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11Prompt - Spacelessness /?q=taxonomy/term/109 en A Falsehood spread about God /?q=node/604 <div class="field field-name-body field-type-text-with-summary field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even" property="content:encoded"><p>For many years, scientists have been propagating a falsehood about God. That falsehood is as follows: "The God-hypothesis does not predict anything that can be tested," or "The God-hypothesis does not have any observational consequences."</p> <p>But I showed back in 2001 that this is entirely false. I demonstrated that the God-hypothesis can predict something that has been tested and verified. I showed that if, at the very beginning of the universe, there existed a spaceless and timeless entity (God has always been described this way), then due to the presence of such a spaceless and timeless being, the values of space and time must necessarily be relative — and science has indeed shown that the values of space and time are relative.</p> <p>Because God is spaceless and timeless, the values of space and time in relation to God are absolutely zero. But in all other cases, the values of space and time are non-zero. Therefore, the values of space and time must be relative.</p> <p>However, this cannot be considered definitive proof of God's existence, because God's consciousness cannot be proven in this way. Even if, instead of God, there existed a spaceless and timeless unconscious entity, the values of space and time would still be relative.</p> <p>Scientists who are working on quantum gravity are now saying that space and time cannot be fundamental — they are emergent. If scientists ultimately conclude that space-time is emergent, it would mean that the source from which space-time emerged cannot itself be located within space-time, since space-time did not exist before its own emergence.</p> <p>And since nothing can exist without space-time, the source from which space-time originated can be identified as the root of all existence — and that source must be spaceless and timeless. Although scientists are not calling it "spaceless and timeless"; instead, they are calling it non-spatiotemporal.</p> <p>If scientists continue down the path they are currently on, they will eventually arrive not at a spaceless and timeless conscious being at the beginning of the universe, but rather at a non-spatiotemporal unconscious entity.</p> <p>However, I showed as early as 2012 that such an unconscious entity must possess consciousness — otherwise, the spacelessness and timelessness of light cannot be explained in any way.</p> <p>So there's no need for atheists to worry about proving God's existence. They can simply go on spreading the same falsehood — that "God-hypothesis does not predict anything."1</p> <p>Footnote:<br /> 1. Translated from Bengali with the help of ChatGPT.</p> </div></div></div><div class="field field-name-field-tags field-type-taxonomy-term-reference field-label-above clearfix"><h3 class="field-label">Tags: </h3><ul class="links"><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-0" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/123" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">God</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-1" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/161" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Scientists</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-2" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/345" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">ChatGPT</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-3" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/53" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">space</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-4" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/54" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">time</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-5" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/109" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Spacelessness</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-6" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/110" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Timelessness</a></li></ul></div> Wed, 21 May 2025 12:42:01 +0000 Himangsu Sekhar Pal 604 at /?q=node/604#comments Atheist now sees ghost of god everywhere /?q=node/567 <div class="field field-name-body field-type-text-with-summary field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even" property="content:encoded"><p>"If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him." – Voltaire</p> <p>"A Boss in Heaven is the best excuse for a boss on earth; therefore if God did exist, he would have to be abolished.” - Mikhail Bakunin</p> <p>God cannot be so easily abolished, because even an atheist is now seeing god where there is no mention of god. Below is the story:</p> <p> Athiest1</p> <p>I like how you pick apart the idea of timelessness and spacelessness. In the future, however, I think you could get a lot of further traction by pointing out how space and time are not even separate entities unto themselves. General relativity is very clear that space and time are linked into a single entity called spacetime. We also know that the nature of spacetime is not very well understood, and that there are all sorts of wacky things it could transform into or causally derive from---especially in the realm of ultra high energy and density like the Big Bang. So whenever these Christians speak of the universe just popping into existence, they are demonstrating very clearly that they simply don't understand the fundamental nature of spacetime and causality.</p> <p>Me to Athiest1</p> <p>Do you know one thing? Scientists who are working with the quantum theory of gravity are now saying unanimously that space and time are not fundamental entities at all, but epiphenomena arising from other yet more fundamental entities. Even string theorists are also saying the same thing that space and time are not fundamental. Below are some relevant quotes: </p> <p>1) While different approaches to quantum gravity are often based on rather different physical principles, many of them share an important suggestion: that in some way spacetime as we find it in our existing theories is not a fundamental ingredient of the world, but instead, like rainbows, plants or people, `emerges' from some deeper, non-spatiotemporal physics. What replaces spacetime and what aspects of spacetime remain in the ontology of fundamental physics differs, as one would expect, from approach to approach. But the idea that the universe and its material content might not, at bottom, be `in' space and time, that these seemingly fundamental ingredients are just appearances of something more fundamental, would, if borne out, shatter our conception of the universe as profoundly as any scientific revolution before.<br /> - The emergence of spacetime in quantum theories of gravity by Nick Huggett and Christian Wuthrich_ </p> <p>2) Nobel Laureate David Gross observed, “Everyone in string theory is convinced...that spacetime is doomed. But we don't know what it's replaced by.” Fields medalist Edward Witten also thought that space and time may be “doomed.” Nathan Seiberg of the Institute for Advanced Study at Princeton said, "I am almost certain that space and time are illusions. These are primitive notions that will be replaced by something more sophisticated."<br /> - Donald D. Hoffman in The Abdication Of Space-Time (Edge.org) </p> <p>3) “There aren’t many things in quantum gravity that everyone agrees on,” says Eleanor Knox, a philosopher at King’s College London who specializes in the philosophy of physics. “Yet the one thing many people seemed to agree on in quantum gravity was that we were going to have to cope with space and time not being fundamental.”<br /> - Are Space and Time Fundamental? – The nature of reality - PBS by Kate Becker, Mar 2012 </p> <p>Now what would be the consequences if space and time are not fundamental but emergent? Here are some thoughts: </p> <p>That space and time are emergent would have at least two implications. It would imply that those fundamental entities from which space and time have emerged cannot be within any space and time and it would also imply that they cannot be material. They cannot be within any space and time simply because space and time have emerged from them and therefore there was no space and time prior to the emergence of space and time. Thus they would be spaceless and timeless. However scientists are not describing these fundamental entities as spaceless and timeless, they are describing them as non-spatiotemporal. In whichever way they are described, the truth remains the same: those fundamental entities from which space and time have emerged cannot be within any space and time. Being thus spaceless and timeless (or non-spatiotemporal) they would also be immaterial. This is because GR has shown that space, time and matter are so interlinked that when there would be matter, there would be space and time as well. So, if those fundamental entities were material, then there would also be space and time along with those material entities. In that case there would already be space and time prior to the emergence of space and time, which would be an absurdity. </p> <p>That means the fundamental entities from which spacetime has emerged were spaceless, timeless and immaterial. However it can be shown that only one entity be there in spaceless and timeless condition which would further mean that spacetime has emerged from one single entity only that was spaceless, timeless (or, non-spatiotemporal) and immaterial.</p> <p>Atheist2 to Me</p> <p>"That means the fundamental entities from which spacetime has emerged were spaceless, timeless and immaterial. However it can be shown that only one entity be there in spaceless and timeless condition which would further mean that spacetime has emerged from one single entity only that was spaceless, timeless (or, non-spatiotemporal) and immaterial." </p> <p>Lol. xxxxxxx bullshit</p> <p>Me to Atheist2</p> <p>It is not me but the scientists working with the quantum theory of gravity who are saying that spacetime is not fundamental but emergent. If spacetime is not fundamental but emergent, then that will mean that there is something more fundamental than space-time from which space-time has emerged. This something more fundamental than space-time cannot be within any space-time because there cannot be any space-time prior to the emergence of space-time. This is nothing but simple common sense. </p> <p>Being not within any space-time it cannot be material, because GR forbids it. </p> <p>So, do you lack simple common sense and are you also anti-science that my argument appears to you as xxxxxxx bullshit?</p> <p>Atheist3 to Me</p> <p>I think he's upset because your confirmation bias is showing. </p> <p>You've skipped over this key part: "What replaces spacetime and what aspects of spacetime remain in the ontology of fundamental physics differs, as one would expect, from approach to approach." </p> <p>You want to see it as fitting the definition of your god, but that's not what they're saying. They're saying there's something 'below' our universe that has its own manifestation of energy. They're saying it is not OUR universe, but it still has laws nonetheless, only these laws dictate the manifestation of energy into universes. </p> <p>It is by no means evidence of a creator. If you did not intend to imply that, my apologies, but the correlation seemed strong.</p> <p>Atheist2 to Me </p> <p>"If spacetime is not fundamental but emergent, then that will mean that there is something more fundamental than space-time from which space-time has emerged" Citation xxxxxxx needed. Religious bullshit all over.</p> <p>Me to Atheist3 </p> <p>You have written: "You want to see it as fitting the definition of your god, but that's not what they are saying." </p> <p>You have also written: "It is by no means evidence of a creator." </p> <p>Can you show by any direct quote where I have mentioned god or a creator in my first comment? So, from where have you brought all these entities and accusing me unnecessarily? </p> <p>In my comment I have only tried to show what would be the logical consequences if spacetime is not fundamental but emergent. If my analysis appears to someone as xxxxxxx religious bullshit, then I will say 21st century physics is xxxxxxx religious bullshit that says that we will have to abandon the notion that spacetime is fundamental.</p> <p>Atheist3 to Me </p> <p>You said, "...spacetime has emerged from one single entity only that was spaceless, timeless (or, non-spatiotemporal) and immaterial." This is a common definition for a christian god.</p> <p>Me to Atheist3</p> <p>But the Christian God has got consciousness. Have I written in my comment that the entity from which space-time has emerged is a conscious entity?</p> <p>Atheist3 to Me </p> <p>As I stated before, if you did not mean to imply that, my apologies. You've asked for a reason for my interpretation of your intent, and I gave it to you. Maybe you can grow from this by understanding how other people may interpret your communications, and shape them accordingly.</p> <p>Me to Atheist3 </p> <p>It is okay. </p> <p>However I want to say one thing here. Actually theistic belief has two parts. In one part theists hold that life, mind and consciousness were already there before the beginning of the universe, because before the beginning there was God and God is life, mind and consciousness itself. In the second part they hold that there was no space and time before the beginning, because before the beginning there was God and that God is spaceless and timeless. So as per the theistic belief life, mind and consciousness are fundamental, because they were already there before the beginning of anything, but space and time are not, because there was no space and time before the beginning. Up till now scientists have refused to acknowledge the first part of the theistic belief as true and they still hold that life, mind and consciousness are emergent entities only. But forced by the circumstances they have been driven to the conclusion that the second part of the theistic belief is essentially true, that space and time are not fundamental, but emergent only. </p> <p>That is the reason as to why my final conclusion appears to you so similar to the definition of the theistic god. </p> <p>Here the story ends.</p> <p>Now we can say that the new physics of emergent spacetime has given such a marvelous twist to the ultimate reality that even an atheist now mistakes it for God.</p> </div></div></div><div class="field field-name-field-tags field-type-taxonomy-term-reference field-label-above clearfix"><h3 class="field-label">Tags: </h3><ul class="links"><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-0" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/123" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">God</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-1" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/53" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">space</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-2" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/54" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">time</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-3" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/109" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Spacelessness</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-4" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/110" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Timelessness</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-5" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/280" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Voltaire</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-6" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/281" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Bakunin</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-7" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/274" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Nick Huggett</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-8" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/282" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Christian Wuthrich</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-9" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/270" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">David Gross</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-10" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/271" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Edward Witten</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-11" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/272" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Nathan Seiberg</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-12" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/273" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Donald D. Hoffman</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-13" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/279" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Kate Becker</a></li></ul></div> Fri, 07 Sep 2018 04:28:38 +0000 Himangsu Sekhar Pal 567 at /?q=node/567#comments Is Multiverse Real? /?q=node/566 <div class="field field-name-body field-type-text-with-summary field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even" property="content:encoded"><p>In one YouTube presentation the question discussed was whether Atheism was Impervious to Evidence. The following thread is from that presentation. </p> <p>Atheist1 </p> <p>No, atheism is not impervious to evidence. All you have to do is provide evidence for a god, to date nobody has done that, not even once. There has never been any testable, falsifiable, repeatable, demonstrable, concrete, independently verifiable evidence presented for any deity ever.</p> <p> Me to Atheist1 </p> <p>Do you know one thing? Scientists who are working with the quantum theory of gravity are now saying unanimously that space and time are not fundamental entities at all, but epiphenomena arising from other yet more fundamental entities. Even string theorists are also saying the same thing that space and time are not fundamental. Below are some relevant quotes: </p> <p>1) While different approaches to quantum gravity are often based on rather different physical principles, many of them share an important suggestion: that in some way spacetime as we find it in our existing theories is not a fundamental ingredient of the world, but instead, like rainbows, plants or people, `emerges' from some deeper, non-spatiotemporal physics. What replaces spacetime and what aspects of spacetime remain in the ontology of fundamental physics differs, as one would expect, from approach to approach. But the idea that the universe and its material content might not, at bottom, be `in' space and time, that these seemingly fundamental ingredients are just appearances of something more fundamental, would, if borne out, shatter our conception of the universe as profoundly as any scientific revolution before.<br /> - The emergence of spacetime in quantum theories of gravity by Nick Huggett and Christian Wuthrich_ </p> <p>2) Nobel Laureate David Gross observed, “Everyone in string theory is convinced...that spacetime is doomed. But we don't know what it's replaced by.” Fields medalist Edward Witten also thought that space and time may be “doomed.” Nathan Seiberg of the Institute for Advanced Study at Princeton said, "I am almost certain that space and time are illusions. These are primitive notions that will be replaced by something more sophisticated."<br /> - Donald D. Hoffman in The Abdication Of Space-Time (Edge.org) </p> <p>3) “If there were a dividing line between the quantum and the classical worlds, we could use the space and time of the classical world to provide a framework for describing quantum processes. But without such a dividing line—and, indeed, with¬out a truly classical world—we lose this framework. We must ex¬plain space and time as somehow emerging from fundamental¬ly spaceless and timeless physics. </p> <p>“That insight, in turn, may help us reconcile quantum physics with that other great pillar of physics, Einstein’s general theory of relativity, which describes the force of gravity in terms of the geometry of spacetime. General relativity assumes that objects have well-defined positions and never reside in more than one place at the same time—in direct contradiction with quantum physics. Many physicists, such as Stephen Hawking of the Uni¬versity of Cambridge, think that relativity theory must give way to a deeper theory in which space and time do not exist. Classi¬cal spacetime emerges out of quantum entanglements through the process of decoherence.”<br /> - Vlatko Vedral, Living in a quantum world, Scientific American, June 2011 </p> <p>4) “There aren’t many things in quantum gravity that everyone agrees on,” says Eleanor Knox, a philosopher at King’s College London who specializes in the philosophy of physics. “Yet the one thing many people seemed to agree on in quantum gravity was that we were going to have to cope with space and time not being fundamental.”<br /> - Are Space and Time Fundamental? – The nature of reality - PBS by Kate Becker, Mar 2012 </p> <p>Now what would be the consequences if space and time are not fundamental but emergent? Here are some thoughts: </p> <p>That space and time are emergent would have at least two implications. It would imply that those fundamental entities from which space and time have emerged cannot be within any space and time and it would also imply that they cannot be material. They cannot be within any space and time simply because space and time have emerged from them and therefore there was no space and time prior to the emergence of space and time. Thus they would be spaceless and timeless. However scientists are not describing these fundamental entities as spaceless and timeless, they are describing them as non-spatiotemporal. In whichever way they are described, the truth remains the same: those fundamental entities from which space and time have emerged cannot be within any space and time. Being thus spaceless and timeless (or non-spatiotemporal) they would also be immaterial. This is because GR has shown that space, time and matter are so interlinked that when there would be matter, there would be space and time as well. So, if those fundamental entities were material, then there would also be space and time along with those material entities. In that case there would already be space and time prior to the emergence of space and time, which would be an absurdity. That means the fundamental entities from which spacetime has emerged were spaceless, timeless and immaterial. However it can be shown that only one entity be there in spaceless and timeless condition which would further mean that spacetime has emerged from one single entity only that is spaceless, timeless (or non-spatiotemporal) and immaterial. </p> <p>Theistic belief has two parts. In one part theists hold that life, mind and consciousness were already there before the beginning of the universe, because before the beginning there was God and God is life, mind and consciousness itself. In the second part they hold that there was no space and time before the beginning, because before the beginning there was God and that God is spaceless and timeless. So as per the theistic belief life, mind and consciousness are fundamental, because they were already there before the beginning of anything, but space and time are not, because there was no space and time before the beginning. Up till now scientists have refused to acknowledge the first part of the theistic belief as true and they still hold that life, mind and consciousness are emergent entities only. But forced by the circumstances they have been driven to the conclusion that the second part of the theistic belief is essentially true, that space and time are not fundamental, but emergent only. </p> <p>It may so happen that within some fifty or hundred years from now on scientists will be again driven to the conclusion, and this time also they will be forced by the circumstances only, that life, mind and consciousness are indeed fundamental and not emergent. However, only time can tell whether that will really happen or not.</p> <p>Atheist2<br /> "Do you know one thing"<br /> I can tell you one thing: the claim you make following that is bunk.</p> <p>Me to Atheist2<br /> Once scientists have admitted that spacetime is not fundamental but emergent, now atheists can no longer hold their position without denouncing science. And here you have just done that which is expected from a dogmatic atheist.</p> <p>Atheist1 to Me</p> <p>"Once scientists have admitted that spacetime is not fundamental but emergent, now atheists can no longer hold their position without denouncing science." </p> <p>The only atheist position there is is clear in the word "atheism" it's self. That is we are without theism, "A" - without, "theism" - a belief in the existence of a god or gods, specifically of a creator who intervenes in the universe. We lack a god belief and/or we lack a conviction in the existence in any deities whatsoever, it's nothing more than that. Explain to me how your claim that scientists "admitted that spacetime is not fundamental but emergent" makes it so atheist denounce science by stating we don't have a god belief? Explain to me the logic in that.</p> <p>Me to Atheist1 </p> <p>It is not that there is only one reason due to which atheists have a lack of belief in the existence of god/gods; there are several reasons. Out of these several reasons two reasons are that as per atheists nothing can be spaceless and timeless and that nothing can be immaterial. Atheists can no longer deny the existence of god/gods on the basis of these two reasons without denouncing science. The case is closed for them forever. </p> <p>However there are other reasons also. Does the universe need any god? No, because everything in the universe, including its origin also, can be explained by natural means without invoking any kind of god/gods. At least this has been claimed by the atheistic scientists in general. But this is not true. There are some controversial cases also. Two such cases are origin of the universe and fine-tuning problem. </p> <p>Here atheists will say that fine-tuning problem is not at all a problem, because eternal inflation would give rise to infinite number of universes and fine-tuning problem can be solved very easily with multiverse hypothesis. But two scientists have raised serious doubt about the efficacy of multiverse hypothesis for solving the fine-tuning problem. </p> <p>Ethan Siegel in his article Yes, The Multiverse Is Real, But It Won't Fix Physics1 has written that ‘If cosmic inflation, General Relativity, and quantum field theory are all correct, the Multiverse likely is real, and we're living in it.’ But he has also added this reminder that ‘Just don't expect it to solve your most burning questions about the Universe. For that, you need physics you can put to an experimental or observable test. Until that day arrives, the consequences of a Multiverse will likely remain in the realm of science fiction: where they presently belong…The Multiverse is real, but provides the answer to absolutely nothing.’ </p> <p>But Hyun Seok Yang in his article Emergent Spacetime: Reality or Illusion?2 is more radical in his approach than Ethan Siegel, because as per him there would be no multiverse at all even if there would be inflation. Inflation theory was developed based on the assumption that spacetime was fundamental. But in case of emergent spacetime there would be no eternal inflation and so, there would be no multiverse. </p> <p>If multiverse is gone forever due to emergent spacetime, how will the scientists solve the fine-tuning problem without invoking some sort of intelligence behind the beginning of everything? </p> <p>And what will the atheists do then? Will they still cling to the multiverse hypothesis by denouncing science? </p> <p>Atheist1 to Me </p> <p>"It is not that there is only one reason due to which atheists have a lack of belief in the existence of god/gods; there are several reasons." </p> <p>Well if you actually comprehended my comment I spoke of atheists positions, not reasons. The position being "That is we are without theism, "A" - without, "theism" - a belief in the existence of a god or gods, specifically of a creator who intervenes in the universe." But since you mention it there IS only one reason, it would be the fact that atheists lack a conviction in God because of insufficient evidence. If you were to PROVE the existence of gods beyond a shadow of a doubt to an atheist then they wouldn't be an atheist anymore because belief isn't a choice. </p> <p>The claim that you make that atheists can no longer lack the conviction in god or gods without denouncing science on the basis that "scientists have admitted that spacetime is not fundamental but emergent" or that our universe is finely tuned is an unbridled and incredibly obvious logical fallacy. Nothing about these two claims PROVE definitively or uncover or point to or even suggest or hint in the slightest to the existence of a god or gods AT ALL, zero, nothing, nada. I challenge you to find me one legitimate piece of scientific literature that is peer reviewed and that is testable, repeatable, falsifiable, independently verifiable and has been published in a reputable scientific journal that states that deities are real, just one. Until you do so you're nothing but a snake oil salesman making logical fallacies, misrepresenting legitimate science and jumping to moronic conclusions to fit your agenda. I state this one more time, show me one piece of peer reviewed, scientific literature proving gods are real. I'll spoil it for you now, you will not be successful.</p> <p>Me to Atheist1 </p> <p>Suppose I put some simple questions to you. Will you please answer those questions? </p> <p>My first question will be: if there has never been any unicorn on this Earth, then should science give any evidence in support of its existence?</p> <p>Atheist1 to Me</p> <p>Science has never given evidence of unicorns or Gods/deities because there is no evidence for either. What you presented and asserted was evidence for deities a WAS NOT EVIDENCE FOR DEITIES. Stop wasting my time with nonsense. Now I will ask you show me peer reviewed scientific literature of testable, falsifiable, repeatable, demonstrable, concrete, independently verifiable evidence of god published in a scientific journal. Can you do that?? No? Then you have no evidence for god and you have no reason to believe. Now go away and stop wasting my time.</p> <p>Me to Atheist1 </p> <p>Do you have a nervous breakdown? Are you having a previous history of hysteria? Otherwise why such a violent reaction against a very simple question from my side?</p> <p>You have asked about some peer-reviewed evidence for God. May I ask you one question here? Are you still in your infancy that you require constant spoon-feeding from the peers? </p> <p>Do you know one bitter truth about these peers? These peers are very good in physics, but at the same time they are very bad in philosophy; actually they are some coarse-headed bad logicians. That is why they have taken more than hundred years of time for arriving at a conclusion that they could have arrived at very easily almost hundred years earlier when Einstein has proposed his special theory of relativity. In SR it has been shown that at the speed of light time totally stops and that even infinite distance becomes zero for light. The first one is the scientific explanation for timelessness and the second one is the same for spacelessness. As God has been called spaceless and timeless for thousands of years, so here either science was flawed, or if science could not be flawed, then definitely there was something objectively real in man’s imagination of God; God could not be purely imaginary. If they have argued like that at that time, then they could have very easily come to the conclusion that even if there was no God, still there was something spaceless and timeless in the universe for which SR had provided requisite explanation. So they could have said the same thing hundred years earlier what they are saying now that there is something non-spatiotemporal in the universe. </p> <p>And you want to depend on these peers for scientific proof of God! I am telling you very frankly that as they have taken almost hundred years for coming to such a simple conclusion, so they will take another hundred or two hundred years for coming to the conclusion that life, mind and consciousness are indeed fundamental and not emergent.</p> <p>Reference:<br /> 1. <a href=" /> 2. <a href="; </div></div></div><div class="field field-name-field-tags field-type-taxonomy-term-reference field-label-above clearfix"><h3 class="field-label">Tags: </h3><ul class="links"><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-0" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/113" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Universe</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-1" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/157" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Multiverse</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-2" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/53" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">space</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-3" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/54" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">time</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-4" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/109" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Spacelessness</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-5" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/110" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Timelessness</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-6" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/168" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Einstein</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-7" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/270" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">David Gross</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-8" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/271" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Edward Witten</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-9" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/272" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Nathan Seiberg</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-10" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/273" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Donald D. Hoffman</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-11" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/274" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Nick Huggett</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-12" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/275" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Christian Wutrich</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-13" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/96" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Stephen Hawking</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-14" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/276" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Vlatko Vedral</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-15" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/277" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Ethan Siegel</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-16" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/278" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Hyun Seok Yang</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-17" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/279" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Kate Becker</a></li></ul></div> Tue, 31 Jul 2018 06:56:51 +0000 Himangsu Sekhar Pal 566 at /?q=node/566#comments Which God? /?q=node/557 <div class="field field-name-body field-type-text-with-summary field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even" property="content:encoded"><p>In one YouTube comment thread an atheist has asked this question: 'Which god? I like Zeus... Can I study his word as the one and only truth? Odds are he's as right as Yahweh is or Allah or Odin or Shiva or Osiris or... You get the point' </p> <p>So the most crucial question is: which god? Because there are thousands of gods which man has imagined so far. Out of so many gods, which one is the true god? </p> <p>Actually there can be only one true God, a God who has created the universe. The answer is as simple as that. </p> <p>But how do we come to know that out of these thousands of gods which particular god has actually created the universe?</p> <p>There is an easy way out. First determine what will be the attributes of a creator god. Then find out which god out of these thousands of gods has these particular attributes of a creator god. Then that god will be the true god. </p> <p>So our next question will be: what are the attributes of this creator God? </p> <p>Anybody can find out what will be the attributes of this creator God if he/she is intelligent enough and if he/she can use his/her brain and logic properly. </p> <p>Here no spoon-feeding from the big peers is required at all. One's own intelligence is sufficient for this purpose. </p> <p>Universe has been created by God. </p> <p>Universe primarily means its space, time, matter and energy. </p> <p>So universe created by God will mean its space, time, matter and energy has been created by God. </p> <p>That will further mean that before creation by God there was no space, no time, no matter and no energy. </p> <p>That will again mean that before creation God was in no space and time and that God did not contain any matter and energy. </p> <p>That is the reason as to why theists always describe their God as spaceless, timeless and immaterial. </p> <p>So a creator God will always be spaceless, timeless and immaterial, because this is the one and the only one logically possible consequence of being the creator of a universe. </p> <p>Now let us ask ourselves this question: have Zeus, Ganesha, Poseidon, Santa, Easter Bunny, Odin, Thor, Shiva, Appollo, Osiris or any other mythical gods that we can think of, ever been described as spaceless, timeless and immaterial? </p> <p>If not, then none of these mythical gods can qualify himself as a probable candidate for the post of this creator God, because logic dictates that a creator God will always be spaceless, timeless and immaterial. </p> <p>But God of almost all the major religions all over the world has been repeatedly described as spaceless and timeless. </p> <p>Actually spacelessness and timelessness are the two most common major attributes of God of the religions throughout the world. Mystics who claim that they have direct encounter with God have also described their God as spaceless and timeless. </p> <p>But where is the evidence that there is such a creator God?</p> <p>Scientists have also faithfully served the purpose of this creator God by showing as to how it is possible to be spaceless and timeless (SR), whereas they could also have shown just the opposite, that no one or nothing could be spaceless and timeless.</p> <p>Yes, they could also have shown that no one or nothing could be spaceless and timeless if it was the job of the scientists to manufacture truth.</p> <p>In that case they could have very easily falsified science and shown that no one or nothing could be spaceless and timeless.</p> <p>In that case all our arguments for a creator God would have stopped then and there.</p> <p>But it is not the job of the scientists to manufacture truth but to discover it. So they had to show what they were supposed to show: THE TRUTH AS IT IS.</p> <p>So they had to show how it is possible to be spaceless and timeless.</p> <p>Thus they have failed to suppress the truth that it is really possible to be spaceless and timeless. </p> <p>It is most important for us believers that science has failed to suppress the truth that it is possible to be spaceless and timeless.</p> <p>[Here, am I not insulting the whole scientific community by suggesting that they can even think of suppressing any scientific truth? </p> <p>No, hereby I am merely uttering one bitter truth about some modern day scientists who so vehemently deny the existence of God that practically nothing is impossible for them, not even suppressing some scientific truth that may eventually point to a creator God.]</p> <p>By showing how it is possible to be spaceless and timeless, science has actually given its validation to our concept of a spaceless and timeless God. It has indirectly said here that from the scientific point of view it is not impossible for someone to be spaceless and timeless. </p> <p>Logic dictates that a creator God will always be spaceless and timeless and science has also given its full support to this logical conclusion by showing as to how it is possible to be spaceless and timeless. </p> <p>Thus both logic and science converge here and point to a single entity: creator God. </p> <p>Based on this fact alone it can safely be said that mathematics of SR points to a creator God whose two major attributes are his spacelessness and timelessness. </p> <p>If atheists deny the existence of this spaceless and timeless God, then they will have to answer this question: if no one or nothing in this universe is spaceless and timeless, then why was it necessary for science to show as to how it is possible to be spaceless and timeless?</p> <p>When I have pointed out to some atheists that God is called spaceless and timeless and that in SR science has also shown how it is possible to be spaceless and timeless, they have desperately tried to falsify science. One can go through the below links to see it oneself: </p> <p><a href="; <p> <a href="; <p><a href="; <p>The above tells us a lot about the mind-set of the atheists.</p> </div></div></div><div class="field field-name-field-tags field-type-taxonomy-term-reference field-label-above clearfix"><h3 class="field-label">Tags: </h3><ul class="links"><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-0" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/123" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">God</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-1" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/113" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Universe</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-2" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/243" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Allah</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-3" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/244" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Zeus</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-4" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/245" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Odin</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-5" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/246" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Thor</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-6" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/247" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Appollo</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-7" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/248" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Osiris</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-8" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/249" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Ra</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-9" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/250" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Ganesha</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-10" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/217" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Shiva</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-11" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/251" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Poseidon</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-12" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/252" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Santa</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-13" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/253" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Easter Bunny</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-14" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/121" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Spaceless</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-15" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/109" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Spacelessness</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-16" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/122" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Timeless</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-17" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/110" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Timelessness</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-18" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/149" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Immaterial</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-19" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/143" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Mystics</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-20" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/161" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Scientists</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-21" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/160" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Atheists</a></li></ul></div> Wed, 14 Jun 2017 05:34:45 +0000 Himangsu Sekhar Pal 557 at /?q=node/557#comments How Atheists Suppress Their Opponent’s Voice /?q=node/553 <div class="field field-name-body field-type-text-with-summary field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even" property="content:encoded"><p>In an earlier article1 I have shown how an atheist tries to suppress his opponent’s voice. Recently I have come across another instance of this. </p> <p>In one YouTube video comment section one person has written that theists are hilarious because they demand evidence for a multiverse, although they cannot provide any evidence for their God. He has also written that at least multiverse has intensely strong mathematical support behind it. </p> <p>In reply I have to write to him that if multiverse has mathematical support behind it, then God also has mathematical support behind him, because two equations of SR have already shown how it is possible to be spaceless, timeless and immortal. I also write to him that scientists are heavily biased and partial in their search for truth, because they consider multiverse as highly probable based on the mathematics of inflation theory, but these same scientists totally ignore God as probable, although there is mathematical support behind God also. </p> <p>Here comes another person saying that I am kidding and that there is no math that even hints at the existence of my particular God and that a fair amount of shoehorning is going on there.</p> <p>As he has commented that there is no math that hints at the existence of my particular God, so I have to explain to him in detail that the two equations of SR shows how it is possible to be spaceless and timeless. As God is called spaceless and timeless and as SR has also shown how a state of spacelessness and timelessness can obtain, so from this it can be said that mathematics of SR suggests it is highly probable there is a God.</p> <p>But this fails to convince him and he sticks to his opinion that I am shoehorning God into science. He also says that if I claim the probable existence of my God in this way, then in a similar way one can also claim the probable existence of other gods like the Greek Primordial Entity Chaos or the Hindu gods Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva, or the Egyptian god Atum, any of which could be this Universe's creator instead of my particular God. </p> <p>So I have to write to him that in the whole history of mankind only one God has been described as spaceless and timeless and that this God is the traditional God of almost all the religions all over the world. I also mention that even mystics have described their God as spaceless and timeless. I also write to him that if one wants to put all the other mythical gods in the same bracket with this traditional God, then one will definitely be mistaken. I also request him to mention one single god other than the traditional God of the religions who has been described as spaceless and timeless.</p> <p>But he does not comply. Rather he asks me to point to the text in my Bible that contains the terms 'timeless' and 'spaceless'. </p> <p>Below are the two replies of mine that have been deleted:</p> <p>Reply one: Perhaps you are not much educated. That is why you think that every person who believes in God is a Christian and that the Bible is his/her religious text. I am a Hindu, but I do not depend on any religious text for my belief. </p> <p>Here is a quote from Dr. William Lane Craig who is well known as a Christian apologist and a good debater: </p> <p>“And then on the rest of the page it’s fairly obvious how I deduce the remainder of these attributes which form the central core of the theistic notion of God: a personal Creator, uncaused, beginningless, changeless, immaterial, timeless, spaceless, enormously powerful, and intelligent. In the words of Thomas Aquinas, this is what everybody means by God.”1 </p> <p>Ref:<br /> 1. <a href="; </p> <p>In the above quote it has been mentioned that God is spaceless and timeless.</p> <p>Reply 2: You can also read the book ‘Mysticism and Philosophy’ by W. T. Stace, Chapter 2, Section 11: Conclusions, pages 131-132, by google search. </p> <p>Ref: WT Stace: Mysticism and Philosophy-wudhi.com</p> <p>As the above two replies of mine have been deleted, so the impression one will get after going through the whole dialogue is that I have failed to establish my point because I could not produce the required text from the Bible which will further imply that the atheist has the last laugh here.</p> <p>The truth is that atheists cannot reconcile themselves to the fact that one scientific theory (SR) has shown how it is possible to be spaceless and timeless and that at the same time religions have also described their God as spaceless and timeless. So either they try to show that SR is not a valid scientific theory2, or they try to show that mystics’ timelessness and scientists’ timelessness are not the same3, or when they cannot do anything of these, they directly suppress their opponent’s voice.</p> <p>Reference:<br /> 1. <a href=" /> 2. <a href=" /> 3. <a href="; </div></div></div><div class="field field-name-field-tags field-type-taxonomy-term-reference field-label-above clearfix"><h3 class="field-label">Tags: </h3><ul class="links"><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-0" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/123" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">God</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-1" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/121" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Spaceless</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-2" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/122" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Timeless</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-3" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/148" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Immortal</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-4" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/208" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Uncaused</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-5" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/209" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Beginningless</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-6" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/147" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Changeless</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-7" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/149" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Immaterial</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-8" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/210" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Intelligent</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-9" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/109&


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11Prompt - Timelessness /?q=taxonomy/term/110 en A Falsehood spread about God /?q=node/604 <div class="field field-name-body field-type-text-with-summary field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even" property="content:encoded"><p>For many years, scientists have been propagating a falsehood about God. That falsehood is as follows: "The God-hypothesis does not predict anything that can be tested," or "The God-hypothesis does not have any observational consequences."</p> <p>But I showed back in 2001 that this is entirely false. I demonstrated that the God-hypothesis can predict something that has been tested and verified. I showed that if, at the very beginning of the universe, there existed a spaceless and timeless entity (God has always been described this way), then due to the presence of such a spaceless and timeless being, the values of space and time must necessarily be relative — and science has indeed shown that the values of space and time are relative.</p> <p>Because God is spaceless and timeless, the values of space and time in relation to God are absolutely zero. But in all other cases, the values of space and time are non-zero. Therefore, the values of space and time must be relative.</p> <p>However, this cannot be considered definitive proof of God's existence, because God's consciousness cannot be proven in this way. Even if, instead of God, there existed a spaceless and timeless unconscious entity, the values of space and time would still be relative.</p> <p>Scientists who are working on quantum gravity are now saying that space and time cannot be fundamental — they are emergent. If scientists ultimately conclude that space-time is emergent, it would mean that the source from which space-time emerged cannot itself be located within space-time, since space-time did not exist before its own emergence.</p> <p>And since nothing can exist without space-time, the source from which space-time originated can be identified as the root of all existence — and that source must be spaceless and timeless. Although scientists are not calling it "spaceless and timeless"; instead, they are calling it non-spatiotemporal.</p> <p>If scientists continue down the path they are currently on, they will eventually arrive not at a spaceless and timeless conscious being at the beginning of the universe, but rather at a non-spatiotemporal unconscious entity.</p> <p>However, I showed as early as 2012 that such an unconscious entity must possess consciousness — otherwise, the spacelessness and timelessness of light cannot be explained in any way.</p> <p>So there's no need for atheists to worry about proving God's existence. They can simply go on spreading the same falsehood — that "God-hypothesis does not predict anything."1</p> <p>Footnote:<br /> 1. Translated from Bengali with the help of ChatGPT.</p> </div></div></div><div class="field field-name-field-tags field-type-taxonomy-term-reference field-label-above clearfix"><h3 class="field-label">Tags: </h3><ul class="links"><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-0" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/123" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">God</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-1" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/161" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Scientists</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-2" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/345" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">ChatGPT</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-3" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/53" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">space</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-4" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/54" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">time</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-5" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/109" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Spacelessness</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-6" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/110" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Timelessness</a></li></ul></div> Wed, 21 May 2025 12:42:01 +0000 Himangsu Sekhar Pal 604 at /?q=node/604#comments Atheist now sees ghost of god everywhere /?q=node/567 <div class="field field-name-body field-type-text-with-summary field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even" property="content:encoded"><p>"If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him." – Voltaire</p> <p>"A Boss in Heaven is the best excuse for a boss on earth; therefore if God did exist, he would have to be abolished.” - Mikhail Bakunin</p> <p>God cannot be so easily abolished, because even an atheist is now seeing god where there is no mention of god. Below is the story:</p> <p> Athiest1</p> <p>I like how you pick apart the idea of timelessness and spacelessness. In the future, however, I think you could get a lot of further traction by pointing out how space and time are not even separate entities unto themselves. General relativity is very clear that space and time are linked into a single entity called spacetime. We also know that the nature of spacetime is not very well understood, and that there are all sorts of wacky things it could transform into or causally derive from---especially in the realm of ultra high energy and density like the Big Bang. So whenever these Christians speak of the universe just popping into existence, they are demonstrating very clearly that they simply don't understand the fundamental nature of spacetime and causality.</p> <p>Me to Athiest1</p> <p>Do you know one thing? Scientists who are working with the quantum theory of gravity are now saying unanimously that space and time are not fundamental entities at all, but epiphenomena arising from other yet more fundamental entities. Even string theorists are also saying the same thing that space and time are not fundamental. Below are some relevant quotes: </p> <p>1) While different approaches to quantum gravity are often based on rather different physical principles, many of them share an important suggestion: that in some way spacetime as we find it in our existing theories is not a fundamental ingredient of the world, but instead, like rainbows, plants or people, `emerges' from some deeper, non-spatiotemporal physics. What replaces spacetime and what aspects of spacetime remain in the ontology of fundamental physics differs, as one would expect, from approach to approach. But the idea that the universe and its material content might not, at bottom, be `in' space and time, that these seemingly fundamental ingredients are just appearances of something more fundamental, would, if borne out, shatter our conception of the universe as profoundly as any scientific revolution before.<br /> - The emergence of spacetime in quantum theories of gravity by Nick Huggett and Christian Wuthrich_ </p> <p>2) Nobel Laureate David Gross observed, “Everyone in string theory is convinced...that spacetime is doomed. But we don't know what it's replaced by.” Fields medalist Edward Witten also thought that space and time may be “doomed.” Nathan Seiberg of the Institute for Advanced Study at Princeton said, "I am almost certain that space and time are illusions. These are primitive notions that will be replaced by something more sophisticated."<br /> - Donald D. Hoffman in The Abdication Of Space-Time (Edge.org) </p> <p>3) “There aren’t many things in quantum gravity that everyone agrees on,” says Eleanor Knox, a philosopher at King’s College London who specializes in the philosophy of physics. “Yet the one thing many people seemed to agree on in quantum gravity was that we were going to have to cope with space and time not being fundamental.”<br /> - Are Space and Time Fundamental? – The nature of reality - PBS by Kate Becker, Mar 2012 </p> <p>Now what would be the consequences if space and time are not fundamental but emergent? Here are some thoughts: </p> <p>That space and time are emergent would have at least two implications. It would imply that those fundamental entities from which space and time have emerged cannot be within any space and time and it would also imply that they cannot be material. They cannot be within any space and time simply because space and time have emerged from them and therefore there was no space and time prior to the emergence of space and time. Thus they would be spaceless and timeless. However scientists are not describing these fundamental entities as spaceless and timeless, they are describing them as non-spatiotemporal. In whichever way they are described, the truth remains the same: those fundamental entities from which space and time have emerged cannot be within any space and time. Being thus spaceless and timeless (or non-spatiotemporal) they would also be immaterial. This is because GR has shown that space, time and matter are so interlinked that when there would be matter, there would be space and time as well. So, if those fundamental entities were material, then there would also be space and time along with those material entities. In that case there would already be space and time prior to the emergence of space and time, which would be an absurdity. </p> <p>That means the fundamental entities from which spacetime has emerged were spaceless, timeless and immaterial. However it can be shown that only one entity be there in spaceless and timeless condition which would further mean that spacetime has emerged from one single entity only that was spaceless, timeless (or, non-spatiotemporal) and immaterial.</p> <p>Atheist2 to Me</p> <p>"That means the fundamental entities from which spacetime has emerged were spaceless, timeless and immaterial. However it can be shown that only one entity be there in spaceless and timeless condition which would further mean that spacetime has emerged from one single entity only that was spaceless, timeless (or, non-spatiotemporal) and immaterial." </p> <p>Lol. xxxxxxx bullshit</p> <p>Me to Atheist2</p> <p>It is not me but the scientists working with the quantum theory of gravity who are saying that spacetime is not fundamental but emergent. If spacetime is not fundamental but emergent, then that will mean that there is something more fundamental than space-time from which space-time has emerged. This something more fundamental than space-time cannot be within any space-time because there cannot be any space-time prior to the emergence of space-time. This is nothing but simple common sense. </p> <p>Being not within any space-time it cannot be material, because GR forbids it. </p> <p>So, do you lack simple common sense and are you also anti-science that my argument appears to you as xxxxxxx bullshit?</p> <p>Atheist3 to Me</p> <p>I think he's upset because your confirmation bias is showing. </p> <p>You've skipped over this key part: "What replaces spacetime and what aspects of spacetime remain in the ontology of fundamental physics differs, as one would expect, from approach to approach." </p> <p>You want to see it as fitting the definition of your god, but that's not what they're saying. They're saying there's something 'below' our universe that has its own manifestation of energy. They're saying it is not OUR universe, but it still has laws nonetheless, only these laws dictate the manifestation of energy into universes. </p> <p>It is by no means evidence of a creator. If you did not intend to imply that, my apologies, but the correlation seemed strong.</p> <p>Atheist2 to Me </p> <p>"If spacetime is not fundamental but emergent, then that will mean that there is something more fundamental than space-time from which space-time has emerged" Citation xxxxxxx needed. Religious bullshit all over.</p> <p>Me to Atheist3 </p> <p>You have written: "You want to see it as fitting the definition of your god, but that's not what they are saying." </p> <p>You have also written: "It is by no means evidence of a creator." </p> <p>Can you show by any direct quote where I have mentioned god or a creator in my first comment? So, from where have you brought all these entities and accusing me unnecessarily? </p> <p>In my comment I have only tried to show what would be the logical consequences if spacetime is not fundamental but emergent. If my analysis appears to someone as xxxxxxx religious bullshit, then I will say 21st century physics is xxxxxxx religious bullshit that says that we will have to abandon the notion that spacetime is fundamental.</p> <p>Atheist3 to Me </p> <p>You said, "...spacetime has emerged from one single entity only that was spaceless, timeless (or, non-spatiotemporal) and immaterial." This is a common definition for a christian god.</p> <p>Me to Atheist3</p> <p>But the Christian God has got consciousness. Have I written in my comment that the entity from which space-time has emerged is a conscious entity?</p> <p>Atheist3 to Me </p> <p>As I stated before, if you did not mean to imply that, my apologies. You've asked for a reason for my interpretation of your intent, and I gave it to you. Maybe you can grow from this by understanding how other people may interpret your communications, and shape them accordingly.</p> <p>Me to Atheist3 </p> <p>It is okay. </p> <p>However I want to say one thing here. Actually theistic belief has two parts. In one part theists hold that life, mind and consciousness were already there before the beginning of the universe, because before the beginning there was God and God is life, mind and consciousness itself. In the second part they hold that there was no space and time before the beginning, because before the beginning there was God and that God is spaceless and timeless. So as per the theistic belief life, mind and consciousness are fundamental, because they were already there before the beginning of anything, but space and time are not, because there was no space and time before the beginning. Up till now scientists have refused to acknowledge the first part of the theistic belief as true and they still hold that life, mind and consciousness are emergent entities only. But forced by the circumstances they have been driven to the conclusion that the second part of the theistic belief is essentially true, that space and time are not fundamental, but emergent only. </p> <p>That is the reason as to why my final conclusion appears to you so similar to the definition of the theistic god. </p> <p>Here the story ends.</p> <p>Now we can say that the new physics of emergent spacetime has given such a marvelous twist to the ultimate reality that even an atheist now mistakes it for God.</p> </div></div></div><div class="field field-name-field-tags field-type-taxonomy-term-reference field-label-above clearfix"><h3 class="field-label">Tags: </h3><ul class="links"><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-0" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/123" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">God</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-1" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/53" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">space</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-2" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/54" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">time</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-3" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/109" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Spacelessness</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-4" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/110" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Timelessness</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-5" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/280" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Voltaire</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-6" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/281" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Bakunin</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-7" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/274" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Nick Huggett</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-8" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/282" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Christian Wuthrich</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-9" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/270" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">David Gross</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-10" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/271" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Edward Witten</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-11" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/272" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Nathan Seiberg</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-12" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/273" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Donald D. Hoffman</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-13" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/279" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Kate Becker</a></li></ul></div> Fri, 07 Sep 2018 04:28:38 +0000 Himangsu Sekhar Pal 567 at /?q=node/567#comments Is Multiverse Real? /?q=node/566 <div class="field field-name-body field-type-text-with-summary field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even" property="content:encoded"><p>In one YouTube presentation the question discussed was whether Atheism was Impervious to Evidence. The following thread is from that presentation. </p> <p>Atheist1 </p> <p>No, atheism is not impervious to evidence. All you have to do is provide evidence for a god, to date nobody has done that, not even once. There has never been any testable, falsifiable, repeatable, demonstrable, concrete, independently verifiable evidence presented for any deity ever.</p> <p> Me to Atheist1 </p> <p>Do you know one thing? Scientists who are working with the quantum theory of gravity are now saying unanimously that space and time are not fundamental entities at all, but epiphenomena arising from other yet more fundamental entities. Even string theorists are also saying the same thing that space and time are not fundamental. Below are some relevant quotes: </p> <p>1) While different approaches to quantum gravity are often based on rather different physical principles, many of them share an important suggestion: that in some way spacetime as we find it in our existing theories is not a fundamental ingredient of the world, but instead, like rainbows, plants or people, `emerges' from some deeper, non-spatiotemporal physics. What replaces spacetime and what aspects of spacetime remain in the ontology of fundamental physics differs, as one would expect, from approach to approach. But the idea that the universe and its material content might not, at bottom, be `in' space and time, that these seemingly fundamental ingredients are just appearances of something more fundamental, would, if borne out, shatter our conception of the universe as profoundly as any scientific revolution before.<br /> - The emergence of spacetime in quantum theories of gravity by Nick Huggett and Christian Wuthrich_ </p> <p>2) Nobel Laureate David Gross observed, “Everyone in string theory is convinced...that spacetime is doomed. But we don't know what it's replaced by.” Fields medalist Edward Witten also thought that space and time may be “doomed.” Nathan Seiberg of the Institute for Advanced Study at Princeton said, "I am almost certain that space and time are illusions. These are primitive notions that will be replaced by something more sophisticated."<br /> - Donald D. Hoffman in The Abdication Of Space-Time (Edge.org) </p> <p>3) “If there were a dividing line between the quantum and the classical worlds, we could use the space and time of the classical world to provide a framework for describing quantum processes. But without such a dividing line—and, indeed, with¬out a truly classical world—we lose this framework. We must ex¬plain space and time as somehow emerging from fundamental¬ly spaceless and timeless physics. </p> <p>“That insight, in turn, may help us reconcile quantum physics with that other great pillar of physics, Einstein’s general theory of relativity, which describes the force of gravity in terms of the geometry of spacetime. General relativity assumes that objects have well-defined positions and never reside in more than one place at the same time—in direct contradiction with quantum physics. Many physicists, such as Stephen Hawking of the Uni¬versity of Cambridge, think that relativity theory must give way to a deeper theory in which space and time do not exist. Classi¬cal spacetime emerges out of quantum entanglements through the process of decoherence.”<br /> - Vlatko Vedral, Living in a quantum world, Scientific American, June 2011 </p> <p>4) “There aren’t many things in quantum gravity that everyone agrees on,” says Eleanor Knox, a philosopher at King’s College London who specializes in the philosophy of physics. “Yet the one thing many people seemed to agree on in quantum gravity was that we were going to have to cope with space and time not being fundamental.”<br /> - Are Space and Time Fundamental? – The nature of reality - PBS by Kate Becker, Mar 2012 </p> <p>Now what would be the consequences if space and time are not fundamental but emergent? Here are some thoughts: </p> <p>That space and time are emergent would have at least two implications. It would imply that those fundamental entities from which space and time have emerged cannot be within any space and time and it would also imply that they cannot be material. They cannot be within any space and time simply because space and time have emerged from them and therefore there was no space and time prior to the emergence of space and time. Thus they would be spaceless and timeless. However scientists are not describing these fundamental entities as spaceless and timeless, they are describing them as non-spatiotemporal. In whichever way they are described, the truth remains the same: those fundamental entities from which space and time have emerged cannot be within any space and time. Being thus spaceless and timeless (or non-spatiotemporal) they would also be immaterial. This is because GR has shown that space, time and matter are so interlinked that when there would be matter, there would be space and time as well. So, if those fundamental entities were material, then there would also be space and time along with those material entities. In that case there would already be space and time prior to the emergence of space and time, which would be an absurdity. That means the fundamental entities from which spacetime has emerged were spaceless, timeless and immaterial. However it can be shown that only one entity be there in spaceless and timeless condition which would further mean that spacetime has emerged from one single entity only that is spaceless, timeless (or non-spatiotemporal) and immaterial. </p> <p>Theistic belief has two parts. In one part theists hold that life, mind and consciousness were already there before the beginning of the universe, because before the beginning there was God and God is life, mind and consciousness itself. In the second part they hold that there was no space and time before the beginning, because before the beginning there was God and that God is spaceless and timeless. So as per the theistic belief life, mind and consciousness are fundamental, because they were already there before the beginning of anything, but space and time are not, because there was no space and time before the beginning. Up till now scientists have refused to acknowledge the first part of the theistic belief as true and they still hold that life, mind and consciousness are emergent entities only. But forced by the circumstances they have been driven to the conclusion that the second part of the theistic belief is essentially true, that space and time are not fundamental, but emergent only. </p> <p>It may so happen that within some fifty or hundred years from now on scientists will be again driven to the conclusion, and this time also they will be forced by the circumstances only, that life, mind and consciousness are indeed fundamental and not emergent. However, only time can tell whether that will really happen or not.</p> <p>Atheist2<br /> "Do you know one thing"<br /> I can tell you one thing: the claim you make following that is bunk.</p> <p>Me to Atheist2<br /> Once scientists have admitted that spacetime is not fundamental but emergent, now atheists can no longer hold their position without denouncing science. And here you have just done that which is expected from a dogmatic atheist.</p> <p>Atheist1 to Me</p> <p>"Once scientists have admitted that spacetime is not fundamental but emergent, now atheists can no longer hold their position without denouncing science." </p> <p>The only atheist position there is is clear in the word "atheism" it's self. That is we are without theism, "A" - without, "theism" - a belief in the existence of a god or gods, specifically of a creator who intervenes in the universe. We lack a god belief and/or we lack a conviction in the existence in any deities whatsoever, it's nothing more than that. Explain to me how your claim that scientists "admitted that spacetime is not fundamental but emergent" makes it so atheist denounce science by stating we don't have a god belief? Explain to me the logic in that.</p> <p>Me to Atheist1 </p> <p>It is not that there is only one reason due to which atheists have a lack of belief in the existence of god/gods; there are several reasons. Out of these several reasons two reasons are that as per atheists nothing can be spaceless and timeless and that nothing can be immaterial. Atheists can no longer deny the existence of god/gods on the basis of these two reasons without denouncing science. The case is closed for them forever. </p> <p>However there are other reasons also. Does the universe need any god? No, because everything in the universe, including its origin also, can be explained by natural means without invoking any kind of god/gods. At least this has been claimed by the atheistic scientists in general. But this is not true. There are some controversial cases also. Two such cases are origin of the universe and fine-tuning problem. </p> <p>Here atheists will say that fine-tuning problem is not at all a problem, because eternal inflation would give rise to infinite number of universes and fine-tuning problem can be solved very easily with multiverse hypothesis. But two scientists have raised serious doubt about the efficacy of multiverse hypothesis for solving the fine-tuning problem. </p> <p>Ethan Siegel in his article Yes, The Multiverse Is Real, But It Won't Fix Physics1 has written that ‘If cosmic inflation, General Relativity, and quantum field theory are all correct, the Multiverse likely is real, and we're living in it.’ But he has also added this reminder that ‘Just don't expect it to solve your most burning questions about the Universe. For that, you need physics you can put to an experimental or observable test. Until that day arrives, the consequences of a Multiverse will likely remain in the realm of science fiction: where they presently belong…The Multiverse is real, but provides the answer to absolutely nothing.’ </p> <p>But Hyun Seok Yang in his article Emergent Spacetime: Reality or Illusion?2 is more radical in his approach than Ethan Siegel, because as per him there would be no multiverse at all even if there would be inflation. Inflation theory was developed based on the assumption that spacetime was fundamental. But in case of emergent spacetime there would be no eternal inflation and so, there would be no multiverse. </p> <p>If multiverse is gone forever due to emergent spacetime, how will the scientists solve the fine-tuning problem without invoking some sort of intelligence behind the beginning of everything? </p> <p>And what will the atheists do then? Will they still cling to the multiverse hypothesis by denouncing science? </p> <p>Atheist1 to Me </p> <p>"It is not that there is only one reason due to which atheists have a lack of belief in the existence of god/gods; there are several reasons." </p> <p>Well if you actually comprehended my comment I spoke of atheists positions, not reasons. The position being "That is we are without theism, "A" - without, "theism" - a belief in the existence of a god or gods, specifically of a creator who intervenes in the universe." But since you mention it there IS only one reason, it would be the fact that atheists lack a conviction in God because of insufficient evidence. If you were to PROVE the existence of gods beyond a shadow of a doubt to an atheist then they wouldn't be an atheist anymore because belief isn't a choice. </p> <p>The claim that you make that atheists can no longer lack the conviction in god or gods without denouncing science on the basis that "scientists have admitted that spacetime is not fundamental but emergent" or that our universe is finely tuned is an unbridled and incredibly obvious logical fallacy. Nothing about these two claims PROVE definitively or uncover or point to or even suggest or hint in the slightest to the existence of a god or gods AT ALL, zero, nothing, nada. I challenge you to find me one legitimate piece of scientific literature that is peer reviewed and that is testable, repeatable, falsifiable, independently verifiable and has been published in a reputable scientific journal that states that deities are real, just one. Until you do so you're nothing but a snake oil salesman making logical fallacies, misrepresenting legitimate science and jumping to moronic conclusions to fit your agenda. I state this one more time, show me one piece of peer reviewed, scientific literature proving gods are real. I'll spoil it for you now, you will not be successful.</p> <p>Me to Atheist1 </p> <p>Suppose I put some simple questions to you. Will you please answer those questions? </p> <p>My first question will be: if there has never been any unicorn on this Earth, then should science give any evidence in support of its existence?</p> <p>Atheist1 to Me</p> <p>Science has never given evidence of unicorns or Gods/deities because there is no evidence for either. What you presented and asserted was evidence for deities a WAS NOT EVIDENCE FOR DEITIES. Stop wasting my time with nonsense. Now I will ask you show me peer reviewed scientific literature of testable, falsifiable, repeatable, demonstrable, concrete, independently verifiable evidence of god published in a scientific journal. Can you do that?? No? Then you have no evidence for god and you have no reason to believe. Now go away and stop wasting my time.</p> <p>Me to Atheist1 </p> <p>Do you have a nervous breakdown? Are you having a previous history of hysteria? Otherwise why such a violent reaction against a very simple question from my side?</p> <p>You have asked about some peer-reviewed evidence for God. May I ask you one question here? Are you still in your infancy that you require constant spoon-feeding from the peers? </p> <p>Do you know one bitter truth about these peers? These peers are very good in physics, but at the same time they are very bad in philosophy; actually they are some coarse-headed bad logicians. That is why they have taken more than hundred years of time for arriving at a conclusion that they could have arrived at very easily almost hundred years earlier when Einstein has proposed his special theory of relativity. In SR it has been shown that at the speed of light time totally stops and that even infinite distance becomes zero for light. The first one is the scientific explanation for timelessness and the second one is the same for spacelessness. As God has been called spaceless and timeless for thousands of years, so here either science was flawed, or if science could not be flawed, then definitely there was something objectively real in man’s imagination of God; God could not be purely imaginary. If they have argued like that at that time, then they could have very easily come to the conclusion that even if there was no God, still there was something spaceless and timeless in the universe for which SR had provided requisite explanation. So they could have said the same thing hundred years earlier what they are saying now that there is something non-spatiotemporal in the universe. </p> <p>And you want to depend on these peers for scientific proof of God! I am telling you very frankly that as they have taken almost hundred years for coming to such a simple conclusion, so they will take another hundred or two hundred years for coming to the conclusion that life, mind and consciousness are indeed fundamental and not emergent.</p> <p>Reference:<br /> 1. <a href=" /> 2. <a href="; </div></div></div><div class="field field-name-field-tags field-type-taxonomy-term-reference field-label-above clearfix"><h3 class="field-label">Tags: </h3><ul class="links"><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-0" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/113" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Universe</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-1" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/157" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Multiverse</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-2" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/53" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">space</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-3" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/54" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">time</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-4" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/109" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Spacelessness</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-5" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/110" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Timelessness</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-6" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/168" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Einstein</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-7" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/270" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">David Gross</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-8" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/271" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Edward Witten</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-9" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/272" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Nathan Seiberg</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-10" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/273" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Donald D. Hoffman</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-11" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/274" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Nick Huggett</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-12" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/275" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Christian Wutrich</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-13" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/96" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Stephen Hawking</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-14" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/276" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Vlatko Vedral</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-15" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/277" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Ethan Siegel</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-16" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/278" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Hyun Seok Yang</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-17" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/279" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Kate Becker</a></li></ul></div> Tue, 31 Jul 2018 06:56:51 +0000 Himangsu Sekhar Pal 566 at /?q=node/566#comments Which God? /?q=node/557 <div class="field field-name-body field-type-text-with-summary field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even" property="content:encoded"><p>In one YouTube comment thread an atheist has asked this question: 'Which god? I like Zeus... Can I study his word as the one and only truth? Odds are he's as right as Yahweh is or Allah or Odin or Shiva or Osiris or... You get the point' </p> <p>So the most crucial question is: which god? Because there are thousands of gods which man has imagined so far. Out of so many gods, which one is the true god? </p> <p>Actually there can be only one true God, a God who has created the universe. The answer is as simple as that. </p> <p>But how do we come to know that out of these thousands of gods which particular god has actually created the universe?</p> <p>There is an easy way out. First determine what will be the attributes of a creator god. Then find out which god out of these thousands of gods has these particular attributes of a creator god. Then that god will be the true god. </p> <p>So our next question will be: what are the attributes of this creator God? </p> <p>Anybody can find out what will be the attributes of this creator God if he/she is intelligent enough and if he/she can use his/her brain and logic properly. </p> <p>Here no spoon-feeding from the big peers is required at all. One's own intelligence is sufficient for this purpose. </p> <p>Universe has been created by God. </p> <p>Universe primarily means its space, time, matter and energy. </p> <p>So universe created by God will mean its space, time, matter and energy has been created by God. </p> <p>That will further mean that before creation by God there was no space, no time, no matter and no energy. </p> <p>That will again mean that before creation God was in no space and time and that God did not contain any matter and energy. </p> <p>That is the reason as to why theists always describe their God as spaceless, timeless and immaterial. </p> <p>So a creator God will always be spaceless, timeless and immaterial, because this is the one and the only one logically possible consequence of being the creator of a universe. </p> <p>Now let us ask ourselves this question: have Zeus, Ganesha, Poseidon, Santa, Easter Bunny, Odin, Thor, Shiva, Appollo, Osiris or any other mythical gods that we can think of, ever been described as spaceless, timeless and immaterial? </p> <p>If not, then none of these mythical gods can qualify himself as a probable candidate for the post of this creator God, because logic dictates that a creator God will always be spaceless, timeless and immaterial. </p> <p>But God of almost all the major religions all over the world has been repeatedly described as spaceless and timeless. </p> <p>Actually spacelessness and timelessness are the two most common major attributes of God of the religions throughout the world. Mystics who claim that they have direct encounter with God have also described their God as spaceless and timeless. </p> <p>But where is the evidence that there is such a creator God?</p> <p>Scientists have also faithfully served the purpose of this creator God by showing as to how it is possible to be spaceless and timeless (SR), whereas they could also have shown just the opposite, that no one or nothing could be spaceless and timeless.</p> <p>Yes, they could also have shown that no one or nothing could be spaceless and timeless if it was the job of the scientists to manufacture truth.</p> <p>In that case they could have very easily falsified science and shown that no one or nothing could be spaceless and timeless.</p> <p>In that case all our arguments for a creator God would have stopped then and there.</p> <p>But it is not the job of the scientists to manufacture truth but to discover it. So they had to show what they were supposed to show: THE TRUTH AS IT IS.</p> <p>So they had to show how it is possible to be spaceless and timeless.</p> <p>Thus they have failed to suppress the truth that it is really possible to be spaceless and timeless. </p> <p>It is most important for us believers that science has failed to suppress the truth that it is possible to be spaceless and timeless.</p> <p>[Here, am I not insulting the whole scientific community by suggesting that they can even think of suppressing any scientific truth? </p> <p>No, hereby I am merely uttering one bitter truth about some modern day scientists who so vehemently deny the existence of God that practically nothing is impossible for them, not even suppressing some scientific truth that may eventually point to a creator God.]</p> <p>By showing how it is possible to be spaceless and timeless, science has actually given its validation to our concept of a spaceless and timeless God. It has indirectly said here that from the scientific point of view it is not impossible for someone to be spaceless and timeless. </p> <p>Logic dictates that a creator God will always be spaceless and timeless and science has also given its full support to this logical conclusion by showing as to how it is possible to be spaceless and timeless. </p> <p>Thus both logic and science converge here and point to a single entity: creator God. </p> <p>Based on this fact alone it can safely be said that mathematics of SR points to a creator God whose two major attributes are his spacelessness and timelessness. </p> <p>If atheists deny the existence of this spaceless and timeless God, then they will have to answer this question: if no one or nothing in this universe is spaceless and timeless, then why was it necessary for science to show as to how it is possible to be spaceless and timeless?</p> <p>When I have pointed out to some atheists that God is called spaceless and timeless and that in SR science has also shown how it is possible to be spaceless and timeless, they have desperately tried to falsify science. One can go through the below links to see it oneself: </p> <p><a href="; <p> <a href="; <p><a href="; <p>The above tells us a lot about the mind-set of the atheists.</p> </div></div></div><div class="field field-name-field-tags field-type-taxonomy-term-reference field-label-above clearfix"><h3 class="field-label">Tags: </h3><ul class="links"><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-0" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/123" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">God</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-1" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/113" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Universe</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-2" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/243" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Allah</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-3" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/244" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Zeus</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-4" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/245" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Odin</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-5" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/246" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Thor</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-6" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/247" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Appollo</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-7" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/248" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Osiris</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-8" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/249" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Ra</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-9" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/250" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Ganesha</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-10" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/217" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Shiva</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-11" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/251" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Poseidon</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-12" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/252" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Santa</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-13" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/253" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Easter Bunny</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-14" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/121" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Spaceless</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-15" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/109" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Spacelessness</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-16" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/122" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Timeless</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-17" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/110" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Timelessness</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-18" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/149" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Immaterial</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-19" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/143" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Mystics</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-20" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/161" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Scientists</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-21" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/160" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Atheists</a></li></ul></div> Wed, 14 Jun 2017 05:34:45 +0000 Himangsu Sekhar Pal 557 at /?q=node/557#comments How Atheists Suppress Their Opponent’s Voice /?q=node/553 <div class="field field-name-body field-type-text-with-summary field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even" property="content:encoded"><p>In an earlier article1 I have shown how an atheist tries to suppress his opponent’s voice. Recently I have come across another instance of this. </p> <p>In one YouTube video comment section one person has written that theists are hilarious because they demand evidence for a multiverse, although they cannot provide any evidence for their God. He has also written that at least multiverse has intensely strong mathematical support behind it. </p> <p>In reply I have to write to him that if multiverse has mathematical support behind it, then God also has mathematical support behind him, because two equations of SR have already shown how it is possible to be spaceless, timeless and immortal. I also write to him that scientists are heavily biased and partial in their search for truth, because they consider multiverse as highly probable based on the mathematics of inflation theory, but these same scientists totally ignore God as probable, although there is mathematical support behind God also. </p> <p>Here comes another person saying that I am kidding and that there is no math that even hints at the existence of my particular God and that a fair amount of shoehorning is going on there.</p> <p>As he has commented that there is no math that hints at the existence of my particular God, so I have to explain to him in detail that the two equations of SR shows how it is possible to be spaceless and timeless. As God is called spaceless and timeless and as SR has also shown how a state of spacelessness and timelessness can obtain, so from this it can be said that mathematics of SR suggests it is highly probable there is a God.</p> <p>But this fails to convince him and he sticks to his opinion that I am shoehorning God into science. He also says that if I claim the probable existence of my God in this way, then in a similar way one can also claim the probable existence of other gods like the Greek Primordial Entity Chaos or the Hindu gods Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva, or the Egyptian god Atum, any of which could be this Universe's creator instead of my particular God. </p> <p>So I have to write to him that in the whole history of mankind only one God has been described as spaceless and timeless and that this God is the traditional God of almost all the religions all over the world. I also mention that even mystics have described their God as spaceless and timeless. I also write to him that if one wants to put all the other mythical gods in the same bracket with this traditional God, then one will definitely be mistaken. I also request him to mention one single god other than the traditional God of the religions who has been described as spaceless and timeless.</p> <p>But he does not comply. Rather he asks me to point to the text in my Bible that contains the terms 'timeless' and 'spaceless'. </p> <p>Below are the two replies of mine that have been deleted:</p> <p>Reply one: Perhaps you are not much educated. That is why you think that every person who believes in God is a Christian and that the Bible is his/her religious text. I am a Hindu, but I do not depend on any religious text for my belief. </p> <p>Here is a quote from Dr. William Lane Craig who is well known as a Christian apologist and a good debater: </p> <p>“And then on the rest of the page it’s fairly obvious how I deduce the remainder of these attributes which form the central core of the theistic notion of God: a personal Creator, uncaused, beginningless, changeless, immaterial, timeless, spaceless, enormously powerful, and intelligent. In the words of Thomas Aquinas, this is what everybody means by God.”1 </p> <p>Ref:<br /> 1. <a href="; </p> <p>In the above quote it has been mentioned that God is spaceless and timeless.</p> <p>Reply 2: You can also read the book ‘Mysticism and Philosophy’ by W. T. Stace, Chapter 2, Section 11: Conclusions, pages 131-132, by google search. </p> <p>Ref: WT Stace: Mysticism and Philosophy-wudhi.com</p> <p>As the above two replies of mine have been deleted, so the impression one will get after going through the whole dialogue is that I have failed to establish my point because I could not produce the required text from the Bible which will further imply that the atheist has the last laugh here.</p> <p>The truth is that atheists cannot reconcile themselves to the fact that one scientific theory (SR) has shown how it is possible to be spaceless and timeless and that at the same time religions have also described their God as spaceless and timeless. So either they try to show that SR is not a valid scientific theory2, or they try to show that mystics’ timelessness and scientists’ timelessness are not the same3, or when they cannot do anything of these, they directly suppress their opponent’s voice.</p> <p>Reference:<br /> 1. <a href=" /> 2. <a href=" /> 3. <a href="; </div></div></div><div class="field field-name-field-tags field-type-taxonomy-term-reference field-label-above clearfix"><h3 class="field-label">Tags: </h3><ul class="links"><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-0" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/123" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">God</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-1" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/121" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Spaceless</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-2" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/122" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Timeless</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-3" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/148" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Immortal</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-4" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/208" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Uncaused</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-5" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/209" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Beginningless</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-6" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/147" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Changeless</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-7" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/149" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Immaterial</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-8" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/210" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Intelligent</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-9" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/109&q


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11Prompt - Scientists /?q=taxonomy/term/161 en A Falsehood spread about God /?q=node/604 <div class="field field-name-body field-type-text-with-summary field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even" property="content:encoded"><p>For many years, scientists have been propagating a falsehood about God. That falsehood is as follows: "The God-hypothesis does not predict anything that can be tested," or "The God-hypothesis does not have any observational consequences."</p> <p>But I showed back in 2001 that this is entirely false. I demonstrated that the God-hypothesis can predict something that has been tested and verified. I showed that if, at the very beginning of the universe, there existed a spaceless and timeless entity (God has always been described this way), then due to the presence of such a spaceless and timeless being, the values of space and time must necessarily be relative — and science has indeed shown that the values of space and time are relative.</p> <p>Because God is spaceless and timeless, the values of space and time in relation to God are absolutely zero. But in all other cases, the values of space and time are non-zero. Therefore, the values of space and time must be relative.</p> <p>However, this cannot be considered definitive proof of God's existence, because God's consciousness cannot be proven in this way. Even if, instead of God, there existed a spaceless and timeless unconscious entity, the values of space and time would still be relative.</p> <p>Scientists who are working on quantum gravity are now saying that space and time cannot be fundamental — they are emergent. If scientists ultimately conclude that space-time is emergent, it would mean that the source from which space-time emerged cannot itself be located within space-time, since space-time did not exist before its own emergence.</p> <p>And since nothing can exist without space-time, the source from which space-time originated can be identified as the root of all existence — and that source must be spaceless and timeless. Although scientists are not calling it "spaceless and timeless"; instead, they are calling it non-spatiotemporal.</p> <p>If scientists continue down the path they are currently on, they will eventually arrive not at a spaceless and timeless conscious being at the beginning of the universe, but rather at a non-spatiotemporal unconscious entity.</p> <p>However, I showed as early as 2012 that such an unconscious entity must possess consciousness — otherwise, the spacelessness and timelessness of light cannot be explained in any way.</p> <p>So there's no need for atheists to worry about proving God's existence. They can simply go on spreading the same falsehood — that "God-hypothesis does not predict anything."1</p> <p>Footnote:<br /> 1. Translated from Bengali with the help of ChatGPT.</p> </div></div></div><div class="field field-name-field-tags field-type-taxonomy-term-reference field-label-above clearfix"><h3 class="field-label">Tags: </h3><ul class="links"><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-0" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/123" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">God</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-1" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/161" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Scientists</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-2" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/345" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">ChatGPT</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-3" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/53" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">space</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-4" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/54" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">time</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-5" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/109" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Spacelessness</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-6" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/110" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Timelessness</a></li></ul></div> Wed, 21 May 2025 12:42:01 +0000 Himangsu Sekhar Pal 604 at /?q=node/604#comments Our universe is multi-layered and God can reside in it at some deeper layer /?q=node/578 <div class="field field-name-body field-type-text-with-summary field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even" property="content:encoded"><p>As theists frequently claim about God that he is outside space and time, so some atheists have mistakenly thought that this means God is outside the universe. As there is nothing outside the universe, so God does not exist.</p> <p>But this is not true. Repeated observations of the phenomenon of quantum entanglement have compelled the scientists to come to the conclusion that at some deeper layer in the universe there is no space and time. That is why the connection between two entangled particles is established instantaneously, defying all the space-time separation between the two.</p> <p>This shows that our universe is multi-layered. At its uppermost layer, there is spacetime; but at some deeper layer, there is no spacetime. The universe is spaceless and timeless at that layer.</p> <p>So, if this spaceless and timeless God is to be there at all, then he need not have to be outside the universe. He can very easily accommodate himself within some deeper layer of this universe. That is why God is also called all-pervading.</p> <p>So, our conclusion is this: our universe is multi-layered and God can reside in it at some deeper layer.</p> </div></div></div><div class="field field-name-field-tags field-type-taxonomy-term-reference field-label-above clearfix"><h3 class="field-label">Tags: </h3><ul class="links"><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-0" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/123" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">God</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-1" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/113" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Universe</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-2" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/196" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Theists</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-3" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/160" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Atheists</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-4" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/161" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Scientists</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-5" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/53" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">space</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-6" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/54" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">time</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-7" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/172" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Quantum Entanglement</a></li></ul></div> Tue, 03 Sep 2019 13:01:40 +0000 Himangsu Sekhar Pal 578 at /?q=node/578#comments Can the universe come from nothing if space-time is emergent? /?q=node/576 <div class="field field-name-body field-type-text-with-summary field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even" property="content:encoded"><p>Once scientists have come to the conclusion that space-time is not fundamental, but emergent, now many things will change in physics and cosmology. One such change is that cosmologists can no longer hold that the universe has originated from nothing.</p> <p>This is because an entity that is emergent cannot emerge from just anything or nothing; it can emerge from some particular entity or entities only. Those scientists who are saying that the universe can and will create itself from nothing because its total energy is zero and because there is a force such as gravity, are also saying along with it that space-time can also originate from nothing. So, here they are claiming that at the beginning of the universe space-time was fundamental because it had come straight from nothing, thus not requiring the prior presence of any particular entity/entities from which only it could emerge in case it was emergent. </p> <p>But, whatever knowledge scientists have acquired so far about the external world is from the present universe only. From the present universe, scientists have acquired this knowledge about space-time that it is not fundamental. So, if they now claim that at the beginning of the universe space-time was fundamental, then our questions to them will be these: From where have they acquired the knowledge that at the beginning of the universe space-time was fundamental? Is it from the present universe? Or, is it from some supernatural source? Or, is it their intuition? </p> <p>Have they themselves observed the universe directly coming from nothing? If not, then what is their source of knowledge that at the beginning of the universe space-time was fundamental? </p> <p>So, if they cannot give any evidence in support of their contention that at the beginning of the universe space-time was fundamental, then they have no justified reason to claim that the universe can originate from nothing because its total energy is zero. </p> <p>As there is no evidence that space-time was fundamental at the beginning of the universe, so the only reasonable conclusion that can be drawn from this is that it was emergent at the beginning also. As emergent space-time can only emerge from something spaceless, timeless and immaterial, so from this we can conclude that the universe has also originated from something that is spaceless, timeless and immaterial.</p> <p>Again, if an entity is emergent, then it cannot be the case that it was fundamental at one stage and then became emergent at a later stage by losing its fundamental nature. If it is emergent now, then earlier also it was emergent and in future also it will remain emergent. That means space-time was emergent at the beginning of the universe as well. As emergent space-time can only emerge from something that is spaceless, timeless and immaterial, so we stick to our earlier conclusion that the universe has also originated from something that is spaceless, timeless and immaterial.</p> </div></div></div><div class="field field-name-field-tags field-type-taxonomy-term-reference field-label-above clearfix"><h3 class="field-label">Tags: </h3><ul class="links"><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-0" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/113" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Universe</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-1" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/53" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">space</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-2" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/54" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">time</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-3" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/115" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">space-time</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-4" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/260" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Emergence</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-5" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/114" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">nothing</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-6" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/161" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Scientists</a></li></ul></div> Tue, 05 Mar 2019 08:38:14 +0000 Himangsu Sekhar Pal 576 at /?q=node/576#comments For the rest of the thing, we can wait /?q=node/575 <div class="field field-name-body field-type-text-with-summary field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even" property="content:encoded"><p>In reply to my comment that God is spaceless and timeless an atheist has written that existence is a function of time and space. If at no place and no time does 'god' exist, then 'he' does not exist. If I disagree, then I should present evidence for 'god.' </p> <p>In reply I have written to him this: </p> <p>Whatever exists within the universe exists within the space and time of the universe. But within which space and time does the universe as a whole exist? </p> <p>We know the universe is expanding. But when it is asked within which it is expanding, the reply we usually get from the cosmologists is that it is not expanding into anything, which means the universe as a whole is not embedded within any higher space and time. So the universe as a whole is not within any space and time. For that reason we do not say that the universe does not exist. </p> <p>If the universe can exist not being within any space and time, then God can also exist not being within any space and time. So he cannot dismiss God solely on this reason. He will have to provide some other better reason. </p> <p>But my reply does not convince him at all. He comments that I am unable to understand cosmology. Again he repeats the same argument that existence is a function of time and space, etc. He also writes that I have yet to demonstrate that anything can exist outside space and time. </p> <p>So again I have replied to him that from his last two comments it appears that he knows nothing about the new development in modern physics. That is why he does not know that all his concepts and thoughts about space and time have become obsolete and back-dated. </p> <p>Scientists working with the quantum theory of gravity are now saying that space and time are not fundamental and that they have emerged from some non-spatiotemporal entity. Not only they, but string theorists, causal set theorists as well as scientists working with loop quantum gravity are also saying the same thing that space and time are not fundamental. </p> <p>Non-spatiotemporal is a new scientific term for the old term spaceless and timeless. Instead of saying spaceless and timeless these scientists are now saying non-spatiotemporal. But the meaning remains the same; there is something non-spatiotemporal/spaceless and timeless in nature from which space and time have emerged. </p> <p>Yes, it is true that they have not yet acknowledged that this non-spatiotemporal entity (NSE) is a conscious entity, yet it is also true that they have ultimately acknowledged that there is something non-spatiotemporal/spaceless and timeless in nature. Thus all his objections about anything spaceless and timeless become null and void. </p> <p>It is not the job of the scientists to manufacture truth, but to discover it. So, if there is a spaceless and timeless being, then scientists will also discover it one day. Up till now they have discovered that there is one spaceless and timeless entity in nature.</p> <p>For the rest of the thing, we can wait. </p> <p>This time he poses these questions to me:</p> <p>1: Who said it's an entity?<br /> 2: Where is this timeless and spaceless being? I should show evidence for it.<br /> He also states that I should provide some evidence for my claims. </p> <p>So I again write to him that if he is fully convinced that he is in possession of truth, then he should be bold and courageous enough to face all those scientists who are now saying that space and time are not fundamental. So instead of posing these questions to me, he should directly pose them to those scientists. And he should also try to convince those errant scientists that they are all talking nonsense. </p> <p>But he disagrees and says that he is just waiting for me to back my claims. </p> <p>This time I reply to him that maybe he is lacking courage and conviction enough to directly confront those scientists, but that does not mean that his cowardice will be the determining factor as to why I will have to endorse his viewpoint here rather than that of the scientists. </p> <p>I also inform him that whatever may be the circumstances, I will always prefer to go with the scientists and not with an ordinary atheist like him. And I will try to understand why they are saying such things now: </p> <p>1) ...[T]he idea that the universe and its material content might not, at bottom, be `in' space and time, that these seemingly fundamental ingredients are just appearances of something more fundamental, would, if borne out, shatter our conception of the universe as profoundly as any scientific revolution before.<br /> - The emergence of spacetime in quantum theories of gravity by Nick Huggett and Christian Wuthric </p> <p>2) Nathan Seiberg of the Institute for Advanced Study at Princeton said, "I am almost certain that space and time are illusions. These are primitive notions that will be replaced by something more sophisticated." </p> <p>- Donald D. Hoffman in The Abdication Of Space-Time (Edge.org) </p> <p>3) Many physicists, such as Stephen Hawking of the University of Cambridge, think that relativity theory must give way to a deeper theory in which space and time do not exist. Classical spacetime emerges out of quantum entanglements through the process of decoherence.<br /> - Vlatko Vedral, Living in a quantum world, Scientific American, June 2011 </p> <p>4) Space (or spacetime) does not exist fundamentally: it emerges somehow from a more fundamental non-spatio-temporal structure. This intriguing claim appears in various approaches to quantum mechanics and quantum gravity.<br /> - Composing the World Out of Nowhere </p> <p>He replies that none of the above points to 'god.' Nor does it support my claims. Nor have I demonstrated that a 'god' could live there. Let alone does. </p> <p>What follows is my final reply to him:</p> <p>I thought that I would not make any further comment here, but his last comment compels me to change my decision.</p> <p>I do not know whether he has heard the name of Richard Carrier. He is an atheist. He has written somewhere that from logical point of view there is no reason as to why someone or something cannot move with a speed greater than that of light, but it is physically impossible. </p> <p>What does it mean? It means that by logic alone we cannot decide what is physically possible or not. For doing that we need experiment and observation. </p> <p>Similarly we can say by logic alone we cannot decide what is physically real or not. Here also we need experiment and observation. Let me give one example:</p> <p>‘Classical human reason, defined in terms of common sense notions following from our own myopic experience of reality is not sufficient to discern the workings of the Universe. If time begins at the big bang, then we will have to re-explore what we mean by causality, just as the fact that electrons can be in two places at the same time doing two different things at the same time as long as we are not measuring them is completely nonsensical, but true, and has required rethinking what we mean by particles.’<br /> (This is from an article by scientist Lawrence Krauss that he wrote after a debate between him and William Lane Craig and posted by P.Z.Myers in his Freethoughtblogs Pharyngula, dated April 5, 2011.) </p> <p>He is saying existence is a function of space and time. So, as per him for something to exist it must be within some space and time. But if he sticks to this principle up to the end, then he will find that he has been ultimately driven to an infinite regress.</p> <p>Let us start from the earth.</p> <p>Earth exists within the solar system. </p> <p>The solar system exists within the Milky Way galaxy. </p> <p>The Milky Way galaxy exists within the local cluster of galaxies. </p> <p>This cluster again exists within some super-cluster of galaxies. </p> <p>This super-cluster of galaxies exists within the universe. </p> <p>The universe exists within the multiverse.</p> <p>The multiverse exists within some super-multiverse. </p> <p>The super-multiverse exists within some super-duper multiverse.</p> <p>The super-duper multiverse exists within some supra-multiverse.</p> <p>The supra-multiverse exists within some supra-dupra multiverse.</p> <p>In this way we will have to go on up to infinity, because we cannot stop anywhere.</p> <p>Here everything will be within some space and time, but for that he will have to pay a heavy price; there will be an infinite regress.</p> <p>If he wants to stop this infinite regress, then he will have to stop somewhere in the middle. Let us say we stop at level X; this X might be the universe, or the multiverse, or the super-multiverse, or the super-duper multiverse, or any assembly beyond or higher than the last one. Whatever might be this X, it will not be within any space and time, because beyond it there will be absolutely nothing. This X will be the ultimate reality and this ultimate reality will be spaceless and timeless.</p> <p>So, here there are only two options:</p> <p>i) In one case everything will be within some space and time, but there will also be an infinite regress;</p> <p>ii) In the other case there will be no infinite regress, but here the ultimate reality will not be within any space and time.</p> <p>An infinite regress is generally avoided, because a never-ending chain of causes cannot ultimately produce anything. However it is up to him what he will do. </p> <p>Repeated observations of the phenomenon of quantum entanglement have compelled the scientists to come to the conclusion that at some deeper layer in the universe there is no space and time. That is why connection between two entangled particles is established instantaneously, defying all the space-time separation between the two. That is the reason as to why scientists are now saying just like the mystics that ‘space and time are illusions’ and that ‘the universe and its material content might not, at bottom, be `in' space and time’.</p> <p>He has written: </p> <p>‘[A]nd none of that points to 'god.' Nor does it support my claims. Nor have I demonstrated that a 'god' could live there. </p> <p>‘Let alone does.’</p> <p>While writing this he has forgotten what I have written in one of my earlier comments: </p> <p>‘It is not the job of the scientists to manufacture truth, but to discover it. So, if there is a spaceless and timeless being, then scientists will also discover it one day. Up till now they have discovered that there is one spaceless and timeless entity in nature. </p> <p>‘For the rest of the thing, we can wait.’ </p> <p>So, this is our final message to the atheistic community in general all over the world: </p> <p>If there is a spaceless and timeless God, then scientists will also discover it one day. This is because it is not the job of the scientists to manufacture truth but to discover it. Up till now they have discovered that there is something non-spatiotemporal in nature from which space-time has emerged. </p> <p>Scientists have been able to deliver this much up till now. For the rest of bags and baggage, we will wait.</p> </div></div></div><div class="field field-name-field-tags field-type-taxonomy-term-reference field-label-above clearfix"><h3 class="field-label">Tags: </h3><ul class="links"><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-0" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/123" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">God</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-1" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/53" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">space</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-2" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/54" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">time</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-3" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/292" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Spaceless and Timeless</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-4" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/269" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Non-spatiotemporal</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-5" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/293" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Cosmology</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-6" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/161" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Scientists</a></li></ul></div> Sun, 03 Mar 2019 06:05:01 +0000 Himangsu Sekhar Pal 575 at /?q=node/575#comments Zero-energy universe gives us one more reason for believing in the existence of God /?q=node/560 <div class="field field-name-body field-type-text-with-summary field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even" property="content:encoded"><p>Scientists have found that the total energy of the universe is zero. From there they have argued that the universe might have originated from nothing due to quantum energy fluctuation in a void, no God being needed for its creation. But I think zero-energy universe gives us one more reason for believing in the existence of God. </p> <p>If God is the creator, then he would be prior to the existence of space, time and matter. That is the reason we describe God as spaceless, timeless and immaterial. However one element is missing here: energy. God would be prior to the existence of energy also.</p> <p>God being prior to space, time, matter and energy would be neither space, nor time, nor matter, nor energy, but something beyond them. That means in God there can be neither any space, nor any time, nor any matter, nor any energy. </p> <p>If it is now true that energy can neither be created nor destroyed, then it would be true for God as well. This is because God being the law-giver we should not expect that God would break his own laws very frequently. So God would have to manage the entire creation event with zero energy.</p> <p>However if the universe is not created, then there is no reason as to why the universe as a whole cannot have total non-zero energy value. As some atheistic scientists claim that quantum laws were always there, so in a similar manner some sort of energy might have been always there. Universe would begin its life with that energy and it would also contain that much of energy as a whole.</p> <p>So, if the universe is created, then there would be at least one constraint due to which the universe can never have any energy, this constraint being God. In the other case there would be no such constraint and so the universe can freely have total non-zero energy.</p> <p>Here my questions are two:</p> <p>1) If quantum laws could have been always there, then why not energy?</p> <p>2) So, what are the compelling factors due to which even an uncreated universe cannot have total non-zero energy?</p> <p>Actually we can think of two different situations regarding the beginning of the universe:</p> <p>Situation 1: There would be no energy before the beginning. This would be the case if the universe is created by God. Here the universe would start from zero energy and therefore it makes sense that the total energy of the universe would always remain zero, because energy can neither be created nor destroyed.</p> <p>Situation 2: There would be energy before the beginning. This would be the case if the universe originated from a singularity. Here the universe would start from non-zero energy (energy contained in singularity) and therefore it does not make any sense that the total energy of the universe would remain zero in this case also.</p> </div></div></div><div class="field field-name-field-tags field-type-taxonomy-term-reference field-label-above clearfix"><h3 class="field-label">Tags: </h3><ul class="links"><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-0" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/123" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">God</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-1" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/113" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Universe</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-2" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/161" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Scientists</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-3" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/53" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">space</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-4" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/54" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">time</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-5" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/118" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Matter</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-6" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/104" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Energy</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-7" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/256" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Quantum energy fluctuation</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-8" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/63" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Creation</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-9" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/241" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Quantum Laws</a></li></ul></div> Thu, 18 Jan 2018 04:30:02 +0000 Himangsu Sekhar Pal 560 at /?q=node/560#comments Which God? /?q=node/557 <div class="field field-name-body field-type-text-with-summary field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even" property="content:encoded"><p>In one YouTube comment thread an atheist has asked this question: 'Which god? I like Zeus... Can I study his word as the one and only truth? Odds are he's as right as Yahweh is or Allah or Odin or Shiva or Osiris or... You get the point' </p> <p>So the most crucial question is: which god? Because there are thousands of gods which man has imagined so far. Out of so many gods, which one is the true god? </p> <p>Actually there can be only one true God, a God who has created the universe. The answer is as simple as that. </p> <p>But how do we come to know that out of these thousands of gods which particular god has actually created the universe?</p> <p>There is an easy way out. First determine what will be the attributes of a creator god. Then find out which god out of these thousands of gods has these particular attributes of a creator god. Then that god will be the true god. </p> <p>So our next question will be: what are the attributes of this creator God? </p> <p>Anybody can find out what will be the attributes of this creator God if he/she is intelligent enough and if he/she can use his/her brain and logic properly. </p> <p>Here no spoon-feeding from the big peers is required at all. One's own intelligence is sufficient for this purpose. </p> <p>Universe has been created by God. </p> <p>Universe primarily means its space, time, matter and energy. </p> <p>So universe created by God will mean its space, time, matter and energy has been created by God. </p> <p>That will further mean that before creation by God there was no space, no time, no matter and no energy. </p> <p>That will again mean that before creation God was in no space and time and that God did not contain any matter and energy. </p> <p>That is the reason as to why theists always describe their God as spaceless, timeless and immaterial. </p> <p>So a creator God will always be spaceless, timeless and immaterial, because this is the one and the only one logically possible consequence of being the creator of a universe. </p> <p>Now let us ask ourselves this question: have Zeus, Ganesha, Poseidon, Santa, Easter Bunny, Odin, Thor, Shiva, Appollo, Osiris or any other mythical gods that we can think of, ever been described as spaceless, timeless and immaterial? </p> <p>If not, then none of these mythical gods can qualify himself as a probable candidate for the post of this creator God, because logic dictates that a creator God will always be spaceless, timeless and immaterial. </p> <p>But God of almost all the major religions all over the world has been repeatedly described as spaceless and timeless. </p> <p>Actually spacelessness and timelessness are the two most common major attributes of God of the religions throughout the world. Mystics who claim that they have direct encounter with God have also described their God as spaceless and timeless. </p> <p>But where is the evidence that there is such a creator God?</p> <p>Scientists have also faithfully served the purpose of this creator God by showing as to how it is possible to be spaceless and timeless (SR), whereas they could also have shown just the opposite, that no one or nothing could be spaceless and timeless.</p> <p>Yes, they could also have shown that no one or nothing could be spaceless and timeless if it was the job of the scientists to manufacture truth.</p> <p>In that case they could have very easily falsified science and shown that no one or nothing could be spaceless and timeless.</p> <p>In that case all our arguments for a creator God would have stopped then and there.</p> <p>But it is not the job of the scientists to manufacture truth but to discover it. So they had to show what they were supposed to show: THE TRUTH AS IT IS.</p> <p>So they had to show how it is possible to be spaceless and timeless.</p> <p>Thus they have failed to suppress the truth that it is really possible to be spaceless and timeless. </p> <p>It is most important for us believers that science has failed to suppress the truth that it is possible to be spaceless and timeless.</p> <p>[Here, am I not insulting the whole scientific community by suggesting that they can even think of suppressing any scientific truth? </p> <p>No, hereby I am merely uttering one bitter truth about some modern day scientists who so vehemently deny the existence of God that practically nothing is impossible for them, not even suppressing some scientific truth that may eventually point to a creator God.]</p> <p>By showing how it is possible to be spaceless and timeless, science has actually given its validation to our concept of a spaceless and timeless God. It has indirectly said here that from the scientific point of view it is not impossible for someone to be spaceless and timeless. </p> <p>Logic dictates that a creator God will always be spaceless and timeless and science has also given its full support to this logical conclusion by showing as to how it is possible to be spaceless and timeless. </p> <p>Thus both logic and science converge here and point to a single entity: creator God. </p> <p>Based on this fact alone it can safely be said that mathematics of SR points to a creator God whose two major attributes are his spacelessness and timelessness. </p> <p>If atheists deny the existence of this spaceless and timeless God, then they will have to answer this question: if no one or nothing in this universe is spaceless and timeless, then why was it necessary for science to show as to how it is possible to be spaceless and timeless?</p> <p>When I have pointed out to some atheists that God is called spaceless and timeless and that in SR science has also shown how it is possible to be spaceless and timeless, they have desperately tried to falsify science. One can go through the below links to see it oneself: </p> <p><a href="; <p> <a href="; <p><a href="; <p>The above tells us a lot about the mind-set of the atheists.</p> </div></div></div><div class="field field-name-field-tags field-type-taxonomy-term-reference field-label-above clearfix"><h3 class="field-label">Tags: </h3><ul class="links"><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-0" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/123" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">God</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-1" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/113" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Universe</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-2" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/243" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Allah</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-3" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/244" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Zeus</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-4" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/245" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Odin</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-5" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/246" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Thor</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-6" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/247" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Appollo</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-7" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/248" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Osiris</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-8" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/249" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Ra</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-9" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/250" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Ganesha</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-10" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/217" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Shiva</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-11" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/251" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Poseidon</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-12" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/252" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Santa</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-13" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/253" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Easter Bunny</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-14" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/121" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Spaceless</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-15" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/109" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Spacelessness</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-16" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/122" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Timeless</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-17" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/110" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Timelessness</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-18" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/149" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Immaterial</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-19" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/143" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Mystics</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-20" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/161" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Scientists</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-21" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/160" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Atheists</a></li></ul></div> Wed, 14 Jun 2017 05:34:45 +0000 Himangsu Sekhar Pal 557 at /?q=node/557#comments God Reveals Himself to Man in His Own Interest /?q=node/552 <div class="field field-name-body field-type-text-with-summary field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even" property="content:encoded"><p>A God who knows how to create a universe will also know how to keep a proof of his existence in the created world. And he will also know how to make his presence known to human individuals. </p> <p>Now let us suppose that this God has created the universe but that he has failed to keep any proof of his existence in the created world. Neither has he ever revealed his presence to anybody. In such a case no one will ever know that there is such a God and man will believe in as many false gods and goddesses as possible as they have done in the early ages of human history. </p> <p>Now let us suppose that God has created the universe but that while creating it he has totally forgotten to keep any proof of his existence in the created world. However God has regularly revealed himself to many human beings in all the ages of human history. These human individuals through their personal experience will come to know that there is such a God with such and such attributes and they will also know that all the other gods and goddesses that man has imagined so far are all false gods and goddesses only. In this way human society will slowly move from polytheism to monotheism. </p> <p>But this situation is not an ideal situation at all, because this will ultimately lead to authoritarianism and agnosticism/atheism/scepticism. The ideal situation is the one where there will be both; there will be the personal experience of human individuals and at the same time there will be one or more proof/s of God’s existence in the created world.</p> <p>From above I hope it becomes clear that if there is a God at all, then why that God will have to reveal himself to human beings from time to time, as otherwise they will never come to know that there is such a God and as in such a situation they will believe in false gods and goddesses only. At the same time if God does not want to breed authoritarianism and agnosticism/atheism/scepticism, then he will also have to keep a proof of his existence in the created world.</p> <p>I think I have been able to make my point clear that if there is a God at all, then why it is possible for human beings to personally know there is a God, because in his own interest God will have to reveal himself to man from time to time.</p> <p>I personally know there is a God. That is why I also know that scientists will never be able to explain everything of nature by natural means.</p> </div></div></div><div class="field field-name-field-tags field-type-taxonomy-term-reference field-label-above clearfix"><h3 class="field-label">Tags: </h3><ul class="links"><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-0" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/123" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">God</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-1" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/113" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Universe</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-2" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/63" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Creation</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-3" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/201" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Atheism</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-4" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/202" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Authoritarianism</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-5" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/206" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Agnosticism</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-6" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/207" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Scepticism</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-7" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/203" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Monotheism</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-8" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/204" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Polytheism</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-9" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/205" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Revealation</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-10" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/161" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Scientists</a></li></ul></div> Thu, 23 Mar 2017 05:27:24 +0000 Himangsu Sekhar Pal 552 at /?q=node/552#comments Biggest Blunder Committed by Science /?q=node/551 <div class="field field-name-body field-type-text-with-summary field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even" property="content:encoded"><p>I think the biggest blunder science has committed is this: it has shown how it is possible to be spaceless and timeless. Why? This is because when theists bring their God in the picture at all, they bring him in as the creator of the universe, not as a mere observer. As universe primarily means its space, time, matter and energy, so God as the supposed creator of the universe is the creator of space, time, matter and energy. That means before creation by God there cannot be any space, time, matter and energy. That will further mean the creator God can never be in any space and time and neither can the creator God contain any matter or energy. That is why creator of the universe will always necessarily have to be spaceless, timeless and immaterial; it can never be otherwise. So once scientists have shown how it is possible to be spaceless and timeless, they will no longer be able to convince us that this spaceless and timeless God cannot exist. All their efforts will be futile and all their arguments against this creator God will fall on deaf ears only.</p> </div></div></div><div class="field field-name-field-tags field-type-taxonomy-term-reference field-label-above clearfix"><h3 class="field-label">Tags: </h3><ul class="links"><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-0" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/123" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">God</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-1" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/113" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Universe</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-2" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/63" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Creation</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-3" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/53" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">space</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-4" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/54" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">time</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-5" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/118" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Matter</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-6" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/104" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Energy</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-7" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/121" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Spaceless</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-8" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/122" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Timeless</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-9" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/149" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Immaterial</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-10" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/196" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Theists</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-11" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/161" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Scientists</a></li></ul></div> Wed, 22 Mar 2017 04:32:59 +0000 Himangsu Sekhar Pal 551 at /?q=node/551#comments Is there any need for the Supernatural? /?q=node/541 <div class="field field-name-body field-type-text-with-summary field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even" property="content:encoded"><p>The difference between the atheists and the scientists is this: atheists can afford to be dogmatic or close-minded, but scientists cannot; their job or profession forbids them to be so. As scientists they have got some responsibility that the atheists do not have. As scientists they are supposed to provide explanation for all the events, phenomena or effects in nature and therefore they have to keep their mind open to the possibility that they may not always be able to explain everything purely naturally.</p> <p>Scientist Victor J Stenger was an atheist, but like most of the atheists he was not close-minded. He did not completely rule out the possibility that there might be a God. In the year 2007 he published a book 'God: The Failed Hypothesis. How Science Shows That God Does Not exist'. In the introduction of that book he wrote the following: </p> <p>"Indeed, the "God of the gaps" has long been a common argument for God. Science does not explain everything, so there is always room for other explanations and the believer is easily convinced that the explanation is God. however, the God of the gaps argument by itself fails, at least as a scientific argument, unless the phenomenon in question is not only currently scientifically inexplicable but can be shown to forever defy natural description. God can only show up by proving to be necessary, with science equally proven to be incapable of providing a plausible account of the phenomenon based on natural or material processes alone." (pp 13-14)1 </p> <p>So as per Stenger if there is one single phenomenon of nature for which science is proven to be incapable of providing a plausible account based on natural or material processes alone and which can be shown to forever defy natural description, then there, and there only, God can show up by proving to be necessary as an explanation. </p> <p>Not only that. In the year 2009 British Scientist Edgar Andrews published a book 'Who Made God' in which he severely criticised the book "God: the Failed hypothesis" by Stenger (Chapter 5). In reply Stenger wrote the following: </p> <p>"Anyone who has read any of my books knows I would never say that models detect anything. I simply say that God is not needed as part of any existing models but make clear that, if the evidence should require it, science should be required to include supernatural causes. If anything, Andrews should appreciate that, unlike most scientists, I allow for the possibility that we may not always be able to explain everything purely naturally. Currently we can, but I cannot predict the future."2 </p> <p>Here also we can see that he is not completely ruling out the possibility for the existence of the supernatural. This possibility can only be completely ruled out if, and only if, science can provide a natural explanation for each and every phenomenon of nature without any single exception. </p> <p>There is one more scientist who like Victor J Stenger keeps his mind open to the possibility that as scientists one day they may also have the need of God as an explanation for some phenomenon of nature. Sean M Carroll is a theoretical physicist; to the outer world he is known to be an atheist. But despite that in November 1, 2010 he wrote an article (Is Dark Matter Supernatural?) that clearly shows his open-mindedness regarding this. Here is a relevant quote from that article:</p> <p>“There is a perfectly good question of whether science could ever conclude that the best explanation was one that involved fundamentally lawless behavior. The data in favor of such a conclusion would have to be extremely compelling… but I don’t see why it couldn’t happen. Science is ver


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11Prompt - space /?q=taxonomy/term/53 en Scientists have failed to invalidate believers' claim /?q=node/606 <div class="field field-name-body field-type-text-with-summary field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even" property="content:encoded"><p>Scientists are now saying that spacetime is not fundamental and that it has emerged from something non-spatiotemporal. The word non-spatiotemporal is the adjective form of no spacetime. That means as per scientists the source from which spacetime has emerged is not within any spacetime. As nothing can exist without spacetime, so the source from which spacetime has emerged can be called the source of all existence. And this source of all existence is not within any spacetime.</p> <p>Believers say that God is spaceless and timeless and that this God is the source of all existence. So, as per the believers, the source of all existence is not within any space and time. </p> <p>So, both believers and non-believers are saying the same thing that the source of all existence cannot lie within any spacetime. </p> <p>Now, somebody may argue that ‘non-spatiotemporal’ and ‘spaceless and timeless’ are two separate terms and that they do not indicate the same thing. But this argument will be a bad argument. Because although scientists are using the terms spacetime and non-spatiotemporal, yet in practice they are treating space and time as two separate entities. They are also using two different symbols for these two entities space and time. </p> <p>So, it is quite immaterial as to whether we say that the source of all existence is not within any spacetime, or that it is not within any space and time. </p> <p>Therefore, from all this above we can conclude that scientists have failed to invalidate the believers’ claim that the source of all existence cannot lie within any spacetime.</p> </div></div></div><div class="field field-name-field-tags field-type-taxonomy-term-reference field-label-above clearfix"><h3 class="field-label">Tags: </h3><ul class="links"><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-0" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/123" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">God</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-1" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/53" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">space</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-2" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/54" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">time</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-3" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/259" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Spacetime</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-4" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/269" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Non-spatiotemporal</a></li></ul></div> Fri, 05 Jun 2026 08:27:29 +0000 Himangsu Sekhar Pal 606 at /?q=node/606#comments A Falsehood spread about God /?q=node/604 <div class="field field-name-body field-type-text-with-summary field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even" property="content:encoded"><p>For many years, scientists have been propagating a falsehood about God. That falsehood is as follows: "The God-hypothesis does not predict anything that can be tested," or "The God-hypothesis does not have any observational consequences."</p> <p>But I showed back in 2001 that this is entirely false. I demonstrated that the God-hypothesis can predict something that has been tested and verified. I showed that if, at the very beginning of the universe, there existed a spaceless and timeless entity (God has always been described this way), then due to the presence of such a spaceless and timeless being, the values of space and time must necessarily be relative — and science has indeed shown that the values of space and time are relative.</p> <p>Because God is spaceless and timeless, the values of space and time in relation to God are absolutely zero. But in all other cases, the values of space and time are non-zero. Therefore, the values of space and time must be relative.</p> <p>However, this cannot be considered definitive proof of God's existence, because God's consciousness cannot be proven in this way. Even if, instead of God, there existed a spaceless and timeless unconscious entity, the values of space and time would still be relative.</p> <p>Scientists who are working on quantum gravity are now saying that space and time cannot be fundamental — they are emergent. If scientists ultimately conclude that space-time is emergent, it would mean that the source from which space-time emerged cannot itself be located within space-time, since space-time did not exist before its own emergence.</p> <p>And since nothing can exist without space-time, the source from which space-time originated can be identified as the root of all existence — and that source must be spaceless and timeless. Although scientists are not calling it "spaceless and timeless"; instead, they are calling it non-spatiotemporal.</p> <p>If scientists continue down the path they are currently on, they will eventually arrive not at a spaceless and timeless conscious being at the beginning of the universe, but rather at a non-spatiotemporal unconscious entity.</p> <p>However, I showed as early as 2012 that such an unconscious entity must possess consciousness — otherwise, the spacelessness and timelessness of light cannot be explained in any way.</p> <p>So there's no need for atheists to worry about proving God's existence. They can simply go on spreading the same falsehood — that "God-hypothesis does not predict anything."1</p> <p>Footnote:<br /> 1. Translated from Bengali with the help of ChatGPT.</p> </div></div></div><div class="field field-name-field-tags field-type-taxonomy-term-reference field-label-above clearfix"><h3 class="field-label">Tags: </h3><ul class="links"><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-0" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/123" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">God</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-1" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/161" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Scientists</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-2" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/345" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">ChatGPT</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-3" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/53" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">space</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-4" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/54" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">time</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-5" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/109" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Spacelessness</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-6" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/110" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Timelessness</a></li></ul></div> Wed, 21 May 2025 12:42:01 +0000 Himangsu Sekhar Pal 604 at /?q=node/604#comments The One /?q=node/601 <div class="field field-name-body field-type-text-with-summary field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even" property="content:encoded"><p>The two theories of special and general relativity clearly show the relationship between space, time, energy, and matter. Special relativity has shown that energy and matter are equivalent; energy can be converted into matter, and matter into energy. Again, general relativity shows that space, time, and matter are so interrelated that there cannot be any space-time without matter; similarly, there cannot be any matter without soace-time. </p> <p>Since there cannot be any space-time without matter, and since there can neither be any matter without soace-time, therefore it can be asserted that space-time and matter have originated from one single source only. If the source of space-time and the source of matter were different, then there could not be such an interrelation between space-time and matter. Again, since energy and matter are identical, therefore we can assert that space, time, energy, and matter have originated from one single source only. </p> <p>This interrelation between space-time and matter shows us that at the root of all things is the One, and that One is neither space, nor time, nor energy, nor matter, though space, time, energy, and matter have originated from that One only. If that One is neither space, nor time, nor energy, nor matter, then what is that One? It is not possible for anyone to say anything about that One, which is why Indian philosophy has only said neti, neti about that One; it is not this, it is not that, etc.</p> </div></div></div><div class="field field-name-field-tags field-type-taxonomy-term-reference field-label-above clearfix"><h3 class="field-label">Tags: </h3><ul class="links"><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-0" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/116" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Special theory of relativity</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-1" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/117" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">General theory of relativity</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-2" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/53" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">space</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-3" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/54" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">time</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-4" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/118" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Matter</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-5" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/104" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Energy</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-6" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/340" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">The One</a></li></ul></div> Sun, 11 Aug 2024 07:14:29 +0000 Himangsu Sekhar Pal 601 at /?q=node/601#comments A new argument for the relativity of space and time /?q=node/597 <div class="field field-name-body field-type-text-with-summary field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even" property="content:encoded"><p>If there is a God, and if that God is omnipresent, then God being omnipresent will be present at each point of the universe at the same time. Let's assume for the sake of argument that the universe is infinite, so the distance from one end of the universe to its other end will also be infinite. But for God, this infinite distance will not remain an infinite distance, it will amount to zero distance, since God will be present at both ends of the universe at the same time. But to us human beings, this infinite distance will remain an infinite distance. So the question that will arise here is this: can the distance which is infinite for one being, be reduced to zero for another being? Again it takes an eternity to travel an infinite distance, which is true for us, but not true for God. The truth about God is that God would require no time, because that infinite distance will be zero for God. So here the pertinent question will be: can the amount of time that is an eternity for one being, be reduced to zero for another being? If Newton's theory were the last word of science, then scientists would answer both the above questions in the negative, because in Newton's theory both space and time are absolute. But science did not stop with Newton alone; Einstein came and changed the whole picture. In his theory, space and time are relative. Special theory of relativity has shown what is an infinite distance to us, becomes zero distance for massless particles; again, what is an eternity for us, becomes zero time for those particles. </p> <p> Therefore, if God exists, then space and time must be relative because God is omnipresent. And science has also shown that this is indeed the case.</p> <p> Here, one question may arise as to why only massless particles have these strange properties, and why not any other particle? This question can also be answered. Many years ago, in another of my writings (Who created God?), I have shown that if God is there, then that God will have zero mass, because the total energy of the universe is zero. God is massless, so it is quite natural and expected that only massless particles would manifest God's attributes and not other particles.</p> <p> Life is a big joke, brothers. I get this new argument when my age is 77.</p> </div></div></div><div class="field field-name-field-tags field-type-taxonomy-term-reference field-label-above clearfix"><h3 class="field-label">Tags: </h3><ul class="links"><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-0" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/123" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">God</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-1" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/167" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Newton</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-2" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/168" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Einstein</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-3" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/53" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">space</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-4" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/54" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">time</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-5" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/332" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Relativity</a></li></ul></div> Wed, 08 Feb 2023 18:37:19 +0000 Himangsu Sekhar Pal 597 at /?q=node/597#comments Why spacetime is not fundamental /?q=node/595 <div class="field field-name-body field-type-text-with-summary field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even" property="content:encoded"><p>Now, we all know that spacetime is not fundamental, because physicists are saying so. But, do we know the reason why spacetime cannot be fundamental?</p> <p>This is a physics question as well as a philosophy question.</p> <p>If we say that X is a fundamental ingredient of the universe, then we will have to admit that whatever will exist in it, will need X for its existence. Nothing can exist without it.</p> <p>However, if there is something in the universe that does not need X for its existence, then X cannot be called a fundamental ingredient of the universe. </p> <p>Now, we want to know why spacetime is not fundamental. So, we will ask this question now: Is spacetime a fundamental ingredient of the universe? And we will try to find out an answer to this question.</p> <p>Our task is very simple here. We will ask just one more question here: Is there anything in the universe that does not need spacetime for its existence? </p> <p>If the answer is yes, then we know for sure that spacetime is not a fundamental ingredient of the universe.</p> <p>And the answer is yes here, because there is at least one entity in the universe that does not need any spacetime for its existence. That entity is light. Einstein’s special theory of relativity has shown that a photon occupies zero space for zero time because both the travel time and the travel distance become zero for light. </p> <p>It is also true that we cannot do anything without light; light is so much essential for us. And the irony is that this most essential entity for us does not need any spacetime for its existence. It can do without it.</p> <p>So, how can we say that spacetime is a fundamental ingredient of the universe? How can we say that it is fundamental?</p> </div></div></div><div class="field field-name-field-tags field-type-taxonomy-term-reference field-label-above clearfix"><h3 class="field-label">Tags: </h3><ul class="links"><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-0" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/168" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Einstein</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-1" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/116" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Special theory of relativity</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-2" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/53" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">space</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-3" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/54" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">time</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-4" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/259" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Spacetime</a></li></ul></div> Sat, 14 May 2022 10:38:48 +0000 Himangsu Sekhar Pal 595 at /?q=node/595#comments Spaceless, Timeless, and Immaterial /?q=node/592 <div class="field field-name-body field-type-text-with-summary field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even" property="content:encoded"><p>1) Physicists have shown that the total energy of the universe is zero.<br /> 2) SR has shown that mass and energy are equivalent.<br /> 3) Again GR has shown that space, time, and matter are so interlinked that there cannot be any spacetime without matter; similarly, there cannot be any matter without spacetime. There is a saying of Einstein on this: "When forced to summarize the general theory of relativity in one sentence: Time and space and gravitation have no separate existence from matter." (Source: Google search) </p> <p>Based on the three above, it can be shown that the universe as a whole is spaceless, timeless, and immaterial. </p> <p>The total energy of the universe being zero, it can be shown that its total matter is also zero. </p> <p>The famous equation of Einstein from SR shows that E is equal to m multiplied by c squared. If E is zero now, then m will be equal to zero divided by c squared, which will also be zero. So, the total energy of the universe being zero, Einstein's famous equation shows that in that case, the total mass of the universe will also be zero. </p> <p>Now, the below portion is from Google search:<br /> //What is mass in Physics with example? Mass can be best understood as the amount of matter present in any object or body. For example, a table, a chair, your bed, a football, a glass, and even air has mass. ... That being said, all objects are light or heavy because of their mass.// </p> <p>As the total mass of the universe is zero, so the total amount of matter present in the universe will also be zero.</p> <p>As the total matte of the universe is zero, so we can say that the universe as a whole is immaterial.</p> <p>If the total matter of the universe is zero, its total spacetime will also be zero because as per GR, there cannot be any spacetime without matter. </p> <p>What does it mean that the total spacetime of the universe is zero? It means that the universe as a whole is spaceless and timeless, or non-spatiotemporal, if we use the new scientific term that has replaced the old one spaceless and timeless. </p> <p>We have already seen that the universe as a whole is immaterial. Now we have seen that it is also spaceless and timeless. So, we can say that the universe as a whole is spaceless, timeless, and immaterial. </p> <p>Again, the total energy of the universe always remains zero. Therefore, the universe as a whole will always remain spaceless, timeless, and immaterial. </p> <p>That means the universe as a whole does not change at all. </p> <p>As the universe as a whole does not change at all, so we can say that the universe as a whole is spaceless, timeless, changeless, and immaterial.</p> <p>That nicely explains why the wave function of the universe does not contain any time variable.</p> <p>However, the above conclusion will be falsified if anybody in the near or distant future can show that the total energy of the universe has a non-zero value.</p> </div></div></div><div class="field field-name-field-tags field-type-taxonomy-term-reference field-label-above clearfix"><h3 class="field-label">Tags: </h3><ul class="links"><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-0" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/113" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Universe</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-1" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/320" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Physicists</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-2" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/53" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">space</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-3" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/54" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">time</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-4" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/118" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Matter</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-5" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/321" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Wave Function</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-6" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/104" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Energy</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-7" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/121" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Spaceless</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-8" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/122" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Timeless</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-9" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/149" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Immaterial</a></li></ul></div> Thu, 15 Jul 2021 15:12:26 +0000 Himangsu Sekhar Pal 592 at /?q=node/592#comments In Defense of Emergent Spacetime /?q=node/591 <div class="field field-name-body field-type-text-with-summary field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even" property="content:encoded"><p>My justification for writing this post is that only emergent spacetime can ultimately lead to God. So, we must defend it in every possible way.</p> <p>Recently, I have posted the following in one Facebook Discussion Group: </p> <p>'Physicists are now saying that spacetime is not fundamental but emergent, and it has emerged from something non-spatiotemporal.</p> <p>‘As we have come to know that spacetime is emergent, so some questions arise here that I am giving below:</p> <p>1) Was spacetime fundamental or emergent when the universe began to expand from the Big Bang?<br /> 2) If it was fundamental, then is there any scientific evidence in support of it?<br /> 3) If it was fundamental, how and when has it become emergent by losing its fundamental nature?<br /> 4) However, if it was emergent, would it not require the prior presence of something non-spatiotemporal from which only it could emerge?’</p> <p>In reply, a person commented that we have not come to know that. It is only a possibility that only a few theoreticians are investigating. These theoreticians have yet to extend it from 3D to 4D that is essential, and until they do, they cannot even start for the possible observation that might verify the speculation.</p> <p>But I think there is a reason why those physicists may not be entirely wrong who say that spacetime is emergent.</p> <p>In an earlier article1, I have shown that if anything exists at all, there would be something spaceless and timeless. That is because otherwise, there will be an infinite regress. Below, I am going to repeat the same article here, but with some modification.</p> <p>We can show by some simple logic that if anything exists at all, then either there will be an infinite regress or that there will be something spaceless and timeless that will stop that regress. </p> <p>Now let us start from the earth. Earth exists within the solar system.<br /> The solar system exists within the Milky Way galaxy.<br /> The Milky Way galaxy exists within the local cluster of galaxies.<br /> This cluster again exists within some super-cluster of galaxies.<br /> This super-cluster of galaxies exists within the universe that contains trillions of other galaxies.</p> <p>WHAT I AM GOING TO SAY NOW IS PURELY FOR THE SAKE OF BUILDING AN ARGUMENT ONLY. NOTHING IS ASSERTED HERE.</p> <p>The universe exists within the multiverse that contains trillions of other universes.<br /> This multiverse exists within some super-multiverse that contains trillions of other multiverses.<br /> This super-multiverse exists within some super-duper multiverse that contains trillions of other super-multiverses.<br /> This super-duper multiverse exists within some supra-multiverse that contains trillions of other super-duper multiverses.<br /> This supra-multiverse exists within some supra-dupra multiverse that contains trillions of other supra-multiverses.<br /> And in this way, this chain will go on up to infinity. </p> <p>However, if we want to stop the infinite regress, we would have to break the chain somewhere in the middle. We would have to stop at some level.</p> <p>If we decide that we would stop at the universe level, we would have to say that nothing is there beyond the universe. The universe as a whole would be neither in any space nor in any time. That is because there would be nothing outside the universe. </p> <p>If we stop at the multiverse level, we would have to say that the multiverse as a whole would be neither in any space nor at any time. That is because there would be nothing outside the multiverse. </p> <p>In each case, the entity being as a whole neither in space nor in time would be spaceless and timeless. </p> <p>So, the entity that will stop the infinite regress will always be spaceless and timeless. </p> <p>From above, we can conclude that if anything exists at all, then there would be two possibilities:<br /> 1) Possibility one: There would be an infinite regress;<br /> 2) Possibility two: There would be something spaceless and timeless that will stop that regress;</p> <p>I do not profess to know whether there is an infinite regress or no such regress. NOBODY KNOWS. However, if there is no such regress, then we can say that there was something spaceless and timeless at the beginning from which everything has originated. In that case, we cannot say that those physicists are wrong who are saying spacetime is emergent.</p> <p>Reference:<br /> 1) <a href="; </div></div></div><div class="field field-name-field-tags field-type-taxonomy-term-reference field-label-above clearfix"><h3 class="field-label">Tags: </h3><ul class="links"><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-0" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/123" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">God</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-1" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/53" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">space</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-2" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/54" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">time</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-3" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/259" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Spacetime</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-4" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/269" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Non-spatiotemporal</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-5" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/145" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Big Bang</a></li></ul></div> Mon, 14 Jun 2021 14:05:06 +0000 Himangsu Sekhar Pal 591 at /?q=node/591#comments God is not Purely Imaginary /?q=node/589 <div class="field field-name-body field-type-text-with-summary field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even" property="content:encoded"><p>God is not purely imaginary, because God has also been described as spaceless and timeless.</p> <p>In this 21st century, physicists are no longer saying that spacetime is fundamental; rather, they are saying that it is emergent. </p> <p>If an entity is emergent, then in general, that will mean these three things:<br /> 1) The emergent entity cannot have any existence prior to its emergence.<br /> 2) The emergent entity (A) cannot emerge from just anything or nothing; it can emerge from some particular entity or entities (B) only.<br /> 3) B must pre-exist before the emergence of A. </p> <p>The above three will also be true for emergent spacetime as well. </p> <p>Spacetime is emergent means the source from which spacetime has emerged cannot be within any spacetime, for the simple reason that there cannot be any spacetime prior to its emergence. Physicists are describing this source as non-spatiotemporal. </p> <p>'Non-spatiotemporal' is the new scientific term for the old term 'spaceless and timeless'. The special theory of relativity has combined the two separate entities space and time into one single entity: spacetime. So, scientists can no longer use the old term ‘spaceless and timeless’; instead, they use the new term ‘non-spatiotemporal’. </p> <p>So, emergent spacetime has shown that there is something spaceless and timeless (aka, non-spatiotemporal) in nature from which our known spacetime has emerged. </p> <p>This is the objectively real part in man's imagination of God.</p> <p>As we have come to know that spacetime is not fundamental but emergent, so some questions arise here that are given below: </p> <p>1) Was spacetime fundamental or emergent when the universe began to expand from the Big Bang?<br /> 2) If it was fundamental, then is there any scientific evidence in support of it? If yes, then how did scientists get that evidence? And also, from where did they get that evidence?<br /> 3) If it was fundamental, then how and when has it become emergent by losing its fundamental nature?<br /> 4) However, if it was emergent, then would it not require the prior presence of NSE from which only it could emerge? </p> <p>Moreover, if an entity is emergent, then how can it be the case that it was fundamental at an earlier time, and that it has become emergent afterwards by losing its fundamental nature? Would it not be more reasonable to assume that if it is emergent now, then earlier also it was emergent, and that it will remain so in future as well? </p> <p>One can easily understand what will be the implication of this. Spacetime being emergent, would require the prior presence of this NSE for its emergence from it, when the universe began expanding from the Big Bang. </p> <p>In the CCC model of Roger Penrose, this NSE would have to be eternal and everlasting, because every time a big bang has occurred or will occur, whether in the infinite past, or in the far distant future, spacetime would have required, or would require, the prior presence of this NSE for its emergence from it.</p> </div></div></div><div class="field field-name-field-tags field-type-taxonomy-term-reference field-label-above clearfix"><h3 class="field-label">Tags: </h3><ul class="links"><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-0" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/123" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">God</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-1" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/53" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">space</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-2" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/54" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">time</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-3" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/121" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Spaceless</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-4" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/122" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Timeless</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-5" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/145" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Big Bang</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-6" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/269" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Non-spatiotemporal</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-7" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/317" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Roger Penrose</a></li></ul></div> Wed, 24 Mar 2021 10:33:55 +0000 Himangsu Sekhar Pal 589 at /?q=node/589#comments The Ultimate Justification for a Creator /?q=node/588 <div class="field field-name-body field-type-text-with-summary field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even" property="content:encoded"><p>Part I</p> <p>Two reasons can be given as to why an entity may be spaceless and timeless: </p> <p>1) Reason A: If the entity is not within any space and time, then it will naturally be spaceless and timeless. We can also say that it will be spaceless and timeless by default; </p> <p>2) Reason B: If the entity is placed within some space and time, and if it is forcefully deprived of space and time, then also it will become spaceless and timeless. </p> <p>For 1), we can give the example of the entity from which our known spacetime has emerged. In this 21st century, physicists are no more saying that spacetime is fundamental; rather, they are saying it is emergent. Spacetime is emergent means the source from which spacetime has emerged cannot be within any spacetime, for the simple reason that there cannot be any spacetime prior to its emergence. So, not being within any spacetime, it will naturally be spaceless and timeless. However, physicists are describing it not as spaceless and timeless, but as non-spatiotemporal. Whatever may be the nomenclature, the concept remains the same in both cases; the source from which spacetime has emerged is not within any spacetime and so, it is naturally non-spatiotemporal/spaceless and timeless. </p> <p>For 2), we can give the example of black hole singularities. Earlier, it was known to us that black hole singularities were point-like. Now it has been known that they are not point-like but rather one dimensional ring-like. In case of black hole singularities, whether they are point-like or ring-like, space and time almost contract to zero due to a tremendous gravitational force. </p> <p>Now suppose there is one more entity within the universe that is also spaceless and timeless, but for which neither Reason A nor Reason B can be thought of as its cause. Here I am speaking about light. Light is within the universe, but as per SR both the travel distance and the travel time become zero for light. So, within the space and time of the universe, light occupies zero space for zero time, which is tantamount to saying that light is spaceless and timeless. </p> <p>Can we say that light is spaceless and timeless due to Reason A? No, we cannot say so, because we know very well that light is within the space and time of the universe. </p> <p>Can we say that light is spaceless and timeless due to Reason B? No, we cannot say so, because we are not aware of any force that is active in case of light causing space and time contract to zero for light. </p> <p>If light is spaceless and timeless neither due to Reason A, nor due to Reason B, then what is the reason due to which it is so? </p> <p>Moreover, no black hole is as big as the universe. So, the length that is almost contracted to zero in case of black hole singularities is nothing compared to the entire width of the universe. But for light, the entire width of the universe is contracted to zero. If a tremendous gravitational force is responsible for the contraction of a black hole’s size of length almost to zero, then which force is responsible for the contraction of the entire width of the universe to zero, in case of light? </p> <p>Does anyone have a clue about it? Can anybody say what the cause is due to which light is spaceless and timeless?</p> <p> Part II</p> <p>I have already stated that we do not know the reason due to which light is spaceless and timeless. But, whatever may be the reason of this, it can be shown that this reason cannot lie within the space and time of the universe. </p> <p>Let us suppose that X is that reason and that X is within the universe. If X is not spaceless and timeless itself, then it is not possible for it to make another entity spaceless and timeless. So, X must have to be spaceless and timeless first, and then only it can make another entity spaceless and timeless. But, if X is also spaceless and timeless, then we will have to ask the same question about X that we were earlier asking about light: Being already placed within the space and time of the universe, how has it become spaceless and timeless? So, now we will have to search for the cause due to which X has become spaceless and timeless. Therefore, from this we can conclude that the cause due to which light is spaceless and timeless cannot lie within the space and time of the universe. It must lie outside any space and time. </p> <p>The only entity that we know of that lies outside any space and time is the source from which our known spacetime has emerged. The existence of this entity in nature has already been confirmed once physicists have declared that spacetime is emergent. So, here is one entity that is spaceless and timeless by default, and for which we need not have to seek any further cause due to which it has become spaceless and timeless, because we already know that it is not within any space and time. </p> <p>Now, if scientists can somehow show that this lifeless, mindless, and unconscious entity but that happens to be spaceless and timeless simply by default, can NATURALLY make another entity (aka light) spaceless and timeless, then this universe WILL NEVER NEED ANY GOD. </p> <p>However, if they fail to do so, then only we will be compelled to posit some sort of consciousness here, because it is possible for a conscious being only to know how it is spaceless and timeless. </p> <p>Science is the ultimate arbiter of truth and so, let science show that there is a natural explanation here. </p> <p>We will be waiting for that explanation.</p> </div></div></div><div class="field field-name-field-tags field-type-taxonomy-term-reference field-label-above clearfix"><h3 class="field-label">Tags: </h3><ul class="links"><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-0" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/123" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">God</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-1" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/113" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Universe</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-2" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/52" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Light</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-3" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/53" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">space</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-4" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/54" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">time</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-5" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/121" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Spaceless</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-6" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/122" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Timeless</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-7" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/316" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Black Hole Singularity</a></li></ul></div> Mon, 01 Mar 2021 14:50:52 +0000 Himangsu Sekhar Pal 588 at /?q=node/588#comments Do time and distance really shrink to zero at light-speed? /?q=node/587 <div class="field field-name-body field-type-text-with-summary field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even" property="content:encoded"><p>So far as I can remember, there are these two equations in Einstein’s special theory of relativity:<br /> l1 = l(1-v2/c2)1/2……. (1)<br /> t1 = t((1-v2/c2)1/2……. (2)</p> <p>From the above two equations, two conclusions can be drawn that are as follows:<br /> 1) Time and distance are not absolute, they are relative;<br /> 2) At light speed, both travel time and travel distance become zero. </p> <p>Now reality may be such that<br /> 1) Time and distance are only relative, but in no circumstances they become zero (A);<br /> 2) Time and distance are not only relative but at one particular case, they also become zero (B). </p> <p>If reality is A, then the above two equations are not required at all to represent that reality; it can be equally represented by the following two equations:<br /> l1 = l(1-v2/xc2)1/2……. (3)<br /> t1 = t((1-v2/xc2)1/2……. (4) </p> <p>In (3) and (4) above, x will have a value greater than one but less than infinity. But it cannot have a value equal to one or infinity. If the value of x is one, then we will go back to Einstein’s equations, whereas if its value equals infinity, then we will have Newton’s equations instead. From (3) and (4) above, it can clearly be seen that time and distance will be relative as before, but they will never be zero even at the speed of light due to the presence of the factor 1/x in the equations. </p> <p>Now, I know very well that it is not possible to experimentally demonstrate what is actually happening at the speed of light and so, it is reasonable to doubt whether time and distance really shrink to zero at light-speed. However, there is an alternate way to verify it.</p> <p>Suppose scientists have repeated the Michelson-Morley experiment or any newer version of it, and suppose that they have arrived at equations (3) and (4) instead of equations (1) and (2). Then, based on these two equations (3) and (4), they can say that the shrinkage of time and distance to zero at light-speed is only a myth.</p> <p>But, nature knows better than any one of us what is actually happening at the speed of light and so, whenever an actual experiment is performed with light and an interferometer, it is always returning us equations (1) and (2) only and not equations (3) and (4) even for a single time. This is nature’s indirect way to inform us that we are not doing any mistake when we are saying that time and distance become zero for light. </p> <p>Scientists usually do not question this and so, we can find such statements in their writings on SR:<br /> 1) ‘For the light itself, the whole universe is only zero millimeters long.’ – Sascha Vongehr, in The Fundamental Nature of Light, Science 2.0 (February 3rd, 2011);<br /> 2) ‘At the speed of light there’s no time to cover any distance, but there’s also no distance to cover.’ – Ask a Mathematician/Ask a Physicist</p> <p>There is a reason as to why scientists do not question this. The reason is that they know very well that they are in the domain of physics, and not in the domain of metaphysics. In the domain of physics, if they want to challenge something, then they cannot do so by using logic and reason only. Rather, they will have to experimentally demonstrate that that particular thing is wrong; they will have to experimentally demonstrate that equations (1) and (2) must be replaced by equations (3) and (4). So far, no one has been able to do this. So far, no one has been able to falsify SR. </p> <p>There is one more reason why we can say that time and distance indeed shrink to zero at light-speed. Main-stream physicists are now saying that spacetime is not fundamental, but emergent. Spacetime is emergent means the source from which spacetime has emerged cannot be within any spacetime, for the simple reason that there cannot be any spacetime prior to its emergence. So, by stating that spacetime is emergent, physicists have already acknowledged the existence of something spaceless and timeless in nature from which our known spacetime has emerged. I know that physicists are describing this source as non-spatiotemporal, but I also know this that ‘non-spatiotemporal’ is only a new scientific term that replaces our old term ‘spaceless and timeless.’ If there is something spaceless and timeless in nature, then it is quite obvious that science would show how anything can be spaceless and timeless, because it is the job of science to provide an explanation for every phenomenon, event and effect in nature. In SR, we get those requisite explanations for spacelessness and timelessness. So, although we cannot directly verify whether time and distance really shrink to zero at light-speed, yet we can say that emergent spacetime is an indirect validation of it.</p> <p>Addendum:<br /> [Once I posted a question in a Facebook Discussion Group (Great Philosophical Questions): ‘If God does not exist, then it can be said that it is the big bang that has brought everyone and everything within the universe into existence. Whatever has been brought into existence by the big bang has been given certain life-span. Many stars in the sky have a life-span of several billion years; we human beings have a life-span of a few decades; some insects have a life-span of a single day only. Can we think of anything that has also been brought into existence by the big bang, but that has been given no life-span?’</p> <p>One commentator Race Dowling replied to the above with this: ‘What you are asking in essence is if anyone provide an example of something that exists that never existed. The answer to that is no.’</p> <p>Me to Race Dowling: ‘You have correctly understood my question, but your answer was incorrect. It is a fact of nature that light has also been brought into existence, but that light has been given no lifetime. As per SR, the travel time and travel distance become zero for light and so, light occupies zero space for zero time. This is as good as saying that light does not exist. But, on the other hand, we cannot see anything without light.’</p> <p>Race Dowling to me: ‘It is a legitimate conjecture that photons have no spatial dimensions along their path of travel making them essentially two dimensional, but it hasn’t been proved. (I wish it were because I postulated that in grad school). Likewise baryons have the appearance of being 4 dimensional as they have spins of ½, you need to rotate them 730 degrees to see the same face. All of these dimensional conjectures are controversial and have their detractors.’ </p> <p>So, I have to write this article in order to making it clear to Dowling that the shrinkage of time and distance to zero at light-speed is neither conjectural nor controversial, after reading which he could not utter a single word against my rebuttal.]</p> </div></div></div><div class="field field-name-field-tags field-type-taxonomy-term-reference field-label-above clearfix"><h3 class="field-label">Tags: </h3><ul class="links"><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-0" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/168" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Einstein</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-1" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/116" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Special theory of relativity</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-2" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/315" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Sascha Vongehr</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-3" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/53" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">space</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-4" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/54" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">time</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-5" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/259" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Spacetime</a></li></ul></div> Mon, 15 Feb 2021 13:17:16 +0000 Himangsu Sekhar Pal 587 at /?q=node/587#comments


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11Prompt - time /?q=taxonomy/term/54 en Scientists have failed to invalidate believers' claim /?q=node/606 <div class="field field-name-body field-type-text-with-summary field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even" property="content:encoded"><p>Scientists are now saying that spacetime is not fundamental and that it has emerged from something non-spatiotemporal. The word non-spatiotemporal is the adjective form of no spacetime. That means as per scientists the source from which spacetime has emerged is not within any spacetime. As nothing can exist without spacetime, so the source from which spacetime has emerged can be called the source of all existence. And this source of all existence is not within any spacetime.</p> <p>Believers say that God is spaceless and timeless and that this God is the source of all existence. So, as per the believers, the source of all existence is not within any space and time. </p> <p>So, both believers and non-believers are saying the same thing that the source of all existence cannot lie within any spacetime. </p> <p>Now, somebody may argue that ‘non-spatiotemporal’ and ‘spaceless and timeless’ are two separate terms and that they do not indicate the same thing. But this argument will be a bad argument. Because although scientists are using the terms spacetime and non-spatiotemporal, yet in practice they are treating space and time as two separate entities. They are also using two different symbols for these two entities space and time. </p> <p>So, it is quite immaterial as to whether we say that the source of all existence is not within any spacetime, or that it is not within any space and time. </p> <p>Therefore, from all this above we can conclude that scientists have failed to invalidate the believers’ claim that the source of all existence cannot lie within any spacetime.</p> </div></div></div><div class="field field-name-field-tags field-type-taxonomy-term-reference field-label-above clearfix"><h3 class="field-label">Tags: </h3><ul class="links"><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-0" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/123" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">God</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-1" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/53" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">space</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-2" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/54" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">time</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-3" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/259" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Spacetime</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-4" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/269" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Non-spatiotemporal</a></li></ul></div> Fri, 05 Jun 2026 08:27:29 +0000 Himangsu Sekhar Pal 606 at /?q=node/606#comments A Falsehood spread about God /?q=node/604 <div class="field field-name-body field-type-text-with-summary field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even" property="content:encoded"><p>For many years, scientists have been propagating a falsehood about God. That falsehood is as follows: "The God-hypothesis does not predict anything that can be tested," or "The God-hypothesis does not have any observational consequences."</p> <p>But I showed back in 2001 that this is entirely false. I demonstrated that the God-hypothesis can predict something that has been tested and verified. I showed that if, at the very beginning of the universe, there existed a spaceless and timeless entity (God has always been described this way), then due to the presence of such a spaceless and timeless being, the values of space and time must necessarily be relative — and science has indeed shown that the values of space and time are relative.</p> <p>Because God is spaceless and timeless, the values of space and time in relation to God are absolutely zero. But in all other cases, the values of space and time are non-zero. Therefore, the values of space and time must be relative.</p> <p>However, this cannot be considered definitive proof of God's existence, because God's consciousness cannot be proven in this way. Even if, instead of God, there existed a spaceless and timeless unconscious entity, the values of space and time would still be relative.</p> <p>Scientists who are working on quantum gravity are now saying that space and time cannot be fundamental — they are emergent. If scientists ultimately conclude that space-time is emergent, it would mean that the source from which space-time emerged cannot itself be located within space-time, since space-time did not exist before its own emergence.</p> <p>And since nothing can exist without space-time, the source from which space-time originated can be identified as the root of all existence — and that source must be spaceless and timeless. Although scientists are not calling it "spaceless and timeless"; instead, they are calling it non-spatiotemporal.</p> <p>If scientists continue down the path they are currently on, they will eventually arrive not at a spaceless and timeless conscious being at the beginning of the universe, but rather at a non-spatiotemporal unconscious entity.</p> <p>However, I showed as early as 2012 that such an unconscious entity must possess consciousness — otherwise, the spacelessness and timelessness of light cannot be explained in any way.</p> <p>So there's no need for atheists to worry about proving God's existence. They can simply go on spreading the same falsehood — that "God-hypothesis does not predict anything."1</p> <p>Footnote:<br /> 1. Translated from Bengali with the help of ChatGPT.</p> </div></div></div><div class="field field-name-field-tags field-type-taxonomy-term-reference field-label-above clearfix"><h3 class="field-label">Tags: </h3><ul class="links"><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-0" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/123" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">God</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-1" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/161" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Scientists</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-2" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/345" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">ChatGPT</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-3" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/53" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">space</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-4" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/54" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">time</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-5" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/109" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Spacelessness</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-6" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/110" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Timelessness</a></li></ul></div> Wed, 21 May 2025 12:42:01 +0000 Himangsu Sekhar Pal 604 at /?q=node/604#comments The One /?q=node/601 <div class="field field-name-body field-type-text-with-summary field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even" property="content:encoded"><p>The two theories of special and general relativity clearly show the relationship between space, time, energy, and matter. Special relativity has shown that energy and matter are equivalent; energy can be converted into matter, and matter into energy. Again, general relativity shows that space, time, and matter are so interrelated that there cannot be any space-time without matter; similarly, there cannot be any matter without soace-time. </p> <p>Since there cannot be any space-time without matter, and since there can neither be any matter without soace-time, therefore it can be asserted that space-time and matter have originated from one single source only. If the source of space-time and the source of matter were different, then there could not be such an interrelation between space-time and matter. Again, since energy and matter are identical, therefore we can assert that space, time, energy, and matter have originated from one single source only. </p> <p>This interrelation between space-time and matter shows us that at the root of all things is the One, and that One is neither space, nor time, nor energy, nor matter, though space, time, energy, and matter have originated from that One only. If that One is neither space, nor time, nor energy, nor matter, then what is that One? It is not possible for anyone to say anything about that One, which is why Indian philosophy has only said neti, neti about that One; it is not this, it is not that, etc.</p> </div></div></div><div class="field field-name-field-tags field-type-taxonomy-term-reference field-label-above clearfix"><h3 class="field-label">Tags: </h3><ul class="links"><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-0" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/116" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Special theory of relativity</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-1" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/117" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">General theory of relativity</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-2" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/53" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">space</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-3" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/54" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">time</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-4" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/118" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Matter</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-5" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/104" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Energy</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-6" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/340" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">The One</a></li></ul></div> Sun, 11 Aug 2024 07:14:29 +0000 Himangsu Sekhar Pal 601 at /?q=node/601#comments A new argument for the relativity of space and time /?q=node/597 <div class="field field-name-body field-type-text-with-summary field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even" property="content:encoded"><p>If there is a God, and if that God is omnipresent, then God being omnipresent will be present at each point of the universe at the same time. Let's assume for the sake of argument that the universe is infinite, so the distance from one end of the universe to its other end will also be infinite. But for God, this infinite distance will not remain an infinite distance, it will amount to zero distance, since God will be present at both ends of the universe at the same time. But to us human beings, this infinite distance will remain an infinite distance. So the question that will arise here is this: can the distance which is infinite for one being, be reduced to zero for another being? Again it takes an eternity to travel an infinite distance, which is true for us, but not true for God. The truth about God is that God would require no time, because that infinite distance will be zero for God. So here the pertinent question will be: can the amount of time that is an eternity for one being, be reduced to zero for another being? If Newton's theory were the last word of science, then scientists would answer both the above questions in the negative, because in Newton's theory both space and time are absolute. But science did not stop with Newton alone; Einstein came and changed the whole picture. In his theory, space and time are relative. Special theory of relativity has shown what is an infinite distance to us, becomes zero distance for massless particles; again, what is an eternity for us, becomes zero time for those particles. </p> <p> Therefore, if God exists, then space and time must be relative because God is omnipresent. And science has also shown that this is indeed the case.</p> <p> Here, one question may arise as to why only massless particles have these strange properties, and why not any other particle? This question can also be answered. Many years ago, in another of my writings (Who created God?), I have shown that if God is there, then that God will have zero mass, because the total energy of the universe is zero. God is massless, so it is quite natural and expected that only massless particles would manifest God's attributes and not other particles.</p> <p> Life is a big joke, brothers. I get this new argument when my age is 77.</p> </div></div></div><div class="field field-name-field-tags field-type-taxonomy-term-reference field-label-above clearfix"><h3 class="field-label">Tags: </h3><ul class="links"><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-0" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/123" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">God</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-1" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/167" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Newton</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-2" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/168" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Einstein</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-3" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/53" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">space</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-4" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/54" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">time</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-5" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/332" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Relativity</a></li></ul></div> Wed, 08 Feb 2023 18:37:19 +0000 Himangsu Sekhar Pal 597 at /?q=node/597#comments Why spacetime is not fundamental /?q=node/595 <div class="field field-name-body field-type-text-with-summary field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even" property="content:encoded"><p>Now, we all know that spacetime is not fundamental, because physicists are saying so. But, do we know the reason why spacetime cannot be fundamental?</p> <p>This is a physics question as well as a philosophy question.</p> <p>If we say that X is a fundamental ingredient of the universe, then we will have to admit that whatever will exist in it, will need X for its existence. Nothing can exist without it.</p> <p>However, if there is something in the universe that does not need X for its existence, then X cannot be called a fundamental ingredient of the universe. </p> <p>Now, we want to know why spacetime is not fundamental. So, we will ask this question now: Is spacetime a fundamental ingredient of the universe? And we will try to find out an answer to this question.</p> <p>Our task is very simple here. We will ask just one more question here: Is there anything in the universe that does not need spacetime for its existence? </p> <p>If the answer is yes, then we know for sure that spacetime is not a fundamental ingredient of the universe.</p> <p>And the answer is yes here, because there is at least one entity in the universe that does not need any spacetime for its existence. That entity is light. Einstein’s special theory of relativity has shown that a photon occupies zero space for zero time because both the travel time and the travel distance become zero for light. </p> <p>It is also true that we cannot do anything without light; light is so much essential for us. And the irony is that this most essential entity for us does not need any spacetime for its existence. It can do without it.</p> <p>So, how can we say that spacetime is a fundamental ingredient of the universe? How can we say that it is fundamental?</p> </div></div></div><div class="field field-name-field-tags field-type-taxonomy-term-reference field-label-above clearfix"><h3 class="field-label">Tags: </h3><ul class="links"><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-0" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/168" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Einstein</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-1" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/116" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Special theory of relativity</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-2" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/53" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">space</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-3" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/54" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">time</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-4" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/259" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Spacetime</a></li></ul></div> Sat, 14 May 2022 10:38:48 +0000 Himangsu Sekhar Pal 595 at /?q=node/595#comments Spaceless, Timeless, and Immaterial /?q=node/592 <div class="field field-name-body field-type-text-with-summary field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even" property="content:encoded"><p>1) Physicists have shown that the total energy of the universe is zero.<br /> 2) SR has shown that mass and energy are equivalent.<br /> 3) Again GR has shown that space, time, and matter are so interlinked that there cannot be any spacetime without matter; similarly, there cannot be any matter without spacetime. There is a saying of Einstein on this: "When forced to summarize the general theory of relativity in one sentence: Time and space and gravitation have no separate existence from matter." (Source: Google search) </p> <p>Based on the three above, it can be shown that the universe as a whole is spaceless, timeless, and immaterial. </p> <p>The total energy of the universe being zero, it can be shown that its total matter is also zero. </p> <p>The famous equation of Einstein from SR shows that E is equal to m multiplied by c squared. If E is zero now, then m will be equal to zero divided by c squared, which will also be zero. So, the total energy of the universe being zero, Einstein's famous equation shows that in that case, the total mass of the universe will also be zero. </p> <p>Now, the below portion is from Google search:<br /> //What is mass in Physics with example? Mass can be best understood as the amount of matter present in any object or body. For example, a table, a chair, your bed, a football, a glass, and even air has mass. ... That being said, all objects are light or heavy because of their mass.// </p> <p>As the total mass of the universe is zero, so the total amount of matter present in the universe will also be zero.</p> <p>As the total matte of the universe is zero, so we can say that the universe as a whole is immaterial.</p> <p>If the total matter of the universe is zero, its total spacetime will also be zero because as per GR, there cannot be any spacetime without matter. </p> <p>What does it mean that the total spacetime of the universe is zero? It means that the universe as a whole is spaceless and timeless, or non-spatiotemporal, if we use the new scientific term that has replaced the old one spaceless and timeless. </p> <p>We have already seen that the universe as a whole is immaterial. Now we have seen that it is also spaceless and timeless. So, we can say that the universe as a whole is spaceless, timeless, and immaterial. </p> <p>Again, the total energy of the universe always remains zero. Therefore, the universe as a whole will always remain spaceless, timeless, and immaterial. </p> <p>That means the universe as a whole does not change at all. </p> <p>As the universe as a whole does not change at all, so we can say that the universe as a whole is spaceless, timeless, changeless, and immaterial.</p> <p>That nicely explains why the wave function of the universe does not contain any time variable.</p> <p>However, the above conclusion will be falsified if anybody in the near or distant future can show that the total energy of the universe has a non-zero value.</p> </div></div></div><div class="field field-name-field-tags field-type-taxonomy-term-reference field-label-above clearfix"><h3 class="field-label">Tags: </h3><ul class="links"><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-0" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/113" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Universe</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-1" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/320" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Physicists</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-2" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/53" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">space</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-3" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/54" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">time</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-4" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/118" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Matter</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-5" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/321" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Wave Function</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-6" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/104" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Energy</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-7" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/121" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Spaceless</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-8" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/122" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Timeless</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-9" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/149" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Immaterial</a></li></ul></div> Thu, 15 Jul 2021 15:12:26 +0000 Himangsu Sekhar Pal 592 at /?q=node/592#comments In Defense of Emergent Spacetime /?q=node/591 <div class="field field-name-body field-type-text-with-summary field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even" property="content:encoded"><p>My justification for writing this post is that only emergent spacetime can ultimately lead to God. So, we must defend it in every possible way.</p> <p>Recently, I have posted the following in one Facebook Discussion Group: </p> <p>'Physicists are now saying that spacetime is not fundamental but emergent, and it has emerged from something non-spatiotemporal.</p> <p>‘As we have come to know that spacetime is emergent, so some questions arise here that I am giving below:</p> <p>1) Was spacetime fundamental or emergent when the universe began to expand from the Big Bang?<br /> 2) If it was fundamental, then is there any scientific evidence in support of it?<br /> 3) If it was fundamental, how and when has it become emergent by losing its fundamental nature?<br /> 4) However, if it was emergent, would it not require the prior presence of something non-spatiotemporal from which only it could emerge?’</p> <p>In reply, a person commented that we have not come to know that. It is only a possibility that only a few theoreticians are investigating. These theoreticians have yet to extend it from 3D to 4D that is essential, and until they do, they cannot even start for the possible observation that might verify the speculation.</p> <p>But I think there is a reason why those physicists may not be entirely wrong who say that spacetime is emergent.</p> <p>In an earlier article1, I have shown that if anything exists at all, there would be something spaceless and timeless. That is because otherwise, there will be an infinite regress. Below, I am going to repeat the same article here, but with some modification.</p> <p>We can show by some simple logic that if anything exists at all, then either there will be an infinite regress or that there will be something spaceless and timeless that will stop that regress. </p> <p>Now let us start from the earth. Earth exists within the solar system.<br /> The solar system exists within the Milky Way galaxy.<br /> The Milky Way galaxy exists within the local cluster of galaxies.<br /> This cluster again exists within some super-cluster of galaxies.<br /> This super-cluster of galaxies exists within the universe that contains trillions of other galaxies.</p> <p>WHAT I AM GOING TO SAY NOW IS PURELY FOR THE SAKE OF BUILDING AN ARGUMENT ONLY. NOTHING IS ASSERTED HERE.</p> <p>The universe exists within the multiverse that contains trillions of other universes.<br /> This multiverse exists within some super-multiverse that contains trillions of other multiverses.<br /> This super-multiverse exists within some super-duper multiverse that contains trillions of other super-multiverses.<br /> This super-duper multiverse exists within some supra-multiverse that contains trillions of other super-duper multiverses.<br /> This supra-multiverse exists within some supra-dupra multiverse that contains trillions of other supra-multiverses.<br /> And in this way, this chain will go on up to infinity. </p> <p>However, if we want to stop the infinite regress, we would have to break the chain somewhere in the middle. We would have to stop at some level.</p> <p>If we decide that we would stop at the universe level, we would have to say that nothing is there beyond the universe. The universe as a whole would be neither in any space nor in any time. That is because there would be nothing outside the universe. </p> <p>If we stop at the multiverse level, we would have to say that the multiverse as a whole would be neither in any space nor at any time. That is because there would be nothing outside the multiverse. </p> <p>In each case, the entity being as a whole neither in space nor in time would be spaceless and timeless. </p> <p>So, the entity that will stop the infinite regress will always be spaceless and timeless. </p> <p>From above, we can conclude that if anything exists at all, then there would be two possibilities:<br /> 1) Possibility one: There would be an infinite regress;<br /> 2) Possibility two: There would be something spaceless and timeless that will stop that regress;</p> <p>I do not profess to know whether there is an infinite regress or no such regress. NOBODY KNOWS. However, if there is no such regress, then we can say that there was something spaceless and timeless at the beginning from which everything has originated. In that case, we cannot say that those physicists are wrong who are saying spacetime is emergent.</p> <p>Reference:<br /> 1) <a href="; </div></div></div><div class="field field-name-field-tags field-type-taxonomy-term-reference field-label-above clearfix"><h3 class="field-label">Tags: </h3><ul class="links"><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-0" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/123" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">God</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-1" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/53" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">space</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-2" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/54" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">time</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-3" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/259" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Spacetime</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-4" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/269" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Non-spatiotemporal</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-5" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/145" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Big Bang</a></li></ul></div> Mon, 14 Jun 2021 14:05:06 +0000 Himangsu Sekhar Pal 591 at /?q=node/591#comments God is not Purely Imaginary /?q=node/589 <div class="field field-name-body field-type-text-with-summary field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even" property="content:encoded"><p>God is not purely imaginary, because God has also been described as spaceless and timeless.</p> <p>In this 21st century, physicists are no longer saying that spacetime is fundamental; rather, they are saying that it is emergent. </p> <p>If an entity is emergent, then in general, that will mean these three things:<br /> 1) The emergent entity cannot have any existence prior to its emergence.<br /> 2) The emergent entity (A) cannot emerge from just anything or nothing; it can emerge from some particular entity or entities (B) only.<br /> 3) B must pre-exist before the emergence of A. </p> <p>The above three will also be true for emergent spacetime as well. </p> <p>Spacetime is emergent means the source from which spacetime has emerged cannot be within any spacetime, for the simple reason that there cannot be any spacetime prior to its emergence. Physicists are describing this source as non-spatiotemporal. </p> <p>'Non-spatiotemporal' is the new scientific term for the old term 'spaceless and timeless'. The special theory of relativity has combined the two separate entities space and time into one single entity: spacetime. So, scientists can no longer use the old term ‘spaceless and timeless’; instead, they use the new term ‘non-spatiotemporal’. </p> <p>So, emergent spacetime has shown that there is something spaceless and timeless (aka, non-spatiotemporal) in nature from which our known spacetime has emerged. </p> <p>This is the objectively real part in man's imagination of God.</p> <p>As we have come to know that spacetime is not fundamental but emergent, so some questions arise here that are given below: </p> <p>1) Was spacetime fundamental or emergent when the universe began to expand from the Big Bang?<br /> 2) If it was fundamental, then is there any scientific evidence in support of it? If yes, then how did scientists get that evidence? And also, from where did they get that evidence?<br /> 3) If it was fundamental, then how and when has it become emergent by losing its fundamental nature?<br /> 4) However, if it was emergent, then would it not require the prior presence of NSE from which only it could emerge? </p> <p>Moreover, if an entity is emergent, then how can it be the case that it was fundamental at an earlier time, and that it has become emergent afterwards by losing its fundamental nature? Would it not be more reasonable to assume that if it is emergent now, then earlier also it was emergent, and that it will remain so in future as well? </p> <p>One can easily understand what will be the implication of this. Spacetime being emergent, would require the prior presence of this NSE for its emergence from it, when the universe began expanding from the Big Bang. </p> <p>In the CCC model of Roger Penrose, this NSE would have to be eternal and everlasting, because every time a big bang has occurred or will occur, whether in the infinite past, or in the far distant future, spacetime would have required, or would require, the prior presence of this NSE for its emergence from it.</p> </div></div></div><div class="field field-name-field-tags field-type-taxonomy-term-reference field-label-above clearfix"><h3 class="field-label">Tags: </h3><ul class="links"><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-0" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/123" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">God</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-1" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/53" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">space</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-2" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/54" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">time</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-3" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/121" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Spaceless</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-4" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/122" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Timeless</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-5" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/145" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Big Bang</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-6" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/269" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Non-spatiotemporal</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-7" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/317" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Roger Penrose</a></li></ul></div> Wed, 24 Mar 2021 10:33:55 +0000 Himangsu Sekhar Pal 589 at /?q=node/589#comments The Ultimate Justification for a Creator /?q=node/588 <div class="field field-name-body field-type-text-with-summary field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even" property="content:encoded"><p>Part I</p> <p>Two reasons can be given as to why an entity may be spaceless and timeless: </p> <p>1) Reason A: If the entity is not within any space and time, then it will naturally be spaceless and timeless. We can also say that it will be spaceless and timeless by default; </p> <p>2) Reason B: If the entity is placed within some space and time, and if it is forcefully deprived of space and time, then also it will become spaceless and timeless. </p> <p>For 1), we can give the example of the entity from which our known spacetime has emerged. In this 21st century, physicists are no more saying that spacetime is fundamental; rather, they are saying it is emergent. Spacetime is emergent means the source from which spacetime has emerged cannot be within any spacetime, for the simple reason that there cannot be any spacetime prior to its emergence. So, not being within any spacetime, it will naturally be spaceless and timeless. However, physicists are describing it not as spaceless and timeless, but as non-spatiotemporal. Whatever may be the nomenclature, the concept remains the same in both cases; the source from which spacetime has emerged is not within any spacetime and so, it is naturally non-spatiotemporal/spaceless and timeless. </p> <p>For 2), we can give the example of black hole singularities. Earlier, it was known to us that black hole singularities were point-like. Now it has been known that they are not point-like but rather one dimensional ring-like. In case of black hole singularities, whether they are point-like or ring-like, space and time almost contract to zero due to a tremendous gravitational force. </p> <p>Now suppose there is one more entity within the universe that is also spaceless and timeless, but for which neither Reason A nor Reason B can be thought of as its cause. Here I am speaking about light. Light is within the universe, but as per SR both the travel distance and the travel time become zero for light. So, within the space and time of the universe, light occupies zero space for zero time, which is tantamount to saying that light is spaceless and timeless. </p> <p>Can we say that light is spaceless and timeless due to Reason A? No, we cannot say so, because we know very well that light is within the space and time of the universe. </p> <p>Can we say that light is spaceless and timeless due to Reason B? No, we cannot say so, because we are not aware of any force that is active in case of light causing space and time contract to zero for light. </p> <p>If light is spaceless and timeless neither due to Reason A, nor due to Reason B, then what is the reason due to which it is so? </p> <p>Moreover, no black hole is as big as the universe. So, the length that is almost contracted to zero in case of black hole singularities is nothing compared to the entire width of the universe. But for light, the entire width of the universe is contracted to zero. If a tremendous gravitational force is responsible for the contraction of a black hole’s size of length almost to zero, then which force is responsible for the contraction of the entire width of the universe to zero, in case of light? </p> <p>Does anyone have a clue about it? Can anybody say what the cause is due to which light is spaceless and timeless?</p> <p> Part II</p> <p>I have already stated that we do not know the reason due to which light is spaceless and timeless. But, whatever may be the reason of this, it can be shown that this reason cannot lie within the space and time of the universe. </p> <p>Let us suppose that X is that reason and that X is within the universe. If X is not spaceless and timeless itself, then it is not possible for it to make another entity spaceless and timeless. So, X must have to be spaceless and timeless first, and then only it can make another entity spaceless and timeless. But, if X is also spaceless and timeless, then we will have to ask the same question about X that we were earlier asking about light: Being already placed within the space and time of the universe, how has it become spaceless and timeless? So, now we will have to search for the cause due to which X has become spaceless and timeless. Therefore, from this we can conclude that the cause due to which light is spaceless and timeless cannot lie within the space and time of the universe. It must lie outside any space and time. </p> <p>The only entity that we know of that lies outside any space and time is the source from which our known spacetime has emerged. The existence of this entity in nature has already been confirmed once physicists have declared that spacetime is emergent. So, here is one entity that is spaceless and timeless by default, and for which we need not have to seek any further cause due to which it has become spaceless and timeless, because we already know that it is not within any space and time. </p> <p>Now, if scientists can somehow show that this lifeless, mindless, and unconscious entity but that happens to be spaceless and timeless simply by default, can NATURALLY make another entity (aka light) spaceless and timeless, then this universe WILL NEVER NEED ANY GOD. </p> <p>However, if they fail to do so, then only we will be compelled to posit some sort of consciousness here, because it is possible for a conscious being only to know how it is spaceless and timeless. </p> <p>Science is the ultimate arbiter of truth and so, let science show that there is a natural explanation here. </p> <p>We will be waiting for that explanation.</p> </div></div></div><div class="field field-name-field-tags field-type-taxonomy-term-reference field-label-above clearfix"><h3 class="field-label">Tags: </h3><ul class="links"><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-0" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/123" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">God</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-1" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/113" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Universe</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-2" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/52" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Light</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-3" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/53" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">space</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-4" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/54" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">time</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-5" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/121" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Spaceless</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-6" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/122" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Timeless</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-7" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/316" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Black Hole Singularity</a></li></ul></div> Mon, 01 Mar 2021 14:50:52 +0000 Himangsu Sekhar Pal 588 at /?q=node/588#comments Do time and distance really shrink to zero at light-speed? /?q=node/587 <div class="field field-name-body field-type-text-with-summary field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even" property="content:encoded"><p>So far as I can remember, there are these two equations in Einstein’s special theory of relativity:<br /> l1 = l(1-v2/c2)1/2……. (1)<br /> t1 = t((1-v2/c2)1/2……. (2)</p> <p>From the above two equations, two conclusions can be drawn that are as follows:<br /> 1) Time and distance are not absolute, they are relative;<br /> 2) At light speed, both travel time and travel distance become zero. </p> <p>Now reality may be such that<br /> 1) Time and distance are only relative, but in no circumstances they become zero (A);<br /> 2) Time and distance are not only relative but at one particular case, they also become zero (B). </p> <p>If reality is A, then the above two equations are not required at all to represent that reality; it can be equally represented by the following two equations:<br /> l1 = l(1-v2/xc2)1/2……. (3)<br /> t1 = t((1-v2/xc2)1/2……. (4) </p> <p>In (3) and (4) above, x will have a value greater than one but less than infinity. But it cannot have a value equal to one or infinity. If the value of x is one, then we will go back to Einstein’s equations, whereas if its value equals infinity, then we will have Newton’s equations instead. From (3) and (4) above, it can clearly be seen that time and distance will be relative as before, but they will never be zero even at the speed of light due to the presence of the factor 1/x in the equations. </p> <p>Now, I know very well that it is not possible to experimentally demonstrate what is actually happening at the speed of light and so, it is reasonable to doubt whether time and distance really shrink to zero at light-speed. However, there is an alternate way to verify it.</p> <p>Suppose scientists have repeated the Michelson-Morley experiment or any newer version of it, and suppose that they have arrived at equations (3) and (4) instead of equations (1) and (2). Then, based on these two equations (3) and (4), they can say that the shrinkage of time and distance to zero at light-speed is only a myth.</p> <p>But, nature knows better than any one of us what is actually happening at the speed of light and so, whenever an actual experiment is performed with light and an interferometer, it is always returning us equations (1) and (2) only and not equations (3) and (4) even for a single time. This is nature’s indirect way to inform us that we are not doing any mistake when we are saying that time and distance become zero for light. </p> <p>Scientists usually do not question this and so, we can find such statements in their writings on SR:<br /> 1) ‘For the light itself, the whole universe is only zero millimeters long.’ – Sascha Vongehr, in The Fundamental Nature of Light, Science 2.0 (February 3rd, 2011);<br /> 2) ‘At the speed of light there’s no time to cover any distance, but there’s also no distance to cover.’ – Ask a Mathematician/Ask a Physicist</p> <p>There is a reason as to why scientists do not question this. The reason is that they know very well that they are in the domain of physics, and not in the domain of metaphysics. In the domain of physics, if they want to challenge something, then they cannot do so by using logic and reason only. Rather, they will have to experimentally demonstrate that that particular thing is wrong; they will have to experimentally demonstrate that equations (1) and (2) must be replaced by equations (3) and (4). So far, no one has been able to do this. So far, no one has been able to falsify SR. </p> <p>There is one more reason why we can say that time and distance indeed shrink to zero at light-speed. Main-stream physicists are now saying that spacetime is not fundamental, but emergent. Spacetime is emergent means the source from which spacetime has emerged cannot be within any spacetime, for the simple reason that there cannot be any spacetime prior to its emergence. So, by stating that spacetime is emergent, physicists have already acknowledged the existence of something spaceless and timeless in nature from which our known spacetime has emerged. I know that physicists are describing this source as non-spatiotemporal, but I also know this that ‘non-spatiotemporal’ is only a new scientific term that replaces our old term ‘spaceless and timeless.’ If there is something spaceless and timeless in nature, then it is quite obvious that science would show how anything can be spaceless and timeless, because it is the job of science to provide an explanation for every phenomenon, event and effect in nature. In SR, we get those requisite explanations for spacelessness and timelessness. So, although we cannot directly verify whether time and distance really shrink to zero at light-speed, yet we can say that emergent spacetime is an indirect validation of it.</p> <p>Addendum:<br /> [Once I posted a question in a Facebook Discussion Group (Great Philosophical Questions): ‘If God does not exist, then it can be said that it is the big bang that has brought everyone and everything within the universe into existence. Whatever has been brought into existence by the big bang has been given certain life-span. Many stars in the sky have a life-span of several billion years; we human beings have a life-span of a few decades; some insects have a life-span of a single day only. Can we think of anything that has also been brought into existence by the big bang, but that has been given no life-span?’</p> <p>One commentator Race Dowling replied to the above with this: ‘What you are asking in essence is if anyone provide an example of something that exists that never existed. The answer to that is no.’</p> <p>Me to Race Dowling: ‘You have correctly understood my question, but your answer was incorrect. It is a fact of nature that light has also been brought into existence, but that light has been given no lifetime. As per SR, the travel time and travel distance become zero for light and so, light occupies zero space for zero time. This is as good as saying that light does not exist. But, on the other hand, we cannot see anything without light.’</p> <p>Race Dowling to me: ‘It is a legitimate conjecture that photons have no spatial dimensions along their path of travel making them essentially two dimensional, but it hasn’t been proved. (I wish it were because I postulated that in grad school). Likewise baryons have the appearance of being 4 dimensional as they have spins of ½, you need to rotate them 730 degrees to see the same face. All of these dimensional conjectures are controversial and have their detractors.’ </p> <p>So, I have to write this article in order to making it clear to Dowling that the shrinkage of time and distance to zero at light-speed is neither conjectural nor controversial, after reading which he could not utter a single word against my rebuttal.]</p> </div></div></div><div class="field field-name-field-tags field-type-taxonomy-term-reference field-label-above clearfix"><h3 class="field-label">Tags: </h3><ul class="links"><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-0" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/168" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Einstein</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-1" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/116" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Special theory of relativity</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-2" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/315" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Sascha Vongehr</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-3" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/53" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">space</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-4" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/54" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">time</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-5" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/259" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Spacetime</a></li></ul></div> Mon, 15 Feb 2021 13:17:16 +0000 Himangsu Sekhar Pal 587 at /?q=node/587#comments

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