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808 Cycles Brompton folding bicycles & accessories in Singapore Sun, 20 Sep 2026 16:55:20 +0000 en-GB hourly 1 /wp-content/uploads/2018/06/cropped-808CYCLES_Logo_Short_Colour_Cropped-32x32.jpg 808 Cycles 32 32 205907115 Brompton 4-Speed vs 12-Speed: Which Should You Choose in Singapore? /2026/09/16/brompton-4-speed-vs-12-speed-singapore/ Tue, 15 Sep 2026 16:17:09 +0000 /?p=52859 Choosing between a Brompton 4-speed and 12-speed is not simply a question of whether more gears are better. The right choice depends on where you ride, how often you carry the folded bicycle, whether you climb hills, and how much flexibility you want for longer journeys. For many flatter trips around Singapore, the lighter and simpler 4-speed system is entirely sufficient. The 12-speed becomes more valuable when your rides include steeper slopes, heavier luggage, headwinds, longer distances or unfamiliar routes. The short answer is: choose the 4-speed if low weight and simplicity matter most; choose the 12-speed if you want the broadest range and the least limitation on where you can ride. This guide explains the practical difference from the perspective of everyday Brompton use in Singapore. Brompton 4-speed vs 12-speed at a glance Comparison Brompton 4-speed Brompton 12-speed Gear range 163% 402% System Four external derailleur gears Four derailleur gears combined with a three-speed internal hub Shifters One trigger shifter Two shifters: derailleur and hub Character Light, simple and direct Versatile, wide-ranging and adaptable Best suited to Flatter urban rides, shorter commutes and weight-conscious owners Hills, longer rides, luggage and varied routes Main advantage Lower weight and fewer components Much wider choice of comfortable gears Main compromise More limited on steep climbs and fast open sections Additional weight and a slightly more involved shifting system The exact weight and equipment depend on the Brompton line, handlebar, rack, lighting and other specifications. Always compare complete bicycles in equivalent configurations rather than judging by the number of gears alone. What does “gear range” mean? The number of gears tells you how many selectable ratios a bicycle has. Gear range tells you how far the gearing extends from its easiest gear to its hardest gear. For real-world riding, the range is often the more important figure. The current Brompton 4-speed drivetrain has a 163% range. Its four sprockets—11, 13, 15 and 18 teeth on standard configurations—provide useful steps for city riding while keeping the system compact and light. The Brompton 12-speed drivetrain has a substantially wider 402% range. It combines the four-speed derailleur system with a three-speed internal hub, producing low gears for climbing, middle ratios for everyday riding and higher gears for faster sections. This does not mean that a 12-speed is automatically faster. It means you have a better chance of finding a comfortable pedalling rhythm across different gradients, speeds and loads. When is a Brompton 4-speed enough in Singapore? Singapore is not completely flat, but many everyday cycling routes are gentle enough for a 4-speed Brompton. It can work very well for: Short and medium-distance commuting Park connectors and flatter urban routes Breakfast, café and neighbourhood rides Rail Corridor journeys with a relaxed pace Cycling to an MRT station and continuing by train Riders who travel light and rarely carry large front luggage Owners who strongly value a lighter bicycle The 4-speed has a clean, direct feel. One trigger shifter controls the four derailleur gears, so it is quick to understand and easy to operate. Riders who use their Brompton mainly as a compact urban mobility tool may never feel that they are missing anything. Its lower weight is particularly relevant if you regularly carry the bicycle upstairs, lift it into a vehicle or move through stations where lifts are inconvenient. Once folded, even a modest weight difference can become noticeable when repeated every day. Where does the 12-speed help? The 12-speed makes the strongest case when your journeys go beyond flatter point-to-point transport. Its wider range is useful for: Mount Faber, Henderson Road, Kent Ridge and other steeper areas Longer weekend and community rides Heavy front luggage or touring loads Headwinds on exposed stretches Riders who want smaller choices between comfortable pedalling efforts Travel to places where the terrain is unfamiliar Owners who want one Brompton for the widest variety of uses The easiest gears reduce the effort needed to keep the pedals turning on a climb. The higher end of the range is useful when the road opens up or slopes down. Between those extremes, the additional ratios make it easier to avoid feeling that one gear is too easy while the next is too hard. For a rider who wants to explore Singapore freely without planning routes around hills, the 12-speed is the more reassuring choice. How does the Brompton 12-speed system work? The system combines two types of gearing. The derailleur moves the chain across four rear sprockets, while the three-speed hub changes the broader range. Together, they provide 12 selectable combinations. A practical way to think about it is: Use the hub to choose a broad low, middle or high range. Use the four derailleur gears to fine-tune your pedalling within that range. The external derailleur shifts while you are pedalling lightly because the chain must move between sprockets. The internal hub can shift while the bicycle is stationary, which is useful if you stop at a traffic light in a high gear and want an easier gear before moving off. There is a short learning period because the 12-speed has two controls, but most owners adapt quickly. You do not need to memorise every possible combination before riding. Start in the middle hub range, use the derailleur normally, and change the hub range when you need gears that are meaningfully easier or harder. Is the 4-speed easier to maintain? The 4-speed has fewer drivetrain components and no internal gear hub, so it is mechanically simpler. That simplicity appeals to riders who want a lightweight, straightforward urban bicycle. The 12-speed has an additional hub shifter, cable and internal gearing system. It therefore requires correct adjustment and adds some weight. However, it is an original Brompton system designed as an integrated package, and the internal hub keeps its gear mechanism protected inside the rear wheel. Both systems still need normal preventive care: a clean and lubricated chain, correctly adjusted gears, sound cables, suitable tyre pressure and periodic servicing. More gears should not be treated as a substitute for proper setup. 808 Cycles supports original Brompton gearing configurations. We recommend choosing the factory system that suits your needs instead of buying a bicycle on the assumption that an aftermarket conversion will solve the decision later. Does the 12-speed change the folded size? No meaningful difference in folded footprint should drive this choice. Both systems are engineered to fit within Brompton’s compact fold. The practical portability difference is weight. A 4-speed configuration is generally lighter because it does not carry the three-speed internal hub and its related controls. The precise difference varies between C Line, P Line and T Line configurations, as well as racks, handlebars, saddles, lighting and accessories. If carrying matters to you, fold and lift the actual bicycles. A specification sheet cannot tell you whether the difference feels worthwhile on your staircase or during your MRT journey. Which gearing is better for commuting? For a flat or gently rolling commute, the 4-speed can be the better tool. It is lighter, simple to shift and provides enough range for many city journeys. The 12-speed is preferable when your commute includes repeated slopes, longer distances, strong headwinds or a heavily loaded bag. It also provides more flexibility if you sometimes extend your commute into a leisure ride. Think about the most demanding part of your regular journey—not only the easiest section. If one steep climb makes you avoid cycling altogether, the wider gearing may help you use the bicycle more consistently. If you rarely encounter that situation, carrying the lighter 4-speed every day may be the more valuable benefit. For more mixed-transport advice, read our guide to bringing a Brompton on Singapore’s MRT. Which gearing is better for leisure rides and travel? A 4-speed is enjoyable for relaxed city exploration, café rides and flatter routes. Its lighter weight can also be attractive when the bicycle must be lifted frequently during a journey. A 12-speed is the safer all-round choice for longer rides and overseas travel because you may not know the terrain in advance. Luggage, fatigue and heat can make a gradient feel harder late in a ride, even if it looked manageable on a map. If your Brompton will be your only bicycle and you expect your riding ambitions to grow, the 12-speed provides more room to explore. If you already know that your use will remain compact, urban and relatively flat, the 4-speed may be all you need. Should a first-time buyer choose 4-speed or 12-speed? Choose the 4-speed if: Your usual routes are mostly flat. You prioritise the lowest practical carrying weight. You prefer one simple shifter. Your rides are generally short to medium in distance. You travel light and do not expect frequent steep climbs. Choose the 12-speed if: You want the widest possible range for Singapore’s varied routes. You regularly climb hills or carry luggage. You take longer rides or travel with your Brompton. You prefer more choices for maintaining a comfortable cadence. You would rather accept additional weight than risk feeling under-geared. Neither is universally better. The best system is the one that removes the biggest barrier to using your Brompton. For one owner, that barrier is carrying weight. For another, it is a steep climb on the way home. Does the bicycle line matter too? Yes. Gearing is only one part of the decision. Frame materials, overall weight, fork design, component specification and price also differ between the C Line, P Line and T Line. Read our Brompton C Line versus P Line comparison and our guide to the Brompton P Line versus T Line before comparing specific bicycles. A lighter line with 12-speed gearing can still be easier to carry than a heavier line with fewer gears. Compare complete bicycles rather than assuming the drivetrain alone determines portability. Frequently asked questions Is a Brompton 4-speed enough for Singapore? Yes, for many riders. It suits flatter commutes, park connectors, mixed MRT journeys and relaxed urban riding. The decision changes if your regular routes include steep climbs, heavy luggage or longer distances. Can a 4-speed Brompton climb Mount Faber? A fit rider may manage it, but the limited low-end range demands more effort. A 12-speed gives you substantially easier gearing and is the more comfortable choice for repeated or steeper climbs. Is a Brompton 12-speed difficult to use? It uses separate controls for the four-speed derailleur and three-speed hub, so it takes slightly longer to learn than the 4-speed. Most riders adapt quickly by using the hub for broad ranges and the derailleur for smaller adjustments. Does a 12-speed Brompton fold larger? No meaningful folded-size difference should affect the decision. The 12-speed system is designed to remain within Brompton’s compact folded package, although it adds weight compared with an equivalent 4-speed configuration. Is a 12-speed Brompton faster than a 4-speed? Not automatically. It has a wider range, which can help you pedal comfortably on more terrain. Actual speed depends more on fitness, riding position, tyres, conditions and luggage. Can I convert a Brompton 4-speed to 12-speed later? Changing between the systems involves more than adding sprockets; the rear wheel, hub controls, cables and other parts differ. Do not treat it as a simple future upgrade. Choosing the appropriate original configuration at purchase is usually the cleaner approach. Which gearing should I choose if I am still unsure? Test both on the same route, including a slope, and lift both while folded. Choose the 4-speed if its range feels sufficient and you value its lower weight. Choose the 12-speed if the easier gears make you more confident about riding further and more often. Compare Brompton gearing at 808 Cycles 808 Cycles has been a Brompton Authorised Dealer in Singapore since 2016. We ride Bromptons ourselves and can help you compare original 4-speed and 12-speed configurations based on your routes, fitness, luggage and carrying requirements. Browse our current Brompton C Line bicycles, Brompton P Line bicycles, Brompton T Line bicycles or all Brompton folding bicycles available in Singapore. Still deciding? WhatsApp 808 Cycles to arrange a showroom visit and test ride. Tell us where you normally ride and whether you need to carry the folded bicycle—we will help you compare the options honestly. About the author: Bob Lee is the founder of 808 Cycles, a Brompton Authorised Dealer in Singapore since 2016. He rides a Brompton regularly and helps customers choose, set up and maintain their bicycles for everyday use in Singapore. ]]> 52859 Brompton C Line vs P Line: Which Should You Buy in Singapore? /2026/09/04/brompton-c-line-vs-p-line-singapore/ Fri, 04 Sep 2026 07:22:28 +0000 /?p=52834 If you are buying a new Brompton in Singapore, one of the most important decisions is whether to choose the classic Brompton C Line or pay more for the lighter Brompton P Line. Both fold to almost the same compact size. Both work well for commuting, leisure rides, public transport and storage in a Singapore apartment. Both are handmade around the familiar Brompton design. The real differences are in their materials, carrying weight, ride feel, components and price. The short answer is this: the C Line is the better-value choice for most riders, while the P Line makes sense for people who will genuinely benefit from a lighter bicycle and its more refined component package. This guide compares the two from the perspective of real use in Singapore—not simply from a specification sheet. Brompton C Line vs P Line at a glance Comparison Brompton C Line Brompton P Line Positioning The classic, all-round Brompton The lighter, more performance-focused Brompton Main construction Steel main frame, rear frame and fork on standard models Steel main frame, titanium rear frame and carbon fork on current Mk2 models 12-speed example at 808 Cycles C Line M12R: from 12.0 kg P Line Mk2 M12R: approximately 11.1 kg 12-speed gear range 402% 402% Folded footprint Compact Brompton fold Broadly the same compact Brompton fold Ride character Stable, familiar and reassuring Livelier, lighter and more refined over road vibration Best reason to choose it Value, simplicity and classic Brompton character Easier carrying and premium components Current 12-speed M12R example S$3,270 S$5,120 The weights and prices above refer to current rack-equipped 12-speed examples listed by 808 Cycles on 3 September 2026. Exact figures vary with gearing, handlebar, rack, lighting and special-edition equipment. Check the individual product page for the specification and current price of the bicycle you are considering. What is the Brompton C Line? The Brompton C Line is the modern version of the folding bicycle that made Brompton famous. Its steel construction gives it the familiar Brompton ride, while its compact fold makes it easy to bring into the MRT, store beside a desk or keep inside a small home. Calling it the “standard” Brompton should not be mistaken for calling it basic. A current C Line can have a wide-range 12-speed transmission, Mid handlebar, mudguards and an Advance Roller Rack. For many owners, it already does everything they need a Brompton to do. The C Line is especially compelling when you spend most of your journey riding the bicycle rather than carrying it. If you have lift access at home and work, roll the folded bike through stations, and only lift it briefly into a car or over a kerb, the extra cost of the P Line may not deliver enough practical benefit. The steel front fork of the Brompton C Line.   What is the Brompton P Line? The Brompton P Line keeps the steel main frame but replaces other major components with lighter materials. Current P Line Mk2 models use a titanium rear frame, carbon fork, aluminium stem and handlebar, and a selection of lighter components. The result is a Brompton that feels easier to pick up, quicker to manoeuvre and slightly more responsive on the road. Brompton also describes the carbon fork as vibration-damping, which can take some of the harshness out of broken road surfaces before it reaches your hands. The P Line is not dramatically smaller when folded—the main benefit is reduced weight and a more premium ride and component package. That distinction matters. If your main challenge is fitting a bicycle under a desk or into a car boot, both lines solve it. If your challenge is carrying the bicycle up stairs every day, the P Line has the clearer advantage. The carbon fork on the new Brompton P Line Mk2.   How noticeable is the weight difference? For the current rack-equipped 12-speed examples at 808 Cycles, the C Line M12R is listed from 12.0 kg and the P Line Mk2 M12R at approximately 11.1 kg. That is a difference of about 900 g. On paper, 900 g may not sound transformative. In practice, it can be noticeable when lifting the folded bicycle repeatedly—especially on staircases, across overhead bridges or into a vehicle. It matters less once you are riding or rolling the folded bike on its roller wheels. Be honest about your routine: Frequent stair carrying: the P Line’s lower weight becomes valuable every day. Mostly lift access: the C Line’s weight is less likely to be a problem. MRT plus short walks: either works well; the rack-equipped versions are especially convenient for rolling. Regular air travel: every kilogram can matter, although airline baggage rules and the weight of your case must also be considered. The best way to judge the difference is not to read another number online. Fold and lift both bicycles using the same technique, then imagine repeating that movement during your actual commute. Do the C Line and P Line ride differently? Yes, although the difference is subtler than the gap in price might suggest. The C Line has the solid, composed feel many riders associate with a traditional Brompton. Its steel construction is comfortable, predictable and well suited to city riding. The P Line feels lighter and more eager when accelerating or changing direction. Its carbon fork is designed to reduce vibration, while its lighter front end and updated components contribute to a more refined feel. Riders who are sensitive to road buzz or who enjoy a livelier bicycle may appreciate it immediately. Tyres, tyre pressure, handlebar height, saddle position and luggage load can also change how a Brompton feels. A correctly fitted C Line may suit you better than a P Line in the wrong configuration. This is why a meaningful test ride should include fitting advice rather than a quick lap on an unfamiliar setup. Is the P Line faster? Not automatically. A lighter bicycle can feel quicker when accelerating and climbing, but your fitness, riding position, tyres, luggage and route usually make a larger difference to real-world speed. For Singapore commuting, the P Line’s biggest practical advantage is usually easier handling off the bike—not a dramatic increase in average speed. Choose it because its lower weight and ride refinement improve your routine, not because you expect it to turn every journey into a race. What about 4-speed versus 12-speed? This is a separate decision from C Line versus P Line. Both lines can be found with different gearing configurations, and the right choice depends on where and how you ride. A 4-speed model is lighter and mechanically simpler. Its 163% range can be enough for flat urban journeys, park connectors and riders who value low weight over maximum versatility. A 12-speed model offers a much broader 402% range. It is the more flexible choice for Mount Faber, Henderson Road, longer weekend rides, heavier front luggage or anyone who prefers smaller steps between comfortable pedalling ratios. If you are comparing two 12-speed models, the C Line and P Line give you the same broad percentage gear range. The decision then comes back to materials, weight, ride feel and budget. For a detailed explanation of the two drivetrains, read our Singapore guide to Brompton 4-speed versus 12-speed gearing. Which is easier to use with Singapore’s MRT? Both are excellent for mixed cycling and public-transport journeys because they share the compact Brompton fold. The P Line is easier to lift through a station or onto a train, but the C Line remains highly practical—particularly with a rack and good roller wheels. If you normally wheel the bike from the gantry to the platform and only carry it for short moments, the difference may not justify the price premium. If your journey includes staircases or long walking transfers, the P Line’s weight saving becomes more meaningful. Read our practical guide to bringing a Brompton on Singapore’s MRT for folding etiquette and everyday travel tips. Is the P Line worth the additional cost? At the time of writing, the current 808 Cycles C Line M12R examples are listed at S$3,270, while the P Line Mk2 M12R Dune Sand is listed at S$5,120. The difference is S$1,850. That premium buys lighter materials, an easier carry and a more refined set of components. It does not buy a smaller fold, a wider 12-speed gear range or permission to use the MRT—both bicycles already provide those fundamental Brompton advantages. The P Line is worth considering when: You carry the bicycle up stairs or lift it several times on most journeys. You place high value on weight reduction. You prefer the ride feel of the carbon fork and titanium rear frame. You appreciate its premium component package and intend to keep the bicycle for many years. The additional cost is comfortable within your budget. The C Line is likely the better purchase when: You want the best balance of capability and price. You rarely carry the bicycle for more than a few moments. You want the classic steel Brompton experience. You would rather spend the difference on luggage, riding equipment or future servicing. You are unsure whether you would notice or value the P Line’s refinements. For many first-time owners, the C Line is the rational choice. For someone who already knows that carrying weight is the main barrier to using a bicycle regularly, the P Line can be the smarter long-term decision. Which Brompton would we recommend? There is no honest answer based only on which model costs more. Choose the C Line if you want a highly capable Brompton with strong value, broad configuration choices and the traditional steel character. It is not a compromise for ordinary Singapore use; for many riders, it is the most sensible model in the range. Choose the P Line if frequent lifting is part of your real routine, or if you genuinely value its lighter construction, carbon fork and more refined component package. The benefit is most convincing when it removes friction from using your Brompton every day. If you want an even lighter comparison, read our guide to the Brompton P Line versus T Line in Singapore. You can also explore the long-term cost of Brompton ownership or our checklist for buying a used Brompton in Singapore. Frequently asked questions What is the main difference between a Brompton C Line and P Line? The standard C Line uses steel for its main frame, rear frame and fork. A current P Line Mk2 combines a steel main frame with a titanium rear frame, carbon fork and lighter components. This reduces carrying weight and changes the ride feel, but both retain the compact Brompton fold. Which is lighter: C Line or P Line? The P Line is lighter. In the current rack-equipped 12-speed examples at 808 Cycles, the C Line M12R is listed from 12.0 kg and the P Line Mk2 M12R at approximately 11.1 kg. Always compare like-for-like configurations because racks, lighting, saddles and gearing affect the final weight. Do the C Line and P Line fold to the same size? They have broadly the same compact folded footprint. The P Line’s main portability advantage is lower weight, not a substantially smaller folded package. Do the 12-speed C Line and P Line have the same gear range? Yes. Current 12-speed versions use Brompton’s combined derailleur and internal-hub system to provide a 402% range. Model-specific component details may differ, so check the exact bicycle listing. Which Brompton is better for commuting in Singapore? Both work well. The C Line offers better value if you mainly ride and roll the bicycle. The P Line is more attractive if your commute includes frequent lifting, stairs or transfers where lower weight makes the journey easier. Is the C Line durable enough for daily use? Yes. The C Line is Brompton’s classic city bicycle and is designed for regular use. Whichever line you choose, correct setup, tyre pressure, chain care and preventive servicing matter more than the model name alone. Should a first-time Brompton buyer choose C Line or P Line? The C Line is the best-value starting point for many first-time buyers. Choose the P Line when you already know that lower weight or its particular ride and components will make you use the bicycle more often. Compare the C Line and P Line in person 808 Cycles has been a Brompton Authorised Dealer in Singapore since 2016. We ride Bromptons ourselves and can help you compare weight, handlebar height, gearing, rack options and luggage based on how you genuinely plan to use the bicycle. Browse our current Brompton C Line bicycles, Brompton P Line bicycles or all Brompton folding bicycles available in Singapore. Still undecided? WhatsApp 808 Cycles to arrange a showroom visit and test ride. Bring your normal work bag if possible—the most useful comparison is the one that reflects your actual journey. About the author: Bob Lee is the founder of 808 Cycles, a Brompton Authorised Dealer in Singapore since 2016. He rides a Brompton regularly and helps customers choose, set up and maintain their bicycles for everyday use in Singapore. ]]> 52834 Buying a Used Brompton in Singapore? 12 Things to Check Before You Pay. /2026/09/03/buying-used-brompton-singapore-checklist/ Wed, 02 Sep 2026 16:52:15 +0000 /?p=52352 A used Brompton can be an excellent buy in Singapore. It lets you enjoy the compact fold, easy transport and long service life for less than the price of a new bicycle. But a low asking price does not always mean a bargain—especially when the bike has spent years unused in a humid storeroom, balcony or service yard. Before paying, look beyond the paint colour and accessories. Worn tyres, hardened rim tapes, rust, drivetrain wear and unauthorised modifications can quickly turn a seemingly cheap Brompton into an expensive repair project. Use these 12 checks to judge the bike properly and budget for the work it may need. 1. Confirm that it is a genuine Brompton Check the frame and serial numbers, and ask the seller for the original receipt or ownership history where possible. The numbers should be clear, untampered with and consistent with the bicycle being offered. Be cautious if the seller cannot explain where the bike came from, refuses to provide identifying details, or pressures you to complete the deal immediately. A genuine, traceable bicycle is also easier to service correctly because its model year and original specification can be identified. 2. Inspect the frame, hinges and fork Examine the main frame tube, rear frame, fork and handlebar stem under good lighting. Look for dents, cracks, ripples in the paint, deep scratches around welds or signs that damaged areas have been touched up. Fold and unfold the bicycle several times. Both hinges should close positively, and the hinge clamps should tighten securely without needing excessive force. A small cosmetic mark is different from structural damage; if anything looks distorted or misaligned, have the bicycle inspected before buying it. 3. Look carefully for rust Singapore’s humidity can corrode a Brompton even when it is rarely ridden. Inspect the seatpost, inside the seat tube where visible, brake-caliper bolts, chainring bolts, spoke nipples, cable fittings and other exposed steel hardware. Surface marks may be manageable, but widespread corrosion suggests long-term damp storage and may hide additional problems. Ask where the bicycle was kept. Indoor storage in a dry room is preferable. A bike left outdoors, on a balcony or on a porch may have suffered repeated condensation and rain exposure. 4. Check tyre age, tread and sidewalls Do not judge a tyre only by how much tread remains. Rubber hardens with age, especially when a bicycle has sat unused for years. Inspect both tyres for cracks, small pits, flat spots, exposed threads, brittle sidewalls or a shiny hardened surface. Old tyres can have poor grip in wet conditions even if they still look “new”. If the bicycle dates from the COVID cycling boom and retains its original tyres, include replacement tyres in your budget. 5. Remember the inner tubes and rim tapes Inner tubes and rim tapes also deteriorate with time. A hardened tube can split, while cracked or displaced rim tape can expose the tube to spoke holes and cause sudden punctures. These parts cannot be assessed fully from an exterior photograph, so assume that an older, long-unused bicycle may need fresh tubes and rim tapes. 6. Test every gear under load A quick spin of the wheel while the bike is on a stand is not enough. Ride the bicycle safely and shift through every gear while applying moderate pedal pressure. The changes should be predictable, without hesitation, grinding or the chain jumping unexpectedly. A gear that works during a gentle test may skip when climbing. Problems can come from adjustment, worn cables, a stretched chain, worn sprockets or incompatible aftermarket parts. 7. Inspect the chain, chainring and rear sprockets Look for rust, stiff links and heavy dirt on the chain. Check whether the chainring teeth or rear sprocket teeth look hooked, pointed or unevenly worn. A new chain fitted to badly worn sprockets may still skip, so these components often need to be assessed as a system. Ask what parts were previously replaced and whether original Brompton gearing components were retained. Keep this information with the bicycle’s service history. 8. Check the brakes properly Squeeze both brake levers. They should feel firm and return smoothly. Inspect the brake pads for remaining material and even contact with the rim. Pads must not touch the tyre, and the calipers should release cleanly after braking. Also inspect cables, housings, fixing bolts and levers for corrosion or damage. Never treat an improvised brake modification as an upgrade merely because it looks different or expensive. 9. Examine the wheels and rims Spin each wheel and watch the rim relative to the brake pads. Side-to-side movement, rubbing, loose spokes or a pulsing brake feel may indicate that the wheel needs attention. Inspect the rim braking surfaces for excessive wear, dents and damage. At 808 Cycles, lateral wheel truing is measured using a dial gauge and completed to ±0.05 mm as part of eligible full-service work. 10. Test the complete folding sequence A Brompton should fold and unfold smoothly without forcing parts into position. Test the rear-frame fold, main hinge, handlebar stem, seatpost and pedal. Confirm that the folded package sits correctly and that catches, clamps and contact points operate as intended. Difficulty folding may be caused by adjustment, damage, incompatible accessories or modifications that interfere with the original design. 11. Identify unauthorised or incompatible modifications Modified bikes require extra care. Ask the seller for the original parts and a list of everything changed, especially brakes, gearing, wheel components and control parts. Some aftermarket combinations make diagnosis difficult and may prevent a straightforward replacement with original Brompton parts. 808 Cycles uses original Brompton gearing components for service replacements and does not support unauthorised gear conversions. If a bicycle has been substantially modified, obtain an assessment before committing to the purchase. 12. Calculate the real cost after servicing Add the likely refurbishment cost to the asking price. A cheaper bicycle needing tyres, tubes, rim tapes, chain, sprockets, brake pads, cables and corrosion work may cost more overall than a better-maintained example. Ask for service invoices rather than relying only on statements such as “hardly used” or “recently serviced”. Low mileage does not stop rubber from ageing or humidity from causing corrosion. Used Brompton or new Brompton? A carefully maintained, original-specification used Brompton can offer excellent value. It may be the right choice if its history is clear, the frame is sound and the final cost remains attractive after preventive maintenance. A new bicycle may be the better option when the used bike has uncertain ownership, structural damage, extensive corrosion or complicated modifications. Compare the complete ownership cost, not just the advertised price. What should you do after buying a used Brompton? If the service history is incomplete, arrange a thorough inspection before regular riding. A full service is especially sensible for a bicycle that is more than two years old, has been stored unused or has unknown replacement parts. An eligible 808 Cycles full service can include Continental Contact Urban tyres, Continental inner tubes, original Brompton rim tapes, an original Brompton chain and rear sprockets, general cleaning and lateral wheel truing to ±0.05 mm. Complimentary two-way bicycle transport makes the process convenient for owners across Singapore. See our Brompton servicing information for current package details. Frequently asked questions Is a lightly used Brompton automatically in good condition? No. Rubber parts age even when the bicycle is not ridden, and Singapore humidity can cause corrosion during storage. Condition, storage and maintenance history matter more than mileage alone. Should I service a used Brompton immediately after buying it? If the history is unknown, the bike is over two years old or it has been unused for a long period, a full inspection and preventive service are recommended before frequent riding. Are aftermarket modifications always a problem? Not every accessory is harmful, but changes to brakes, gears and critical components must be compatible and safely installed. Unauthorised conversions can complicate repairs and may prevent direct replacement with original Brompton components. What are the most common hidden costs? Age-hardened tyres, inner tubes, rim tapes, worn chains and sprockets, thinning brake pads, cables, wheel work and corrosion-related replacements are common costs that buyers overlook. Before deciding, compare the long-term cost of Brompton ownership in Singapore and learn why a bicycle that has sat unused may still need a full service. Need a used Brompton checked in Singapore? 808 Cycles Pte. Ltd. is a Singapore Brompton Authorised Dealer. If you are considering a used bicycle—or have already bought one—WhatsApp +65 9820 8642 to arrange an assessment or convenient two-way pickup for servicing. You can also browse more practical ownership advice in our Brompton articles. ]]> 52352 Has Your Brompton Been Sitting Unused? Why It May Be Time for a Full Service /2026/07/24/unused-brompton-full-service-singapore/ Fri, 24 Jul 2026 05:57:37 +0000 /?p=52241 Many Bromptons were purchased during the COVID period, when cycling became one of the best ways to exercise, explore Singapore and spend time outdoors. Since then, normal work and family commitments have returned. Some of these bicycles have remained folded in storerooms, utility rooms, balconies or corners of living rooms for several years. If this describes your Brompton, it may still look almost new—but that does not necessarily mean it is ready to ride. Tyres, inner tubes and rim tapes continue to age even when a bicycle is not being used. Singapore’s humidity can also encourage corrosion on exposed steel components. Before unfolding your Brompton and taking it back onto the road, it is sensible to have it properly inspected and serviced. 808 Cycles makes this convenient with two-way bicycle pickup and delivery in Singapore. Does an Unused Brompton Really Need Servicing? Yes. At 808 Cycles, we recommend a full service approximately every two years or 10,000 kilometres, whichever comes first. The two-year recommendation applies even if the bicycle has only been ridden a few times. A bicycle does not stop ageing when it is folded. Over time, the rubber compounds in its tyres, inner tubes and rim tapes can harden, dry out or crack. A Brompton that has been sitting unused for several years should therefore be inspected before returning to regular use. Simply inflating the tyres and riding away may not reveal components that have deteriorated during storage. What Can Happen While a Brompton Is in Storage? Several problems can develop even when the bicycle is not being ridden. Tyres can harden and crack Tyres gradually deteriorate with age and exposure to heat and humidity. The rubber may harden, reducing its grip, while cracks or small pits can develop in the surface. Inspect the tyres for: Cracks along the tread or sidewalls Small pits or holes in the rubber Flat or deformed areas Exposed casing threads Unusually hard or slippery surfaces Tyre condition is especially important in Singapore, where riders regularly encounter wet roads, painted markings, metal drain covers and slippery paths. Inner tubes and rim tapes can deteriorate Inner tubes can dry out and become less reliable with age. Rim tapes may also harden, shift or crack, potentially exposing the inner tube to the spoke holes inside the wheel rim. This can cause punctures even when the tyre still appears serviceable from the outside. Steel components can corrode Singapore’s humidity can cause corrosion even when a bicycle has not been ridden in the rain. Areas that commonly require attention include: The chain The seatpost Brake-caliper bolts Chainring bolts Other exposed steel components Bromptons stored outdoors, on balconies or on porches are particularly vulnerable. Lubricants can dry out Old chain lubricant can dry up or attract dirt. A chain that has been left untouched for years may become dry, rusty or stiff, even if it has covered very little distance. How Often Should You Service a Brompton? For most Brompton owners, 808 Cycles recommends a full service every two years or 10,000 kilometres, whichever comes first. The appropriate interval also depends on how frequently and under what conditions the bicycle is used. Occasional riders Even if you only ride a few times each year, arrange a full inspection after approximately two years. Age-related deterioration can affect the tyres, inner tubes, rim tapes and other components regardless of the distance travelled. Regular commuters If you use your Brompton regularly for commuting, inspect its chain, rear sprockets, brake pads and tyres frequently. Do not wait until the two-year mark if the braking, shifting or handling begins to feel different. Heavy users High-mileage riders should arrange a full service at approximately 10,000-kilometre intervals. Depending on the riding conditions, the chain, rear sprockets, tyres and brake pads may require replacement sooner. Frequent wet-weather riders Rainwater encourages corrosion and washes lubricant away from the chain. After riding in the rain: Dry the bicycle thoroughly. Allow any trapped moisture to evaporate. Lubricate the chain after it has dried. Store the bicycle in a dry indoor environment. An air-conditioned bedroom or another dry interior space is ideal. Do not leave your Brompton outdoors, on a balcony or on an open porch. Even if the bicycle is sheltered from direct rain, prolonged exposure to Singapore’s humidity can cause corrosion. A small and carefully directed application of WD-40 Multi-Use Product on exposed steel brake-caliper bolts and steel chainring bolts can help displace moisture. Take care not to spray it onto the wheel rims, brake pads, tyres or other braking surfaces. WD-40 Multi-Use Product should also not be used as a substitute for the correct bicycle-chain lubricant. Warning Signs That Your Brompton Needs Attention Arrange an inspection if you notice any of the following: The chain skips when you pedal Gear changes are hesitant, noisy or unreliable Tyre casing threads are becoming visible The tyres have cracks, pits or hardened surfaces The bicycle suffers repeated punctures The brake pads are becoming thin Braking performance has deteriorated The wheels appear to wobble The chain is dry, stiff or rusty Rust is developing on the seatpost, bolts or other components The bicycle has been stored for several years without inspection Do not wait for a component to fail during a ride. Preventive maintenance is safer and usually less disruptive than dealing with a puncture, unreliable brakes or a mechanical breakdown away from home. Three Essential Things to Do Between Services 1. Lubricate the chain Clean and lubricate the chain regularly, particularly after riding in the rain. Always allow the chain to dry before applying a suitable bicycle-chain lubricant. 2. Check the tyre pressures Small Brompton tyres naturally lose pressure over time. Check and inflate them regularly according to the recommended pressure range printed on the tyre. Correct tyre pressure helps the bicycle roll efficiently and reduces the risk of pinch punctures and premature tyre damage. 3. Keep the bicycle dry This is especially important in Singapore. Dry the bicycle thoroughly after riding in the rain and store it inside a dry room. Avoid balconies, porches and other areas exposed to rain, condensation or consistently high humidity. If you remember only one piece of maintenance advice, remember this: Keep your Brompton dry. What Is Included in a Full Brompton Recommissioning? Every bicycle is different. 808 Cycles will inspect your Brompton before confirming which parts need to be replaced. For a Brompton that has been unused for several years, a comprehensive recommissioning may include: New Continental Contact Urban tyres New Continental inner tubes New original Brompton rim tapes New original Brompton chain New original Brompton rear sprockets Brake-pad inspection and replacement where required Brake and gear adjustment General cleaning Wheel inspection and precision truing Inspection for corrosion, wear and age-related deterioration Using the correct components helps preserve the bicycle’s intended braking, shifting, folding and riding performance. Precision Wheel Truing to Within ±0.05 mm Wheel truing at 808 Cycles is measured with a dial indicator rather than judged only by eye. Each marking on the gauge represents 0.01 mm. Where the condition of the rim permits, we reduce its maximum total lateral movement to 0.10 mm. This is equivalent to approximately ±0.05 mm from the centre. This measurement allows the lateral movement of the rim to be checked precisely as the wheel rotates. It is one example of the attention to detail that goes into a full service at 808 Cycles. Be Careful With Unauthorised Brake and Gear Modifications Brompton brake and gear components are designed to work together as complete systems. Changing individual parts without properly considering compatibility can affect braking performance, gear operation, cable routing and the availability of replacement parts in the future. If non-original brake or gear components have been installed, an authorised Brompton dealer may not be able to replace an individual aftermarket part directly with an original Brompton component. The original component may no longer be compatible with the modified assembly. In some cases, the complete brake or gear system may first need to be restored to its original Brompton specification. Before making modifications to your Brompton, consider: Whether the component is compatible with the complete system Whether original replacement parts can still be installed later Whether the modification changes the cable routing Whether it affects the folding operation Whether it affects braking or shifting reliability Whether the installer can provide replacement parts and ongoing technical support Cosmetic customisation is one matter. Unauthorised modifications to safety-critical brake and gear components sh


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Comentarios en: Qué es Dios Aprovecha cada segundo del día, ¡hay 86400! Wed, 07 Jul 2010 20:19:03 +0000 hourly 1 Por: juan daniel #comment-573362 Wed, 07 Jul 2010 20:19:03 +0000 #comment-573362 DIOS quien nos creo, el creo con su fuerza todo el universo. Eso es DIOS. agregenme mi email es:juan_d_f@live.com ]]> Por: Juanito #comment-562029 Sat, 08 May 2010 22:46:58 +0000 #comment-562029 ¿CÓMO ES DIOS? Bueno, ¿cómo lo describe la Biblia? Lo representa, no como una central de fuerza impersonal o algún abstracto “principio superior,” sino como una Persona inteligente que tiene sentimientos, gustos y aversiones. Eso armoniza con la lógica sana. ¿Por qué? Tal vez usted ha estado bajo el cielo estrellado en una noche despejada. ¿No le han impresionado la grandeza y el orden de los cielos? ¿Podría usted concluir que una simple fuerza impersonal produjo un orden tan espléndido por la “casualidad ciega”? ¿O son los cielos la obra de una mente inteligente? Lo que contestó un negociante cuando se le preguntó por qué creía en la existencia de un Creador inteligente suministra una respuesta razonable: “A una joven en nuestra fábrica le toma aproximadamente dos días aprender a armar las 17 piezas de una máquina cortadora de carne. Puede que todos estos millones de mundos, cada cual con su órbita separada, y todos tan maravillosamente equilibrados en el espacio… puede que sencillamente hayan llegado a existir por casualidad. “Puede que después de mil millones de años de dar tumbos por fin se hayan dispuesto de manera ordenada. No lo sé, no soy más que un simple fabricante de cuchillería. Pero esto sí sé, que uno puede sacudir las 17 piezas de una máquina cortadora de carne en una tina de lavar durante los próximos 17 mil millones de años y nunca obtendrá una máquina cortadora de carne.” Tal como solo una persona con inteligencia podría arreglar las piezas de una máquina cortadora de carne en un instrumento de precisión, así, también, la lógica señala a la conclusión de que solo una Persona inteligente de imponente poder podría haber ordenado nuestro universo con toda su intrincada organización. La Biblia está en pleno acuerdo con esta conclusión sensata, pues dice: “Levanten sus ojos a lo alto y vean. ¿Quién ha creado estas cosas? Es Aquel que está sacando el ejército de ellas aun por número, todas las cuales él llama aun por nombre. Debido a la abundancia de energía dinámica, él también siendo vigoroso en poder, ninguna de ellas falta.”—Isa. 40:26. Así, por medio de examinar los cielos comenzamos a reconocer con aprecio la verdad de otro comentario que la Biblia hace acerca de Dios: “Sus cualidades invisibles se ven claramente desde la creación del mundo en adelante, porque se perciben por medio de las cosas hechas, hasta su poder sempiterno y Divinidad, de modo que son inexcusables.”—Rom. 1:20. Juanito ]]> Por: jorge mendez #comment-537735 Tue, 26 Jan 2010 05:36:25 +0000 #comment-537735 Dios esDIOS ]]> Por: Ivan #comment-534388 Sat, 26 Dec 2009 01:17:15 +0000 #comment-534388 Existe ó no Dios? tengo la seguridad que sí, no lo entiendo, no lo veo, pero uno siente emociones indescriptibles con solo ver un atardecer y la alegría que sientes cuando ayudas al prójimo sin ningún interés, sentimientos no materiales, que tienen un sentido, cuando se nos acaba la breve vida material,estoy seguro que vamos a formar parte de un mundo espiritual perfecto, que para mí es DIOS, por lo que mientras viva en este mundo material, debo amar al prójimo como a mi mismo, porque todos somos hermanos, seamos solidarios, pero no ingenuos. Respetemos las creencias, pero nos seamos fanáticos Que Dios nos guie en este diciembre del 2009 Paz real y respeto al Mundo ]]> Por: lore #comment-503240 Wed, 20 May 2009 13:44:23 +0000 #comment-503240 mira lo malo lo hacemos nosotros!!!creo en DIOS!! y las cosas malas lo hacen el ser humano inconciente!! DIOS te dio la vida!!! ya tu te ves con lo que haces con la tuya!!! ]]> Por: JORGE #comment-501419 Sun, 10 May 2009 06:39:41 +0000 #comment-501419 De qué nos serbiría el libre alvedrío, si no hubiera opciones de donde elegir?,no fué acaso esta «libertad» , el mayor regalo de Dios?, si todo fuese «bueno» podríamos optar por algo más?, juzga Dios entre bueno y malo?, puede el hombre cuya mente es finita abarcar algo que es infinito?,si alguien todopoderoso pudiera, por ejemplo crear una piedra tan pesada que el mismo no la pudiese levantar, en ese caso: no sería todopoderoso, verdad?, pues no podría con dicha piedra.si no la pudiese crear, entonces tampoco lo sería, o no? se rige Dios por las mismas leyes fisicas que nosotros?, si Dios no ha creado el mal, podría verlo, como nosotros?, o este al estar en presencia de Dios dejaría de ser? En el génesis se lee:»infundió Dios a Adan un sueño profundo» le sacó una costilla con la cual creo a Eva. Pero en ninguna parte dice que lo volvió a despertar de ese sueño profundo. En otra parte dice:»creó Dios todas las cosas», «y vio Dios que era bueno», donde ponemos entonces los problemas, las catastrofes y la muerte?. puedo seguir indefinidamente con estas preguntas… Pero digo: estaremos buzcando en el lugar correcto?, nos estaremos haciendo las preguntas correctas?. ]]> Por: Ronny #comment-477636 Sat, 17 Jan 2009 23:53:11 +0000 #comment-477636 Dios existe tenganlo x seguro,y si no ase nada x el mundo es xque todo lo malo que pasa en este mundo lo origina el mismo hombre,el nos dio x eso libre albedrio,pero buscalo tu en lo mas profundo de tu ser y el t ayudara siempre. ]]> Por: Lizersoul #comment-453905 Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:14:05 +0000 #comment-453905 ¿Cómo es Dios en Realidad? Recordemos el Versículo de Memoria ISAIAS 66:1 *El cielo es mi Trono, y la tierra el estrado de mis pies*. Yo no se si uds alguna vez se han puesto a pensar en que está vida hay ideas demasiado grandes como para poder asimilarlas. Una de ellas es la Inmensidad del Universo, con sus miles y millones de estrellas, planetas, constelaciones… Para mi Dios es otra de las ideas demasiado grande para que mi mente la digiera. La Biblia dice que Dios creó el Universo. Colosenses 1:16 ( Por él fueron creadas todas las cosas, las que están en los cielos y las que están en la tierra, visibles e invisibles; sean tronos, dominios, principados o autoridades. Todo fue creado por medio de él y para él. ) Es decir que Dios hizo todo ¿Cómo es posible entender al Dios que hizo todo eso? Afortunadamente tenemos ayuda, donde Dios nos dice como es él y lo ha dejado registrado en su palabra: La Biblia Es imposible que la Biblia nos diga todo acerca de Dios pero lo que nos dice es la verdad. Es importante que entendamos está verdad. Por la siguiente manera: Dios es Todopoderoso Dios es Omnipotente Estos términos se usan 10 veces en el nuevo testamento. Ejemplo Apoc. 1:8 “Yo soy el Alfa y la Omega, el que es, el que era y el que ha de venir, el todopoderoso“ Y en el viejo testamento encontramos el todopoderoso 17 veces, una de ellas en Génesis 17:1 cuando se le aparece a Abraham y le dice “Yo soy el Dios Todopoderoso“. Como sabemos Dios creó el universo y así como lo creó: también puede destruirlo. Ejemplo: Hay una niña jugando con unos bloques de madera o legos, ella arma casitas y torres hasta dejarlos bien rectos, pero así como los arma con cuidado, le encanta mandarles un manotazo y derrumbarlos, por que lo disfruta verlos caer y volver a armar algo nuevo. La verdad es que si Dios quisiera podría borrar todo el universo en un segundo. La verdad es que así de grande es su poder ¡Hasta da miedo pensarlo! Dios es Omnisciente ¿Esto es una buena o mala noticia? Lo pregunto por que Dios sabe todo lo que se pueda saber. En el salmo 139:2 el salmista dice: “Tu conoces mi sentarme y mi levantarme“ ¡Dios conoce hasta los pensamientos de las personas¡ en el mismo salmo dice “desde lejos entiendes mis pensamientos y aún no está la palabra en mi lengua, tu la sabes toda“ Dios es Omnipresente Es decir que Dios esta en todas partes. Salomón hablando de la inmensidad de Dios nos dice en 1Reyes 8:27 “Los cielos, los cielos de los cielos, no te pueden contener“ E Isaias 66:1 “El cielo es mi Trono, y la tierra el estrado de mis pies“ dice el señor. Si analizamos todo hasta ahora, tenemos que: Dios sabe todo sobre nosotros, pero lo mejor de todo es que él está con nosotros. Donde quiera que vayamos el va a estar ahí también. Se puede decir que está continuamente al acecho, pero es un Acecho Divino. ¡Da miedo el sólo pensarlo¡ Pero ¿Por qué da miedo? Imaginemos que nosotros tenemos un pajarito y lo tomamos en nuestras manos. Lo podemos acariciar, y sostenerlo suavemente entre nuestros dedos. Y si notamos lo tenemos en nuestras manos, fácilmente podríamos apretarlo hasta dejarlo sin vida o solo dejarlo ir. El punto es que Dios nos acecha con Amor. Sabe lo que hacemos e incluso lo que pensamos. Sabe donde estamos y lo mejor de todo es que el está con nosotros, además de que él tiene el poder de dar y de quitar todo. ¡No es de extrañar que algunas Religiones sólo enseñen a sus miembros a tenerle miedo a Dios! Cuando el es puro amor. ¿Cómo es Realmente Dios? ¿Entendemos por que es importante que sepamos cómo es Dios Realmente? Por que la gente lo mal entiende. Si es cierto que el sabe todo y que está presente en todo lugar. Pero él no es un Dios vengativo, ni siente odio hacia ningún ser humano. El Dios del cual la Biblia nos habla nos ama demasiado, en Juan 4:8 dice con toda claridad: “Dios es amor“. Cuando Adán y Eva desobedecieron en el Edén, Dios no se deshizo de ellos. Por el contrario, los busco y hablo con ellos y les ofreció la manera de escapar de la sentencia de Muerte. Juan 3:16 dice: “de tal manera amo Dios al mundo que dio a su Hijo Único, para que todo el que crea en él, no perezca, sino tenga vida eterna“. Todos sabemos que la paga del pecado es la muerte, pero…¿Será nuestra muerte o la del Hijo de Dios? Los seres humanos fuimos creados para tener una amistad con Dios, pero elegimos ser independientes de él: llegamos a ser “enemigos de Dios“ Leamos Romanos 5:10 e Isaías 59:2 son versículos que confirman nuestra enemistad con Dios. Finalmente como el plan ideado desde la eternidad, Dios envió a su Hijo para redimir a los humanos “a fin de que recibiéramos la adopción de Hijos“ Todo lo opuesto a la separación. El abismo entre Dios y los seres humanos era tan grande que sólo Dios podía cruzarlo. En tiempos del Antiguo testamento por medio del servicio del Santuario, Dios le mostró a Israel que la consecuencia del pecado es la muerte. Y en el nuevo testamento Pablo declaró: “La paga del pecado es la muerte“ Romanos 6:23 Volvamos a la pregunta Inicial ¿La muerte de quién? ¡La Nuestra! Sin embargo el plan de Dios era diferente. Jesús moriría por Nosotros, en nuestro lugar. Está es la propiciación Vicaria “Jesús en mi lugar“ Jesús murió por nosotros, lo hizo como nuestro representante: Según Pablo en 2Corintios 5:14 “Si uno murió por todos, luego todos han muerto“ Mateo 20:28 Jesús dijo que vino para “dar“ su vida en rescate por el mundo Por la muerte de Cristo se cerro el abismo. Y por esa muerte es que soy acepto ahora, soy perfecto otra vez y soy perdonado siempre y cuando yo acepte esta muerte. En conclusión puedo decir que Dios tiene gran poder, es eterno y creador del universo, tiene infinita sabiduría, esta donde estamos, sabe lo que hacemos, nos ama demasiado y conoce nuestros pensamientos. Todo esto son en realidad buenas noticias, significa que el nos entiende, se preocupa por cada uno de nosotros y busca como ayudarnos. Aún cuando las cosas no salen bien, se puede confiar en que él tiene una buena razón para permitir que las cosas pasen Dios quiere ser mi amigo. Sin embargo no me presiona. El es demasiado considerado para hacerlo. Más bien espera que sea yo quien le diga: “SI“ ]]> Por: Juvenal López M. #comment-443259 Wed, 01 Oct 2008 19:50:32 +0000 #comment-443259 Hay un español que parece tener problemas de conducta, cuando se trata temas acerca de Dios. Vaya, eso si es un problema que este adolorido mundo tiene que cargar. Bueno, por la forma en que escribes, eres la misma raza que engañó a mis antepasados. Lee bien, español, esto: Los españoles, no llegaron a evangelizar, llegaron a robar, matar y destruir, en nombre de la religión. Ellos en una mano trajeron la espada, y en la otra la cruz de la muerte. Ellos no sabían nada de Dios, por eso, hicieron lo que hicieron. La Biblia no fomenta religiones. El romanismo y tantas religiones que hay, son solo eso, religiones. La Biblia habla de libertad, aquello que tu no tienes. Libertad del pecado. Libertad para respetar y amar al projimo. Dios te ayude, tenga misericordia de ti, y espero seas honesto y sincero con los tuyos, y si eres casado, seas fiel. Recuerda, todo lo que el hombre sembrares, eso cosechará. Dios es bueno, El quiere que todos se arrepietan y vengan al conocimiento de la VERDAD que es CRISTO JESUS. El vino a traer vida y Vida en Abundancia. ¿Por que no lo recibes en tu vida? Felicidades y mis respetos, amigo. Viva la España Moderna. Y que Dios te bendiga a ti. Oraré or ti. Felicidades, amigo. ]]> Por: Cesc #comment-443130 Wed, 01 Oct 2008 13:08:13 +0000 #comment-443130 Juvenal: veo que no tienes palabra propia. Sólo eres capaz de escribir lo que otros ya han escrito. Por lo de tu victimismo sudaméricano (conste que no pretendo ofender ni ser racista con tu pueblo), aclarar un par de aspectos: Uno. Gente como tú es parte de la herencia que los conquistadores dejaron en América. Básicamente fueron en busca de El Dorado (todo el oro y fortunas que pudieron expoliar) y a evangelizar a los nativos. Y doy fe que en eso de la evangelización tuvieron éxito, quizá hasta demasiado. Dos. Piensa en que esos genocidas a los que dices haber perdonado son tus antepasados. Los míos se quedaron en España para que yo naciera aquí (en España). ]]> Por: Juvenal López M. #comment-443084 Wed, 01 Oct 2008 11:13:06 +0000 #comment-443084 La Biblia declara: Dice el necio en su corazón: No hay Dios. Se han corrompido, hacen obras abominables; no hay quien haga el bien. Dios miró desde os cielos sobre los hijos de los hombres para ver si había algun entendido que buscara a Dios. Todos se desviaron, a una se han corrompido, no hay quien haga lo bueno, no hay ni siquiera uno. ¿No tienen discernmiento todos los que hacen iniquidad? Salmo 14:1-4. La paga del pecado es muerte. Dios no es Dios de muertos, si no de vivos. Desde la eternidad hasta la eternidad, tu eres Dios. Así afirma la Biblia. Los malos se ofenden hasta de sus réplicas. Dios pide que se arrepientan, antes que sea demasiado tarde. Soy de Sudamerica. Perú. La tierra que los antiguos españoles vinieron a robar, matar y destruir. Pero todo quedó atrás, yo he perdonado a la antigua España, porque actuó en ignorancia, y la ignoranca se perdona. Asi hago con aquellos, que no conocen ni respetan a Dios. Son dignos de educarlos. ]]> Por: Cesc #comment-442930 Wed, 01 Oct 2008 06:39:29 +0000 #comment-442930 Lo dicho, palabrería ausente de contenido. No demostráis nada. No hay ninguna razón en la fe, una vez más te contradices. Esteril debate el que mantener. Sin duda recibiste un eficaz adoctrinamiento. Lástima… ]]> Por: Juvenal López M. #comment-442627 Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:33:51 +0000 #comment-442627 La Biblia dice: ¿Por que se amotinan las gentes y los pueblos piensan cosas vanas? Los pecadores al verse descubiertos, inflan el pecho para tapar lo intapable, sus pecados. ¿Por que se afanan en decir que el sol es la luna? Una vez más, me confirma la Biblia, que los engañadores irán de mal en peor, engañando y siendo engañados. Pero hay algo mucho peor, que los mentirosos, asimismo se engañan. No tengan miedo al juicio, mas bien, arrepientanse. Porque Dios dice, no hay nada que no halla de saberse ni cosa oculta que no halla de salir a la luz. Los que se afanan en contender con la razón de la fe, son los mas creyentes en Dios, por eso, se asustan y tratan de engatuzar a los demás parloteando. La Biblia dice, en las muchas palabras no falta pecado. Saludos amigos, mis respetos a todos, sin excepeción. Yo he sido un pecador, me he arrepentido, ya no practico el pecado. Pero, hay otros que necesitan hacerlo. Felicidades sin dan el paso correcto. Amén. Si, se que duele, por eso, se, que darán otra respuesta, y si no, déjelo alli, amigo. ]]> Por: Cesc #comment-442608 Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:20:47 +0000 #comment-442608 Juvenal: como solemos decir en mi tierra: «te has pasado tres pueblos». Analiza lo que afirmas, por favor: «todo acto de ciencia es fe». Pocas cosas son más falsas que esa afirmación que tan a la ligera y gratuitamente haces. La ciencia es lo opuesto a la fe. La ciencia no se cree, se practica. La ciencia nace de la curiosidad y del escepticismo, de la gente que tuvo a bien en indagar sobre aquellas cuestiones que solían responderse con un encogimiento de hombros, cuando no se explicaban por la intervención divina. Permíteme que te copie/pegue la definición que hace la wikipedia (una de entre las tantas que podrías encontrar en cualquier diccionario, lamentablemente la Biblia no trae de estas cosas): «La ciencia (del latín scientia ‘conocimiento’) es el conocimiento sistematizado, elaborado mediante observaciones, razonamientos y pruebas metódicamente organizadas. La ciencia se vale de diferentes métodos y técnicas para la adquisición y organización de conocimientos sobre la estructura de un conjunto de hechos objetivos y accesibles a varios observadores, además de estar basada en un criterio de verdad y una corrección permanente. La aplicación de esos métodos y conocimientos conduce a la generación de más conocimiento objetivo en forma de predicciones concretas, cuantitativas y comprobables referidas a hechos observables pasados, presentes y futuros. Con frecuencia esas predicciones pueden formularse mediante razonamientos y estructurarse como reglas o leyes universales, que dan cuenta del comportamiento de un sistema y predicen cómo actuará dicho sistema en determinadas circunstancias.» Lo que tras tu brillante afirmación «expones» es una muestra de la palabrería barata y fútil con la que esos predicadores de pacotilla, con número de cuenta bancaria sobreimpresionado en pantalla, os acribillan a diario y eres tan aficionado a ver. No te voy a cuestionar que gente como Newton u otros científicos anteriores a la revolución cuántica creyesen en Dios. Eran otros tiempos, y todavía estaba reciente el triste episodio de Galileo que, como ya sabrás, tuvo que negar ante un tribunal de la «Santísima Inquisición» (Qué gran invento, verdad?), sopena de ser incinerado vivo en una hoguera por hereje, lo que hoy es una evidencia hasta para gente como tú: que la Tierra se mueve. Copérnico publicó póstumamente su teoría heliocéntrica por temor a ser represaliado en vida por la Iglesia, por si te sirve de ejemplo… De hecho, parte de la historia de la ciencia es la historia de cómo la ciencia tuvo que ir superando las trampas y obstáculos con los que la religión se empeñaba en entorpecer su camino. Poco a poco la religión asimila esos conocimientos científicos (al fin y al cabo son ciertos, pues están demostrados científicamente), «actualiza» sus sagradas escrituras haciéndolos suyos y tiene la desfachatez de hacerlo pasar todo por algo preconcebido divinamente, como si conociesen sobradamente «el Plan predispuesto por el Creador». Dado que el público al que van destinadas esas lecturas tiene una capacidad ilimitada de tragarse sin preguntar lo que le pongan delante, el invento funciona. Los que les vemos el plumero o nos indignamos o nos meamos de la risa… hay diversas formas de tomárselo. Veo que firmas como Físico/Químico/Periodista. Suponiendo que fueras al menos una de esas tres cosas ¿Acaso crees que haber desaprovechado esas enseñanzas (como sobradamente has demostrado) te confiere una mayor autoridad sobre el tema? Yo no te voy a decir si poseo una titulación universitaria, ni te voy a decir cuál es. Sólamente te digo que soy una persona curiosa y escéptica y que como tal, pongo a prueba la información que recibo de mi alrededor (incluso la que viene de fuentes científicas). E incluso cuando, por ausencia de puebas o información relevante, sospecho falsedad en algo no creo. A lo sumo dudo. Y para acabar, probablemente haya cometido actos o haya dicho cosas de las que me arrepienta, supongo que como todo ser humano con conciencia y con noción de lo que está bien y lo que no. Pero te aseguro que el no creer en Dios no se encuentra entre ellas. Esos discursillos apocalípticos y las historias del juicio final («arrepentíos, el fin del mundo se acerca!!») son un buen filón para novelas y películas de Hollywood, igual que el «coco» o el «hombre del saco» sirven para que los niños se vayan a la cama. Afortunadamente, para algunos no solamente pasan los años, sino que además crecemos. Saludos! ]]> Por: Juvenal López M. #comment-442301 Tue, 30 Sep 2008 11:43:16 +0000 #comment-442301 Gracias a Dios por la ciencia. Todo acto de ciencia es fe, y la fe es imprecindible para alcanzar altos ideales y descubrimientos. Lo que pasa, es que el pecador en su subconsciente sabe que el castigo le viene y por eso, cual droga empeizan a vociferar que Dios no existe. Dios es. Einstein, Pasteur, Newton, Edinson y muchas celebridades fueron lo que fueron y nos legaron mucho de sus descubrimientos, gracias a sus mentes y corazones íntegros, dando razón a Dios y por eso evidenciaron que detrás de todo, está Dios. Asi que, pecadores, arrepientanse. Nieguen a Dios o digan lo que digan, un día estarán delante de El. Mis respetos. Fisico/Quimico/Periodista ]]>


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Tue, 29 Sep 2026 21:05:29 -0400 webmaster@chnm.gmu.edu (September 11 Digital Archive) Copyright © 2002–2021, Roy Rosenzweig Center for History and New Media and American Social History Project/Center for Media and Learning Zend_Feed Title lc_story242.xml Source born-digital Media Type story Created by Author yes Described by Author no Date Entered 2004-01-12 LC Story: Story I was at work at the University of North Carolina at Charlotte, in my office in the Colvard North building. I walked into the break room to get some coffee and someone told me to watch what was happening on television. I had no idea what had happened. First I thought it was an accident. I watched the TV and the CNN website for most of the day. The Atkins Library staff rolled televisions on carts out into the library, and students in the library likewise watched television all day. LC Story: Memory Sadness. Disbelief. Watching all the people streaming out of New York across the bridges, on foot. Watching the towers fall down. And then, after we received word that something had happened at the Congress or at the Pentagon, wondering if we still had a government. LC Story: Affects We realized that life is uncertain and we can't take it for granted or waste it. We're a lot more suspicious and less trusting. ]]> Tue, 07 Jan 2014 10:40:30 -0500 Title lc_story196.xml Source born-digital Media Type story Created by Author yes Described by Author no Date Entered 2004-01-05 LC Story: Story In my office in Washington DC. Just came into work and the news of the first plane was on the TV. At first I refused to believe it all was on purpose. After we saw another plane hit and heard of another plane headed towards the Capitol...we all bolted for the door and headed to a coworkers home. People were running straight down the street in every direction...as long as it was away from the Capitol Building. On the way to the house, I heard what I thought was another plane hitting the Capitol...I ran back to see for myself and saw it was ok...but the thought of that happening was terrifying. Later I heard it was either a supersonic boom from a fighter overhead or a secondary explosion at the Pentagon. We all watched TV together at my coworkers house. No one's cell phones worked and the land lines were down. The hours watching the tragedy seemed to speed by. LC Story: Memory Eventually getting home and my phone beginning to work again. My voicemail box was full and I heard from people I hadn't heard from in years, all hoping I was ok. It was an intense feeling knowing so many people were so frightened for our well being. LC Story: Affects It has made us more aware of our place in the world community. We aren't as safe as we once believed and it is important that we recognize that and deal with it accordingly. ]]> Tue, 07 Jan 2014 10:40:30 -0500 Title lc_story164.xml Source born-digital Media Type story Created by Author yes Described by Author no Date Entered 2003-12-22 LC Story: Story Sept. 11, 2001 I was working in a store when a customer walked in and asked if we heard about the planes crashing into the World Trade Center in New York City. The restaurant next door had a TV so I walked over to watch the mayhem. I'm a New Yorker, born and raised in Brooklyn. I moved to Maryland when I got married in 1969. Once a New Yorker always a New Yorker. It's in your blood. I went back to the shop and unfortunately it was business as usual. BUSINESS AS USUAL!! Were they nuts. MY New York was being attacked. My cousin works in New York and he saw the planes hit the towers. He knew immediately it was not an accident, but an assult because of the way the planes deliberately crashed into the buildings. He saw the people jump from the towers. He said the press was very conservative with their coverage of the jumpers. Thank God. Martin (my cousin) had to walk home from downtown Manhattan, across the Brooklyn Bridge to Maspeth, Queens. LC Story: Memory My strongest memory of that day was my boss' attitude that it was business as usual. The whole world was changing before our eyes. How could anything ever be "usual" again. I lost my 22 year old son, Patrick, in a road rage incident on June 23, 2000. I could relate with the people who lost loved ones on 911. I felt their pain, anger and grief. LC Story: Affects I think Americans turned to a higher power for comfort. I'm a Catholic so it reaffirmed my belief that things of this world are only temporary and God has plans we do not forsee. Free will controls our actions, be it good or evil and God does not interfere. I hoped that the highjackers were in Hell with the devil. I still visit New York and my family. I still ride the subways and walk the streets of Manhattan. That will never change. I love New York and the strength and courage of the people living and working in the city. I think 911 took away our sense of security. The United States was vulnerable. ]]> Tue, 07 Jan 2014 10:40:29 -0500 Title lc_story111.xml Source born-digital Media Type story Created by Author yes Described by Author no Date Entered 2003-12-17 LC Story: Story I was at my house in Charleston,IL when I heard the news. I immeadily remembered my friends sister was in NEW YORK. I was really sad. LC Story: Memory My memory was my grandfather fighting. LC Story: Affects Ifeel that we should stand up to this nonsence from Iraq!!! ]]> Tue, 07 Jan 2014 10:40:28 -0500 Title lc_story9.xml Source born-digital Media Type story Created by Author yes Described by Author no Date Entered 2003-02-14 LC Story: Story In my office, about 4 miles south of the Pentagon. A call came in to tell me about the first tower. My window faces the Pentagon, and while it is blocked from my view, a colleague and I saw the sunlight hit the wing of the plane that hit the Pentagon as it banked sharply down and then disappeared from view. A second or to later we heard a muffled blast and saw the smoke. We closed the office. LC Story: Memory Wanting to see my wife and daughters. Waiting to hear that my brother and neice (who work and go to school in NY) were ok. As a native New Yorker I was shocked as the Towers came down, and felt helpless being in Maryland. Concern for all the innocent victims and their heroes. Fearful of the jingoism which would result. LC Story: Affects I think it has affected the country adversley. While a devastating event, America's swift and brutal response has accomplished little. But it did give the current administration the rationale it was looking for to "relive" the 'good old days'. Rumsfeld , Ashcroft, et al, have a replaced their longing for a cold war with this cause, and I believe that this will not serve in the best long term interest of the US either home or abroad. ]]> Tue, 07 Jan 2014 10:40:28 -0500 Title lc_story146.xml Source born-digital Media Type story Created by Author yes Described by Author no Date Entered 2003-12-19 LC Story: Story I was at a customer's house doing house cleaning. It was getting near time for "The Price is Right," so I turned on the television. At first I thought it was just a terrible accident, then the pictures flashed from the burning towers to the Pentagon building. The faces of the newsmen were grim and their voices sounded sluggish and exhausted. The word that stood out was "attack." Suddenly I felt very nervous and afraid. I just wanted to get my babies and go home where it was 'safe.' Then I saw the buildings collaspe. I finished my cleaning job (very quickly and totally in a trance). What was going on outside? Were my children safe? My mind just kept screaming at me to get home. Once I got to the school, the staff was on full security alert. That made me even more nervous. I'd never had to show identification to sign my children out of school. Parents were arriving in droves to pick up their children. I couldn't speak. My children wanted to know why they were getting out early. All I could say was 'some crazy people flew airplanes into buildings and killed a lot of innocent people.' I couldn't stop watching the television. I didn't want to, but something just pulled me to find out what happened. I believed in my heart that they would find many people alive in the lower levels of the buildings. I just knew that people were going to come out of that basement, with the help of the rescue squads. Despite the fires, the devastation... I held out hope and prayed that hundreds would be found in those lower levels... My brother works in DC and one of my sisters travels alot on her job. We called around until we knew everyone was safe. I wanted to cry, but I didn't want to upset my boys. I wanted to scream. I wanted it all to be a nightmare that I would wake up from. LC Story: Memory My strongest memory was the feeling that 'the home of the free and the brave' had been betrayed. I remember how I suddenly felt so insecure. How could my country allow this to happen? We are supposed to be the strongest, the most sophisticated country in the world. How come no one knew? How come this was not prevented. The images of those towers falling haunt me to this day. I cannot look at pictures of them without imagining the terror those trapped inside must have felt. And to have them come down like that...I often (still after all this time), wonder if they knew. What about the ones that were almost out? They were crushed when they were so close to getting back home to their loved ones. It haunts me still and it hurts...So many families devastated, so many promising lives lost. LC Story: Affects While taking a health class earlier this year, I was relieved to know that I'm not the only one in the world who feels the anxiety that I do. I look at tall buildings and imagine a 110 ft building coming down. I see airplanes flying low and become afraid. I started having anxiety attacks. I have no faith in the security of this country. I didn't want the terrorist to win, but they did - by taking away my sense of security in my own homeland. I spend a lot of time with my children. I'm actually afraid to go into a tall building and I will never fly again unless I'm in a casket. I've seen nothing the US has done to make me feel better. Police departments (i.e., the Park Police, border patrol, etc.) are understaffed, low on resources, funding, etc., Everytime a new law is enacted to better secure the country, some legal rights group comes along and says, "hey, that ain't fair - you're stepping on peoples rights." Meanwhile the border police are understaffed and can't stop the flow of people coming in (a great way for terrorist to just jump a fence and make themselves at home)to plan another worst attack. I think people in this country, despite the flag waving and USA chants are more on edge. They seem to be more 'every man for himself' than ever before. They seem to be more aggitated. They are feeling insecure, maybe angry... I don't feel we have the brotherhood that we should. An event like this should have bought us closer together. It seems to have separated us further. Everyone in their own little world.. everyone collecting their water bottles, building their safety bunkers, hoarding duct tape - waiting for the other shoe to drop. Not finding Bin Laden after all this time? Again, my confidence in the leadership of this country is at its' lowest point ever. ]]> Tue, 07 Jan 2014 10:40:27 -0500 Title lc_story248.xml Source born-digital Media Type story Created by Author yes Described by Author no Date Entered 2004-01-13 LC Story: Story I was in my Elizabeth, NJ first grade classroom. I received several calls over the intercom that "so and so" is going home but, to wait for security to come and get them....do NOT allow them to come to the office on their own. It was very strange. This kept up. Finally, my neighbor opened the foor and told me what happened....but not to tell the kids. I remember feeling numb...trying to be normal but, dying inside. By noon, I had 2 students left and it hit me that my brother works three blocks from WTC. Cell phone not working. Mom called school at 2 to tell me he's fine. LC Story: Memory Going home, driving on Routes 1&9 north past Newark Airport (closed at the time) and being the only car on the road. This is normally a busy, crazy driving kind of road. It felt like a ghost town. Passing the airport, you could see the smoke from Manhattan in the background. I cried the whole ride home. LC Story: Affects Personally, I keep in touch much more with my family. I almost lost a brother that day. I hadn't spoken to him in weeks because we were both busy. I also feel particularly close with the students I had that year. The country always seems to be on edge....especially NYC now. National Guard at the ferries, tunnels, etc. ]]> Tue, 07 Jan 2014 10:40:26 -0500 Title lc_story185.xml Source born-digital Media Type story Created by Author yes Described by Author no Date Entered 2004-01-02 LC Story: Story I was at work as a librarian in the Cataloging Department at Christian Theological Seminary in Indianapolis. A colleague who listened to the radio on a walkman gave us the news of the first plane's hitting the WTC. I assumed it was an accident. Then my colleague told us that a second plane had been flown into the towers and we all knew it had to be deliberate. I heard about the Pentagon the same way. By this time I had tried and failed to get into any U.S. internet news site, including all the Indianapolis television stations and the newspaper. The BBC website was also inaccessible from the volume of traffic. Finally I realized that it would be late night in Australia, so I tried and got into the Australian Broadcasting site. They didn't have much detail. By this time my email had begun coming in fast from friends all over the U.S and the world. There was much checking on friends in NYC and DC. I was especially worried about two friends who work for the Smithsonian, as if there was a fourth plane crashed into Washington, the target would probably be near them. Fortunately they both were safe. Being a seminary, CTS held a prayer service in the chapel. I am proud to say that when the congregation was asked for individual intercessions, someone promptly prayed for the safety of Arabs, Arab-Americans and Muslims who would be in danger of being attacked by revenge-seekers. I didn't see the famous tape of the plane hitting the towers until after I got home, about 4:30 pm. and turned on CNN. I felt a great sorrow for a long time afterwards, but not anger. What was done to us that day was beyond anger. LC Story: Memory E-mailing and being e-mailed from all over. I am the policy setting listowner for Forkni-l@lists.psu.edu and Fkfic-l@lists.psu.edu, both focused on the television show Forever Knight. Normally I am very strict about staying on topic and not allowing anything but fanfic on Fkfic-l. Now that all went by the board as the fandom reached out to each other. I made a point of saying on both lists that I was not going to enforce the topicality rules, that we were a family who needed to comfort each other. This occured on other e-mail lists, but as the listowner of these two I was in the middle of the comraderie. We didn't know it at the time, but we had a member whose husband, a New York Port Authority police officer, just missed being inside when the second tower collapsed. Another member who worked in the Pentagon barely made it out safely. I only had to intervene twice in unsuitable threads. The first was when someone who meant well but hadn't thought of the inflamatory effect tried to start a discussion of the attacks in relation to U.S. support for Israel. This was quickly withdrawn, with an apology, at my request not to discuss the political aspects of the situation. The second was someone who insisted on posting an anti-Arab diatribe on Fkfic-l. He refused to promise not to do it again and I removed him from the mailing list. LC Story: Affects I think we are much more security conscious, but unfortunately I think the public mood has become frighteningly militaristic and authoritatarian. ]]> Tue, 07 Jan 2014 10:40:25 -0500 Title lc_story85.xml Source born-digital Media Type story Created by Author yes Described by Author no Date Entered 2003-12-16 LC Story: Story LC Story: Memory BAY SHORE MIDDLE SCHOOL Wednesday September 11, 2002 1st Anniversary of the Attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon SEPTEMBER 11TH REMEMBRANCE Kenneth Summers, a Brightwaters resident, spoke at an emotional remembrance service at Bay Shore Middle School on September 11, 2002. Ken is among the more fortunate individuals who were at work at the World Trade Center that fateful day. He was severely burned that day but is alive and able to tell his story. We are grateful to Ken for sharing his emotional story. Good morning! Over the last 200 years our country has suffered many tragedies. In 1836 there were cries to Remember the Alamo. In 1898 it was Remember the Maine. In 1941 Remember Pearl Harbor. I dont think that there is a person from my generation in this audience who doesnt recall where they were on November 22nd, 1963 when President John F. Kennedy was assassinated. I know where I was. I was an eight grader, much like yourselves, when the announcement came over the loudspeaker at school. The world was devastated by the news. An entire nation was despondent and many people thought that this was the end of our nation. But they were wrong. As a nation we persevered and prospered. We went on to fight a war in Vietnam that almost divided our country. Yet despite this and the loss of over 58,000 men and women, we continued to hold our heads high. We valued our freedom and democracy above all else and as a nation we pledged to protect the weak and defenseless from the tyrants who threatened to take that all away. On the morning of September 11th I caught my usual 5:30am train from Bay Shore that got me to the World Trade Center at about 7:10am. I immediately went up to my office of Empire Blue Cross Blue Shield that was located on the south side of the 27th floor in One World Trade Center (the north tower). At about 8:45am I left my office to go to the post office. After stepping out of the elevator in the lobby, I passed through the security turnstiles, the inner glass push doors and then out through the revolving glass door of the west entrance to WTC I. This brought me out under the glass-covered overhang where the taxis and cars drew up off of West Street. As I was in the revolving door going outside I heard a loud rumble that sounded more like an empty 18-wheel truck slamming on its brakes and skidding to a stop than it did an explosion. I had no idea at the time that anything was happening to the building. There was no indication of smoke, flame or the smell of fuel. I had walked no more than 10 feet Out of the revolving door when I looked to my left and saw a co-worker of mine running north along the west side of WTC 1. He was ducking down while he ran and used his hand to indicate to me that I should look up. I did and saw numerous items coming down from the upper floors of the building. I remember thinking that a bomb had probably gone off in the upper floors. Not spending more than a second to evaluate the situation, I ran back to the revolving doors to get back into the building to avoid being hit be any falling debris, Immediately after entering the revolving door I seemed to notice a discoloration of the air of the lobby. I had but a split second when suddenly the temperature inside the door increased tremendously. I must have seen a flicker of flame for I put my hands up to my face and then the explosion followed. The glass shattered into my face and the next thing I recall was that I was lying outside near the planters in front of the revolving door. There was black smoke and flaming debris all around. I believe that the doorframe was wrapped around me. I did not notice anyone else in my vicinity but I guess I was too stunned to notice. My hair was on fire, as was my shirt, which I quickly extinguished with my hands. I had no idea of the severity of my injuries. I knew I was severely burned, but I got myself up immediately and started to walk away from the building. I walked out onto West Street and asked everyone I saw if they could help me. I proceeded to the southwest corner of Liberty and West Street, across from WTC 2 and the Marriott Hotel and sat down on the steps. I had been sitting there about 5 minutes when I heard the increasingly louder whine of a jet engine and suddenly a loud explosion as the 2nd plane flew into WTC 2. I did not see the plane but debris and flames came out of the west side of WTC 2 directly toward where I was sitting. The crowd screamed and started running behind the World Financial building. Amazingly, I got up or was dragged by someone and ran with them. I had run behind the World Financial building for about 50 feet, when a man named Steve Newman came up to me and offered to help me. At the same time a girl in a gray business suit asked if she could help. I told her I needed a cell phone. She had one, pushed it in front of me and asked what number I wanted to call. I gave her my wife Nadines work number at Bay Shore Middle School and I got through to her co-workers on the first try. They got my wife and I told her that I was alive, that I was severely burned but that I would make it. I told her that Steve was offering to help get me medical attention, that I loved her and that I would get back to her later from wherever I ended up. That was the single most important thing that I did that day and I was greatly relieved that I accomplished it. Steve told me that he was the son of a doctor and that he would stay by me. He told me he felt that I was going to go into shock. My bums were painful but not terribly so as I was probably already in shock. Steve felt that the best thing for us to do was to get to New Jersey using the ferry from the World Financial Center docks. I agreed with him and we started walking toward the ferry along the Hudson River wall. As we stumbled along we came upon a fireboat tied up along the Hudson River seawall. The firemen spotted us and yelled, We Got One, and jumped off the boat to help. So far they had not seen any other injured people. The firemen brought an oxygen mask and put it over my face. I asked for water and they gave me some to swish in my mouth. They also tried to clean me up a little with a wet cloth but stopped when they realized that it might be too painful. After several minutes, I asked them if they could take us to New Jersey on the fireboat. They replied that they were ordered to stay where they were. Steve and I informed them that we then must get to the ferry. They protested but wished us good luck. Steve and I, accompanied by a fireman from the fireboat, proceeded to walk north on the Hudson promenade toward the marina. I recalled looking at my building and hearing what I thought was an explosion. I saw a cloud of debris going past my building. To me, I thought it was another explosion and I yelled to Steve that they were trying to bring WTC 1 down by exploding another bomb in the underground parking area. Unknown to me, the roar I was hearing was the collapse of WTC 2 which I could not see since the building of the World Financial Center blocked my view. I recall that the crowd parted like the Red Sea when they saw us approaching the ferry. There were thousands of people trying to escape Manhattan and still everyone cleared the way. There was no panic. They let us pass right up to the edge of the ferry dock. The ferry had just pulled away from the dock and when they saw me standing there, they, nosed back in and Steve and I and several other people jumped on board. The debris from the WTC 2 collapse did not reach us at all. I did not look back towards the city and was unaware that WTC 2 had collapsed. It would be two more weeks before my wife and daughter would inform me of what really happened that day. From the ferry I was taken by ambulance to the Jersey City Medical Center. The hospital wanted to airlift me to the burn unit at Saint Barnabas Medical Center in Livingston, New Jersey but all aircraft were grounded that day. Later in the evening of September 11th I was accompanied by my daughter as I was moved by ambulance to Saint Barnabas where I stayed a little over three weeks. During my stay at Saint Barnabas I underwent four skin graft operations to my hands and my arms and have been recovering at home ever since. The events of September 11th are a tragedy of world proportions. Never before have so many people been affected by an event. It touched all of our lives whether we witnessed it first hand or overdosed on the endless replays of television and newspaper coverage. It has indeed shaken our confidence, our ability to get on an airplane, ride a subway or even go into the city. But though we suffer now, we will surely rise from the ashes. While I recovered in the hospital I was told stories of the American flags that draped the overpasses and adorned cars and homes. I recall that it was one of the greatest comforts that I experienced on my drive home from the hospital a month later. To know that I had the support of so many people gave me renewed strength to get through this ordeal. People discovered the need to offer their prayers and support, both emotionally and financially, to those of us who have suffered or lost. Organizations like the American Red Cross, the Salvation Army and the United Way, to name a few, received donations from Americans and people all over the world, in amounts that were unprecedented in our nations history. If my own personal experiences during my recovery over the last year are any indicator of our communities strength and support then we are all well on our way to a full recovery. Since the very beginning good friends and strangers have always been there for my family and me. From the former limousine owner who snuck my wife onto the Belt Parkway to get her to my bedside at the hospital in New Jersey to the Bay Shore students who came and raked up all my leaves this past fall we have received such generous support. We have had tearful strangers with flowers appear at our front door offering their sympathies and members of my local congregation helping my wife Nadine put some order to the chaos in our lives. The casserole patrol to our home was endless. At times I felt that we would never have to cook again. As I faced a new uncertain world upon my return, there were good friends who just stopped by to talk and assure me that I was not alone in my fears. Other friends got me out of the house for a ride to the beach on a beautiful windy day, filling my heart and soul with the passion to become a part of the world again. For all of these acts my family and I will be forever grateful. My life has changed dramatically since that day. I suppose because of my injuries that my emphasis has really been to get better again and I dont deny that this is my main objective. Things that I truly enjoyed so much in the past such has playing the piano, or golf or tennis are not available to me right now and may never fully be in the future. However, with my situation come new challenges and opportunities. Opportunities to help others like they have helped me with things just as simple as the willingness to listen as they share their pain or as complex as helping someone sell their home and move away. My family has been the recipient of so many acts of kindness during this past year and I urge you to continue this tradition to those less fortunate than yourselves. You will be amazed how great it will make you feel to offer your time and services to someone in need. I still have a long road ahead and I anticipate at least 3 more surgeries for my hands starting with the first in October. I dont look forward to these surgeries which will most likely put me out of commission for another 6 months or more, but I do look forward to the relief from then pain they may offer and hopefully enhanced functionality for my hands. I would be a liar if I said that I was not bitter towards the people who did this, but I also accept that this is the only life I will get and that I received a second chance where many people did not. I am thankful to be alive by Gods graces and I realize that harboring hatred serves no purpose in my recovery. I want my life back and I intend to get it. What lay ahead no one can predict. To tell you that something like this can never happen again would be untrue. However, you have seen with your own eyes the response of our nation and the world to this outrage and if any country can rise to meet this challenge it is the United States. I also realize that I cannot do everything alone and maybe you cannot do it alone either. Therefore I urge any and all of you who are still suffering in the aftermath of 9-11 to seek some help if you feel you need it. This help came come from talking with your family and/or even your friends. The professional guidance counselors here at school and other outside organizations such as Project Liberty are also there for your support. I was young once myself and I know how stubborn I was and how important it was to put on the appearance of invincibility. But when you hurt, just know that you are not alone and there is help available, so dont be embarrassed to need or accept it. In closing, I need to stress that the only lasting thing that these cowards managed to accomplished a year ago today, was to strengthen the resolve of the American people and the world. Part of this resolve is the importance of the role that our families and friends play in our lives. Honor your family like you honor the flag of your country and there will be no enemy that can defeat you. I want to thank the Bay Shore School District for the privilege of allowing me to speak before you this day. I would also like to express my love to my wife, family, friends and strangers for all of their understanding, love and support during this most challenging time in my life. Thank You and God Bless America Ken Summers EPILOGUE JUNE 2003 I had my surgery to reconstruct my right hand in November 2002 and on my left hand in January 2003. I have greatly increased movement has a result, but FAR from perfect. I still attend Occupational Therapy 3 times a week. I returned to work in February 2003 which requires me to go into NYC at least 2 times a week which makes me rather uncomfortable but ya gotta do what ya gotta do. I have spoken many times about my experiences to individuals all over the world. To this day, they are dumbfounded that there were injured victims. This reaction amazes me, but in reality it is true, since among the 1,100 people injured that day (mostly with respiratory and ocular injuries from dust and floating debris) there were only about 40 people who were hospitalized for more than 2 days and 37 of us were burn victims of which only about 20 survived. I have not played golf yet nor have I skied (I am 53 I started skiing when I was 3). I am starting to play the piano again with great difficulty, but it is good therapy. I found that I have a fairly decent tenor voice and thus joined my church choir which I really enjoy. I have had the opportunity to give my speech or a modified version on two other occasions. I enjoy speaking and look forward to speaking at future engagements whenever they arise. I am always well received No Pitty Thank You and I KNOW that my words have made a difference to hundreds of people, since they have told me so. I am here to help if you need me. Today the sun is out and I am going out to enjoy it. It is great to be alive. Enjoy life! Ken Summers EPILOGUE OCTOBER 2003 There was an article in Newsday, a Long Island paper, entitled Two Steps Forward, One Step Back. This story detailed the routine of three of the WTC burn victims. Wow, was this story ever on the mark except that sometimes I feel that it is more like Two Steps Forward, Three Steps Back. I had my reconstructive surgery and skin grafts to my left hand on Sep 30th as anticipated. I guess my one step forward could be considered by the fact that I did not have to have surgery on my right hand yet! I can only say that I wont be swinging those golf clubs for a long while. This graft, which was supposed to be a piece of cake, was larger than my last two grafts. Hopefully the final result will be worth it. Back to OT on Monday (10/13/03). Good news is that I get a break from work for several weeks. Every cloud has a silver lining (or so they say Id like to know who they is). Chin up! Ken Summers LC Story: Affects ]]> Tue, 07 Jan 2014 10:40:25 -0500 Title lc_story257.xml Source born-digital Media Type story Created by Author yes Described by Author no Date Entered 2004-01-15 LC Story: Story On September 11, I was working in my office as a school counselor in a Bronx high school. My seventh floor windows faced south looking toward lower Manhattan. LC Story: Memory I recall that after 9:00 a.m. I saw a plume of black smoke in the distance, but ignored it. In time it grew larger and spread across the horizon heading east with the winds. By that time, we had been infornmed by the administration of the attack and prepared the building for early dismissal. I learned of the collapse of the towers from a colleague whose husband was watching it in television. I imagined the buildings filled with many thousands of people, innocent souls, tumbling towards earth. The horror was overwhelming and unbelievable. LC Story: Affects My sense of a secure future, in New York especially,has been altered. There is no longer the freedom to think that we are completely safe...safety was never an issue in my life. Now I anticipate that one day in this city we will be challenged again and have to suffer the death of many people. I try to wish this thought away but I have the anxiety that it will happen. I just hope no one I know is a victim. ]]> Tue, 07 Jan 2014 10:40:24 -0500 Title lc_story105.xml Source born-digital Media Type story Created by Author yes Described by Author no Date Entered 2003-12-17 LC Story: Story On September 11, 2001, I was here at my home in Danville, California. My mother, Hilda Marcin, was flying from Newark, NJ to San Francisco, CA that day and I was up early getting ready to pick her up at the airport. My mom Hilda was 79 years old (young), had retired in June, 2001 from her job as an instructional aide to special needs children. She lived and worked in Budd Lake, New Jersey. Upon her retirement, she decided she would like to try living a good part of the year with my husband Tom and I here in California. So, September 11, 2001 was her moving day. She was a passenger aboard United Flight 93. When I heard the news of the Twin Towers being hit by planes (actually saw the 2nd plane hit a little after 6 a.m. pacific time), I froze, terrified and afraid for my mom. I ran upstairs and told my husband what was happening in New York and he assured me my mother's plane was already well on its way to California. I called United and they said everything was OK and the United 93 was scheduled to land on time. All I can say is that morning was the most terrifying and horrific day of my life. I feared so for my mother's safety; I prayed, cried, and made so many phone calls I cannot even remember them all. Later that morning, my sister Betty who lives in New Jersey and took my mom to Newark Airport that morning, and I were speaking on the phone, comparing notes, wondering who to call next. We both had on the TV and were watching CNN when the news flash appeared stating "United Flight 93 bound for San Francisco from Newark crashes in a field in Shanksville, Pennsylvania". I get chills when I write those words. My sister and I dropped our phones and both fell to the floor crying, screaming and physically sick from the news. It was not real to us; it could not be, not our beautiful mom. My husband immediatley left work, came home, where we hugged and cried in the driveway. Shortly thereafter, neighbors stopped by, some crying, some leaving flowers and notes. My husband Tom and I then went to see our priest; even he was at a loss for words. That evening, our church had a special service and they mentioned my mom's name; I still was in shock; could not believe any of it. Then and there, the long journey began. A journey that continues today and will for the rest of my life. I am heartbroken, not just over the loss of my mom, but for all the 9/11 families I have come to know and love. What we have suffered has been at times almost too much for anyone to bear. I hope and pray it never happens again. LC Story: Memory My strongest memory is the coming together of people in support of others. I cannot remember much about my own pain because it was so strong, so sickening, so difficult to put words to it. I do remember the stories of heroism; people helping others get up off the ground in New York; watching it on TV, at the time not realizing how my life would be changed forever. I wanted to get to Shanksville so bad, but couldn't unless we got in the car. My husband and I waited to see how the airlines would handle us, and three days later we were on our way to Pittsburgh, and then driven to Shanksville along with the other Flight 93 families. It was the longest three days of my life; waiting to get there. LC Story: Affects Personally, I have been affected in many ways. I lost my dear mom, my best friend, a woman who gave to others all her life and just wanted to spend the rest of her life enjoying the time she had left. She was healthy and looking forward to her stay with us. I have never been the same since that day. I have not flown much, only when necessary, and then I take tranquilizers. Every time I get on a plane, I visualize what happened on Flight 93 and how the passengers and crew members may have been acting/reacting. It's frightening and it haunts me. I have become involved in the FLight 93 Memorial process; am on the Task Force as Co-Chair of the Government Relations Committee; I write the Flight 93 Family Newsletter monthly for all the families. I am totally engulfed in something I would have never dreamed in a thousand years to be a part of; I sometimes have to remember that there were only 40 people on that plane -- what are the odds one of them would be my mom? The country has been affected dramatically as well, but I think most people have moved on with their lives since then. If you live in the West as I do, people were never as affected emotionally as in the East. It's just too far removed from their everyday lives. There are some of us in the West who where directly affected, but not like the numbers in the NY area. The isolation of that hasn't helped us much, but yet I do understand from my friends and family in the East that sometimes it is overwhelming for them being in the news constantly. I think people generally are more cautious now though, especially about flying. I think fliers are more aware of their surroundings and have accepted the security changes as a vital part of life. I know when I fly I look at everyone on the plane to see if they look suspicious in any way and like the passengers and crew on Flight 93; I would be ready for a good fight if necessary. The country has become more patriotic especially since our young men and women have been sent to Iraq and Afghanistan. I support them 100% as does most of the country. I just feel so, so bad for all the 9/11 families; it's been a tough road for most and will continue to be forever. All the children left without parents; we still don't know the long term psychological affects. I can speak for myself though and say without question that I am a changed person; will never be the same again. I only hope to find peace and answers in the coming years. ]]> Tue, 07 Jan 2014 10:40:24 -0500 Title lc_story13.xml Source born-digital Media Type story Created by Author yes Described by Author no Date Entered 2003-02-18 LC Story: Story I was at home on Sept. 11, and heard about the attacks on the radio. I then went downstairs and watched TV. It was truly shocking to see before your eyes events taking place that you never believed could happen. My wife called me on the phone to see if I was watching. Later I signed on to the Internet, and I called or wrote notes to some of my friends. LC Story: Memory I'm afraid my strongest reaction, like th


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Tue, 29 Sep 2026 17:46:51 -0400 webmaster@chnm.gmu.edu (September 11 Digital Archive) Copyright © 2002–2021, Roy Rosenzweig Center for History and New Media and American Social History Project/Center for Media and Learning Zend_Feed Title [MAPC-policy] S 1510 Source born-digital Media Type email Created by Author yes Described by Author no Date Entered 2001-10-12 September 11 Email: Body Senate passed S1510--the USA Act--yesterday 96-1 vote.  Wisconsin Senator Russ Feingold was the only dissenting voice... _______________________________________________ policy@madpeace.org September 11 Email: Date Friday, October 12, 2001 10:16 AM September 11 Email: Subject [MAPC-policy] S 1510 ]]> Tue, 07 Jan 2014 11:47:28 -0500 Title petition Source born-digital Media Type email Created by Author yes Described by Author no Date Entered 2001-11-01 September 11 Email: Body 288 Xs DIRECTIONS: PLEASE COPY this email onto a new message, sign the bottom and forward it to everyone on your distribution list. If you receive this list with more than 300 names on it, please email a copy of it to: > X Even if you decide not to sign, please be considerate and do not kill the petition. September 11 Email: Date Thursday, November 01, 2001 12:09 PM September 11 Email: Subject petition ]]> Tue, 07 Jan 2014 11:47:28 -0500 Title [MAPC-coord] minutes from Sunday Source born-digital Media Type email Created by Author yes Described by Author no Date Entered 2001-10-30 September 11 Email: Body I have put the minutes from Sunday on the cc wiki page.  It would facilitate approval next Sunday if everyone could read them and bring corrections/changes with them. exhausted but energized (if that makes sense), X September 11 Email: Date Tuesday, October 30, 2001 10:29 PM September 11 Email: Subject [MAPC-coord] minutes from Sunday ]]> Tue, 07 Jan 2014 11:47:29 -0500 Title Re: [MAPC-coord] cc mission for approval, gm agenda Source born-digital Media Type email Created by Author yes Described by Author no Date Entered 2001-11-12 September 11 Email: Body Either way works for me on the first paragraph. The other paragraph you quoted seems to have a redundancy: "The Coordinating Committee is empowered to make emergency decisions for MAPC." and "The Coordinating Committee has the right to make emergency decisions when necessary." X ----- Original Message ----- From: "X" <X> To: <coordination@madpeace.org> Cc: <X>; <X> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 10:14 PM Subject: RE: [MAPC-coord] cc mission for approval, gm agenda > X, > > Thanks for doing this. I would change the first paragraph to the following > for readability: > > The main decision-making body of MAPC is the General Meeting. (moved this > next sentence forward from end of paragraph; seemed to flow better) The > Coordinating Committee ensures that the decisions of the General Meetings > are implemented. The General Meeting sets the politics and the overall > direction of MAPC.  The Coordinating Committee takes its direction from the > General Meeting, and is accountable to the (deleted general) membership. All > decisions made by the Coordinating Committee are subject to discussion and > review by the General Meeting. > > - The Coordinating Committee is empowered to make emergency decisions for > MAPC.  An emergency decision consists of responding appropriately to rapidly > changing current events, or of initiating the coordination of plans that are > under time constraint. The Coordinating Committee has the right to make > emergency decisions when necessary.  Emergency decisions will be reported > back to the General Meeting > > I'll print, but would need to know tonight about content so that I can do it > between work tomorrow & the meeting. I'll be in a time crunch, especially > with getting Jesse to a friend's house before the meeting. > > X > > > -----Original Message----- > From: X > Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 8:38 PM > To: coordination@madpeace.org > Cc: X; X > Subject: [MAPC-coord] cc mission for approval, gm agenda > > Here is the CC mission, combining Rae's original plus what we added/changed: > > - The main decision-making body of MAPC is the General Meeting.  The General > Meeting sets the politics and the general direction of MAPC.  The > Coordinating Committee takes its direction from the General Meeting, and is > accountable to the general membership.  All decisions made by the > Coordinating Committee are subject to discussion and review by the General > Meeting.  The Coordinating Commitee ensures that the decisions of the > General Meetings are implemented. > > - The Coordinating Committee is the central orgainizing body of MAPC.  It > ensures that the work of the committees is coordinated.  It evaluates > ongoing work to make sure that MAPC is not missing opportunities for > outreach, growth, and political impact. > > - The Coordinating Committee is responsible for facilitating development of > overall strategy for the coalition, subject to General Meeting approval, and > for providing recommendations to ensure that the work of the committees is > coordinated in a matter consistent with that strategy. > > - The Coordinating Committee is empowered to make emergency decisions for > MAPC.  An emergency decision consists of responding appropriately to rapidly > changing current events, or of initiating the coordination of plans that are > under time constraint. The Coordinating Committee has the right to make > emergency decisions when necessary.  Emergency decisions will be reported > back to the General Meeting. > > - The Coordinating Committee is responsible for establishing policy on and > making decisions regarding disbursement of funds by the coaltion. > > - The Coordinating Committee is responsible for orgainizing the General > Meetings.  It will develop agendas for General Meetings.  It assures that > General Meetings are organized so that critical discussions are held and > important decisions are made in a timely fashion. > ========================================= > > THis was a little more difficult than it seemed, since not all sentences > flowed well with what was sandwiched in.  The first paragraph is funky with > using "general meeting" and "general membership" but I think it's probably > ok. I did some minor editing to make everything fit together. We agreed to > give 24 hours for corrections and feedback. X and X will present. > X, will you be printing for distribution at the meeting? > > Here is the agenda: > > GM meeting agenda > > 1) Welcome > 2) committee reports > - action > - outreach > - Student Youth > - Arts > - media > - policy > - fundraising > - labor movement report > 3) Proposals (new business) > - CC mission proposal > - Action committee vigil proposal > - SYC logo proposal > 4) Announcements > 5) Optional - Video > > I'll get the meeting notes out as soon as I can clean them up, probably > tomorrow evening. > > X > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > > _______________________________________________ > coordination@madpeace.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > coordination@madpeace.org > > _______________________________________________ coordination@madpeace.org September 11 Email: Date Monday, November 12, 2001 10:51 PM September 11 Email: Subject Re: [MAPC-coord] cc mission for approval, gm agenda ]]> Tue, 07 Jan 2014 11:47:30 -0500 Title [MAPC-policy] face-to-face meetings in works Source born-digital Media Type email Created by Author yes Described by Author no Date Entered 2001-11-08 September 11 Email: Body Policy Folks -    I'm leaving multiple messages for X, in various media.  I am asking for a brief sit-down meeting with us before 11/14 (deadline to file resolution for debate on 11/20).    I will talk to X tonight, and perhaps try for the same thing there, since the progressive caucus chose him Friday to be the contact for this issue with me.    I will get back to you as soon as I have place and time. --X _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at _______________________________________________ policy@madpeace.org September 11 Email: Date Thursday, November 08, 2001 9:29 AM September 11 Email: Subject [MAPC-policy] face-to-face meetings in works ]]> Tue, 07 Jan 2014 11:47:30 -0500 Title RE: [MAPC-coord] city policy resolution Source born-digital Media Type email Created by Author yes Described by Author no Date Entered 2001-10-29 September 11 Email: Body I will add it to the agenda. >--- Original Message --- >From: "Sarah Coyle" <sarah@arccommserv.com> >To: <coordination@madpeace.org>, <announce@madpeace.org> >Date: 10/29/01 10:04:47 AM > Hi, > >I totally forgot that the policy committee wants something on the >"proposals" agenda:  we have a proposal that the city alders vote for a >resolution that condems bombing (in different language than that) in >Afganistan.  The resolution will be posted on "discuss" for all to read & >give feedback, to make changes before Tuesday.  X has been >heading it up.  Could we put it on the agenda for Tuesday? Thanks. > >Sarah > > September 11 Email: Date Monday, October 29, 2001 10:21 AM September 11 Email: Subject RE: [MAPC-coord] city policy resolution ]]> Tue, 07 Jan 2014 11:47:31 -0500 Title Re: [MAPC-policy] X willing to cosponsor! Source born-digital Media Type email Created by Author yes Described by Author no Date Entered 2001-11-13 September 11 Email: Body I remember is well.  The time was Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 01:21:57PM -0600, and X whispered: > > What do you think?  It's later than we had hoped to have it introduced, but > it sounds like we'll have a better chance of passing the resolution then > (given council dynamics), and we'll also have more time to mobilize the > community in support of the resolution.  It's true that this puts the > resolution passing just after the timeline humanitarian groups have put on > needing to start land convoys of aid, but I'm thinking that this is OK for > two reasons:  First, it's not like the U.S. federal gov't will immediately > stop bombing because of a Madison city council resolution - this is one > effort in a much bigger movement that will contribute to opening up dialogue > on the issue.  Second - this is tragic and I hope it doesn't come across as > insensitive - if there are increased reports of Afghani civilians starving > just before the council vote, it will make it really hard for alders not to > support the resolution (and we should submit copies of any articles like > this to the alders just before the Dec 4 vote). > Actually, I'm getting pretty concerned that recent events in Afghanistan are working against the strategy of our resolution.  Humanitarian aid is going (I predict) to turn from the big weakness of the administration's position to a propaganda coup. I predict a *massive* effort will be undertaken (not least because Bush's indifference to the humanitarian situation was starting to bother even British hawks). Now that the NA controls most of Afghanistan, this will be at least mostly feasible. Which is a great thing, because I was really starting to despair over the lives that seemed doomed to be lost. I can't come to the meeting tonight, but I think it is important to consider how to adapt our policy to counter the possibility. If we could have gotten this passed sooner, we could have indeed gained an important rhetorical advantage, but I don't think Dec. 4 will do us much good. It's not that there still won't be a humanitarian disaster in Afghanistan. But Bush now has the opportunity to appear to be making "all possible effort" to fix the situation (which I actually hope he does).  Since most of the dying will be happening in the Taliban-controlled south (assuming they stop running near Khandahar), you can bet they'll be blamed for the starvation. The Bush team may have dodged the bullet on this.  If they don't, of course, we must howl bloody murder and put all our weight behind it--or we will be talking about genocide next spring.  I'd really prefer not to.  Let's hope they do the (only) moral thing, and think of other ways to make our points. I'd suggest alternative lines of argument would include urging the administration not to consider expanding the scope of the war to include other countries, such as Iraq.  We can also stress the need for immediate negotiations over a peace deal between Israel and the Palestinians.  Other ideas? Or am I off base?  I'm just concerned that if this resolution, as written, is voted on Dec. 4, it may be in the middle of a *super* publicized humanitarian effort, and thus appear almost discredited.  Maybe the administration will blow this crucial moment and fail to support a massive aid push.  I don't think even Bush is that stupid, however. My .02$, for what they're worth. X _______________________________________________ policy@madpeace.org September 11 Email: Date Tuesday, November 13, 2001 3:08 AM September 11 Email: Subject Re: [MAPC-policy] X willing to cosponsor! ]]> Tue, 07 Jan 2014 11:47:31 -0500 Title [MAPC-discuss] MAPC Logo Design -- Graphics, Symbolism, and Source born-digital Media Type email Created by Author yes Described by Author no Date Entered 2001-11-12 September 11 Email: Body Hi all! Just a heads up that the MAPC logo will be on the agenda for Tuesday night's general membership meeting, and a few comments (okay, I lied - lots of comments) since I may not be able to attend the whole meeting. While (AFAIK) we've never voted on this, the peace sign wrapped around the globe has become the de facto MAPC logo.  (IIRC the general membership referred the logo question back to the Arts & Culture WG, and they couldn't come up with anything better.) The Student/Youth Caucus has objected to this logo, and designed a new one, which will be presented on Tuesday.  (As I understand it, the problem is that the peace sign is tied to a particular historic era, and carries baggage which is too hippie-ish -- as opposed to activist.  There is also concern that the grey-scale of the logo does not reduce or reproduce well.) Their proposed logo has a half-globe, without peace sign, with paler images of the globe radiating out from it.  (Lousy description, I know.) I sympathize with the S/YC's objections, but I like their proposed graphic even less than the one we've been using.  To me, it's not particularly distinctive, and a globe alone just doesn't say "peace" to me.  It could just as easily be the logo graphic for a global telecommunications corporation. Then again, I'm not sure that any graphic we pick to represent "peace/anti-war" will be acceptable to and truly representative of the whole Coalition.  The Vietnam-era peace sign is, well, Vietnam era, and doesn't represent the new generation of activists.  The dove has a longer history, but strikes me as a bit too "Pacifist" in image, as does the rifle with a flower in its barrel, broken rifle, broken bomb, and a few others.  The other predominant image from the Vietnam era, the clenched fist, of course, has the opposite connotation.  We've already been through the discussion of incorporating the symbolism of the American flag; some of us think "peace is patriotic" and others of us think U.S. nationalism is part of the problem. And while the globe could well be something that none of us object to, it really doesn't symbolize anything that distinguishes us from the other side. "Madison area" is tough to symbolize graphically.  The most identifiable symbols are architectural (the State Capitol), and we have nothing to do with state government.  Doing something with the outline of the state and highlighting the Madison area really doesn't work graphically.  And I doubt that anyone would recognize that a satellite view of the Four Lakes was anything other than a Rorschach inkblot test. We could try to have a symbol for everyone, incorporating lots of different images in the logo, but the result would likely be an unwieldy mess. My personal opinion at this point is that we should either (1)come up with a graphic that is brand new -- no baggage from past movements or ideologies -- (and I have no earthly idea what this would be); or (2) just go with a "words-only" logo, using a very distinctive typestyle and arrangement of the words in our organization name.  If the typestyle and arrangement are distinctive enough, IMO the logo will be recognizeable and identifiable, and would avoid the symbolism & baggage problems inherent in selecting any graphic image for a diverse coalition. X _______________________________________________ discuss@madpeace.org mailing list September 11 Email: Date Monday, November 12, 2001 8:51 PM September 11 Email: Subject [MAPC-discuss] MAPC Logo Design -- Graphics, Symbolism, and ]]> Tue, 07 Jan 2014 11:47:32 -0500


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Thu, 24 Sep 2026 13:01:48 -0400 webmaster@chnm.gmu.edu (September 11 Digital Archive) Copyright © 2002–2021, Roy Rosenzweig Center for History and New Media and American Social History Project/Center for Media and Learning Zend_Feed Title [MAPC-discuss] Fwd: this is so well written (fwd) Source born-digital Media Type email Created by Author yes Described by Author no Date Entered 2001-11-11 September 11 Email: Body Below find a marvelous piece, especially for anyone feeling a little beseiged by the swell on mile-long, inch-deep patriotism flooding the land.  BTW,  for those of you who haeven't done so, please send me an e-mail to alruff@execpc.com so that I can switch you address over to my NEW e-mail location. -X Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 00:56:00 -0600 > > > San Francisco Gate - Oct 19, 2001 > > > > > e > > s101901.DTL&amp;type=printable> > > > > Evil Evildoers Of Evil > > > > How to feel calmly patriotic and yet not the slightest bit reassured by >Bush > > & Co. > > > > By Mark Morford, SF Gate Columnist > > > > This much is true: It really is possible to love your country and > > value your freedoms and still believe the government is full of fools > > and prevaricators and BS artists and Dick Cheney. Really. > > > > It is still possible to feel warmly patriotic in personal and > > important ways and yet believe the military and the generals and the > > war machine do not have your best interests at heart and really > > couldn't care less what those interests are anyway but thank you for > > sharing now please sit down and do as we tell you and by the way, > > thanks for all the flags and the money. > > > > And it is still possible to feel unified and spiritually connected to > > all that is good and righteous about your generally nonviolent > > Americanism -- you know, wine and sex and good music, large dogs and > > literature and clean water and tongue kissing in the streets -- and > > still be depressed when our famously nonintellectual president talks > > to the country like we're all five years old and heavily dosed on > > Ritalin. > > > > When Bush employs phrases like "bring the evildoers to justice" over > > and over, 17 times in one speech alone, and he furrows his brow like > > a serious Muppet and offers carefully scripted reassurances > > deliberately lacking in polysyllabism and detailed explanation > > because that would be, you know, complicated.  When he repeats > > primitive little maxims like "There are no negotiations" and responds > > to press-conference questions about the vitriolic anti-US hatred that > > has blossomed around the globe by saying, "I'm amazed. I just can't > > believe it because I know how good we are," thus causing a giant > > global spasm of multinational cringing and openly insulting the > > intelligence of anyone who can walk and breathe at the same time. > > > > When he delivers very earnest speeches he had no part in writing, > > and when he is forced to speak extemporaneously, sans script or > > TelePrompTer, and is reduced to simplistic good-guy/bad-guy > > platitudes and flustered, rapid blinking, and who cannot for the life > > of him articulate a complex idea, some sort of nuanced elucidation of > > our nation's motives and positioning, that contains more than one > > possible level of meaning.  But perhaps that's too harsh. Unfair. > > He's the president, after all. He is a Good Man. He's our leader > > right now, he's doing his best and he's all we've got. This is our > > rallying cry, our motto: He's all we've got. There's your bumper > > sticker. And there he is. > > > > Except for Cheney, which isn't exactly reassuring. No one has ever > > seen this man's mouth actually move. No one can take one look at his > > oddly spiritless and wan figure and not think, oh dear God, that man > > is running on fumes. From a bunker. With ropes and pulleys. But > > you're not supposed to. In fact, you really aren't allowed to > > criticize the president or the veep right now, not supposed to feel > > strangely leaderless and adrift, not permitted to look upon the > > events of the past weeks with much wariness or bitterness or a > > disquieting sense that we're setting things in motion that have no > > predictable outcome -- ugly, subterranean, hateful things that could > > last years and will surely cost billions and will deeply entrench the > > nation in a bizarre and poisonous shell game with shadowy opponents > > of largely unknown capability and do you hear that? That soft > > roaring? > > > > That's the sound of the GOP-stroked military machine, quietly > > cheering. Never mind the staggering multibillion-dollar political > > mess in Saudi Arabia that fueled bin Laden's network for years, or > > the enormous oil fields that are desperately vulnerable to terrorist > > attack at any moment. Never mind the US government's outright > > rejection of new advancements in alternative fuels to get us away > > from oil and out of the Gulf entirely. Instead we get: Evildoers. Air > > strikes. Hundreds of dead civilians. Rumsfeld denials. And Bush, > > squinting, saying things only small children and GasMaskExpress.com > > shoppers find comforting and manly. It is, Bush tells us, a war on > > terrorism. We will eradicate terrorism through largely violent and > > aggressive means, because that is what we must do and what we always > > do and everything else takes too damn long. We have to do something. > > > > This is the common wisdom. Bush said so. Mr. Rumsfeld told him so, > > with his black and shiny hawk eyes all a-glimmer. Disagree? You > > traitorous whiner. This war, it will be just like the War on Drugs. > > It will be potent and effective and our objectives will be clear. The > > nation had a nasty drug problem and we declared a war on drugs and > > spent billions over many years and now you can't buy drugs anymore. > > It will be just like that. > > > > There is more than one way to respond to the horror of Sept. 11. And > > there is more than one kind of patriotism. We forget this. You do not > > have to rally around Bush and tolerate Cheney's chthonic creepiness > > and wave a frantic flag and believe every scripted half-truth that > > drizzles out of the Pentagon, applaud the nonstop attacks on an > > already demolished nation. Pro-America does not mean pro-war. Or > > pro-Bush. Or anti- Afghanistan. Or pro-little-flags-on-SUV-antennas. > > It means thinking independently and getting better informed and > > filtering your news very carefully and realizing that just because > > one version of the American aggro attitude is currently being > > ramrodded down society's throat doesn't mean you have to swallow. > > > > It means you don't have to find Tomahawk missiles really cool or > > think all those tens of thousands of Europeans and Egyptians and > > world citizens protesting the US bombings must be commie jerks, or > > feel sad and morally depleted when you can't seem to draw any > > intellectual nourishment whatsoever when Bush declaims, "Terrorists > > want us to stop our lives, stop our flying, stop our buying. But this > > nation will not be intimidated by evildoers." You don't have to buy > > into that infantile hokum for a moment. After all, this is America. > > > > > > [Mark Morford's Notes & Errata column appears every Wednesday and > > Friday on SF Gate, unless it appears on Tuesday or Thursday, which it > > almost never does. He also writes the Morning Fix, a deeply skewed > > and very funny daily email newsletter.] _______________________________________________ discuss@madpeace.org mailing list September 11 Email: Date Sunday, November 11, 2001 8:57 AM September 11 Email: Subject [MAPC-discuss] Fwd: this is so well written (fwd) ]]> Tue, 07 Jan 2014 11:51:41 -0500 Title [MAPC-discuss] Friday, in Chicago - RAWA Source born-digital Media Type email Created by Author yes Described by Author no Date Entered 2001-11-07 September 11 Email: Body A rare Chicago appearance of Tahmeena Faryal, a representative of RAWA-the Revolutionary Association of the Women of Afghanistan-will take place on Friday, Nov. 9, 6 p.m. at Hot House 31 E. Balbo (between Wabash and State St.). The meeting is entitled: "The Other America Welcomes the Other Afghanistan: An Evening of International Solidarity with RAWA-the Revolutionary Association of the Women of Afghanistan." The meeting is sponsored by News and Letters Committees(list of cosponsors is still in formation). For more information call: 312-236-0799; email: nandl@igc.org Can we oppose both the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11 and the U.S. government's war on Afghanistan by turning  a different vision of the future into a reality-a future of freedom, human dignity, cooperation, and genuine safety?  Who are our allies in helping to realize this vision? Come listen to and speak with TAHMEENA FARYAL, representative of RAWA, the Revolutionary Association of the Women of Afghanistan. RAWA is an independent, all-volunteer, non-violent organization that calls for multilateral disarmament and the establishment of a secular democracy in Afghanistan, where women may once again participate fully in public life. Since 1977, the women of RAWA have stood up to all native and foreigner oppressors with courage and principle. They opposed the Russian occupation of Afghanistan and today they oppose all Islamic fundamentalist forces, including both the Taliban and those in the Northern Alliance. On Sept. 14, RAWA condemned the Sept. 11 attacks as a barbaric act of violence and terror; opposed a U.S. military attack that would kill thousands of innocent Afghans for the crimes committed by the Taliban and Osama bin Laden; and expressed its "sincere hope that the great American people can differentiate between the people of Afghanistan and a handful of fundamentalist  terrorists." While the Taliban have outlawed education for women beyond the second grade, and deny them the few social services that exist in Afghanistan, RAWA secretly-and under the threat of death-provides schooling for girls and boys, as well as medical care and adult education for women. In neighboring Pakistan, it provides Afghan refugees with aid, runs orphanages, and sponsors income-generating projects. _______________________________________________ discuss@madpeace.org mailing list September 11 Email: Date Wednesday, November 07, 2001 10:49 AM September 11 Email: Subject [MAPC-discuss] Friday, in Chicago - RAWA ]]> Tue, 07 Jan 2014 11:51:40 -0500 Title RE: [MAPC-discuss] WorldFederalistAssociation(WFA) Source born-digital Media Type email Created by Author yes Described by Author no Date Entered 2001-11-05 September 11 Email: Body Sit down.  Take a few deep breaths and relax.  Close your eyes and ask yourself... when is it right to take another person's life?  What did you discover when you listened to that quiet voice within you?  Perhaps vigilantism is as abhorent as the acts that catalyzed it.  Perhaps violence is not a good answer? >--- Original Message --- >From: X <X> >To: madpeace-discuss@madpeace.org >Date: 11/5/01 5:10:49 PM > >...tries to get Bin Ladin dead or alive, killing many more innocents in the >process.  Is such vigilantism better than nothing?  Perhaps. _______________________________________________ discuss@madpeace.org mailing list September 11 Email: Date Monday, November 05, 2001 5:20 PM September 11 Email: Subject RE: [MAPC-discuss] WorldFederalistAssociation(WFA) ]]> Tue, 07 Jan 2014 11:51:40 -0500 Title [MAPC-discuss] Fw: !*CNN: Focus on Civilian Casualties Would Be Source born-digital Media Type email Created by Author yes Described by Author no Date Entered 2001-11-04 September 11 Email: Body Over the weekend, when reporting that the U.S. bombing raids were intensifying support for the Taliban within Afghanistan, CNN repeatedly commented that the Afghan people were not sophisticated enough to blame their own government for the U.S. attacks. Talk about perversion.  More below.... X ----- Original Message ----- From: "X To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:@hera.webcom.com;;;;> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 7:49 PM Subject: !*CNN: Focus on Civilian Casualties Would Be "Perverse" + More > FORWARDED MESSAGES > ==================== > From: "X > Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 1:36 PM > >  ACTION ALERT: >  CNN Says Focus on Civilian Casualties Would Be "Perverse" > >  November 1, 2001 > >  According to the Washington Post (10/31/01), CNN Chair Walter Isaacson "has >  ordered his staff to balance images of civilian devastation in Afghan > cities >  with reminders that the Taliban harbors murderous terrorists, saying it >  'seems perverse to focus too much on the casualties or hardship in >  Afghanistan.'" > >  Post media reporter Howard Kurtz quotes a memo from Isaacson to CNN's >  international correspondents: "As we get good reports from >  Taliban-controlled Afghanistan, we must redouble our efforts to make sure > we >  do not seem to be simply reporting from their vantage or perspective. We >  must talk about how the Taliban are using civilian shields and how the >  Taliban have harbored the terrorists responsible for killing close to 5,000 >  innocent people." > >  The memo went on to admonish reporters covering civilian deaths not to >  "forget it is that country's leaders who are responsible for the situation >  Afghanistan is now in," suggesting that journalists should lay >  responsibility for civilian casualties at the Taliban's door, not the U.S. >  military's. > >  Kurtz also quotes a follow-up memo from Rick Davis, CNN's head of standards >  and practices, that suggested sample language for news anchors: > >  " 'We must keep in mind, after seeing reports like this from >  Taliban-controlled areas, that these U.S. military actions are in response >  to a terrorist attack that killed close to 5,000 innocent people in the >  U.S.' or, 'We must keep in mind, after seeing reports like this, that the >  Taliban regime in Afghanistan continues to harbor terrorists who have >  praised the September 11 attacks that killed close to 5,000 innocent people >  in the U.S.,' or 'The Pentagon has repeatedly stressed that it is trying to >  minimize civilian casualties in Afghanistan, even as the Taliban regime >  continues to harbor terrorists who are connected to the September 11 > attacks >  that claimed thousands of innocent lives in the U.S.' " > >  Davis stated that "even though it may start sounding rote, it is important >  that we make this point each time." > >  The New York Times reported (11/1/01) that these policies are already being >  implemented at CNN, with other networks following a similar, though perhaps >  not as formalized, strategy. "In the United States," the Times noted, >  "television images of Afghan bombing victims are fleeting, cushioned > between >  anchors or American officials explaining that such sights are only one side >  of the story." In other countries, however, "images of wounded Afghan >  children curled in hospital beds or women rocking in despair over a baby's >  corpse" are "more frequent and lingering." > >  When CNN correspondent Nic Robertson reported yesterday from the site of a >  bombed medical facility in Kandahar, the Times reported, U.S. anchors > "added >  disclaimers aimed at reassuring American viewers that the network was not >  siding with the enemy." CNN International, however, did not add any such >  disclaimers. > >  During its U.S broadcasts, CNN "quickly switched to the rubble of the World >  Trade Center" after showing images of the damage in Kandahar, and the > anchor >  "reminded viewers of the deaths of as many as 5,000 people whose 'biggest >  crime was going to work and getting there on time.'" > >  If anything in this story is "perverse," it's that one of the world's most >  powerful news outlets has instructed its journalists not to report Afghan >  civilian casualties without attempting to justify those deaths. "I want to >  make sure we're not used as a propaganda platform," Isaacson told the >  Washington Post. But his memo essentially mandates that pro-U.S. propaganda >  be included in the news. > >  ACTION: Please tell CNN to factually report the consequences of the U.S. > war >  in Afghanistan without editorializing. Including a justification for the >  bombing with every mention of civilian casualties risks turning CNN from a >  news outlet into a propaganda service. > >  CONTACT: >  CNN, Walter Isaacson, Chairman and CEO >  Phone: (404) 827-1500 >  Fax: (404) 827-1784 >  mailto:community@cnn.com > >  As always, please remember that your comments are taken more seriously if >  you maintain a polite tone. Please cc fair@fair.org with your >  correspondence. > >  For further details, see Howard Kurtz's full Washington Post story: > > >                                 ---------- > > ACTION ALERT: > Op-Ed Echo Chamber: > Little space for dissent to the military line > > November 2, 2001 > > During the weeks following September's terrorist attacks, two leading > dailies used their op-ed pages as an echo chamber for the government's > official policy of military response, mostly ignoring dissenters and policy > critics. > > A FAIR survey of the New York Times and the Washington Post op-ed pages for > the three weeks following the attacks (9/12/01 - 10/2/01) found that columns > calling for or assuming a military response to the attacks were given a > great deal of space, while opinions urging diplomatic and international law > approaches as an alternative to military action were nearly non-existent. > > We counted a total of 44 columns in the Times and Post that clearly stressed > a military response, against only two columns stressing non-military > solutions. (Though virtually every op-ed in both papers dealt in some way > with September 11, most did not deal specifically with how to respond to the > attacks, with many focusing on economics, rebuilding, New York's Rudolph > Giuliani, etc. During the period surveyed, the Post ran a total of 105 op-ed > columns, the Times ran 79.) > > Overall, the Post was more militaristic, running at least 32 columns > favoring military action, compared to 12 in the Times. But the Post also > provided the only two columns we could find in the first three weeks after > September 11 that argued for non-military responses; the Times had no such > columns. Both dissenting columns were written by guest writers. > > The Times' and Post's in-house columnists provided the bulk of the pro-war > commentary. Two-thirds of the Times columns urging military action were > written in-house, as were more than half of the Post's pro-war columns. This > may say something about which journalists are singled out for promotion to > the prestigious position of columnist. > > In addition, both op-ed pages showed a striking gender imbalance. Of the 107 > op-ed writers at the Post, only seven were women. Proportionally, the Times > did slightly better, with eight female writers out of 79. > > When critics argue that U.S. news media have a duty to provide a broad > debate on war, a common response is to ask why-- after all, isn't there a > political and popular consensus in favor of war? > > Perhaps, but there's reason to believe that the extent and nature of that > consensus has been overstated and distorted. > > In polls that offered a choice between a military response or nothing, it's > true that overwhelming majorities chose war. But given the choice between a > either military assault or pressing for the extradition and trial of those > responsible (Christian Science Monitor, 9/27/01), a substantial minority > either chose extradition (30 percent) or were undecided (16 percent). These > people had next to no representation in the op-ed debate; in fact, it's > likely that many people asked to choose whether or not to go to war had > never seen an alternative to war articulated in a mainstream outlet. > > There is also a little-acknowledged gender gap in poll responses about > military action, a fact that lends new significance to the gender imbalance > in Washington Post and New York Times op-eds. In the final two paragraphs of > a 1,395-word story titled "Public Unyielding in War Against Terror " > (9/29/01), the Washington Post pointed out that women "were significantly > less likely to support a long and costly war." According to the Post, while > 44 percent of women would support a broad military effort, "48 percent said > they want a limited strike or no military action at all." > > Similarly, a CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll (Gallup.com, 10/5/01) showed that 64 > percent of men think the U.S. "should mount a long-term war," while 24 > percent favored limiting retaliation to punishing the specific groups > responsible for the attacks. In contrast, "women are evenly divided-- with > 42 percent favoring each option." Noting that "women's support for war is > much more conditional than that of men," Gallup reports that though 88 > percent of women favored taking retaliatory military action, that number > dropped to 55 percent if 1,000 American troops would be killed (76 percent > of men would support a war under these circumstances). > > Of course, gender equity on the op-ed pages would not guarantee proportional > representation for dissenters-- some of the most virulently pro-war and > anti-Muslim columns have been written by female commentators (e.g., Mona > Charen, who called for mass expulsions based on ethnicity--Washington Times, > 10/18/01). But given the gender differences suggested by polling, more women > on the op-ed pages might well give the lie to the conventional wisdom that > all Americans have no-holds-barred enthusiasm for an open-ended war. > > Even, however, if one accepts the idea that the public overwhelmingly favors > war, the task of journalism is to remain independent and to ask tough > questions of policy makers. After all, American history includes many > official policies that were popular in their time, but which today are > viewed as disasters. Wouldn't the country have been better off if > journalists had provided a stronger, more abiding challenge to the consensus > that supported Vietnam, or the internment of Japanese-Americans? > > More than any other newspapers, the New York Times and the Washington Post-- > with their unmatched influence in the nation's capitol and in U.S. > newsrooms-- have a duty to provide readers with a wide range of views on how > to deal with terrorism, its causes and solutions. If the purpose of the > op-ed page is to provide a vigorous debate including critical opinions, both > papers failed their readers at a crucial time. > > ACTION: Please urge the Washington Post and the New York Times to broaden > the range of debate on their op-ed pages about the U.S. war in Afghanistan. > > CONTACT: > New York Times > Terry A. Tang, Op-Ed Page Editor > mailto:nytnews@nytimes.com > Toll free comment line: 1-888-NYT-NEWS > > Washington Post > Michael Getler, Ombudsman > mailto:ombudsman@washpost.com > (202) 334-7582 > > As always, please remember that your comments are taken more seriously if > you maintain a polite tone. Please cc fair@fair.org with your > correspondence. > >                                ---------- > >                                   FAIR >                              (212) 633-6700 > >                           E-mail: fair@fair.org > ====================================> > From: X > > 1) Afghan Casualty Image: > > > ****************************** > > 2) US attack kills Afghan children in Kabul > > Live television captures scenes of tragedy, and desperation > > by Ali Abunimah > > October 28, 2001 > > American warplanes struck civilian dwellings in the Makrurian neighborhood > of the Afghan capital Kabul on Sunday morning killing a number of people > many of them children, Al-Jazeera [Qatar-based cable TV network] reported. > > In a live report from the city moments after the strike, at approximately > 9 AM in Kabul, the television showed residents desperately digging through > the rubble of destroyed houses with small shovels looking for bodies of > loved ones. The television showed several bodies being uncovered from > under rubble, including the bodies of two young sisters. The television > showed their father crying and utterly distraught as his daughters were > pulled from the rubble and laid out on the ground. As people dug for > bodies, American warplanes circled overhead, and some people ran for > cover, apparently in fear of more attacks. > > The television showed, in pictures which were extremely difficult to bear, > bodies of children being laid out inside a building. One of the bodies > visible was missing limbs. Adults gently laid the bodies out and covered > them with sheets. In another shot the camera showed a head being revealed > by a rescuers shovel from a pile of rubble. > > The television showed a teenage boy searching among rubble of a house > possibly for members of his family. > > As the report was live, and the events were still unfolding, it was > impossible to say exactly how many people were killed. The Al-Jazeera > correspondent Taysir Allouni said that one completely destroyed house had > had nine occupants, of whom only one had emerged alive. In addition to the > dead people, the television showed a neighborhood of very simple mud > houses, which are simply pulverized when bombed, and many dazed, injured > and distraught residents. > > These images, perhaps because they were live and unedited, showed in the > most direct and shocking way what high explosives do to human beings and > their homes. These were the most upsetting pictures I have yet seen from > the war, and at times I found myself having to turn away from the screen. > > In other news, Israeli occupation forces have killed at least four more > Palestinians over the weekend, bringing the number Israel has killed since > October 18 to near 50. The Israeli government has announced that it is > postponing indefinitely its announced withdrawal from the towns and cities > it reoccupied since October 18. > > Ali Abunimah > > ------------------------------------------------ > This article came from > naeem_news@yahoogroups.com > > News/op-eds from alternate/progressive sources-- focusing on South Asia, > Third World. > > > ------------------------------------------------ > > (end) > > _______________________________________________ discuss@madpeace.org mailing list September 11 Email: Date Sunday, November 04, 2001 9:16 PM September 11 Email: Subject [MAPC-discuss] Fw: !*CNN: Focus on Civilian Casualties Would Be ]]> Tue, 07 Jan 2014 11:51:39 -0500 Title [MAPC-discuss] [Fwd: Q &A on the War - Circulate] Source born-digital Media Type email Created by Author yes Described by Author no Date Entered 2001-12-03 September 11 Email: Body This is a very useful Q & A series from ZNET. "The average American is not surprised that corporations and the government seek to use fear of terror to redistribute funds upward by means of regressive tax reforms and boondoggle military spending, to gut public programs, to stifle public debate by calls for patriotism from the media, and to restrict rights by draconian legislation. But not as commonly understood is that active dissent can curb these trends and can foster opposite ones on behalf of the poor, of those who work, and of those who need civil liberties. And dissenters continuing to dissent and to make known the power of dissent, are thus absolutely essential, in this, now as at any other time." Eight Questions on the Direction the US "War on Terror" is Taking More Q & A On Terror and War By Michael Albert & Stephen R. Shalom 1. You have expressed skepticism that Osama bin Laden was involved in the Sept. 11 attacks. Are you still skeptical? Actually, what we and other advocates of democratic judicial values argued was not bin Laden's innocence, but that evidence regarding his involvement was not presented. On November 14 -- more than five weeks after the bombing began -- British Prime Minister Tony Blair declared that the evidence "now leaves no doubt whatever" that bin Laden was responsible. But isn't the evidence supposed to precede, not follow, the punishment? In any event, however, Blair's evidence even at this point is not decisive -- the only real addition to Blair's earlier dossier are quotes from an unpublicized bin Laden video -- that Britain doesn't have a copy of, but has knowledge of, reports the Los Angeles Times (15 Nov. 2001) -- that are not given in context and fall short of an admission. Bin Laden's guilt seems very likely, but the point is not to convince Blair or one allied government or another or even us, but public opinion in the Muslim world. Despite Washington's initial promise to present evidence publicly, it has yet to do so. Not only did we never dispute the possibility that bin Laden was involved in some way, we instead offered an explanation of why he might very well have been involved, what he was seeking, etc. We suggested that his motive, were he responsible, was probably to draw the U.S. into a massive response, destabilizing the region, a result that still may occur. More to the intent of the question, if, when a vigilante mob tries to lynch someone, it turns out that their suspect actually was guilty, that doesn't make the mob's actions any less vigilante. And this is true even if the mob doesn't kill a great many people (mostly victims, not culprits) in the process of going after their suspect, as has been occurring in Afghanistan. 2. Critics of the war have warned about mass starvation, genocide, and catastrophe. Weren't these warnings exaggerated? No. Opponents of U.S. policy, ourselves included, indicated that human rights and aid organizations warned that the bombing could lead to a million or even millions of deaths. And we pointed out that ignoring this warning, regardless of whether the horror came to pass or not, was an absolutely devastating commentary upon our ruling and media elites, and on others as well. That remains exactly the case. We also urged that it was a priority to pressure the U.S. to stop the bombing, stop the war, and aid in averting this catastrophe. That is still the priority, in fact. As to what damage has already been done, no one knows. What has happened, for example, to the large fraction of the population that has fled to the heavily-mined countryside? And many harmful consequences of U.S. policy will not be felt until later. What will be the future effects, for example, of losses in grain planting that was disrupted in October? When eyes turn away, who will be there to assess it? That a country embarks on a policy that puts a million or more innocent civilians at risk for political purposes is mass-scale terrorism. If -- and it remains a big if, regrettably -- the catastrophe is averted that will certainly be a reason to celebrate, but it will not be not reason to laud those who aggravated the prospects of disaster in the first place. Playing Russian Roulette is stupid -- even if you don't end up blowing your head off. Shooting a gun with a bullet in a random chamber at someone else is immoral, whether or not you end up committing murder. At the current time prospects are still very unclear. Yes, the U.S. could cease hostilities and assist food distribution, thereby reducing the prospect of catastrophic starvation. But the U.S. seems intent on rejecting any military let-up, and any pressure we can bring to bear urging this course of action is no less a priority now than it was yesterday or last week. Aid agencies warned that the crucial factor was how much food could be gotten in place before the winter snows and that the bombing interfered with getting the food in. Whether enough time now remains and whether the necessary effort is made before the snow arrives remains the critical question. 3. Some have been critical of the U.S. food drops. But weren't these helpful until the war provided a means to get food in by land? No. The food drops were pure PR, perhaps doing more harm than good. And while left critics of the war certainly argued this, they did so by quoting the World Food Program, the Red Cross, and others aid agencies, and even the Financial Times, all of whom issued scathing denunciations of this propaganda tool. Nothing has changed about that. What has now occurred is that the Northern Alliance has occupied Kabul, and what's left of the Taliban has retreated, it appears, to the mountains, virtually without a fight, under the weight of the most powerful non-nuclear bombs ever created, perhaps with the intention of waging an ongoing guerilla war from outside the main cities. The end to major fighting in the north may well have welcome humanitarian consequences. But what does that lead us to conclude about the morality of U.S. actions? Suppose the Taliban were to release, tomorrow, a proclamation declaring "we left the cities for the mountains so that the bombing would halt -- not having us as a target -- and the way would be clear for food aid to get to our fellow citizens. We have sacrificed our hold on power, to avert starvation among our people." Would we take that seriously? It would be true that their having left the field of battle created the conditions mentioned in the question. It would be true that it was a choice on their part, and that they could have instead fought on, leading into the winter, etc. Nevertheless, we would deduce based on our knowledge of their past policies that they made the choice out of their own strategic concerns, not out of concern for those suffering hunger. When the U.S. claims to care about the Afghan poor, we should not relinquish our critical faculties, just as we wouldn't were the Taliban to make the claim. Note, incidentally, that it was not the case that U.S. planners "knew" they could force the Taliban out of the northern cities before winter. Every indication suggests that the Taliban retreat was as much a surprise to the Pentagon as to everyone else. Just two days ago Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld was warning that though victory wouldn't take years, it would take months (which, he observed, meant that he had 23 months in which to operate). 4. Do you still think we're targeting civilians in our bombing? We never thought or stated that the bombing was targeting civilians per se. We did say that the direct violent affects on civilians were predictable. U.S. military planners know how often their smart bombs, not to mention their dumb bombs, miss, and how often their cluster bombs fail to detonate, thereby spewing future death traps across the land. But the real issue, from the beginning, was not the hundreds of civilians killed by bombs, horrible as that is, but the tens or hundreds of thousands, or maybe more, who might succumb quietly out of camera range. Some will be victims of the destruction of what little civilian infrastructure there is in the country: for example, electrical transmission from the power station at the Kajaki Dam has been knocked out, creating (according to UN officials) the risk of massive flooding and crop failures (Independent, 8 Nov. 2001). Some will be driven into the landmine-infested countryside. But the potentially most disastrous effect of the bombing -- as we always maintained, and as various aid agencies have warned -- has been to put huge numbers of people at risk of starvation. And this remains the case. And we said that the latter was the most abominably heinous aspect of the project -- beyond that it [the War] was undertaken outside the law, indeed specifically to delegitimate the law, and to maintain military credibility, and to propel a "war on terrorism" whose purpose to no small degree is to organize domestic fear in pursuit of elite agendas of financial redistribution from poor to rich and draconian social reaction against civil liberties. 5. There's been lots of criticism of the Northern Alliance. But haven't they proven pretty effective? Criticism of the Northern Alliance has been not that they are incompetent soldiers, but social monsters, slightly different in kind from the Taliban, but small improvement morally. Nothing in the past few days changes the historical record of the Northern Alliance, and indeed, the first sketchy reports of executions and looting in cities newly fallen under their control suggests that their thuggish practices continue. As RAWA, perhaps the foremost organization fighting for the rights of women in Afghanistan, announced as the Northern Alliance entered Kabul, "The retreat of the terrorist Taliban from Kabul is a positive development, but the entering of the rapist and looter Northern Alliance in the city is nothing but dreadful and shocking news for about 2 million residents of Kabul whose wounds of the years 1992-96 have not healed yet. Thousands of people who fled Kabul during the past two months were saying that they feared coming to power of the NA in Kabul much more than being scared by the US bombing." Moreover, while they are no doubt capable warriors, what has occurred has little or perhaps even nothing to do with their battlefield abilities, since there was no battle. The Taliban essentially withdrew without a fight, apparently choosing to cede the cities to continue the struggle from the mountains, depending on how much there is left to them, under the onslaught of the bombing. 6. Since the anthrax probably has a domestic source and since the crash of American Airlines Flight 587 probably was accidental, don't your concerns about creating more terrorists seem a little alarmist? Not at all -- unfortunately -- since people who are newly pushed to desperation by current policies, by the starvation, by the other continuing policies in the region, all now highlighted and aggravated, do not overnight manifest their commitment via terrorist attack, of course. The assessment of this miserable and depressing prediction against actual outcomes is in the future, not the present. It is not unlike when critics warned back in the 1980s that supporting bin Laden and the Mujahideen would have horrible future blowback ramifications. To say a week or two, or even a year or two after that prediction that it was proved false would have been a bit premature, obviously. 7. And your worries about uprisings throughout the Arab and Muslim worlds (including nuclear-armed Pakistan) -- weren't these too rather exaggerated? We and other critics said that the policies undertaken in Afghanistan and proposed for the rest of the world risked such destabilization. They did, and they still do. Does anyone think that Pakistan's stability is assured as the battle moves to the southern Pashtun region of Afghanistan, a region with many cross-border ties to Pakistan? And if the U.S. decides to expand the "war on terrorism" to some new defenseless venue, say the Sudan, or perhaps a not entirely defenseless venue, say Iraq, the prospects of general social dissolution in the region will enlarge, again. Numerous surveys in Arab and Muslim nations show extremely high levels of opposition to the U.S. war, even in supposedly friendly states. Most people are not inclined to heed bin Laden's call to holy war, but as the U.S. pushes its dictatorial allies to join Washington's holy war, instability is likely to spread. 8. Isn't it time to celebrate the demise of the Taliban and return to healing our country, setting aside all the negative talk about U.S. criminality, and all the opposition to U.S. policies? If the Taliban were finished as a social force, that would be something worth "celebrating" in that the Taliban is a horrendously reactionary and violent organization impeding justice by its very existence and practices. But, regrettably, it is quite possible that they are off planning their next actions, not disintegrating. As to setting aside criticisms of the U.S., nothing could be less constructive. First, to continue to criticize and more importantly raise dissent to pressure an end to bombing and undertaking food aid in all endangered regions is paramount. The alternative is too horrible to even entertain. Second, addressing the just grievances of people throughout the Middle East and the world regarding U.S. foreign policies is necessary both on behalf of those who suffer the impact of those policies, and also to eliminate the cause of support for terrorism against the U.S. And third, the events in NYC, Washington, and Afghanistan, we are told by our government, auger a larger project, a war on terrorism, whose character, as we can already see, is to be quite like that of the Cold War. It will, if it actually transpires as intended, marshal hate and fear through manipulation and misrepresentation into support for policies that further enrich and empower the already rich and powerful. Everyone, at some level, knows this. The average American is not surprised that corporations and the government seek to use fear of terror to redistribute funds upward by means of regressive tax reforms and boondoggle military spending, to gut public programs, to stifle public debate by calls for patriotism from the media, and to restrict rights by draconian legislation. But not as commonly understood is that active dissent can curb these trends and can foster opposite ones on behalf of the poor, of those who work, and of those who need civil liberties. And dissenters continuing to dissent and to make known the power of dissent, are thus absolutely essential, in this, now as at any other time. September 11 Email: Date Monday, December 03, 2001 2:56 AM September 11 Email: Subject [MAPC-discuss] [Fwd: Q &A on the War - Circulate] ]]> Tue, 07 Jan 2014 11:51:39 -0500 Title Re: [MAPC-coord] International/National Solidarity/Networking Source born-digital Media Type email Created by Author yes Described by Author no Date Entered 2001-11-15 September 11 Email: Body Possibly we need a name... There are currently 9 prospective members and 3 folks who asked to be kept informed.  We are meeting Tuesday 11/20 at 6:45 at a place to be determined. Our agenda will consist of naming ourselves, selecting an outie and innie, and setting up a workplan for ourselves.  Many of the prospective members (including myself) are parents, and have expressed cautiousness about our ability to commit to too many meetings.  We might be an unusual group.  I think we might be a email-based working group. I have a concern for discussion by the CC.  Since joining the MAPC, I scarcely have time for peace work.  I am not alone in expressing this. Between email overload, the general meeting, committee meetings, and CC meetings for outies, it's a lot.  I know that some of you are doing it, and doing it incredibly well.  And I understand and support the need for a great deal of communication and process in a new organization.  But we need structural niches persons with less time available.   I don't have a solution to suggest just yet, and I will keep thinking about this, but I wanted to bring this up for discussion as well. Finally, I am very pleased to see the push for outreach.  I think this the most critical thing for us right now - for all the right political reasons, but also because I am beginning to get faint wiffs of toast at every level in the organization.  Which is not to say we are not doing absolutely amazing things - the fast, the rallies, the art stuff, the teach-ins and tabling, the policy and website development, the fact the we already have a budget and money to fund it - it's all pretty astonishing.  But we could certainly use more person-power. PeaceLoveDove, (an old hippee) Norah _______________________________________________ coordination@madpeace.org

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