Little miss seven year old. Well, let me tell you what I normally tell people who have kids who are gifted, and I’m not trying to be smart or sarcastic, but I usually say my condolences, because really academically gifted children tend to have more than their share of mental problems as they get older. They can be a handful and as you said, life can be turbulent in her world and emotional meltdowns.
Dr. Leman: Okay, class everybody in the podcast. What is the purpose of nature of a meltdown? What’s the purpose? Where did that meltdown come from? Did it come from the cereal seven year old ate in the morning? Was it something that mom dispensed to her one way? Or another or is it true that she created the meltdown, distributed that meltdown for a purpose? Now, sometimes that purpose is just for release with kids who are academically gifted. Why is that? Why would I say that? Because they have expectations for themselves much higher than they need to be. And so as a teacher, you’re homeschooled in this kid, I would watch my level of expectation I had for my seven year old. And to be functional with you and practical with you, when the meltdown occurs, school is over for the day. That’s it. Because these meltdowns, my guess is, are going to become worse and they’re going to be become more frequent. So you want to try to nip them in the bud as best you can.
Dr. Leman: Again, kids that are academically gifted tend to be perfectionists and so the meltdowns come when all of a sudden things don’t line up the way seven year old thinks they ought to be. And she needs a good dose of reality discipline where she sees that life isn’t always perfect. I think conversations between seven year old and mom and dad along the line of things that we have learned in life where we have failed, should be highlighted conversations in your home.
Dr. Leman: I think homeschooling a kid like this can really be a tall task for a mom or dad. Personally, I would not do that. I would have that kid in a school and I would supplement whatever school offers, in the home. I’m assuming your seven year old is a veracious reader, and as I’ve said on podcast many times, if your kid’s a veracious reader, don’t worry about their education, they’re going to teach themselves because they’re going to be so curious. They’re going to be going from one book to another to another.
Dr. Leman: So for openers, those are my initial thoughts, Anita, about kids who are academically gifted.
Andrea: Do you think that mom or dad or mom and dad are perfectionist as well?
Dr. Leman: They could be, very well, yeah. Here’s what you have to hear, Anita, perfectionism is slow suicide. It guarantees unhappiness in life. The joy of life is giving it your best shot, knowing you did good, not that you did perfect.
Dr. Leman: I love to use the examples of woodworkers. If you’ve ever met anybody who is a true craftsman. Now when I say craftsmen, craftswoman, craftsman, I don’t care, either sex, but people who can take raw wood and make things out of it. You talk about a gift and a talent, that’s it. But watch what happens when their display or someone finds out that they made a cabinet or a gun rack or whatever they made, people begin to Ooh and ahh over it. I’ve talked to enough of these people to know what goes inside their mind. They’re thinking, if you only knew that small flaw on the backside, you’d never say that. Because these people who are so skilled have an innate ability to find the little minute flaw. I call it the spit in your soup. It’s that one little thing, but it ruins everything.
Dr. Leman: And people who are very skilled and very perfectionistic in their trade, whether they’re engineers or accountants, anywhere where perfectionist paid off, if you throw him a curve ball, most of those people do not handle those curve balls well, because they live on the all or none theory. And that might be part of what the frustration you’re little seven year old is having in your home. And if the lovely Mrs. Terpenings analysis is correct, that may be a mom or dad is also a perfectionist, that would be, I think in a longterm disastrous as you continue to try to teach her if you’re a perfectionist yourself.
Andrea: So if you could paint a picture, kind of role playing almost, this little girl now has had her meltdown and it’s 10:00 AM and you said that Anita should stop school for the day. What would you suggest they do for the rest of the day now that she’s had a meltdown?
Dr. Leman: I think that seven year old ought to do whatever she’d like to do.
Andrea: Oh, okay.
Dr. Leman: But she asked to know that for the school day, she got an incomplete. I don’t know what the grade system is in her home or if they even used one, but there should be a negative connotation that’s given to her for the meltdown because I didn’t create it as the teacher. The kid created the meltdown.
Andrea: But what if this girl, what she wants to do now is to go and dive back into her math because she’s got to prove to herself and to the world that she can still do it? I could see this happening where as a perfectionist, what I want to do now is get back into school and mom’s saying, I can’t. Would there be something else like mom says we’re going to go-
Dr. Leman: Yeah, school is over today.
Andrea: We’re going to go to the park and you’re just going to play like a kid, get away from the books.
Dr. Leman: And that’s great. I think going to the park and whatever and chill on whatever you’re doing or go to the zoo, I have no problem with that at all. But I have no problem with a kid going to her bedroom and reading or whatever. But school’s over for the day. You need a way of conveying that. I’m not going to go through this meltdown thing, because with the meltdown goes all the drama. Again, and the reason the drama continues is because somebody paying attention to the drama or that to a dissipate into thin air. And if you want to have a meltdown, I’d really appreciate it if you’d just have it in your room or depending upon where you live, of course, she lives in the middle of Alberta so you wouldn’t say, honey, go outside. It’s only 30 degrees bellow.
Doug: So I’m surprised that, or maybe you did slightly say this, is that, by Anita saying my child is very or extremely gifted, you set this girl up almost for failure by already putting her at this elevated spot. And you’ve said multiple times on this podcast that most people are not truly gifted individuals. That what we labeled gifted is really not. How do we help Anita find out if this child really is truly gifted or if she’s just setting, like you said, expectations that are wrong for this child?
Dr. Leman: Well, listen, Doug, that’s a good point. Sometimes parents, I’ve had parents look me in the eye and tell me their child is gifted because they can count from one to 10 backwards and the kid’s three years old. I’ve had parents say, I’m making this up. There are ways of having kids evaluated obviously through your school systems and all that.
Dr. Leman: I’m just saying it can be oil and water if a parent is a perfectionistic person themselves. I think these kids need encouragement and they need a lot of time sharing life with kids their own age. Now my guess is the little seven year old doesn’t have a lot of friends her age, I’d bet anything on that. My guess is if she’s got a friend, the friend might be 12 years old for example, and she’s seven, because these kids, and I know there’s a little baby age one in the family, but she’s functionally an only child. There’s a six year gap between her and the little one. So she’s grown up an only child, which means there’s a right way to do things and perfection is paid off. And again, what she needs more than academic training is social capabilities. And the only way to develop those social capabilities is to be around other kids.
Dr. Leman: So I would be looking for some things if I’m homeschooling the child or part of the curriculum, so to speak, is being in a group with other kids, doing activities of various kinds.
Doug: Well before we finish with our questions, I want to make sure that I let you know about the ebook promotion that’s available right now, and actually I don’t know if I’ve ever seen this title before, so I’m very curious to find out what this book is about. So the ebook is Stopping Stress Before It Stops Yo, for a $1.99 from December 1st to the 16th of 2019. So Dr Leman, what is the book Stopping Stressed Before It stops You about?
Dr. Leman: I’ll tell you, but we’re going to give Andrea a quiz first. Andrea, here’s a quiz. I know you can handle this. What’s the number one stressor in a woman’s life?
Andrea: Her husband.
Dr. Leman: Just one word [inaudible 00:12:05].
Andrea: What’s the second stressor in a woman’s life?
Dr. Leman: Kids. Okay. What’s the third stressor in a woman’s life?You’re doing very well by the way.
Andrea: Her friends or keeping up her home.
Dr. Leman: Okay, that’s all good. All right. I did a survey and I surveyed woman with simple, it was a simple survey named the three stressors in life. Number one was children. Number two was husband. Number three was… Do you want to take a shot at it Doug?
Doug: I would’ve thought it was keeping up with my other girlfriends, like having to appear.
Dr. Leman: All right, well we’re close. It’s time. Time. Women today have a hard time finding time just to do what’s on their plate, but certainly finding time for me, as they say. Me time. So that book is about challenging women to understand that stress is a killer. It can really take its toll and stress tends to come out where? Our stomach, our back, our neck, headaches, all those kinds of things. And it’s a very practical way of getting people to see what’s really important in life. So it’s sort of a value driven book in many ways. And how to prioritize, for example, with children. I know it’s number one is stressor, but how much of the stress do you create by not keeping them responsible and accountable for what they do? It’s that kind of thing.
Dr. Leman: But it’s a good little book and it’s been around for a long time. I revised it several years ago. I can’t tell you exactly when, but Stopping Stress Before It Stops You. There’s a warning in that title. Stress is not good for us.
Doug: I don’t, I don’t know if I like you asking Andrea the questions because her first stress was me. I’m thinking, huh, this is a new one for me-
Andrea: No, that’s not how he asked the question. He said, “What it is the women’s number one?
Doug: Yeah, right. Whatever, whatever. Now that I know that I’m her biggest pain in the rear, I can move on. Thanks Andrea. Great day. Thanks Dr Leman. Glad job on our marriage. Appreciate it bud.
Doug: So Stopping Stress Before It Stops You, $1.99.
Dr. Leman: listen, if it’ll give feel better Doug, I’m going to give you the father of the year award. How’s that? And husband of the year. There you go. You’ve got two awards here.
Doug: Oh wow. Do I get a coupon to a restaurant with it or not? So, okay, moving on. Stop Being Stressed Before It Stops You, $1.99, December 1 through 16 of 2019. And now and no nonsense moment with Dr Kevin Leman.
Dr. Leman: Late breaking news folks, your marriage makes a difference. In whose life well obviously in your life or your mate’s life. But how about your children? Do you realize those little suckers are taking emotional, spiritual, psychological notes every day of their life? They’re looking up at you. And so if your words are encouraging to one another, wow, that goes right into the heart and mind of that youngster. Do they hear you fight, dis put each other down? Guess what? That goes right to the heart of your child as well.
Dr. Leman: Kids need to feel safe. And when they hear parents going after each other, fighting, putting each other down, that forms dissonance in the child’s life. That’s a little bit like what psychologists do to laboratory rats. They run them down a T-maze and they give them a electric shock to their feet when they turn left. So the little rat soon learns to turn right and get the pallet of food, while these sick demented psychologists then turn tables on the poor little rat tone and they give him electric shock to his feet when he goes the other way. So he figures out, wait a minute, I got to go back the other way if I want a pallet, a food. And then again, these horrid psychologists, what do they do? They give that poor little rat electric current to his feet, no matter if he turns left or turns right. So guess what? The little rat does? In utter frustration, there he is at the end of the T-maze, and he jumps up and down to try to keep away from the electric current in pure frustration. He’s like the proverbial deer with the headlights on him. He doesn’t know what to do.
Dr. Leman: That’s what you do to your kids when you fight, when you put each other down, call each other names, at worse yet called them names as well. So your words matter and your marriage matters. Every day, make that conscious effort to be respectful to each other. The dividends are better than gold in your bank account.
Doug: So Dr Leman, meltdowns for a child, as you said, it comes from the parents. It comes from all sorts of things around them. I would also like to say what book would help parents who are dealing with meltdowns get the broader picture so they know how to deal with them that you have written? Which one would you recommend?
Dr. Leman: That’s an easy one. I think the Have A New Kid By Friday is… Parents, if you want a quick fix and you want quick ideas and you’re about to commit Harry Carey and you don’t want to do, read, Have A New Kid By Friday. It will give you hope. When you close the book, I think you’ll say, I’m ready for him. That book and Making Children Mine have sold almost 2 million copies, to give you an idea. That’s a lot of books for a reason.
Doug: That’s why I was about to say. I think it’s such a great suggestion, Have A New Kid By Friday is so easy to read and so practical.
Doug: Okay, so back to Anita and meltdowns. Remind us again, when a kid throws him out down, now we’re not talking about Anita, but we’re talking about just general kids, so five or seven old who throws a melt down in front of me. What do you recommend in a general term for us? A first step on how to deal with the meltdowns for that mom or dad?
Dr. Leman: Well, people always say to you ignore it, well, no, you don’t ignore it. It’s hard to ignore a kid who’s having a huge meltdown in front of you, but you can say something rather glibly like, “Honey, could you have your melt down in your room?” Depending upon the age of the kid, you could take him by the hand and put them outside, depending upon where you live or what month it is and the weather and all that. You could put them in their room and give them the look. You can step over them, walk away, go to another room, go to the patty, close the door and lock it, because some kids will come after you. Not only will they throw a temper tantrum on the floor, have the big meltdown. When you walk away, they come to try to find you. Because you’ve taken the audience away from them. And that’s why it’s important you understand the concept of purpose of behavior.
Dr. Leman: Are some kids wired more for that? Yeah, they are. Some kids are just more wired for it, but it doesn’t mean you’re going to let it continue in your home because it’s not good for the home. Not good for the kid.
Doug: So if you’re listening to this and you are thinking, I’m going to ask my kid to go to a meltdown in a room, that sounds crazy. I’m just telling you these little things that Dr Leman suggest that we do, we’ve done with our kids like that. And the next day or like a week later they’d be like, “We do not like those. Those are Lemanisms that you’re putting on us and they are not comfortable.” So, just honestly, do stuff different and read the book so you understand why the kids are doing it so that you have the confidence to respond and not react to what the kids are doing. It’s fabulous.
Andrea: I don’t know if this fits in a moment where they’re actually having a meltdown, but maybe it’s before the meltdown step comes. I like what you’ve said before about telling a kid, “This may be a big deal to you, but it really is not a big deal to me.” And I feel like with a child who’s expecting a lot of themselves in school, is there a moment where she could insert that phrase, this seems like a big deal to you, but it really isn’t to me?
Dr. Leman: Yeah, there is. I think after the meltdown and whatever you do, you’ve gone to the park or she’s chilled for a while and things are back to normal, I think you say to a child, and maybe we’re missing not saying this enough, “Honey, can we talk about what happened this morning? It seems to me, and I could be wrong,” you’re not being real prescriptive here. You’re saying, “It seems to me, I could be wrong, but it seems like little things build up inside of you and then all of a sudden there’s this explosion. Can you tell me the little things that happen to you before you have this meltdown,” and trying to get the kid to articulate that those kinds of things would be helpful to say, are there some things you can develop in yourself where you can catch yourself and walk away before I have to walk away and say, school’s done, mom, I need a 10 minute break. Mom, can we take a five minute break? Something like that. Whatever.
Dr. Leman: I just think to open the doors of communication. And then to answer your question, “You know honey, I understand this is a huge thing to you. I’m your teacher, I’m your mother. Nobody loves you more than me. But I got to tell you in all honesty, is not a big deal to me. Okay? This is one of the life’s little puddles in life. And we’re going to jump over it. We are going to get through it. We’ll get through it together. I just would like to see you get through it in a more positive way because this isn’t fun for you. It’s not fun for me. And this morning when you had your meltdown, you woke up your little one year old sibling and that creates a problem for me.”
Dr. Leman: So, I think you’re practical, you’re straightforward, you’re trying to be understanding, but you’re trying to say, “I know from your perspective this is the biggest thing in the world. I just got to show you honestly from mine it’s not.” So we’re allowing her to have her feeling, we’re not denying her feeling, but we’re saying, but I’m not buying any of that. That’s not a big deal.
Andrea: Is there anything else that Anita can do to help, if they continue with the homeschooling, to just take away some of this expectation that either Anita has put on the daughter or that the daughter’s now putting on herself, to just kind of like de-escalate the whole school expectation or academic performance? It seems like if she’s truly gifted, she’s going to get it eventually anyways, so maybe they’re pushing too hard?
Dr. Leman: Yeah, she will, yeah, absolutely. In Leman Academy of excellence, we have a sign that says where learning is fun. And I think I would ask Anita to do a gut check and say, how much of our school day is fun? She’s seven years old. It ought to be loaded with fun. The whole school thing ought to be fun.
Dr. Leman: And sometimes there’s other homeschooling moms around. Do you sit with them and glean ideas for them about how to make it more fun and more interesting and more playful, more interactive? And how about getting other kids involved? Coming over to the house and doing some team teaching and changing things up a little bit? It all, I think makes for a more enriching homeschooling situation.
Doug: Well, Anita, thank you for your question. I appreciate it. Andrea, great questions today to help Anita out and think things through. Please pass this on to others, right? We’re doing this so that other families can love those kids and enjoy parenting, and not live in this stressed out, crazy, whacked out way. So please, on Facebook, on Twitter, on Instagram, when you’re walking with your friends, tell them, “Hey, it’s kind of weird, but we really found this great podcast,” So it’s free. Send it out there where they want to.
Doug: So thank you again for today, and we love being with you. It really is a joy be with you, and we look forward to the next time that we get to hang out with you.
Andrea: Have a great week.
Doug: Take care. Bye, bye.
]]>Does your kid struggle with their responsibilities? Do they just not seem to want to do anything? In this episode of Have a New Kid by Friday, Dr. Leman lays out how to deal with an unmotivated child.
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Doug Terpening: You’re tired. You feel like you’re always doing everything. You feel like no matter what you try, the kid knows how to squirt out and not do his chores. Homework is a continual battle. Attitudes reign supreme and you’re sitting there going, “How in the world do I motivate this unmotivated child?” That’s the question we get to ask Dr. Leman How do I get a kid that actually care?
Doug Terpening: Hi, I’m Doug Terpening.
Andrea: And I’m Andrea.
Doug Terpening: We are really glad that you are here and we are so thankful that you get to be with us and if this is your first time, we want to let you know what this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or your child, please go seek a local professional for help.
Doug Terpening: Well, Dr. Leman, Thanksgiving is like next week on the calendar from when this podcast will be released. Do you guys, I don’t know if I know this, do you guys do anything for Thanksgiving around the Leman clan?
Dr. Leman: Well, we always do. And you know, this I hope is an encouragement to all you parents who have young kids. Our youngest now is 27 years of age, okay? You know, all those kids, they want to be together at Thanksgiving time and every holiday they want to be together, and they really knocked themselves out to make that happen. I think we’re five for five this Thanksgiving. Sometimes we’re four for five, because those that are married have to go to the in-laws, you know, they do the every other year thing, but we’re five for five this year. But you know, it’s a testimony to all the hard work, you parents are pouring into your kids every day.
Dr. Leman: And you know, here we’ve got a situation where Doug has said, “Hey, what do you do? You get homework as a continual battle in your home, getting kids to do chores. I mean, you’re just tired. You’re sick of battling.” If that’s what we’re talking about Doug, I think we can help people have a more joyous Thanksgiving by simply giving them some ways of getting them out of the warfare between themselves and their kids.
Dr. Leman: For example, homework battle happens in a lot of homes. I could give you a lot of tips about when to do homework. Do you do it right after school? Do you do it after dinner? Give them a place to do it and all that kind of stuff. But to me, if it’s a constant hassle just to get the kid to do his homework, I think the smart call is go talk to teacher, say, “Hey, could you spend a few moments with me? I’d like to tell you where I am with this. Homework is a battle in our home. I’m sick of it. I don’t want to just pass the buck to you, but I’m asking for your help. If I’m not on him, he’s not going to have his homework done. And if you could build in some accountability in the classroom, that would really help.”
Dr. Leman: Even the assistant principal is capable of pulling little James out in the fourth grade, and bringing them down in the office and saying, “Hey, your teacher tells me you’re not handing in homework. That’s not how we operate here. I want that homework done, do you understand me?” I mean, you have that straight talk with the kid, but let somebody else do it. Get yourself out of the battlefield, okay?
Dr. Leman: And with chores, when you’ve got a kid who’s just non-cooperative and you have to tell him every minute, and when he finally does something, he doesn’t do it right, and then you try to correct him all at. Hey, stop doing that. Go back to the bread and water treatment, and without going into great deal, all of a sudden the answer’s no to everything he asked for. You don’t give him money, you don’t give him rides, you don’t give him special treats, nothing.
Dr. Leman: And he, sooner or later, is going to say, “What’s going on. Okay, you’re on now mom.” And now you say, “I’ll tell you what’s going on. I’m sick of having you as a guest in our home. This is not a hotel. I’m sick of catering to you, doing your wash. You do your own wash from now on. You make your own bed from now on. I’m not doing this. I’ve got to see something coming back from you. When I see something coming back from you, you and I will sit down and we’ll have a real conversation about how things are going to be in this house because you need to know I am very unhappy.”
Dr. Leman: As I’ve said many times on this podcast, kids hate it when you use those words. “Mom is very unhappy.” They don’t like it when you’re unhappy. So again, I think the take the bull by the horns approach works. Does it always work? No, not if you have a kid that’s so powerful, he’s going to show you that no matter what you do, he’s not going to do what you want, but those are kids that you know are going to give you long term problems to begin with. For most kids, 98% of the kids, they’re going to suck it up and become better citizens in their home and in school, by you just getting out of the firing line.
Doug Terpening: What causes this incredible un-motivation in the kids?
Dr. Leman: Well, if I have people doing things for me, get behind the kids’ eyes for just a day, and look at how his day goes. Does he have to work to have breakfast? Does he do anything to enjoy dinner? Does he have to do anything to enjoy the WiFi in his home or television or you name it? No. I mean, kids got a made today. They’re on the take. They’re the give-me generation. So it’s the smart parents that can convey to kids that, “Hey, no one member of the family is more important than the family, and everybody pitches in here.” When you turn that curve, kids tend to see themselves as helpers and not takers. They’re part of the solution and no longer the problem.
Dr. Leman: And Vitamin E should reign in your home and that’s encouragement. So when kids are helpful, you’re quick to say, “Honey, I can’t tell you how grateful I am for your help. That really helped mom a lot, thank you.” That’s all. You don’t have to give him a $10 bill. You don’t have to overdo it, but that’s Vitamin E. And kids, again I say parents, listen to what I’m saying. They want to please you. Give them opportunity to please you.
Doug Terpening: If we’re talking about a kid that’s at the teenage level, we’ll call him 15, 16. We’ll call him 16 years old and you haven’t been using Vitamin E and you’ve just of been an authoritarian. What would you recommend you change? You know, if dad’s the one that’s always authoritarian or mom’s kind of out to lunch, what would you say they need to change to help this kid get motivated?
Dr. Leman: Well, I would have a conversation, maybe at the dinner table some night and just say to your kid, “Could I just have three minutes of your attention?” And he’s going to look at you like, “What’s this about?” “Seriously, just put down your phone. I need to tell you something really important.” Okay, so the kid puts down his phone, and as soon as he puts it down, it rings.
Dr. Leman: You say, “Call him back. All right, turn your phone off. I want your undivided attention for three minutes. That’s all I ask for. Even an egg gets three minutes. Your dad deserves three minutes. Listen, I’ve been spending a lot of time lately just thinking about my relationship with you and to put it mildly, the relationship is sort of one-sided. I’d tell you what to do and you sometimes do it and sometimes don’t, and I don’t know about you, but I’m not real happy with this relationship, and I’m not happy about always telling you what to do. So you’re going to see a change in dad and if you’re asking yourself, am I apologizing for something? Yeah, I am, because I think I’ve done far too many things for you. I’ve made far too many decisions for you, and you’re going to see a change in my behavior.”
Dr. Leman: “Now, with that being said, in other words, you’re going to make more decisions on your own. You’re probably going to have to go and get a part-time job to do some of the things that you enjoy doing right now, because I’m sick of being just the banker who hands money out to you on demand. We’re going to have to have a much more socially equal relationship than we have now. I think you’re going to enjoy that freedom. I think you will handle things well, sure hope you do because your life’s going to be a lot better. Well, I’m looking at the clock and my three minutes are about up, but that’s really what I want to say to you. If you want to continue this conversation after dinner, I’m available. You know me, I’m a creature of habit. I sit in the same chair every night. Come down and we’ll talk. I love you.” That’s what I’d say to my kid.
Doug Terpening: Wow. What do you think, Andrea?
Andrea: I don’t know.
Doug Terpening: Andrea gave a very clear, “I don’t know.” A very strong.
Andrea: I didn’t know how to respond to that question [crosstalk 00:08:09].
Dr. Leman: It’s one of the reasons why we love this woman. She could be a politician.
Andrea: I have a really strong opinion.
Doug Terpening: A super strong opinion.
Andrea: I’m distracted because I’m thinking about somebody we know. It’s an unmotivated teenager, and the situation doesn’t always fit, so my brain is elsewhere.
Doug Terpening: Got it. So I think it’s amazing that you’re right, that the mom would stop and engage the kid like that, to help him get over the hump. So it would be incredible.
Doug Terpening: I’m going to come back and ask that same question for an elementary kid here, but before we do that, I better make sure I do the ebook promotion, and you have a little bit more time to get the one we have right now, which is, Have a New Sex Life by Friday, November 19 to 30th, of 2019 for a $1.99.
Doug Terpening: Dr Leman, who is this book written for?
Dr. Leman: It’s written for everyone, from newlyweds to people who’ve been married a long time. You know, there’s seasons in life, certainly in marriage, emotionally, spiritually, and certainly physically and sexually. And so it’s just such a good basic book that you can’t miss. I mean, it’s a great wedding gift for somebody, a couple who’s struggled, who’s really trying to find their way and it found the stresses of job and kids a little too much and their marriage is a little shaky. It’d be a great book for them to read, because it reminds you of how important the core relationship is, and all these other things that surround us are not. So, it’s well worth it.
Dr. Leman: Any of these books that we offer, I mean Leman books across the board are built to help you in a practical way, try not to use a lot of psychological jargon. They’re very practical and you should be laughing as you read some of these books. The printed word is not always easy to put humor in. It’s much easier to speak humor than it is to put it in writing, but trust me, I try. I know some firstborn children just don’t get my humor. I read my mail. They don’t realize I said something tongue in cheek, but there they’re good books and they’re just built to help you live a better life, and those you love to build live a better life as well.
Doug Terpening: Yep. It’s practical advice that you can apply and use now. So Have a New Sex Life by Friday, between now and November 30th of 2019, you can get it for a $1.99, wherever eBooks are sold.
Doug Terpening: Now, a no nonsense moment with Dr. Kevin Leman.
Dr. Leman: You know, you don’t have to walk very far to find a smart mouth kid these days. You’ll find them in schools, you’ll find them on a playground. This is so difficult to say to you parents. You may even find them in your home. You know, kids today view themselves as social equals. They don’t really see authority in a proper manner, and parents quite frankly don’t act in authority. They tend to be permissive and then they swing to authoritarian. We’ll discuss that one at another time, but the point is that these kids know where you are, how you operate, and I’ll tell you, they can pull your chain.
Dr. Leman: The question is, when your child is really a smart mouth to you, ask yourself this question, what was the purpose of nature of that? Was it to show you that he or she is the boss? That they want to simply just diss your authority? It could be, but the point is, words hurt and you don’t have to just come back immediately. If you do, you engage in fighting, and remember fighting’s an act of what? Cooperation. So after the hurtful words, go about your business, okay? And I’m telling you, I don’t care if your kid is six or 16, it’s going to be a very short period of time, when they come to you and say, “Mommy, would you get me this?” Or, “Mom, can I go over to John’s house?” Maybe they’re driving the car, “Hey dad, can I take the car?” Well, a simple dosage of Vitamin N will get your son or daughter’s attention, but what does that mean? A simple no. “I don’t feel like getting you anything right now. Honey, no, you can’t take the car.” Turn your back, walk away.
Dr. Leman: Now again, do not engage in battle. You have gold in your back pocket parents, okay? I call this parental poker. You have four aces in your back pocket as well. You don’t have to always play those cards, you just have to have the assurance that those cards are there. Quite frankly, your kid wouldn’t have underwear on right now, if you didn’t buy it for him. So who’s kidding who? You are in full authority over your children.
Dr. Leman: Now here’s the fun part, I think. They’re going to dig. They’re going to say, “Mom, what’s wrong with you? You always let me go to John’s house. You always let me do this.” Let them really squirm and figure out that maybe what they said, an hour and a half earlier was very inappropriate. Don’t tell them right off the bat. Again, let them sort of guess and figure it out. And finally he or she will figure it out, “Oh, I’m sorry about what I said this morning.” “Well honey, I’m glad you can say you’re sorry. That’s really important.” “Well, could I take the car now?” “No, but we’ll revisit that another day.”
Dr. Leman: That’s straight talk from good old Dr. Leman. I’m telling you this stuff works.
Doug Terpening: So Dr. Leman, back to the unmotivated kid, if I have an elementary kid, we’ll put them in fourth grade that were already, so he’s nine, 10, 11 years old and he’s already an unmotivated kid. Would it be any different for that age group?
Dr. Leman: Yes. Unmotivated 10 year olds, a fourth grader is usually 10 or 11, maybe you picked it on purpose, but the fourth grade’s always interesting because in most school systems, the curriculum ramps up a little bit. It begins to change. And if your kid is not motivated and not a reader, I think you need to really get some intervention for your kid. I know our schools now, I have seven charter schools, we’re breaking ground actually tonight on our seventh school. A parent pointed out to me the other day, that our third graders are doing algebraic equations, okay? Third grade, and I was using my fingers in sixth grade.
Dr. Leman: In a good school, education is moving at warp speed and you don’t want your kid left behind, do you parent? If your kid’s a reader, for all you parents who have kids who just love to read, don’t worry about your kids’ education, okay? That kid is going to be okay, and then some. The one I worried about as a kid who doesn’t read, because that just leads to a lot of discouragement. Or the kid who can read, but he can’t comprehend what he’s read, he can’t hold that thought and translate it and put it on paper. Tutoring is a great gift I think to your kids. Yes, there’s a lot of professional tutors out there, there’s a lot of teachers who moonlight, so to speak, tutoring kids, but you know with a fourth grade kid, you’ve got a college kid that lives two doors down that you know, be a great tutor for your fourth grader.
Andrea: Is it necessarily true that this forest grader that can’t read just has fallen through the cracks, or could they have a learning disability, if they’re not reading at that point?
Dr. Leman: Oh, a lot of kids do have learning disabilities and they fall through the cracks, and the professionals don’t see them for whatever reason. But this gets back to the conscientious nature of the teacher, and how many of you as parents are always at school with those visits, when you have opportunity to talk with your teacher. Are you there or do you blow it off? So the engaged parent, who’s engaged with a teacher, ought to know what’s going on in their kid’s life. There’s test scores, you know, we have an idea where kids are. We had a kid in our school, who’s an eighth grader and he reads at the first grade level. How does that happen? Well he came into our school from a public school, but how does a kid in eighth grade, and it really doesn’t look like the kid has learning disabilities per se. He just never really learned to read, for whatever reason.
Dr. Leman: It’s easy to correct things, in the early years. In eighth grade, it’s really tough. You talk to any educator about how do you turn a kid around in eighth grade. It’s like the ship has sailed and I missed it.
Andrea: So you would say a fourth grader that’s unmotivated, the first thing you would look for is whether or not they’re having trouble reading or in school.
Dr. Leman: Yeah, but I’d get down to that teacher, at teacher conference and I’d take a look and listen to what she sees. I’d look at his work, and if you’re suspect of a need for special services, go talk to the system principal in the school. Talk further with a teacher and try to get that kid special attention. I know at our schools, I walk through the hallways all the time, and we have professional people who are sitting one on one with kids, with headphones and computers and sometimes pencil and paper in hand, and they’re always working on things. And what we’re trying to do is to bring kids up to a level, because you know we’re a public school in essence and we take what walks in our door. What walks in the door are kids who are way above average and way below average, so we have to deal with them.
Doug Terpening: So Dr. Leman, I must admit, I’m slightly surprised. I thought on the fourth grader, you would tell me, a kid is unmotivated in fourth grade, and we need to look at the parents, that they have discouraged the kids. Is that not true with a fourth grader?
Dr. Leman: No. You’d find that in most of those cases, you would find situations where the parents made excuses for the kid, snowplowed the roads of life for him, just did far too many things for this kid, and the kid feels like he’s the center of the universe. So he just slides by. Well how do some kids slide by? Because they have a great sense of humor for example, or he might have some musical ability or whatever. He’s got something, you know he’s well liked by his peers. He got a lot of friends or he’s a good athlete and all those things can mask fundamental deficiencies in what the kid’s really learning.
Dr. Leman: Then you got kids who have different learning styles. You’ve got auditory learners and you got, you know, the special ed people are the ones that I shouldn’t talk on great authority in that area, because I’m not a great authority in that area. But we have people now, who can really do wonderful things with kids. But early prevention, like almost all health issues, early prevention is essential. You’ve got to jump in there and intervene quickly.
Doug Terpening: If the parent is the one who’s snowplowing the roads of life and they hear this and they’re like, “Well I don’t fully understand what that is and I don’t fully understand how to change that.” Is there a book that you would say, “Ah, this would help you get a little reality check on what you need to do to help you with your parenting?”
Dr. Leman: Yeah, I think the first one that pops into mind is, Making Children Mind Without Losing Yours. And the principle reason why I say that folks is this. It gives you a great teaching in the difference between authoritarian child rearing, which most of us grew up with, and authoritative child rearing. And of course in that book is also permissive child rearing, and both permissive and authoritarian are guaranteed to make your kids rebel. You’re sowing the seeds of rebellion, and you could do it in a lot of different ways, but a lot of it is being too, quite frankly, permissive with the kids and letting them get away with things. I’d say the Making Children Mind book is the best one to get you that understanding.
Dr. Leman: Someone asked me the other day, she said, “I’ve never had one.” This is on the internet or just a message came through to me. “I’ve never read any of your books. I’ve heard great things about your books, but could you give me a list of must reads?” And she said, “I have four children.” She gave me the ages, and they were from infancy through 12. And I had a hard time picking the four tell you the truth, but I gave her Making Children Mind Without Losing Yours, Have a New Kid by Friday. Planet Middle School, because for the middle schoolers, they’re their own unique group. And then the Birth Order Book, but there are so many others I could have in there as well. Those are good ones.
Dr. Leman: So if you’re struggling and you don’t know where to start, start with Making Children Mind Without Losing Yours, Have a New Kid by Friday. I mean they’ll equip you. You’ll have new tools in your parenting toolbox, I guarantee you. And then Have a New Teenager by Friday, Have a New You by Friday. Those Friday books are awesome. There’s a lot of material out there, parents. If you’re patient enough, take the time to download the book, read the book, highlight it, share it with your mate, and really work toward oneness in your approach to rearing your kids, you’re going to end up with a pretty good kid on your hand. That’s a guarantee.
Andrea: So Dr, Leman, what I hear you saying about an unmotivated child is, that really when we think we’re giving and loving our child, we’re actually hurting them by taking away their sense of responsibility, their sense of self, I don’t know, self worth because they don’t have to contribute anything, you’re actually saying, “Give them something to do. Make them feel like they’re part of the family, everybody chips in.” So it’s kind of counterintuitive to that, “Oh, I’m going to take care and make this child feel loved.”
Doug Terpening: Which is why, I think your book recommendations … As you were talking, Dr. Leman, you said a phrase that I thought, “You know what, if you’ll take the time to read the books yourself, it will help you.” And I thought, you know, the hours that I wasted on frustrations with my kids before I read Having a New Kid by Friday, it’s one of those, spend two hours to read the book to save yourself 150 hours down the road, and far more emotional drama and everything else.
Doug Terpening: So if you haven’t read Making Children Mind Without Losing Yours, and Have a New Kid by Friday, and the Birth Order book, read them and then come back to us and say, and I only say that just for your own sake, like I don’t get a dime for any of this, right? So it’s you, for your sake, please, please, please go get the book for your sake, to have the confidence, just with Andrea said, that you can do it. So go buy the books.
Doug Terpening: All righty. Well we look forward to the next time we get to be with you, to add more tools to that parenting toolbox, so that you just love those kids more and more.
Andrea: You have a great week.
Doug Terpening: We look forward to the next time we get to be with you. Take care.
Andrea: Bye bye.
Doug Terpening: Bye bye.
]]>It’s time for another Ask Dr. Leman: “Stepson problems: How do I get my husband to parent well?” Dorthy is a stepmother struggling with her husband’s passiveness towards parenting his son. Listen in to find out what advice Dr. Leman gives her in today’s episode.
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Doug: Do you have a husband who’s passive when it comes to parenting? Who just kind of sits there like a lump? And then once the kid bothers him enough he blows up like Mount Vesuvius? Well, we have a mom who’s calling in and saying, that’s my husband. Dr. Leman, fix him for me. Let’s find out how Dr. Leman can fix him.
Doug: Hi, I’m Doug Terpening.
Dorthy: And I’m Andrea.
Doug: And we are so happy that you are with us today. Truly, I am thankful that you are here, and just want to let you know if this is your first time, this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or your child, please go seek a local professional for help.
Doug: Well, this is a podcast question that Dorthy is going to leave for us here in just a moment, and I just want to remind you, you guys can go to birthorderguy.com, birthorderguy.com/podcastquestion, or hunt around the website, and you can leave your own audio question. Also there’s resources in there. If you want to find out about Dr. Leman himself, go to birthorderguy.com.
Doug: Now, let’s jump in and hear Dorthy’s question.
Dorthy: I am Dorthy from Las Vegas. This is about my five year old stepson, Nathan. Upfront, letting you know I don’t discipline my stepson. His dad, my husband, should be in charge of that. He’s the parent, I’m not. Just asking this to help my husband. He says he’ll listen to what you say.
Dorthy: Nathan is five. He’s an only child. He is extremely powerful. Both of his parents are powerful people, but in different ways. His mother uses reward-punishment parenting. That does not work. My husband’s very passive with occasional eruptions of authoritarianism. Nathan’s very used to getting his way. He is coddled and spoiled by both sides of the family, which my husband acknowledges. He threw power tantrums, which finally stopped after I encouraged my husband to use the techniques in your books. When he complained, nothing he did worked. Now Nathan has moved on to what I call quiet tantrums. If he’s told no or his demands are not instantly met to his exact requirements, he throws himself to the floor in a dramatic heap and lays there, or he huffs, crosses his arms, and glares at you and stomps around.
Dorthy: So I guess my questions are what discipline should my husband use for the quiet tantrum? How long should that discipline be in effect? And will it even work if his mom has no interest in your advice and continues to coddle and spoil him?
Dr. Leman: Wow. Thanks for the easy question, Dorthy. Well, there’s so many things in that. Well, number one, hats off to you, Dorthy. You’re a good articulator of the problem for sure.
Dr. Leman: But let’s start with you. You have to understand something. That your husband, I don’t think you gave him a name. I’ll give him a name. Clem. The problem is that Clem married you because, or one of the reasons why he married you, is because he thought that you would be in charge of little Nathan, the tyrant. I mean, that’s how it is. If he’s passive, he’s saying you deal with it. I also love your diagnosis of him being a controller, because he is. He’s a powerful person. I think you said powerful. And powerful and controller are basically the same.
Dr. Leman: A couple of things I would suggest. Number one, I would suggest you say to your husband, Clem, Clem, would you just tell me what a perfect day would be in your life relating to me and your son, our relationship? Just tell me what a perfect day would be like. Now, the reason, I’m sure the Terpenings right now are rolling their eyes saying, where is Leman going with this? But people who sort of lay in the weeds and they’re passive and they’re quiet, they know exactly how life ought to be. They get angrier and angrier when they see life unfold before them that is not in accordance with how they think it ought to be. We can call him King Clem, which might give you some perspective on this, Dorthy. He’s the king, and when you cross the king, he’s going to explode. So you’ve got the explosive parent on one hand, and then you’ve got coddling mom on the other hand. I mean, if there’s a disastrous paradigm for raising a kid that will be monstrous, that’s it. So as you’ve already indicated, at age five he’s already a very powerful child.
Dr. Leman: In terms of you asking the question, what discipline should Clem use? Well, you’ve got the books, you’ve read the books, you know what he should be doing. The problem is he doesn’t do it. So as long as you step in and do anything, we get nowhere. So you need to go on strike. Your commitment to your husband has to be, I’m not dealing with this stuff. Now again, the question has to be asked, well, who is around five-year-old the most? If the answer is you, and your husband’s at work someplace and you’re at home with the child, and I have no idea if that’s true or not, but who was ever around that child the most is the one that’s going to have more influence on him.
Dr. Leman: So when he does things like he throws himself on the floor, leave him there. I mean, please don’t try to get him up. If he wants to make it a power tantrum by pounding the floor or hitting his head or whatever kids want to do, I mean, so be it. It won’t last for long as long as he doesn’t have an audience. Again, that’s purpose of behavior. That power tantrum serves a purpose in his life. So when you remove the audience from the temper tantrum, there’s no sense to little Nathan to keep doing his dog and pony show.
Dr. Leman: Now he stares at you. I can just see him crossing his arms and give you this vicious stare. I would just smile like the village idiot back at him when he does that, and then I turn and I’d leave. I wouldn’t get caught up in his power moves. He’s like the spider that’s inviting you into his web, and stay out of his web.
Dr. Leman: You need to have a heart to heart with your husband and say, Clem, my man, I’m about done here. I didn’t sign up for this. We’re partners in this thing and so far you’re not pulling your share, and I’m getting mighty sick of it. And so that straight talk ought to get his attention if he really cares for you.
Dr. Leman: So those are a few openers and Dr. Terpening and his wife, Mrs. Dr. Terpening, will now interject their ideas because their parents of four children.
Doug: I’m going back to your… You’re right. I am scratching my chin and head and saying, why would I ask Clem what is your ideal day? How is that going to help the parenting process?
Dr. Leman: Because it’s going to reveal that he does know exactly how he wants to be treated as king and how he thinks ought to be going on in his life, in his home. It gives you a roadmap to what he expects. Because see the guy that’s just going to explode, he doesn’t tell people this is bothering me, I’m uncomfortable with this, I don’t like that. He just simmers and then he gets to a boil and then he explodes. So if we’re going to have any kind of communication from this guy, we have to understand what’s a perfect day? How can I help you have a perfect day, hubby?
Dr. Leman: I mean it’s almost funny to say. None of us have perfect days. But at least you get a roadmap in your mind of what he thinks ought to happen. But when he starts to share that, it certainly is a time for Dorthy to give her side of the things about how she sees it in his lack of partnership and how that’s taking a toll on their relationship, because clearly it does.
Andrea: Do you think he’ll recognize that he’s treating them as though he should be king, or do you think this is more for Dorthy to recognize that?
Dr. Leman: No, I think that would be new information for him. But if you look at the behavior, what’s the purpose of the nature of the explosive behavior, the yelling, the screaming, the overt action to pounding on a table or whatever? It’s sometimes just people are getting too close to me, or sometimes the situation has just got to a point where I can’t tolerate it anymore. What you want him to be able to do is articulate his feelings before they get to a blowout place.
Dr. Leman: So tell me, how would you like your day to go? Now let’s just assume she’s a stay at home mom and he comes home from work and he has expectations about what should happen when the king comes through the door. Well, I’ve got news for you, every queen in America has assumptions about what happens when the king comes home. And what she wants to hear is, honey, what can I do to help? Especially if there’s a five-year-old in the house. So it gives her a platform to say, hey, wait a minute. This is a partnership, and right now I feel like I’m doing 95% of it, and much of that is caring for your son. He’s not my son.
Dr. Leman: I applaud Dorthy. Dorthy sees it as it is. She sees real clearly. And the books are there. Those techniques are time tested. Things like B doesn’t start till A gets completed. What could be more basic than that?
Doug: So Dorthy goes to Clem and says, Clem, listen. I’m not doing anymore. I’m taking a step back. This is your son. You’ve got to deal with it. Blah, blah, blah. And he just blankly looks at her and blinks and just kind of shuts down. And how does she deal with that?
Dr. Leman: I’m calling daycare. We’re going to set something up where instead of coming home from school here, since you’re not here, he’s going to go to a daycare facility. Which we are going to pay for.
Dr. Leman: Or you know what? I haven’t visited my mom in a long time. I’m out for a month. You deal with this. When you come up with a viable plan, I’ll pitch in and meet you 50-50. But I feel like I’m being taken advantage of.
Dr. Leman: I think Dorthy’s got some guts and I think she will.
Doug: Andrea, could you say that, do you think? I’m leaving to go see mom for a month, and when you decide that we’re going to do 50-50, I’ll come back.
Andrea: I don’t think I could. But from listening to Dorthy, I think she could.
Dr. Leman: I think you could, Mrs. Terpening. I think you could, and you would, if you were married to Clem. You’re lucky, you’re married to a sweet boy. Future Farmer of America, or whatever he is.
Doug: What did you drink?
Dr. Leman: Listen people, this is a guy that’s comfortable around pigs. Okay? He loves animals.
Doug: Oh my gosh.
Dr. Leman: They’ve got a barnyard out there, I’m telling you.
Andrea: Yeah.
Dr. Leman: They have to close the barn door when we do the podcast because you hear the chickens.
Doug: Oh my gosh. Oh my God. That’s because I’m married to Farmer Andrea, right?
Andrea: That is the truth.
Dr. Leman: We’re going too far this morning, aren’t we?
Doug: Yes, we are. We are.
Andrea: Back to Dorthy and Nathan.
Doug: Back to Dorthy. So Dorthy has the moxie to do this. But what about all these other ladies that are out there that are like, ooh wow, if I really stood up to my husband and said, guess what? I’m going to mom’s for a month until you decide to meet me 50-50. And that husband says, you dare leave this house and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. What advice would you give those gals?
Dr. Leman: You have to remember that the situation we’re talking about is a situation where this is not her child. Okay? And remember what I said. This husband, when he married Dorthy, said, oh great, Dorthy will care of Nathan. I’m out. I’m free. He’s washing his hands.
Dr. Leman: And he’s passive. Now, what’s the other side of passive? What’s the word? Aggressive. So lots of times people who seem very milk toast-like are very aggressive in seemingly not an aggressive manner, if that makes sense.
Andrea: Yeah.
Dr. Leman: So again, ladies, if you’re in a situation, okay, and you just feel like you’re trapped, you don’t know what to do, I’ll give you a suggestion. Pick up a copy of Smart Women Know When To Say No. It’s a little paperback book by me. It costs, I think, a whole 6.99 in paperback. It’s one of those little pocket books. It’s jam packed with great stuff. It was a national bestseller, okay? That book has all kinds of great stuff. So if you’re a person who just sort of goes with the flow, and people say to you, oh, I don’t know how you do it, and might admit you have a little martyr in you and you have a hard time standing up for yourself, or if you just need a little push, Smart Women Know When To Say No is a great resource for you.
Doug: It’s a great idea. We’re going to take a break because I don’t want to forget to do the ebook promotion, but when I come back, Andrea, I’m going to ask you, do you remember when you finally figured out how to say no and what happened to you?
Doug: So the ebook promotion that I’m super excited about is Have A New Sex Life By Friday. November 12th through 30th of 2019 for a 1.99. While the title is fairly clear, Dr. Leman, what is this book about?
Dr. Leman: Well again, you know, I think it’s interesting. I think our last offer was on the book Under The Sheets, and I noticed they extended the sale of it. When they extend the sale of something, it’s not because it’s not selling, it’s because people are buying it.
Dr. Leman: So a lot of people are a little timid about going into a bookstore and picking up a copy of Have A New Sex Life By Friday, but like all books relating to sex, a great majority of that book ought to be talking about communication and how to develop that intimate connection. In fact, I wrote a book called The Intimate Connection. But as we strive to become one in marriage, there’s a lot of variables that get in your way. And a lot of them you brought from your home that you grew up in. Your prejudices, your thoughts, and your ideas, and all that. So Have A New Sex Life By Friday is an opportunity for you to examine your life in relationship to the one you love.
Dr. Leman: It’s a gut check. You’ll be challenged to think through some things, and maybe see things a little bit more realistically than you do right now. It’s well worth it. It’s a fun book to read. Anytime you talk about sex, I think there ought to be humor in it, and there is humor in that book.
Dr. Leman: And speaking of humor, this just jettisoned into my mind, excuse me. But early in my marriage I decided that after a shower what I really needed to do was just dance for my wife. And I thought, wow, she’s going to love this. And I’ll never forget what she said. She said, Lemy, Lemy, Lemy, that is not a good look. So you know, men, we don’t always see things accurately. Women don’t always understand us. There’s a lot to figuring out where you are in marriage, and sex is such an important part of it. Whether you’re struggling or whether you’re enjoying it, it’s a great part of your relationship. So pick up a copy, and you can do that right now by just downloading it, right? For how much? 1.99?
Doug: Yes. A $1.99.
Doug: Dr. Leman, we have lost Andrea for the rest of the podcast. She’s over there just cracking up laughing. You have killed her with your story. Oh my gosh. Andrea can’t-
Andrea: Thanks, Dr. Leman.
Doug: She’s got tears in her eyes. Oh my God.
Andrea: I think it’s time for that no nonsense moment with Dr. Leman.
Doug: She is ready to move on. We’re moving.
Dr. Leman: It’s a visual. It’s a visual. Everybody visualize that.
Doug: Oh, you’ve killed her. You’ve killed her. Okay, what am I supposed to do? Oh, I’m supposed to tell you how much. $1.99 on ebook, November 12th through the 30th of 2019.
Doug: And now as Andrew would like us to go to, a no nonsense parenting moment with Dr. Kevin Leman.
Dr. Leman: Here’s one for you, and it’s not even brought to you by State Farm Insurance, but when do you let your son or daughter drive the family car? That’s the question. I get asked that a lot. Well, obviously you have to wait until they’re of age. In most states it’s 16 when they can get a permit. Some states you can get at 15 and a few months. But here’s the question I’d ask you to ask yourselves. Did that son or daughter take care of their bike? Did they take care of other things they’ve owned along the way? Or were they the ones that just threw things down, left things out in the rain, didn’t seem to take much care and pride in what you got them? If that’s the case, I’d be leery at the get go to think that I’m going to hand the keys over to a kid who hasn’t got a good track record of taking care of things.
Dr. Leman: If I’m going to give my son or daughter a car, I want to know that they’re going to take pride in the fact that I believe in them, that I trust him with this automobile, that if there’s an accident it could cost me a lot of grief, time, and money. So that’s checkpoint number one.
Dr. Leman: Checkpoint number two. Is your son or daughter responsible in a general sense? Do they get good grades in school? I mean, insurance companies will offer you a discount if they have a B average or above. So these are all sort of background things. Then when you come to when do you let a kid drive the family car, there has to be some rules governing the use of family car. And who better to come up with those rules than your son or your daughter? They’ll be tougher on themselves, trust me. We did this with all of our kids.
Dr. Leman: And by the way, I taught four of our five kids to drive. By the time the fifth one came around, I went Mr. B’s Driving School, or something to that effect. And they did a great job and it saved me a lot of stress, let’s put it that way. If you’ve taught kids to drive, you know what I’m talking about. Oh my goodness. We have some stories in the Leman family about that wonderful adventure.
Dr. Leman: But the point is, you give the keys to the car to a kid when you can really honestly look yourself in the mirror and say, you know, I really trust this son, I really trust his daughter. They’ve got good judgment. And of course, you do have to make sure they’re ready to take the wheel of that car by themselves, and obviously there’s a lot of time and hours spent with supervision before you turn those kids loose.
Dr. Leman: You know, I’m well past social security age now, and I still remember what my father told me. Never make a left hand turn until you can see the complete lane. To this day, I have never ever taken a left hand turn without seeing that clear lane. That’s how you stay out of terrible accidents, isn’t it?
Dr. Leman: So we all need guidance from our parents, Hey, give your kids guidance, but do you really trust them? Are they really responsible? Those are the questions only you can answer.
Doug: Alrighty. So, Andrea.
Andrea: Yeah.
Doug: So Dr. Leman is saying smart women know when to say no. Do you remember when you finally had the guts to finally say no to me?
Andrea: Yeah. I think maybe we’ve shared this on the podcast before, but you were really angry at me, and you were calling me a liar. Right?
Doug: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Andrea: Yeah. And I just remember that part. What did I say?
Doug: Oh, you just fired back up to me.
Andrea: Yeah, I yelled at you.
Doug: Yeah.
Andrea: I don’t remember what I said.
Doug: Yeah.
Andrea: But then you started applauding me, and you were glad that I actually stood up to you.
Doug: Right.
Andrea: That I didn’t let you continue to run over me.
Doug: Correct. But just for context, this is like six years, seven years in to our marriage, probably, before-
Andrea: No, no, no. Oh, into our marriage. Yes.
Doug: Yeah. So it took her a long time. But after that, what changed?
Andrea: You started respecting me more and listening to what I had to say.
Doug: And I went and read some books about my anger and it changed me. So Dr. Leman, for those women that hear Andrea’s story, like I live with this vicious beast and if I stand up to him, he’s just going to fire up more. What have you found is historically what happens when women finally say no?
Dr. Leman: What happens is men do pay attention. We get used to patterns. If you married a pleaser who wants the oceans to lie smooth, most of those women just sort of roll with the punches, and before long you figure, hey, what I say goes around here. I’ve got it made. And in the process you start to take this lovely gift, your wife, for granted. Which is never good. And then all of a sudden whatever happens and she stands up to you, all of a sudden you take notice. You realize that maybe there’s some things in your life you should really be changing or you’re going to ruin this relationship.
Dr. Leman: And if more people could do what you were able to do, Doug, and just sort of do a self examination and say, okay Lord, I’ve got to do some changing in my life here, and do so, it would be a much, much better world for sure.
Dr. Leman: But hey, before I forget, I want to tell our podcast guys on November 16 and 17, those are weekend days if I remember right, I will be on The Huckabee Show with Mike Huckabee. Mike is one likable guy. He is the real deal. You’ll find him, if you’re unfamiliar, with the TBN Network. That’s the Trinity Broadcasting Network. It’s one of the Christian networks. But I have Dish at my home, and it’s number 260 on Dish.
Dr. Leman: I’ve watched his show, and it’s a fun, entertaining show that has comedians, actors, actresses, politicians, shrinks, authors. It’s a fun show. Huckabee Show. It’s on Saturdays and Sundays on the TBN Network. And I’ll be there on November 16 and 17. Tune in. We’re talking about the intimate connection. We’re talking about marriage. So if you’re interested, November 16 and 17. Make a note.
Doug: And look for your socks, right? The socks that you’ll be wearing, Dr. Leman.
Dr. Leman: Yeah.
Doug: Okay, moving on. And so you have the ebook promotion of Have A New Sex Life By Friday, but also Dr. Leman has helped you if you don’t feel as strong as Dorthy, Smart Women Know When To Say No. Highly, highly, highly recommend it for you so that you can have the confidence and see the changes in your marriage like Andrea and I saw in ours. So I highly encourage you.
Doug: Dorthy, thank you a ton for your question. We love it, and we just cherish that you guys would trust us with your questions, and hopefully you’re finding the answers and solutions to the problems that you have so that you can add to that parenting toolbox and love them kids more and more.
Doug: Well, it was great to be with you today and we look forward to the next time.
Andrea: Have a great week.
Doug: Take care. Bye-bye.
]]>Allowing kids to face reality and disappointment from their own decisions is difficult, but it ultimately leads to their success as an adult. Listen in to today’s episode to learn more about the meaning of keeping the “tennis ball of life” on your child’s side of the court.
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Doug: Tennis balls. I’m supposed to keep the tennis ball of life on their side of the court. But what if they don’t hit the ball back? What if they hit into the net? What if they flail and fail and now their entire life is ruined? They’ve missed that critical step in life and they’re going to be living on the streets. How do we as a parent keep the tennis ball of life on their side of the court without it destroying our kid’s life? That’s the question we get to ask Dr. Leman.
Doug: Hi, I’m Doug Terpanine.
Andrea: And I’m Andrea.
Doug: And we are wonderfully happy that you are here today with us and that you get to hear this question answered. If this is your first time with us, welcome. And we ought to let you know, this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or your child, please go seek a local professional for help.
Doug: Well, Dr. Leman, since you’re the speaker, I am thinking that I want someone to come out to my company and help us figure out how to get along. How would I get ahold of you to have you come out and talk to us at the Lumbermen’s gathering?
Dr. Leman: Well, you know, I do all kinds of different talks. I’m doing a fundraiser, for example, in Grand Forks, North Dakota. I’ve done several of those. I do school districts where I do in-service for entire districts. I try to do them in a compact and fun way. I do church weekends, which I love to do.
Dr. Leman: For those of you in any form of ministry, if you want to grow a church today, the best way to grow a church is to bring in a guy like me, have him speak on a Sunday morning, and then Sunday evening. So do it like a sermon of sorts on a Sunday morning, a marriage thing on Sunday night, a program for stay at home moms who are largely ignored on Monday morning.
Dr. Leman: Sometimes we do a business leadership breakfast early in the morning for business people, based on The Way Of The Shepard, my bestselling book. And then Monday night, do something on parenting. That’s a full weekend.
Dr. Leman: Those are well worth the investment of bringing me into a church. I do many of those all over the country, always enjoy them and churches always experience a reformation, quite frankly, in their church. We get lots of positive feedback of the results of just that weekend. Plus a lot of new people are brought into the church membership just because they recognize that name, heard the topic, liked the people and decided to stay around there.
Dr. Leman: The direct way … I’ll give you a really direct way, and I don’t do this very often, but I’m going to give you my phone number. And you can call (520) 797-3830, three eight three oh. 797-3830, area code five two zero. Debbie will answer the phone and you tell her you want to bring Leman your way and she’ll explain everything to you and how it’s done and she is so good at helping you plan a conference like that. She can really assist you in how to go out and promote.
Dr. Leman: And of course, I do radio and TV. So, if you’re in a town that’s got a radio station, lots of times, a couple of weeks before I’m coming, I’ll get on that local radio and talk about the event, which helps attendance. So it’s real simple. Her name is Debbie and she’ll help you. (520) 797-3830. Almost gave you my zip code.
Doug: I encourage you to have … he’s as fun. He’s actually, every time we hang out with Dr. Leman, it’s amazing. He will delight people, connect with them. It really is quite fabulous. So onto today’s topic. So Dr. Leman, this is a two parter. One, the historic one. What does it mean to keep the tennis ball of life on their side of the court? But then the second part I’m going to ask you is, what if they fail in life and now they don’t get into that college. Or do that wrong step and I’m so worried they’re going to fall behind and once they get in the back of the pack, then they start running with the wrong people. Then they start drinking and doing drugs and then [inaudible]
Dr. Leman: Thanks for the optimistic close on that. [inaudible] I can’t wait for that to happen in my life. Thank you, Terpanine. I don’t know. He’d been drinking something this morning. I don’t know what it is. But here we go. Okay, let’s talk about the tennis ball of life.
Dr. Leman: You know, you’ve heard me say that so many times, it’s just one of my favorite expressions. But let’s talk about tennis balls for just a second. You know, I could have said keep the golf ball on the fairway. I could’ve come up with all different kinds of things, but why would you come up with a tennis ball of life?
Dr. Leman: Well, first of all, tennis balls are fuzzy. They’re soft, they bounce back, they go up and down. They’re yellow. I love yellow. It’s one of the few colors I can see. I’m red, green [inaudible] colorblind. So yellow is one of the … And I realize all tennis balls aren’t yellow, but a lot of them are.
Dr. Leman: I like tennis balls because they’re hit back and forth just like we hit back and forth in families and banter in language. And how about that sound? You know, if you’re watching the pro tennis match on television, when a pro hits that tennis ball it’s that sound. It’s just so clear and yet, it’s a kind of mellow tone to it. Pow.
Dr. Leman: So I like that whole idea of trying to keep things where they belong. We live in a society where it’s always somebody else’s fault. He’s to blame. We say things like, “He makes me angry, she exasperates me.” No, actually you exasperate yourself, you’re in charge of your own anger.
Dr. Leman: And so I sort of like just the whole idea of tennis ball. I think people can identify with keeping it on the proper side. And that’s why I say keeping it on the right side of the court, over the net.
Dr. Leman: And sometimes, when you try to serve that ball over the net, guess what? You hit the net. You’re not successful. And sometimes, when you hit the tennis ball, you’ll whack it way out of bounds or maybe, depending upon where you’re playing, you actually lose the ball. And I like that because that reflects human behavior and relationships and what life’s all about.
Dr. Leman: So don’t own what isn’t yours. And kids are great at getting parents to own the fact that they can’t find their shoes, they can’t find their skirt, they can’t find their game. And like dummies, we jump in and become servants to our children and essentially allow them to put themselves, that is our children, and authority over us.
Dr. Leman: So it’s really important that if you’re going to understand the tennis ball of life and keeping it on the right side of the court, you have to understand the principle of authority. Not authoritarianism, where you’re the dictator and the ruler and tell everybody what to do, but you have to own up for what you’re responsible for, but you have a responsibility to hold your son or your daughter what they’re accountable for.
Dr. Leman: Now, again, as parents, what we tend to do is we swing from one extreme to the other. So you’ve got one parent that’s an authoritarian and you’ve got the other parent who’s reactionary because they don’t like the authoritarian mate and how he or she deals with things. So they go to the opposite direction and they become permissive, which in essence destroys the probability of us keeping the tennis ball of life on the appropriate side of the net because the parents aren’t on one page.
Dr. Leman: So I like tennis balls, they’re yellow, they’re fuzzy, they’re firm, they make noise, they bounce back and forth. Any other questions, Doug?
Doug: So the concept is, I’m not supposed to do for my kids what they should do for themselves. Okay, I get that concept. But, let’s be honest here. I’ll never forget our neighbor when our son was six years old and he said, “Hey, if you don’t get your kid into sports, into baseball, he’s going to fall behind. And then he’ll never be able to connect with kids at school.”
Doug: And I was like, “Ah.” Right? And there’s this incredible pressure that if I don’t help my kid keep doing and being able to do all this stuff, like grades and homework or activities, they’re going to fall far behind. And once they’re at the back of the pack, everybody knows, the kids at the back fail. How do I not pick up the ball and how do I keep the racket in my hand and keep hitting it back to them? How do I convince myself this is the right thing to do?
Dr. Leman: Again, your example is a good one. Somebody says something to you and like a trained puppeteer you go and get your kid signed up for this and signed up for that. No, the smart thing is to look at your kid. What’s your kid’s inclination? What does your kids seem to really like to do? He’s in love with Legos. Well, did you ever send him to a Lego camp or how do you sort of enrich what a child’s bent is?
Dr. Leman: Every child’s bent goes in a little different direction. and I think through using vitamin E, wow, now you’re getting it. Good job. You seem to really enjoy music, don’t you? You begin to help cut a path for the child to be successful. A kid has to feel like I’m a somebody. And this goes back to the ABCs of accepting kids for who they are and making sure that your kids feel like they belong in your family.
Dr. Leman: And the C part, I want you to listen carefully, is competence, not confidence. Competence. In other words, a kid in an early age gets messages from both mom and dad that you’re a capable person. Honey, thank you for helping mommy unload the dishwasher. Now, you’re talking to a three year old, but you’re sending messages, the tennis ball, if you want, to that child’s side of the court. Okay? And you know when you say to a kid, “Thank you for helping mommy,” and you’re smiling and you give him a hug or whatever, you are increasing or decreasing the probability of a kid helping you more. You’re increasing it.
Dr. Leman: So now the child says, “Mommy, do you want me to go down and get the mail?” The kid’s three years old, she can hardly reach the thing. “Sure honey, that’d be a big help.” You know, a kid will look for more ways, and I’ve said this for years, the kids actually want to please us as parents, so let them please. But I think it goes back to the natural inclination that you see in your son or daughter’s life at an early age.
Doug: So how do we deal with these tennis ball of life? I’ll give you a very real Terpanine one which, regretfully, won’t apply to many people, but it’s one that just popped into my brain. So we do 4-H and our kids raise these pigs and then show them at 4-H. we got one that was beautiful, growing and then it just literally … I’ve never seen anything like this before. The pig just stopped eating.
Doug: So Andrea felt so bad because our kids have dumped hundreds of dollars into the pig and Lily, the pig is on its way to dying. But Mrs. Terpanine jumps in and starts buying yogurt and eggs and ice cream and syrup and she’s out there, every day mixing stuff up for the pigs because she feels bad for the kid. So how do we …
Dr. Leman: I can see her doing that. Here’s a little rocky road for you, Miss Piggy, hope you like it.
Doug: But Andrea is so thoughtful and caring, right? And I’m like Mr. Meaney.
Andrea: He’s just going to let the pig die and let the child-
Doug: Suffer.
Andrea: Eat the $300.
Dr. Leman: You know, you two oinkers are way ahead of me on this. I’m really shooting in the dark here. But, why would a little oinker all of a sudden not eat?
Doug: When we talked to the vet, they had no idea. They just said they get this weird …
Andrea: Sometimes a pig just does this.
Doug: Yeah. Nobody can explain it, to be honest. But, how do we help parents out there that are like, “Yeah, I wouldn’t want my kid to lose 300 bucks or 400 bucks. Yeah, you got to jump in to help.” How do you keep the tennis ball of life without letting something die?
Dr. Leman: You know, I think, if I’m not mistaken, I’m going way back in my memory bank, but in one of my books … I knew I liked that story about the pigs. There was a kid who went and bought two pigs and brought them home and, of course, didn’t ever ask mom and dad “Can I buy the two pigs?” And so the two pigs were … I forgot the circumstances, but the parents got rid of the pigs. And the kid suffered the consequence of making a very poor decision and that is to buy pigs and bring them home.
Dr. Leman: Obviously, lived in a farm like situation, but the kid lost … I don’t know how much baby pigs cost, but it was a lot of money for a kid. I remember that. So my admonition for the moms of the world, like the lovely Mrs. Terpanine who has a heart bigger than 10 other moms, is you have to understand that part of winning in life is experiencing the reality of failure.
Dr. Leman: Failure that sometimes you have no control over. And I think it helps build psychological muscles for a child to experience disappointment. And the hurt that the parent has because the kid is so disappointed and down over whatever the circumstance is, you come alongside the child and you share your disappointment and your hurt and your sorrow in the fact that things didn’t work out the way they wanted it to work out.
Dr. Leman: What do you do when your grown daughter comes to you and she says, “Mom and dad. I found out my husband’s unfaithful. I’m filing for divorce.” What do you do then, parent? I’m just telling you, that’s life. There’s life at every level where you don’t get what you want. You don’t succeed. You fail. Or, as the book once said to someone, “Bad things happen to good people,” and so you come alongside. If you’re a person of faith, you pray, you ask for God’s guidance and you move along.
Dr. Leman: A couple of years ago, we had to put our little Cocker Spaniel asleep and I just ruminated on that thought and how sweet that dog was and how much I loved her and the fact that we had to put her asleep. And I still have mixed feelings about that. Intellectually, we did the right thing for Rosie, but boy, it was difficult. And life’s got a lot of difficult moments in it. So we got to help prepare our kids for those stages in life where things don’t go the way we want them to go.
Andrea: So you’re saying that I might hit that tennis ball onto their side of the court and it may not go the way either of us want it to go and they may experience some loss, disappointment and I should just walk with them through that, not try and rescue them out of it.
Dr. Leman: But I love the idea of you pouring granola syrup, honey, ice cream into the pig’s porch.
Andrea: Oh no, no, no.
Dr. Leman: I’ll never forget that as long as I love.
Andrea: This little pig loved the raw egg mixed into the sour cream. That was its favorite.
Dr. Leman: Here comes that woman in blue jeans. I love that woman. Feed me lady, feed me. So did the pig make it?
Andrea: Yes. But it never grew as fast as it should have. Yeah. It didn’t make it to fair.
Doug: It didn’t make it to fair. It didn’t make it, though. It didn’t.
Dr. Leman: Good bacon or bad bacon?
Doug: We’re not going to answer that question.
Dr. Leman: You know, really, the Terpanines could be a weekly series on TV. It’d be entertaining.
Doug: There was a season of our life that it would have been very, very entertaining.
Dr. Leman: Yeah, I’d follow the reruns of Green Acres.
Doug: Ouch. Oh, funny. Okay. So I better do the ebook promotion and then I have another question for you, Dr. Leman.
Dr. Leman: Okay.
Doug: So, one of the changes that I love that we’re doing now is that we’re giving people more time to get the eBooks. So we are, again, you have another week to get Planet Middle School. You have until November 11th of 2019 to get it for only $1.99. I know Dr. Leman last week, you gave us a view of it, but can you give us like a little teaser of why we should get Planet Middle School?
Dr. Leman: The one thing you really don’t want your kid to become in life is a powerful child because their mantra in life is I only count in life, only count in life, when I dominate other people, when I’m always the winner. It’s a terrible mantra to be able to take through life. And powerful children are created in the home by parents who try to play placate kids to make them happy at every turn.
Dr. Leman: I’m quoting myself an unhappy child is a healthy child. There’s times your son or daughter has to be unhappy. Why? Because they deserve to be unhappy because they disobeyed you or talk back to you or rag down their brother or sister or whatever. So it’s a very practical book.
Dr. Leman: My goodness. $1.99. Read it. It’s an eyeopener for most parents because they don’t always read the fact that your kid’s powerful. And I’ve said many times, a lot of powerful children appear to be very sensitive and quiet, almost mouse-like and the fact is, they make you tippy toe around them. They’re very powerful people.
Dr. Leman: So read that book and get on Facebook and tell your friends about it. Or Instagram and Twitter and tell people about that good read. Our nation needs that book quite frankly.
Doug: You have until November 11th of 2019 wherever you get your eBooks for $1.99. And now a no nonsense parenting moment with Dr. Kevin Leman.
Doug: As you can imagine, I get all kinds of questions from people. I answered a question yesterday from West Africa. I get them from every foreign country and, of course, the funny thing is because so many of my books are in foreign languages, they write me emails in their foreign language and think that I can understand the Czech language or whatever they might be writing in. But so many times I get emails, letters, calls from people who are concerned about their kid doing well in school.
Doug: And many times I’ll find out as I delve into this kid’s life that the child does not do well in life and school, is not getting good grades, but guess what? He’s a voracious reader. Wow. Whenever I say that, I find a direct, clear way of saying, “Hey parent, you need to stop worrying about your kids’ education because if your son or daughter is a veracious reader, they’re going to get an education and they’re going to do well in school.”
Doug: Chances are if they’re not getting good grades, for example, there’s other issues going on that are creating that situation. Some of them might be behavioral, but some of them might be also situational in terms of the classroom, the teacher, the subject, et cetera. But I want to go back to reading.
Doug: You know, from the time a kid is young, read to them, get them cloth books, get them fun, bright-colored books. If they’re musical, all the better. Any kind of entertainment that’s associated with the reading should really be encouraged.
Doug: And teaching kids to read should be a very natural thing. They can pick out letters. I remember one of the funniest things that happened in private practice was a mother reported that her little guy who was ardent fan of Sesame Street came running in. He was toilet trained. He was over two and a half years of age.
Doug: And he comes in and says, “Mommy, mommy, I pooped a C, I pooped a C.” I still laugh thinking about that little kid, running into mommy and saying, “Mommy, I pooped a C.” But you know, Sesame Street and other programs teach kids the value of reading and letters. And if reading can come naturally, and if you just keep the printed word around kids in a fun way, many of them are going to catch on and they’re going to read early.
Doug: Now, you want to just be as helpful as you can. You want to visit libraries on a regular basis. You want to read to that child as much as possible. And more importantly, let that child start reading to you. And, by the way, if that child starts reading to you, don’t be so quick to correct everything. Okay?
Doug: Many times, when kids are trying to read, we interrupt way too much, let them figure it out, let them sound it out. But the point of this little spot today is to encourage your kid to read because that is the building block for all of education moving forward.
Doug: So Dr. Leman, if I do everything for my kid, so I do more than I should for my kid and my kid turns 18 and he leaves the home, what harm … Or what have I done to my kid that I will regret down the road? Because of that.
Dr. Leman: Well, you set your kid up to have no confidence in the decisions that they make for themselves. You create a needy person who will be easily molded by the peer group. Now, there’s a scary thought. They leave the protective nature of your home. You send them off to work, the military, off to college, whatever it might be. And those strangers are now going to have an extreme, extreme effect upon your kid because your kid hasn’t been able to make choices. They weren’t held accountable for things they did. You snowplowed the road of life for him. You did made too many decisions for them and now, when it comes to decision time, they’re going to vacillate like a rat on an electric grid.
Dr. Leman: They’re not going to know what to do. Turn left or turn right. You’ve weakened your child. In fact, you’ve ruined your child from many a vantage point, quite frankly. And that’s why it’s important that people read books like Making Children Mind and Have A New Kid By Friday and Planet Middle School and Have A New Teenager By Friday.
Dr. Leman: Those are all practical books that give you the building blocks. So your kid, when they leave the home, leaves confident that whatever comes their way, they’re going to be able to deal with. Will they always deal with them in the right proper way? No. Because failure is a part of life. But, generally speaking, they’re going to be on top of their game and they’re going to profit from it. And they will someday say, “Thanks mom and dad for the great job you did in rearing me the way you did.”
Doug: You know, that’s so true. You know, we’ve launched two kids now, they’re doing the gap year thing before the college thing. And just recently, one of them called and said, “Thank you for teaching me how to interact with other people and how to resolve conflict. That I have learned within myself how to deal with hard things.” And they were just saying how many people around them are struggling now that they’re having to be confronted with real issues and real problems. And a lot of it is because we changed our parenting to let them fail.
Dr. Leman: Yeah, that’s sweet, that is sweet.
Doug: But I was just saying, you’re right that when they leave the home, they have way more psychological muscles as you tell us to be able to do it. So parents, you’re not, when you snowplow the roads of life, as Dr Leman says you’re not helping. Well, it was great to be with you guys today. So glad that you are here with us and we hope that we are adding to that parenting toolbox so that you have the confidence that you can just love those kids and that you’re doing the right thing so you can relax.
Doug: And really just see the fruits of doing it the right way. It’s just incredible. So we look forward to be with you the next time.
Andrea: Go hit some tennis balls. Have a good week.
Doug: Take care. Bye bye.
Andrea: Bye bye.
]]>It’s time for another Ask Dr. Leman! How would you handle your 6-year-old if you knew they were leading a group of kids to treat other kids poorly? After getting complaints from parents, the school calls you to deal with it. Find out how Dr. Leman answers this question on today’s episode.
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Doug: Imagine this. You’re at dinner with your wife and your daughter and your two other kids, and the phone rings, and it’s the teacher informing you that your child is the ringleader of a clique that is going around and verbally pushing other kids out of the circle and beyond that, saying really mean things, and that other parents are calling about how mean your child is. What would you do? How would you respond? That’s the question that Heidi asked, that we get to ask Dr. Leman today and get the answer.
Doug: Hi, I’m Doug Terpening.
Andrea: I’m Andrea.
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Heidi: Hi, Dr. Leman. This is Heidi from Virginia. I have a six-year-old daughter in kindergarten who is the youngest of three and the only girl. I have just been informed by her teacher that she’s become the class clique leader and in not a good way. She gets jealous and mean when other kids want to play with her select group of friends, even saying mean things such as, “Can’t you see? We don’t care.”
Heidi: Another parent has called the teacher to discuss my daughter’s treatment of their child. I’m at loss on how to deal with this. I’ve talked to her about it. I think she’s getting through, but sometimes I just feel like it’s not sinking in. Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks so much.
Dr. Leman: Wow. Let me get this straight. Little six year old, Atilla, that would be Heidi’s daughter, is verbally assaulting other kids in the classroom to the point where parents are calling teacher and now teacher’s calling and saying, “Hey listen, your kid is monster-like in the classroom.” And Heidi says, “Help Dr. Leman, Lehman, help.
Dr. Leman: Well I heard the child is the youngest of three kids, right? Did I hear that right?
Andrea: And the only girl. Yes.
Dr. Leman: Yeah. So I asked each of us to think this thing through for a minute. Where did that domineering personality come from? The kid’s six years old. Now class listen carefully, when is personality formed in a child’s life? Within the first what? Five or six years. So if you look at children as wet cement, it’s pretty hardened by age six. My question is, how did a kid get so demanding and powerful by age six, and if she’s got a couple other brothers, it making me think that that environment that she grew up in, she either feels like she has to fight for everything. That she gets ignored or she’s been placated so much and given full reign to call the shots.
Dr. Leman: Now we’re looking at the finished product of acquiescing to her power struggles. Now, what we didn’t hear from mom, is this a kid who through power tantrums, temper tantrums? Is this a kid that demanded that things were just exactly right or she didn’t proceed? Did she hold the family hostage from the youngest position of the family? When I usually see this scenario of a kid who’s really being abusive verbally and all that to other kids, usually you find them right on top of the family. The first born. Who was the closest one to the power-driven parent.
Dr. Leman: Again, I make the point that she’s a powerful child. Kids don’t just get powerful without experiencing power in their home. So either mom or dad has been too authoritarian or she has just felt the weight of the two older brothers. I don’t know how successful or how compliant they are, but my guess would be that they might be compliant for boys.
Dr. Leman: Pardon the generalizations here ladies, on men and young women, but they are different and to see this scenario, youngest child only daughter, is a little unusual. Now let’s get to problem at hand.
Dr. Leman: Number one, you have to realize, Heidi, you are unable to control what happens in that classroom. You have to give the school full authority in dealing with your daughter. How many PTOs have you gone to parents and you heard a school administrator say something like, “We want to partner with a home. We want to work together with you for the betterment of your child.” Well, here’s an opportunity to do that.
Dr. Leman: Again, you can’t control what goes in the classroom, but as soon as little Atilla begins one of her nasty snarky little tirades, she needs to be plucked from the classroom, and put in a thinking chair for lack of a better term. There needs to be a very prescriptive ABC program, how we’re going to follow up with this. In other words, when she starts, she goes to the thinking chair. After a reasonable period of time, teacher asks little Atilla, “Are you ready to join us?” She says, “Yes.” She comes back in and within two minutes she’s back at it again. Bingo.
Dr. Leman: Next move is she’s out of the classroom period. Okay? Keep in mind I’m a guy that really believes in what I call reality discipline, which means the teacher is the authority in the classroom. A teacher can deal with it in the classroom, but since she’s being so disruptive to everybody, you have to remove her from the scene.
Dr. Leman: So step B is remove her from the scene. That means you have to call the office, get somebody to come down and watch your class, walk her down there, or have somebody come down and get her and she deals with a second person, the assistant principal or whatever. If that doesn’t make an impact on the kid and the kid comes back an hour later and we’re right back to square one again, where she’s engaging in that combative behavior, then I would have the child call home from the school office and say, “I don’t know how to behave like a kindergarten scholar and you need to come pick me up now.”
Dr. Leman: It’s an ABC quick approach. It says, the school is not going to tolerate this behavior. Now it gets slam dunked back to who? Back to mom. Mom, you can only deal with what happens in the home. So you can tell your daughter how very unhappy you are, how disappointed you are in the fact that you had to come down to school and get her. You had to leave work, you had to do this, that whatever the situation is, and you have to have the look and the demeanor that I am one unhappy lady.
Dr. Leman: I would suggest that your six year old kindergarten daughter … I mean she ought to had maturity. She’s six, she’s in the kindergarten, so she’s not on the light side. She’s not on the immature side of things. She’s on the older edge of things. She ought to be able to handle this. But again, I think you need to have a heart to heart with yourself and your husband assuming you have a husband, and figure out what are we doing or what have. we done to create such a powerful child.
Dr. Leman: Remember, the powerful child says, I only count life when I dominate, when I win, when I control. That ends up being a really lousy adult someday, a lousy marital mate, a lousy person to be around. So the stakes are high. But rather than drag this out, I would do the ABC, and if it works out in one day, it certainly should get six year old’s attention, that school is no longer going to tolerate your mouth.
Dr. Leman: Who’s in charge of the kid’s mouth? She is. Nobody else is. This is something where she is going to be literally forced to make a decision to either make my life a little easier as a six year old or continue to do battle. So I’d love some followup on this one Heidi, and let us know if you are able to work with a home and school together and see what the immediate results are. But this is a powerful child.
Andrea: So what if the school doesn’t want to follow this prescribed ABC pattern that you’ve lined out for us?
Dr. Leman: Then as a parent, I would say, “Listen, thank you for letting me know about Atilla’s behavior. My husband and I wish you the best at dealing with this difficult problem.”
Andrea: Oh, that’s right.
Dr. Leman: You’ve taken the tennis ball life, you’ve thrown it back in the court. Okay, you deal with it. I can’t deal with it from home. If you’re not willing to do something on your end, I don’t know where we win here. Seems only one that wins is my powerful daughter. If it escalates to physical pushing, shoving, hitting, injuring other kids, school districts pay all kinds of attention to that, because they’re all afraid they’re going to get a call from an attorney, from some overly zealous parent who wants to sue the school district. That’s a tougher question than it appears, but something’s amiss there.
Doug: Before I ask my question, I want to make sure I get this in, which is totally applicable to what we’re talking about. That the ebook promotion is Planet Middle School from November 1st to November 11th of 2019 for a $1.99.
Doug: Dr. Leman, here we are talking about problems with kids, how does Planet Middle School help us in raising our middle school kids?
Dr. Leman: Today you can go on Amazon and look at the reviews of Planet Middle School. It’s not one of my top sellers. The top, I mean top three, but there’s 64 Leman books out there now. But if you look at the reviews, it’s a five-star rated book on Amazon, and of course the parent that’s going to buy that book essentially is the one who’s got a kid going into the sixth grade, seventh grade, eighth grade, somewhere in there. But that book is a gem. Oh my goodness. It’s a $1.99 download. My goodness. Download it, read it. It’s going to show you how to deal with this alien who one day all of a sudden showed up in your home, and you’re asking your husband or your wife, where did our sweet little 11-12 year old go? What happened? What did she drink or eat that changed it, because they do change quickly and they get in this middle school age. It’s a fun age.
Dr. Leman: This book gives you some practical ways of rolling with the many behavioral changes that you’re going to see and hear from your pubescent adolescent’s mouth.
Doug: So get it now. November 1 through 11, 2019 only a $1.99 Planet Middle School. If you have a third, fourth, fifth grader, highly recommend, get it so you know what you’re walking into and it doesn’t just all of a sudden you’re having to react to it. You want to respond and know what you’re walking into.
Dr. Leman: Along that line, I like what you’re saying. If your kid’s in fourth grade, it’s a great time to read that book. Just like, Have A New Teenager by Friday, I make the statement frequently, that the teenage years start around age 11. That’s not a teenager at age 11 or 12, but the way kids are growing up today, and the fact that we’ve decided to put Goliath in that kid’s hand at such an early age, and that would be the cell phone by the way, kids are just growing up so darn quick. So get ahead of the game.
Dr. Leman: You see a highway signs that say, “Warning, curves ahead.” I’ve got news for you parent, it’s a mountainous road and there’s a lot of curves, so be prepared. That’s a good book to read. Planet Middle School, get it.
Doug: Now, a no-nonsense parenting moment with Dr. Kevin Leman.
Dr. Leman: Parents love the old time out. They love, you’re grounded. They love taking away privileges. I won’t go into the feared time out. I’ll tell you this about grounding. If you’re going to ground a kid, ground them, ground them from everything. He goes no place for two days. Give him a 48-hour grounding. What do you mean he goes no place? He goes no place. He stays in the home without privileges. It’s a school day, Leman. He doesn’t go to school either. He makes it up. It’s Sunday. He doesn’t go to church either, he stays home. If you’re going to do that. If you’re going to do grounding, do a 48-hour grounding, they won’t like it, trust me. You may not like either, but that’s a whole other question.
Dr. Leman: Taking away privileges. I want to talk to you about taking away privileges. It is a privilege to live in a home, to live in a country as ours, where we still have some freedoms left, seems like. But taking away privileges many times is done in anger. Whenever you do things in anger that’s not good. The problem is it builds a mindset in a child depending upon how you do it, if you have the right to put me down than I have the right to put you down, and you get in that proverbial power struggle.
Dr. Leman: Rather than take privileges away, and again, kids always want to do things, they always want to be driven to the mall, they always want money, they want to go to a movie, they want to go down to Game Stop and hang out with their buddies. Whatever that is, you can take away the privilege without getting in to the dog and pony show of, all right no more privileges.
Dr. Leman: This gets back to, how do you handle things? Your son says to you, “Mom, would you run me down the mall? We’re going to meet a bunch of guys down there at the video place. We’re going to shoot some video games today.” “No honey, I really don’t feel like driving you today.” And walk away. He’ll come after you, “Mom, what do you mean? Everybody’s going to be there. I need to leave right now.” “Honey, I just told you, mom is not very happy today. I don’t feel like driving anywhere.”
Dr. Leman: What have you done? You’ve taken away the privilege. You haven’t said, “Hey, I’m not driving you anywhere, young man.” But you put an action, a plan that says things are not well in river city. And what I want that young son to understand at age 14 or whatever, that his mouth, his actions has a direct result on the privileges. There’s that word. That he has in this home. The privileges of being driven by a mom who’s kind enough to drive six miles one way so you could have some fun. Do you see what I’m saying? Rather than just be ruled dominated, be relationship dominated. Where you’re sending the message, the relationship between you and me is a strained right now.
Dr. Leman: What has to happen for that relationship to get back on top? It might take at least the next day, because I’ve said many times that kid might be very perceptive and figure out that his mouthiness in the morning just earned him the non-trip to the mall to see his buddies, and he might cuddle up to mom and say, “Oh mom, I’m sorry about what I said.” Right then and there he thinks, I’m at the mall. I said I’m sorry, mom’s going to forgive me, I’m at the mall.
Dr. Leman: No. Parents, always give it a day. When a kid does something, he apologizes. You accept that apology, you move on. But he gets vitamin N for the rest of the day. No matter what he wants to do, it’s, “No honey, I really don’t feel like doing that right now. I’m having a bad day.” Say whatever you want to say. But he’ll be able to connect the dots. Let him see that his behavior influences your behavior, and you want to work toward getting that on a healthy line and not an unhealthy one.
Doug: All right Dr Leman, I’m going to ask the uncomfortable question. So this kid is six years old, the primary influence in her life has been the people that she lives with in her own home. So if I’m Heidi, I don’t want to, but I should probably put a mirror up and look at the adults that are residing in that house, because that’s who’s influenced her. How do I do that? How do I swallow my pride and say, did I contribute to this?
Dr. Leman: Well I think as husband and wife you have to look at each other and say, “My goodness, hearing Leman’s answer was hurtful and a little scary, and I think we both have to look at each other, at ourselves and say, what have we done in the past to help create this kind of behavior in a six year old kid?” I think it’s very matter of fact. You both assume responsibility.
Dr. Leman: Here’s a thought for you parent. What child in your family do you butt heads with the most? Is it A, the one that’s most different from you? Or B, the one most like you? Those of you who guessed B, the one most like you, you get a Tootsie pop, a parental Tootsie pop, because you’re right. So it’s the sameness in us that creates the friction and the headbanging so to speak.
Dr. Leman: I think parents are just wise to take a look at themselves. Look back at age three, do you see where you caved in to her demands? Or age four, the special way she demanded to be treated? Now, if none of this is true in your life, you have a gut check and you say, “Well I don’t think so, I think we’ve held her accountable, we haven’t gone too far left or too far right, we think we’ve used what you call reality discipline in a very well balanced way,” then you might want to look further into this kid. You might want to have someone do a psychological workup on a kid, even at age six, because something’s amiss. A kid should not be full of that much venom at age six. There’s got to be some reasons for that.
Doug: Well, this is Doug Terpening’s passion, this is why I’m begging everyone who’s listening to this, go get the book, Have A New Kid by Friday and read it, so that when Dr Leman says, “Am I applying reality discipline?” You get a chance to look at that and go, “Oh, I am.” And you can start to remove obstacles that are just unnecessary in parenting. It’s easy, but it’s hard, I think is how Dr Leman says it. So for you.
Doug: Then for Heidi or anybody else who has a kid that you think is just this strong-willed, go get the book, Parenting Your Powerful Child. Right? Please for your own sake. Really for the child’s sake too. Those are two great options for you to get, and please, please, please, don’t just sweep them under the carpet, but hold the mirror up and look at yourself. It’s painful and it’s hard, but then you’re happy.
Doug: Okay. Now I’ve gone to preaching haven’t I Andrea? I should stop.
Dr. Leman: Yeah. You know Doug, I can hear a parent saying, “Well, my child’s not powerful. In fact, she’s very quiet. She’s very shy. She’s very sensitive.” Hey parent, that’s why Doug is telling you to read Parenting Your Powerful Child, because that shy, seemingly helpless sometimes child, very sensitive as you like to say, is actually a very powerful child, that you have to tippy toe around.
Dr. Leman: So when Doug says, read this, he’s not trying to sell you a book, okay? At $1.99 download, trust me, nobody’s getting wealthy on you plucking down a $1.99. But what you’re buying in that book, quite frankly, is solid gold. That book rocks. It gives parents an opportunity to get behind your child’s eyes and see the maladaptive behavior and thinking that’s going on in your kid’s mind. So you want to deal with that upfront as best you can. So anyway, for what it’s worth.
Doug: And again, I know we’re way out of field here from what Heidi’s question is, but I’ll tell you the other benefit, it helps you in other relationships. Once you can start to look at yourself and you start to realize how to parent better, you realize, “Oh, I do these same things to my spouse.” And you’re like, “Hm, maybe that’s why it’s not as well.” Okay, I’ll stop. It just makes life better. I’m done.
Doug: So Dr Leman, in conclusion, for Heidi, and helping all those parents out there, let me make sure I get this right. A, I call the school and say, “School, I’m 100% behind you. I am with you. This is your issue in the classroom. Discipline her. Here’s our suggestions. And if you do it, you’re not going to hear any complaints from us. We’re with you. We’ve got your back.
Doug: And if they call back and say a week later, “We can’t do that.” Then you say, “It’s your issue. She’s in school, this is what you’re paid to do.” And then the other step at home, I am looking at myself, I’m talking to my husband, if he’s there or my boyfriend, and we’re like, “What are we doing to contribute to this problem?” Did I get that right?
Dr. Leman: Yes, you got an A.
Andrea: Good job.
Doug: Alrighty. Thank you Heidi for your question, and thank all of you for joining us for this episode. We hope that it helps you again, just be able to add to your parenting toolbox so that you have the freedom just to love those kids the way that you hope to, because you know you’re doing what’s best for them. So until we get to see you again-
Andrea: Have a great week.
Doug: Take care. Bye-bye.
]]>On today’s episode, Dr. Leman defines the “Bread and Water” treatment and gives examples on how and when one should implement this last resort method.
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Doug: Bread and water. I like bread a lot. I drink a lot of water. But Dr. Leman says, “Give them the bread and water treatment.” What the heck is the bread and water treatment? And how do I actually apply it? And Doug and Andrea want to know because we’ve been trying to do this and don’t know how to do it correctly.
Doug: Hi, I’m Doug Terpenine.
Andrea: And I’m Andrea.
Doug: And we are so glad that you are with us. If this is your first time here, welcome. We want to let you know that this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or your child, please go seek a local professional for help.
Doug: Well, Dr. Leman, we slip these into you every now and then and this is one that Doug Terpenine wants to know an answer to, so you’re now helping Doug Terpenine. Maybe I should have recorded it and played it back as a question. I could’ve been like that, “Hi Dr. Leman, this is
Doug Terpenine and we have a problem.” We have a dear friend whose son has just become uber defiant. He won’t do his chores, he basically won’t do his schoolwork, like he’s-
Andrea: He’s 17.
Doug: He’s 17. Dad talks to him and he just basically snarkies back to him and they were asking us for advice and I said, “Give them the bread and water treatment.” I also thought the toilet paper example too and they’re like, “Well what is it?” I’m explaining to them and then I’m like, “Oh no, I’m even afraid.” Like a, what is the bread and water treatment and when do you apply it and how do you apply it so that if I go back to them I can explain it to them. So there you go, Dr. Leman. What is the bread, water treatment and how do I apply it?
Dr. Leman: The time to apply the bread and water treatment is when you feel like you’ve exhausted about everything and that you are exhausted. I mean in the case of your friend’s kid, 17 years old, defiant doesn’t do a thing, doesn’t do schoolwork. Probably is very mouthy and disrespectful, certainly doesn’t help around the house. He’s just living off it is what he’s doing.
Dr. Leman: And that would be a case where I would say to a parent, if I was doing a consultation with them, I would say, “You know what your kid needs is your kid needs the bread and water treatment because quite frankly, your kid does not have a grateful bone in their body.” And I think it’s really important to treat kids, teach kids rather to be grateful. Most kids in America have clean sheets on their bed. They have freshly laundered towels, wash cloths available to them.
Dr. Leman: Their parents either give them spending money to buy their own clothes or mom is always buying socks, underwear, jeans, you name it. Shoes, athletic shoes for kids. Kids today in America, North America, you Canadians included, you’ve got it made. You’re cared for, you’re overprotected. It’s amazing your parents don’t put helmets on kids the second they’re born, you’re so over protective of the kids. That makes me ill to think about.
Dr. Leman: And so you get these kids who are ungrateful little brats, who grow up to be strong-willed, anti-authority. I don’t care what the authority comes from. They don’t like it. They don’t like anybody telling them what to do. So to answer your question, what’s the bread and water treatment? You give them nothing. That’s where that comes from. The bread and water treatment. There’s food in the house, they are welcome to eat some of it. There’s water at the tap, there’s a bread and a water.
Dr. Leman: That’s where that comes from. That’s all they get. They don’t get driven to school. In fact, I’m going to start by getting everybody’s attention. If I had a kid like you described Doug, who was 17 years of age, didn’t do a lick at school, probably doesn’t show up at school some days. When he’s at school, he does nothing. I’ll tell you what I would do. I would go down and without that kids notice or input, I would withdraw that kid from the local school and I would tell my 17 year old that he is free to go to work, get a job and if he wants any services of the family, he’s going to have to work and give something back to the family in exchange for services rendered here at home.
Dr. Leman: And furthermore, I would tell him, using the toilet paper technique that we’ve talked about before, if you haven’t, we’re not even going to explain it to you. We’ll let you figure it out what it is. Go back and listen to some other podcast. Give him the toilet paper treatment that says, “You know what? On your 18th birthday, which is coming up here in four and a half months, you are free. We are no longer holding you back from the many things you want to do in life. The adventures await you, success awaits you and nobody wishes you more luck than good old mom and dad. But when you turn 18 you’re out of here. You need to go find your own place.”
Andrea: Okay compassionate Andrea has to jump in here.
Dr. Leman: But see, that’s the bread and water treatment that says we’re done. So you can say, “Leman, it sounds like you’re going on strike.” Yeah, we are going on strike. We’re done. Because everything we have tried has been thrown back in our face. And so we’re throwing in the towel. We come to realize that we can’t change you. You have to be who you want to be. And apparently this is who you want to be, but you can’t be who you want to be on our nickel once you hit 18.
Dr. Leman: And so this is a kid that might go down and sign up for the army and that might be a good thing because he won’t be able to pull the kind of stuff he pulls with you to a tough master Sergeant. So again, it’s one of those last resorts as a parent that says, “You know, I’m making a fool of myself here. I keep giving this kid money and he comes home smoking like pot. I’m supporting his habit, he’s driving my car that I ensure and he’s not a responsible kid. And I give him the keys to the car.”
Dr. Leman: Who’s the dumb one here? The kid or you? I can answer that. You. You’re the dumb one. You’re the one that gave the kid the keys to the car. Well, Dr. Leman, I mean school, we think school’s very important. Well, he doesn’t. There’s the problem. And by the way, you talk about not driving him to school. Do you know he lives … We live a mile and a quarter from the school. Exercise is good. Talk to the American Health Association, they’ll tell you, he can walk.
Dr. Leman: I know. I grew up in Buffalo, New York. He can walk. Trust me. So I’m just saying, one of my little things that you find in the book, Making Children Mind Without Losing Yours is there’s a time to pull the rug out and let the little buzzer tumble and those little tumbles sometimes hurt. Sometimes they get scraped up emotionally with that. But you’ve got to draw the line someplace.
Dr. Leman: And in this kid, your friend’s 17 year old son, that line should have been drawn years ago and you wouldn’t be facing what you’re facing today. So again, do you want a blow out or a slow leak? I’m always of the blowout. I’d much rather have a blowout and deal with things early than let things just erode away.
Andrea: Okay. That’s really painful because what if this kid just takes to the streets? It’s not like mom’s done. Mom’s heart is going to be crushed over and over by where this child’s life is going.
Dr. Leman: Andrea, there’s thousands of parents tonight throughout the US who are wondering where their kids are, who are under the age of 18. There are kids who just figure they know more than the rest of us and they are out in the streets and any time a kid leaves the home, he is in peril. She is in peril. I think I’ve told the story on one of our podcasts where a 15 year old girl knew it all. She took off and she never saw noon the next day. she was found strangled, she was killed.
Dr. Leman: But anytime you go out on your own as a youngster, you’re at risk. What am I going to do? Tie a kid to the bed that wants to run away? My advice to parents when kids run, and usually they run to another kid’s house, usually they’re not on the street. Usually, they’re at one of their buddies’ houses.
Dr. Leman: And I’ve had cases where the kid runs away. He still goes to school, which I think is funny. So yeah, it’s hard to hear. But it took 17 years to get that kid to that rebellious point. And if the parent would have read Making Children Mind or Have A New Kid By Friday and implemented some of those simple techniques when that kid was six and seven and kicking them and name calling and all the things that kids do when they become powerful, they would have never got to this point where that 17 year old is there.
Doug: So how does someone like Andrea though realize that doing all these drastic changes are not going to make his life worse?
Dr. Leman: Well, if you look at anybody who did a metamorphosis in their life, they did a real 180, you’ll find that cornerstone of that was failure. It wasn’t victory. Trust me, it came out of failure. It’s just like the drug addict. I’m going to go out and greet a kid this week who is a former heroin addict. He’s been in jail several times.
Dr. Leman: And you know what, with God’s help, he’s beat it. And he’s got a responsible job and he’s getting there. He’s in his twenties, he now wears a tie to work and I’m going to go out. I’ve never met this kid by the way. He’s a grandson of a friend of mine and I’m going to go out and I’m going to meet him and I’m going to say, “Hey, my name is Kevin. I’ve heard your inspiring story and I just want to congratulate you because I love inspiring stories.” And I’m going to extend my hand and shake his hand, which I hope he’ll shake my back because he’ll find some money in that handshake and I will leave.
Dr. Leman: All he knows is I’m Kevin. And I just wish him well. My wife and I have done that kind of stuff for years. I call it natural tithing. If anybody cares for a term for that. I call it natural tithing. I love success stories like that. But that kid was going nowhere and it was through some tough love, some bread and water treatments on the part of people who really loved and cared about him that helped him make that decision that I don’t want to live like this anymore. I don’t want to be homeless. I don’t want to live on the streets.
Dr. Leman: So are all those stories successes? No. Most of them don’t end up in success. A lot of them have tragic endings. But I’m asking you, what do you do with that 17 year old? Do you continue to placate and give and get nothing back? That doesn’t seem like a healthy relationship to me.
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Dr. Leman: Well, it’s a book that will change your marriage, ladies. It’s going to teach you some basics that you have to understand about us as men. Things that you assume about us will be revealed in this book not to be true. It’s going to get your attention. You’re not going to believe some of what I write in that book, but trust me, it is well worth your reading.
Dr. Leman: It is one of my all time favorite books. I would say in the top four or five for sure of all the books that I’ve authored and it’s a must read. It’s a read you want. If you’re an adult and you’ve been married several years and you’ve got kids starting off in relationships, it’s a great book for them to read as well.
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Dr. Leman: All right, you parents, you know, I’ll tell you the truth. There’s days I just close my computer. You asked me all kinds of questions and actually, I think I’m about as responsible as anybody at trying to answer questions for people. But there’s so many, I can’t get through them all. But I do my best. I want you to know that.
Dr. Leman: But one of the major questions I get from parents is at what age do I give my son or daughter a cell phone? I’ve heard all the safety arguments. Dr. Leman, we just want to make sure our little Harper can contact us if he needs us. Oh, you can get him a cheap cell phone for that. You don’t have to get him an eight or a 10, you don’t have to get him a smart phone. You get him a dumb phone.
Dr. Leman: Parents always want to pin down an age. I try not to do that and yet I think today, by the time I’m done, I’m probably going to give you an age to consider. Kids who are, I mean five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10, 11, 12, there’s no way those kids should have cell phones, but they have them. They have them in great number, especially the 12, 11, 10s. I mean almost all kids have cell phones. Cell phones are wonderful things, but kids grow up way too fast.
Dr. Leman: There was a book once called All Grown Up And Nowhere To Go. That’s how kids are today. They’re all grown up way too early and they’re getting into things that, quite frankly, they shouldn’t, that are very destructive. without coming across like the old guy that I am, if you asked me for a time, a date, I would say no earlier than 14. If you pushed me hard, I could say 16 but kids today are way overly involved in their phone, in YouTube, in Instagram and you name it.
Dr. Leman: We were sitting in a restaurant this week. There were seven at the table. There were three adults and four kids and of the seven at the table restaurant, five of them had their heads in a cell phone. And what they’re looking at, who knows? Is it stuff they have to look at? No. That little cell phone has trained us. If you hear a little bing, I mean you’re like a rabbit with her ears up. You can’t wait to see why your phone just pinged. Late breaking news. Here it is. Are they useful? Yes. Are they great? In many ways. Should you use restraint in getting kids to have cell phones? Yes. I think you should.
Dr. Leman: I say 14. You say 11, you say nine. Go ahead. Give it him at nine. Give it him at 11. You’re the ones that asked me the question. Okay. I try to give you a straight answer. I think 14 is about the proper age to give a kid a cell phone. Also think they ought to be thoroughly engaged in paying for that cell phone because it’s going to drop. It’s going to crack and all that. Let them save, let them work hard to get that cell phone. Don’t just hand them a cell phone. Over and out. Call me if you don’t like this.
Doug: Okay, Dr. Leman. So here’s where we stumbled on applying the bread and water treatment with our friends was they asked, “So he can’t eat whatever he wants in the fridge that he feeds himself.” But then they were saying, “Well ,if he does chores, do we say, ‘Okay, you now get heat and electricity?'” How do you apply it? He’s only doing 10% of the chores and stuff like that. How do you actually administer it?
Andrea: I was going to add that they’re to the point where they’re saying the next thing they’re going to do is buy him a tent and tell him you live outside. So yeah.
Dr. Leman: Well, you need a day of reckoning. There needs to be a time where you say very calmly that, “You know what, things aren’t working out here like we thought they would. They’re certainly not working out for you. You’re very unhappy here. You’ve made that known to not only us as your parents, but to your brothers and sisters and it’s time that we come up with a little different way of doing things and you’re going to see some changes in us real soon. You’re probably not going to like those changes you see.”
Dr. Leman: And that’s how I’d start. I’d start with just that, that you’re going to see changes and he’s going to test that out. He’s going to ask for that $20 bill. He’s going to be asked to be driven someplace. Your response is going to be, “Honey, I don’t feel like driving anywhere now.” “But mom, I need …” “No, I hear what you’re saying, but you have to really hear what I’m saying. I’m not driving anywhere. You don’t need my permission for anything. You’ve made it clear. You want to live your life the way you want to live it. Well, you live it. Go ahead and live it.”
Dr. Leman: And when he gets left out of things that you might do with the rest of the family, he’ll notice that. “Honey, every time you’re included, we have a big blowout and everybody goes on unhappy and we’re done. We’re not doing that anymore.” So bit by bit, he sees his whole world is beginning to crumble around him.
Dr. Leman: It’s called reality discipline. You’re letting the reality of the situation become the teacher to the child. This can’t go on like this, it’s broken so you’re here until you’re 18. We’ll have that conversation. It doesn’t have to all be in the same day. That’s why I say if Doug’s asking a question about how do you implement that, just let him know that he’s going to see some changes.
Dr. Leman: But there are going to be changes he’s not going to like, because you’re not kowtowing to him. You’re not placating him. You’re not giving him things that he says he needs or want. There’s food in the house and there’s water to drink and you got your clothes in your room and do what you want to do.
Doug: Would you ever say to the kid, “Hey, in four months, you’re out of here, so let’s just start practicing now. we’re giving you nothing like you’ll have in four months.”
Dr. Leman: That’s what the conversation about is, you know, you have to learn how to say that. You have to put it almost tongue in cheek. There’s success out there waiting for you. You seem to know everything there is to know in life. You certainly don’t need our input. We wish you the best. But on your 18th birthday, you will be out of this home and if, by chance, your 18th birthday comes and goes and you haven’t removed yourself from our home, your personal belongings, you will find outside of our home. And you can do with those whatever you want.
Doug: So say it but not in spite. Don’t say it spitefully just say it frankly.
Dr. Leman: No, it’s hard to speak the truth in love, Doug, because our emotions, you know, for the Andreas of the world, she would have a terrible time doing that. She’d be a mess.
Andrea: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Dr. Leman: You’d have to be the one that stands up. She’s going to be hiding behind you, using a good deal of Kleenex. Those kinds of things, it goes back to we can’t keep living like this. It goes back to the slow leak theory. There’s a time for action, not pointing fingers, but you know, if we would have done this long time ago, we wouldn’t have got to this point. So those are tough things. Parents, if you’ve never read, Have A New Teenager By Friday, there’s a lot of action-oriented stuff in that book. For those of you who have middle-schoolers, Planet Middle School. If you’re struggling with a mouthy middle schooler and you don’t like today’s topic and you never want to be there with your kid, read Planet Middle School, it’ll help put you on a path that will have a lot happier ending than the one we’re talking about today.
Doug: Yeah, and I’ll also throw in Making Children Mind Without Losing Yours as well. And maybe we’ve given you too many books to read, but we just beg of you, go get one of these books and read it for yourself so that you don’t end up in this spot. Because I can tell you, Andrea and I were fostering rebellion until we changed our parenting ways. And you don’t want to. You don’t want it. So it breaks our heart. So go read those books for your sake. Not for ours, but for yours.
Doug: Well, thank you Dr. Leman for helping us out. This is still going to be a tough conversation with our friends. I don’t know how we’re still going to help them fully see it, but this definitely, definitely helps me and we appreciate it. [inaudible 00:18:55].
Doug: Well, we look forward to the next time we get to be with all of you. And don’t forget, Have A New Husband By Friday, October 15 to 31st of 2019 for $2.99. Go and get it. Take care.
Andrea: Have a good week.
Doug: Take care. Bye bye.
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Doug: Dr. Leman has taught Andria and I an amazing concept, B does not happen before A. And if you don’t know what that is, we’ll tell you again. If you have heard it and you’re sitting there with your arms crossed thinking, “I don’t think it works,” well, Sally asked us today says, “It ain’t working for me.” And we get that to Dr. Leman, why is it not working for Sally? How come B before A isn’t working? But I got a hint. It might be. Hi, I’m Doug.
Andrea: I’m Andrea.
Doug: And we are so glad that you are joining us today on the podcast. If this is your first time, we just want to say hello and we want to let you know that this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or your child, please go seek a local professional for help. Well, Dr. Leman, it’s been a long, long, long, long, long time since I’ve asked this question. We pick up new listeners all time. Do you have any experience dealing with counseling individuals about parenting? Have you ever done that face to face? And if so, how long and what did you use to do?
Dr. Leman: Oh gosh. I started working with families in 1967, so you do the math. Let’s see. That’s 33 years that way and 19 years the other way, 33 and 19 is how many? Somebody said, “Oh my goodness, he’s going to die any second. I hope he finishes this podcast. He’s old.” Yes. I’ve been at this a long time folks coach.
Doug: How many books do you have out now? Two, three, four?
Dr. Leman: 63. In fact, I was in New York this summer and I saw a book. I said, now that’s a good title. I looked at it and I did a double-take because at the bottom it said, “Dr Kevin Leman, New York times bestselling author.” I thought, “Holy crow, I don’t remember that book. How can you forget a book?” But there’s 63 of them out there and my hope is I just never see one for a quarter at a garage sale. That would really break my heart. There’s a lot of them out there. Some are better than others. That’s just the way it is in life. But all of them are designed to help you and make you chuckle as you learn. So if you didn’t learn anything, it’s on me, and if you didn’t chuckle, it’s on me. I’ll take both hits. There you go.
Doug: Well, I just wanted people again, to have the confidence that you’ve done this. You’re not just a book writer, but you used to sit down face to face with couples and help them through all sorts of, not only parenting, but marriage as well. So there you go, guys. We’re talking to a guy who has seen a lot and has stayed really relevant. He’s running schools, charter schools around the world and so he’s engaged in kids’ lives today, still to this day. So that’s why we get to do and that’s why we love it. Today we get to do one of my favorite things, which is when you record your questions, that we get to ask Dr. Leman. If you want to leave a question for him, you go to birthorderguy.com and go to, I think it’s podcast/podcast questions and you can leave a question. So here we go. We get to hear Sally’s question for Dr. Leman.
Sally: Hi Dr. Leman. We have an almost seven year old who is pretty angry at times and when we ask him to do something, he will almost always respond with an angry no. We try A before B but the delay in his getting what he wants [inaudible 00:03:45]. And having a bad attitude and sometimes having violence to myself, my husband or his brother or sister. I just wonder what would do to improve his attitude and [inaudible 00:00:04:06]. Thank you.
Dr. Leman: Well, first of all, Sally has to understand something. She and her husband have created a powerful child. Seven year olds who are angry and violent don’t get there by being out in the sun too long or drinking water or whatever. They’ve learned to become powerful because they have authoritarian people around them. They take their cues from us and if there’s ever a theory, an approach that works with kids, it’s this one. It’s so simple, that B doesn’t happen until A gets completed. The fact that he is so explosive when he learns that there’s a consequence, tells me all right, the diagnosis is this is a powerful child. And will the powerful child, like a fish out of water, test your metal? Yes. He’s not only an attention getter, he’s going to make you pay attention. Well, how do you make parents pay attention?
Dr. Leman: Well, how bout being nasty and loud and boisterous and say hurtful things? How bout being violent or destroying things? That’ll get your attention. When you follow through, and because a child didn’t do something, he comes and asks. He comes and ask and you had asked him to do something earlier in the day and it’s still not done. And you say to him very matter-of-factly, “Johnathon, the answer to your question is no. You were asked to pick up your room this morning, and I see it’s still a mess.” Now, the smart, powerful child will say, “Oh my goodness, I forgot,” which is a flat out lie, but at least he’s smart saying, “Hey, I forgot.” He’s going to go and he’s going to clean his room up. He’s going to say, “Mom, I cleaned my room. Can I go now?” And the smart mom will say, “Well, no, you can’t go now because the problem is you really didn’t clean it when I asked you to. I asked you to clean it six hours ago, not now.”
Dr. Leman: Again, that powerful kid, because he feels like he’s the center of the universe, he’ll kick your shins, he’ll roll on the floor, he’ll tell you, “You’re the worst parent in the world. I hate you. I’m going to run away.” They’ll tell you anything to try to put you on your heels. So it’s really important that you keep your cool, Sally, that you don’t get flustered. Your yes is yes, your no is no. You’ve already said no and you stick to your guns, and nothing basically happens until he does what you asked him to do. Let me give you something fresh off my computer just this week. A woman writes a question to me and she says, “We just don’t know what to do. We’ve got this wonderful kid. He’s never given us any problems. He’s now 13 years old. He told both of us to shut up and we don’t know what to do.”
Dr. Leman: This is so out of character, and I wrote back, okay, then let’s shut up. The next time he ask to be driven to the mall, just shut up, turn your back and walk away. The next time he ask $20 for something he needs at school, leave your wallet, stay where it is and walk away, and tell him no. He’ll get the idea. He’ll come and say, “What is wrong with you? I need $20 for this. I need to go here. I need to go there.” And that’s when you slip on the commercial announcement that says, “Listen, we don’t like the way you shut your mouth off at us. We don’t think that’s how kids should talk to parents. We don’t like that. So, that doesn’t work in our home.” The kid will get the message and my question to everybody listening, if you do that and you’re consistent with that for an afternoon, a day or whatever, what’s a kid going to do?
Dr. Leman: I think he’s going to come around and say something to the effect of, “Mom, dad, I’m sorry about what I said,” and then we reestablish the relationship. We issue forgiveness and grace and life goes on. Kids are dumb. They’re going to say all kinds of dumb, stupid things. That’s not the first or last dumb thing your kid’s going to say. So I’m just saying there’s not a better principal to put in your life on a daily basis. You have kids, is that B does not happen until A gets completed. It just reeks of responsibility. Keeps the tennis ball life, as I like to say, on the right side of the court, and it works. So all of the atrics that’s coming in your home, Sally, is really his way of saying I don’t like it when you’re a good parent.
Andrea: I just have to clarify something in my own mind. You use the example of the child not cleaning their room and then they go and do it because mom says, “Oh no, you can’t do B because you didn’t clean your room.” So they go and clean their room and then she still says no because you didn’t do it when I asked. So A is not that one particular instance. It’s that you’re showing me that you’re going to listen to me and do what I say, what I ask you to do the first time at that time. Because I think I would fall into that category. Oh great.
Dr. Leman: Let me give compassionate mom. That would be you, Andria. It’s a little added information that you can put in your parental toolbox. You can say, “Honey, I appreciate the fact you did that, but you know what? I needed you to do that six hours ago. And so as far as your request to do this or do that, I’ll tell what? I’ll think about it overnight and I’ll give you an answer tomorrow. How’s that?” So see, you’re just building in another level that says, listen, there’s a consequence. Maybe it was something like, would you run in the baby’s room and get me a pamper? And the kid doesn’t respond. So you have to get up, you leave your baby on the rug, you got to walk back to the back bedroom, get the pamper, come back, no harm done. The kid’s still there. We’re happy about that.
Dr. Leman: But it’s a huge inconvenience. But it also lends, I think, some support to, when we ask kids to do things, sometimes when you do it is really important. It’s not helpful for me two hours later for you to run and get a pamper. I don’t need a pamper now. I needed it two hours ago. I wasn’t happy about the fact you just didn’t seem to listen to me. You sort blew me off and you continued playing with your Legos. I felt like I didn’t exist in the room and it wasn’t a good feeling. And as your mom, I’m here to tell you, I never want to feel like that. So again, I call that establishing a quality that you’re telling your child that mom has feelings. Dad has feelings too. We’re not just objects that are here to serve you. And again, keep in mind what we’re teaching kids is they’re not the center of the universe. Other people count in life. So if that helps, does that help soothe your feathers there mama [inaudible 00:10:14]? I better be careful, Doug.
Andrea: Yes.
Dr. Leman: It seems she will come after me here if I’m not careful.
Andrea: I think it’s pretty hard.
Dr. Leman: All right, we love you. You know that, Andria.
Doug: Oh yeah, you couldn’t see it on the air, but I was laughing at her and she’s like, “But you do the same things.”
Andrea: And he admits that. Yes, he does the same thing.
Doug: Does that sooth your feathers?
Andrea: It makes sense. But see what I’m thinking is the kids are going to be like, because they probably been trained, “Okay, now. All right, I’ll go do that so now I can get onto B.” So really what it shows is the importance of training them from the beginning that I mean A now and then we move on down the letters.
Doug: Okay. Before I come back and ask a follow up question to that, because I forget this, I want to make sure I get the ebook offer in today. So the ebook offer for you is Have a New Husband by Friday, October 15 to 31 of 2019 for $2.99, Have a New Husband by Friday. Dr Leman, I almost hate to ask this question, but I will. What is this lousy, no good, horrible book about?
Dr. Leman: Well, thank you for asking, Doug. It’s literally one of my favorite all time books. Some books quite frankly are just more fun to do than others, but this is a book, Doug, that every man should really like and love and want his wife to read, because among other things in this book, Have a New Husband by Friday, I teach women why it’s so important not to ask your husband questions. Why it’s so important not to use the why word. What your husband needs more than else from you.
Dr. Leman: This is a wonderful book that teaches women who are the relational gurus of life. I’ll give you that, ladies, you’re like that little energizer bunny of communication. You just keep going, but I’m just telling you as straight out as I can. The great majority of you, the huge majority of you do not understand how your husband thinks, and this is a book designed to help you have a new husband because the changes that you’re going to make in your life are going to bring forth a husband who’s going to be much more tuned into your feelings. He’s going to be much more apt to listen to you. So this is one of those books where you see the title of it. It’s a little deceiving. It should be called Have a New You by Friday, Mama. But anyway, it’s a good book for 2.99. I would tell all my friends about that one.
Doug: Andy and I have been married 21 years and we are still learning how much we didn’t understand about what the other person thought. So if you want to skip 21 years of having to bang your head against the wall to learn something, get Have a New Husband by Friday for $2.99 October 15th to Halloween of 2019, October 31st. Now a no nonsense parenting moment with Dr. Kevin Leman.
Dr. Leman: I’m going to share with you one of my favorite scriptures. The book of John is my favorite book in the Bible. And if you’re not in the Bible, just chill and you can listen if you want or not. But it’s Jesus’ first miracle in Canaan, Galilee and they run out of vino at a wedding. They run out of wine. And I love this because Jesus mother is there and his mother, Mary, comes to Him and says, “Hey son, do your thing. They’re out of wine.” Jesus looks at his mother and he’s not happy. In fact, I think he’s irritated and he says to his mother, “Woman,” calls his mother, woman, “Woman, what are you to do with me?” He separates himself from his mom. Well, what does this smart Jewish mother… And we can all learn from the wisdom of a smart Jewish mother, trust me.
Dr. Leman: What does this smart Jewish mother say to her son Jesus? Does she say, “What did you say? Do you know who you’re talking to, young man? You’re talking to your mother. You know I gave birth to you when I was 14 and a half years of age, you ungrateful little smut?” No, that’s not what the Bible says. This smart Jewish mother turns to the steward and says, “Do whatever my sons tells you to do.” I’m telling you, she is like the pro tennis player who just slam the tennis ball back on a Jesus side of the court. That’s what you and I have to be good at as parents, putting the tennis ball back on the right side of the court. “Mom, where’s my shoes?” “Sweetheart, with God as my judge, I haven’t worn your shoes in several days.” You can put some humor in it.
Dr. Leman: Kids will always be working you. They think somehow you’re their mop. You mop up things for them. You find things for them. You do everything for them. And so I need some of you to become not such a good mom, if you know what I mean, to really be helpful to your son, to your daughter. Learn how to put that tennis ball live back in the court. And by the way, Jesus did end up changing the water into wine. As a sidebar, the guy tasted it as, “Wow, you’re not like most.” Wow, he got that right. He says, “Usually, the guy brings the good wines out at first, but later when everybody is full and doesn’t carry, brings out the cheap wine. But you have saved the best for last.” Your thought for the day. Almighty God gave us the perfect one in his son Jesus. The rest of us, we’re very imperfect, but we’re learning and that’s why we listen to these podcasts, don’t we? So do the best you can to keep that tennis ball alive in your son or daughter’s side of the court.
Doug: So the question out of the break is not for Dr. Leman, but it is for Andria.
Andrea: I don’t like being put on the spot.
Doug: I know you don’t. So you are Uber empathetic, Uber mercy, right? That’s your gifts to everybody. But what do you need to know in your heart to apply this? What do you need to know that this is the right? I’m not going to hurt my child. They’re still going to love me. I’m still a good mom if I hold them accountable to this.
Andrea: Right. That in the end or maybe next year, that this will be built into them and they will understand the value of listening like Dr. Leman talked about in the last podcast and following through right out of the gates. And I think in my mind, I’m trying to draw the line between being authoritarian. How do you do that without coming across as the authoritarian parent? That’s for you, Dr. Leman.
Dr. Leman: You’re not getting off the hook that easy. I want you to restate your position on this.
Andrea: I think it’s hard. Generally, my kids are really compliant. So it’s hard when there’s something good out there that they’re not going to get to do and it’s very hard not to give in and say, okay, they finally did it. So now we can, or I’ll just smooth the waters and I will do the such and such because tomorrow, I’m going to pay because they had to be up late doing the dishes and I now have to deal with a tired, grumpy person. So it’s easier for me to give in. But what I have to know, what Doug is trying to get out of me, is that this is going to pay off and it’s very hard for me to swallow that in the moment.
Dr. Leman: Well, you did. You always do good. Trust me. I wrote a book once called Smart Women Know When to Say No, and I talk about the pleasing personality in that book. And pleasers please others so much that it ends up being a detriment to their own personal growth and certainly have a hard time answering the question, who am I? Because they involve themselves so thoroughly and divest their energies in other people’s lives. It’s hard for them to delineate their mind, who I am. I think you do the right thing. I think you tell yourself, “You know what? This was difficult for me knowing my personality, but you know what? I did the right thing and in the long run, this is going to help my son, going to help my daughter function through life a little better, because I was brave enough to do something that isn’t really easy for me to do. That’s not my personality.”
Dr. Leman: I’ll never forget. My wife was on a jury and the guy flat out, stole something from a store. I mean, he was absolutely guilty. I mean, he was caught red handed. Well, I just thought well, maybe he just forgot. With four things under his coat, he forgot. Her all inclination is to always give that person a second or a third choice. Well, the guy beat the rap. For all I know, he’s in state penitentiary today. Maybe if they would have convicted him of that minor crime, he would’ve got his life turned around. I just think that we have so little accountability built into our system today. Politically, I mean, take a look at what’s going on in our country. It’s crazy. There doesn’t seem to be any accountability and we are divisive to the nth degree.
Dr. Leman: And so when a parent makes a tough choice, that’s difficult for them. I just don’t think they have a choice other than to say, “I did the right thing. This is good for my child. It’s good for my kid.” I mean, how many of you dread taking your kids for inoculations? And seeing those little guys squirm and cry and all of that. I mean, you do that because the great, huge majority of people, professional and otherwise, feel those inoculations are good for kids. So you do some things that are tough as a parent because you love your kids and your personality is just such that it makes it a little bit more difficult than maybe the person next to you. But you do the right thing and so you self-talk. You’d tell yourself, “Hey, I’m okay. This is good. It’s going to be all right.” If you’ve got an encouraging husband, which you do have, he comes along side and sort of reinforces that, life goes on.
Andrea: He’s the one that’s able to tell the line for A before B.
Doug: Well, thank you Andria for being real and vulnerable. I think there’s a lot of others that are gracious and thoughtful like you and like me, and that really helps them out. And thank you Dr. Leman for again giving us this super easy reason to hang on to this concept and not give in to our kids and to help them out. Like it’s helped us out so much to be able to realize no, you don’t get to go play with your friends because you did not do the dishes. It just like it’s so, and that we are training our child so that they are responsible later down the roads and we’ve launched two kids now and both of them have come back to us already and said, “Mom and dad, thank you for teaching us to be responsible because we get our stuff done and we get to go play and without drama, and we see people around us that don’t do it and there’s so much drama in their life that’s unnecessary.” So your kids will probably even thank you for that.
Dr. Leman: Here’s another little one liner I love to use and that is grant and fantasy, what you can’t in reality. Sometimes when you explain to a kid, especially a kid that’s 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 years of age, you can say to them, “Honey, it’d be great if you could go to that event. You’d have a great time. But unfortunately, based on the fact that you didn’t do some simple things that we asked you to do today, the answer is no. So do I feel bad that you’re unable to go? I do, but I feel really good about the fact that I’m doing what I need to do and that is hold you accountable for the decision that you made. That wasn’t a decision that I made. So you can get mad at me, you can get angry at me, but that is displaced because you should be angry with yourself because you had an opportunity to do what I asked you to do. It was a very simple task. You chose not to do it and now you don’t like paying the consequence.”
Dr. Leman: “Well, I got news for you. Everybody that gets pulled over by a cop and get cited for speeding, most of them are not praising the efficiency of the officer. They’re angry and they’re mad, which is costing them 240 bucks but it’s a lesson in life.” So anyway, I’m just saying there’s a lot of ways to skin the proverbial cat. Being a parent is not a popularity contest. You need to be the parent, you have to make tough decisions. You got to stick to your guns and your kids will live through it. Gives them psychological muscles.
Doug: So I want to wrap up by giving you again the ebook promotion. Have a New Husband by Friday for $2.99, October 15 to 31 of 2019. And if this is a new concept to you, I can’t demand, but I can beg, go out and buy the book, Have a New Kid by Friday right now as well and read it. And you’ll get this whole concept, not just this one phrase and then you’ll be able to go, “Oh, I see why I want to do this.” Or Making Children Mind Without Losing Yours. Or if you have a powerful child like this, like Sally does, go get Parenting Your Powerful Child. I don’t get any royalties. I get nothing. I want you to be able to love those kids and enjoy them. I’m telling you, Andy and I think our teenage years are the best years because we have applied all these principles and they just work and they make it so much fun to parent.
Doug: Well, it was great to be with you. And Sally, thank you for the question. We love these questions. Keep them coming, and we look forward to the next time we get to be with you.
Andrea: Have a good week.
Doug: Take care.
Andrea: Thanks. Bye. Bye.
]]>The first 5 years are your child’s life are crucial when it comes to parenting. In today’s episode, Dr. Leman lists out 3 necessities to teach your kids before age 5.
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Doug: On today’s episode we get to ask Dr. Leman, what are the three necessities, the three essentials that I must teach my kid before they’re age five? Because he’s told me that by age five that cement is starting to get hardened. Hi, I’m Dr. Penny.
Andrea: And I’m Andrea.
Doug: And we are so glad that you are with us today. If this happens to be your first time with us, we want to let you know that this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or your child, please go seek a local professional for help.
Doug: Okay, Dr. Leman, you’ve told us that by age five, X% of a kid’s personality is set, but I want to know what are those three key essentials that I need to get into my kids before they turn age five.
Dr. Leman: Yeah. Well, that concept comes out of the thought of children are like wet cement. If you’ve ever worked with wet cement or seen someone work with it, it does harden up pretty quickly and so it is with the personalities of our kids. If you want to put this to test in your life, here’s a suggestion around the dinner table. Parents, ask your son or daughter that’s a teenager to describe themselves as a little kid, and just sit back and listen. And listen to the adjectives that they use to describe their personality. And then ask yourself the question, “Did they not just name and enumerate the qualities that they now have at 15, 16, 17 years of age?”
Dr. Leman: The little boy or little girl you once were folks, you still are. You learn to be the human being you are in the first five, six years of life. So almost all of your personality is formed that early. And that’s why we’re addressing this today on our podcast because it’s really important. I’ve said for years, don’t start habits with your children that you don’t want to have continue throughout your kids’ college and postgraduate years.
Dr. Leman: So at age two, about 20 to 40% of your kid’s personality is already formed. That’s frightening. Three, 60%. Four, 80%. Five, nearly 100%. So we take this topic on today. And by the way, just for everyone’s enjoyment. I hate the question that Doug asked me today. It’s name the three. Let me tell you, it could be name the 17 things that are important to teach your child before they harden up, so to speak. But I’m going to take a stab at it only because I love Doug and his pretty wife Andrea, okay?
Dr. Leman: So, I’m going to start… This is like junior Jeopardy. If you’ve been watching Jeopardy, these guys are pretty smart. Man, they’re smarter than I am. I usually get the $200, the $100 answer once during the whole broadcast. But I won’t go into that. So I would say number one is you have to establish your authority as a parent in the home with that child that’s under five. Well, what does that mean? It means you’re not their friend, you’re not their best buddy, you’re not their playmate. You’re mom, you’re dad. You come with a presence of love and acceptance and all the hugs and kisses and all those things. Please, I’m not taking anything out away. Do that as much as you want, but you have to learn as kids develop before your very eyes, what’s developmentally appropriate behavior and what isn’t.
Dr. Leman: Now again, many times when parents read my book, Have a New Kid by Friday, which is pretty action oriented, I think they get ahead of themselves. They think that their two-year old is going to do everything they ask them to do in double time and salute them as well. It doesn’t work that way with two-year olds. The kid just begins to get powerful around age 18 months and that’s when he begins to, and she begins to look at life from behind their rose colored glasses, or at least their skewed blends, and they see life as, “My playground. I’m the center of the universe. I want. It’s mine.” And you’ll get the mine, all the way through the threes. So kids are very hedonistic.
Dr. Leman: So our job in establishing authority is to teach kids that other people count in life and need to be treated accordingly. So back to some specifics. Do you let a 17-month old hit you or a 19-month old hit you? No you don’t. Well, what do you do, Leman? You hold their arms. You’re the adult. Act like an adult, “Honey, we don’t hit people.” So you’re always teaching. And this is three steps forward and two behind. Go back to my earlier statement. This isn’t the military. You don’t issue a dictate and the kids follow in. It takes training. And because different kids come into this world with different mindsets, sort of a build-in personality if you will genetically, you’ve got kids that come out of the womb strong-willed. They got a little bit more fight in them than the guy next to them. So is there an art form to all this? It is. But I think overall number one is establishing your authority.
Dr. Leman: Again, that means you’re not an authoritarian, you’re not permissive. And this means… because these kids are so entertaining, for example, in the twos. They do such cute and funny things. But what you laugh at at two, will you laugh at at four, will you laugh at at six. So again, you’re always in a position where you’re discerning, “Okay, what’s within the boundaries here and what’s out of bounds?” So you begin essentially to discipline children early when a child is playing with something they shouldn’t be playing with or something that might be dangerous, like an electrical outlet. You move quickly, you admonish a child, but you picked him up, you physically removed them from the scene. So anyway, for starters, number one in general, I would say establish authority in the home.
Doug: This is kind of a hard concept right now, right? Authority, that sounds like a bad word almost. And I got a crush my kid by being this authority in their life? That sounds harsh.
Dr. Leman: If you’re an authoritarian, you’ll crush your kid. You’ll tell them what to do, how to do it, and do it on a double. That’s the authoritarian model. Here’s the problem. All of us essentially grew up in an authoritarian environment. If you’re really a young mom today, you’re that 20 year old, 21, 22-year-old mo, maybe your home was not that authoritarian. My guess would be it would be more permissive, because we have certainly moved traditionally from our authoritarian stance to one of permissiveness. And so again, if you love your child, you’ll discipline them. Now, you might not be familiar with biblical concepts, but that is a biblical concept. That if you love your child, you will discipline them. Well, how do you discipline a two year old? I mean, do you swat them on the bottom? I don’t think that’s good. I think you’re just going to make them a more powerful kid.
Dr. Leman: But I think you give them the look, a look of disapproval, you pick them up, you may move them from the scene. Sometimes you put them in a little playpen, which reminds me of the old song Don’t fence me in. There’s something great about fencing in a kid quite frankly. There’s a time where a kid realizes, “Hey, wait, you’re way over bouncy. You need time just to settle down.” And so that’s part of the disciplinary process. But as kids get into the threes and the fours, trust me, they know what they’re doing. I mean, they’re setting you up. They’re playing you like a violin. So being an authority is always part of being loving and empathetic. So we’re not taking any of that away from you parent, okay? We’re just saying you just can’t get frustrated. You’re the adult. You have to control your emotions. And kids will test your emotions and your patience and if you just strike out at your child, then you’re certainly going down the wrong path quickly.
Doug: What would be the second one?
Dr. Leman: Well, I made some notes as we were talking about this and I said, “How important is listening?” Most of us as adults are not good listeners, and here I am saying that number two behind established authority is to teach kids to listen. Well, we train kids essentially in our society not to listen. How do we do that? Well, we do it by telling most kids at least three times when we ask a question. And we say, “Honey, would you do this?” Or it’s time to get ready or turn off the television or pick up your shoes or whatever the command might be. The kids sort of train us to say it three times. I’ve asked kids straight out how many times doe it take for mom or dad to get you to do something. Most kids will say three.
Dr. Leman: One kid, I’ll never forget him, he said, “The first time is sort of a general alert. The second one is she raises the voice a little bit more and a third time, oh, you can see it in her eyes. She means business.” And so we try and kids not to listen to us and what I’m saying is it’s important that you get kids’ attention, that you look them in the eye, that you drop to the knees. If there’s a problem, you need to talk about it and you’re going to speak the truth in love. I know you’re talking to a two year old or three year old or a four year old, but again, keep in mind once a kid hits 18 months, they know what they’re doing. They engage in what we call purposive behavior. It serves a purpose in their life. It might be just as simple a mantra in the kid’s mind as, “I want things done the way I want things done.”
Dr. Leman: So in the mix of all this is remember you’re training up a kid to realize that other people count in life. That’s why you say to a three year old, “Honey, thank you for sharing that with your little sister.” You know what I’m saying? This is not a one, two, three, here it is. This is an ongoing shaping of the child’s behavior, attitude, as they unfold through the developmental years.
Doug: Training a child to listen sounds impossible. Is there something that you’d say like you’ll know that your kid is listening when they do blah?
Dr. Leman: Well, listen, women tell me all the time getting their husbands to listen to is impossible. So there’s nothing earth shattering about you saying getting a kid to listen to difficult. Well, I’ve talked to
Andrea off the air.
Andrea: Shall we talk about this now?
Dr. Leman: As men, we’re not great listeners. Women are much more intuitive listeners. They are much more relational than we are. So what I’m saying is this isn’t everyday process. “Honey listen, it’s really important that you listen to mommy. When we come to a street, we stop, okay?” And you got to be firm on that. There are certain things you’re just a little bit more firm than you are another. But whenever a kid safety is at risk, you must act quickly. I don’t care what you have to do to get that kid to not run in the street? You can tackle them for all I care. Just don’t let them run on that street. So sometimes you got to get kids’ attention. And remember, keep in mind parents that your kid wants to please you. Let them please you. And so you respond in kind, “Oh thank you Thomas, for helping mommy. That is such a big help. Thank you for picking up your toys.”
Dr. Leman: And you know, “You’re such a big boy now. I love the way you helped your little sister today.” So you’re always slipping kids, what I call commercial announcements. You’re just reaffirming that they are helpful and considerate and they are listening. “Thank you for listening to mommy.” He stopped beating his baby brother with your slipper. “Thank you for listening to mommy. We don’t have to go to the ER today again.” Whatever it is, keep in mind that… Again, we’ve said it so many times, but you’re the best teacher your child’s ever going to have. So you love on them, you hug them and you rub their backs. You do all those things parents do. The tactical stimulation is really, really important, but they have to know there’s limits and kids will get silly and if you give some kids an inch, they’ll take a mile on it, you know that.
Dr. Leman: So again, we’re asking you to sort of be a junior shrink in a sense in ferreting out, all right, what’s appropriate, what’s inappropriate? Again, that’s a tough call for parents. That’s not always easy to know what’s appropriate, what isn’t. But if you feel like you’re being used in this situation by your three year old, you know that that kid is over the limit.
Andrea: I notice in the process of teaching them to listen you actually use the word with the child you need to listen. And I wonder if sometimes we overlook something so simple like that as even in teaching the concept like actually saying you need to listen and teaching them with value that I don’t know, maybe they understand it better if there’s actually that word built into the conversation.
Dr. Leman: How did you do with getting James, the first born to listen in your home?
Andrea: That’s a good question. I don’t know.
Dr. Leman: [crosstalk] he’s a pretty rural-oriented kid, isn’t he?
Doug: Right. Yeah, that what I was about the say. I think we sat him down and said, “James, at times you need to listen.” A different child has a tough time listening. And you know the way we got him to listen was to say, “Notice how you don’t let others talk when you’re talking.” Like we would actually talk to them like we would an adult, and eventually it paid off for us. And now he’s a great listener. And I also just admitted that I was a bad listener too. So you know-
Dr. Leman: Well, and sometimes there’s natural happenings in life that teach people things. I think of the flat cat, this little family’s black and white cat. Well to put [inaudible] he got run over. It was not a pretty sight, but I remember the mom talking to the little one about how kitty would have been alive today if kitty would have stopped and look both ways before kitty crossed the street. So sometimes even those tragedies and families such as losing a pet like that can be a teachable moment for kids and they can begin to hook up in their mind, “I think it’s important to listen to what mom and dad have to say.”
Doug: I have a funny story to tell you now that you said that, how we taught our kids to do this. When we had a story series called Buddy the bull frog and Stan, and this was Stan’s name, Stan the boy who won’t listen or obey his mom. And the story is his mother would always tell him what to do and he would always poo poo it and do the opposite and get stuck and in trouble. So that’s how we [crosstalk]
Andrea: These were actually Doug’s made up stories. So if anybody tries to Google that, you probably won’t find them.
Doug: So your flat cat story, we used it in a different way.
Andrea: Yeah. What helps Douglas and Andrea?
Doug: [inaudible] “You’re not listening to me. I need you to listen to me.”
Dr. Leman: Yeah, a direct approach. I always tell women, if you want your husband to pay attention to you, touch them.
Doug: Oh yeah.
Dr. Leman: He’ll tune in usually.
Andrea: And Doug reminds me of that.
Dr. Leman: And sometimes it means taking your husband’s cherub like face in your hands and saying, “Hey listen, this is important. You really have to understand that your daughter went to bed really angry last night because of what you said and you need to have a little pow-wow with her quickly. That’s just my suggestion. You do what you want, Doug. But it’s just my suggestion. But you need to know she was very upset with you last night.” So you slip them a commercial announcement and then you back off. So it is with kids. Those of you who are listening to the podcast right now, if you love being told what to do, please put your hand up. Yeah, that’s what I thought. That’s what I thought.
Dr. Leman: People don’t like being told what to do. My wife is a master at this. I wish she’d be more direct because she drives me nuts with this. She’ll say things like, “Oh boy, that backyard doesn’t look really neat, does it?” Then she’ll walk away. You know I heard it, I got the message, and I’m looking at the yard and I’m thinking, “It looks fine to me. What’s wrong with it?” I’ve got to chase her down. “Well don’t you see that bag over there on the corner on the yard?” “Oh yeah, I do. Now I see it.” I didn’t see it before. It’s a bag. It’s a paper bag. It’s crumpled up, it blew in the yard, there it is. But I’ve got to go through mental gymnastics to find out just what part of… That’s how she is. She’s so gentle. I wish she’d be much more direct and say, “Hey big guy. See that bag out there? Go get it now. Go.” “Woof.” “Go. I’ll get you a treat when you come back.” “Woof woof.” “Here. Sit on your hind legs.” “Okay, I got it.”
Andrea: So is it more respectful then to actually be specific when you’re telling somebody what you need from them?
Dr. Leman: I think so. I think if you’d say to your husband, “Hey honey, you know what would really mean a lot to me today? And I know you’ve had a hard week, but you know what, that backyard is really… It needs a little attention. And I don’t know if you’re up to it or not, if you want to hire the kid down the street, or if you want to get one of the kids to help you with that, but it sure would be great because we got the Williams coming next weekend. It’s that kind of approach I think most men would buy into.
Doug: Okay. Now we’re into men and we’re supposed to be talking about five year olds. So now you’re helping Doug and Andrea. My job is to bring us back to the kid part of this. So before we get to point number three, I just want to make sure that I get this in, because I’ll forget this at times and I would be remiss. I have an ebook promotion for all of you from Baker Books, and the one that you have available to you right now is called Under The Sheets, and you can get it October one to October 14 of 2019 for a $1.99. So Under The Sheets, October one to 14 of 2019 for $1.99. Dr. Leman, what is Under The Sheets about?
Dr. Leman: That’s a frisky little book to tell you truth. It’s a very straightforward blunt look at physical intimacy in marriage. If you can read that book without getting frisky, I think there’s something wrong with you to tell you the truth. So if you struggle in that area, or maybe you don’t struggle in that area but your mate does, then I would say buy that book. Don’t make any fanfare about it, leave it in the reading room of your home and see if it disappears. My guess is it will disappear and be devoured. So for $1.99, if you struggle in that area, you can’t beat Under The Sheets. It’s very, very explicit. Any question I think that you would have about sex is probably covered in that book, the great majority. It can’t cover everything I guess, but the great majority of questions that couples would have that I’ve found in my 40 years of working with couples, you’ll find in that book.
Doug: Awesome. Under The Sheets, October one to 14 of 2019, get it wherever you get your ebook stuff. And now a no-nonsense parenting moment with Dr. Kevin Leman.
Dr. Leman: You know, when I talk to parents about discipline, I hear about timeout and restrictions and taking privileges away and grounded and all that. I get it. I understand that. But on our podcast we spend so much time talking about what relationships, it’s all about relationships. Business is about relationships. Marriage is about relationships. Parenthood is about relationships. And so if you could discover a couple of ways to be economical with your words and your time and cut down your stress, would you buy it? See, I think we miss every day an opportunity when it comes to discipline. I call it relational discipline. I teach our teachers in our school, Leman Academy of Excellence, and by the way, we’ve put authority in the classroom teacher’s hands, which allows the teacher to have a relationship with those kids because they realize she’s not a pushover, she’s not a permissive teacher, but she’s not an autocratic, punitive I know everything you know nothing, but she is an authority.
Dr. Leman: Well, in the home parent, you are the authority. And so the words you choose to use your kids can really help when it comes to relational discipline. When you are in a situation where the kids are just acting terrible, two of them, both of them, one’s worse than the other. And you walk in and you get their attention, they see you and they stop, and their eyes turn toward you. You can say something, believe it or not, as simple as, “Hey, I’m very disappointed of what’s going down here.” Turn your back and go back to the room you came from and do what you were doing. Now ask yourself the question, “How do my kids feel at that point?” If they’re good kids, they’re not happy. They don’t like it when mom’s unhappy.
Dr. Leman: You’ve raked coles over them as I like to say. They’re looking at each other and they’re disappointed in themselves because they know what they were doing was wrong. And that’s probably going to spur a comment from one or both of them to the effect of, “Mom, I’m sorry about what happened.” And life goes on. But what I’m telling you is just simple words like, “I’m disgusted, I’m disappointed, I’m very unhappy.” And then walking away. It pulls the trigger. You don’t have to yell, you don’t have to scream, you don’t have to name call. All you have to do is articulate your feelings. I’m crushed. I’m sad. Anything. Just slip them that commercial announcement and walk away. Trust me, that is good relational discipline.
Doug: Howdy Dr. Leman, we’ve gotten our first two, what would our third one be?
Dr. Leman: Well, I’ve thought about this quite a bit actually, and I came up with this. Let your yes be yes and your no be no. That reeks of consistency, and by the way, when we talked earlier about establishing authority, it’s really important and I hope it’s just super obvious that mom and dad must be on the same page. If you’re a single parent and listening to us, I would say make sure that you are extremely consistent with how you deal with your kids. And let your yes be yes and your no be no, I think helps number two and that is train kids to listen to you. I think when they know that when you say no, they’re not going to come by and bug you 14 times. They only come by and bug you 14 times when you waiver. When you say, “No, you are absolutely not doing that.” And then you cave in five hours later and give them permission to go to wherever they wanted to go and give them $20 for spending money to boot.
Dr. Leman: You got to be careful here. It also says think before you engage in that yes or no. I think a great answer for kids these days, if you’re a parent is, “Honey, let me talk to dad or mom about that. Let me have some time to think about it. And in fact on that one I’d like to pray about it. So if I got back to you tomorrow, would that be good? Could we talk about it again?” Again, most kids will accept that because you’re being respectful, you’re listening to them, but don’t always feel like you have to pony up that yes or no immediately. Now again, I know kids are hedonistic. Our little granddaughter [inaudible] oh my goodness. Her parents wouldn’t drive her to a fair they had on the other side of town, which was about a 45-minute drive. And both of them have very busy schedules, and it was a Sunday evening, schools the next day, and both of them said no.
Dr. Leman: Well, what does granddaughter do? She gets on the phone. She tried to find grandma, but grandma wasn’t available. So she started with grandpa. She would always start with grandma first because grandma’s an easy touch. Grandpa’s not the easy touch that grandma is. And I just told her, I said, “Honey, I wish I could help you out, but honey I really can’t.” And then of course, eventually she got grandma and even grandma, old softhearted turned her down and said, “Honey, next week if you want me to take you someplace, I’d be glad to.”
Dr. Leman: But, “Oh no, it has to happen right now because my girlfriends are going over there.” I mean that’s the immediacy of kids thinking. And I’m just saying as a parent, you got to slow that down. You know that. You just can’t cave and try to attend to every need your kid has because what they need is not really a need. It’s what they want. There’s a difference of what you want and what you need. So that’s called a sermon folks, and that’s why God gave us parents. And that’s your job to be a good parent, not a great parent, just a good parent and I’ll be happy.
Doug: Well I appreciate your yes be yes and no be no because I also heard you say don’t ever promise your kids anything. So I’ve learned it’s come back to bite me multiple times that I’ve promised and not come through. So I hear your words in my ears, but I really like how you say give yourself 24 hours or 48 hours. You don’t have to do what they’re demanding right now so that you don’t have to regret it later, including promises. So that’s a great one.
Dr. Leman: Some parents are thinking, well what’s wrong with promising a kid something, and give them something to look forward to? Well, there’s a lot of wrong with it for this reason. Is your car going to be working? Is it going to be raining? Does somebody have the flu in the family? I mean, don’t go there. You don’t have to promise kids things. You can always say, “Honey we’re going to take it a day at a time. We’ll see what the weekend brings. Who knows? Maybe we’ll be able to pull that off.” So don’t paint yourself in the corner, is what I’m saying?
Doug: Great. Well, and [crosstalk]
Andrea: okay, so the three essential or necessities that Dr. Leman says we should have trained in our kids before they are five would be establish authority as a parent. Train them to listen to you and let your yes be yes and your no be no.
Doug: Great.
Andrea: And people are thinking, “Well wait a minute, where is making sure your child feels like they’re loved and they’re accepted?” That’s all a part of what we just talked about. That’s a given. As you establish authority in that home, again, love and discipline go up. They go hand in hand. Those early years are important and that’s why we did that podcast today just to emphasize those early few years. Those are the developmental years. They mean a lot.
Doug: I’m really glad that you talked about that love and discipline go hand in hand and again for all of you new parents that are out there, this is why I’m begging you to go get the book Making Children Mine Without Losing Yours and Have A New Kid by Friday. Because it just gives you peace of heart on what you need to do and don’t need to do so that you can love those kids and do the right discipline without all this confusion back and forth, up and down. You will thank me a bazillion, trust me. It resolves so many unnecessary confusing things in your life. It’s so pays off in those first five years, I can’t even tell you if you can do those first five years after reading those books the way Dr. Leman suggests.
Doug: We love the teenage years. So I’m begging you, please go get the books for yourself and read them. Well, it was great to be with you today. Quick reminder under the sheets, October one to 14 of 2019, get it for $1.99 eBooks, wherever you get them, and we look forward to the next time we get to be with you.
Andrea: Have a great week.
Doug: Take care. Bye bye.
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Doug: So, Dr. Leman, you think you are so smart do you? Well, today we get to ask a question. Actually, a listener asks a question. “Is you right or is you wrong about powerful children come from a powerful parent?” That seems a little harsh to me, but at least that’s what the listener says. We get to ask Dr. Leman that question. Hi. I’m Doug Terpening.
Andrea: I’m Andrea.
Doug: We are so glad that you are with us. Really, like we are genuinely glad that you would take the time to invest in your children. Kudos to you. Great job. If it is your first time with us, we want to let you know this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you, or your child, please go seek a local professional for help. Today, this is one of the best questions we have ever, ever, ever been given to us, and it is someone, Grace, saying I think you are W-R-O-N-G Dr. Leman, and I am looking forward to her proving
Dr. Leman right. So, let’s jump into today’s question.
Grace: Hello Dr Leman, love your resources and appreciate the podcasts and books you’ve written. I would just like to get some more information on something I’ve heard you say a few times on your podcast, that if there is a powerful child then it was created by either the husband or the wife is authoritative in nature, or powerful themselves. In reading your book, Parenting a Powerful Child, you say that every family has one. So I’m just kind of curious as to, if that’s the case if there could be a family of several children but only one of the children is powerful is it the parents that created that? To me it seems like some children just are born with a stronger will, or more argumentative nature, than others?
Grace: It doesn’t sit well with me where I hear you say that it’s the parents that created the powerful child. To me that seems like some dispositions of children are just stronger, or harder to deal with, than others. Is it really the parents that created that in the way of their behavior, or is it true that some children are just more difficult than others? I’d just like to hear you expound on this, because the few times that I’ve heard it feels so defeating when it’s like the parents created the powerful child, where to me I’m thinking that some children are just harder to parent than others. What are your thoughts on that? Thanks.
Dr. Leman: Well, let me say that based on that buildup Mr. Terpening just gave us, I thought you were going to let us have it with both barrels, but I think you lived up to your name, Grace. You were very graceful. Here’s what you have to understand. I’m glad you’re reading that book, by the way. Let’s talk about dispositions and temperaments for just a second. Is it true that people are born with a temperament? Yes. People have different temperaments. Kids have different temperaments. Are kids more wired? Are they, … Well some people will say strong-willed. I want every child to be strong-willed, but you get my drift that, yeah, kids come with different dispositions. Some kids are very laid back. Some kids eat their meals like they’ve never seen food before, and others poke at it and take forever. Some are just pokey eaters. Everybody is different.
Dr. Leman: Given that, let’s go back to what fuels a powerful child. So let’s say a kid is … Well, we can use strong-willed. I think people understand what that means. You’ve got a strong-willed kid who tends to be maybe opinionated, but why when you say, “The sky is blue,” he says “It’s not blue, it’s actually a turquoise?” Why does he have to have the last word? Where does that come from?
Dr. Leman: See, I think kids develop a lifestyle, and by that I’m not talking about the car they drive someday, or the house they live in, or the clothes they wear. By lifestyle, how they look at life, “I only count life when I gain attention. When I put others in my service, when I’m in control, when I dominate, when I win.” I want to make the point with you, Grace, that I, in my 40 some years of doing this with families, have seen very powerful kids who come from seemingly very meek and mild parents, parents who at the surface do not seem powerful. In fact, they’re the ones that say, “Oh, listen, no, I don’t care. No, you take the Turkey breast, I’ll just have the Turkey neck. I’m fine.” They are the nicest people in the world. They would give you the shirt off of their back, but in that softness of that personality, there’s a point where that person knows exactly how things ought to be done. I believe that people, adults, …
Dr. Leman: I stand on my statement. Are there exceptions to things in psychology and behavior? There are plenty of exceptions, so to say, this is lockstep 100% would be foolish of me to say, okay. Maybe that’s the reason why you called in, because that’s what you appear me to be saying. There’s exceptions to everything, but clearly across the board powerful children learn to be powerful. It’s dominance, it’s winning, it’s “I dominated.” It’s not we, it’s not you, it’s all about me, and that behavior itself is a learned behavior, and they learn it from a powerful parent.
Dr. Leman: Again, just keep in mind when I said. Some powerful parents on the surface are very sweet and, like I say, they’re very giving and they’re soft spoken, but cross them and see what happens. Take a measurement of their stubbornness. Are they people who sees things in just black and white terms and gray is not available to their sight? Across the board … Again, I’m going to stand on that statement, if you have a powerful child, there’s a powerful parent nearby. Or, we could go to a grandfather or an uncle, someone who had a profound impact on that kid’s life.
Dr. Leman: Power is set up where a child sees weakness in someone around them, so they could even see weakness in a parent and take advantage of that and create a powerful situation. There are situations where a parent could be so weak and so loosey-goosey, for lack of a better term, that a kid just sees the opportunity to take over and voraciously devours the parent because the parent has not had standards, but I don’t think you’ll see a powerful child overtake parents who have firm guidelines in their life. That’s why we preach on our podcast to be firm, have limits, expect the best of your kids.
Dr. Leman: I don’t know how much I needed to defend myself on that. I don’t think a great deal. Keep in mind that all families are different, all kids are different. I’ll give you all that, but the reality is if you have a powerful child the way to deal with that child is not in a powerful way, because you will spawn more power in the child by just being powerful. So, the techniques that you will read, Grace, in parenting your powerful child will help you sidestep the powerful moves that your son or daughter is making in your home. Well, Andrea and Doug, what do you think?
Andrea: Well, I was just wondering, one of the last things you said was sometimes power is set up when a child sees weakness in someone around them, and I was wondering if a super-permissive parent, are they powerful at all or are they just maybe in that sense the weak person that’s letting that child take over?
Dr. Leman: That’s an interesting observation because some people are so, … I don’t want to disparage Fred Rogers. I love Mr. Rogers, but some people are just so gentle spirited that a kid for whatever reason will see, and maybe this goes back to temperament, that there’s a need to walk in and walk over and use that parent. The parent not feeling good about themselves and feeling like they have to acquiesce to their powerful child, they have to, becomes fair prey for that child. I mean, you do see situations like that once in a while. It’s unusual to find both parents who are that laid back. It’s much more common to find one parent who is much stronger than the other. So, I don’t know, it’s an interesting question. I’ve never claimed to have all the answers to life, and this is one that people could debate till the cows come home.
Doug: What I hear, the theme throughout all of this is, whatever subject we’re talking about is you’re saying, “Your kids are an outcome of what you are doing.” You just said something very interesting there at the end that I want to explore is that if you don’t feel good about yourself you’re going to parent in a bad way. How important is that last statement when you said, “If we don’t feel good about ourselves we’re liable to create powerful children around us?” Can you connect the dots on those two things for us?
Dr. Leman: If you don’t feel well about yourself, you’re going to allow people to take advantage of you. Let’s start with some basics about kids. They’re hedonistic little suckers, all of them. They don’t come out with any social interest. They don’t care about anybody else. We have a grandchild right now where everything is mine. Mine, it’s mine. It’s a stage, it’s part of growing up. So, we help shape the kids in the direction that we think would be productive, and healthy, and all that. But again, God loved us enough to give us all free will. We get to choose to do, and act, like we want to. But what I’m saying is that the environment, that is the environment that all of us grew up in which is basically our family, shaped our spirit, our personality, how we view life. I’ve said many times, power in a child did not come from drinking the water that we serve in our home. It came from behavioral interactions with those that are closest to us. I don’t know if that sheds any light on that or not.
Doug: Yeah, it totally does. It’s the hard reality that I created it. Now, a no-nonsense parenting moment with Dr. Kevin Leman.
Dr. Leman: One of the questions I get, especially when I’m talking about teenagers. I wrote that book. It’s a widely acclaimed book, bestselling book, called I’ll Have a New Teenager by Friday. If you’ve never read that book, that is a good one. If you’ve got kids a little younger in the hormone group, read Planet Middle School. Both of those are excellent, excellent reads with all kinds of things in there that you may not think of very readily. People love those books, and they’re very, very well rated and received. But, I get questions about, “When do I let my son or my daughter pick out their own clothes, buy their own clothes?” Well, wait a minute, you’re jumping ahead. When are kids really interested in clothes? My experience has been when they get close to the hormone group, especially the girls, they get very interested in clothes. I know some are earlier, but the majority of them it’s that time when they’re starting to notice that there’s two distinct sexes in this world where clothes become a big thing.
Dr. Leman: Here’s the question for you, parent. What kind of dominion did you give to the kids when they were young? When did you start an allowance? See, I think before you have that conversation you have to give yourself a little gut check and say, “Wait a minute, did I use an allowance effectively when my kids were growing up? Did they have a set amount of money that they could spend any way they wanted?” See, without any training I think just handing a kid money and saying, “Here, let’s get your school clothes,” could have some rather disastrous results for you. I’m not saying you can’t do that, but I’m saying after the disastrous results, you’re probably going to come back and do things differently.
Dr. Leman: I think it’s a great idea to give kids cash, to go at the beginning of the school year and talk with your kids about, “Hey, we’ve tried to budget this as best we can. Here’s the money that you have to spend.” Give the kid a wad of those 20s. They’re going to feel like they’re a millionaire when they see all that money and, yeah, you can just turn them loose at age 14, or 13, and they can go out and see what they come home with, or I think the better way of doing it is go with them, go with them and keep your mouth shut as best you can. That’s my advice.
Dr. Leman: A kid is going to figure out he can buy this shirt that has this little insignia on it and it’s going to cost him three times what this plain shirt is going to cost him. Now this gets into kids, and style, and you want to be like everybody else and, boy, I hope your kids don’t want to be like everybody else. That’s not a good thing. But my point is, let them figure out, let them become a smart shopper. Let them figure out that Walmart jeans are not that bad. Do you know what I’m saying? Let them figure out how to stretch that budget. If it’s clear to them that this is all you have to get school clothes with, including shoes, they might just really surprise you and make some really wise decisions. Then, your part in that is just to say, “Honey, I am so proud of you. I think those were great choices you made.”
Doug: Dr. Leman, when we have to face the reality that all of a sudden there’s a powerful child in our presence what have you seen it take for the adult to be able to say, “I created that. I have to change.” Is there something that helps people get that light bulb moment?
Dr. Leman: Well, just try a few simple things and see if this works, parents. Next time you’re tempted to get into a fight, an argument, or say, “No, that isn’t so,” with your son or your daughter just look at them and go, “Wow, you could be right,” and see what happens. See if the fight continues or does that dissipate it into thin air? Learn to say things differently. Learn to behave differently. “Wow, you could be right. Wow, I never thought of it that way. Now there’s an interesting thought. Why didn’t I think of that? Oh my goodness. Well, tell me more about that, Honey.”
Dr. Leman: Your son or daughter has just suggested that they do something they know that you’re not going to let them do, and you say, “Well, wow, that sounds interesting, tell me more about that.” You’ve just knocked them off their blocks. They’re not going to start the race. They’re dumbfounded. What did he say? I was expecting a completely different answer. What I’m saying is learn to sit and listen to your kids, parents, without judgment, without judgment. That’s the tough part. Some of you as parents think that that’s fruit of the spirit given to you by Almighty God. I’m here to tell you, you got to listen to your kids. They’re kids. Are they going to say stupid things? Yes. Are they going to do stupid things? Yes. Call your insurance agent, they’ll tell you. They’re like Farmers Insurance, “We know a few things because we’ve seen a few things.”
Doug: Which of the books would you recommend if somebody’s sitting there going, “Okay, Dr. Lehman, I don’t know if I really am a parent that’s the problem creating this but I might be.” Which of your books would you say that would help them be able to see it and have solutions?
Dr. Leman: Well I think the Birth Order Book is a primmer book for Leman. It talks about family systems and relationships, and you’ll get to be behind the eyes of not only your spouse and yourself but also your children, and explains why they’re so different, why one turns left and one turns right. That’s probably the best overall book to start with. Those other books that we talked about so frequently, Have a New Kid, Have a New Teenager, Planet Middle School, The Leadership Book, The Way of the Shepherd, The Way of the Wise. You got a kid that’s going away to college and you haven’t tucked The Way of the Wise in their backpack, wow, what an opportunity, because it gives kids a little different look at what walking the Christian faith is all about. Anyway, life ain’t perfect, folks, and you and I aren’t perfect, but we’re going to give it our best shot. We’re going to tell our kids the truth. We’re going to hold them accountable. We’re going to talk straight with them, and they’re going to know that they’re loved no matter what. That’s a pretty good formula for most things.
Doug: Yeah, and as a former reformed powerful authoritarian parent the thing that I love about Dr. Leman’s books for me, it may not be for you, but for me was it was easy to read, so I didn’t feel like I was being beat up on, and there was things I could put and hold onto and begin to change. It was really interesting to me that I didn’t apply everything but I really love what you said, “If you just get the concepts and just add one little change, it’s amazing how then the next one’s easier, and the next one, and next one,” and before you know it you’re like, “Hey, I have changed,” and it really is encouraging.
Doug: So, it’s the reason we’re doing this podcast, honestly is because we want to help you guys enjoy your kids more, and more, and more. It’s why we do it and these books are so easy and practical and helpful. Please, please, please do it for your sake. Not for mine, doesn’t help Andrea and I, but it will help you. Okay, enough of my preaching for the day. I love you guys, and the reason we’re doing this is that we want you to have the tools to love those kids more and more, not for a year but for decades as you become grandma and grandpa someday, and all those things. That’s why we do it. Do it for yourself, not for Andrea, not for me, but for yourself. Alrighty. Well, we love being with you and we look forward to the next time we get to be with you.
Andrea: Have a good week.
Doug: Take care.
Andrea: Bye-bye.
Doug: Bye.
]]>Has your kid ever lied about stealing candy from the candy jar? Or how about another kid’s toy from school? When you have a lying kid on your hands, it can be easy to fall into parenting habits that empower them to continue lying instead of solving the problem. Listen to today’s episode to discover Dr. Leman’s practical advice on how to handle a dishonest child.
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Doug: So you go to get a few of the pieces of chocolate out of the cabinet and they’re all gone. And as you go to your son’s room, you notice all the chocolate wrappers are around his bedside. And when you look at him, there’s smudges of chocolate on his cheek, and you ask him, “Did you eat my chocolate? And he looks at you directly in the eye and says, “No Mom.” What do you do when you catch your child lying? That’s the question we get to ask Dr. Leman.
Doug: Hi, I’m Doug Terpening.
Andrea: And I’m Andrea.
Doug: And if this is your first time with us, welcome [inaudible 00:00:37]. It’s so nice to have you with us today and we just want to let you know that this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or your child, please go seek a local professional for help.
Doug: So Dr. Leman, I get to tattle on Andrea. So, we have limited cabinet space in our small kitchen, but up in the farthest right top corner there is Mom’s chocolate. And Mrs Terpening is usually very, very nice, but if she ever find’s anybody has gone up and touched her chocolate… Have you ever seen-
Andrea: Lights up.
Doug: … that rage monster that turns into incredible fire, and laser beams shoot out of her eyes? And the children and I scatter for fear for a couple of hours. So-
Andrea: Well you should, if somebody stole my chocolate.
Dr. Leman: I hope it’s dark chocolate.
Andrea: It is. It is. And every once in a while I will share a piece with somebody, but they can’t help themself.
Dr. Leman: I got to ask, what kind of chocolate is it?
Andrea: Well right now there’s some little Dove Bar pieces, yeah.
Dr. Leman: Dove Bars, okay, I know what those are.
Andrea: With little kind of a truffle.
Dr. Leman: Are you a dark chocolate?
Andrea: Not too dark. If it’s too dark then it’s too bitter. Not too dark.
Dr. Leman: Okay. Well my wife has an interesting diet. She’ll go in and have a chicken sandwich in a restaurant, but she won’t have the bread with it. But you know, I know this woman really well and she and Andrea have an affinity for chocolate. And I can’t tell you how many nights I have been lying in bed and been awakened by a little tiny sharp pain on my back, or on my chest, only to find a Ghirardelli chocolate wrapper attached to my skin. She loves chocolate.
Dr. Leman: Okay. Well, for all your chocolate lovers, what do you do when you find out that your kid has lied? Now let’s take this scenario where you see all the chocolate wrappers, or whatever, around the kid’s bed. Now what do most of us say to a child? “Did you take Mom’s chocolate?” Now let’s examine that question, and let’s examine that question. Give it a one if it was really stupid, or a 10 if it was really smart. Okay, let’s everybody give it a grade. Okay, you got that grade?
Andrea: I’m going with a one.
Dr. Leman: Yeah, I gave it a one too. See, what we tend to do, is we see the obvious, and people are right thinking, “Well, Dr. Leman, I don’t want to unjustly accuse my kid of anything.” No, but if you see something, and lots of times you’ll see kids do things, and then you turn around and ask if they just did it. Well, is that encouraging the kid to lie? I mean if you want to get down to the brass tacks of things you say, “Honey, I see you ate Mom’s chocolate. I think we need to talk about that. Do you think that’s a good idea?” Now at that point a kid is going to say yes or no. They’re going to look down at the floor. They’re going to give you that sheepish look, whatever. But at least that kind of a start gets you to where you need to go with this, because you have to talk about the fact that stealing is what? Wrong.
Dr. Leman: You know, I have told the story in one of my books, where I had a little four-year-old daughter who all of a sudden she started telling all these lies, and finally I did something very different. I lied to her and I told her we were going to a very special trip, and she got all excited, and the day came and she knew what day it was. She’s ready for the big trip, and I told her, I said, “Honey, I lied.” And boy we had some moments. She did not like that. And I said, “Well honey, you know what? I’ve talked to you repeatedly about lying and these lies continue to come, and you have to understand what it feels like to be lied to.”
Dr. Leman: Now that’s unorthodox. Some people may not like that. I say, if you’ve got a lying kid, you do whatever you need to do to get that kid off the lying track.
Andrea: Did it help with your daughter?
Dr. Leman: Yes. She’s so truthful, to a fault truthful, would have a hard time hiding anything from her mom and dad today, and we’re old and she’s middle-aged. So yeah, and it does. I’m just saying that you have to understand that kids lie out of fear most of the time. Fear that they’re what? Going to get in trouble. Sometimes kids fear out of wish fulfillment. Now what does that mean? It means a kid comes home and says, “I hit two home runs today in the baseball game,” and actually he struck out three times. You’ll see those kind of lies, but most lies come right out of just fear. If I tell you who I am, you’re going to reject me, or I’m going to get in trouble.
Dr. Leman: I’ve got a friend, Tim Kimmel, and Tim wrote a book called Grace-Filled Parenting. I think as a parent you have to have mercy, and you have to have trust in your kids, and you have to believe in them, but you have to be grace-filled. If it wasn’t for the grace and mercy of Almighty God, none of us would enter God’s kingdom. Keep that in mind.
Dr. Leman: So, you try not to make the lie more than it needs to be. I don’t think you have to add, “Jesus is watching you.” Please don’t do that. I think that kind of stuff is just way over the board. Just talk about the fact that there are certain rights and wrong in this family, and if you wanted some candy, wouldn’t have you felt better if you came to me and said, “Hey Mom, could I have a piece of your special candy?” And of course, Andrea would say, “No,” which creates another problem.
Andrea: I’d say, “Don’t you have a special candy stash?”
Dr. Leman: But I think you try to teach young children that you feel better inside, if you what? If you tell the truth. And when you don’t tell the truth, and you know you’ve lied, I think you ask a kid, “Hey, when I was a youngster and I lied-”
Dr. Leman: “You lied Mom?”
Dr. Leman: “Yeah, I did, and so did Dad. You know, I remember feeling really guilty. Do you ever feel guilty about what you’ve said, or done, or…”
Dr. Leman: Yeah. You try to tie the things together and say, “You know, the way to healthy, good living, the way to treat other people, the way to act responsibly, is by telling the truth. And sometimes it’s very difficult to tell the truth, because we have to owe up to the fact that we made a mistake. But guess what? We all make mistakes. You’re going to make a lot of mistakes in life honey, not just as one. You’re going to make mistakes later on this week in all probability.”
Dr. Leman: So I think you have to have a openness, and a sense of, it’s okay, but this behavior is not okay. You’re okay, I’m okay. Our family’s okay. Life’s going to go on, but this has to stop.
Doug: What do you do about the situation where it’s not so blatant that the chocolate wrappers are there? There’s you, and the missus, and one child, and I can’t think of a good example where you don’t empirically know they’re lying, but you are doggone-
Dr. Leman: Well, let’s take the situation where a kid is accused in school of stealing somebody’s Xbox or something, and your kid denies it, just flat out denies it. And you stand by your kid, and you go meet with the dean of students at the school. And the dean of students says to you, “Well listen, I certainly can’t blame you for siding on your son’s behalf and believing in your son. But Mr and Mrs Terpening, I have a video here I want to show you.” And he shows you the video of your son stealing the item. Red handed, there it is on videotape. Now what kind of a conversation do you have with your 16-year-old kid? It’s a little different isn’t it? But see the realities are, and that’s why this topic we’re talking about is important, you want to try to nip this stuff in the bud when the kids are young, because the consequences for when they get older can really be serious.
Dr. Leman: But then the conversation is, “Wow, you led us to believe that you were innocent.” See that’s the video. I’m going to show it to my son and I’m certainly going to say, “Hey, I’ve got something for you to watch.” And I’m going to play it for him, and I’m going to wait for his response. And if that response isn’t one of repentance and remorse, then I’m really worried because now I’ve got a real problem on my hands.
Dr. Leman: But again, grace and mercy must follow that. I think you have to love your kid anyway, but in that case, you turn and you say to the dean of students, “Hey, you have our full support in whatever disciplinary measure you feel is appropriate in this situation.” And that’s all you say. And what are you doing there? You’re taking the tennis ball and you’re putting it back in the dean’s side of the desk. And he’s going to deal with your 16-year-old son. And he’s going to deal with the relationship between your son and the kid he stole the Xbox from, or whatever. You want to push it in the direction it belongs. I mean, let’s face it parent, you’re embarrassed. You were shocked when you saw that video because you believed your son. Is it a sin to believe in your son? No, we want you to believe in your son. But I got news for you. There are sons and daughters who are lying dogs, who will tell you anything because they’re so self-centered.
Doug: When you come back, I’m going to ask you, what if that situation happens in the home? But before we get there, I get to give you the ebook for this week, which is one of my favorite Dr. Leman books, which is, Have a New You by Friday. September 24th to September 30th of 2019 for $2 and 99 cents. And I’m going to ask Dr. Leman what this book is about, and I’m going to tell you this is like, please, go buy this for yourself. How will this book help our listeners?
Dr. Leman: Well, I’ll tell you the motivation for writing that book, which might help. You know, people go to a shrink today and it’s not uncommon to get a bill for 250, 350 dollars for a simple 40 minute session, or a half-hour session. I thought, you know what? I’ll bet I could write a book that really helps people to sort of shrink themselves and figure out why they have learned… Now listen to that word. Why they have learned to be the person that they are. You learned it parents from who? You learned it from your parents and your siblings. It’s that dynamic, fluid relationship that exists between parent and child, and siblings with one another. Now you add to that the tragedies of life, the loss of life, the divorce or separation of parent, total economic disaster, you name it, health issues, whatever, they can certainly taint one’s look at life, but essentially you learn to be the person that you are.
Dr. Leman: So Have a New You by Friday, if you’re tempted to go down to your local counselor, or your neighborhood shrink, you may want to read this book first, save yourself a lot of money, time and effort. And the good news is, if you learn to be the person you are, don’t you think it’s true that you can unlearn those negative behaviors and ideas, and channel your energy into something more positive and productive? I mean, think of people whose lives have changed, who’ve gone from rags to riches, who’ve gone from wrong to right. It’s change. It’s personal growth. People pay a lot of money for a personal trainer. You want a little personal trainer for $2.99? Oh my goodness. Download, Have a New You by Friday. It’s a good one. All those Friday books are great.
Doug: The reason I so strongly recommend this, is so much of parenting is about you changing and your kids realizing the change and then they change with you. You need help. It’s so hard to change. This book is a great, uber practical… It’s a Dr. Leman, fun read. Please go get it for yourself. And now, a no-nonsense parenting advice from Dr. Kevin Leman.
Dr. Leman: Hey, if you’re not a single parent, please don’t tune me out because there’s a single parent near you, trust me. And I want to share with you, I think, one of the top two or three suggestions that I can give to anybody who’s single. You know, if you’re single, and were married, in all probability there were a lot of hurts associated with that. The natural tendency, the carnal nature of mankind is, when you’re hurt you feel like you have license to strike out. In fact, some of you think that one of the gifts of the spirit is criticism. It isn’t, and I’m going to give a suggestion to every single person here, especially those of you who have kids.
Dr. Leman: Don’t bad-mouth your ex-spouse ever, for any reason. I mean this guy, or this woman, could be the slime ball of the century, could be a derelict, could’ve been hurtful, could have been abusive, whatever. I don’t care what baggage they brought into your marriage that you paid for, but there’s no way that you can strike out at that person where it would help anybody. You certainly won’t help yourself. But so many parents I’ve witnessed over the years, they use their children as narks. When they’re over at Dad’s house, they want to know, was there a woman over there? Are there any liquor bottles around? I mean, I’ve heard it all over the period of time.
Dr. Leman: You need to let your kids have their relationship with their dad, or their mom. You need to step back and let that relationship happen. You need to extend the olive branch of peace, so that your kids are seeing that you’re acting in a loving way. They understand it wasn’t easy, it wasn’t easy for them. Don’t you think they understand it’s not easy for you? But when they see you turn the other cheek in a peaceful, positive way, and express nothing but words of concern, and kindness, and joy, and positivity, don’t you think that’s going to make a difference in their lives?
Dr. Leman: Isn’t that great training for when life throws them a curve ball, that they’ll respond accordingly? Believe me, they’re taking notes on how you live your life. For those of you who are so hurt you just can’t help yourself. You just keep banging away at that ex-husband of yours, or whatever, your ex-wife. Sooner or later those kids of yours are going to turn on you, and they’re going to turn that ex-husband, or that ex-wife, into the father or mother of the year. Trust me. So watch that little rudder in your mouth, that little tongue. You know, if you want to shout out your anger to Almighty God, he’s big enough to listen to what you have to give him. But don’t spew out any venom toward that ex. You’ll be better, your ex will be better, and your children for sure will be better.
Doug: So Dr. Leman, back to the Xbox example. What happens if it happens in my home, where it’s not a stealing issue, or it could be a stealing issue, but now it’s a lying about something that occurred in my home and I can’t take it to the dean? How do I get to the heart of that? You said that you… You know, they do it out of fear of rejection and trouble and we want to be grace-filled, but how do we do that?
Dr. Leman: Well, I’ve had a lot of kids over the years, especially kids in the adolescent years, steal money from their parents. I mean, most women… Actually, I’m looking at my wife’s purse right now. Maybe I should go in there and see what I find. My sad sense of humor just pops up once in a while. But she comes in and she loves to hang it on the chair. We have a dining room table. It’s about 12 feet long and there’s eight chairs around it right now, and she just hangs it on one of the chairs, or sometimes she’ll drop it on the floor, around the corner of a kitchen entryway kind of place. Those are her two favorite spots. But anyway, money is accessible. Most women have money in their purses. I know we live in a credit card world, but you know, kids can steal credit cards as well, and kids know passwords, and all those things can happen.
Dr. Leman: So again, I think the big thing, when you know your son or daughter has done something, is not the ask him the question. I know this sounds stupid to some of you. Don’t ask them a question, “Did you, did this?” Make the statement that we know that you took Mom’s money. We knew you used Mom’s credit card for this or that, because you’ve done your homework. You saw what happened. And it was spent at, you know, a store that Mom wouldn’t frequent, or that Dad wouldn’t frequent. So you have all the facts. So there’s no sense in setting them up just to lie again and deny it, because you want to get to the why’s and the wherefores. And some of the things that you might discuss is the need to lie, and is this something that we can continue to expect for the rest of your life?
Dr. Leman: I mean, if somebody asked me on the street to describe my son or daughter, do I tell them this, that, and add that you’re a thief as well? So there has to be a rather straightforward conversation with that son or daughter. And as I’ve suggested to many parents, you get to the point where you take the keys to your car, you keep them with you at all times, and you lock your valuables sometimes in the trunk of your car. If you’ve got a kid who’s a druggie, the white lady, the cocaine, or whatever that kid’s hitting on, will take precedent over anything. Everything you ever taught him, anything he ever learned in school, or church, goes right out the door because he has a need to feed his habit, and he’s going to feed it, no matter what.
Dr. Leman: You know, there’s simple thefts. I guess the police call it petty theft, but there’s also grand larceny. I mean, so there’s all different degrees, and as a parent you have to use your own ingenuity here is to figure out, okay, do I need a flyswatter here or a sledge hammer? You know, I wouldn’t make the molehill into a mountain for sure. You have to talk turkey with kids.
Doug: Got it. So this is the classic be firm, but be grace-filled and be smart. Don’t ask them, “Did you lie?”
Dr. Leman: Yeah. I think disappointment is a great word to use. “I’m disappointed in what happened.”
Andrea: You say, don’t ask them if they did it, when you know they did it, because then you’re setting them up to lie again. So, that’s a good way to remember it.
Doug: Tell them you’re disappointed. Be gentle. Don’t make a mountain out of a molehill. I love that. That’s the first time I’ve ever heard, “Is this a flyswatter moment or a sledgehammer moment? It’s a little graphic, but it’s like, wow, that’s another good one to use.
Dr. Leman: Well, you know, if you’d ask me to say, what are the two toughest questions to answer, are kids biting… Okay, biting. Try to figure that one out. What do you do? Bite them back? I know some of you are saying, “We did that and it worked.” Well, you said it, I didn’t… and lying. The topic we’re talking about today is one of the toughest to really address in a practical way, because we get so emotionally involved in it. It’s a sin against us. So anyway, it’s a tough one. Parents, you’ll find those Leman books to be helpful. They sort of keep you onboard with trying to put balance in your parenting. I hope you’ll keep reading. Good stuff there for you.
Doug: Well, it’s funny you should say that. I was going to say that and I’m like, “I’m not going to say it because I say it all the time,” but I’m going to say it now. The book, Have a New Kid by Friday, has a whole section in the back of all these practical applications, and one of them is lying. And I thought, “Wow, this would be a great example again of why that book helps you, give you the theory and the practicality.” Get the book, Have a New Kid by Friday. If you’re struggling, go for it.
Doug: Thank you, Dr. Leman for answering the tough question. We love it, and we loved being with you. Thank you for spending your time, and as always, the reason we do this is to give you more tools to parent those kids, so that you can love them more and more and have a great, fabulous, wonderful relationship for decades with them. So thank you for being with us and we look forward to the next time we get to be with you.
Andrea: You have a great day.
Doug: Take care.
Andrea: Bye-bye.
Doug: Bye-bye.
]]>It’s time for another Ask Dr. Leman! What do you do when your homeschooled kid fights you tooth and nail? Listen to Dr. Leman’s advice on today’s episode.
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Doug: Homeschooling moms must be perfect or they must be close to perfection. This is mother today says, “Something’s gone awry. Something’s gone bump in the night,” and that second child is fighting her tooth and nail. How do we help this homeschool mom? That’s the question we get to ask Dr. Leman.
Doug: Hi. I’m Doug Terpening.
Andrea: I’m Andrea.
Doug: We are so glad that you are with us with Have a New Kid with Dr. Kevin Leman. If this happens to be your first time, we just want to let you know that this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or your child, please go seek a local professional for help.
Doug: We love getting your caller questions, and I think we should jump right into today’s questions. How do we help this homeschool mom?
Homeschool Mom: Hey, Dr. Lehman, I have a question about homeschooling. I’ve been homeschooling for 16 years now, and sometimes it can be messy and hard, but I’ve also seen the rewards with my oldest being a college graduate and an amazing young woman. However, there’s something I never did quite get right with her, and now I see I’m making the same mistakes with my 11-year-old.
Homeschool Mom: A couple months ago, she started becoming a powerful homeschooler. When she needed help with figuring out, let’s say, a math problem, as she was frustrated and would ask for help, I would start to open my mouth and give out one word out, and she would immediately explode and not want to listen. She’s even gotten to the point where she is telling me she doesn’t want to do certain subjects or she gets mad if she has to rewrite a sentence. Obviously, she has to do her work. However, I’ve gotten to the point where I’m petrified to open my mouth or mark something wrong and for fear of her having a meltdown for the entire day. I love to teach and make things interesting and fun, but this isn’t fun for her nor I.
Homeschool Mom: I read a lot of your books and implement your techniques in parenting, and they have worked great. Fear of homeschooling though can seem like a whole nother animal sometimes because when I need to let the teacher or school deal with homework issues, it is still me dealing with it. Hey, I have a great idea, Dr Leman, you should write a book called Have a New Homeschool by Friday. I guarantee it’ll be a bestseller, and I’ll be first in line to buy it.
Homeschool Mom: In the meantime, can you help me get my little homeschool buzzard back onto stable ground?
Dr. Leman: Oh, I love your spunk, the fact that you have spunk in your life. By the way, did she mention her name?
Doug: She never did.
Dr. Leman: Oh, no, I got to call her Nameless. Oh, Nameless, listen, darlin’, you homeschooled 16 years and you still have spunk and a bounce in your step. You ought to be congratulated. That is a long time to homeschool. Now, again, I love homeschoolers. I talk with them all the time, and, you’re right, and I had been asked to write a book called Have a New Homeschooler by Friday, but that hasn’t surfaced yet, so let’s start with giving yourself some credit for what you’ve already accomplished. You’ve got one young woman, a great young lady, you say, out of the house. How did that happen? That happened because of the love and the support and the encouragement that she found in your home, so my guess is that you suffer from a bad case of perfectionism, and you have to just understand that none of us are perfect.
Dr. Leman: We all are flawed to the core. As a believer in God, you have no claim to heaven, but through the mercy and grace of God will enter his kingdom if you’ve learned to love his son, so, that being said, you have to back off a little bit on yourself. That’s step number one. Realize that the principle here is perfectionism is slow suicide, so, if you’re always shooting for perfection, you’re going to walk away dissatisfied and you’re going to say, “Nameless, you failed,” and I’m saying, “Nameless, you’ve done good so far.”
Dr. Leman: Now, let’s turn to younger sibling at 16, and isn’t it interesting that they ask you for help and then, as soon as you open your mouth, you get criticized or put down or told you don’t need their help? One of the things that I’m going to suggest you do is memorize a very short phrase, and I want you to start using it today with 16-year-old. I want you to learn to say, “Honey, I’m sure you can handle it.” You got it? “Honey? I’m sure you can handle it.”
Dr. Leman: What you’re doing there is she’s coming to you with a problem that she wants you to give advice to or fix and, as soon as you open your mouth, she’s going to what? She’s going to badmouth whatever you’re saying, so, your money ahead, the very next time she asks for any advice about anything related to school, of course, you simply say, “Honey, I’m sure you can handle it,” and she’s going to get frustrated and she’s going to make you the bad guy, and she’s going to say things like, “You don’t care.” “Honey, if you want to believe that lie, you go right ahead. I sure don’t believe that because that’s not the truth, but if you want to believe that, you go right ahead,” and what you’re doing is you’re pushing back in a way that forces her to take a look at herself, and that’s the healthy thing here.
Dr. Leman: If you’ve listened to our podcast, one of my favorite little sayings is keep the tennis ball of life on the right side of the net. I know you’re the teacher, but when you start feeling used as a teacher, your tendency ought to be to back off and say, “Okay, student, handle it yourself,” and if that young student of yours is sensitive to correction, which I assume she is, and she asks you to look over a paper, for example, if you want to look it over, look it over and just look at it and say, “Wow, looks great to me,” and hand it back to her and then, when it’s due in, get your little red pencil out and start checking things off and see how she reacts to that.
Dr. Leman: In other words, I’d just start throwing her a few curve balls that says, “Listen, I’m your teacher. I need to be respected, and, obviously, I’m your mother and I need to be respected,” so you earn your stripes, so to speak, on your sleeve, Ms. Nameless, by simply holding your ground without name-calling, without getting mad. You have to have an even temperament here because this kid is a powerful child, which suggests, and I’m going to say this real softly, that you just might be a powerful person yourself.
Dr. Leman: As we heard on your question, you’ve got a lot of spunk in your kid and chances are you yourself know pretty much how things ought to be, and so maybe both siblings have caught a little bit of that from you, but, again, I think you’re being too hard on yourself, so, remember, fighting is an act of cooperation. That’s another principle, so, if you engage in a battle with her, you get what you ask for, so that’s why when she says something just absolutely stupid or dumb or whatever, just say, “Interesting.” Don’t correct it. You know the right thing. Don’t correct it. Let her figure it out especially with her relationships with other people or if she’s involved with some activities at the local school, maybe you and… part of a coop or something like that. Let her figure it out. Let her experience failure.
Dr. Leman: Remember, failure is a great place to take place where? In the home. It’s the safest place for your son or daughter to understand what true failure is all about, so, anyway, that’s for starters. What do the Terpenings think?
Doug: How does she deal with that, as soon as she starts to talk to the child, the child starts to blow up on her? What does she do when that child verbally blows up on her?
Dr. Leman: The minute she does that, she turns her back and goes to a room where she can lock the door and be alone or she gets in her car and takes a little drive some place. She physically removes herself, and you’ve heard me long enough, Doug and Andrea, to know that turning your back on a child, I mean, a lot of people think, “Oh, that’s too harsh,” it’s deliberate for a reason. It’s not harsh. It’s deliberate, but it says, “Hey, I’m not doing this dog and pony show.”
Dr. Leman: You can’t fight by yourself, and so this kid… and this is true of all adolescents. Think of when you were an adolescent. You needed your parents. You needed your parents, but you didn’t want to admit it. You’re being driven to school and you say, “Hey, mom, drop me off here.” “Honey, we’re not even in school yet.” “Mom, just drop me off here. I want to walk the rest of the way.” It’s like you don’t want to admit that you have a parent. It’s part of breaking away. It’s called adolescence. It’s okay, so, again, you guide the sheep. You just can’t grab them by the neck and drag them here and drag them there, but you certainly don’t get kicked around by your children verbally ever.
Doug: Andrea, you’re a homeschool mom with four. Could you imagine your second child blows up at you like this? Could you just get in your car and leave or go in the backroom?
Andrea: Like Dr. Leman says, fighting is an act of cooperation, and, often, it draws you in, so it is hard to step away and especially when you feel like this is your workplace or your responsibility. It feels different than your homes… than just parenting, so it’s harder because you’re like… especially if you are one that is driven to have good grades, like a recent podcasts, “My kids have got to get good grades so they can get into a good college,” and now it’s a reflection of you. It’s really hard to imagine giving your kid bad grades, so I think there’s a lot wrapped up into this, and I agree with Dr. Leman. Yeah, we have to step back.
Dr. Leman: Andrea, I’ve got a question for you. Would you have a problem giving your daughter or son a bad grade?
Andrea: Would I have difficulty? Yes. Do I do everything I can to help them so they can earn a good, honest grade? Yes.
Dr. Leman: Help me know. Help me know. Help me understand why you’d have difficulty giving a grade your son or daughter has earned. I wish you could see me right now because I do have a smirk on my face because [inaudible] if that answered the question, but-
Andrea: You’re evil.
Dr. Leman: Yes. This kid has earned that bad grade. Today, let’s take a public school with a broad brush, and people can write me nasty emails if they want, but we’ve watered things down so badly. How much effort does a kid have to put into public school today to get C work or better? I don’t think an awful lot. I really don’t, so, when a kid really fails and gets a “bad grade,” does she or he not earn that grade by not doing a homework, by not participating in class, by not doing well on a performance test?
Dr. Leman: You’ve got to own it. I see these shirts today that a lot of young people wear that says, “Own it.” Okay, own it. This is on them. This isn’t you. I always tell parents when the grades come home and they’re crushed to the grades, you got to remember these are grades that belong to your son or daughter. They don’t belong to you. Don’t own, don’t take possession of what you really aren’t a part of. You’ve done your share. You’ve done your best.
Andrea: Yeah. As I listened to this lady ask her question, who you’re calling Ms. Nameless, her… This second child is actually 11, and as a homeschool mom, I’m thinking this is a great time to give them bad grades because these aren’t going on the transcript. These colleges aren’t going to look at these grades. This is a great time to let her experience a little bit of “failure,” and hopefully get their relationship right so that, as they get into the high school years, their communication is better, so I don’t know if knowing that this child is 11 gives you any other insights into what might be going on here.
Dr. Leman: Yeah, folks, you’ve just heard the pragmatic side of Andrea saying, “Hey, if you’re going to give them a failing grade, a bad grade, give it to them before it goes on the transcript.”
Dr. Leman: I talk to parents. I’m a former dean of students. I know something about getting people into college and what college admission officers are looking at, and I always tell young people, “Someone, a stranger that you don’t know is going to look at a computer screen and see some grades in your name and your Social Security number, and they’re going to make all kinds of judgments about who you are based upon some numbers and some grades,” and that’s the sad truth, so grades are important. Education is important.
Dr. Leman: Can you make a child do something? I mean, I’m the author of Making Children Mind Without Losing Yours. Can you make a child mind? Literally, you can’t, but you certainly can do things that set up parameters in your home that make a kid sooner or later come to the point where he says, “You know what, I’m, I’m money ahead here to do what’s expected of me. This isn’t working out for me.”
Doug: For Mrs. No Name here, she’s got this kid 24/7. I mean, this kid, this 11-year-old that’s just back-talking and firing up on her, it’s all the time. At what point does she give her the bread and water treatment or any of that kind of stuff? Is that effective when you have a powerful child like this?
Dr. Leman: It is. The bread and water treatment, by the way, parents, is just… Obviously, you got to feed your kids, and they have a roof over their head, but you don’t have to do anything for them, quite frankly. If you’re used to fixing breakfast for them, you can go on strike.
Dr. Leman: They’d say, “Mom, I’d like this or that.” “Honey, I’m sorry, I’m not in a breakfast mood,” and walk out of the room. They won’t know what hit them, and sooner or later, the bread and water treatment as Doug Terpening has just suggested gets a kid to a point where he says, “Hey, what’s going on?” and that’s when you’re on, parent. That’s where you say to your kid, “Hey, I’ll tell you what’s going on. I don’t like your mouth. I don’t like the constant questioning of me. I don’t like the badgering of me. I don’t like the tone of voice you use with me, and things need to change because you have a very unhappy mother. You have a very unhappy dad,” and, again, I underscore this, kids really don’t like it when you’re unhappy with them.
Doug: Yeah. Something you didn’t say that is interesting, so I’ll ask this question from Ms. No Name. Is she probably being too critical or correcting of her child and pushing her to be perfect?
Dr. Leman: Yeah, she’s probably. I said that softly. She’s probably a very powerful lady. She knows exactly how things ought to be, and, of course, with an 11-year-old, you’ve heard me say this before, it’s a weird, weird age, 11. You’re neither fish nor a fowl, and it’s the beginning of adolescence. It’s actually the beginning of the teenage years. Because kids are growing up so early, I always say 11 and 12-year-olds are teenagers, and so you have to be firm, and, 16 years of homeschooling, I’d be tempted to take a year of vacation to the southern tip of South America.
Dr. Leman: I mean, that’s a lot. I mean, Andrea, you’ve homeschooled. You have to throw yourself into it, and here’s a woman, and that’s why I say I think she’s too rough on herself, which is an indication that, guess what, she’s rough on other people as well, so, anyway, that’s just a few thoughts for her. Don’t be afraid to be firm. Don’t be afraid to say I’m unhappy. Don’t be afraid to say I don’t like what’s happening here, and that will get the kids’ attention.
Doug: Yep. Yep. Before we continue the podcast, I want to make sure I tell you about this week’s E-book special for you, a fabulous one. It is My First Born, There’s No One Like You, September 17th of 2018 to September 23rd of 2019, for $1.99. My Firstborn, There’s No One Like You. Any comments about this one, Dr. Leman?
Dr. Leman: Yes. That’s a wonderful book. Now, they’re offering that at $1.99 to download. Let me give you a little tip out there. If you have any book collector in you, see if you can find a copy of My Firstborn, There’s No One Like You and hang on to it. That is going to be an extremely valuable book. The middle child book, that’s one of six in a series that I do with my son, Kevin, and, that middle child book, I’ve seen it on eBay for over $400, so, if you can find My Firstborn, There’s No One Like You, it’s illustrated beautifully and it hits home, you will see your little firstborn on those pages. It’s a wonderful, wonderful book, so download it for $1.99. My goodness, that’s a no-brainer.
Doug: In conclusion, thank you for this great question, and what I hear you say, Dr. Leman, is give yourself a break. You don’t need to be perfect, but be firm. Don’t be afraid to say that I’m disappointed. Don’t be afraid to walk away. Don’t be afraid to say I’m happy, and give yourself a little bit more grace. You’ve probably done way more than you think, and, as you have said multiple times, if we change, they change and IT sounds like just soften it up.
Doug: Anything else, Andrea?
Andrea: Yeah, oh, just as a very similar kind of person to her, the perfectionist, and having homeschooled for many years, it’s refreshing to hear, “You’re probably being too hard on yourself.” Lighten up, and I would just say enjoy your daughter. These are special years, and it’s really special to be able to homeschool and spend that time with them, so enjoy and don’t worry so much about performance. It’ll come.
Dr. Leman: Wow, that’s well said, Andrea. If every homeschooler had that mantra in their life, this is a privilege to do this with my kids, homeschoolers across our nation would do a much better job and feel better about themselves in the process. Very good.
Doug: Thank you guys for being with us today, and we love helping add to your parenting toolbox. A reminder that that ebook, My Firstborn, There’s No One Like You, get it while it’s available for just this week, and it’s a joy. We look forward to the next time to being with you.
Andrea: Have a great week. Bye. Bye.
Doug: Take care. Bye. Bye.
]]>It’s time for another Ask Dr. Leman! What do you do when you kid stops going to the bathroom in public places and has accidents at school? Dr. Leman breaks out the advice straight from the book in today’s episode.
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Doug: You have that six year old, the six year old that is driving you nuts. Whenever you say, “Yellow,” they say the opposite. Or how about this one that the lady just asked us? They won’t go to the bathroom until it’s the most worst time, just to spite you as a six year old. What do you do with that? That’s the question we get to ask Dr. Leman today.
Doug: Hi, I’m Dr. [inaudible 00:00:00:33].
Andrea: And I’m Andrea.
Doug: And we are so glad that you are with us and welcome. If this happens to be your first time, we wanted to let you know this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or your child, please go seek a local professional for help. If you’re a new listener, to let you know that these are questions that individuals have called in and left a voicemail for us, and that we get to play for you. And this is Tiffany talking to us about her six year old and their struggle. Here we go.
Tiffany : Hello, Dr. Leman. This is Tiffany from Coeur d’Alene, Idaho. I’ve recently binged on all your podcasts along with sharing them with my husband so we can be on the same page. I also just ordered Making Your Children Mind and Parenting the Powerful Child. I have a five year old boy and a very, very powerful three year old boy. My question is regarding my almost six year old. Over the past year and much more frequently, he has been withholding his bowel movements, which has been causing many accidents, mostly at school.
Tiffany : He has expressed much anxiety and fear about using the bathroom at school, and so we have tried talking through this fear with him as well as other ideas. I find myself holding my breath each day as I send him off to school, especially if he has not had a bowel movement for a few days. So I am wondering if this is more of a control issue or real fear, and what we can do to help resolve this issue. Thank you so much for your advice, and I look forward to reading all of your books and listening to more podcasts.
Dr. Leman: Well, Tiffany, thank you so much for the question. I have to comment on your home in Coeur d’Alene, Idaho. Wow. What a beautiful place. I spoke up there to the Western Association of Orthopedic Surgeons and stayed at a beautiful hotel there overlooking the lake. You live in God’s country. Wow. What a pretty place. Friends, if you ever get a chance to get to Idaho, get there. It’s a gorgeous state and great people up in the great state of Idaho, where many of our potatoes come from. Thankful for potatoes. I never met a potato I didn’t like.
Dr. Leman: But anyway, Tiffany, I love your question. And I can tell you right off the bat, you have tried too hard to be a great parent. You have a good diagnosis in your very powerful, almost six year old child. And you’re asking the question, is this really more, the retentive behavior on his part, is it more control? Yes, it is, because powerful children, their mantra in life is what? I only count life when I control, to even the extent of having accidents at school. Part of that question I remember was, “Or is this really just fear?” Well, yeah, it’s fear. Let’s give him the benefit of the doubt that it’s real fear of using the toilet.
Dr. Leman: And some kids, for whatever reason, are fearful of sitting on a john. They’re fearful of the sound and watching the water go down the drain. It’s not an uncommon fear that kids have. The question is practically as a parent, how do you deal with this? And you have to get it through your head that you, nor your husband, Tiffany, can be accountable for his bowel movements. And when you let go of that, focusing on that … And believe me, he picks up the vibes that you’re worried about, “Did you have a bowel movement?” And you’re going to ask him in all probability. And every time you ask him, you’re driving a nail in the wrong direction. Don’t do that.
Dr. Leman: When you think of things in life, Tiffany, that are the most natural, eating, sleeping, and what’s the third one? Going potty. Three most natural things in the world. And you can ask Doug and Andrea, how many questions do we get from parents about, “My kid won’t sleep. My kid won’t eat. They’re a picky eater. They won’t potty train,” or they have difficulties like you do. But you do have a powerful child on your hands and one that looks like he might be in training to be a powerful child, which I have to take you down this path for just a short period of time. One of you, either yourself, Tiffany, or your husband, is a powerful person, which means there’s a right way to do things. It’s your way, and you tend to be authoritarian.
Dr. Leman: And I’m so glad to know you’ve ordered those books, because one of the things that I’m going to teach you in that book, that the authoritarian parenting lifestyle is going to make your situation with your six year old worse every day until you make that synapse in your mind from, “I’m no longer an authoritarian, and I’m going to move and work toward being in authority over my sons.” When that day happens, you will begin to see a change in your kid’s behavior, because the kid’s going to figure out there’s no payoff here.
Dr. Leman: See, part of his need to control is so dominant that he’s willing to have an accident. You tell me, who’s retaining that bowel movement? Is it someone in the neighborhood? No, it’s him. He’s the one that’s doing that, and that is purposive behavior. It means that behavior serves a purpose in his life. What’s the purpose of that? To keep you and/or, or both of you, as parents, overly involved in his life. So what do you do? You send the kid to school.
Dr. Leman: I know what I would do. I would send … Let’s see, how old is he? Almost six. You could probably even get some pull-ups, big size pull-ups to have available at school. So if he has an accident, he wears pull-ups with something over them, a pair of shorts or something. And as a matter of fact as that can be, the better. If you can get a teacher to play ball with you on something like that, you’ve got a great teacher. Sometimes in situations like that, the teacher will send a kid to the nurse, and you can imagine how much the nurse loves that teacher. I won’t even go into that. Nevertheless, the responsibility for that has to lay on the side of your son.
Dr. Leman: The other thing I have to tell you is when we talk about the fear, and I said the fear is real. He fears that. And what you have to understand is reality is the perception of the person. So his reality is that sitting on that potty is scary, and something might happen to me bad. And so if you tell him there’s nothing to worry about, that’s not going to take away his fear one bit, because he feels that. So your response has to be something like, “Well honey, you can be fearful. You can be fearful that you’re going to fall in the drain and fall … I’ve never seen that ever happen in life. I don’t think that’s ever happened in life to anybody. But if you want to believe that, you can believe that. But for Dad and I, we really don’t believe that, just so you know.”
Dr. Leman: So you’re not denying the kid’s feelings, but you’re not agreeing with those feelings. You’re saying, “We feel very differently.” So it seems to me between the teacher and yourselves, if you both get creative and read those two books you’ve ordered, when you read the Parenting Your Powerful Child … In fact, Doug and I just did a little promo for people to buy that book, and it is well worth it. It is pure gold for those of you who have powerful kids. Don’t do another week of going through the stuff you go through every week with that powerful child. You don’t have to live like that. So anyway, those are a few thoughts. Doug and Andrea?
Doug: Dr. Leman, I’ve just got to be honest. If this were my kid … And my heart breaks for Tiffany. I feel for her. The level of embarrassment would be off the charts to me, that my nearly six year old is having bowel movements, and other people are having to deal with it. My sense of failure and embarrassment, how do I deal with that?
Dr. Leman: Well, you’re not going to deal with it well, but again, you have to tell yourself the truth, parent. Okay, every parent that’s got a situation like this, repeat after me. And I always hate it when people say, “Repeat after me,” but I want to do it maybe just to irritate people. Who knows? I as a parent have absolutely no control over what happens in that classroom. Now, that’s the reality. You don’t have to believe that. You can say, “Oh no, I do. I …” Really? Tell me how. How do you pull the strings on what happens in that? And see, that’s something your kid has to face.
Dr. Leman: I always tell adults, you have to run toward the fear. Well, what’s the fear for your son or your daughter, those of you who have powerful parents? Well, fear is that it’s going to do something terrible to them. Well, let them believe that. The reality is it’s not. In fact, I’m sure you haven’t said this Tiffany, but a good guess is you’ve taken your son to the pediatrician, and that pediatrician has had to very carefully remove some of that bowel movement because he was so stuffed up. And it makes you feel terrible. And sooner or later that’s going to win out over his need to be powerful.
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Dr. Leman: Now you’re talking. Now you’re talking.
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Dr. Leman: One of the things that I’ve been sharing more than ever is an opportunity, when I’m on national TV or radio, is just this five-star suggestion to parents everywhere. And I keep bringing it up because there’s so many people to reach on this one. It’s fundamentally important. If you want a great relationship with that man you love, ladies, don’t ask him questions. Don’t ask him the “why” word. Ask for his opinion. This man who usually just grunts, groans, and otherwise doesn’t answer anything, will surprise you in all probability. He’ll talk your ear off if you ask him for his opinion.
Dr. Leman: Well, it’s true with kids as well. Kids really don’t like questions. It puts them on the defensive, and many times they’ll just blow you off with, “Okay. I’m fine. No big deal,” just to get rid of you. And then they’ll go and they’ll get on the computer or on their cell phone, and they’ll talk to their buddies. They’ll Facebook this, they’ll Instagram that, and you’ll literally be shut out of their life. So you want to be as relational as you possibly can with kids.
Dr. Leman: And when you say, and this is what I want you to hear, when you say to your son or your daughter, “Honey, I’d love to hear your opinion about this or that,” what are you really saying? You’re really saying, “I value what you think. I’m interested in what’s going on in your head.” Now here’s the hard part, especially for us as men. If you ask a kid his opinion, and it gives you an opinion, but guess what? It’s a lot different than what you expected. In fact, it’s not what you want to hear. If you’re like most of us, your carnal self will fall prey to, “Hey, that’s not true. Let me tell you what’s really going on here.” And you’re going to try to set him straight.
Dr. Leman: So here’s the key. Can you listen without judgment? If you listen without judgment, that relationship is going to grow, and it’s going to mature, and it’s going to get better every day. And if you listen without judgment, when the going really gets hard for your kids someday, guess what? They’re not going to flinch at going to mom and dad and saying, “Mom and Dad, I need to share something with you.” Keep that in mind. Don’t ask questions. Don’t ask the “why” word. Simply ask for their opinion.
Doug: So Dr. Leman, for Tiffany and for these other moms that are struggling with kids that are powerful kids, once they change their direction, their view of it, how long is it going to take for this kid to change?
Dr. Leman: Not long. Those books, Have a New Kid by Friday and Have a New Teenager by Friday … I always say, “Those are lies. You could have a new kid or a new teenager by Wednesday.” And I mean that. Once the kid realizes that you’re no longer willing to play your part in the dog and pony show in your home, they will move quickly in another direction. They’ll see that it no longer pays off.
Dr. Leman: The other thing to keep in mind … This is just in general, if you have a powerful child. Your powerful child says something that’s really stupid, dumb, whatever, and you have that need to correct them immediately. Don’t do that, parent. Just try this. Try this in your home. They always say, “Don’t try this at home.” I’m telling you to try this at home. Next time your child says something really stupid, dumb, whatever, rather than correct them and tell them the right thing, just say, “Wow, wow, interesting,” and walk away.
Dr. Leman: And you will take the power out of that child. You have removed your sails from your child’s wind, and that’s why those books, Planet Middle School, and Have a New Teenager by Friday, Parenting Your Powerful Child, are just essential reading. You will thank Doug and
Andrea, and hopefully me too, for bringing these books to you. These are life changing books for parents. Don’t suffer another day, parent.
Doug: I think in conclusion here you’d said, “Run towards the fear. Address the fact that the kid could fall in the toilet and all that, though it’s never happened before.” Where’s the line between running towards the fear and empathizing with your kids? How do you know when to do which one?
Dr. Leman: Okay, so the statement is, “Honey, I know this is real to you. I know you struggle with this. Okay? I’m not in your shoes. I can’t experience what you’re experiencing, but I have faith in you that you’re going to solve this problem.” When the teacher sends home this note about your kid and the terrible behavior that your kid is exhibiting in the classroom … Okay, there’s the note. You just read it. What do you do?
Dr. Leman: I would send an email back that says, “Hey, thank you for letting me know what’s going on. I just want you to understand both my husband and myself feel strongly that you and the other professional people at school will deal with this problem with our son, Matthew, in a professional and efficient way. We wish you the very best.” Now, what have we done there? We’ve said, “Thank you for letting us know. Now there’s … I’ll deal at home with what I need to deal with, but I can’t deal with what happens in the classroom. That’s your responsibilities.”
Dr. Leman: See, lots of times the teacher who really doesn’t know what to do, she just sends the email home that says how terrible your kid is, and somehow you’re going to do something magical at home that’s going to make the kid behave differently in school. No, the teacher and the administration are the ones that are going to make a difference in that kid’s behavior in school, whether it’s an in school suspension, or depending upon the grade level, a chair, what we call a thinking chair, where you put a kid in a thinking chair, and they don’t come out of the thinking chair until they think of a way that they could have handled the situation better. There’s all kinds of ways to skin the proverbial cat.
Dr. Leman: But again, parents, don’t get sucked in to thinking that you can control what happens in the classroom, because you can’t. Well Doug and Andrea, I hope this has been helpful. I know parents struggle with powerful children. And my goodness, Tiffany has for sure a powerful child. So again, we pitched those books to you. You can ignore it and keep living your life the way you want to live it. Or if you need some immediate help, Parenting Your Powerful Child, and Have a New Kid by Friday, Have a New Teenager by Friday, Planet Middle School, all are great books to turn your child’s life in a positive direction. So again, thanks Andrea, and thanks, Doug, for being such a vital part of this. I know people love it. So thanks and we’ll look forward to seeing everybody next time.
Doug: Tiffany, thanks a lot for your question. And just as a reminder, that you guys can go to birthorderguy.com/podcastquestion, birthorderguy.com, and leave your audio question for us there. There’s a microphone, and we love answering your questions. It’s such a blessing to hear real world questions through this. And as Dr. Leman said, I can’t encourage you enough, if this is your powerful child, go get the book, Parenting Your Powerful Child, or Have a New You by Friday. Well, we look forward to the next time we get to be with you and add to your parenting toolbox, so that you can love those kids more and more and more. Take care.
Andrea: Have a good week.
Doug: Bye bye.
Andrea: Bye bye.
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Transcript
Doug: Well last time, you got to get help if you had that pre-K or kindergartner on up to elementary school kid. And now we get to ask Dr. Leman, what about junior high and high school years? And specifically, we’re going to ask him to drill down on, “Man, my kid and I are either fighting about school or my kid is struggling at school, Dr Leman. What can I do to help them out?”
Doug: Well, hi. I’m Doug Terpening.
Andrea: I’m Andrea.
Doug: And we are so glad that you are with us today and welcome. If this happens to be your first time, want to let you know that this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or your child, please go seek a local professional for help.
Doug: Well, Dr. Leman, I am excited for this episode because as our kids have progressed from elementary to middle school to high school, man, there are some differences there. And there are some way different issues that kids are dealing with as they go through those early years to the teenage peer years.
Doug: So help these parents that are listening to this. Like, “Man, I got this kid out there in middle school and I got this kid out there in high school and I’m telling you this school is H-E, you know what, double hockey sticks. And they’re struggling.”
Andrea: And I hear moms say, “Yeah, my son’s going to be going into middle school.” And middle school has this tinge to the way they say it because that’s a scary step.
Dr. Leman: I’ve got to tell you guys something funny. We get a lot of positive feedback on our podcasts from people. And I got one recently that really just … it was really all about you, quite frankly, the Terpenings. And the quote was, Doug, are you sitting down? The quote was, “Oh, I just love the Terpenings. Especially, especially,” guess who Doug?
Doug: Andrea.
Dr. Leman: Andrea. Yeah. Were you sitting down? You knew that probably.
Doug: Nobody ever said that.
Dr. Leman: People love Andrea because, you know, they say nice things about me once in a while, too. But people really like the Terpenings because you’re married, you’re a couple, you don’t always think alike. I think some of the things that you’ve said, Doug, on our podcast have really endeared yourself to not only men, but to women. When you’ve sort of admitted, you know, I used to be this kind of a guy and I’ve done a lot of changing. And that speaks volumes about the kind of character that Doug Terpening has. But I just think it’s really sort of cute and funny that this lady, I’ll never forget how she said it, “Especially, especially Andrea.”
Dr. Leman: So Doug and Leman are, you know, we’re chump change and she saw gold. So Andrea-
Andrea: And I say about 1% of the words on the podcast.
Dr. Leman: … we’re glad you’re a part of this every day. Well I don’t think it’s 1%. We ought to do a measurement on that sometime, Doug.
Dr. Leman: Anyway, listen. So listen. Yeah, I would like to talk about the older kids. And by older, we’re saying seventh grade and eighth grade. If you’ve never read, by the way, Planet Middle School. I mean check the ratings out on that book. The reviews on that book, they’re wonderful.
Dr. Leman: I don’t mind saying I don’t review my own books, obviously. They tend to scratch where parents itch.
Dr. Leman: But all of a sudden you’ve got this kid who sat in your lap and, you know, goes with the flow. And all of a sudden they hit the hormone group, as I like to call it, around seventh grade. And you wonder if it’s the same kid. Did he grow up in the same house? And so what you have to understand is that they’re beginning to really flex their individuality. They’re spreading their wings a little bit. They want more freedom. I had a 15-year old tell me recently, he says, “Does mom really think that I can’t read the menu?” [inaudible 00:00:03:59].
Dr. Leman: And then there’s the mom saying, “Look, look honey, they have this,” and, “look honey, they have that.” And the kid confides in me is this, “She doesn’t think I can read this thing?”
Dr. Leman: So you’ve got to be careful here. They’re growing up. Let me give you a word picture of Kevin Leman in seventh grade. I walked to school. I grew up in Buffalo, New York, area. I would go to a little restaurant across the street from the school. And we had a seven through 12 school. And I would sit there in the morning and get a Danish pastry, a cup of coffee, and I would smoke some cigarette butts that I smuggled out of my father’s ashtray in my home. And if I didn’t order coffee, I would order a root beer that came in an iced mug. I was such a punk. I mean, and I struggled in seventh grade academically, I struggled in eighth grade. I struggled all through high school.
Dr. Leman: You know, many of you know my story. I graduated right at the bottom of my class in high school. Looking back, my mother seemed to spend more time at school than I did. She certainly spent a lot of time with my teachers. And she went to those proverbial nights where the parents would go from class to class, meet all the teachers. I always hated that because it was like, “Okay, they’re talking about me.”
Dr. Leman: And she’d always come home with the same one liner. “All of your teachers say the same thing. You could really do something if you’d only apply yourself.” I hated that statement. And I heard it over and over and over again. If I would only apply myself, I was a jerk. But you know what? If someone would have pointed out to me that I was the youngest of three children. I wish I knew Dr. Kevin Leman then, because he could have really helped me.
Dr. Leman: He would have said things like, “You know, your older brother, he’s the captain of the football team. He’s the quarterback. He was voted best looking in his class. And your sister, your older sister, I know she’s like a second mother to you, but she never got a B in her life in anything.”
Dr. Leman: Well see, I could have used some insight that I was behaving the way I was behaving because I felt I could never measure up to brother or sister. So when teachers in Williamsville Central High School saw me come up, and they saw that last name, they assumed that I would be like my brother who was a very, very good student, and my sister who was a perfect student. Boy, were they surprised.
Dr. Leman: They used to walk up and down and collect homework papers and you’d put them on your left or right corner of your desk when you were done. The teachers never even broke stride when they came to my desk. They knew it wouldn’t be there.
Dr. Leman: So I’m telling … This is a prelude to what we’re talking about. Kids who struggle in school. What would’ve been helpful is if my parents would have probably got me a tutor, an older girl would be fine, like a freshman. Dimples would be great. Well I won’t go into any more details.
Dr. Leman: But nevertheless, getting me help academically at that point probably would have helped me a lot. And parents, all I’m saying is if you got a kid that struggled … Again, let’s look back at the last school year and how many shouting matches and how many tears and how many slammed doors and how many, “You don’t understand and I can’t do it and you need to help me.” And all those kinds of discussions that took place. What possibly could give you reason to think that this next year, this year that we’re starting right now, is going to be any different? I’m here to tell you it’s not going to be any different. If anything, it’s going to get worse.
Dr. Leman: So what are some creative ways that you can help your child who seems to really lack some basic skills educationally? For some of you it might mean taking them for an evaluation. Maybe there’s some other things going on in the kid’s life. But my point is you have to have a new game plan for this year. And once those kids hit seventh and eighth grade, hopefully you’re kids not sitting at the corner drugstore this morning or at the counter at the little restaurant, smoking a cigarette in seventh grade and drinking coffee. Hopefully they’re smarter than I was.
Dr. Leman: But nevertheless, all I’m saying is, you got to have a game plan here. So if kids are troubled, look for ways of getting help. Go to the teacher, go to the professional, go to the counselor at school and say, “What do you think? What do you think we should do? What kind of help could we give our son or our daughter?”
Dr. Leman: So again, with older kids, they’re now … Activities tend to become more predominant. They take more time. If your kid gets involved in sports, you know what that drill’s like. Which brings me to the point of do you lessen the responsibility that your teenager has in the home? I think the answer is yes.
Dr. Leman: Why do I say yes? Because younger kids need to pick up the slack. Because older kids are involved in more things. They have, quite frankly, less time to do things around the house. And that’s a great way of ensuring that everybody pitches into the family.
Dr. Leman: So again, with older kids, you’re talking about getting a driver’s permit and getting a driver’s license. And I’d ask you the question, is your kid responsible at home? Yes. Is your kid responsible in school? Yes. Well, if there’s two yeses, then yes, a kid can get a job. That’s not a right. It’s a privilege to get a job. Could my kid drive a family car? He could if both of those are yeses.
Dr. Leman: So there’s a lot to consider when you think about the school year and how important are grades? And do your kids have a long-range plan? And are they college material, so to speak? Are they more vocationally oriented? Is your son or daughter in the right high school? Maybe they should be in a charter school, a private school.
Andrea: Dr. Leman, I want to jump back to the struggling student and how you suggested getting a tutor. And I guess what I’m wondering is, what about the kid who’s, it’s because they’re emotionally struggling? Maybe the emotionally struggling has led to academic struggles. But maybe they’re not even academically struggling. Is it still a tutor that they need? Or will the tutor for a child who’s emotionally struggling and academically struggling help the emotional side, too?
Dr. Leman: I think to answer your question directly, I think the academic help helps with the rest of it as well, Andrea. I think parents sometimes move too quickly to take their kid to the neighborhood shrink. And I think they fear that somehow their kids aren’t going to make it, that they’re going to be left behind. There’s a lot of parents who push.
Dr. Leman: We did some shows, in fact, I did a op-ed for Fox News in New York on the super rich actors and actresses who paid exorbitant amounts of money to get their kids into prestigious universities, where they had absolutely no right to be there.
Dr. Leman: So parents are well known for doing things for their kids that kids could be doing for themselves. And it’s fear based, that somehow my kid’s not going to measure up. It’s more important that your kids learn that failure is okay. It’s a stepping stone to doing the right thing and to getting things done right.
Dr. Leman: Again, I go back to the basics. Your kid has to feel like you believe in them. I think I’ve shared this before, but one of my vivid memories from little league baseball. I was 12 years old and I was an All-Star. Okay? I was selected for the All-Star team, so I was a pretty good little baseball player.
Dr. Leman: But I remember facing a guy named Norm Hankinson. I’m telling you, the guy had a five o’clock shadow. He was huge. He needed to shave twice a day and he was 12 years old. I remember him throwing a fast ball and I remember my little knees shaking at that plate. I still remember my father yelling, “Hit it out of the park, Kevin! Hit it out of the park!”
Dr. Leman: And I’m thinking, “Hit it out of the park? How about a foul tick? Would you settle for a foul tick?”
Dr. Leman: But you know, I’ll say something about John and May Leman, they believed in their kid even though there wasn’t a lot of reason to do so.
Dr. Leman: When you think of all mighty God, he looks at us as these little incomplete scribble-like pictures that maybe a four or five year old would do that are on refrigerators across U.S. and Canada today. And yet he loves us. He wants what’s best for us. But are we a completed work? No.
Dr. Leman: And so the hard part, parent, is how do you encourage your kid on a daily basis? And how do you measure out that vitamin N, no, to give balance to your kid, so that your kid knows deep down in their heart you care about them, you care about their feelings. Again, parent, when was the last time you sat at the dinner table and said, “Honey, I’d love your opinion about this. I’d love your opinion about that.” When was the last time you did that?
Dr. Leman: When did you get into your kid’s mind and say, “Help me out. I’m trying to understand some things. I see these things on TV and I hear these stories and I hear things that young people are doing to themself. Like cutting, for example. I don’t get that. Honey, can you shed any light on that?”
Andrea: Hmm.
Dr. Leman: I mean, get it into your kid’s head. Let them know that you live in this world. Let them know that you want their opinion. You respect their ideas.
Dr. Leman: Let me ask y’all a question. All you listening right now, do you associate with people that you’re uncomfortable with? Oh, I heard a resounding no. No way. Then why would your kids hang out with people that they feel uncomfortable around? So the question, parent, is, do your kids feel comfortable around you? And if they don’t, why? Why don’t you ask them? This might be a great learning experience for you.
Doug: Well, Dr. Leman, I really want to come back to the whole believe in your kids and failure is a stepping stone. But I’m not going to forget this time that we have an e-book promotion, which fits in perfectly in here.
Doug: So this one, I know you should be out buying this book. So for a $1.99, from September 3rd through September 9th of 2019, don’t be upset, Dr. Leman. You can get Parenting Your Powerful Child. For those that have no idea what that is, how will that book help them?
Dr. Leman: Well, number one, let me say that should never happen, that you’re able to buy that book for a $1.99. Parenting Your Powerful Child is pure gold. If you have a kid that if you said, “The sky is blue.” He says, “Actually, it’s Aqua.” This is a book for you.
Dr. Leman: This is a kid that when you tell them to do this, it’s a pretty good prediction he’s going to do just the opposite. He has reasons he loves to fight with you, argue with you. Chances are he’ll be a courtroom attorney someday. Who knows, maybe he’ll make a lot of money and give you some money in your old age.
Dr. Leman: But nevertheless, dealing with powerful children, they say I only count in life when I win, when I dominate, when I control. They’re not fun people to live with and they’re certainly not fun people to marry, by the way.
Dr. Leman: So this is a book that helps you to see how you can remove your sails from your child’s wind, from the tornado-like winds that he or she throws your way. Your life will go smoother. Your kid will profit from it. You’ll feel better about yourself and you’ll do it without yelling and screaming at your kid. For $1.99, I’d download that thing this second. You cannot miss on Parenting Your Powerful Child. By the way, that world is full of them.
Doug: You don’t have to hear me augment this, but I’m telling you, go buy that book, buy that book, buy that book. And you will thank us all later. Okay, now a no-nonsense parent advice from Dr. Kevin Leman.
Dr. Leman: It’s safe to say the older you get in life, let me tell you, your faith is going to become more meaningful to you. You see the years and the months tick by and you ask yourself, “Where’d all those years go?”
Dr. Leman: One of the things I’m truly indebted to my sweet mom for, and many of you have heard this story of one form or another, but it bears repeating. She put reminders of the importance of faith in my life as a young kid. There was a picture of Jesus knocking at the door. Many of you of can recall that picture. It’s a picture with no door knob on the outside. The point of that picture was that that door has to be opened on the inside by us, that we have to invite the living God into our life. And the other was a little plaque that read, “Only one life will soon be passed. Only what’s done for Christ will last.”
Dr. Leman: I can tell you as a grown man that I’ve recited that just in the past, I’d say, the past month. I’ll bet I’ve said that little thing to myself 100 times. Just a reminder to put things in perspective about what’s really important in life.
Dr. Leman: Well, one of the reasons why that is real to me today, is that I saw the realness in my mother’s faith. And later in life, my dad’s faith. He came to faith at age 56. It was my mom who was the primary person who set faith in all of her three children. She set it forward in a natural way. I mean, she tried. God love her, she sent me to JOY Club. It was pathetic. It was pathetic. I still remember what JOY stood for, Jesus, others, and you.
Dr. Leman: I hated that thing. It was after school. I want to go out and play and I had to be in some lady’s basement watching flannelgraphs. You’re not old enough to remember what a flannelgraph was. Ask some old guy what a flannelgraph was. They were boring as mud.
Dr. Leman: But, you know, my mom lived the Christian life. She was kind, she was concerned for other people. She prayed for other people. I saw with my own eyes. So all you parents out there who are in such a hurry to make sure your kid has faith, listen, chill, kickback, show your faith, show your life to your kids. Talk to them about things that are a concern. See things in the headlines of the newspapers or on Yahoo News and talk about them. And don’t be afraid to say, “Honey, I’d like to hear your opinion on this.” Remember, their opinion’s going to be different. Don’t ask questions, ask opinion. That’s a little bonus on today’s tip.
Doug: So Dr. Leman, I have two burning questions here. You said failure can be a stepping stone and believe in our kids. But I have to get … My kids have to get almost all A’s or at least all A’s and B’s to have any shot at getting into a good college. So I can’t let them fail. Yet you’re telling me let them fail and use failure as a stepping stone? They’ll never make it to a good college. So why are you dooming my kids to [crosstalk 00:18:49]?
Dr. Leman: Well, all right, let’s play out that scenario real quickly. As a parent, you’re reminding your kid to get in a good college. Someday you need straight A’s and a few B’s and all that. And you can explain to him how much money it is to send them down the road to that university, whether it be private or public. It’s a lot of money these days.
Dr. Leman: But your kid misfires, and he doesn’t do that, and he drags his feet, and he barely graduates from college. Let’s take that.
Doug: Okay.
Dr. Leman: That’s your dreaded fear. He didn’t do anything. He just did enough, a lick and a holler to get by. Today’s educational is set up for that kid. That kid, once motivation sets in, once maturity comes to his life and he says, “I’ve been a fool. I need to do something with my life.” He, even with that terrible high school record, can get in a local community college, he can take two years and get above average grades and transfer to most state universities in the state you live.
Dr. Leman: So the reality is, even though he screwed up in high school, and I’m not advocating, I’m just saying it happens, that kid, with proper motivation, can do two years in a community college, transfer to a university. Really get motivated and want to get a master’s degree or maybe even a doctorate degree. I think we sort of overplay that.
Dr. Leman: I would also underscore that every kid does not need to go to college. We’ve got too many kids in college who do not need a college education. They would benefit from a technical school much more than the local universities.
Andrea: So you’re saying don’t worry about a few failures, let that be a teaching opportunity for them, and it’s going to work itself out down the road?
Dr. Leman: Well, I can’t quote it verbatim, but there’s a thing out there on Abraham Lincoln about how he lost this election. Lost that, failed this, failed this, failed that. I’m going to make a guess that Abe did pretty good in life. Every time I pick up a penny, I have that thought.
Dr. Leman: And by the way, when I say pick up a penny, I no longer pick up pennies. When change drops from my pocket, I survey the situation. If there’s a quarter or two, I might bend down. Sometimes I bend down. I ask myself, “Why did I bend down this far? Now I got to get up.”
Dr. Leman: Yeah, if you talk to anybody in life who’s successful, they’ll tell you a failure was a part of their life.
Doug: So here’s my question. I love all this. This makes me feel good, blah, blah, blah. But Dr. Leman, I got to be honest with you, my kid, we got behavior issues.
Doug: A, I can’t get him to do his work. It’s just a fight at home. And to be honest, I’m working, my spouse is working. I ain’t got time for this. I know I should. I can’t really do this, but he’s out of control. I love all this advice, but I ain’t got the strength.
Dr. Leman: Kids care about money, privilege, cars, internet, games. Parents, you have to hit kids where they hurt. If a kid isn’t pulling their weight in their home, you discipline them with love. Which means, again, would you let a kid drive a car that not responsible? No. Would you give kid money and you know he’s smoking pot? No, I wouldn’t give him a dime. If he wants money, he can go out and earn it. Get a part-time job someplace. You have to realize there’s only certain things you can do as a parent.
Dr. Leman: But what we’re not going to do is make it easy for him to engage himself in things that are hurtful to himself, to others, and society.
Dr. Leman: And sooner or later you have the toilet paper talk that you’ve heard me describe. Where you sit a kid down and try to get attention for just five minutes. And if he’s 15 years old, my suggestion is bring 18 jointed toilet tissue and hold them up in front of your kid. And they’re going to think you’re nuts. And drop them off one at a time until you only have three or four left in your hand.
Dr. Leman: And say, “Honey, you have three or four years remaining in your sentence here in this prison, in this home. We know you’re unhappy living here. We can’t help that. We’re not in charge of your happiness. But I can tell you one thing, that when on your 18th birthday, that’s February 17th if I remember rightly, you are free man. You’re a free woman. You can go anywhere you want. We wish you the best. I know you’re going to tackle life with an enthusiasm and we’re going to wish you the very best at that day.” Sometimes that doesn’t.
Dr. Leman: Sometimes that gets a kid’s attention that, you know what? I am growing up. I am getting older. Or what am I going to do in life? and for some of those kids, they join the service. And they finish high school barely and go in and figure out what life’s all about. And somehow military training helps some of these kids turn their lives around.
Dr. Leman: Or like in my case, it was a spiritual awakening at age 21, changed my life. But I went from a flunking D, F student to an honor roll student and never looked back. How’d that happen? In my case had happened with the intervention of all mighty God.
Doug: So Mrs. T., You got a wild child like that. You got 18 rolls of toilet paper. Can you do that?
Andrea: Oh, it feels kind of cold like to say, “Well, okay. This date you’re out.” But I was just reflecting the other day how important it is that I actually have to kind of let go my kids as young adults and I can’t control their choices. I can’t control where they go. I can love them. And hopefully that relationship will … that they want to come to me for advice. But I have to let go and let them make their own choices.
Dr. Leman: Maybe Andrea, instead of toilet paper, you should use fine chocolates. Bring 18 of them.
Andrea: And I’ll eat them as I count Let’s see, we’re on year 15, so I’ll eat 15.
Dr. Leman: And you give the last four to your son or daughter. Yeah.
Andrea: Okay. I’ll do that.
Dr. Leman: But be sure to put each individual chocolate on a little toilie. A little, you know, whatever they call those things.
Andrea: Doily. Not a toilie.
Dr. Leman: The little fancy … A doily. Did I say toilie?
Andrea: You said toilie. I think I did. Yeah. It’s a doily. It’s a little doily. Or if you want, give him a doily while he’s on the toilie. And that ought to be a good conversation.
Doug: Okay, you two.
Dr. Leman: I almost laughed at myself. That was very bad.
Doug: That was funny. Well, Dr. Leman, that sounds cold-hearted, but Andrea and I have done it. Like, no, we haven’t done the toilet paper thing. But you’ve told us other harsh things to tell … that sound very harsh to our kids. And all of our kids have always responded to them.
Doug: And the other thing that you said, if you’re a new listener, you may not have heard it. But Dr. Leman was pointing out that, use your phrase, they wouldn’t have underwear if it weren’t for you. And don’t be afraid to use the reality that you are paying for all these things to help your kids do the right thing for their sake.
Andrea: The one I like is when you say if they, you know, if they’re talking about leaving home and you say, “Go ahead. I’m sure there’s somebody else that’ll pay for your phone, and your food, and your rent.” And just the reality of there’s nowhere else I’m going to get such a deal.
Doug: So Dr. Leman, full disclosure here, and then we should let you talk, is we actually did that with one of our kids. We said, “Hey, we know that this is a really rough place to have free food, and free internet, and free heat, and free water. And just in a couple years you’ll be out.” And they were pissed at us at first. But you know what? Their behavior changed. It was shocking, actually. So it worked.
Dr. Leman: Well, it’s the reality of life and, you know, I coined the term in 1984, reality discipline, when I did the first edition of Making Children Mind Without Losing Yours.
Dr. Leman: And you know, you mentioned new listeners. And we gather new listeners every week. We know that. I would remind you, young, new moms and dads who’ve never read a Leman book, pick up, Have a New Kid by Friday, or Making Children Mind Without Losing Yours, The Birth Order Book. Those are [inaudible 00:26:23] to understand what we talk about on our podcast every day.
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Dr. Leman: Writing humor is interesting, because you write it and speak it and they’re two different things. People don’t always get humor in the written form. But you’ll like the books. And we thank Revell for sponsoring this podcast. And we get great reviews from those of you who listen to us. And now be a good friend to us and pass it along to your friends. It’s free, as you know, what could be better?
Doug: And if you’re a new listener and you’re just listening to this, I can’t recommend that you read these books enough. And the reason why is it gives you, the parent, the confidence to do the right thing. You just, it’s like having your own coach cheering you on next to you. So it’s helped me tremendously. It’s definitely changed … I tell people it’s changed my parenting. And we have a 20-year old that texts us almost every day. And it’s worth it. So do it, go for it.
Doug: Okay, well, we love helping you and we want you to have an amazing relationship with your kids for decades and decades and decades. And that’s why we do this. And that’s why we encourage you to read these books and we love, love, love being with you. So we look forward to the next time we get to be with you.
Andrea: Have a great week.
Doug: Take care.
Andrea: Bye bye.
Doug: Bye bye.
]]>Are you prepared for the back to school season? Dr. Leman gives insightful tips for starting school right in today’s episode.
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Doug: So your kids are either back in school or about to start in school. What do you do with that five, six year old that you’re putting back in kindergarten for the first time? Or what about that first grader, second grader or third grader that just is struggling to get it going at school? Well, that’s the question we get to ask Dr. Leman today. Hi, I’m Doug [inaudible 00:00:26].
Andrea: And I’m Andrea.
Doug: And we are so glad that you are with us today and if this happens to be your first time, we just want to let you know that this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or your child, please go seek a local professional for help. Well, Dr. Leman we’re talking about today like how do I help my elementary or kindergarten kid get ready for school? But I haven’t asked you this in a while. How are the Leman Academies doing?
Dr. Leman: Very well. We have waiting lists at five of our six schools. Now when I say a waiting list, I mean, they’re a couple hundred deep trying to get in. Again, we offer quality education with rigor, high expectations. We don’t accept excuses. We put authority in the classroom teacher’s hands. So some of you just hearing that or thinking, “Hey Leman, would you mind building a school in our neighborhood because we could use that?” Well, yeah, you could use it. So could all of America and all of Canada as well.
Dr. Leman: It’s a wonderful model. It’s based on basically three books that I’ve authored, The Birth Order Book, Have a New Kid by Friday, Making Children Mind Without Losing Yours. So parents love to send their kids there. Kids love our schools and teachers feel like the movie Field of Dreams when the question is asked, “Is this heaven?” “No, it’s Iowa.” We tell our teachers, “No, this is Leman Academy. Welcome.” And they love being in our school.
Doug: That’s awesome that you’re up to six schools already. That’s really, really cool. That’s really, really cool. Well, today’s podcast is how do I help my little guy get going in kindergarten and elementary school?
Dr. Leman: Well, I’m so glad we’re doing this and I realize that you’ve already pointed out, Doug, that for many of us, school has already started. For example, I have a Leman Academy out West in Colorado and Arizona. We actually start school, I believe it’s August one so we’ve already three weeks in by the time this airs. But let’s start with the little ones and we’ll even include the preschoolers here because many of you as parents have enrolled your kids in preschool or you’re thinking of doing it. Keep in mind just a couple of general things. Your little firstborn doesn’t like change in all probability. Most firstborns do not like change. They don’t like new things. So use your head, parents. Do some dry runs to the preschool, do some dry runs to the kindergarten. Most school systems have a special time where you can bring your son or daughter to the classroom.
Dr. Leman: They get to meet to teach. It’s a little meet and greet kind of a thing. And again, I’m speaking to you, firstborn parents as well. You know how you are, you know yourself. So use your head here. Get your kids to put their little foot in the water and realize that an alligator’s not going to chop their little toesies off, that they can proceed without fear and make that transition as natural as possible. Please don’t overhype it. Please don’t tell that kid how much they’re going to love it. Because if you have a powerful child, I got news for you. He’s going to make sure you understand after the first day he hates that place. So what I’m saying is take things in stride. Okay? Get them acclimated. Now looking at the first grader, the second grader who’s already gone through kinder, they’ve done some socialization, they’ve learned to share some, and they’ve learned all their colors and by the end of kindergarten, many kids are reading today.
Dr. Leman: Now you got to ask yourself, “Okay, what’s the routine like for our school year? What are bedtimes like? How much of our time at the end of the school day is devoted to believe it or not, homework?” And again, this is a sidebar, a school that gives way too much homework, in my opinion, is a sign of a poor school system. A little homework, yes. A lot of homework, no. So again, get to know the teacher. Put a routine in place. If you have a kid who’s about as disheveled as Pig-Pen from the Peanuts comic strip, help that kid get organized. Put some different colored folders in a child’s room where schoolwork can be put into different areas. Help them to get organized. Some of you are naturally organized and some of you are not and your kids are going to be that way. So you have to follow your own nose on this, your own lead here, parents and realize that one child might need a little bit more help than another when it comes to structuring things.
Dr. Leman: Now we get into the older grades where kids have, you know, a half hour or sometimes even an hour of homework. Where does that kid do the homework? What time of day does that kid do the homework? Is your kid the kind of kid that wants to come home from school and delve into it and get it done? I had kids say, “Dad, I did it in the car on the way home.” So again, every kid is different. But is there a place where a kid can study, can concentrate, get their homework done, whatever. Again, remember it’s your son or daughter’s in the third grade or the fourth grade or the sixth grade, not you. So don’t get caught doing homework for them. Kids will work here.
Dr. Leman: But again, I think the big things to think about at this time of year is, “Okay, I’ve got a sixth grader, what was my year like last year?” Where are the times you found yourself wanting to pound your head on the wall of your home or apartment? What were those trigger points? And my question to you is, what are you going to do differently this year to avoid that? Because quite frankly, if you don’t have a game plan in line, it’s not going to happen. You’re going to have a repeat of what happened last year.
Dr. Leman: In our next podcast, I’m going to try to tackle what do you do with problem kids, kids that aren’t hitting on all eight cylinders in school. I will also tackle the older kids, the high school kids where they have more freedoms and more responsibilities. And so speaking of responsibilities, even though kids are going to school year, they still have responsibilities in the home.
Dr. Leman: I think that’s really important that kids have well-defined jobs so to speak, where they understand that their responsibility now that school has started deepens because not only do they have their household chores that they need to be responsible for, but they also have their school activities and things. And speaking of activities, do you have a central calendar in your home? I think the perfect place for it is some pretty strong magnets on a refrigerator door where if there’s activities or projects due or family things or church events or whatever that we can put them on the family community calendar. All of you know life’s busy. And I’ve said it in one of my books help, I’m a cabbie and my SUV isn’t even yellow and we tend to pillar, you know, take kids from place to place and life can get very hectic. So again, you’re listening to the baby of the family talking about getting organized.
Dr. Leman: And I’d have to admit to you in full disclosure that one of the things I’ve done well in life is I’ve surrounded myself with people who are organized because my nature is not to be organized. So again, nobody knows your kids better than you do. And one other thing, and then I’m going to ask Doug and Andrea to pitch in. For those of you who are starting school, are you putting your kid in kinder too early? Is your son or daughter a late in the year birth baby?
Dr. Leman: We have parents who try to get their kids into Leman Academy as four year olds in kindergarten and we routinely turn them down. Yes, I know your kid’s bright. Yes, I know some four year olds read and all that, but the emotional maturity, the social maturity is a key here and I’m of the opinion, and this is flat out opinion that if you start kids a little later on, they’re going to profit, especially as they grow through those tougher grades starting when the curriculum really takes a hard left turn at fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth grade. Okay. Doug and
Andrea fire away. What do you think?
Doug: Well, I’m just sitting here studying with one of the first you made was don’t make it, you know, take them to the school, let them see where their classrooms are going to be and all those things and don’t make it a big deal. But I know like Andrea and like she would be wound to a 10 at emotions in this moment. How does a mom or a dad balance that, “I got to show my kid I love him and I want to nurture them,” but not make it a big deal when you’re at the school, when you yourself are a raging volcano inside?
Dr. Leman: Well, number one, again, I go back to this statement, nobody knows your kid better than you. And some of those kids on that first day of kinder or whatever, they’re going to be clingy. They’re not going to want to let go. And they might throw a little dog and pony show for you, including some real emotion. My advice is at that point, hand your child to the teacher. Thank him or her. Wish them a good day. Turn around and leave.
Dr. Leman: Now, what I give you pure permission to do is when you walk out of school, burst into tears, cry your little eyes out, go to your car and sob for 20 minutes. But listen to me, he’ll make it. She’ll make it without you. Remember our job is to create a responsible citizen someday, and this is step one of letting go. It’s a big deal for parents. I know it is. Take the pictures and all those kinds of things you want to do, but don’t get caught up in the drama.
Andrea: Do you think there’s something about like when you said, take the pictures, I can envision my sister’s girls when they were going off to their first day of kindergarten and she would post a picture of Maddie’s first day in kindergarten, you know, with their new backpack and it’s almost like a celebration rather than a, “We have to do this,” making a celebration out of it rather than a gritting my teeth?
Dr. Leman: Yeah. I just think the more you can keep that in proper perspective, the better. Sure, you want the picture of the first day of school. I have a picture of my home in New York. My buddy [Moon] and I on the first day of school and I’m sad to report that Moon had had a little pot belly even back in those days. But there’s the picture of the two of us and it’s one that I treasure to this day. I was five years old and so was he. We were in kinder, but I get that. But again, parents, remember your kids are going to read you and they’re going to read your emotions and they can read you like a book. They know how to push your buttons. Don’t ever forget that. So the more stable, and matter of fact you are with this life-changing event, the better off your son or daughter is going to handle that transition into school.
Andrea: Is it ever a sign if the child is really clingy that maybe they’re not ready to go to kindergarten and maybe this kind of leans more towards those kids have a later birthday in the year that maybe you should hold off for a year?
Dr. Leman: Yeah, and some just emotionally, just mature-wise, aren’t ready. Most kindergartens have a pretest that they’ll give a kinder to see if they’re ready, a readiness test and hopefully you’ve taken that or we’ll take that, consult with your teacher. Let me give you a personal thing out of my life. We have five children, the youngest of which is a toy designer. In fact, she just designed two things that are in Disneyland today as we speak, that she’s created. She’s the youngest in the family, but she’s not a youngest. Those of you who read The Birth Order book. She is the only child that has six parents and everything that young woman does, she does well. She’s now 27 years of age this August. In kindergarten, teacher pulls us aside and says, “You know what? I think Lauren ought to repeat kinder.” I’m thinking, “Repeat kinder? My kid failed kinder? She’s a dummy? She’s eating paste? Where have we gone wrong? Why didn’t I see this?”
Dr. Leman: And we just talked and I listened to the teacher and I talked to my wife and I said, “Honey, I see where she’s coming from on this. Her birthday is August 22nd so she’s in the ballpark for being unscheduled for kinder but a little late in the year.” And we followed the teacher’s advice. Lauren repeated kinder with no scars and there’s a kid who, I mean she’s a winner with a capital W, with an exclamation point on the back end of it. She’s extremely bright, creative, as an intern, she designed the pond on Frozen. I mean the kid’s talented artistically. So I don’t know, I just say parents sometimes you have to sit with the educators and you have to listen to what they have to say and sometimes you take other people’s perspective. Are you ultimately responsible? Yeah, you are. So choose your school carefully.
Doug: Yeah, I was just thinking through our kids and take them to kindergarten, how James, oldest, he could march right in and he would just stiff upper lip but maybe our second child would have tried to manipulate us emotionally. And it just made me think of The Birth Order book and how helpful that is to know those traits that are going to be there. And like you said, you have to know your child.
Dr. Leman: You have to get behind the eyes of your sons and your daughters and see how they see life. And as a reminder, you mentioned The Birth Order book, the family changes with the birth of each child. I always say it’s amazing how these three or four little cubs that came out of the same den are so uniquely different. But I also go back and say, “You know what, actually it’s not the same den because the den changes with the birth of each child.”
Dr. Leman: So we’re asking you in some ways parents to be a good shrink to get behind your kid’s eyes but don’t fall prey to their drama. The drama queens are labeled queens for a reason because young women are very, very good in drama. They’re a little better than us men. Not that boys can’t be powerful and all that, I don’t mean that, but just don’t get sucked in. Don’t snowplow the roads of life of your kids. Don’t find yourself vicariously living your life through your son or your daughter. Let them be who they are.
Andrea: So I have another observation here. Two of the things that you mentioned were thinking about what is the family routine going to be for this school year and also reflecting on last year’s trigger points in it. It made me think about how every school year is different and kids are in different kinds of classes, they’ve got different kinds of extracurricular going on. And I think for me it’s been important that I recognize that not to try and make every year look like the previous year. And so I appreciated that you said, what are last year’s trigger points, what kinds of things would a mom be looking for in that?
Dr. Leman: Well and whatever those struggles have been last year, again, we’ll talk about this more in our next podcast, but you can expect some of the same things and you can examine yourself as well. How do we handle that and how that worked out for us? And most of us wouldn’t say if we’re honest, not very well. Well then, what are we going to do different? See, because the school year, as soon as the school year comes, it affects everybody. It affects everybody in the family, dad, mom, grandma, grandpa sometimes, babysitters. It’s something that if husband and wife are on the same plane on this, on the same page, this also will help a great deal.
Andrea: So I feel like you’re giving permission to completely change everything about how your family routine goes or the kinds of activities that your kids are doing from year to year. Like it’s freeing to me to hear that. I don’t know. I don’t really have a question. I think I’m just feeling like it’s very freeing to hear that. Like go ahead and change things up.
Dr. Leman: Yeah. Let me give you an example. Your son or daughter decides in a first grade that they want to take trumpet lessons. I remember I got as far as rock of ages on the trumpet. Now I’m going back on my memory bank, but after four weeks in school, he decides he doesn’t want to play the trumpet anymore. If he’s my kid, he’s going to play the trumpet until the end of the semester. I don’t care how good he plays the trumpet or how bad he plays the trumpet. He’s going to play the trumpet for the semester. At semester, if there is a change that needs to be done, it can be done then.
Andrea: Why don’t you let him stop at four weeks?
Dr. Leman: Why? So I can teach him that he can make a decision and then bail out on it. I want to teach them in the home early that when you make a decision to do something, you’re going to do it. You’re going to do it as best you can. And if you don’t like it after a set period of time, but see I think in semesters maybe that’s because I’m a former Dean of students, but I think that’s enough time for a kid to really get interested in something. Sometimes kids decide prematurely they don’t like something and you’re giving them an escape out. And so going in to that, “Okay, if you want to take trumpet lessons, you have to understand one thing. You are going to take trumpet lessons until Christmas break or until the semester’s over. Without understanding, we will rent the instrument and you will do those lessons that you think are going to be so cool.”
Dr. Leman: The question to every family is, do you have a port of call? Do you know where you’re going? What is the [inaudible] house rules? And that includes how we treat each other or responsibilities or how much activities. Now your kids I know have been involved in 4H and I’ve been a critic of activities for kids for years, but I’m always, well always whenever I get an opportunity to say something about organizations like 4H, I take it upon myself to say I think that’s one of the greatest organizations a kid can get involved in. Because it has so much heavy emphasis on what individual responsibility.
Dr. Leman: So anyway, parents, don’t overload the schedule. You need time to be lovers and to be friends and to be married partners and don’t let school and don’t let your kids rule your home. That’s not putting you on authority. So you need a way of having set limits, margins, expectations, all surrounded with love and encouragement that vitamin N, no, that vitamin E, encouragement. And that’s the kind of environment where kids can really bloom.
Doug: Yeah. Now that I have kids that are leaving the nest and going and living in foreign countries, I can tell you that, boy, you said it so well there. Don’t overload the schedule so that you can nurture and love them because it goes way too fast and you miss those moments at home way more than I ever thought.
Dr. Leman: Was James a 4H-er?
Doug: Yeah. Yeah, he was super 4H-er, which is interesting because you’ve said, I’ve learned that you want your kids to serve, he’s paying to serve in Costa Rica right now. Right? And it’s changed his life. And 4H planted that, helped plant that seed in there.
Dr. Leman: Yeah. And how much would you attribute that to the training he got in your home and the training he got at 4H?
Doug: A lot. It was the values that they, you know, because 4H is about serving others. And it’s a big part of what they want you to do. So yeah, absolutely.
Andrea: But it was also the culture in our home too.
Doug: And our cultural at home.
Andrea: Which probably drove us to do 4H.
Dr. Leman: Yeah. Okay, well I hope we’ve helped people today. You’ve got to get off on the right foot and that’s important. But parents, you need to have a game plan that has to mesh with your child’s temperament and personality.
Doug: Yup. And I know we’ve gone long on this one, but Dr. Leman, I know you said this, but I just again, now that I see it, how important is it that we do what every other family is doing and how important it is to have the courage to be different from everybody else? What would you say to those parents?
Dr. Leman: Again, you want your kids to be different. Hey parents, do you really want your kid to be like every other kid? If you do, I feel sorry for you. I feel sorry for your kid because I can tell you if your goal is to have your kid be like every other kid, your son or daughter is going to be very unhappy throughout life because they’re never going to experience who they are. And God created all of these kids differently for a reason. And many times we expect these kids just to fall in line and be like the stereotypical firstborn who usually does things pretty right.
Doug: Well I got so excited in listening to this that I totally forgot to talk about the eBook promotion this week and the no nonsense parenting advice from Dr. Leman. Like this is embarrassing here. I was so …
Dr. Leman: Well let me say this is your fault, not mine. I’m usually in trouble for something. This time you’re in trouble.
Doug: Yeah. Can we blame Andrea somehow? No, we know she’s perfect. So we can’t do that. So Dr. Leman and all those people out there, August 27th to September 2nd of 2019 you can get the book Perfect Ambition for $1.99, so $1.99 gets you the Perfect Ambition. And what is this book about, Dr. Leman?
Dr. Leman: Well, it’s a fiction. It’s a story of a family, a very wealthy family, and you’re going to see life from behind the firstborn’s eyes. It’s got some mystery and intrigue to it. You see if you can figure out who’s who, who done it sort of thing. My editor said to me, she said, “I’ve read a lot of fiction.” I mean this woman’s been in the business for 40 some years. She said, “I thought I had the POV, the point of view person figured it out, but you fooled me.” So again, if you like fiction, it’s a family that would be analogous to the Rockefellers, the Kennedys, the Bushes, the Clintons, people of money. It gives you a look into how the other side lives. Part of the setting of the book is in a little lake in upstate New York where I happened to spend my summers and so I think people would like it.
Dr. Leman: I don’t know how to say this, but you have to be pretty smart, pretty with it to read this series. It’s not a Dick and Jane fiction series for sure. It’s got some depth to it. It’ll challenge your ability to think things through. So $1.99, those of you who read fiction, you know what you do, you read a book or sometimes you only get through the first couple of chapters and if you don’t get hooked, you’re burn it. So if that’s the case, you’ve misspent two bucks. Live with it. I think you’ll enjoy the book and the series.
Doug: So as we wrap up this topic, there’s a couple of things that come to mind for me as I’m … For you, especially if you’re a new parent, getting ready to send your kids out to school, I think read The Birth Order book if you haven’t already. It really will help you give a perspective of what each kid’s going to need and give you an insight into your kids. Like Dr. Leman said, know your kids. It’s a great, great, great help. It also helps you know who you are and know, like you said, Andrea, the triggers and the things that get us as parents. It’s amazing how much it helps you. And we’re going to talk middle school and high school in a future podcast. But also I think getting ready for applying to middle school, that’s a great book if you’re there, but we’re also going to recommend that again in a while.
Doug: I highly, highly, highly recommend you get these books for you to be prepared to help your kids. Well, we love being with you. We love helping you build your parenting toolbox so you can love these kids and as your kids get ready for school and as you adjust the life at school, we’re excited for you in that adventure with you and your kids. We look forward to the next time we get to be with you.
Andrea: And I think this week I’m going to make a list of my trigger points from last year. Have a good week.
Doug: Take care. Bye, bye.
Andrea: Bye, bye.
]]>It’s time for another Ask Dr. Leman: “How do I handle my cranky 2-year-old?” In this episode, Dr. Leman gives advice on how to act upon signs of a powerful child even at the age of 2.
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Andrea: This mom has a two-year-old and a brand new baby at home. And the two-year-old demands mom or nothing. Do you ever feel like it’s mom or nothing at your home? Let’s see what Dr. Leman has to say to Ashley.
Doug: Hi, I’m Doug Terpening.
Andrea: And I’m Andrea.
Doug: And welcome to the podcast of Have a New Kid with Dr. Kevin Leman. We are so glad that you are with us and if this happens to be your first time, just want to let you know this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or your child, please go seek a local professional for help.
Doug: So Dr. Leman, it’s been a long, long, long time since we’ve done this. So I’m going to ask you a couple of questions about what you’re doing in life these days. How many books have you written?
Dr. Leman: I think it’s now 64.
Doug: Okay.
Dr. Leman: And as I always say a few of them are good, but you know the reason we’ll take Making Children Mind Without Losing Yours for example. Do you know that book came out in 1984? Let’s do some math here. Doug, you’re probably best at math. 16 and 19, sounds like that might be 35
Doug: Yeah, that sounds like 35 to me.
Dr. Leman: So that book has been in print for 35 years. Do you know that most books sold in America sell fewer than 5,000 copies? These are million sellers. I’ve been blessed with longevity in my writing career. The books continue to sell using publisher terminology, that’s what they call backlist gold because once they’ve paid the author, the advance whatever comes in as sort of gravy, they paid off the book. They love books like that, but my question to myself is, why does a book hang around that long? Why isn’t that book out of print?
Dr. Leman: In fact, I did a major revision on it a couple of years ago and it just jettisoned the book to new heights once again. Well, again, I know there’s seasons listening so just hang on, put your seat belt on and drink some Kool-Aid for a minute. Okay. These books are based upon the teachings that are found in the Bible, particularly with a guy named Saint Paul and they work because the principles are God-given principles.
Dr. Leman: Now if you don’t believe in God, whatever. I mean, like I say, have a Starbucks, kick back and do whatever you want to do. I’m just telling you that the long lasting nature of these books whether on a marriage, like the Intimate Connection or Making Children Mind or Having a New Kid by Friday, they’ll continue to be around because from whence they came and people who know me know I want to be practical. I probably have too much fun, but my books tend to be fun, make you chuckle and laugh at yourself. I laugh at myself during the books. And so yeah, to answer the question about 64 books and they’re still around and they’re in every possible language.
Dr. Leman: I spoke last weekend in Los Angeles at a wonderful church. Most of the people that are in fellowship are Korean. And of course I have books in Korean and Chinese and Japanese, all the Asian languages. And you see that the printed word really does reach throughout the world. So I’m just thankful to God that he gave me this platform. We get a lot of feedback about the Terpenings and how much they love you guys and how much they love our podcasts. And I would just ask you guys to help spread the word. Go on Facebook and say, “Hey, if you never heard of Leman Podcast, here it is. It’s worth it. And it’s free.” You don’t beat free.
Doug: And do you have any children yourself?
Dr. Leman: I have five big ones. The youngest is 26, so we’re old and they’re all very, very successful in life. Anybody cares to know. And they all like their parents, which I hope… For those of you who have young kids, you know, you sometimes when you hear me talk about reality, discipline you think, “Oh, I wonder if that’s too harsh. Are my kids going to love me?” You know, if you discipline your kids with love, they’re not only going to like you, but when they’re older like ours are, they’re going to want to hang out with you. It’s really a nice feeling.
Doug: And the reason I wanted to go back down that road is just again to validate that this has been proven for decades. This is not just a brand new fly by night concept that you’re bringing up and it’s proven in your kids that they… One of my favorite things is sometimes we have to stop the podcast because one of your kids is calling you at 6:30 in the morning on their way to work just to connect with dad. Right?
Dr. Leman: It’s now 7:10, 7:19 in Tucson, Arizona. And I think it’s the same time where you are. And at 5:17 this morning, I was exchanging texts with one of my daughters. So we talk a lot. Yeah.
Doug: It’s just crazy that the reason… I’m so glad you said that, that part of this that convinced Andrea and I is the proof of the way that your grown children love you and interact with you. And also can I say, your marriage to your wife was beautiful when we got to be with you in your home and see how much you guys love each other. Okay. I just say that this guy is the real deal and it’s not just some made up. It’s been proven in what he’s done. So we get to hear Ashley’s question now. Here we go. Here’s Ashley’s question for you.
Ashley: Hi Dr. Leman. My name is Ashley. I’m a new mom. I have a two-year-old and a seven-week-old. I’m a huge fan. I started reading your books in college, The Birth Order Book, and I’m 35 now, a recovering firstborn perfectionist, thanks to you.
Ashley: I have two questions. I want to know how I handle my two-year-old who wakes up cranky and irritable sometimes. Maybe she didn’t get enough sleep the night before or we got her to bed too late and the day just starts off on the wrong foot. Sometimes I’ll use humor like you’ve suggested and imitate her tantrums and you know you’re right, that really diffuses her power struggle and we just end up laughing together. Other times, I’ll just cuddle her and I’ll be really loving toward her. But you know, the entire day kind of is off on the wrong foot. So I was just wondering if I’m doing the right things, if I’m handling that correctly, if there’s a better way.
Ashley: Secondly, with the new baby in the house, my first born’s gotten a lot more needy, and she’s always preferred me to my husband but lately it’s mom or nothing. And especially when it comes to bath time and bed time, I could really use my husband’s help. He’s more than willing to help, but my daughter will not let him touch her, especially for bath time or bedtime. She will get very angry. She’ll scream, she’ll hit him, really rude, you know. We try to deal with that, but most of the time we’ll just avoid it all together and I will give her her baths and put her to bed. Bedtime is a special time for us, but sometimes, especially with a newborn, I could use the help and we’d like to do it without her screaming at us. So any thoughts would be great.
Dr. Leman: Oh Ashley, you’re cuter than cute, and it’s so good to know you’re a recovering firstborn perfectionist because that’s probably the root of some of what’s going on here, I’m sure. You’re probably more than a good mom at this stage. And everybody stop and think, “Okay, she’s got a two-year-old and a newborn.” Okay, so you’ve got to figure out what’s going on in two-year-old’s mind, the invader has come home. The thing is getting more attention than he or she deserves. And so her position in life is being threatened. So she’s going to be predictably more clingy.
Dr. Leman: And the thing about she just wants you mom, trust me on this one, that is going to reverse before too long and she’s going to become more of a daddy’s girl as she grows older. You mentioned bathing at night. Most parents bathe at night, I get it, but it only revives them. I wouldn’t bathe a child at night. I’d bathe them in the morning.
Dr. Leman: You do need your husband’s help. And just because little Princess Attila doesn’t appreciate dad and she’s going to fuss and scream, I would have dad give her a quick bath, notice the word quick, and get her dried off and if she’s still in pull ups or something, get that sucker on, jammies on if she wears those, put her down her bed and she can wail at the moon, she can scream, she can throw a hissy fit, but I would continue to add dad to the picture.
Dr. Leman: Getting dad out of the picture, and I realize what you’re saying Ashley, he really wants to help, make him help. Say, “Listen, we’re not going to have a single parent home here. She’s got a dad and a mom and a wonderful dad and you need to be a part of this.”
Dr. Leman: So I wouldn’t back off on that. But she has an insatiable need for you. So she is a powerful two-year-old. So we have to address this, Ashley, which one of you are powerful? Husband or wife? Who insists that things are done exactly the right way? My guess is it’s sweet Ashley, because you are a recovering perfectionist and that’s pretty hard to shake.
Dr. Leman: I know bedtime’s important. You want to make it a pleasurable experience. And what I’m suggesting right now is going to make it a not so pleasurable for awhile, but you can also make it that dad is a story reader at night. I don’t know what your traditions are for tucking in, but I’ve often said when my wife is tucking in our grandchildren, when we’re babysitting them, when they were younger, I mean it’d take her two hours to tuck them in. I can tuck a child in in 47 seconds. No problem.
Dr. Leman: And the kids, when they see it’s grandpa, they know what it’s going to be. “I love you, honey. Say prayers.” Tuck them in. I’m done. I’m out. Mama. Oh, it’s amazing what they come up when grandma’s in there. “Grandma, I want a drink. Oh, grandma, I want a cookie. Can I get a cookie?” I mean, grandma’s the biggest sucker in the world. Like I say, it takes two hours till one of the kids will need sleep.
Dr. Leman: So anyway, I don’t use the term force a lot. I don’t think I’ve said force on any of our podcasts to date, but I think this is one of those things where you sort of say, “Honey, I need you to step up the plate and just do this. I know it’s not going to be good for a while, but we’ve got to get her used to, ‘Hey, you got a mom and a dad, not just a mom,'” because you’re going to wear down. You can’t do it all.
Dr. Leman: Now right now with an infant, as stressful as that is, wait till that little infant is now a year old and walking and now you’ve got a three-year-old and a one-year-old. Talk about stress, there it is in spades.
Dr. Leman: So I think you nipped this in the bud the best you can. I would make that routine right now as short as possible for getting her into bed. And like I say, if she’s going to overreact to it and have a hissy fit, you have a monitor, I’m sure you can watch what’s going on in that room. But I’d let her melt down and cry herself to sleep if that’s what has to happen. But she’ll get used to it and she’ll fall in line. I wish you best.
Doug: How long will she have these hissy fits and meltdowns, do you think?
Dr. Leman: She’ll probably have them for a few nights, be a good guest, depending upon how powerful she is. Some kids, believe it or not, one night and they’re done, they figure it out. But I would guess two or three nights.
Andrea: So Dr. Leman, are you recommending that there’s no more of that special bedtime tucking in like story? I know a lot of us, including myself, that especially with the younger children, that that bedtime is so sweet of like, “We’re going to read I love You to the Moon and Back, and we’re going to sing our song, and we’re going to pray together,” and we have a routine and you’re just saying cut that out.
Dr. Leman: Yeah, I’m… Well, that’s why I said I don’t use the word force very often, but I mean this is a two-parent family and this little daughter and infant are so blessed to have a two-parent family. Think about that for a minute. And they become one and they need to be a unit and they have to work together. Now some people would suggest, well why don’t both of you do that? Well, you got an infant too. I don’t know if she’s nursing the infant or whatever, but you know, mom needs a break. And when mom sees dad come through the door, she’s saying to herself, “Oh, good. Help is on the way.” You know what your family room looks like, ladies, when you got a two-year-old. How many times a day do you pick that sucker up? And I’m just saying at two, they’re very trainable and she will fall in line.
Dr. Leman: So you’re loving and you’re firm. And when she responds in a negative of… And number one, don’t let her hit you. I remember that was part of the conversation. Dad can hold her arms in such a way that she can’t hit anybody, and he can simply lay her down and tell her it’s night-night time. If she’s got a musical thing she goes to bed with or whatever, you turn that on, nightlights on or whatever you do, close the door and leave. And again, she may have a major meltdown but she won’t have… They won’t continue because it’s not paid off.
Andrea: If dad wants to do the story book routine at night, is that okay?
Dr. Leman: Sure. But you start with that. But if she’s going to have the major hissy fit like dad walks in, and he’s got their favorite story book and she starts fussing and what Ashley is saying is she ain’t buying that, she wants only mommy to read me the story. And so you start reading the story. She starts fussing. You close the book. Story time’s over. You pick her up and you put her in the bed and you leave. She’ll wail like a coyote at the moon, but so be it. It’s good for lung development.
Doug: I remember the first time that after hearing you that we did something like this with our children, I don’t remember the specific incident now, but it was one time and our kids were like in shock and they were like, “This is not paying off. We’re not going here.” And I also remember with young children, it was about every six months or so they would decide or three months, somewhere there, they would decide to test the waters to be like, “Huh, I wonder if this will pay off now.” Right? And, you know-
Dr. Leman: Yeah. It’s how they think.
Doug: So, and now I’m telling you, parenting is so easy with teenagers because of the changes we’ve made because of the advice and the help that you’ve given us. Well, I have good news, bad news for you. The good news is we have been running some amazing specials on this podcast for all of our listeners and today we have no ebook for you. So if you were thinking this is going to go on forever, this doesn’t go on forever, and you should have taken advantage of those when you had the chance. I’m sure they’re going to be coming back, but as of right now, we have no ebook special, but we do have a no nonsense parenting advice from Dr. Kevin Leman.
Dr. Leman: A lot of things I say are hard to compute in your mind when you first hear them. Children are the enemy. Fighting is not to cooperation. How about this one? Reminders are disrespectful. Warnings are disrespectful. Let’s take that on. Let me tell you why. When you remind, you’re really in essence you’re trying to help your son or daughter. “Honey, remember you had to do this? Remember you had to do that.”
Dr. Leman: Well, there’s a track record there where your kids haven’t been mindful and that’s why you’re reminding them. I go back to the chart idea. And although I’m not huge on charts, I think if you have a school calendar, if you have a weekly calendar and that weekly calendar might be for every child in the family, it might be a wipe board where they put the days of the week up there or the month and they get to write in special things that they have to remember. I’d much rather have them be responsible for that than you.
Dr. Leman: Now, what happens if the child does forget to take their flute to school? What happens if the child does forget lunch money? Well, what happens is life follows. There’s a consequence to that. So the sooner he or she learns that their lack of memory, their lack of remembering has a direct effect upon their embarrassment that they suffer at school or they’re not being able to participate in something they wanted to or their belly being empty when everybody else seems full, the sooner that happens in life, the better. So resist the temptation to warn, to remind, to coax and to bribe. All of those are very unhelpful.
Andrea: So Dr. Leman, to give some hope to this parent, you said that eventually she’ll become daddy’s girl. How does that happen?
Dr. Leman: Well, it happens very naturally in most homes where mommy is the center piece of course, especially when mom has breastfed baby and all that, there’s that close, intimate bonding that goes on. But as a daughter grows older, there is a very special connection. If I could explain it sufficiently, I would. But it’s just something I’ve observed over the years. The daddies and daughters and mothers and sons have a unique experience and they’re drawn to each other. When parents are going the same place but are in different cars for different reasons, it’s not unusual for the daughter if there’s two kids to go with dad and the son to go with mom. And so it’s a progression. It’ll happen. It’s healthy. And my guess is before too long, daddy will be the center of daughter’s eye. She will seek and love his attention that he gives her.
Doug: I remember the first time you said that, it was mind blowing. And then your book about it came out about be the dad you’re daughter needs you to be, is that right?
Dr. Leman: Yeah. Be the Dad She Needs You to Be. Yeah.
Doug: How will that help dads if they get that book?
Dr. Leman: That’s a wonderful look to see… As men, we don’t do a good job of understanding women to begin with. We’re men. We see life differently, but there’s something about that feminine little daughter. I remember my son-in-law, Dennis, when his little Adeline was born, he was so cute. He wanted to go and buy her her first dress. I mean, she’s an infant. He went and bought her the cutest little dress. She’s 18 inches long, you know?
Dr. Leman: It’s just something magical that happens between a dad and a daughter. And daddies represent all of manhood to this young woman. And that’s why it’s important that a dad takes that job seriously. So that book, Be the Dad She Needs You to Be, it rocks. People love that book. Women love their husbands to read that book. It makes them say things like, “Oh, that is so sweet.”
Dr. Leman: And men are very, very capable of doing sweet things with their daughters. And I know myself as a dad, when that first little daughter came into our life, I mean, I think secretly I was hoping I’d have a boy. For what reason? I have no idea because I love having four daughters and one son. And those daughters have just been such a blessing in my life. And I see now as an adult and as a practicing psychologist the indelible imprint that I’ve left on all my daughters. And I know as adults many times they’ll stop and ask themself the question, “What would dad do in this situation?” And believe me, they got a great mom. They got a wonderful mom. I don’t know anybody who doesn’t love my wife Sandra. She’s got the loveliness of our own Andrea here.
Dr. Leman: But daddies and daughters are special. It happens. My guess is by age four, you’re going to see, Ashley, this little sweetheart of yours gravitating toward her daddy. “I want my daddy.” And you’re going to tell her something and she’s going to give you a look and say, “I want my daddy.” Sort of fun to watch it happen.
Doug: Well, I also think for you, Ashley-
Andrea: Making children Mind Without Losing Yours.
Doug: Yup. And Parenting Your Powerful Child would be a huge blessing to you as well as the book about Be the Dad She Needs You to Be. Again, these are just going to give you the confidence that you’re doing it right. So Ashley, you already read Birth Order book, so you know the impact of that. Highly, highly, highly recommend that you get those books. So again, you just have this internal confidence that you know what to do, what’s next, which is what helped Andrea and I so much, that when we were in confusion, every now and then, we would just like, “Okay, this is the Leman book thing right here.” We do this and it worked. And then you’re like, “Wow.”
Doug: Instead of making it up on your own and guessing what you should do, it really just gives you a way to do it.
Dr. Leman: Yeah. I’m so glad you brought that up, Doug, because part of her question was, “Hey, am I doing things right?” And yeah, you’re a good mom. I can tell by the call, the tone of your voice. You show your heart to us by your call. Yeah, you’re doing great. Okay? Can things be better? Obviously they can by getting dad involved. Is that going to create some turmoil in your heart and mind? It will, but it’ll be worth it. Okay? So you go ahead and do it. Enlist your hubby’s support and God bless you both. Let us hear from you.
Doug: Ashley, we’d love to hear how it turns out for you as well. And as always, you can go to birthorderguide.com and get more resources there, or you can leave your own question like Ashley did at podcastquestionbirthorderguide.com/podcastquestion. And we love being with you. As
Dr. Leman I think said at the beginning of this, feel free, you have all our permission to pass it on to others. If you know somebody who has this same situation that they’re dealing with and you want to bless them and help them out, it’s an incredible gift to others. So we look forward to the next time to add to your parenting toolbox so that you can love those kids more and more.
Andrea: Have a great week.
Doug: Take care.
Andrea: Bye-bye.
]]>Without a strong foundation, a house will be unstable. In today’s episode, Dr. Leman explains the correlation between a strong marriage and a stable household.
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Transcript
Doug: Man, marriage can be hard sometimes. Is it worth it? Does it really help my parenting? Is it worth it for me to spend more time with my spouse or with my kids? I don’t know.
Doug: Should I be doing this? That’s the question we get to ask Dr. Leman is, does my marriage, a healthy one really help me in my parenting? And what are the three specific ways it helps me? Hi, I’m Doug.
Andrea: And I’m Andrea.
Doug: Glad that you are with us today. This happens to be your first time, just want to let you know this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or your child, please go seek a local professional for help. Dr. Leman, you have been married, I think, right? You are married?
Dr. Leman: I’ve been married forever. I told you I only got married because I got sick of finishing my own sentences.
Doug: Oh, Andrea is looking at giving you stink eye. You’re in trouble.
Andrea: What was that last podcast? We did something about putting the ball in their court.
Dr. Leman: Oh, she’s too smart for us, Doug, what can I tell you?
Doug: Here’s the question. What are the three ways that really being in love with your spouse helps you in parenting? How does that trickle down to making parenting easier, and are there three ways you could identify that it helps us?
Dr. Leman: Well, if you have a firm foundation, whatever is built on that foundation has a better chance of surviving. I love to tell a story of building the house, and 5:00 in the morning they had builders out there and it’s just getting light.
Dr. Leman: And stupid me, I say to the builder, “Why are you here so early?” And he’s said, “Guy, I never see you.” He says, “Well, today is that they were pouring the foundation.” And dumb me I go, “Well, dude, what’s the big deal?” He said, “Kevin, if the foundation isn’t right, your whole home is off.”.
Dr. Leman: I’ve never forgot those prophetic words because the foundation for your family is the two of you being rock solid, cemented together with a mortar of love and admiration, and respect for one another. And if that foundation is there and you truly do love each other, and you prioritize in your marriage, you will form an impervious wall where the kids cannot penetrate that and divide you in any way, shape or form.
Dr. Leman: And some people are thinking, “Wait a minute, kids are going to divide you?” Yes, they do. They’re hedonistic kids. When you show that you have a lot of respect and you spend a lot of time with each other, and you prioritize and you’re going out for your date night, there are some kids who go, “Wait, you’re going out? What about us?” They’re hedonistic.
Dr. Leman: You have to set the paradigm early in the marriage that the couple matters. You be a better parent because you do talk with each other. You don’t let things build up. You have good communication, and so the kids read that, they learn from that.
Dr. Leman: When a kid comes and asks for something and all of a sudden he’s in a hurry, he needs this and that because it’s tomorrow. And you say to a son or daughter, “Honey, wait a minute, how long have you known this?” “Well, I’ve known this for a month.”.
Dr. Leman: “Now you’re coming to me the night before and you want this, that and the other thing. I mean, that’s not the way life works, and it certainly isn’t the way things work in this family. I don’t know how you’re going to solve that problem, but I wish you the best at it.”.
Dr. Leman: Now, what have you just told your nine year old? Don’t come in here expecting emergency aid and help when you haven’t done your work. That’s not how this family operates.
Dr. Leman: What I’m saying is that kids catch the drift from you parents is how you do life. It’s a teachable moment. That’s the last time a nine year old hopefully is going to come ill prepared the last minute with a list of demands for you as parents.
Dr. Leman: As I call it, the good ship family on the ocean of life, you have to pick to yourselves, both of you at the wheel of that ship, the good ship family. And again, the question I always like to ask is, do you have a destination? Do have a port of call? Do you know where you’re going? And if you do, the hands on deck will follow suit.
Dr. Leman: People want to pursue and follow a leader. And I’m just saying if you’re a leader, and being together and one on marriage not only helps you obviously spiritually, but emotionally and practically as you deal with your children.
Doug: I like that you said there’s fallout from a strong marriage in a good way. Are there some practical benefits to parenting that if you are shoulder to shoulder, as you say, both hands on the steering wheel, that make parenting better with a strong marriage?
Dr. Leman: Yes, kids will try to please you even more when you give them vitamin E, which is encouragement. “Hey honey, you know I came home and I see that you picked up the front yard. You know what? That was so thoughtful of you. I think those are the neighbors papers, but I noticed you picked him up. That is so helpful. Thank you honey.”
Dr. Leman: Again, keep in mind that kids want to please you. When you see things that the kids do and you just make a general comment of thanks, you’re giving that kid vitamin E. You’re telling them, “Hey mom and dad noticed.” You don’t say, “Well, somebody else is going to pick it up. You picked it up.”
Dr. Leman: You’re building it. Those of you who want to be esteem builders in your kid’s life, while there’s a big break right there. Everything you do Doug, that’s in a positive way, feeds more positivity. Anything you’d do negatively, feeds what? More negative stuff.
Doug: In this super busy world that we have, I just got be honest and say, I don’t think I have enough time to do work. Keep the home together, work on my marriage and take care of my kids. There’s one too many things in there, and marriage is the easiest one to drop because someday me and the missus will be stuck together. Why would I prioritize it now when I know my kids are leaving?
Dr. Leman: Well, that was quite a whining you did there. We don’t have time. Let me get this straight. You don’t have time to do all your work. You don’t have time to work on your marriage. I’m sure you can handle it, Doug.
Doug: Oh, but dad, it’s too hard.
Dr. Leman: Listen, I might’ve shared this before, but it needs repeating. When I was a young dean of students at 29 years old, I went in and talked to the head dean, the big guy. And essentially, I was just whining about all the problems I had, because I was the administrator of the code of conduct at a university of 35,000 students.
Dr. Leman: You can imagine I was a busy guy. And I came into my boss’s office and I was again sort of whining about all these problems I have. And the dean patiently listened to me and then he turned and he said, “Well, Kevin, it seems to me and I could be wrong, if you didn’t have all those problems, I really wouldn’t have much need to have you here in the office.” I went and gulped and left with my tail between my legs because he was right.
Dr. Leman: He wouldn’t have any use for me If I didn’t have those problems, that’s what my job was. And what did he say so nicely? He said, “Suck it up Leman, and go do what I ask you to do.”.
Dr. Leman: The whining that we do as adults and children, I always say if your kids are whining you need a wine cellar, that’s my famous one-liner. But kids only continue to wine because you listen to them. In their mind it pays off because you’re listening.
Dr. Leman: As rude as it sounds when you say to a kid, “Honey talk to the hand, I know where this has gone. You need to figure that out yourself.”
Dr. Leman: Yes, it sounds brutally, maybe too much, but kids are working and you’ve got to draw that line to the kids don’t continue to verbally paw at you, like a baby cub toward their mother.
Doug: Well. The E-book special that we have this week is, The Intimate Connections, August 13th through 18th of 2019. Intimate Connections, August 13th and 18th, and it’s only $1.99. And the reason I’m bringing this topic up now is because this E-book is ideal. If you’re married. Dr Leman, what is this book about?
Dr. Leman: All right, well, listen to what I’m about to tell you. I’ve written 63 or 64 books now. I believe that’s the best marriage book I’ve ever written. If you’re having a trouble figuring out each other, and your marriage isn’t where it ought to be… by the way, The Intimate Connection is the goal.
Dr. Leman: You want to move to a place where you have that intimate connection, where you don’t miss a step and you can tell your mate anything and your feelings are tenderly guarded and cared for and cultivated. You’re listened to.
Dr. Leman: But this is a comprehensive book. It just came out in 19 here and you will love this book. This is a book, if you’re a grandparent and you have grandchildren who are married, get them this book. Find out a way to do that. Slip him two bucks and say, “Hey, download this on your appliance.”
Dr. Leman: I can’t give you a rave enough review about The Intimate Connection. I knew right away the first TV show I did nationally was a show on the Hallmark Channel, called Home & Family.
Dr. Leman: When a book comes out, it’s like number 350,000 on the best seller list. One show, where I was on for eight minutes talking about that, and the book went to number eight in Marriage on Amazon.
Dr. Leman: I know what resonates with both men and women. Guys, you’re not as likely to pick up a book on marriage as your bride. But I guarantee you if you read this book and this is a guarantee, your sex life will go crazy. You will know how to handle that woman. She’ll be all over you. If that’s not motivation for you to stop, right now and download that sucker, I can’t help you. You’re a loser of the year if you don’t do that. I’ve said my piece, that’s it doc, it’s a good one.
Doug: You only get seven days, August 13th through 19th for $1.99 on E-book. I thought it was a brilliant idea, Andrea. We have some nephews and nieces that have recently gotten married as well. That this would be a great thing to send to them, as well. Sorry, I don’t need to be telling people what we’re going to be doing as a family. For only a buck, 99.
Dr. Leman: The best thing to do with that book by the way, Doug, is to buy two copies and it’s in a trade paper. It’s not that expensive. Buy two copies and highlight the book with different colored markers, and then exchange books.
Dr. Leman: You give your wife what you’ve highlighted. She gives you what she’s highlighted, and use that as a springboard for discussion in your marriage. Again, that’s the best way. The cheap way, and right now it’s available to you for only a buck 99, there’s no excuse not to download that, puppy.
Doug: Get it. It will help your marriage. It will help all the other areas of your life. And now, no nonsense parenting advice from Dr. Kevin Leman.
Dr. Leman: As you can imagine, I get all kinds of questions from people. I answered a question yesterday from West Africa. I get them from every foreign country. And of course, the funny thing is because so many of my books are in foreign languages, they write me emails in their foreign language and think that I can understand the Czech language or whatever they might be writing in.
Dr. Leman: But so many times I get emails, letters, calls from people who are concerned about their kid doing well in school. And many times I’ll find out as I delve into this kid’s life, that your child does not do well in life than school, is not getting good grades, but guess what? He’s a voracious reader.
Dr. Leman: Wow, whenever I say that, I find a direct, clear way of saying, “Hey parent, you need to stop worrying about your kid’s education. Because if your son or daughter is a voracious reader, they’re going to get an education and they’re going to do well in school.”
Dr. Leman: Chances are if they’re not getting good grades, for example, there’s other issues going on that are creating that situation. Some of them might be behavioral, but some of them might be also situational in terms of the classroom, the teacher, the subject, et cetera.
Dr. Leman: I want to go back to reading. From the time a kid is young, read to them. Get them cloth books, get them fun, bright colored books. If they’re musical all the better. Any kind of entertainment that’s associated with reading should really be encouraged. And teaching kids to read should be a very natural thing.
Dr. Leman: They can pick out letters. I remember one of the funniest things that happened in private practice, was a mother reported that a little guy who was a ardent fan of Sesame Street, came running in. He was toilet trained. He was over two and a half years of age, and he comes in and says, “Mommy, mommy, I poop to see. I poop to see.”.
Dr. Leman: I still laugh thinking about that little kid running into mommy and saying, “Mommy, I poop to see.” Which Sesame Street and other programs teach kids the value of reading and letters. And if reading can come naturally, and if you just keep the printed word around kids in a fun way, many of them are going to catch on and they’re going to read early.
Dr. Leman: Now, you want to just be as helpful as you can. You want to visit libraries on a regular basis. You want to read to that child as much as possible. And more importantly, let that child start reading to you. And by the way, if that child start reading to you, don’t be so quick to correct everything. Okay?
Dr. Leman: Many times when kids are trying to read, we interrupt way too much. Let them figure it out, let them sound it out. But the point of this little spot today is to encourage your kid to read, because that is the building block for all of education moving forward.
Doug: Dr. Leman, what are the piece of it… well, I’ll just let you say. You just bring home Buford, from the hospital view. Buford’s only been there a couple of weeks, and you would give what advice to a married couple after Buford’s been home for just a very short while.
Dr. Leman: Well, to set a precedent for yourselves, your two week old baby is not going to notice that mom and dad are out for the evening. But that’s what I would suggest. You just begin to set a time, maybe it’s a day of the week, that’s your night to go out. If you’ve been around young children all day, trust me, you need a break, anyway.
Dr. Leman: But you should find a qualified babysitter and you go out and you enjoy the evening, simple as that. My other advice for anybody who’s got a newborn is make a lot of noise in your home. Don’t tippy-toe around anything.
Dr. Leman: And when you need to go someplace, just pack up that little guy or a little girl and go. Be active with them, take them where you go. But you’ll also need time for yourself, so you set that paradigm, that model early in your marriage.
Dr. Leman: And it’s easy to get away from because, when Doug was whining a while back about how life was unfair to him, we can let all these things get in the way. Job and responsibilities and financial this, and volunteering for this and that.
Dr. Leman: Again, I’m not big on activities. Parents life’s busy enough without you volunteering for everything under the sun. And don’t have your kids on too many activities where I’m on the soapbox, let me close with that statement.
Doug: It’s in the end, I hear everything you’re saying, it’s worth it to invest in your marriage. I can think of times in our marriage. I know Andrea, people can be shocked that we’ve had real issues and stress and you almost can’t even think about other things, because it’s just so nerve-grading on you.
Doug: And when our marriage has been great, it’s amazing how much more harmony there is around the house and how it does affect the kids. I thought what Dr. Leman said about, if your kids are watching and if what they’re getting from us being married, well, it just permeates that peace throughout the house. Yes, it is true.
Andrea: There’s a good fall out, he said.
Doug: There’s good fall out.
Dr. Leman: Well, let’s face the fact. Andrea is such a blessed woman to have you.
Andrea: Amen.
Doug: Oh, Dr. Leman, you’re just trying to make up for being mean to me.
Dr. Leman: Yes, it’s sort of a payback for stating you’ve been whining like a four year old?
Doug: I know what you do. You’ve done this long enough. I’m still bitter.
Dr. Leman: I’m just trying to help you out, buddy.
Doug: Yes, yes, right. Well, get the book, read it and then email us and email Dr. Leman say, “Doc, it did help us in every way possible. Thank you so much for doing it.”.
Doug: We’ve seen too many families that just fallout from divorce. It’s just so ugly and you don’t want it. For 20 bucks or now for a buck 99, you will not, not not regret the investment.
Doug: Well, it was great to be with you and head to your parenting toolbox, so that you can love those kids more and more. And we look forward to the next time that we get to be together with you.
Andrea: Have a good week.
Doug: Take care. Bye-bye.
]]>It’s time for another Ask Dr. Leman: “What do you do when your grown children still blame you for their issues?” In this episode, Dr. Leman provides a no-nonsense solution for parents struggling with their adult kids.
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Andrea: Who do you blame for your problems in life and who blames you for the problems they have in life? This episode we’re going to hear from a grandmother or a mother whose daughter blames her for all of her problems in life.
Doug: Hi, I’m Doug Terpening.
Andrea: And I’m Andrea.
Doug: And we are so glad that you are with us today. If this happens to be your first time with us, we’re going to let you know this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If this subject matter raises any concerns for you or your child, please go seek a local professional for help. Well, we are so glad to be doing this podcast with you. Quick reminder that you can always go to birthorderguy.com, birthorderguy.com to get more resources, and as well you can leave your question there by going to Podcast Questions. Birthorderguy.com/podcastquestions. Well, I say we jump into today’s questions. Here we go.
Speaker 3: What do you do when you’re grown up daughter once in a while to spur heat up the past when she was a child and blaming you?
Dr. Leman: So the question is, this is from grandma?
Speaker 3: Or a grown mother? Yes.
Dr. Leman: Talking about her grown daughter. Her grown daughter is blaming her mom for all of her problems?
Doug: Correct.
Dr. Leman: Okay. Well, this has been around since time began. It was you, Lord, that gave me that woman. You didn’t think that was even funny, did you? Let’s go back to Adam and Eve. It was you, God, that gave me that woman. It’s her fault. This has literally been around forever and it’s a scapegoat. It’s a psychological defense mechanism. It’s not my fault. It’s your fault. Life’s been unfair to me. I would bet you a nickel and a few pesos that that woman that’s complaining about her mother is always asking her mother for help in some way, shape or form, either financially or otherwise. Of course, if you don’t like yourself, you need to find a way of deferring that to someone else.
Dr. Leman: You have to lay blame on it, like it didn’t have anything to do with the fact that she, now these are just guesses in the dark because I don’t know, chose not to go to school onto post high school, that she was the one that decided to take off extra time from work and ended up getting fired. What you see is a trail of non-responsible behavior from day one, and so rather than face myself and look myself in the mirror and say, “You know what? This is on me,” as the old song says, you strike out, you only hurt the ones you what? Love. So who’s ever convenient. In this case grandma is probably too convenient to daughter. My suggestion would be the next time she throws a barb at you, just say simply, “Honey, I’m sorry you feel that badly about yourself.
Dr. Leman: My prayer for you someday is that you’ll look honestly at yourself and take responsibility for the things you say and do and won’t have the need to blame others, including me, for your inaction and your failure. Failure isn’t fatal in life, honey, but realize that you failed and then not doing anything to try to get yourself into a positive track is quite frankly just a shame because quite frankly, I believe you could do better. But if you want to continue to play this dog and pony show where I am the source of your problems, you go right ahead. You just have to understand that I’m not buying it.” So that’s the conversation it has to take place.
Andrea: That’s kind of scary for that mom to say that. I would be afraid that that daughter’s going to pull away or you know.
Dr. Leman: I hope so.
Andrea: Yeah. It sounds like you said she’s probably …
Doug: Why do you hope she’ll pull away?
Dr. Leman: Because they’re too close. Grandma is probably way, way, way too involved in daughter’s life. Okay? So I’m guessing that daughter is asking mom, “Hey mom, what do you think about this? What do you think about that?” And Mom tried to help gives her 3 cents worth. Daughter does partly what Grandma suggests. It doesn’t work and then now whose fault it is? It’s Grandma’s fault. So what I’m saying is the quicker they separate, the better.
Dr. Leman: Next time she’d get asked a question from her daughter, say, “Honey, I don’t have the foggiest idea what to tell you. That’s completely up to you. I’m sure you’ll make the right decision,” and then psychologically turn her back and walk away. I mean, this doesn’t work without Grandma doing some changing of her own. She has to see, just like fighting is a act of cooperation, this nonsense that’s going on between her and her grown daughter continues to go because she plays a role in that. So all of a sudden Grandma, just become dumb and stupid. You don’t know a thing. Whatever she sends your way. Then when she asked for help, especially financial, which I bet you a nickel she’s doing, I would just say, “Honey, I’m unable to help you right now for a lot of different reasons. Let it go.”
Doug: So playing the victim and what did you use, scapegoat or a psychological defense? This is commonplace now in our culture. How as parents do we not let our kids gain this stance or this opinion?
Andrea: Starting with the young kids?
Doug: Young kids, younger kids. Thank you.
Dr. Leman: The general principle is don’t do for kids what they can do for themselves. Now, if you take that too, literally, I mean, if a kid says, “Mommy, what’d you get me a glass of milk,” am I saying don’t get the kid a glass milk? No, I’m not saying that at all. What I’m saying is the kids will work you and you have to have a built in antennae that says, wait a minute, this is a little too much. They can do this work. I sat down with my granddaughter once and my wife assigned me, “Hey you, help Adeline with her homework.” So I sat down and I looked at the homework and I said, “Okay, what are we doing here Adeline?” “We’re doing these six questions.” Okay. It took me a minute to figure out what’s going on. Adeline wanted me to figure out her six problems for her, and I said, “Honey, I don’t know.
Dr. Leman: This is your homework. This isn’t Grandpa’s homework. This is something you have to do.” “Yeah, but I don’t understand it.” “Well, I mean, I don’t know how I can help you understand it. You can read it once you read it out loud, see how it goes.” I said stuff like that, but just keep the ball on her side of the court. Kids will work you. You just have to understand that. It’s human nature for a lot of kids, particularly later borns or overly-dependent firstborns to use the ones that they’re supposed to be loving. People aren’t for using. They’re for loving. So you draw those lines early. You have expectations. Your yes is yes. Your no is no. you’re in authority without being an authoritarian. You’re not being a pushover and it’s that balanced life that you present before your children that gives them a solid foundation to grow from. That’s the important thing.
Doug: So as the resident mother here, that’s you, that’s takes some psychological hoof dah by you to be able to say to your child, “But Andrea, it’s just so hard. I can’t do this. please help me. right?
Andrea: Yeah.
Doug: You’re just going to say
Andrea: I’m sure you can figure it out, honey.
Doug: Can you say that for real?
Andrea: I have but probably only 10 out of 100 times have I chosen to say, “I’m sure you can figure this out yourself.”
Dr. Leman: Whoever was whelping there … Who was that that was whelping there? They ought to put him out in the backyard or something. Who was that? Was that you Dougie?
Andrea: That was Dougie.
Doug: I might have talked like that to Andrea too. Andrea, help me. I can’t do it by myself.
Andrea: Don’t make me go by myself.
Dr. Leman: Oh my goodness. What am outside and locked the door.
Doug: Oh, don’t. Don’t Dr Lehman. Hey, you’re messing with my life now.
Dr. Leman: Don’t give her ideas
Doug: Don’t give her ideas, buddy. Well look, Ed, it’s the end of the podcast. Goodbye. No. So Andrea, what would it take as a mom to be able to have the confidence that this is actually going to bless that child, not irreparably destroy your relationship?
Andrea: I think it’s, I don’t know if I’m going to answer your question directly, but if I had heard this when I had little toddlers and learn to do this from the start, there’s so much hope in that thinking, okay, when I have adolescents, when I have young adult children, that they’re not going to be blaming me. They’re not going to come whining to me for an answer. They’re not going to be dependent on me. They’re going to be able to make their own choices. I don’t know if that’s exactly answering your question, but in the moment, probably if I’m exhausted and I’m tired of that whining, I actually think it’s motivating.
Doug: So what about now? Now hypothetically you have teenagers that are kind of doing this to you. What would it take for you to be able to let them do what only they can do, what they can do for themselves?
Andrea: Just knowing that it’ll help them grow up. Yeah. That they can make a decision for themselves.
Doug: Awesome.
Dr. Leman: Yeah, that’s a two-way street, you know. As you know, moms get a lot of pleasure from feeling what? Needed. So a lot of moms get paid off by doing just the opposite of what their kids really need. They tell themselves they’re doing it out of love. Actually, they’re doing it out of selfishness.
Andrea: Why selfishness?
Dr. Leman: Because you’re not letting the kid do what he ought to be doing for himself. You’re hogging it all. You’re doing it all. Remember we talked about warnings or disrespectful acts. Well, why are warnings disrespectful acts. Leman? Because you’re actually saying, I think you’re so stupid I got to tell you three times. That’s why you’ll see a theme and all the Leman books, if you’re communicating with a kid, you tell them once you turn your back, so to speak and walk away.
Dr. Leman: Then when they don’t do what you’ve asked them to do or whatever, there’s a consequence but it’s tied directly to this statement. Let the reality of the situation become the teacher to the child. So when a child doesn’t do something you’ve asked them to do and you do hire a sibling to clean his room or do his work for them, but pay for it out of his allowance, you have built in accountability. The kid figures out early in life, you know what? I better suck it up and do my fair share. I’m the loser here. Kids will figure it out. Just be a good parent. Be a responsible parent. Work at holding your kids accountable for the things they say and do in life and you’re going to be fine.
Doug: So this kind of rolls into today’s Ebook special. Today’s Ebook special is When Your Kid Is Hurting. August 6th through 12th of 2019 for $1.99 in Ebook form. Dr Lehman, what is this book about?
Dr. Leman: Well, this was probably one of the more difficult books I ever had to do. It was one they asked me to do. It wasn’t one that I said, “I have a burning desire to do this book”, but so many of the parents are dealing with, hey, you know, my kid’s hurting and I don’t know what to do about it. Can you write a book on that subject? So I agreed to do that. When you think of what you would say to a kid when they’re hurting, you’ll issue all kinds of statements like, “Oh honey, I’m sure it will be okay.” Really, how do you know what’s going to be okay? “Hey, don’t worry about it.” Really. Does that take worry away, just say don’t worry about it? You know, again, you’re not the one that’s being called names at school, pizza face or four eyes or you name it.
Dr. Leman: Kids are mean, nasty, snarky today, and so the book is designed to try to help you get behind the eyes of your son or daughter in such a way as that you are able to listen to them without judgment, and that’s difficult to do. That’s why that book at a buck 99, oh my goodness, I would download that puppy and tell your friends about it as well. You can’t miss on that book. That’s a book by the way that you read and you put it on the shelf and you pull it out at those times when you are facing a crisis or your son or daughter’s facing a crisis and you sort of review it. It’s sorta hard to keep some of this stuff in your head. So anyway, $1.99, When Your Kid Is Hurting, if I remember right, that’s a $20 book, so wow, that’s a bargain.
Doug: Go get it now. August 6th through 12th of 2019 for only $1.99 wherever you get your Ebooks. Now, our segment of a no nonsense parenting advice with Dr Kevin Leman.
Dr. Leman: Parents love the old a timeout. They love you’re grounded and they love taking away privileges. Well, I won’t go into the feared of time out and I’ll tell you this about grounding, if you’re going to ground a kid, ground them. Ground from everything. He goes no place for two days. Give them a 48 hour grounding. What do you mean? He goes no place? He goes, no place. He stays in the home without privileges. It’s a school day, Lehman. He doesn’t go to school either. He makes it up. It’s Sunday. He doesn’t go to church either. He stays home if you’re going to do that. If you’re going to do grounding, do a 48 hour ground. They won’t like it, trust me. You may not like it either, but that’s a whole nother question, but taking away privileges, I want to talk to you about taking away privileges.
Dr. Leman: It is a privilege to live in a home, to live in a country as ours where we still have some freedoms left seems like, but taking away privileges many times is done in anger. Whenever you do things in anger that’s not good. The problem is it builds a mindset in a child, depending upon how you do it, okay, if you have the right to put me down, then I have the right to put you down and you get in that proverbial power struggle. Rather than take privileges away. and again, kids always want to do things. They always want to be driven to the mall. They always want money, they want to go to a movie, they want to go down to GameStop and hang out with their buddies, whatever that is, you can take away the privilege without getting into the dog and pony show of all right, no more privileges.
Dr. Leman: This gets back to how do you handle things? Your son says to you, “Mom, would you run me down the mall? We’re gonna meet a bunch of guys down there at the video place. We’re going to shoot some video games today.” “No, honey, I, I really don’t feel like driving you today,” and walk away. He’ll come after you, okay? “Mom, what do you mean? Everybody’s going to be there. I need to leave right now.” “Honey, I just told you. Mom is not very happy today. I don’t feel like driving anywhere.” Now, what have you done? You’ve taken away the privilege. You haven’t said, “Hey, I’m not driving you anywhere, young man,” but you put in action a plan, a plan that says things are not well in River City, and what I want that young son to understand at age 14 or whatever, that his mouth, his actions has a direct result on the privileges.
Dr. Leman: There’s that word that he has in his home. The privileges of being driven by a mom who’s kind enough to drive six miles one way so you could have some fun. Do you see what I’m saying? So it gets back rather than just be rule-dominated, be relationship-dominated where hey, you’re saying the message relationship between you and me is a strained right now. So what has to happen for that relationship to get back on top? It might take at least the next day, because I’ve said many times that kid might be very perceptive and figure out that his mouthiness in the morning just earned him the non-trip to the mall to see his buddies and he might cuddle up to mom and say, “Oh mom, I’m sorry about what I said,” because right then and there he thinks I’m at the mall.
Dr. Leman: I said, I’m sorry, mom’s going to forgive me. I’m at the mall. No parents, always give it a day. When a kid does something, he apologizes, you accept that apology, you move on, but he gets vitamin N for the rest of the day. No matter what he wants to do, it’s, “N honey. I really don’t feel like doing that right now. I’m having a bad day.” Say whatever you want to say, but he’ll be able to connect the dots. Let him see that his behavior influences your behavior and you want to work toward getting that on a healthy line and not an unhealthy one.
Doug: So Dr Leman, one final question. We have hypothetically fostered this when they were younger and now they’re teenagers. What is the right response without creating more crisis when our kids turn and say, “But dad, but mom, you blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.” How do we deal with it then as teenagers?
Dr. Leman: I think you’d tell the kids, “Honey, listen, I know you’re frustrated. I can see it in your face, and I know this is a huge thing, and like most huge things that face you …” Now notice I’m not minimizing whatever the kid’s saying, “You’re going to have to gather your wits about you, figure out what’s the best way of handling this. And if it’ll help, I have the full confidence in you that you’re going to pull this off and you’re going to do the right thing. I wish him nothing but the best checking on me. Let me know how you’re doing from time to time. I’d love to know.” So you’re taking the proverbial tennis ball that I love to talk about and you’re putting it back on that teenager’s court, but you’re also expressing belief in them, confidence in them, and you’re telling them, quite frankly, hey, I’m not solving this. This is something you need to solve.
Doug: for the skeptical parent that hears you say that, if you treat your child that way, what will your child gain by that kind of response?
Dr. Leman: Well, they’ll develop a growth spurt. We talk about growth spirts as kids hit the adolescent years, but this is a psychological growth spurt. It’s a maturity growth spurt. It’s a time where kids start telling themselves, you know, maybe I am a little bit more capable than I’m giving myself credit for did. They’re coming to you out of weakness and you need to inject some strength in them and the belief in your child that they can handle it is a great medicine for your teenage son or daughter.
Doug: Awesome. Well, I hope that helps grandma out there and I hope it helps moms and Andrew, I appreciate you bringing that in about even as a toddler, if they were little and I started this way back when, it would be easier now when they’re adolescents and I haven’t trained him to be that way. Not that we have any personal experience, both of us with this now, ha ha, but this was great advice.
Doug: Again, we love doing this with you. Again, you can go to birthorderguide.com, get resources there. If you go /podcastquestions you can leave a question. If anything ever piques your interest, you’re like, I think I should pass this on, feel free to pass this on on Facebook, on Instagram or wherever you want to go, and you only got a couple of days to get When Your Kid Is Hurting, which nowadays is a beautiful resource with all that children are having to deal with. Well, it was great to be with you and Ed, your parenting toolbox and we look forward to the next thing we get to be with you.
Andrea: Have a great week.
Doug: Bye, bye.
]]>Wives, do you want to know what makes your husbands tick? Does it feel like rocket science when it comes to improving your marriage together? In today’s episode, Dr. Leman gives a simple synopsis of how husbands think and offers suggestions on how wives should respond to their behavior.
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Andrea: It seems like every time I turn around, I’m talking to a mom who is actually heartbroken because she and her husband don’t have a good relationship, and she doesn’t know where to go from there. If that’s you, you’ll be interested in this podcast and the title to Dr. Lehman’s book, Have a New Husband by Friday, is rather intriguing, so we get to hear from him today about that book.
Doug: Hi, I’m Doug Terpening.
Andrea: And I’m Andrea.
Doug: And I don’t want to hear this podcast about parenting, your Have a New Husband by Friday. But anyway, we are so glad that the rest of you are here to hear what Dr Leman has to say about-
Andrea: I want to hear what he has to say.
Doug: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, if this is your first time here, we want to let you know that this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or your child, please go seek a local professional for help. So Dr. Leman, I have to ask, did
Andrea put this topic in here? Is that why we’re having this one? Did she suddenly call you and say, “This is what we need to talk about doc”?
Dr. Leman: No, no, she didn’t. You got a good one.
Andrea: Rest assured.
Doug: So Dr. Leman, what is this, have a new husband by Friday? Like, what the heck is that all about?
Dr. Leman: Well, I have to … This is confession time. You know, as authors, your books are your kids, and you like your kids, hopefully, love your kids. I like my books. I love some of my books, confession time, more than some others. Okay. The genesis of that, just to give you the inside scoop is sometimes publishers come up with these ideas. Oh Dr. Leman, we want you to write a book about this. Like the village idiot, I go ahead and do it. Well, there’s a difference in doing a book like that and doing a book that I really want to do that I’m passionate about. Okay?
Dr. Leman: So I’m speaking out of school here. You’re getting the inside skinny. But what I think of favorite books of mine, it’d be a horse race, a nose to nose at the wire, so to speak, but Have A New Husband By Friday, was one of the most fun books to do. I enjoyed doing it so much and it got a tremendous response from people. By the way, if you want to get your husband’s attention, ladies, just pick up a copy of Have a New Husband by Friday, and leave it somewhere in the house. Trust me, you’ll get his attention. But the book itself is really a teaching tool for women to understand who this man is she married.
Dr. Leman: I’d like all of you women to think that you’re about to board an airplane and the door to the cockpit is open and you’re a curious soul and you sneak a peek inside and you see all those switches and buttons, and you hear these two people are sitting there and you’re trusting that these men and women are going to know which buttons to push and somehow this huge, big, very heavy aircraft is going to go launch into thin air and get you to grandma’s house on time. I want you to remember what that cockpit looked like, all those switches and buttons.
Dr. Leman: They represent you. You, as a woman. You’re complicated, you got a lot of different switches. You’re not simple. Now, I want you to return home, go to your front door and look at your doorbell. Okay, you’re looking at your doorbell, You got it in your mind, that’s your husband. He is so simple. We are not mysteries. And by the way, are all men the same? No, they’re not all the same. I’m not saying that. I’m just saying on a whole, on the average, this is how most men are. We’re very simple.
Dr. Leman: If you want to reach into your man’s heart and you want oneness in your marriage, and Andrea was just alluding to so many people that she runs into daily are just struggling in their marriage, or they’re headed toward divorce for good reason. Women are the relational gurus of our society. They thrive on relationships. I always say they hug anything that moves. They go potty and groups of eight, 10 and 12, it’s a social event, anyone want to go potty? And there they go, like a [inaudible] quail. Men Aren’t like that. Men specialize in arms-length relationships.
Dr. Leman: Two men meet. We might ask the question, what do you do for a living? What do you do for a living? What do you do for a living? We talk for a few minutes and we’re done. We have no need to dig deeper into the psyche of mankind to figure out who this guy is. Most of your husbands don’t have friends, they have associates. They have their fishing associates, their bowling associates, their hunting associates, whatever their thing is. And so we live in an island in many ways. The mistake that many women make is that they view their husband like their girlfriend. Well, number one, we’re not your girlfriend, we’re your husband, we’re different.
Dr. Leman: You have to get behind the husband’s eyes and see how he sees life and they have to understand his needs, which are clearly I need to feel needed, wanted, and respected. Okay? You want to say fulfilled? I’ll throw that one in as a bonus. Very different from you women, whose needs tend to be affection oriented, communication, commitment to the family. So for you to be successfully a married woman, you got to understand this guy. You got to understand that when you say something nice about him in front of other people, his chest swells up and you’ve given him the all time attaboy. You’ve made him have more reason to try to please you than you can imagine.
Dr. Leman: Just like I’ve said it many times, the kids want to please us as parents. I’m convinced that men want to please their women. So, is that as a prologue to our discussion, we will now talk to the Terpening’s. One of them is a male, that would be Doug, and the other represents the female gender very well.
Doug: So Dr. Leman, you can say that men want to please their wives, and they want all this. What would you say, as this is the common mistake I see that women make towards their husbands.
Dr. Leman: They put a skirt on them. They treat them as a girlfriend, you know?
Doug: But what does that mean? and what does it look like?
Dr. Leman: Well, she’ll get offended when he doesn’t want to go shopping with her. She’ll turn it into, “You don’t care about me, you don’t love me.” I tell a story in one of my books, I took my wife to New York. I was doing Fox and Friends, and there’s a Nine West shoe store there, right on Sixth Avenue. My wife loves shoes. I said, “Honey, there’s a Nine West shoe store. Do you want to go over to it?” You should have seen her light up. “Shoe store? Yeah well, I could run in there for a little bit.” That’s a lie. Let me point that out to you.
Dr. Leman: I knew it was a lie when she said it, by the way. Nevertheless, we went to Nine West. She was in there two hours. I was in there for a while, walked out, checked out some stores that were nearby, came back, had a seat, didn’t say a word. Two hours later she came out. No shoes. Then she had an epiphany that she had to go to another shoe store, which was conveniently located just 35 minutes away in a cab, so we went down there. I know who she is. She’s very different than me and she understands that that was a labor of love on my part to take her there. I’m not interested in shoes, but I’m interested in her.
Dr. Leman: So, for the woman who has a husband who loves to fish for example, and she has no interest in fishing, maybe sometimes she should just say, “Honey, I’d love to go fishing with you some time.” He might say, “So [inaudible] go fishing? You really? I mean, you never.” “Well, no I just want to be with you.” I mean, I think it has to come across to this man that this woman really cares about him. I think women in general treat that relationship too casually, and certainly men do. Men have taken women for granted for years.
Dr. Leman: I’m not pointing fingers at women. I’m just saying the reality is you’ve got to understand he’s a man and he’s going to do things in a man like way.
Doug: So, in talking to some of these ladies, I’ll overhear the conversation with Andrea, and all I can hear is how he has done all these things wrong. Right? “He doesn’t do this, he doesn’t do this, he doesn’t do this.” Quite frankly, some of them are kind of justified, like he is kind of a jerk. How will reading, Have a New Husband by Friday, help us get out of that rut, or even have hope with that mindset?
Dr. Leman: Well, you’ll understand by reading the book how much your words mean to him. You women are wordsmiths to begin with, so this ought to be easy for you, but when was the last time you said something really nice about your husband? When was the last time you said to him, “Honey, I value you so much for what you do for our family. You come home smelly every day, because you work hard.” He works in the trades for example, “And I’m just so pleased that you’re willing to work so hard to provide a nice place, and good food, and a happy home. I’m just so lucky to have you.”
Dr. Leman: How many men get that message from their wife? I don’t think very many. A man’s love language, so to speak, now I’m getting on my friend Gary Chapman’s side of the boat. Many of us, our work that we do is our way of saying, “Hey, what do you think I’m going out there beating my head against the wall every day for? I’m doing this for you and the kids. Okay?”
Dr. Leman: Again, he might just be a working guy, works hard and so be it. That man needs to feel honored in his home. Well, how do you honor a husband? How does he feel needed and wanted? When was the last time you sent an email to your husband at work that said, “Great news, the kids are gone. Why don’t you hurry home early? I’ve got some great ideas for you and me big boy.” When is the last time you did that?
Dr. Leman: What effort do you put in as a woman to scratch where a man itches? He needs to feel needed, wanted, respected. What you want from him is conversation. You want words, you want dialogue. Well, I got news for you. Most men are not great communicators. Most men are not very affectionate. So who’s the teacher to your husband? You are.
Doug: You know Dr. Leman, it is surprising what you just said, that you said that if you tell your husband, “We really appreciate how hard you work for the family,” Andrea had said those exact words to me yesterday, and I felt like 1 million bucks, and you know, Andrea is nearly the perfect wife, except for one or two things which I can point out, but it is so true the things we do. What about for that wife who feels like, exactly what you just said? “He isn’t affectionate. He doesn’t connect with me. I get nothing from him. He’s a cold fish.”
Andrea: What if he doesn’t respect me and he’s just really selfish?
Doug: What hope does she have?
Dr. Leman: Well, I would say this to that woman. “Do you understand that he really doesn’t like your questions? Every day when he comes home, you ask him the same question, ‘How was your work today, honey?’ He hates that question. Do you ever get a full answer from him? Then why do you continue to ask the question?” We men hate your questions. If you want your husband to talk to you, this is real simple, ladies, ask him his opinion. He’ll talk your ear off.
Dr. Leman: Eliminate the why word. Your husband says something, you come back with, Why?” As soon as you throw up the why word, he’s done talking to you. He’ll walk out of the room, he’ll shut down, he’ll go turn on a ball game and tune you out. His message that he got is, you don’t give a rip about me. You ought to understand that I don’t like the why word. You don’t understand, I don’t like your stupid questions, but when you touch me, okay, when you touch me and say, “Honey, I’d love to know your opinion about something.” I guarantee you, he’s going to talk, and you might find out that your husband, who you think is so shallow, runs a little deeper than you’ve given him credit for.
Dr. Leman: When was the last time you left the kids at home and kidnapped him for a weekend? I’m going to give you all kinds of things to do to make a man feel important, but we all need time out. We all need this time to say, “Hey, stop the busyness and lets talk about us.” You’ve got in this position by not honoring each other in marriage, by putting other people first, namely your children, by putting your job first, that’s so typical for us men. So you sort of deserve your plight in life. I think the book, Have a New Husband by Friday, is a great starting point to get back on track.
Doug: So with that segue, the eBook promo from [inaudible] this week is, Have a New Husband by Friday, July 30th to August 5th of 2019, for only $2.99. I’m going to say that again. Have a New Husband by Friday, eBook July 30th to August 5th, so you only have a week for only $2.99. You should go get it. And a no-nonsense parenting advice with Dr Kevin Leman.
Dr. Leman: Just the facts ma’am, just the facts. Well, I think the facts are these. Screen time is not good for children, period. It just isn’t good for them. We live in a screen-filled world. Kids have cell phones in their hands, I’ve seen them 18 months, two years, in strollers with Mommy’s cell phone, scrolling up, scrolling down, punching letters. It’s nauseating. Hey parents, you need to be the parent you need to be. Being a parent means that you make judgment calls that are best for your family and best for your children. Do some research on this. Don’t take my advice far. There’s all kinds of new research that says that screen time for kids is just downright destructive.
Dr. Leman: I see parents in toy stores buying expensive toys for children. I would have to admit that my wife, grandmother supreme, now with two little three year old twins, she is a sucker to buy all kinds of things. I saw the other day she bought a keyboard, a musical keyboard for the kids. It does all kinds of wonderful things. It’s musical, and I’m certainly not anti-music, I love music, but it also cost $69 I noticed.
Dr. Leman: You’ll love this personal information. I just bought some new toilets for our home and they’re the kind, they’re a little higher than the normal ones that are set so low. They’re nice toilets. I bought them at Home Depot, and the thought struck me as the guy was taking it out of the box. I said, “Wow, $69 versus a big box.” You know, kids need to have their creative abilities and hands during those first few years of life, and believe it or not, just playing with boxes in a family room is a creative fun way, and a cheap way for kids to be entertained.
Dr. Leman: We have the mentality, and you see this in cars. I’m in a stop light. I look over in the van and the two kids both have little videos they’re watching that are embedded in the back of the seat. I’m thinking, “This is what the world has come to.” We as parents feel an obligation to entertain our children. No wonder they get bored easily. How nice it is to see kids play with things, play with cushions from a couch, and making a fort using a sheet.
Dr. Leman: I just think we miss the opportunity for kids to develop creativity and in its place we put a screen. Now again, some of you look at screens all day long at your work, and again, don’t take my word for it. Check out the latest research on the effects of screens on the human brain. It’s not good for any of us, but it certainly isn’t good for young children.
Dr. Leman: So obviously, and I know many of you have little appliances where you love to show the little videos and everything to your kids. Yes, you can use them, but they really have to be limited. And who’s the limiter? You are. The problem is you’re busy and in your busyness, you’ll stick that appliance in your young ones hands and they’ll have it not for a half hour, they’ll have it for three hours, or four hours. Be the responsible one, parents, step up to the plate, be the parent you need to be.
Doug: Dr Leman, there’s a lot of these women that Andrea has connected with, and the one thing I think they have is they have no hope. They literally have no hope that their husband will change, they have no hope that their situation can get better, right?
Andrea: Well, even as I listen, I’m like, well, I’ve heard so many stories where the husband is just, I’ll be frank with you. He just sounds like a real jerk, like he’s so selfish. He has no concept of loving his wife or taking care of his family.
Dr. Leman: Jerks are all over the place, Andrea, but one thing I would say to that lady is, “Wait a minute, let’s just stop a minute. You’re the one that married this guy. You’re the one that said, ‘This is the man I want to spend my life with.’ How much of this bad relationship is on you? If you had to do it all over again, what would you do differently?” You’ve got two sons, let’s say.
Dr. Leman: I would say that woman, “How am I going to make sure that my sons learn to respect women? If I’m stuck in that marriage,” and for whatever reason this woman feels like she can’t leave the marriage and this jerk has continued to be the jerk, then the next thing I’m going to do is I’m going to take refuge with my sons and I’m going to make sure those kids get as healthy a perception of a woman as they possibly can from me. So again, the focus is usually on, he is such a jerk. I get that. But the question is, what are you going to do about it yourself? What are you willing to do differently today to try to unjam that standoff? What’s gonna move that ice that’s blocking the channel of life? What can you do different?
Dr. Leman: Some people go and seek counsel and that can be a very good thing. Most men don’t like that, and most men don’t have any inclination to share their thoughts or feelings with anybody. Women are much more open to that than men are. So for a lot of women, they read books and they listened to tapes and podcasts and try to find a way through this. But again, you’ve got to own up to the fact, hey, this is the guy you brought home to marry. This is the guy you said I want to spend the rest of my life with.
Doug: Dr. Leman, when I think about a couple of these couples that we know, I would imagine that the women have the fear that, if I become soft and loving and kind or if I read, Have a New Husband by Friday, and I try these things and it … “I don’t think he can change. I don’t think he will change, and now it’s going to be worse, then he’s going to walk all over me.”
Andrea: Exactly. He’s going to take advantage of me.
Doug: Now, he’s going to take advantage of me. Help them have a right perspective on that.
Dr. Leman: Well, and again, everything you just said might be very true. There’s people in the world just don’t get it, men and women. Okay? But you got yourself in this bad relationship. You got kids, and you have to take stock of where you are in life. Am I better off alone? Am I better off as a single person? What’s my financial future like? What about my health insurance for myself? And my own medical condition that I have? There’s so many different hooks along the way that you just have to look at the big picture and figure out what’s best for me and my kids?
Doug: Here’s what I’m asking. I’m asking the question poorly, because I’ll use myself. I will tell people, “I think the only reason that Andrea and I are still married is because of Andrea. I was a jerk, I was selfish, I was angry, I got whatever I wanted and it was Andrea’s tenderness, and softness, and honestly her just like when I was a bleep, she was the soft one and then she eventually won me over to it. Is there hope that if they apply these concepts, they’ll have this same experience that I had? What would you say to that?
Dr. Leman: Well sure, but it always takes somebody doing some changing, doing the same thing. Whatever your plight in life right now is in your marriage folks, it’s not going to change unless you start doing something different. That means you have to do some changing. You have to stop playing the games that you and your husband, or you and your wife continue to play. Somebody’s going to have to stand up and say, “Listen, I am very unhappy here. Things have to change. This isn’t working.” And again, I’ve referred to this many times, I’d much rather have a blowout than a slow leak. So if it takes a blow out, so be it, but let’s try to do some things different.
Dr. Leman: I’ve been a part of putting people back together again who were divorced, and now they’re remarried and happy. So yeah, there’s always hope. If you’re a person of faith, you claimed it with God, all things are possible. I wish I could drop names in this business of movie stars and entertainers, and that I’ve had a part in changing their life. You’d be shocked.
Doug: So for that discouraged married woman, how will this book help her know the right changes to make? How will Have a New Husband by Friday, how will she have the confidence?
Dr. Leman: There’s no easy answers when it comes to changing the direction of a relationship. But again, do you have a protocol? Do you know where you’re going? Do you know where you want to go? I think you have to ask the hard questions as a woman. “Am I using my husband as a scapegoat? Is he the reason I’m so miserably unhappy? Or is it me? Am I part of the equation?” And again, there are jerk men out there, tons of them, but there’s jerk women out there as well. It’s never one side. It takes two people to get a relationship in bad shape, and once they get in bad shape, it’s tough to turn them around. But as you’ve attested to it, that they can change.
Dr. Leman: If you want to really get a handle on, how does your husband think? How does a man think inside? Read to Have a New Husband by Friday?
Doug: You know, one thing I regret about this podcast is we went down this dark hole, and I took us there about these marriages that are on the rocks, but this book also is just like, if you’ve got a good marriage and you want to go to a great marriage, right? You want to understand your husband more and be able to just have a great marriage. This book could be fabulous. Again, it’s never going to hurt to invest in understanding each other more. If you’re like Andrea and inclined to try and do the right thing, this is for those kinds of ladies that are like, “I’m willing to invest to understand it better, and watch my marriage flourish.”
Dr. Leman: Okay, let’s have everybody think about the wedding that they’re invited to this summer. Okay? I want everybody to think about the wedding they’re invited to, or been to recently. Or maybe it’s a fall wedding that’s coming. Here’s what I want you to know. All the money spent on that wonderful ceremony, all the money spent on the honeymoon, will not deter this fact that most of those marriages will last seven years or less.
Dr. Leman: Now, here’s my question for every young person out there who’s listening, or maybe somebody who’s getting married, what’s going to make you different? “Oh well, Dr. Leman, we love each other.” Really? Do you think that all these people who are divorced now, didn’t tell themselves at one time they loved each other? You gotta be kidding me. I’m just telling you, this isn’t easy. We take for granted, as a woman, what a man’s all about, what a woman’s all about.
Dr. Leman: I’m telling you, the sexes do not understand each other very well. Read Have a New Husband by Friday. Read, Have a New Sex Life by Friday. Sheet music, my book on sexual intimacy, is a classic book. It’s been acclaimed in so many different places. Sheet Music, there’s help out there. Get it, read it, be as knowledgeable as you can and really try to put each other’s feelings first in marriage. If you really commit yourself to doing that, you’re off on a positive note.
Doug: Thank you for that incredibly well-stated summation. I’m just going to say it one more time, you can get this book, Have a New Husband by Friday, July 30th to August 5th, 2019 for less than $3, $2.99. For your sake, please get the book. Well, we love being with you. We love helping you. We love helping your marriage so that you can parent your kids easier and enjoy them more, and we just appreciate the time that we get to spend with you. We hope that you have a fantabulous day and a incredible marriage.
Andrea: Have a great week.
Doug: Take care. Bye, Bye.
Andrea: Bye Bye.
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Andrea: Okay. Being a young mom is really hard and if you heard the last podcast about feeling like a failure and crying, then you’re going to identify with Jenny and her question on this podcast today.
Doug: Hi, I’m Doug Terpening.
Andrea: And I’m Andrea.
Doug: We are so glad that you are joining with us. A Gazillion welcomes. If This happens to be your first time, I just want to let you know this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or your child, please go seek a local professional for help. Well, Dr. Leman, we haven’t referenced this in, I almost said a gazillion days just to be honoring, but I’ll stop, and say a long time. If I am having an event and I’m thinking, “Man, I wonder who I could come get to come be a speaker.” Do you come and speak at different events and if so, what kind of events do you come and speak yet?
Dr. Leman: Well, this weekend I’m speaking at a all-Chinese church. That’s a first for me. I’m so looking forward to it. Last week I did a business group. I did a fundraiser for a school. I’m a good fundraiser. You’ve all gone to fundraisers where you get the free chicken dinner, but you know it’s not free because you know there’s a pledge card on the table and all that. I’m really good at getting people to open up their wallet, and watch the moths fly out, and chip in for a worthy cause. So I do a lot of those.
Dr. Leman: I only go where I’m asked. We don’t knock on doors. Okay? I’ve never had the need to knock on doors and say, “Oh, would you like me to come to Oregon or Washington or you name it?” The only state that I’ve never spoken in is Montana. One of these days someone from Montana is going to call and ask me. Before they even ask me to do what they want me to do, I’m going to say I’ll be there.
Dr. Leman: I mean for those of you who are in the business world, I do YPO groups, Young President’s Organization. These are the movers and shakers of America. Most of the people in the audience when I’m speaking to them are millionaires, multimillionaires, billionaires, you name it. You can see it all. I enjoy that challenge in the insurance industry. I talk at Top of the Table, which is the top producers in the insurance industry.
Dr. Leman: I do consultation with car dealerships on how to sell people differently. We all buy things differently. I recently did a thing for a local police department on a SWAT team. What do you do when a guy is barricaded with a gun? Well, tell me where he’s born and his family, and I can give you some good advice on how to approach him. So I love the challenge of doing things different.
Dr. Leman: If you’re a member of a club or an organization that has a speaker, even if you just want a speaker who’s going to be entertaining and fun, talk about something as benign as marriage or parenthood or you name it, I love to do those things. So it’s easy. You call my office here, I’m giving you my office 520, okay, 520. That’s Tucson, Arizona. 797, 797
Dr. Leman: Now, By now you know I have a bias about people who give telephone numbers so quick, I can’t even catch three numbers of it. So back to 520-7973830, 3830. If Debbie doesn’t pick up, she’s my assistant, you leave a detailed message and she will call you back. Talking to her is like talking to me because she knows everything. She’s a firstborn. She’s been with me for over 25 years. She sets these events up in such a way they’re tailor-made for what your needs are.
Dr. Leman: My favorite, especially if it’s a church, is to do a Sunday morning where you speak in services. Interesting enough, attendance doubles usually after they hear the Sunday morning service for the event. The event then is Sunday night, Monday morning, and Monday night. We put a combination of marriage or parenthood. Sometimes we do an early morning breakfast for business people and I’ll speak on the way of the shepherd, which is my book on leadership. So anyway in a nutshell, if you want the old fat guy, you can find him.
Doug: Super thanks. You are a blessing when you go and speak at places and especially the ones that we followed up with, have heard nothing but great reports from them. So Today we get to answer one of your questions from Jenny, which is I think a question that a lot of moms have. I am super excited to hear your answer, Dr. Leman. Here we go.
Jenny: Hi Dr Leman. My name is Jenny. I tune in very often as I’m raising two young kids. We’re always going through and learning new things about this parenting journey. I just wanted to say thank you for all your great advice and especially your humor. Some days humor is exactly what we need to get us through our day
Jenny: As I said, we have two young kids, a little girl who’s four and a little boy who’s turning two here in a few weeks. Our little girl is very strong willed, independent, knows what she wants and has a big attitude. Our little boy, he’s just starting to get to the stage where he cries and screams when he doesn’t get his way or what he wants in that moment.
Jenny: As a mom, So many of these days are loud, stressful and frustrating. I tend to take so much of it personally. If we have a bad day where I feel like the kids have been horrible, I take it so personally, like I’m doing everything wrong and end up in my room crying, feeling like a failure. I don’t want to not like my kids or these fun times while they’re young.
Jenny: What is your best advice to get through these times and enjoy them? We venture out and try fun things like restaurants, the zoo, the parks and fun things like that. But you know how most of these things usually end. Usually my husband and I promise we’re never leaving the house again. Dr. Leman, what’s your best advice to enjoy these hard times and not take them to personally? Thank you.
Dr. Leman: Oh, Jenny. Jenny, Jenny. Oh my goodness. That’s probably one of the best questions we’ve ever had on our podcast. You sound delightful. Tell Your husband for me he is one lucky dude to share life with you. You’re trying so hard to be a great mom. I understand that. But wow, that four-year-old, I mean I can see her, little Tila. I bet she’s cuter than cute.
Dr. Leman: She knows exactly how life ought to be. She knows exactly how things you are. Well, now that I’ve praised you, which I don’t even believe in, I’ve got to tell you that what you and your husband have to talk about is we’ve created this little four-year-old powerful young woman. I think it was a couple of podcasts ago, I was asked the question about, “How do you know if you have a powerful child?”
Dr. Leman: A couple of other things I said was, “Well, you feel a lot like you failed and you cry a lot.” What you just confirmed in your question is you feel like a failure and you cry a lot. In fact, I love your line that you and your husband have decided you’re never going to leave the house again. You go off for these idealistic ideas that we’re going to go to the zoo. Okay? It’s summertime.
Dr. Leman: The high today is going to be 88 . It’s going to be really humid. Really? Is this the day to go to the zoo with two kids in the stroller? Or wouldn’t it be better to maybe get a day when it’s 70 degrees with lower humidity? Just throw that out for your consideration. But you have to owe up to the fact that somehow you and your hobby have created this powerful child by falling prey to what most parents fall prey to and that is my child needs to be happy.
Dr. Leman: I need a happy child. So you do everything from,if you’re in a place where the child’s supposed to be quiet, you have a whole grocery store in your purse. You’ve tried a sucker, you’ve tried gum, you’ve tried mints, you’ve tried this, you’ve tried that. You have just gone and run yourself ragged trying to make sure this child is happy at every turn. So one of the things you have to address is my child deserves the right to be miserable.
Andrea: They deserve the right to be unhappy?
Dr. Leman: Yes. Let her be miserable as she possibly can be, especially when she’s over tired because that’s when they’ll really do their dog and pony show to their full extent. Like I said, many times at that point, a child gets to what I call the point of no return. You could have me and four other of your favorite authors in the room who’ve written books about behavior. Once that kid hits that point of no return, none of us are going to be able to do anything with that kid.
Dr. Leman: They’re going to have to continue the meltdown cycle. What does that mean? It means you pick that kid up, Jenny. You’ve put her in a room, you close the door. If You have to hold it, so be it. You’ll hold it long enough that she’ll probably just fall asleep out of sheer exhaustion with her blankie behind the door. So be it. That’s round one.
Dr. Leman: The good news is after a two-hour nap, you have a reasonable good chance of returning just some kind of a okay state for everybody. You create the powerful child, which means one of you tends to be a powerful person. What you have to understand, Jenny, is your little four-year-old sweet daughter, I’ll bet she’s sweeter than sweet. She’s learned to be powerful by you guys. She’s watched how you overreact. You don’t respond very well.
Dr. Leman: You react and that reaction itself will jettison a kid to even further misbehavior. I don’t want to leave that little crying two-year-old out of the picture because whatever the four-year-old is, the two-year-old’s going to go the opposite direction. You say he is just getting to a point where he’s whining and crying. Again, I say with tongue and cheek, you need a wine cellar. So when a kid gets really whiny, you need to have the fortitude to pick them up and put them in his crib, if he’s still in a crib or in his bedroom or whatever. Without a lot of words, maybe a look on your face that you’re not the happiest person in the world would help.
Dr. Leman: It’s tough at this age. I mean anybody with a four-year-old and a two-year-old, I was over at my school yesterday. A Young woman walked in and she had one in the stroller and one was walking independently, the oldest, which is probably about five or six. Then one was holding her hand and she’s pushing the cart with the other.
Dr. Leman: I just said, “Hey, how’s the busy mom?” She said, “Doc, just trying to get through the day.” I can appreciate that because that is the goal for many, just to get through the day. So if you’re lucky enough to be home with your children, that’s good and bad. The bad part is you’ve been with them all day. They know your every move. they’ve been working you. Now there’s two of them, not just one. So you’d be a great candidate to read any of my books on raising kids and try to get a game plan between yourself and your husband to do life a little differently.
Doug: So Dr. Leman, her question is, how can I actually enjoy these early years?
Dr. Leman: You’re destined to not enjoy these years if you continue on the happy track. The happy track says, “My kid has to be happy. I’m gonna do everything to appease my daughter.” So when she gets into her, “No, I want this. I don’t want that.” Don’t give her the choice. “Here it is, honey. You don’t want to eat it, that’s fine.” Start building in what I call reality discipline, that there’s order in this home. Honey, what do you want? I want cereal. You start making the cereal. Now, she wants pancakes. Well, no, that’s not how it works. You said cereal and I poured the milk on it,x and that’s it.
Doug: Long before we had ever talked, I remember my epiphany moment when I read Have a New Kid by Friday. You have a line in there that says a unhappy child is a healthy child. I’ll never forget all the light bulbs that went off in my head about that reality. So you’re right, because we try and keep them happy, it doesn’t help us. Okay. I’m going to take a break here and tell everybody about the ebook. A special from Baker this week. It is My Youngest, There is No One Like You for only a $1.99 from July 23rd to July 29th of 2019. For $1.99, What is My Youngest, There’s No One Like You about, Dr. Leman?
Dr. Leman: Well, it’s a book that I did with my son who just this past weekend, won his 19th Emmy. He is very, very talented. He’s a writer, he’s an illustrator. He’s a guy that can do about everything under the sun. But this book is one of the series. My only child, my firstborn child, my middle child, my youngest child, my adopted child, and my grandchild. There’s No One Like You, that’s the name of the series. So this book we’re highlighting today, My Youngest Child, There is No One Like You is a quick look at what a youngest child is like. So it’s got some birth order stuff. I bet it’s sewn into a story. By the way, you can download that for $1.99. That’s great and you’ll enjoy it. But fair warning to all, if you see that book someplace, buy it. Those are limited edition books.
Dr. Leman: The Middle Child Book I have seen for $400 for one book. So look for those series. If you could see any of those books and you can buy them new some place, buy them. Retail is $13 on them if I recall. But they’re just fun and memorable books. They’re gift books that a parent could give even to their adult child is a little memento of what it was like to have you, the youngest child in the family. So they’re really cool books. But again, if you can see them, if you have an opportunity to buy them in hardpack, they have a little a flyleaf cover on them that’s very nicely illustrated, but check them out. It’s worth it for sure.
Doug: $1.99 July 23rd through the 29th. Now, No Nonsense Parenting Advice with Dr. Leman.
Dr. Leman: Mommy, I want a puppy.
Dr. Leman: Daddy, can we get a cat?
Dr. Leman: You know what? The Leman’s of had hermit crabs, guinea pigs, turtles, and several dogs. Parents, you know the drill here. Some of you, you get so sucked in by your kids. You live in a two bedroom apartment, you both work. You got two kids. Quite frankly, the last thing you need is a pet, but many of you will go ahead and get that pet. You know down the road it’s going to cause problems. Certainly going to cause problems when you want to go away and be at grandma’s for three weeks. Good luck finding a dog sitter, etc. Well, not to come across like an old crouch, but you know and I know that if there’s a pet in the family, most of that responsibility for having the pet is falling on who?
Dr. Leman: That’s right. You, your six-year-old isn’t taking the cat to get her shots or paying for it or to get the dog’s nails clipped or shampooed or you name it. So this really is a decision that you have to really think through. Now again, we have enjoyed having a dog in our family. We’ve had a dog in our family almost all of my life and I’ve always enjoyed the company of a dog. I would admit to everything I just said that it’s costly and they can interrupt your lifestyle and whatever. But is a pet great for a kid? Yes. Depending upon where you live, depending upon their age, their responsibility.
Dr. Leman: But don’t get caught up in the emotional moment. If you’re hit with the opportunity, so to speak, to get a pet and give it a week, parents, and think about it. Think about will this pet really enrich our life right now or is there another time for a pet? I love going to the zoo. I love seeing all the animals. In fact, recently I was on Fox and Friends and they had baby Bengal tigers in the studio and a baby leopard. What beautiful creatures. You want to take them home.
Dr. Leman: They’re so gorgeous and beautiful. I love to watch animals, but it’s sort of like what some grandparents had said to me, “I love my grandchildren because I can really enjoy them and then give them back at the end of the evening and go home.”
Dr. Leman: So with that in mind, my advice is simply really think this thing through. Don’t get caught up in emotion, in the wailing and crying of your kids because the bottom line is you, parent, more than anybody else in the family is going to be responsible for that pet. You want kids to be responsible? Of course you do. But I’m just telling you, the reality of life is you’re going to do more for that pet than your son or your daughter. Good luck.
Doug: Okay. Dr Leman in between the three of us, Andrea is more the mom that probably relates to this. Andrea, you don’t have four and two-year-olds anymore. Your kids are a little bit bigger now.
Andrea: Yup.
Doug: And when you think back to those years, there were times when you were just exhausted, worn out, tired.
Andrea: Frustrated.
Doug: Frustrated. When you hear Jenny’s question, what would you say to Jenny about doing the hard work of not just making it happy, happy, happy, and having her purse full of food and actually doing this advice of Doctor? What will be the payoff to you or Jenny?
Andrea: Jenny, you’re asking about how to enjoy these days now. The thing is you’ve got a lot more years with the kids and you want to enjoy them in the future. I enjoy my kids today, all teenagers. We have a lot of fun together. So it is hard to say no and it is hard to not make that child happy at the moment. But they will thank you for it. I’ve had my kids thank me for how I’ve parented them and making those hard decisions to not keep them happy at every moment, to discipline them. The pay off is totally worth it.
Doug: Dr. Leman, what’s the opposite? If Jenny keeps on the happy, happy trail, always having gummy bears around for the kids, trying to placate them. What is Jenny going to ended up with? If she’s frustrated now, what will she end up with?
Dr. Leman: You won’t like spending time with your kids. I mean, listen to your question, you’ll want to enjoy this time. As time goes on, if you don’t do some things, these are kids that you’re not going to want to be around. But check this out, other people aren’t going to enjoy being around them either because they’re so self-centered and selfish. All they care about is me, me, me.
Dr. Leman: Who wants to be around that person? Nobody. Who wants to marry that person? Nobody. Nobody should. But somebody will, and pay for it in all probability. So these are huge things. I mean, my wife, we had three kids under six, well, when she had her firstborn, she decided she was going to quit working outside of the home. We had one car. We couldn’t afford two cars, so we bought an old used car. Back in those days, there weren’t pampers around in pull ups, Huggie this and Huggie that.
Dr. Leman: No. It was old diaper, diaper pails. I mean how my wife survived all that, I look back on it now she survived it because she had a good sense of enough is enough. There will be discipline in this home. We cut our teeth on Holly. She was probably the toughest one of all the kids cause she certainly had some instincts in her that made her an inquiring mind.
Dr. Leman: She wanted to know everything, but she was slightly powerful as well. So we turned that around and we dealt with it on the same page. Now look, as we’ve talked about many times, we have kids who actually want to hang out with us and have fun with us. Jenny, again, I think your question is the best question we’ve ever had. It shows the heart of a mom and God bless you. I know you’re really trying to be a good mom.
Dr. Leman: You probably need to be less of a great mom in your mind and start doing some things differently. The nice thing about the techniques that are in my books is you put them to test. I mean we’re talking 48 hours, 72 hours, a few days, and you will see a change of the kids. They will change. Why? Because you’ve successfully done some changing on your own.
Dr. Leman: So that’s what sets that up. So I just want to encourage you to do some more reading and put those actions into play. Again, you take it all personally, I think you said that. You have to shed yourself off that one. Realize that a good mom is really good at dishing out Vitamin N which has no, and vitamin E which is encouragement. I wish you well on that.
Doug: Jenny, thank you a ton for your question. It really was an amazing question. For all of you that are out there, I’ll say it again. Go read Making Children Mind Without Losing Yours, or Have a New Kid by Friday as a starting point to get the confidence to do these things.
Doug: Dr Leman was exactly right. In a few days, a few weeks, you will see a change in your kid. It really, but it really gives you the confidence to do it. I can’t encourage enough. All righty. It was great to be with you today and we love answering your questions. You can go to BirthOrderGuide.com/podcastquestion. There’s a microphone and you can leave your question just like Jenny. We would love to hear what it is and answer. So we enjoy adding to your parenting toolbox so you’re going to love these kids and enjoy them more and more.
Andrea: Have a great week enjoying your kids.
Doug: Take care.
Andrea: Bye Bye.
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Transcript
Doug Terpening: Okay. If you’ve been listening to this podcast more than two times, you know you have a powerful child. What you may not know is, what is the easiest way for me to spot that I have a powerful child. So we get to ask Dr. Leman today. Hey, Dr. Leman, what are the three signs that I might, or I do, or regretfully, I am that powerful child. Well, that’s what we get to ask Dr. Leman today.
Doug Terpening: Hi I’m Doug Terpening.
Andrea T.: And I’m Andrea.
Doug Terpening: And we are super, fantabulously glad that you are here with us today. And if this happens to be your first time, welcome, and we want to let you know this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or your child, please go seek a local professional for help. Dr. Leman, there are more and more new people that are jumping into the podcast right in the middle, and we haven’t talked about this in a bazillion years, but this podcast is going out the middle of July, and the entire Leman kids, I still can’t believe this, as grown adults, will do what? They will all gather together and pay their own way to do what this summer?
Dr. Leman: We’ll be back in New York at our summer hideaway from life, and then several of the kids will be joining us, we’re going to do a trip over to Germany and then down to Spain. You know, for the sake of all you young mommies and daddies, it’s possible these kids are going to end up, and call you blessed, and they’re going to want to hang out with you because you’ve done a good job of parenting. And that’s one of the things we try to help you with, it’s just how to get you to be a good parent. And notice we’re not saying even great, or wonderful, or the best, or let’s just, if you’re a good parent, things are going to work out real well, trust me.
Doug Terpening: And the reason I just bring this up again is like, your kids also will gather every year, maybe not when you’re going to Europe, and hang out at the lake house just to be with each other, and bring all the grandkids. And I just think that’s the dream, right? That all my kids, with their kids in tow, would want to pay their own way to fly out, to hang out with mom and dad again for weeks in the summer. So, the reason I bring that up is, Dr. Leman is not just talking theory, he’s living it with his kids. So, alrighty. Well let’s jump into today’s topic. Dr. Leman what are three signs that I have a powerful child?
Dr. Leman: One of them will throw you for a loop, I’ll start with that one. You feel like you’ve failed as a parent. Then the second one I would add is, your child has to have the last word in every conversation, and then maybe a third might be, you cry a lot, sometimes silently, but you really are, you’re crying too much.
Andrea T.: These were not I was expecting at all.
Dr. Leman: Well no, because if you have a powerful child, he or she knows how to punch your buttons. The frustration. Let’s just take the case of the kid who refuses to get up in the morning for school, and you’ve called them four times, and you’ve threatened him, and you’ve done everything short of getting a court order to get the guy out of bed. Okay, let’s make him 14, that’s always a good age. And he finally flies out the front door, bare chested, with a shirt in his hand, running for the school bus. And wouldn’t you know it, he just made it by three seconds. And your shoulders slump, and you take a deep breath, and you ask yourself, “Birth control, I should’ve used birth control.” Or you have thoughts like, “Why? Why do I go through this every morning? What have I done Lord, to deserve this?”
Dr. Leman: It can take every form known to mankind, but this is what you have to understand is, you’ve created that kid that is so powerful, that you ran to the store and you bought Making Children Mind Without Losing Yours, or Have a New Kid by Friday. My question is, did you read those books? Because in there is the secret to avoiding power struggles by holding a little 14 year old, or a little four year old accountable for the things they do in life, in a way that features your responding to kids rather than just reacting.
Dr. Leman: So yeah, those three will surprise you. They have to have the last word, which the kid is saying, “I’m the boss of you. I’m better than you. I am an authority over you and you will do what I ask you to do, and if you don’t do what I ask you to do, I’m going to create such a commotion that you’re going to wish you would have done what I commanded on the first opportunity.” And I mention crying a lot because this gets a parent down, because these parents who have these kids are really great people who are trying to do things right. The problem is, they’re doing too much decision making for the child, and many times, they are joined with a partner who doesn’t see life like they do, and that creates a whole other set of problems.
Andrea T.: So Dr. Leman, based on what you just said, if I feel like I’ve failed as a parent, if I have that powerful child I might actually have failed. What would you respond to that?
Dr. Leman: Yeah, I mean, I don’t want to call you a loser, but I’m just telling you that right at the very get go you tippy toed around the house. You had your home as silent as you could because baby was sleeping, that’s mistake number one, okay. I’m going way back to when you’re bringing them home from the hospital. When you brought them home from the hospital, 10 days to two weeks later, did you go out for an by yourself and leave the child home alone? In all probability you didn’t.
Dr. Leman: You took that little sucker with you, and they became the third part of the wheels, so to speak. That’s okay for a while, but it has its limits, and you have to be a couple, and you have to have separation. And that’s why after a few weeks you separate that child into their own little room, and yes, you have a monitor so you can check on him, I get it. I understand the concerns of young moms and dads, but did you really train the child up to be independent? Or did you attach that child to your hip at every turn?
Dr. Leman: So, when I say you got what you deserve parent, you did, because you failed to separate your marriage from your responsibilities as a mom or dad. Now that’s something you guys probably never heard before.
Doug Terpening: No. Well, how can a parent do that in this day and age when there’s so much pressure to take care of that little one in that, almost like, your very identity is tied up into how well I take care of Buford.
Dr. Leman: Well, you know, I’ve told the story when I brought our first born Holly home. I held her about two feet out from my chest with my arms outstretched, and my wife looked at me, and she said, “What are you doing?” I said, “Well, I’d go want to hurt her.” I was clueless. Babies like to be cuddled, they like to stick their little head under your neck there and snuggle up tight. And unfortunately, I had a great teacher, but I’m just telling you that these basic things that get us off track are easy to fall into it.
Dr. Leman: Before long, you’ve got to ask your question, “Excuse me, which one’s the organ grinder and which one is the monkey? Who’s training who here?” And here’s this little kid, you know, he’s sitting in his high chair, he is a fussy eater already at age 18 months, and all of a sudden dad gets a spoon and goes, “Vroom, vroom, vroom,” and moving the spoon all around. And the kid’s thinking, “Oh, wait a minute, here comes the air show. I love this air show. This is such amusement for me. This is great. This is better than Dora The Explorer. This is great entertainment.”
Dr. Leman: “If he only knew the look he had on his face when he makes that vroom sound, he would never do that. My goodness, this is pathetic. Okay, now watch this. I’m just going to, I’m going to open my mouth like I’m going to eat it, and then I’m going to close at the last second.This is my favorite part. And so here he comes. All right, here goes. Oh, I shut my mouth. Oh, look at his face. He thought he had me. He didn’t.” I’m telling you, you have to get behind a kid’s eyes, and see how they play us like violins.
Dr. Leman: Parents, that’s why I say you have to be warm and you have to be firm. You’re warm with your kids. You’re not being disdainful, you’re not going to be disrespectful. You’re not going to be angry, and screaming, and yelling, or hitting, or anything like that. But there’s some firm limits. What have I said about food? Let the reality of the situation become the teacher to the child.
Dr. Leman: So if you’ve got a powerful child who says, “Hey, I’m not eating that.” Fine, put them down from the high chair, let them go do what two year olds do, or three year olds do. In a little while you’re going to hear signs of, “Mommy, I want some food. I want food, I’m hungry.” “Yeah, I bet you are hungry. Couldn’t have anything to do with the fact you didn’t finish your breakfast this morning.” It’s pretty simple stuff, but I didn’t say it was easy, I just said it was simple.
Doug Terpening: So Dr. Leman, a quick story that may or may not apply, but we had a couple of youngish moms get together, I wasn’t there, and they all complained about how horrible all their children were, and how they were blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But there was one mom who actually has read your books, and applied it, and she’d said to us privately, she said, “You know what, I don’t have those problems with my kids. And I actually, at this age now,” they were sort of between nine and about four. “I really get to just enjoy my kids.”
Doug Terpening: And I tell that story because, is it true that most of the people out there, the narrative out there is that our children do run the house, and they just are kind of hellions, and are we a self fulfilling prophecy now in this?
Dr. Leman: They do run the house, to answer your question. But see, the smart parent who understands the word authority. Again, how many teachings have we done over the time, but you have to understand parents, there’s a difference in being an authority and being an authoritarian. It’s that wonderful midline between being a chump and being walked over by your kids. Those are your permissive parents who insist your child wins at everything, and the authoritarian parents who basically just say, “You’re going to do life the way I tell you to do it and when I tell you to do it.” But that parent, just like that one you described, she had firm limits, she had expectations in her family, and now she can enjoy these kids.
Dr. Leman: And again, late breaking news parents, if you’re driving by chance, just hold onto the wheel. Your kids actually want to please you. They want to please you, let them please you. Don’t do everything for them. Let them surprise you. Let them do things around the house that you didn’t expect, and share the joy when you see the completed act, with, “Wow! Honey, I appreciate your help so much.” You want to give your kid vitamin E, you want them to feel good about themself, that’s how you do it.
Doug Terpening: I have to stop us here for just a moment because I have to talk about the e-book promotion this week. Like, there’s just no way I can’t at this point. Because if you complain about your children, if you complain about, it’s the worst, this is what you should do. You should go get the e-book promotion from Revell, that is, Making Children Mind Without Losing Yours, for only $3.99, July 16th to July 22nd. Dr. Leman, can you tell us why the parent who has that powerful child, that’s relating to this, should go get Making Children Mind Without Losing Yours?
Dr. Leman: Well, it’s a wonderful resource. You know, this summer, talking about these July dates, the kids are going to be in the pool, and within 30 seconds of your kid getting in the pool, what two words are you going to hear parent? I want you all to think about that. Your kids are in the pool, what two words are you going to hear real quickly? “Watch me. Watch me.” Okay, we’ll watch them do their cannonball, or whatever they’re doing, and then look down on your phone. You’ve downloaded, Making Children Mind Without Losing Yours. And as you rest, enjoying the rays of the sun, and you’re there, one eye on the children, and one eye on Making Children Mind Without Losing Yours, you’re going to get a plethora of resources, of ideas about how to deal with tattling, sibling rivalry, kids who don’t seem to be motivated, kids who lie, kids who misbehave, kids who hit you. I mean, you name it, it’s in that book.
Dr. Leman: I mean, you would have a hard time finding any kind of behavioral problem that you don’t face everyday parent, that’s not covered and Making Children Mind Without Losing Yours. So if you can download that sucker on that phone of yours, and you all live your life on the phone, let’s tell the truth here, for how much does it? $4.
Doug Terpening: Yep.
Dr. Leman: Oh my goodness.
Doug Terpening: That’s the bargain. I get nothing from you buying this book, but I’m just telling you for your sake do it, so that you’ll have the confidence to do the right thing, so that you can enjoy your children. I just can’t stress enough, it’ll give you the confidence, it’ll give you the clarity. Just go do it.
Dr. Leman: The other thing I would add about that book is, maybe you’ve read Have a New Kid by Friday, which is an excellent book, it’s a New York Times Best Seller as a matter of fact. But I always tell people, you’re a parent, start with the book Making Children Mind Without Losing Yours. It gives you the theoretical framework, okay, in a not so theory filled approach. My approach is to use humor, and to be very practical. You’re getting the theory, but you’re getting it in a very fun way, and you’ll close that book and say, “Ah, now I got it. I know the difference between authority, authoritarianism, and permissiveness.” If you got that locked down, wow, you’re on second base and ready to run toward home.
Doug Terpening: So, now we get to hear no nonsense parenting moment with Dr. Kevin Leman.
Dr. Leman: You know, I was staying at the Charles de Gaulle Airport in France, at a hotel right there, to make sure I didn’t miss my plane. Well, this is hard to admit, but I missed it, and I missed it by about 45 minutes. It was embarrassing because I got up early enough, and I decided to have a cup of coffee downstairs in the hotel and let my beautiful bride sleep a little longer, that was mistake number one. But the point is, I missed my plane, and it cost me $2,300 more to get back to the States.
Dr. Leman: Well, I want to talk to you about picky eaters. Now there’s a segway from Charles de Gaulle Airport to picky eaters. But you know, sometimes you miss the plane, sometimes you miss the train. With picky eaters, they can whine, they can throw temper tantrums, they can be just downright stubborn and miserable, because you put food in front of them and the dog and pony show starts.
Dr. Leman: “I don’t want that.” “I don’t like that.” “I don’t feel like eating that.” And mom or dad, if you haven’t read one of my books, you try to satisfy this little sucker. Let me tell you something straight out. Three things in life that get parents in trouble, sleeping, eating, and going potty. Those are three very natural things that every kid is going to do. They’re going to go to sleep. Can you make them go to sleep? No, but you can keep them in a room. And they’re going to go potty, and they’re going to eat. If a kid chooses not to eat, make no fanfare of it. “Honey, that’s fine. Why don’t you go ahead and get down from the table and play, whatever you want to do.” And they’ll come back. I guarantee you they’ll be back with “I’m hungry,” but a simple statement like, “Honey, I bet you are hungry. You didn’t eat your breakfast this morning,” will suffice.
Dr. Leman: Don’t pull out food for that child. Say, “Honey, the next scheduled meal here is at noon. I hope you’re here for it. I think it’s going to be pretty good, but you be the judge. Maybe you won’t like it. If that’s the case, you might take your chances on dinner. You never know, something good might show up around six o’clock.” In other words, hey, the train is leaving, you either eat or you don’t eat. You don’t make special meals for kids. Does that mean you can’t ask a child once in a while what they would like special for a meal? No, I’m not saying that, but you’re not going to be doing three or four different meals for three or four kids in the morning, trying to get them out to school in the morning. So food is food.
Dr. Leman: They’re either going to eat the food or they’re not, and when a kid says, “I don’t want that,” the best response is, “Honey, that’s fine. You don’t have to eat it. You don’t have to eat the thing. It’s your stomach. Maybe you’re not even hungry today,” and walk out of the room. They won’t know what hit them.
Dr. Leman: I know what some of you are thinking. “My son’s going to grab a banana and run out the door,” so be it, that’s not the end of the world, at least he’s got a banana in his gut. But I wouldn’t play these dog and pony shows and games that kids love to play with us. Okay, you’re responsible for what you put in your mouth mom and dad, let your kids be responsible for what they put in their mouth as well.
Doug Terpening: Okay, Dr. Leman, we got to give people hope here at the end of this. I have that powerful child.
Andrea T.: I cry a lot.
Doug Terpening: They’re always fighting. They always have the last word.
Andrea T.: And I like I’ve failed as a parent.
Doug Terpening: I have taken your advice and I’ve listened to you. How long is it going to take for this behavior and our relationship to change if I implement what you’ve said in Making Children Mind Without Losing Yours?
Dr. Leman: I’m going to go out and say, within 48 hours to 72 hours you will see a new kid on your hands. But what you have to do, and I underline the word have, you have to begin behaving differently. So if you’re in a situation, and you don’t know what to do, stop, do nothing. Think, “All right, this has happened a gazillion times,” to use your favorite word Doug, “In our home. What do I normally do? Okay, I got that down. Okay, and I want to know what I do.” And you can ask yourself, “How’s that working out for you?” “Not very well.” And so, what you’re going to say is, “Okay, I’m going to do something different. I’m going to keep the ball on his or her side of the court.” And it might be something just simple like, “Mom, where’s my shoes?” It’s amazing what moms are supposed to know. “Honey, they’re not on my feet.” I mean you can say anything, but stop doing the dog and pony show that you do with your kids on a daily basis.
Dr. Leman: They won’t know what hit them, and then develop the ability to say, “No. No, I don’t feel I doing that.” “No, we’re not going there.” And let them dig it out, let them work for it. “Mom, you always let us do this. You always let us do that.” “Well, mom doesn’t feel like letting you do anything today.” Because again, let them dig, let them really scour the Earth to figure out, “What’s going on with mom?”
Dr. Leman: And maybe it was just a smart mouth two hours earlier, that precipitated you copping an attitude, and maybe after three or four attempts to get to the bottom of this from their perspective, you say, “Well, you know, I don’t know if you’re aware of the conversation we had a couple hours ago, but I was just thinking about that, and mom is very unhappy.” Turn your back and walk away. If you do that, the kids won’t know what hit them. And they’re not going to feel good about themselves, and they knew they shouldn’t have said what they said, and they’re going to come around at that point and they’re going to apologize in one form or another.
Dr. Leman: Now, some won’t. Some are just so stubborn they’re going to wait you out and see if this is for real, but most will come around. Now, the important thing is, once they apologize, then they go right back to, “Well, mom, can we go to the mall now?” Or whatever. And the answer is still no, because that’s part of the discipline that must accompany the love you have for your child.
Andrea T.: It feels like, if I start to cop an attitude, like you said, how does it not become a snowball where they get even more of an attitude?
Dr. Leman: Well the attitude is a dull one, it’s not a vindictive one. It’s a flat emotional, “No, I don’t feel like doing this.” “No mom’s unhappy.” Just statements. You can be sullen even. But you’re not rubbing their nose in it. See, if you’ve got a powerful child, the instinct inside of you says, “What did you just say? I am your mother. Do you understand who you’re talking to young man?” It’s like you want to grab that little puppy from behind the neck and rub their nose in it, and anybody who trains dogs will tell you that’s not a good idea. But dog owners have done it for years, and it doesn’t work, and it doesn’t work with kids either. It just makes the kid more powerful.
Doug Terpening: And for the other side of the fence, like the sweet, sweet moms like Andrea, I remember the first time she took your advice Dr. Leman, and told one of her kids, “I am disappointed in your behavior,” and turned and walked away. I think she walked into her room and cried for an hour because she felt so bad [crosstalk 00:21:10] that she had [crosstalk 00:21:11] done something.
Dr. Leman: Well, name three people nicer on this Earth than Andrea Terpening. I mean, she’s just one of those lovely, nice, sunshiny people that’s just fun to be around. And so, you put a lovely lady, put four kids around her, man, they can work her like a a violin.
Andrea T.: But it’s hard to be mean to them.
Doug Terpening: Listen to that. Okay.
Dr. Leman: But that’s where you go to Doug, and say, “Doug, am I being mean or am I being helpful?” And Doug’s going to say, “Actually, you’re doing the right thing and you’re being helpful.”
Andrea T.: Yes. And your kids [crosstalk 00:21:47] will thank you later.
Doug Terpening: Your kids will thank you.
Dr. Leman: They will.
Doug Terpening: Like she did this to our kid, and the kid later apologized to her. Right? So it works. It really… If you’re the sweet, sweet, sweet one like Andrea, or if you’re the mean one like me, it really does work. So-
Andrea T.: It’s okay, you’re not being mean.
Doug Terpening: You’re not being mean. So I am going to ask you a gazillion requests to go buy this book for yourself. You will think me a gazillion times. So can I say gazillion enough times now that Dr. [crosstalk 00:22:15]-
Andrea T.: I think you just want to say the words now.
Doug Terpening: I just want to say it now. So, please go-
Dr. Leman: $3.99 right?
Doug Terpening: $3.99.
Dr. Leman: You’re such a loser if you don’t go get that. That is such a bargain. Oh my goodness, $4?
Doug Terpening: $4, July 16th to July 22nd. For your sake, go get it please, please. Okay. Well this concludes our show, and as always, I can’t encourage you enough, if you’re listening to this, to pass this on to all of, your sister-in-law, and to your brother-in-law, and your brother, that you are worried about how they’re parenting, so that they’ll hear it and go buy the book themselves. Send it on Facebook, or however.
Doug Terpening: Okay. I think I’ve said this enough. All right, why don’t you to go buy the book. Alrighty. Well, we love being with you,, and we look forward to the next time we get to hang out with you, so that you can add to that parenting toolbox, so that you can enjoy and love those kids more.
Andrea T.: Have a great day.
Doug Terpening: Take care. Bye-bye.
Andrea T.: Bye.
]]>When you have a powerful child on your hands, the word “no” can lose its effectiveness. Dr. Leman gives his advice on how to back up your ‘no’ in today’s “Ask Dr. Leman”.
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Andrea: Well I’m trying to implement A before B, but I just don’t know how long or what things to stick to. I have a powerful child and Dr. Leman keeps telling me I need to do this, but I just can’t do it.
Doug: That’s the question that actually you asked about Elizabeth and we get to answer that question today. Hi, I’m Doug Terpening.
Andrea: And I’m Andrea.
Doug: And if this is your first time with us. Hello, bello, bello. We are so glad that you’re with us. I want to let you know this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or your child, please go seek a local professional for help. Well, I am super excited that we have Elizabeth’s question today about how do I deal with what Andrea just said?
Andrea: Powerful child.
Doug: And how long do I have to deal with it. Here we go. Here is Elizabeth’s question.
Elizabeth: Hi Dr Leman. Thank you for listening. I have reared a powerful child, she’s six years old and I have a three and a half year old who is much easier to deal with. But trying to make some changes for both of them because I know they’ll both do better. But my question is in the books you recommend when a child is very disrespectful, I’m assuming yelling at me for example, hitting me, then you recommend saying no to the child’s requests. My question is how long does that go on for?
Elizabeth: Do I say no for days and days and days or just one day, just one hour, just two hours? And also what kind of requests do I say no to? For example, does she still get a bedtime story? I understand she should be contrite. I just wasn’t sure how long and what kind of requests do you recommend saying no to? For example, for my six year old, I mean, would I not serve her a plate for dinner? Would I have her get her own plate? Would I have her make her own food? I mean obviously I’m going to make sure she’s having food offered. Thank you so much for your time.
Dr. Leman: Well, Elizabeth, you sound like a good mom and I’ve talked with a lot of mommies who face those same questions that you have asked and you’ve raised a lot of them, but first of all, before we can have a discussion about what to do, you have to understand that you have created, you have taught that six year old how to be powerful, how to be perfectionistic, how to only accept life on her terms. And let me go back to a scene I witnessed just within this last year. In fact, a book that has not even been released yet to the public I just finished, it’s fresh in my mind.
Dr. Leman: And my wife and I were sitting in a Texas roadhouse and a young family came in. It was grandma, grandpa, husband, wife, baby and it looked like maybe an aunt or a cousin or something, another adult female. And they arrived at the table and the person who sat them had one of those wooden high chairs that you can invert upside down and put a carrier on it if you wanted to. You know what they look like. Well. Anyway, as they sat down and they put that little child into the… I can’t even say this without laughing, into the highchair. I began to chuckle inside and I said to myself, “Self, this is going to be good.”
Dr. Leman: And I could predict exactly what was going to happen. When they went to put this little child of about 13 months old into the chair, she reared up her legs, held them close to her body, that made it almost impossible to get her in there. So Dad, as I recall, straightened out her legs and plunked her down in there and a fussing ensued. I said to myself, “She’s out of there within 60 seconds.” And sure enough she was. Dad took her out, put little 13-month old on his lap. I thought, “Oh boy, I can see this.”
Dr. Leman: Well, little 13-month old became more distraught that she was on daddy’s lap and it was inevitable that it wasn’t another 90 seconds later. Oh, I left out a part. Dad tried to give her a little macaroni and cheese that he had ordered as they walked in the door because they wanted to give the baby something to eat. Well, he offered it to the baby and baby smashed it back in daddy’s face, upon which time mom came to the rescue and grabbed 13 month old. And the saga just continued. These are the seedlings of creating a powerful child. And what I’m saying to you is, and I know you’re a good mom, Elizabeth, you tried. You tried to make this little kid happy at every turn and was that a mistake? Yes. Because there’s times that kids need to be unhappy because of their own behavior or things they did.
Dr. Leman: Even a 13 month old is capable of striking out and attempting to hit you. All those little things. I understand they’re a part of life, but I want you to accept the possibility that maybe you’ve created this little 13 month old, I don’t want to call her a little monster that’s a little too much, but let’s just leave it a powerful child, it sounds better, more civilized. So you have to own up to that. This is the situation that you created. And how long did it take to get you full fledged to this point? Six years of training. So again, what I’m saying is children tend to train us, especially kids who have a powerful leaning in their life. But to create a powerful child, either mom or dad must also be powerful because that that’s how the kid learns the powerful behavior by modeling after you.
Dr. Leman: So with that as a backdrop, you’ve asked a lot of questions and you’ve heard me right? When a child disses you, you follow through and you’ve asked the question, is that immediately? Yes, the answer is immediately. Now there’s some situations, social situations where you can’t act immediately. You’re in a public place, you’re in a concert or in church or whatever, and it might be just ill-advised to act exactly seconds after the incident. But you could also pick up a child and leave and deal with it outside of the avenue that you find yourself. Hitting, for example, you mentioned hitting. A six year old hitting you. You would never tolerate that, for a second. That child, as soon as they hit you, needs to be removed from the scene, put in a space where she is alone. It can be your bedroom. You may have heard me say, “Hold the door.” And she’ll go crazy.
Dr. Leman: She’ll kick the door, she’ll scream and yell and have a major meltdown. Do not open that door until everything’s quiet. Once there’s quiet, you let her out. Ask her if she’s ready to join you. That’s all. But the very next request that she asked for, I don’t care what it is. The answer is no. “Mommy doesn’t feel like getting your glass of milk right now.” So you’re asking questions. Does that mean that she doesn’t get story time that night? Yeah. “Mom doesn’t feel like reading you a story tonight honey.” That’s all. Walk away. And she might cry and throw herself on the floor, just close the door and walk out. You say, well, she’ll come after me now if you’re holding the door, she won’t. She might fall asleep an hour later with her blankie under her arm at the door. So be it.
Dr. Leman: She’s learning by your action that you’re not going to tolerate her powerful like behavior. So those are a few openers Andrea and Doug you heard some of our other questions. Maybe if I missed something you can redirect me to address. But you have to at this point use action and not words.
Doug: Well before we follow up with our questions while we have a great break here, I thought this would be a good spot to do the ebook offer for all our listeners. It’s My Adopted Child, There’s No One Like You. July nine through 15 for $1.999 where eBooks are sold. My Adopted Child, There’s No One Like You. I’m embarrassed to say this Dr. Leman, I did not realize you wrote a book about how to deal with adopted children.
Dr. Leman: Yes, I have and in fact my daughter Hannah, by the way, she was the one I worried about of the five kids. She has developed into an entrepreneur. She adopted two African-American babies at birth. She has helped hundreds of people adopt children in a very easy and economical way. Adoption is a very expensive proposition for many. She has a company called kindred, K-I-N-D-R-E-D Incorporated out of Chicago, Illinois. And that adopted child book is so cute and it shares the loving aspects of adoption from the birth parents point of view as well as the adoptive parents’ point of view. And by the way, this is an ebook that we’re offering you. If you see that book anywhere in hardback, buy it. Just trust me, buy it. If there’s several of them, buy them all. Those are limited edition books.
Dr. Leman: They will become extremely valuable. Keep them in pristine condition if you buy new ones. If you buy a used one, keep it in as good a condition as you can and just wait, trust me on this one. Those are hard to find.
Doug: So you can get that book a July nine through 15 and now no-nonsense parenting advice from Dr. Leman.
Dr. Leman: I wish I could recite the Barney song. We have grandchildren that are young and so we do catch Barney once in a while. But one of the little songs is, everybody does their share clean up, clean up. Something along that line. You get the message. But you know, a home is the sum of a lot of different parts. It seems to me that a home that’s going to thrive, a home that’s going to connect, a home that’s going to move forward and be a pleasurable place for everybody is a place where mom and dad don’t do everything. In too many homes, mom and dad do everything and the kids live off as like freeloaders.
Dr. Leman: What I’m getting at is it’s healthy for every kid to contribute, for every kid to give back to the family. You say, “Well listen, our youngest is three. What’s a three year old going to do?” Well, a three year old can help stack dishes in a Washer, can take clean dishes out of a Washer, can empty wastebaskets. For some of you, they could do your math for you. Just kidding. Anyway, you get the picture. You want to teach kids to be responsible. How do you teach kids to be responsible by obviously giving them responsibility, and those responsibilities get bigger as the years go along. One thing I want to caution parents about, and yes everybody should contribute to the family, but what happens when a kid hits 14 and now they’re in high school and they’re getting more homework and maybe they are in that one activity, and time is really hard for that kid?
Dr. Leman: I think lighten up on the activities or the work that the kid does in the family. Let the younger kids pick up that slack. The older kids tend to get saddled with much more work than younger kids, so make sure you spread that out. But everybody cleans their room, everybody can pick up after themselves. There are just basic things that need to be done. If you want to go as far to assign certain responsibilities to different kids, I would suggest using a color chart, a magnet system on the refrigerator door or something where everybody sees what has to be done on a daily basis. That minimizes the reminders and the coxings and the bribings that you parents do so poorly, it doesn’t help. So make sure everybody does their work.
Dr. Leman: And of course you know this, you’ve listened to me long enough to know if the kid doesn’t clean his room and it’s way past time, yes, you as a parent can go in and clean it for him if you want to, paying yourself for doing it out of his or her allowance. Or you can hire a sibling to do it, which is even better. Paying that other sibling that money for paying her brother or sister’s room. Good luck work on this. This is an ongoing task for every family. Everybody does their part as Barney says.
Doug: So Dr. Leman, I think I’m one of Elizabeth’s core questions was how long does she have to say no for?
Dr. Leman: Yeah, that’s a great question Elizabeth. Thanks, and thanks Doug for the reminder. Different strokes for different folks. No one knows your child better than who, Elizabeth? You. And so for some kids, a whole day of mommy say no will be more than sufficient to get the kid’s attention. There are powerful children in this world who will tell you to your face, “You could do anything you want, but I’m not going to do what you asked me to do.” Those kids, the more defiant ones need a little bit more. So I would say, let your own maternal nose be your judge. For young children, it might be three or four different nos in a given day, maybe it’s a half a day and you’re back to normal. But do not be deceived by the child’s confession of, “I’m sorry.” Powerful children are great at using, I’m sorry, and they learn this real quickly in life as their answer all to get back to the status quo.
Dr. Leman: So if you’ve been suckered by that, then at least forewarn yourself that you can be used by a child’s premature, “Oh, I’m sorry, I didn’t mean that mommy. Would you forgive me?” With big tears in their eyes. My advice is yes, you can forgive them, but the next question they ask, “Can I have this or can we go here or there?” The answer is no. And that’s a way of really making sure that the kid’s I’m sorry was legitimate so to speak. So if you wait till the next day with a six year old, that’s okay. They can last a day of having the n word put to the test. That would be no.
Andrea: The other question she asked was, what kinds of things do I stick to? Do I’d make her fill her own plate, make her own meal?
Dr. Leman: Well yeah, she mentioned a lot of different things. A little phrase I like is, “Honey, you can handle that”, when she’ll come and ask for something or help. “Honey, I’m sure you can handle it.” That’s all. Walk away. In other words, there’s almost an art form in knowing how to react to some of these things. Do I tuck her in bed at night? You could. You might eliminate the story. Again, it’s sort of a touchy feeling. It’s an art form at that point. You know your child best, but don’t be suckered because of the guilt that’s welling up in you because you’ve said no to her so many times. Because if she’s not going to start changing today, tell me Elizabeth, what day will she start changing.
Doug: Dr. Leman I know I ask this question a lot, but I’ve just heard it from parents so often that I’ll just keep asking it. Praise God that moms are so soft and loving and sweet, but in the back of the mind they’ll say, “If I do this, my child will think I hate them and then I will hurt my relationship with them.” Right Andrea? Or whatever form of that takes, right? That if I do this… She’s shaking her head. You can’t hear that Dr. Leman.
Andrea: Sorry.
Doug: How do you answer that mom who’s definitely afraid of that happening?
Dr. Leman: Well, I would say if you’re a person of faith, you really believe what the Bible teaches us. It says that love and discipline are inseparable. You cannot love a child without discipline. So discipline is not only what we pass down to the child in terms of our action, discipline is having the grit inside of you to remain firm and not to cave in. And it’s hard not to cave in. These kids are cute, they’re adorable. They look like your mom. They look like your dad. She has your hair and unfortunately your nose. But I wouldn’t even go there. I mean, they’re your creation. They’re your flesh and blood in most cases. And I’m just saying discipline’s a two way street.
Dr. Leman: So you have to discipline yourself to know that this is good. Let me bring up inoculations, they’re in the news these days. Do inoculations hurt? Do kids cry? Do they fear needles? A lot of them do. My advice, inoculate your children. Is it easy to watch your kid cry? No, but it’s temporary. It goes away. They’ll live through it. You’re the quarterback in your life, parents. These are decisions you have to make, but do not let guilt deter you from using action.
Doug: So my final question is for Elizabeth, whose got a full life of a six and a three and a half year old, I think, is there a book in audio form that she could listen to while she’s chasing kids around that would help her gain the confidence to do this?
Dr. Leman: Yeah, all of my books, I don’t think there’s any books that don’t have adios attached to them anymore. So they’re all available. They’re usually about 20 bucks, 25 bucks and available on Amazon. Like when I go out and speak, I’ll be speaking in New York, in California, in Illinois, Ohio in the near future. I’ll take books with me many times because they want me to. They’ll always ask, “Why don’t you bring your audio books?” Well, we don’t bring them because the plastic cases they come in many times crack, and people don’t want to buy a cracked plastic case for whatever reason. I get it. So we just tell people, go online and pick them up. You can pick them up. They’re a little pricey, but for people who won’t take time to read a book or people who are just busy and want to pop a DVD in a television set or a CD, listen to it in the car, it’s perfect. There’s all kind of reasons-
Doug: Which ones would you recommend? Parenting Your Powerful Child and what else?
Dr. Leman: Parenting Your Powerful Child for sure. Have a New Kid by Friday. Making Children Mine Without Losing Yours. Planet Middle School if you got a middle schooler. Those guys are really weird. Have a New Teenager by Friday. Marvelous book. So again, there’s 60, I think there’s 63 Leman books out there. So if you need encouragement folks, they’re out there and I’m really not trying to hawk my book. Trust me, we sell plenty of books, but it’s a resource. I can promise you this, a Leman book will be practical. You’ll have lots of takeaway in every chapter, and you will tend to chuckle and laugh as you learn. That’s by design. I think learning should be fun at all levels.
Doug: I think they have updated recently Parenting Your Powerful Child and I would highly recommend you start there. If you resonate with what Elizabeth says, I’d go there and get the base of what you’re dealing with. So well, it was great to be with you and as always if you want to keep getting these podcasts, you can hit the subscribe button. You can also pass it on to others that you love and think it would help them. And we look forward to the next time we get to hang out with you and just give you more tools so that you love those kids more and more.
Andrea: Have a great week.
Doug: Take care. Bye Bye.
Andrea: Bye Bye.
]]>Do you and your spouse seem to have the same disputes that have lasted throughout your marriage? What does your marriage look like once your kids are removed from the equation? In today’s episode, Dr. Leman drops some hard truths for the husbands and wives that can’t seem to get over the hurdle.
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Doug Terpening: Do you ever find out that you and your love just can’t seem to get on the same page, after 20 years of marriage you still can’t seem to get on the same page. What do you do and how does that affect your parenting? That’s the question we get asked Doctor Lehman today. Hi, I’m Doug Terpening.
Andrea: And I’m Andrea.
Doug Terpening: And we are so glad that you are with us. If this is your first time, we just want to let you know that this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter it raises any concerns for you or your child, please go seek a local professional for help.
Doug Terpening: Well, Dr. Lehman, here is the topic for today. And this is related to, we’ll make two fictitious people, we’ll call them Andreana and do Dougalaga. How about that? That way we’ll have two random people here, that have been married 20 years, and one of them feels that unless you are working, life is not worth living. And one of them feels like if you aren’t playing, life isn’t working. And after 20 years they still can’t seem to solve this.
Doug Terpening: And they still seem to have this expectation of what it does, and now it’s beginning to affect their children because on the weekends there’s always this fight over what are we actually going to do this weekend? Are we’re actually going to enjoy the basketball game, or are we going to go weed the garden, and blah, blah, blah, and do all these other things. Whoever these fictitious people’s children’s. Now, no Saturday mornings can be filled with tension.
Dr. Kevin Leman: Yeah. Well, anytime you’ve got two captains of the good ship family and they’re pulling the wheel in opposite directions, you’re going to go no place or you’re going to hit a solid wall sooner or later. It’s a directionless ship on the sea of life. And this is signs of competition in a marriage, where somebody has to take the position that I’m right and you’re wrong. So we’ve got two people who are fighting for superiority in the family. It’s an ongoing battle, it’s been going on for 20 years. So you tell me what you think you could do, couple, in this next year, so when you celebrate your 21st anniversary of fighting with each other, that things will be significantly different.
Dr. Kevin Leman: Can you agree to disagree? Is that okay? Can you have different ideas, motives in a marriage? Yes, you can. But there has to be a respectful appreciation for who the other person is. And you guys, I think I’ll call you Joe and Mary, which I think are much better names than what Mr Terpening came up with.
Andrea: Yes. I think so too.
Dr. Kevin Leman: You, Joe, have to understand that you’ve missed it here. You have not been the man you need to be. You have not been the leader you need to be. You have not been the lover you need to be, that one hurt, I know Joe. Mary, not to let you off the hook, you haven’t been a good wife. You haven’t been a good partner. You’ve thought about yourself, not your husband. You’re easily offended, so is he. I mean, we got a cat and a dog in a bag, is what we’ve got here, and you shake it up for good measure, you can’t even get through a Saturday without having a blowout about what are we going to do?
Dr. Kevin Leman: I vote you do nothing. I vote you sit in chairs opposite each other, and just look at each other and don’t say a word. Do that the whole weekend. You say, “Lehman, you’re drinking. What is wrong with you? Where are you getting this from?” Well, I mean really, you’d be money ahead to do that than what you’re doing right now. You’d do less damage to your kids than the dog and pony show you guys create. See, you’re the producer of this, you’re the director. You’re the lighting director, you’re the audio person. You orchestrate this for your own selfish reasons. You’re a selfish couple, tell you the truth. You care too much about yourself and not enough about other people, so you deserve each other. How do you like that? Now you’re really mad at me, and I’m saying did it hurt each other. But you do. I mean, really, you’re pitiful as a couple.
Dr. Kevin Leman: I mean, do it a democratic way. Okay, this weekend we do everything you want to do Joe, and next weekend, Mary, we do everything you want to do. I mean, if it has to be that elementary, so be it. But that’s a lousy way to run a marriage and to run a family, and what do you think your kids are feeling watching this dog and pony show? Where do they get the self confidence and the nurture? From these two selfish people? I don’t think so. So as your kids grow older, 20 years married, I’m assuming you’ve got kids that might be in the teenage years, your life’s going to get rockier. I don’t know what else to tell you. You know.
Doug Terpening: These are ingrained hypothetically, ingrained, this is the right way to do it. Right? And they’re not in agreement.
Andrea: Values.
Doug Terpening: There’s almost like a written something that says this is how it should be. How do we get rid of that? What is that?
Dr. Kevin Leman: Well, you have to, you know, I’ve said many times that when two people get married, how many people are actually getting married?
Doug Terpening: Three. No, four. Six.
Dr. Kevin Leman: Six, I knew the Terpenine’s would come through. Two tries, but they got it right. They’ve only heard me say this a thousand times. You can’t get good help these days. That’s all I can tell you. But anyway, we move along. Ouch, that hurt didn’t it? You know I love you. But you know, what I’m saying is, look back at your families that you came out of. Can you not see the seeds that were planted years ago based upon how you were brought up, and how you were treated, and your relationship with your mom, and your dad, and your sisters, and your brothers? You can’t see from whence you came? I’m telling you, you have learned these destructive patterns way before you met each other, by the way.
Dr. Kevin Leman: And so you come together in a very neurotic relationship, where you’re trying to solve your own self worth through marriage. Marriage isn’t about solving yourself worth. You know, you want to go talk to a shrink at 350 bucks a pop, go ahead and do it, but I don’t know how much that’s going to help you. I think you have to look inside yourself. You have to humble yourself before your mate, you have to humble yourself before your children, and if you’re a person of faith, which I hope you are, you have to humble yourself before God Almighty.
Dr. Kevin Leman: And say, “Lord, we need help. I can’t do this on my own.” There’s a little wonderful scripture with God, all things are possible, even for a miserable couple like you.
Doug Terpening: So what is it doing to our children?
Dr. Kevin Leman: It destroys them. It takes the foundation away. It builds insecurity in their life. They become carrot seekers, and by that I mean they’ll do anything to get the approval of other people because you guys are so busy with your own battles, you don’t have time to enrich these kids’ lives. You don’t have time to believe in what they’re thinking and saying. You don’t have time to talk with them because you’re at war with your partner. I mean, really, life is short. Take a look at the calendar, it’s been 20 years. What are the next 20 going to be like? I’d love to be there as your celebrate your 50th, that ought to be a great party.
Doug Terpening: So you have written a book, Intimate Connections. What would that book say to this couple about what they’re doing?
Dr. Kevin Leman: If they read the book in full honesty, I think they would cry when they finish the last page, and they would say, “Wow, we have really blown an opportunity to make a difference in our kids’ lives.” And then my fear would be, that guilt would take over and you would try to do everything in your power to just do things for your children, which would probably be the worst thing you could possibly do. And by things I mean giving them things, and over apologizing to them for your own behavior.
Dr. Kevin Leman: But you know, I’ve often said, action not words, and the actions can start today. I’ll tell you, picking up a copy of The Intimate Connection, you would read that, and you’d say, “There are marriages like this?” Yes, there are lots of marriages like this. The Intimate Connection is the utopia. It’s feeling like you can tell your mate everything and know that you’re not going to be judged, that you’re going to be met with compassion and love and understanding.
Dr. Kevin Leman: And for you, Joe and Mary, and I know there’s thousands of you out there, you have to put down the weapons. You have to reduce your arsenal. All the barbs that you say with that little rudder that’s in your mouth called a tongue. You need some time to look in the mirror, and pray this prayer, “God help me to love me as I know you love me.” Like I say, there has to be a submission, not only to each other, but to almighty God. You don’t need just a couple spark plugs changed, you need a whole redo of your marital engine. I wish you the best, you need it.
Doug Terpening: Wow. Well, we’re going to read the book, hypothetically, for that couple. They need to read that book. Well, since this is a pause while I collect my thoughts here, for a moment, I’d better do this. Again, for podcast listeners, there’s the eBook promotion from the good folks at Bicker, and this one is, Have a New teenager by Friday, July 2nd through the eighth for $3.99, How to Have a New Teenager by Friday, eBook version. Dr. Lehman, Have a New Teenager by Friday. What is it about?
Dr. Kevin Leman: It’s an award winning book, okay, that gives you practical ideas. I mean, go on Amazon and read the reviews of the book. You’ll see what other parents say. “This book is fantastic.” “It’s wonderful.” “It gave me a plethora of ideas about handle various situations with this teenager.” Teenagers are weird, but they’re fun. You know, I’ve been asked what the teenagers were like in the Lehman family. I can tell you, we raised five of them without a ripple. And we had fun with them, we roll with the punches. We held firm. We weren’t pushovers our no was no, our yes was yes. And the kids understood that.
Dr. Kevin Leman: And today they’re adults, obviously, and they love each other, and they even love their parents. So if that’s anywhere within your aspirations to grow kids who will someday rise up and call you blessed, the Have a New Teenager by Friday book is solid gold for $3.99. I’d download it on every appliance I had, I’d put it on my toaster if I could.
Doug Terpening: Great. Thank you for that. And now, no nonsense parenting advice from Dr. Kevin Leman.
Dr. Kevin Leman: Here’s one for you, and it’s not even, brought to you by State Farm Insurance, but when do you let your son or daughter drive the family car? That’s the question. I get asked that a lot. Well, obviously you have to wait until they’re of age, and most states at 16 when they can get a permit. Some states you can get it 15 and a few months. But here’s the question I’d ask you to ask yourselves. Did that son or daughter take care of their bike? Did they take care of other things they’ve owned along the way? Or were they the ones that just threw things down, left things out in the rain, didn’t seem to take much care and pride in what you got them?
Dr. Kevin Leman: If that’s the case, I’d be leery at the get-go to think that I’m going to hand the keys over to a kid who hasn’t got a good track record of taking care of things. If I’m going to give my son or daughter a car, I want to know that they’re going to take pride in the fact that I believe in them, that I trust him with this automobile, that if there’s an accident, could cost me a lot of grief, time and money. So that’s checkpoint number one.
Dr. Kevin Leman: Checkpoint number two. Is your son or daughter responsible in the general sense? Do they get good grades in school? I mean, insurance companies will offer you a discount if they have a B average or above. So these are all sort of background things. Then when you come to, when do you let a kid drive the family car? There has to be some rules governing the use of family car, and who better to come up with those rules than your son or your daughter. They’ll be tougher on themselves. Trust me, we did this with all of our kids.
Dr. Kevin Leman: And by the way, I taught four of our five kids to drive. By the time the fifth one came around, I went a Mr. B’s Driving School, or something to that effect, and they did a great job, and it saved me a lot of stress, let’s put it that way. If you’ve taught kids to drive, you’d know what I’m talking about. Oh my goodness, we have some stories in the Lehman family about that wonderful adventure.
Dr. Kevin Leman: But the point is, you give the keys to the car to a kid when you could really honestly look yourself in the mirror, and say, “You know, I really trust this son. I really trust this daughter. They’ve got good judgment.” And of course, you do have to make sure they’re ready to take the wheel of that car by themselves. And obviously, there’s a lot of time and hours spent with supervision before you turn those kids loose.
Dr. Kevin Leman: You know, I’m well past Social Security age now, and I still remember what my father told me. “Never make a left-hand turn until you can see the complete lane.” To this day, I have never, ever taken a left hand turn without seeing that clear lane. That’s how you stay out of terrible accidents, isn’t it? So we all need guidance from our parents. Hey, give your kids guidance. But do you really trust them? Are they really responsible? Those are the questions only you can answer.
Doug Terpening: So Dr. Lehman, coming back to Joe and Mary, one doubt that might be in Joe’s mind is, you know, this is a 20 year problem. Will reading a book versus going to a shrink or some other drastic measure, will a book really help that marriage?
Dr. Kevin Leman: Yeah. Here’s what I would suggest to you, Joe and Mary. I’d get two copies of the book in hand. Okay? Again, they’re very reasonably priced, and I’d highlight them with different colored markers. So pick a yellow, or a pink, or whatever you want, highlight the parts that really speak to you. And then, do the creditable thing, do the honest thing, do the right thing. And just give your book that you read to your husband, and write a little love note in it. I know you’ve been at war for 20 years, okay, but right in the front part of the book, there’s room there, a couple of blank pages, a little love note to your mate, and exchange those books. And then, pay particular attention to what Joe and Mary have underscored in that book, because those are the sore points, and that gives you a starting point where you can sit down and address in a civil manner.
Dr. Kevin Leman: Okay, now fighting is your go-to, so in other words, the paradigm is, you get to speak for, let’s say two minutes. Then your mate gets to parrot back what they thought they heard you say. If they didn’t hear it right, then you get 30 seconds just to rephrase it or clarify it, and go back and forth like that. And follow those limits, those minutes, and those second limits, because if you don’t, you’ll end up in a big old brouhaha again.
Dr. Kevin Leman: If you have to bring in a timer, bring in a timer. Almost all cell phones have timers, I believe. But make it a priority. If you do, and this isn’t easy, this is gut wrenching, because you’re going to have to face the ugly person you are in many aspects of your life, that’s not easy to do. Nobody likes doing that. But just like the dentist, if you don’t remove that plaque, down the road you’re going to have more than major problems facing you. So I wish you the best.
Andrea: So Dr. Lehman, just hypothetically, thinking this through, what do you do when you just feel so justified by your belief, and probably your mate does, feels just as justified in their stance?
Dr. Kevin Leman: You feel justified because your offense is your defense. You don’t want to look inside, you don’t want to owe up to your part. Like I say, fighting’s an actually of cooperation. So the person who is just hardened, that, I can’t get by what you’ve done to me, kind of thing, that’s saying really loud and clear that I admit that I am not part of this whatsoever. It’s your fault Joe. It’s your fault Mary. So if you do that, you’ve just wasted a lot of time, and money, and effort, you haven’t gotten anywhere, and you’re not going to get anywhere. You have to humble yourself.
Doug Terpening: How do you get to the point where you really can see that, I might possibly be wrong here, like, what triggers that?
Dr. Kevin Leman: I think an over-zealousness about self, and how important you are. And I’ve often told people, take a globe, you don’t see globes very often, any more. Physical globes you can hold in your hand. They look probably twice the size of a basketball, and hold it in your hands, and try to find the United States, or Canada, or Australia, or South Africa, or wherever you live. Try to find it on a globe. Okay, now you found the country. Now see if you can find the city that you live in.
Dr. Kevin Leman: On a globe, you probably won’t find it unless it’s a huge city. Well, point to the area with your finger. Take a pen and try to make a little tiny dot on that globe to signify where your hometown is. And realize, the very small part of this world that you and I are. And as you hold that globe in your hand, realize there’s one who spoke that world into existence. That Earth that we live on is suspended in thin air. Wow! What an awesome God to create that.
Dr. Kevin Leman: Now maybe you don’t believe in God. If you don’t, I don’t know what to tell you. Go get a copy of Oprah’s magazine and enjoy it. But if you’re a person of faith, you have to realize that God is who he says he was, and is, and with God’s help, all things are what? Possible. So again, I think there’s a spiritual battle, Joe and Mary, that’s going on in your life, and unless you acknowledge that and submit to his awesome authority, you’re not going to get anyplace.
Dr. Kevin Leman: So continue living your miserable life, and watch your kids pay for that miserable life that you’ve lived in front of them. That’s a sad commentary, isn’t it? Only you can do something about this. Smokey the Bear says, “Only you can prevent forest fires.” Yeah, only you and lightening, but you get the point.
Doug Terpening: Well, thank you Dr. Leman, for that. Well, hopefully Joe and Mary gained something from this episode that they can use and apply. And thank you for writing the book, Intimate Connections, to give people hope that there can be a difference. And I love the idea of the two highlighters to help others understand each other again. And hypothetically, if Joe were around he would probably say, “You know what? The reminder is, that if I know that in the parenting side, if I invest in the books and the effort, it pays off, and it’s worth it.”
Dr. Kevin Leman: I’ve got another thought. I wonder how many people are going to have discussion about, “Hey, did you hear the Lehman podcast? Did you hear about Joe and Mary? I wonder if that’s Ron and Charlene?” I wonder how many people are going to think, “I think I know who that,” because there’s lots of Joe’s and Mary’s in the world. Trust me.
Doug Terpening: Well, for all the Joe’s and Mary’s out there that are doing the best you can. The thing I realized, and Dr. Lehman, you attest to it, some day these kiddos are going to leave, I see that day fast approaching, and it’s just going to be you and the Mrs. So it’s worth it, because it’s just the two of you that are going to be having dinner together. So, thank you Dr. Lehman, a ton. Go get the book, Intimate Connections. You can get it on audio book, so as you’re driving to work you can listen to it. You can get it wherever books are sold, however you consume them, get it. And again, you will think Dr. Lehman a bazillion for it later.
Doug Terpening: Well, that’s it for today, and as always, we’d love for you to pass on news, if you hear something that you think would bless somebody else, you can always go to however you share stuff, on Snapchat, or Instagram, or Facebook, and forward on the latest podcast, and say, “This might bless you.” You can always go to birthorderguy.com to get more resources and insights as well.
Doug Terpening: Well, we love being with you and adding to your parenting toolbox, and we look forward to the next time we get to hang out with you.
Andrea: Have a good week.
Doug Terpening: Take care. Bye-bye.
]]>It’s time for another Ask Dr. Leman! When your 9 year old calls you a bad mom, how do you handle it? Learn what Dr. Leman has to say about powerful children in today’s episode.
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Doug: Does your kid call you a bad mom every day? How do you deal with verbal attacks from your children? That’s the question that we get to ask Dr. Leman, and get you that answer.
Doug: Hi, I’m Doug Terpening.
Andrea: And I’m Andrea.
Doug: And we are so fantabulously glad that you are with us today. And I just want to let you know that if this is your first time with us, this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or your child, please go seek a local professional for help.
Doug: So on today’s episode we get to do one of my favorite things, which is answer your audio question that you leave. And if you’re wondering, “Hey, I want to leave an audio question,” you can do that by going to birthorderguy.com/podcastquestion to leave your very own question. Let’s get in today’s episode and hear what Kathy has to say.
Kathy: Hello Dr. Leman. My question is, I have a nine-year-old who has some very ingrained, set behavior patterns. My husband and I divorced two years ago and he’s been very angry about that. And he gives me a very hard time and tells me that I’m not a good mom pretty much every day. I’m a Christian and I’m constantly working on bettering myself. However, reading your book and even applying your tools just never seems to fully get his behavior to change and turn around. And I don’t know what else to do. The main issue is that he is very unkind to his younger sister. He’s nine and his sister is six. And I tell them that that is not allowed in our home, and there’s consequences given, but … He’s gotten better. However, he still does it all the time. And then he accuses me of being mean to him because I’m parenting him, and it just gets this vicious cycle, and it’s very exhausting.
Dr. Leman: Yeah, well it is exhausting. They wear you down. Well, there’s so many things going on here. First of all, he’s nine years old. Okay? And the divorce two years ago, and he’s bitter and angry about it. I mean, you have to understand what’s happened to him. You took his world and you shattered it when you guys divorced. He was just seven years old. And I realize there’s reasons for divorce. I don’t want to make you feel worse by saying what I just said. But you have to understand the reality from behind his eyes. Life has hurt him. It sucker punched him right in the stomach. So if I feel hurt by life as a 7-year-old, how do I behave toward other people? And of course you always hurt. This is the name of a song. you always hurt what? The ones you love.
Dr. Leman: And so he is striking out. He is saying behaviorally, “I am so angry that you two couldn’t keep your act together and give our family a solid foundation.” He’s angry about it, and you’re available, so your number one target. Guess who number two target is? Six-year-old sister. So he rips on her. You have to get good, Kathy, at verbalizing what you think your son feels behind his eyes. And in fact, this might help with the six-year-old. You can pull him aside and have a talk along the lines of, you know, “I’ve noticed something about your sister. She’s really sort of a pain, isn’t she? I can see she does things that upset you and sometimes there’s little things that maybe she does do that I don’t even see. And then I think I get mad at you because you’re older than she is.”
Dr. Leman: If you talk to your nine-year-old like that, he’s going to start figuring out, “Wait a minute. Mom’s a little smarter than I’ve given her credit for, here.” But you can, and I think you said you can’t implement some of these things. You can. You can do this. You need to be in authority. But what you have to understand is this little enemy of yours who you love with all your heart … I say the enemy because right now he’s hurting and he’s striking out. He knows how to punch your buttons. He knows how to punch your guilty buttons. And so you say there’s consequences. Well, I’m wondering what kind of consequences. Next time he tells you that you’re a lousy mom, I would simply say to him, “Excuse me, I want to make sure I understood what you just said. You said, I’m a lousy mom? A bad mom?” Just clarify it. Okay? Give him a look, that, “I get it.” Okay? And count the seconds or minutes before that nine-year-old wants something. Whether it’s, “Mommy, would you tuck me in now?”
Dr. Leman: “Dr. Leman, you’re not going to tell me not to tuck my kid in, I hope.” Yes, I just did. You need to show that you’re a human being; that you’re worthy of respect as a woman and as a mom. And he can find someone who’s not a lousy person, who’s not a bad mom to tuck them in at night. You say, “Well, there’s only my six-year-old and a dog here.” Well, those are your choices.
Dr. Leman: In other words, you have to play hardball. This is a powerful kid. Number one, he’s developed … He’s gone from attention getting to powerful. In fact, there is obviously some hurt feelings on his part, and so he’s striking back.
Dr. Leman: And so you can do this, Kathy. You can be firm. And what happens is, the guilt overwhelms you and even some of the things that I brought up in my response today is making you feel guilty, about what I said about divorce.
Dr. Leman: Well, I got news for you. Divorce hurts everybody. It rarely solves a problem. But you have to deal with what it is, and I don’t know all the circumstances of … If he was abusive to you in any way, I’d be the first to say, “Kathy, you need to get a divorce. You need to get out of there.” So I’m not anti-divorce completely, but divorce usually doesn’t solve things.
Dr. Leman: But when you draw a line with this nine-year-old, he’s going to see you mean business. And your stock, so to speak, is going to go up in his eyes when you stop doing the things you do for him every day. For example, do pack a lunch for him? If you do, why don’t you stop? “Mom, where’s my lunch?” “I didn’t feel like making a lunch today.” “Mom, I need something to eat.” “Well, honey, the school bus is going to be here in seven minutes. So you better grab something and put it in a bag.” That’ll rock him. He won’t know what hit him. At least you get to a point where you can talk.
Andrea: So Dr. Leman, I’m wondering, is she supposed to … The first thing that he requests after he tells her that she’s a lousy mom, that’s when she’s supposed to start this, “I’m not doing that”? So say he says, “You’re a lousy mom,” and it’s right before bedtime. And then he says, “Who’s tucking me in? Are you going to tuck me in?”
Dr. Leman: Yeah. “I don’t feel like tucking you in.”
Andrea: So not just out of the blue.
Dr. Leman: Let me ask you a question, Andrea. Was, “You’re a lousy mom,” out of the blue?
Andrea: I guess it was, yeah.
Dr. Leman: Yeah, right. So you respond in kind. [crosstalk] play on words.
Andrea: So just as soon as she hears this podcast, first thing she sees him, she just starts …
Dr. Leman: Well, here’s the question. Okay? We’re on live TV right now. We’re doing a talk show. And Kathy says, “Well, Dr. Leman, I don’t know if I can do that.” And I’d come back with, “Kathy, well let me ask you a question. How are things working out for you right now?” And she says, “What? Well that’s why I’m here. I need some help.” Well, then you have to listen to the help. He’s a powerful kid, so he won’t like it when you’re powerful back; when you’re decisive back with him. But he will respect it, and he’ll figure out real quickly, “You know what? I need my mommy, and what I said was wrong.”
Dr. Leman: And so it gets you to a point where you can at least talk turkey. I mean, as Helen Reddy said years ago, “It’s you and me against the world.” And there she is now, a single mom with two little kids, and I’m assuming she’s working for a living and trying to do all those things single moms do at once, which is near impossible to pull off. Hard enough to do it when you got a help mate. But I’m just saying, you got to cut to the chase and you need to get to a place where we either have a relationship, honey, or not.
Doug: So Dr. Leman, what I think a lot of moms are asking themselves is this: If I don’t talk my kid in, or if I say no, what is it going to do-
Andrea: Is it going to be worse? Is he just going to blow up?
Dr. Leman: Well, is it better to slow leak the relationship to death, or have a blowout? That’s one question I would ask our listeners. I think it’s better to have a blowout. But here’s what you have to understand. Guilt … And I’ll bet you guys can recite this, because I’ve said it so many times. Guilt is the propellant for most of the lousy decisions you make as a parent. And women tend to be the guilt gatherers of life. Men don’t gather guilt in great amounts. It’s the women who are the guilt gatherers. So this little guy has figured out ways of making you cringe inside; to make you buckle; to make you not follow through, which isn’t good for your family, Kathy.
Dr. Leman: So you know, if you feel like I’ve been beating you up on the podcast today, I want you to know that if that’s your perception, I’m beating you up out of love because you need to change your behavior and no one but you can change your behavior, Kathy. No one. And so this is a tough decision on your part.
Andrea: So what’s he going to do when she pulls this out the first time? I know you’ve talked before about the fish out of water idea. Is that what she’ll be experiencing?
Dr. Leman: Yeah. He’s going to have a meltdown. He might throw a giant temper tantrum. I mean, go to your bedroom, lock the door, go to sleep, turn the music on, whatever it takes. If you engage in battle, you’re telling him that his tactics are working and it’s going to do nothing but get worse and continue.
Doug: Well, Kathy, I really hope this helps you a lot and all the other moms that are out there listening. And again, I can’t say it enough, go get the book Parenting Your Powerful Child by Dr. Kevin Leman. I’m just telling you, read this book. It will give you the confidence so … You can hear these words, and I bet you in your mind you’re like, “I want to do this,” but in your heart you don’t have it yet. Read that book so that it’ll help get it from your head to your heart so that you really can have the freedom to have the relationship you want with this kid. And I’m just telling you, it works. I’m telling you. Dr. Leman, one of his favorite phrases is step over the child, not on the child. We’ve done it and it works.
Dr. Leman: Yeah. Let me say one other thing to you, Kathy. Our sweet Andrea would love to send you a teddy bear of, a bouquet of flowers, and a day trip to the local spa. I know this woman’s heart, and right now, in her heart, she’s praying for you. Okay?
Andrea: Really, we’re not all here to beat you up.
Dr. Leman: Yeah, she’s not the tougher side of the terpenes. Let it go at that.
Andrea: How do you know that, Dr. Leman?
Dr. Leman: I love you. You know that, but I do know you.
Doug: Well, Kathy, Andrea’s got that teddy bear and flowers coming, and to the rest of you, we love answering your questions so much, and we’d love helping you. So one of the ways you can do that is you can subscribe to the podcast so it comes to you, and you can also go to birthorderguy.com to get more resources, or you can leave your own question there. So go to birthorderguy.com/podcastquestions and leave it there.
Doug: Well, we love being with you and we’d love adding to your parenting toolbox so you can love those kids more and more and more. We look forward to the next time we get to be with you.
Andrea: Have a great week.
Doug: Bye-bye.
]]>Moms, do you feel like you wash the clothes, feed the family, do all the chores and hardly receive a word of appreciation? In today’s episode, Dr. Leman stresses the importance of appreciating moms in the household and a mother can be proactive to get the appreciation she deserves.
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Doug: On today’s episode of Have a New Kid, with Dr. Kevin Leman, do you feel like you do everything and nobody cares?
Andrea: Yeah.
Doug: Do you feel like you wash the clothes, feed the family, vacuum, go to work, come home.
Andrea: And they just bring the mess back?
Doug: Yes, and nobody ever appreciates you. That’s the question we get to ask Dr. Leman. How do I deal with that feeling? Hi, I’m Doug Terpening.
Andrea: And I am Andrea.
Doug: Obviously you feel very personal about this Andrea. If this happens to be your first time with us, we’re so glad that you are here. Just want to let you know this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or your child, please go seek a local parishioner for help. Andrea, you are the resident mom here between the two of us.
Andrea: Yes.
Doug: Do you ever feel underappreciated?
Andrea: You know, work just keeps coming back. You wash the dishes, you vacuum, you wash the laundry, you clean the toilet, and it just gets dirty again. I think that because it’s just the regular routine things of life, nobody really seems to recognize it and sometimes it’s hard to get people to chip in and help.
Doug: Dr. Leman, how do we help these moms and dads, I guess, who say, “I just never, ever, feel appreciated. Nobody ever cares that what I do.” How can we help those parents?
Dr. Leman: Well, I think I can be of help on this one, but I have to, in all truthfulness, share something with you.
Andrea: Oh.
Dr. Leman: Let’s see. I’m trying to think how many years ago that was. Probably, gosh, probably goes back about 30 years of my life, but we had at the time three children. One day my wife decided, I think she was very frustrated, and some of the things that Andrea just said were probably pertinent in my wife’s life at that point. She was so frustrated one day that she took a banana peel, and she laid it on the floor in the hallway that enters into our kitchen area.
Dr. Leman: She said she sat and had a cup of coffee as the three kids came out one at a time, each of them pausing looking at the banana peel on the floor, and proceeded right past it. But what gives me great grief this morning as I revisit that thought in my memory bank is this, she said, “But you, you not only stopped and stared at it, you kicked it to the side.”
Dr. Leman: You know folks, I’m just telling you, I’ve been there. I wasn’t always as smart as I might appear on some of these podcasts. I was dumb as a rock. You know, it is so easy to take someone, especially if that someone is that pleaser personality, that one that says, “Can’t we all just get along? Can’t we all just be happy? What are you possibly complaining about? Can’t you just keep your hands to yourself? Do you always have to be picking on your sister or your brother?”
Dr. Leman: If you’re that personality, you can probably relate to what Andrea has said, or what I have said just a few moments ago. No one gives moms, especially stay at home moms, respect, in the truest sense of the word in our society.
Dr. Leman: Imagine two women talking, and they haven’t seen each other for ages. Maybe they went to college or high school together and they meet in a grocery store, and a simple exchange of a, “Well, what are you doing?” “Oh, well I’m assistant director of finance, down at the loan company, and what do you do?” “Well, I’m home with my children.” “Oh, oh. Looks like it’s going to cloud up and rain today.” All of a sudden, the conversation gets switched. It’s like my condolences, you’re down there, you’re a stay at home mom.
Dr. Leman: I would appeal to every man that’s listening, okay. Whether your wife is in a work place in the home, or the work place out of the home, now, notice how I’m saying that. Those are both work places. They need your respect and appreciation for the femininity that is brought to your family. Just like kids need masculinity in their life, they need femininity in their life. There has to be a good dosage of both.
Dr. Leman: The smart husband will begin to take note of his bride. For example, tonight at dinner, what normally happens in your home? Who serves what? Who gets up from her chair more than anybody else at the dinner table? I’ll tell you who it is, it’s mom. Next time mom starts to get up, gentlemen, what I’m asking you to do is say, “Honey, stay seated, I’ll get that.”
Dr. Leman: In other words, here’s a great opportunity to value, to show an action, how much you appreciate this woman who contributes so much, not only to your life gentlemen, but to your kids lives. Again, I’m putting this on you men. When you see or hear your daughter or your son be disrespectful to your bride, to their mom, I want you to step up to the plate. Man up, and set that kid straight, that you do not talk to your mom like that for any reason, at any time. You follow through with a discipline. I always say, “Let the reality of the situation become the teacher to the child,” so that kid has to pay for that, emotionally. He’s got to feel the brunt of your dislike for what happened.
Dr. Leman: For you moms who are just so frustrated that you don’t know what to do, and maybe you in your mind think you’ve tried everything, have you tried going on strike? It’d be a great idea. What would happen in your home ladies, if just for seven days you did nothing?
Andrea: Seven days?
Dr. Leman: Imagine what would happen. What I’m saying is you don’t do laundry, you don’t make a bed, you do nothing. You don’t cook a meal, you don’t make a lunch for a kid, you don’t drive them anywhere, you don’t do anything.
Andrea: Do you recommend this?
Dr. Leman: Oh I think in situations where you really feel like you’re just being dissed, yes, because I think it puts the onus on everybody to understand the huge job that a mom does in a home every day. I think sometimes you have to go on strike.
Andrea: I was going to ask you about, I remember you talking about maybe mom just saying, “I’m not making dinner and getting in the car and driving away during dinner,” but seven days, that’s a long time to …
Doug: Andrea, could you even do three days?
Dr. Leman: What would happen to you if you did exactly what the good Dr. Leman said to do, and after three days, Doug and your four children were surrounding you saying, “Mom, whatever you’re doing, stop. We’re sorry for whatever we did.” I mean, you’d come back. You’d come back at three days or two days, but I’m saying, give them a dose of reality discipline. “I’m not the slave dog, I’m not the maid in this home, I’m your mom, I’m your wife.”
Andrea: Yeah, I like that how you say, “Maid or mom, or … ”
Doug: Is this a hotel, or a home?
Andrea: A hotel or a home? Right.
Doug: Andrea, could you go for three days and do nothing around the house?
Andrea: Probably if I was not here physically. Like if I went away for three days, but to be here and to see the stuff piling up and to see the mess, that would be difficult.
Doug: Oh, but still then, we’re not going to appreciate her, are we Dr. Leman, if she’s always jumping in to fix things?
Dr. Leman: No, you’d have to live with the clutter. Don’t go to a hotel, that’s too expensive. Most families couldn’t do that. But if you put a smile underneath your face so to speak, smile in your heart, okay?
Andrea: Uh-huh (affirmative).
Dr. Leman: You can look like an old grump as you’re stepping over laundry and shoes left in the doorway and all kinds of things. Do what I did to that banana, kick it to the side. Keep walking.
Doug: Dr. Leman, here’s the sad reality, so I’m going to look more like a jerk. In three days, I would probably maybe notice, maybe not notice, right?
Andrea: Really?
Doug: Yeah, really.
Andrea: Like the dishes piled up around the sink?
Doug: It doesn’t bother me. It doesn’t. Now if it were five days, I would then notice it. You’re right Dr. Leman, she has to be a long time.
Andrea: Because you’d be like, “I can’t find a bowl to eat out of.”
Doug: All the cereal would be gone, all the milk would be gone, now I’d have to do something.
Dr. Leman: Andrea, you married a slow learner. I can’t help that, that was your choice.
Doug: I think there’s some fun in this. I always say, “If it’s not fun, I don’t want to do it.”
Andrea: I’d have to plan and get some good books to read, and make a plan with my girlfriends to go on a hike one day, so that … just really just kind of do what I want to do.
Dr. Leman: Listen, I’ve said many times, for kids who come home and both parents are not home, okay? They’re both working. Many families have rules like 13 year old and 14 year old are going to get dinner ready. There’s rules, take out the chicken, do this, do that, and nothing is done and mom comes home. I’ve always said that, “Mom, when the kids have failed to do what they’re supposed to do, don’t jump in and do it for them, go make yourself a cup of tea, turn on TV, put your nose in a book, whatever is your pleasure.
Dr. Leman: When the kids come in and they’re all starving and your husband’s starving as well, and they say, “When are we going to eat?” Say, “Honey, I’ll be more than happy to start dinner when you guys are finished what you were supposed to do and the kitchen is cleaned, then I’ll start dinner. If it’s at 9:00, it’s at 9:00.” Or, mom gets in the car, goes to Denny’s, buys one of those expensive Grand Slams, enjoys her dinner in solitude and comes home, and goes to bed. I’m telling you, if she did that, that husband’s going to feel guilty and so are those kids.
Dr. Leman: That’s good guilt to put on husband and kids, because again, if you don’t take a stand for yourself, nobody’s going to stand for you.
Andrea: Is there an underlying belief that this mom has that she has to do all this and then she has to feel appreciated? Is there something deeper going on here for this mom?
Dr. Leman: I think she just deserves respect. She knows that she’s not getting it, and she feels used. Who likes feeling used?
Andrea: Yeah, nobody.
Dr. Leman: It’s just simple courtesy. But see, if mom is always there to do it, you know the old saying, “You don’t miss the water until the well runs dry,” how true is that statement?
Doug: Well, I know you’re crazy Dr. Leman, and half the things you say, I think, “This guy’s nuts,” right? But Andrea and the kids all went to a tournament, they’re in a speech and debate club, so they were gone for four or five days. As soon as Andrea walked in the door, I mobbed her with appreciation, because it’s like, “Do you know how much you do around here every day? So you’re right, if mom went on strike for five days … I remember, right?
Andrea: And you were home alone.
Doug: I was home alone, right? I didn’t even have to take care of all the kids and all that, you’re right. If she did, that husband would wake up to it.
Dr. Leman: Mrs. Uppington, God bless Mrs. Uppington. She’s still sleeping by the way, she’ll be up about 10:30. She went to Chicago to help our daughter who has little three year old twins, okay. She left for 10 days. I wish you had a video camera and you could just film what my family room looked like. I had a bathrobe over a chair, a couple of pairs of shorts, socks on the floor, flippers, tennis shoes, had a lot of work on a coffee table, I was working on a book project. It looked like a barnyard to put it bluntly.
Dr. Leman: Now, we have conversations at night, “Honey, how was your day?” “Oh honey, my day was fine, had a good day.” We fill each other in. I never tell her that I’m in a man cave, but the night before she comes home, I’m telling you, I live like a slob. I had dirty dishes, I got a pie tin, I ate a whole pie that week. It was terrible, it was disgusting. I’m glad no one came over to the house, I’d be embarrassed.
Dr. Leman: But the night before, I go Uh-oh, she’s coming back. I’m really smart enough to clean up the dishes and wipe the counter tops off, she loves clean countertops. My goodness, she’s got an obsession with clean countertops. I put everything away, hung stuff up and took the garbage out, and did all those little manly things I do normally, and she walks in and I’ll never forget, she said, “Oh honey, geeze, the house looks great.” I … “Oh yeah, I try to keep up with it honey.”
Doug: That’s [inaudible 00:12:51].
Dr. Leman: It is what it is, you know.
Doug: It is what it is, what it is. Well, I have one more question but I’m going to forget to give you the eBook special, so I better do it now. The eBook special this week is, Why Your Best is Good Enough. June 18 to 24 of 2019 for $1.99. Dr. Leman, Why Your Best is Good Enough, what is this book about?
Dr. Leman: That book is an outgrowth of the Birth Order book. You’ve heard me talk about people who are procrastinators, the people who live in piles, the people who run late for things. If you’re one of those people who feel like you don’t measure up, you don’t jump high enough, you’re never doing things right enough, wow, is this a book for you. I get so many wonderful comments about this little book, Why Your Best is Good Enough.
Dr. Leman: If you’re one of those people who like to should on yourself, or should on other people, and if you have an honest talk with yourself, you’re sort of disappointed in who you are, this is a book for you to read. Well worth $1.99. My goodness, there’s a bargain for you.
Doug: Awesome. Get it now, June 18 to 24. Now, straight talk with Dr. Kevin Leman.
Dr. Leman: You know, I get asked a lot, “How do I help my kids get good friends?” Well, number one, you don’t pick their friends for them, but you have to be smart. You have to play live smart. Hey parents, you see a young man, or a young woman, who at first glance you take a look at and say, “Hmm, that seems like a nice young man, that seems like a nice young woman.” What do you do? Do you nudge your son or daughter and say, “Hey, check that young lady out,” or “Check this guy out. This looks like that might be a good friend for you.” No, that’s not what you do. But you engage that person. You find a way to engage them.
Dr. Leman: Now yes, your son or daughter might be sitting there with their hands in their pocket, whatever, wondering what mom is possibly up to, but again, the whole idea is to give opportunity to your son or daughter to bring people where? Into your home. We talk about finding good friends for your kids, you got to ask yourself the question, “How friendly is our home to strangers? To new kids, associates that our kids run into?
Dr. Leman: I think when kids feel like they have the freedom and support of parents to bring a friend into the home, you’re on second base. That is what it’s all about. It’s trying to create a situation where your kids feel like whoever their friends are, they’re welcome in your home. I’ve been asked this enough times, “How do I find good friends? I’m concerned about some of the kids my kid is running with.” Invite them into your home.
Dr. Leman: You’re going bowling, or you’re going out for a pizza, you say to your son or daughter, “Hey, do you want to invite so and so to go with us? I think the budget can tolerate one more mouth to feed, or one more set of bowling games, or whatever it might be.” Find a way to engage. Bring those kids into your home. Even the kids you don’t like, because that way, you don’t get into a power struggle with your kid. Believe it, they pick up the vibes that you don’t care for one kid or another. But have them around.
Dr. Leman: Sooner or later, those true spots on that kid, and you might be very right, this kid may not be a great match for your son or daughter, but over a test of time if they’re in your home, those true spots will be revealed to who? To your son or your daughter. The lesson is, make sure your home has an open door.
Doug: Dr. Leman, is there anything, going back to Andrea’s original question, or question she asked a little bit ago, is there anything for this mom to feel in her own heart, more appreciated? Even if others aren’t able to acknowledge it to her. Is there anything she can do?
Dr. Leman: No. I’m going to answer that, no. Unless she does something. She’s got to do some things to increase her stock. It’s action, not words on her part. She’s got to start acting differently, that’s the key. Once she starts acting differently, she literally forces the hand for the people around her who love her to act differently. They’re going to act more positively, and then she’s going to end up feeling better about herself.
Doug: I may not be the sharpest one on this podcast. I think we’ve affirmed that.
Dr. Leman: We’ve affirmed that several times Doug-
Doug: Yeah, thank you, thank you.
Dr. Leman: … but I don’t want to bring it up unnecessarily.
Doug: Loves and kisses to you too. I can be totally [inaudible 00:17:20]. We’ve been married 21 years, and I think it was only like two, maybe three years ago when Andrea finally sat me down and said, “You don’t appreciate me for when I clean all the blah, and do this, and do this.” She said it nicely, you know how Andrea would be, but she said, “I just need to hear and in cards, every now and then, that you appreciate all the work I do around this house.”
Doug: We’ve been married 18, 19 years. Is it helpful for wives to sit down and someone that’s as dumb as mud as me, tell them, “I need to hear the words, or see a card that you appreciate that I cook- ”
Dr. Leman: Yes, yes. That’s the vitamin E. It’s not fun being a mom in a home. They come home, notice the term, they. They come home and all of a sudden, what you’ve worked on, especially if you have the young little kids, oh my goodness. I mean, you can pick up a family room how many times during a day and some parents do it just because they have some OCD in themselves.
Dr. Leman: Many parents say, I’m just going to leave this looking like a barnyard, and 15 minutes before my husband comes home, I’m going to give it a final clean up. [inaudible] ahead that way. It’s a thankless job in many ways. It just keeps coming back, and coming back, and coming back. Everybody has to pitch in. No one member of the family, here it is, is more important than the what? The family, so everybody contributes. That’s why kids have chores in homes, among other reasons.
Doug: So again, I’m dumb as mut, so I’ll ask this other question. If I get in trouble by the two of you, it’s all right, I’m always there.
Andrea: I’m ready.
Doug: Is, if she sits the husband down and says, “Husband, I feel that I need some words of, that you would say, thank you for doing the food and washing the clothes, and everything you do, shopping, and it makes me feel really ooey gooey inside and makes me want to go to bed early with you.” Is that appropriate kinds of things to say, or not?
Dr. Leman: Sure. I think the point is you want to communicate to your bride, “Honey, I appreciate all the things you do in this family.” Just recognize in the day to day minutia and the fact that you appreciate her for her attitude for the servant leadership that she shows in the home, and again, when I say servant leadership, I know some people’s ears go up, but hey, husbands, you engage in servant leadership too. You serve each other.
Dr. Leman: The commandment is to come together and have oneness in your relationship. For the good of not only your marriage, but your kids. The kids need to be a part of that as well. This isn’t rocket science folks, you can handle this.
Doug: It makes me think back to the book that just launched a couple of months ago, Intimate Connection, that to be able to have that conversation even, you probably need to make sure that you have that connection, to be able to have that connection.
Dr. Leman: Yeah. If there ever was a book to read, and you’re married, there’s two of them that you should read for sure. One of them is The Intimate Connection, the other is Sheet Music. Those are two books that are must reads for every married couple.
Doug: Okay, I’m now, I’m down in rabbit hole that I should probably stop, but I do think that The Intimate Connection would be amazing as well as the mom going on strike. Those two things together would be awesome. Okay.
Doug: Well, thank you, Dr. Leman for answering our question and it’s great to be with all of you. A quick reminder, the book is Why Your Best is Good Enough. June 18 to 24, 2019. Only $1.19 where eBooks are sold. As always, you can subscribe whether you’re on iTunes, or Stitcher, or Sound Cloud, or wherever you are to this podcast, and Facebook is a great way. If you know of a fellow parent who feels super unappreciated and unloved by her spouse or his spouse, this would be a great podcast to pass onto them, and tell them, “I think this would really bless you.” You’re free to do that. We won’t stop you.
Doug: Well, it was great adding to your parenting toolbox, so you can love those kids more and more.
Andrea: Have a great week.
Doug: We look forward to the next time. Bye.
Andrea: Bye, bye.
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Doug: On this episode of Have a New Kid with Dr Kevin Leman, we get your question about a nine year old, almost nine year old, who’s having a really hard time at school. In fact, it’s gotten so bad that the school keeps calling for behavioral problems. The mom thinks it’s low self esteem. What does Dr. Leman think? That’s the question we get to ask him today.
Doug: Hi, I’m Doug Terpening.
Andrea: And I’m Andrea.
Doug: And we are so glad that you are with us today. If this happens to be your first time, just want to let you know this is for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or your child, please go seek a local professional for help. Well,
Dr. Leman, before we jump into today’s episode, I thought since we’re talking about schools, are there any more Leman schools coming anywhere in the world?
Dr. Leman: Oh yeah. We have six schools now. We have five in the state of Arizona and we have one in Colorado, in Parker, Colorado, just south of Denver. And the next school up will probably be again in Tucson, which is our home base. We bought property. We are going to open that in August of ’20. So here’s what happens. We just built a new school this year, just opened in August on the east side of Tucson. But we have over 300 people on a waiting list trying to get in, and so we’re going to add additional space in two of our local schools just because the waiting list is so long and people want in Leman. So it’s been gratifying to see the tremendous success.
Dr. Leman: Our students, we call them scholars, they love being there and the teachers love teaching there and the parents are so grateful for the school. And these are free, these are public schools. And so we take what walks in the door. If they have a diagnosis of some special needs, whatever, we take them on, we do the best we can. We have a strong staff of people, professional people, and quite frankly, we’re knocking it out of the park.
Doug: That’s awesome. And again, what are they called? What are the schools called?
Dr. Leman: Leman Academy of Excellence. You can go online and Google us and follow along. You’ll see some interesting stuff on there. Our kids learn things by chance. We’re a classical school, like chance, like a sentence is a sentence. That almost sounds like a rap song, a sentence is a sentence. And it’s got five parts and little guys, little kinders, know the structure of a sentence. Second graders can diagram a sentence. We were doing that in high school. I walked into a third grade class the other day and a kid stood up and did the Preamble of the Constitution. So we teach kids to get up and talk and be comfortable talking with people. And of course, that’s one of the major fears that adults have. So anyway, I better shut up. I can go on and on about how wonderful the schools are, but I’m anxious to do today’s podcast. So let’s roll.
Doug: Well, let’s get into it. And hear this mom’s question. Here we go.
Alissa: Hi Kevin. My name is Alissa. I am from British Columbia, Canada and I have a son who is eight years old, turning nine. Name’s Jacob. So Jacob has always had a hard time in school. What we’ve come to realize now is that he is always searching for power and control in any environment or situation that he’s in. So of course every year we see it getting more challenging and we get just more phone calls home from the school, saying like he’s not listening or he’s being defiant. He won’t do what he’s told. He’s refusing to do his schoolwork. And my son’s extremely smart. And with all this power and control that he seems to have in this school, he has really low self esteem and confidence. He’s always comparing himself to others. He’s highly competitive, always wants to win. He can get quite aggressive.
Alissa: In the home, we are definitely taking back the power and control. He sees us as authority figures now as his parents, which is really good. So we’ve had a lot of success in the home. We did get outside help for that, but now it’s just what to do with him at school? I am going to be homeschooling him next year. I believe that this is what God wants me to do to ground him and build him up, but I just wanted your opinion. Thank you so much. Bye.
Dr. Leman: Wow, thanks Alissa for that challenging scenario with your nine year old. Let’s review a few things. You think he has low self esteem. He’s into power and control. He’s extremely smart and I would agree with you. He is extremely smart. He’s learned how to work you guys. And I’m glad to hear there’s progress on the home front. Now this is what always amazes me. The school calls and they say, “Well, he’s defiant. He’s not listening, he’s antagonizing other kids.” Or whatever it might be. What in the world are you going to do as a parent about your kid’s behavior in school? I mean, do you see the irony here? I mean he’s under their care all day long. So the school, and every school I’ve… If you’re a teacher, listen to what I’m saying. You have to be able to put authority in the classroom teacher’s hands.
Dr. Leman: And most schools across the US and Canada. I mean, when I say most, I’m talking 99% of schools do not give teachers any authority in that classroom. So if a student is misbehaving in the class, and usually that means just interfering with the educational process of others, they’re removed from the scene. Just like my advice in Making Children Mind Without Losing Yours or Have a New Kid by Friday, remove the child from the scene. When there’s a scene, you’re feeding the child more power. You’ve already established he’s a powerful child, which means you guys as parents have been what? Powerful yourself. You’ve been authoritarian and now you’ve seen the light and you’re moving toward being the authoritative parent that you need to be. And results have already shown in your home. And I’m thankful for that.
Dr. Leman: Now how do we teach the school to do that? So in a practical sense, the next time school calls you and tells you how bad your kid is, I’d like you to say something like, “Well, listen, thank you for keeping us apprised of the situation. I want you to know my husband and I have extreme faith in you guys at school to help this situation turn around. We wish you the very best. If we can help in any way, please, please just simply ask. We’ll do everything we can.” In other words, you’re putting the tennis ball of life, as I like to call it, back in the proper court. The school is very capable of disciplining that child.
Dr. Leman: When I get a chance to do a PD, a professional development at our school, I will get up and talk about relational discipline. And what’s relational discipline? Is that writing the kid’s name on the board? No, it’s not doing anything like that. Is it putting a color card or a code up in front, which makes the kid know that he’s on probation for a few moments or maybe a day? No, it’s establishing a relationship with that kid where he understands that you’re in authority. Now, here’s the late breaking news, teachers. Your kids in the classroom actually would like to please you. Your job is to put yourself in authority without being authoritarian. So sometimes saying to a kid who’s misbehaving in class, “James, I am very disappointed with what’s going on here. I expect more of you, young man.” Just simply that statement with a look will usually correct a powerful child. Now sometimes, they’ll cross their arms across their chest and sorta sit down with a little attitude to show you that they’re still pretty tough. That’s part of the powerful child’s everyday behavior.
Dr. Leman: But my point is you solve problems that are in the school, where? In the school. You solve problems in the home, where? In the home. Do school systems and teachers need help? They do, and we’ve become so permissive. We allow kids to rule. Just like in many homes, kids sure in the yardstick are in full control of these adults.
Dr. Leman: One more thing, Alissa. You talk about low self esteem. Your son has low self esteem because we haven’t done a good job of giving him vitamin E, which is encouragement. You’ve tried praise and reward and punishment, and that doesn’t work. For a powerful child, in his mind he says, “Okay, I get it. Game on, you got the right to punish me? I got the right to punish you.” And I’m telling you, if I was a betting man I’d bet my nickel on that son. Because he’s gonna win. Because I’ve said many times, in a power struggle, parents, you lose. So you want to avoid the power struggle. Okay. What do you two experts from the great state of Oregon have to say on this one?
Doug: My first question is, I love the idea of going to the teacher and saying, “Okay teacher, I’m going to put the tennis ball back in your court.” But haven’t we conditioned teachers to be afraid of how as an adult, I’m going to respond if they stand up to my kid in any way, shape or form? Are teachers really empowered, like you said?
Dr. Leman: Oh, they’re not. They don’t know what to do.
Doug: So by me saying, “Go ahead and do what you need to do with James. I’ll back you.” Will they really be able to do that or have I taken all the power away from them that they can’t even stand up to my son if I would give him the permission?
Dr. Leman: Well the one thing you’ve done is you shut off the avenue that well, calling home isn’t going to help my situation here. That teacher’s going to draw the conclusion. “Wait a minute, I’m going to have to do something.” And I’m just telling you that we tie the hands of the teacher behind their back and then give them all this verbiage about how important they are and what an integral part of education that teacher is. Really? Then why don’t you give that teacher authority?
Doug: So now this mom is bringing the kid home to homeschool. So now there’s no external authority to help her with her son’s defiance and power.
Dr. Leman: Yeah, and I’m not so sure that’s a great idea. I’m glad you pointed that out Doug, because I forgot that part of it. You know, I don’t think removing that child from that situation is the best thing. I think in many ways that placates the powerful child. And I realize there’s progress on the home front, and I think that’s commendable.
Dr. Leman: But I think you work with teacher and you sit down with teacher and say things like, “It seems to me that you’re the teacher and my perception is that little Michael really wants to please you. He gets frustrated because he’s so powerful. He feels like he has to win. And when he’s in a situation where he doesn’t feel like he’s going to win, why? Because he’s not prepared. He hasn’t done his homework, whatever. Then he resorts to just sheer power and crosses his arms emotionally and says, ‘I’m not going to do that.’ Well, okay, Michael, you’re not going to do that. I understand that. Well, listen, when we go out for recess, you’re going to have an opportunity. I’ve arranged with Mrs. Brown down the hallway. You’re going to sit in her classroom and do work while we’re out for recess.”
Doug: Awesome. Would you ever encourage this parent to say, “Listen, he doesn’t do X, Y, and Z, feel free to call us and let us know. And when he comes home, we’ll back you up and he gets the bread and water treatment.” Would you ever do that?
Dr. Leman: Well, you can do that, but I’ll tell you why I don’t love that idea, because it puts the onus back on the parent for behavior happening in school. And the school is fully capable of dealing with this. Listen, they have psychologists, they have resource officers, they have other teachers. If that school system can’t shape up a nine year old kid, there’s something wrong.
Doug: But the key is me as the parent going to them and saying, “Hey, listen, I’m with you. You do what you have to do and don’t worry about me. You-”
Dr. Leman: I support you. If you want to put them in in-school suspension, so be it. See, the powerful child needs an audience. Even a hermit needs a society to hermit from or it’d be no fun to be a hermit. And so when you take that away, when you take that away, the kid pretty soon says, “Hey, who am I fooling here?” I remember, I mean, I wasn’t a powerful kid, I was just a huge attention getter as a kid. But I remember as a senior in high school having a conversation with myself that went like this, “I’m dumber than mud. I’ve been entertaining my classmates now for years and all these guys are going off to college and off to university. What am I going to do? I can’t get a college to even look at me.” And I remember thinking I was stupid. Not stupid intellectually, although I didn’t really believe at that point I had many smarts, but I just wasn’t playing life smart.
Dr. Leman: And this little nine year old will get it. But again, low self esteem, parents get hung up on that. Your kid needs to take pride in what he does. You need to encourage every step of progress he makes, but without praise, without reward. Just “Wow, that’s going to make you feel great inside, honey. I’m proud of your effort.” That kind of stuff. That’s liquid gold to a kid’s psyche and to his self esteem, if you want to use that term.
Doug: Well, I want to follow up on that question about low self esteem because it was one I had. But before we do that, we have an ebook special from Baker Books that is unbelievable today. Like unbelievable. Like if you don’t take advantage of this-
Dr. Leman: I don’t like the way you said that. What’s the special?
Doug: I’m sorry. It is from June… I’m going to wait until the very end to tell you. June 11th to 18th for $2.99 on ebook, the Birth Order Book.
Dr. Leman: What?
Doug: I’m not lying.
Dr. Leman: I want to say something I shouldn’t say. My publisher’s nuts. Why would you give that book away for $2.99? I don’t know. Somebody’s been smoking something up there. I don’t know. Anyway, listen. All right.
Andrea: It’s a great book.
Dr. Leman: Let me look at the positive side of this. Thousands of you who are listening to us right now, you’ve seen excerpts of my book in Good Housekeeping and Mademoiselle and every magazine there ever was. It has been talked about for years and you’ve heard about the birth order and you think it’s sort of an intriguing idea because you know that the first two in your family are night and day different. Okay, so I’m gonna settle down. I’m gonna take back all those bad words I said about my publisher. And I’m going to say listen, at $2.99, and you can download that sucker. $2.99? Do it today. In fact, tell your friends about it. That is a ganga. In Espanol, that’s a bargain and a half. Oh my goodness. $2.99 for the birth order book. And by the way, if you’re a business person, or you make a living with relationships, you’re in sales. Oh my goodness. Don’t pass up this opportunity to read the birth order book. Download it. $2.99, you can’t miss. Share it with your friends and your business associates.
Doug: I know one of my favorite parts of our podcast segment, straight talk with Dr Kevin Leman.
Dr. Leman: Listen carefully. The man who is saying what he is about to say is really not off his rocker. Just stay with me for a little bit, would you? Outside activities for kids are not good? Yes. You heard that right. Outside activities for kids. Now Leman, Leman, Leman. There you go again. What do you mean outside activities aren’t good for kids? My kid is in Little League. We love Little League. Okay, you got me. I give up. Both hands are skyward. So let’s go with limit outside activities for kids. And here’s the problem folks. If you have three children and each of them just has one outside activity, you’re going to go bonkers trying to keep up with them. You’re going to be shuttling kids from one activity to another and at whose expense? At your expense. And check this out. I think at their expense as well. Because you know, the more activity and the more people engaged in your kids’ lives when they’re young, dilutes the indelible imprint that you get a chance to give to your own kids.
Dr. Leman: I think, quite frankly, some of us are addicted to our own adrenaline that our own body produces from rushing from event to event. I marvel at how young families make it today, when both of them are working and they have children. And you want to put activities on top of that? So again, for you parents who have little older kids, it’s time for discussion around the dinner table to say, “Hey, you know what? I think we all have a little bit too much on our plate. What can we do this next year, this next semester?” Any way you want to say it. This next month to limit things so that we have more time for ourselves, more time for each other and more time for our family.
Doug: So Dr. Leman, I want to talk a little bit more about this low self esteem. And I just got to ask the honest question, which is probably horrible to say, is like does this kid really have low self esteem or is this an excuse to kind of let his bad behavior go for it?
Dr. Leman: Yeah, it becomes an excuse. It’s thrown around way too loosely. A kid will have high esteem if he learns to do things by himself. Have you ever watched a two or three year old say to their parent, “No, I’ll do it. I’ll do it.” I mean, kids have a built in, I want to do it myself. And what happens is we hover over kids, we do far too many things for them. There is where you weaken a kid’s, if you want to call it self esteem. The kid figures out why should I even try? They do it so much better than I do. So respecting a kid’s efforts, whatever they may be, and not demanding perfection, not overreacting. Those are things that build a very healthy self concept, where a kid figures out I’m a capable human being, I can do. That’s what you want your kid to be telling themselves. I can do rather than I can’t do.
Andrea: And those sound like the kinds of things that would not be built in if you have an authoritarian parent because the authoritarian parent is telling the kid how to do it. Is that right?
Dr. Leman: Yes.
Andrea: So by changing that parenting style, then hopefully that kid will begin to realize, oh, I can do this.
Dr. Leman: Yeah.
Doug: So Dr. Leman, I got to ask, for Alyssa and then for our listeners. And I’m thinking about our listeners who have the reverse. At school they behave, but at home they don’t. For them, you would say read this book to help you the most. To kind of get that right frame of mind. Which one would it be?
Dr. Leman: Again, yes. Keep in mind folks, you ought to see the same behavior in both places. Okay? Now we see the improvement in home because parents have made changes. We don’t see change in school. Well, you have to deduce that the problem lies in the school environment. And what I’ve said previously about not giving teachers authority in the classroom was what spawns these kind of problems.
Doug: So what books should they be reading, though?
Dr. Leman: They can’t go wrong with Have a New Kid by Friday and Making Children Mind Without Losing Yours. If you have a powerful child, which Alissa’s nine year old certainly is, I would add to that mix Parenting Your Powerful Child. I mean, those are great books. There is great insight. I mean, I get thousands of emails from parents in a year saying, “Wow, the light went on. I see what we’re doing now. Thank you so much.” And see, that involves purpose of behavior, which we’ve talked about. Parents don’t realize that every social behavior your child engages in serves a purpose in their life. It builds into their life theme. How they see life. It’s sort of their daily mantra of how they live. Every day living, in your home and in school or any other social situation. So parents, I’m not trying to hawk my book. I read the reviews on the book. They were very, very good. People like them. They’re practical. You chuckle along the way as you’ll learn. So take advantage of these books and especially these offerings. Like we’ve offered the Birth Order Book, at $2.99. I’m still having a hard time getting over that one. But boy, that’s a bargain.
Doug: When I’m thinking about the book, Have a New Kid by Friday, especially for you Alissa, there are so many practical applications that if you’re gonna start homeschooling this kid, I would highly get that book because when you run into the different situations, you’re going to run into having him around 24/7, that book will be gold in the back half to you as well. At least that’s my opinion, but I’m not the expert or the author. But I am the opinion agent.
Andrea: You’re a parent.
Doug: I’m an opinionated one. So well, it was great to be with you. I want to remind everybody again, get the Birth Order Book for $2.99, June 11 to 18 of 2019 wherever eBooks are sold. It is one of Andrea’s favorite books. She absolutely loves it and we think you would too. And we look forward to the next time we get to be with you to help add to that parenting toolbox so that you can just love them kiddos more and more.
Andrea: Have a great week.
Doug: Take care.
Andrea: Bye Bye.
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Transcript
Doug: Some day, we’ll all likely be grandparents. What do you do if your kids start dropping your kids off more and more and asking you to be their parent? Can you parent as a grandparent? Well, we need to know if you end up having to parent as a grandparent. That’s the question we get to ask Dr. Leman today.
Doug: Hi. I’m Doug Terpening.
Andrea: I’m Andrea.
Doug: We are so glad that you are with us today. If this happens to be your first time with us, we just want to let you know this if for your education and entertainment purposes only. If the subject matter raises any concerns for you or your child, please go seek a local professional for help.
Doug: Well, Dr. Leman, you just told us a really interesting story about someone who emailed you a question from a grandparent. It got me thinking. I think there’s probably more people that listen to this that either are having to parent as a grandparents, or someday were going to do it. What do we need to know if we get in this situation?
Dr. Leman: Well, I’ll tell you, I think there’s an awful lot of grandparents out there, number one, who are rearing their grandchildren. There’s a lot of grandparents out there whose adult children are using their parents, the child’s grandparents, in a negative way, in a way that they expect the grandparents to drop everything they’re doing and to give safe harbor to their grandchildren. Now, we have four grandchildren. Quite frankly, we go to great lengths to be with them. Two of them live in Chicago, which is not exactly next door to Tucson, Arizona.
Dr. Leman: In fact, my dear wife is flying up there in a week or so to be with our daughter, Hannah, and her husband, and those two little twins because both of them work and they’re like a lot of couples. We want to be helpful parents. Let’s face it, grandparents, you are mature. You’ve gone through life. You know a few things. By the time we get to the grandparent stage, we’re pretty steady and predictable, and again, a safe harbor.
Dr. Leman: As I was telling you the other day, I got a question from a woman and I really felt so sad because the parent comes and drops off her daughter and leaves her there. I mean, leaves her there. She leaves her there. She doesn’t say, “I’ll be back tomorrow night.” She just leaves them and takes off. Grandparents never know when she’s going to come back. It can be two weeks later. It can be a week later. It could be three days later. Here’s a daughter who has absolutely no respect for her parents, and she uses those grandparents, their good will, good nature, and their love for their grandchild. You tell me, what would you do? I know what I told her to do, but I’d love to know what you guys would do if you’re the grandparents and you have a daughter, doesn’t have a husband, is single mom and she brings by this little granddaughter, drops her off and you never know when she’s going to come back. What would you do?
Andrea: Oh, I’d be taking care of that grand baby, loving on it and just treating it like, “Well, you’re here now and as long as you’re here I’m mom, I guess.”
Dr. Leman: Well, yeah. I think that’s how most people would respond, that, “This is my granddaughter and I love her and I want what’s best for her. Yes, we’ll take her to school. Yes, we’ll pack her lunches. Yes, we’ll give her money if she needs it,” and all those kind of things.
Andrea: I’d probably even be considering adopting her.
Dr. Leman: Well, I tell you, here’s what I shot back to grandma. I said, “You know what? This is a situation that doesn’t have a happy ending. The best thing you can possibly do is to start refusing taking your granddaughter until you reach an agreement with your daughter that you have guardianship of that nine year old.” This daughter is … God only knows what she’s doing. What she’s doing is not good. I can tell you that from the kind of things that the grandmother had shared with me. Again, parents, it’s a catch 22. You want to help your grandchild, but you best help your grandchild by getting guardianship of that nine year old. Now, that costs money. You have to have cooperation with your daughter. Whether your daughter caves in and gives it to you is up for grabs, but you can’t go through life just having somebody drop a youngster, someone you love, off at your house and not knowing where she is and when she’s going to be back.
Dr. Leman: What if you guys have plans to go someplace and maybe see one of your other children, or one of you is still employed and have employment responsibilities. It’s a no win. As tough as that advice is for people, the best solution is to try to get guardianship. Once you have guardianship, then you can go ahead and you can really rear that nine year old as the parent. Then, mom has visiting rights, so to speak, for lack of a better term. She sees the kid’s mother, but you can imagine this child is just nine years old. What is she going to be like at 14? She needs somebody that’s going to really model stability and currently mom is just all over the place. Again, I’m very suspect that she’s a druggie and doing a lot of things that she shouldn’t be doing.
Doug: If the grandparents refuse the daughter unless they get guardianship and the daughter refuses, what’s going to happen to that … my grandchild?
Dr. Leman: See, this is where a situation like this we feel like we’re over the barrel. It’s just like the parent that writes in and says, “My son refuses to take his medication. It’s really important he takes his medication.” Well, the kid’s got you over the barrel. Kids and adults know when they have you over the barrel. They’ll work you. People aren’t for using. I know that. Is this easy to pull off? No. It’s not easy at all. Is it simple? No. It’s not simple either, Leman. This is difficult stuff, but you have to have a heart to heart with daughter. I mean, I’m suspect that the grandparents are also helping the daughter financially. They help her financially and she takes off on a two week binge someplace, hit and miss at work and all that. It’s a crisis in the making. I’ve awfully said, “I’d rather force a blowout than watch it slow leak itself to death.” These are tough questions. Most of your parents who are listening are saying, “Oh my goodness. I’m glad that’s not our situation.” It’s tough.
Andrea: Is there any hope that by the grandparents standing up and saying to the daughter, “Well, you need to give us guardianship if we’re going to keep doing this,” that she might actually recognize what she’s doing and she just is waiting for somebody to hold her accountable and she might-
Dr. Leman: She might.
Andrea: Come out of this-
Dr. Leman: She might.
Andrea: Behavior?
Dr. Leman: Again, permissiveness reigns in our society, and caving in and giving in. Very few people draw lines and says, “This is no longer manageable for us.” Imagine, grandparents living life and all of a sudden, without notice, there’s no phone call or anything, she just drops her off at the house and leaves. I mean just totally non-responsible behavior. You get the authorities involved, then there’s more problems down the line. I think this is something you want to try to solve as grandparents and cut a deal with your daughter for one specific reason, and that is you want to give that granddaughter, in this case, the best predictable, safe environment where she’s going to feel loved and she has some stability. Nine year olds need that, believe me.
Doug: You know what I really appreciate about this example is, for me, you have used this phrase before, “I prefer a blowout than a slow leak, and people are not to be taken advantage of.” It’s like, “Yeah, I get it now.” If I’m ever being taken advantage of, I should force the issue instead of just limping along like this. In all of life, whether you’re a grandparent or not, that’s great.
Doug: Well, before we finish, ’cause I have another question for grandparents here, I want to take this moment for all our podcast listeners, again, to tell you about the eBook special, thank from Baker Books, for you and you alone, a book by Dr. Leman called Born to Win for $1.99, June four to ten of 2019. Dr. Leman, I’m embarrassed to say so, I haven’t read Born to Win. I don’t know if I’ve even heard about it, which [crosstalk 00:08:37]-
Andrea: I don’t know if I’ve heard of it either.
Dr. Leman: Well-
Doug: What is this one about?
Dr. Leman: Who do you suppose is born to win? Take a guess.
Doug: Andrea-
Andrea: The baby-
Doug: ‘Cause she’s sweet.
Dr. Leman: Nope.
Doug: The middle child, ’cause we’re both middle children.
Dr. Leman: No.
Andrea: The only child.
Doug: No, no, ’cause we’re middle children. No?
Dr. Leman: The firstborn.
Doug: Ah.
Andrea: We’re all born to win.
Dr. Leman: The firstborn. They are born to win.
Andrea: Yeah.
Dr. Leman: It’s all about firstborn children. If you’re a firstborn-
Doug: So this is-
Dr. Leman: Or if you have a firstborn, you might really enjoy reading Born to Win.
Doug: It does help to get behind their eyeballs and understand it, doesn’t it? Born to Win, $1.99 June four to ten of 2019. Now, favorite part of the segment, Straight Talk with Dr. Kevin Leman.
Dr. Leman: You know, you don’t have to walk very far to find a smart mouthed kid these days. You’ll find them in schools. You’ll find them on a playground. This is so difficult to say to you parents. You may even find them in your home. You know, kids today view themselves as social equals. They don’t really see authority in a proper manner. Parents, quite frankly, don’t act in authority. They tend to be permissive and then they swing to authoritarian. We’ll discuss that one at another time, but the point is is that these kids know where you are, how you operate. I’ll tell you, they can pull your chain. The question is, when your child is really smart mouth to you, ask yourself this question. What was the purpose of nature of that? Was it to show you that he or she is the boss, that they want to simply just dis your authority?
Dr. Leman: It could be, but the point is, words hurt and you don’t have to just come back immediately. If you do, you engage in fighting. Remember, fighting is an act of what? Cooperation. After the hurtful words, go about your business. I’m telling you, I don’t care if your kid is six or 16, it’s going to be a very short period of time when they come to you and say, “Mommy, would you get me this?” Or, “Mom, can I go over to John’s house?” Maybe they’re driving the car. “Hey dad, can I take the car?” Well, a simply dosage of vitamin N will get your son or daughter’s attention. What does that mean? A simple, “No. I don’t feel like getting you anything right now.” “Honey, no, you can’t take the car.” Turn your back. Walk away.
Dr. Leman: Now, again, do not engage in battle. You have gold in your back pocket, parents, okay? I call this parental poker. You have four aces in your back pocket as well. You don’t have to always play those cards, you just have to have the assurance that those cards are there. Quite frankly, your kid wouldn’t have underwear on right now if you didn’t buy it for him. Who’s kidding who? You are in full authority over your children.
Dr. Leman: Now, here’s the fun part, I think. They’re going to dig. They’re going to say, “Mom, what’s wrong with you? You always let me go to John’s house. You always let me do this.” Let them really squirm and figure out that maybe what they said an hour and a half earlier was very inappropriate. Don’t tell them right off the bat. Again, let them sort of guess and figure it out. Finally, he or she will figure it out. “Oh, I’m sorry about what I said this morning.” “Well, honey, I’m glad you could say you’re sorry. That’s really important.” “Well, can I take the car now?” “No, but we’ll revisit that another day.” That’s Straight Talk from the good old Dr. Leman. I’m telling you, this stuff works.
Doug: Okay, Dr. Leman. Here’s my question. For the grandparents that are not in that dire of a situation but we do have the classic, “Truly the parents are super permissive and when they come over to my house, my grandparents just are out of control. I don’t agree with their parenting style. What do I do when I have them in my house for five hours or maybe overnight? What do I do with their unruly behavior?”
Dr. Leman: Well the simple sentence is, “Honey, in our home we don’t do that,” works, whether it’s putting your feet on the furniture or whatever. Here’s the interesting thing that I’ve observed over the years, Doug and Andrea, that kids can go from one environment to another with a completely different set of rules and they adjust to it. Grandparents, don’t lower your expectations for your grandchildren. I would tell you, when the grandchildren come over, okay, have fun. Do a little thought about, “Hey, what could we do with … grandkids are coming over.” Maybe your kids have said, “Hey, we want to take off for a weekend. Would you take the kids for a weekend?” “Okay, we’d be glad to.”
Dr. Leman: Well, rather than just sit around grandma and grandpa’s house, which a lot of grandparents are very comfortable in doing, plan a couple things. In fact, asking your grandchild’s opinion of, “Honey, would each of you give grandma and grandpa one idea of things you think might be fun for all of us to do this coming weekend? I know you’re coming over Friday night and you’re going to be here til Saturday late, so come up with a couple things and grandma … grandpa and I will talk about it and we’ll figure something out,” so that time with your grandchildren is meaningful and you can have a fun time together.
Doug: The recommendation is make it fun when they do come over and keep your standards going, that they will adjust to being at your house with whatever standards-
Dr. Leman: They will.
Doug: You have.
Dr. Leman: They will adjust to whatever your expectations are.
Doug: When I think about when we have some of our nieces and nephews come over, they do adapt to our behavior.
Andrea: Yeah.
Doug: It is interesting. You’re right. Well, thank you, Dr. Leman. You might hear a frog in our background. We have a frog in our garage that we cannot find. If you hear something croaking-
Dr. Leman: I love it.
Doug: If you hear something croaking, it’s not Andrea.
Andrea: No, it’s not.
Doug: It’s actually a frog.
Dr. Leman: Okay, people, Doug and Andrea are hillbillies. You remember the old hillbillies? The Beverly Hillbillies-
Doug: Oh, come on-
Dr. Leman: These are Oregon hillbillies.
Doug: Come on.
Dr. Leman: They got a frog in there.
Doug: We can’t find it. We’ve been looking for like a week.
Dr. Leman: You know why-
Doug: It tells you how cluttered our garage is.
Dr. Leman: You know what the frog said? He said, “Pardon me, I have a man in my throat.”
Doug: Ah, well, we love, love, love answering these questions and helping you with your parenting toolbox. Born to Win is the new eBook for a buck ninety-nine, June four to ten of 2019. If you have a firstborn, highly recommend, highly, highly recommend it, as well as all the other Dr. Leman books that are out there. We can’t wait to be with you again and add to your parenting toolbox so you can just love them kiddos more and more, whether you’re a grandparent or a parent.
Andrea: Have a great week with those grandkids.
Doug: Yes. Mrs. Terpening’s really happy and looking forward to them.
Dr. Leman: All righty.
Doug: Take care. Have a great day. Bye bye.
Andrea: Bye bye.
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