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Comments on: Twins trade Liriano to White Sox for Escobar and Hernandez Baseball news, insight and analysis from Aaron Gleeman Fri, 01 May 2026 05:19:27 +0000 hourly 1 By: MickChuck #comment-12621 Thu, 02 Aug 2012 16:00:43 +0000 The only part of me that is disspointed about Liriano trade is the reaction from everyone. If you remove the sterling season of 2006, which Frankie clearly is no longer that pitcher, you have a pitcher with a career ERA of 4.90 and a record that is 9 games under .500. You basically have Edwin Jackson or worse. If you take a step back look at what Frankie really is at this point in career, it isn’t that bad of a trade. If Don can turn him into functional pitcher again, then we need to take a long hard look at replacing our pitching coach–which might not be a bad idea anyway. ]]> By: mazeville #comment-12513 Mon, 30 Jul 2012 20:26:55 +0000 @Toby: You’re kidding yourself if you think Liriano’s trade value would get a “bump” with one start. It’s certainly not going to bring in a sudden haul. The best that could happen is that some teams would get desperate. The problem with that is that there are a number of other pitchers on the market. And if there was a potential bump, there would be an equal decline in value with a bad start. He could also get injured. They took the best offer they had. It sucks, especially because he’s so talented. In the end, we’re talking about, at best, a bump up from marginal prospects to slightly less marginal prospects. None of the players were talking about in even the best case scenario is anywhere close to a difference maker. They got something. They got a pitcher who will likely be a lefty reliever. And they got a utility player with an extremely good glove. Not great. I’m not exactly jumping for joy, either. But I think in this case the Twins should get the benefit of the doubt. They did what they had to do. Incidentally, I’m 100 percent sure that, if you walked into Twins offices today and talked privately with the front office, they’d say that they’re disappointed with the return, too. Liriano was a risky asset. If I sold you a television, and told you that it only works from time to time, you’d pay me less for it and then hope you can figure out how to fix the thing. ]]> By: toby #comment-12510 Mon, 30 Jul 2012 19:18:09 +0000 David: I was at that game too. Mazeville: I absolutely do NOT assume that. I am saying: if he were bad again, SO WHAT? They didn’t get anything of value. But if he were good, two things happen. One: he was good, so his value gets a bump. You can argue it would be small. I disagree, but fine. However: Two: they actually come up against the deadline, and teams are forced to make real “final offers”. If these two things added up to “no better offer” or even “no offer, period,” SO. WHAT? They didn’t get a worthwhile player for him. They got a pitcher with anemic milb strikeout rates and sky-high flyball rates. IOW, they got a guy who is overwhelmingly likely to be a terrible MLB pitcher. Just as he was in his sole run-out as a White Sox starter. Oh yes: and they got a fungible good glove, no-hit replacement player. ]]> By: jfs #comment-12507 Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:45:27 +0000 I read the news of Francisco Liriano’s trade early Sunday, and I was struck with a good amount of sadness. I was reminded that the Twins were truly a special team during the 2002-2010 seasons. Frankie’s departure is yet another sign of change in the Twins’ roster. Ortiz, Pierzynski, Koskie, Hunter, Radke, Santana, Redmond, Jones, Thome, Crain, Kubel, Cuddyer, and Nathan are just a few former players who made the Twins exciting and gave the team its character over the last decade. And now Liriano. The Twins are no longer a small-market, low-revenue team. So, I found it odd that an extension for Liriano was not even offered. I can’t figure out the direction Terry Ryan wants to take with this current team. But, to be honest, many of us fans are losing interest. We were spoiled with very good teams during 2002-2010. The current Twins just don’t inspire much of anything. ]]> By: mike wants wins #comment-12506 Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:16:01 +0000 I too am a fan of Liriano, and will miss the times he just dominates. It’s fun to watch great pitching. As for the trade, it’s over now. I just hope that the team realizes that to get value, you need to give up value. And, I think they need to trade for some legit pitching, so I hope they deal from strength and deal some OFing for some SPing. ]]> By: Kavan #comment-12505 Mon, 30 Jul 2012 16:40:42 +0000 I’ve been reading this blog since 2005 and this is my first post…. I, for one, am a bit disappointed, but maybe for different reasons. I wasn’t expecting much of a return for Liraino, but I’m pretty sure I’m in small company when I say Liriano is (was) my favorite Twin. I’ll never forget his 2006 season when he was the best pitcher on a team that produced the Cy Young award winner. When he took the mound that year you knew the Twins were going to win, period. I know he’s never been the same but I love watching him pitch, you never know what you get, sometimes you get 3 innings of disaster, sometimes you get a no-hitter. I also know that his inconsistency is difficult to manage but it was fun, I loved watching his slider when he was on. I can’t help but wonder what could have been if the pitching staff hadn’t tried to get him to ‘pitch to contact’ if those rumors are in fact true. I understand it makes managerial sense to get rid of Liriano but I can’t help being disappointed that he’s gone. I wish he hadn’t gone to my least favorite team. And I might be alone in saying this but I’ll be a lifetime Liriano fan. I wish him the best, and if I could, I’d thank him for the show he put on in 2006 that I’ll never forget. ]]> By: spoof bonser #comment-12504 Mon, 30 Jul 2012 16:29:53 +0000 This just in: Twins wait to trade players until value is rock bottom (see Delbert Young, Kevin Slowey, Jim Thome, insert other name here) This patten keeps on a rolling and that is why Willingham is off the table. Not a bad thing in light of the Twins scouting system. GM’s from around the league have to be trying to pull off some amazing trades with the Twins right now, get while the getting is good! ]]> By: mazeville #comment-12503 Mon, 30 Jul 2012 16:23:27 +0000 @Toby: Your argument assumes that Liriano has a good start. But what if he has a bad one? Also, most teams, including the White Sox, understand that one bad start is just that: one bad start. The problem wasn’t the bad start. It was the fact that he’s had so MANY of those bad starts. And one good start wasn’t going to repair that reputation. It certainly wasn’t going to suddenly propel his value. Look, I’m disappointed at the return myself — it’s little more than a bag of balls and an expired ticket to the Illinois State Fair. But it IS better than nothing. And at this point, we just have to accept it. If you wanted more in a trade of Liriano, you should argue that the Twins should have traded in spring training 2011 when his value was highest. ]]> By: Jacob #comment-12501 Mon, 30 Jul 2012 15:12:09 +0000 Terry Ryan is an old school GM in a new school world. I think the Twins needs to hire a new GM from outside the organization, maybe the Rays asst GM? ]]> By: Mike #comment-12500 Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:51:26 +0000 He was gone anyway, didn’t expect top prospects for him. Maybe they turn into Punto, Duensing 2.0 that’d be better than a poke in the eye. ]]>


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Comments on: Liam Hendriks vs. Pitcher X (and a podcast update) Baseball news, insight and analysis from Aaron Gleeman Fri, 01 May 2026 05:19:27 +0000 hourly 1 By: jenelllage #comment-39693 Mon, 04 Jul 2016 07:36:00 +0000 Hi, my partner filled out a blank NY LT-N-NP copy at this place . ]]> By: Micaela Wurm #comment-39691 Mon, 04 Jul 2016 02:47:00 +0000 Helpful article . I learned a lot from the points – Does someone know where my company could get access to a blank NY LT-N-NP example to fill in ? ]]> By: jim cowling #comment-13211 Tue, 11 Sep 2012 18:58:01 +0000 Am i safe in counting on Deduno, DeVries and Diamond for the Twins Rotation Next Year? Where will the other two spots come from? ]]> By: Aaron #comment-13209 Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:33:43 +0000 Scott: I actually think MLB labor relations sound interesting (especially concerning the birth of free agency, which I assume it covers). It definitely goes on the list. Mark: Thanks for the recommendation. I’ll look into it. ]]> By: Bradley #comment-13208 Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:12:12 +0000 Thought of another question. As a fan that’s throughly fed up with the Twins “training” staff what do you think should be done going forward? Who would decide whether they get to keep their jobs? Personally I’d like to see all of them on gov’t cheese since they can’t decide to put anyone on the disabled list until 10 days in. ]]> By: Paul E Walnuts #comment-13207 Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:10:47 +0000 Parmelee’s been killing it lately, but I remain skeptical that it will continue. Does he have any value to other teams? Since a Morneau trade seems unlikely due to his salary, and a 1B prospect isn’t exactly a rare find, why not see what you can get for Parmelee? I doubt he would ever be worth more than he is now. Morneau’s been on the uptick the second half of the season, and if he can can continue to improve maybe the Twins can get a few good years out of him yet. Maybe Sano will be able to take over once Morneau’s run is over. ]]> By: Jon #comment-13206 Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:37:44 +0000 Can Ben Revere stick as a full time leadoff hitter next year if Span were not on the roster? His OBP is slightly above leage average this year. In your opinions, can he do that well or better next season? ]]> By: Mark #comment-13204 Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:17:22 +0000 Book Recommendation: Why Time Begins on Opening Day by Thomas Boswell ]]> By: Mark #comment-13203 Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:14:27 +0000 1. What do you think the 25 player roster would look like next year (assuming no free agent additions) based on what we know today? 2. I have been impressed by Fien, Robertson (how big is he?) and to a lesser extent with Waldrop–with Burton and Perkins; do we have a bullpen now? 3. My fear from your critical comments (many justified) is that the Twins’ scouts, medical staff and managers are like the people depicted in Money Ball; do you think that fear is justified? (e.g., let’s not add that player because his girlfriend is only a ‘6’ and that shows that he lacks self confidence). ]]> By: Dave #comment-13202 Tue, 11 Sep 2012 16:11:53 +0000 I don’t think Diamond’s on the bubble – I think he’s earned a spot in the rotation next year. He’s had three rough starts in a row, but prior to that had 19 starts with a 2.95 ERA, 15 of which were quality starts. I don’t think 3 bad outings undoes 15 quality starts. ]]>


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Comments on: Twins trade Denard Span to Nationals for pitching prospect Alex Meyer Baseball news, insight and analysis from Aaron Gleeman Fri, 01 May 2026 05:19:27 +0000 hourly 1 By: Large Canine #comment-24385 Mon, 03 Dec 2012 16:43:46 +0000 The Twins will pay 4.2575 mil less in CF playing Revere over Span. (Span 4.75 mil/Revere $492,500) The savings can (and looks like will) be used on pitching. We lose very little replacing Span with Revere and now our BA looks better with Parmalee as the everyday RF. Overall OF defense will probably suffer a bit but we need runs and pitching. Good trade overall. ]]> By: Deduno Abides #comment-23166 Fri, 30 Nov 2012 23:53:43 +0000 Below are the BA 2006 Top Prospects #s 40-80 that are pitchers are below. 24 total. More than 40% of the names are recognizable. 5 of them (Sanchez, Weaver, Hamels, Gonzalez, Johnson) have had high upsides. There are also other successful major leaguers, such as Volquez, Danks, Broxton, Niemann, Hammel. This isn’t a guarantee, but the list shows more optimism for an upside than some of the doubters have stated. 40. Anibal Sanchez, rhp, Marlins 41. Anthony Reyes, rhp, Cardinals 44. Mark Rogers, rhp, Brewers 45. Adam Loewen, lhp, Orioles 47. Adam Miller, rhp, Indians 48. Dustin McGowan, rhp, Blue Jays 52. Jason Hirsh, rhp, Astros 53. Jeremy Sowers, lhp, Indians 54. Craig Hansen, rhp, Red Sox 55. Scott Elbert, lhp, Dodgers 56. Edison Volquez, rhp, Rangers 57. Jered Weaver, rhp, Angels 59. John Danks, lhp, Rangers 62. Troy Patton, lhp, Astros 63. Jonathan Broxton, rhp, Dodgers 67. Dustin Nippert, rhp, Diamondbacks 68. Cole Hamels, lhp, Phillies 69. Yusmeiro Petit, rhp, Marlins 70. Jeff Niemann, rhp, Devil Rays 72. Thomas Diamond, rhp, Rangers 73. Gio Gonzalez, lhp, Phillies 79. Jason Hammel, rhp, Devil Rays 80. Josh Johnson, rhp, Marlins Side note – could probably make a pretty good team with the #s 40-80 prospects that were non-pitchers (Matt Moses excepted, of course). Does Kubel even make the starting line-up? 42. Russell Martin, c, Dodgers 43. Neil Walker, c, Pirates 46. Erick Aybar, ss, Angels 49. Ryan Braun, 3b, Brewers 50. Andrew McCutchen, of, Pirates 51. Brian Anderson, of, White Sox 58. Jason Kubel, of, Twins 60. Jeff Mathis, c, Angels 61. Elvis Andrus, ss, Braves 64. Adam Jones, of/ss, Mariners 65. Marcus Sanders, ss/2b, Giants 66. Kenji Johjima, c, Mariners 71. Brad Snyder, of, Indians 74. Javier Herrera, of, Athletics 75. Matt Moses, 3b, Twins 76. Jay Bruce, of, Reds 77. Dustin Pedroia, 2b/ss, Red Sox 78. Kendry Morales, 1b, Angels ]]> By: thegeneral13 #comment-23163 Fri, 30 Nov 2012 21:15:12 +0000 I think it’s a combination of Upton’s greater upside and Span’s greater catastrophic injury risk. But yeah, it’s a nice pick up for the Nats relative to the free agent options that are available. As for Meyer, though he is “just” a top 50-75 prospect, those lists are pretty fluid, and if the Twins can harness his control and refine his changeup he could very well be a top 20 prospect this time next year. Those things aren’t givens, but the point is he has the raw ability to move a lot higher. He also sucked until his senior year in college and I think that weighs him down in the rankings, such that he could move quickly up lists simply by continuing to perform this year. ]]> By: Brian #comment-23162 Fri, 30 Nov 2012 20:41:02 +0000 The Twins have a better chance of winning the World Series in the next 10 years doing this trade than keeping Span. I’d agree with that. I just think they should have been able to do better. It’s odd to me that BJ Upton gets $75M over 5 years, but Span, who is signed for $11M over 2 years with an option to make it $20M over 3 years only fetches a single prospect outside the top 20 prospects. I know Upton hits 20-30 HRs, but he also hits .240 with a lower OBP than Span, and Span is probably the better defender. ]]> By: thegeneral13 #comment-23160 Fri, 30 Nov 2012 19:46:26 +0000 I generally agree with that, Brian. A healthy Span is likely to create more excess value during his current contract than the average of 100 Meyers would while under Twins control. But that’s if Span’s healthy, and if he didn’t have a serious brain injury history the Twins would have gotten more. If you pretend that risk doesn’t exist, I agree the Nats won this trade in a bubble. However, the combination of that major health risk and the fact that the Twins won’t be in position to take advantage of Span outplaying his contract until it’s expired anyway makes this a good trade for the Twins. ]]> By: Brian #comment-23159 Fri, 30 Nov 2012 18:23:39 +0000 0.357 is a career OBP ]]> By: Brian #comment-23158 Fri, 30 Nov 2012 18:23:03 +0000 I get the math, but Span isn’t a $1 lotto ticket. If Hamels is the $100, the chances are probably more like 3-5%, and Span (and his 50 cents on the dollar contract) is more like $10 cash. Not that Span is guaranteed to get his projected 10 wins above replacement over the next 3 years, but I’d take a projected 10 WAR at $20M over the lotto ticket that is a non-elite pitching prospect. Hamels was paid $22M in his cost controlled years, and contributed about 23 WAR. Clearly a good deal. that’s 15-20 more WAR than they would have otherwise probably have gotten with that $22M. But again… this is a 1-in-20 scenario. For every Cole Hamels, there’s 10 Adam Johnsons. And I know it’s not Hamels or bust. There’s guys like Gavin Floyd, too. I get the Twins situation (having Revere, and not really having a team that can contend next year), but I still think the trade favors the Nats in a bubble. ]]> By: thedaimajin #comment-23157 Fri, 30 Nov 2012 18:10:43 +0000 What 2012 stats are you using Aaron? All the websites list Span’s 2012 OBP as .342 not .357. Twins definitely dealt from an area of strength, would have liked to get a closer mlb ready player though. ]]> By: thegeneral13 #comment-23156 Fri, 30 Nov 2012 18:01:47 +0000 That’s just the nature of prospects. Most of the players contribute nothing, but those who do contribute enough value that the cohort itself is very valuable. You say only 5-10% are the Wainwrights and Hamels’s, but 6 years of a cost-controlled Hamels has many, many times the economic value of Span (even with Span under a team friendly contract). Put it this way – would you buy a $1 lotto ticket if you had a 10% chance of winning $100 and a 90% chance of winning nothing? You should, even though there’s a 90% chance you’d walk away with nothing and regret “wasting” your dollar. ]]> By: Brian #comment-23154 Fri, 30 Nov 2012 17:21:48 +0000 Go to this website: pick a year at random (prior to 2005 so there’s a track record), and go through the 40-80 range that Alex Meyer is allegedly in. You won’t recognize 60% of the pitcher names. Now there’s some Wainwrights and Hamels out there too, but those guys make up about 5-10%. ]]>


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Comments on: Gleeman and The Geek #84: Aaron Hicks, Bar Dreams, and Over/Under Baseball news, insight and analysis from Aaron Gleeman Fri, 01 May 2026 05:19:27 +0000 hourly 1 By: Mason Turner #comment-1467355 Sat, 31 May 2025 23:44:38 +0000 Advanced loyalty programs go beyond basic bonuses, offering tiered systems with escalating rewards. In the Arab market, VIP clubs often include exclusive events, personalized support, faster withdrawals, and even offline perks. Such incentives motivate high-value users to stay committed to a single platform over time. ]]> By: OscarGreen #comment-1432829 Mon, 11 Nov 2024 01:51:02 +0000 Très intéressant article ! Vous avez abordé la scène des paris sportifs en Afrique de manière très détaillée. Je vais appliquer vos conseils pour mes paris sur le football , le basket-ball et même les compétitions locales. Cela me permet de mieux comprendre le marché africain et de parier de manière plus réfléchie. ]]> By: AM. #comment-35130 Thu, 14 Mar 2013 12:28:28 +0000 Couple of angles on the Hicks deal I think you didn’t mention: 1)If he starts at MLB and hits .175 for a month, do they send him down? It turns into a disaster. If, on the other hand, he starts in AAA and hits .175 or .400, the result is easy either way. 2)Starting him at MLB because he is the best option…ok, but really? He may have the best long-term prospect to excel at CF for the Twins, but I have serious doubts about a rookie skipping AAA putting up significantly better performances for a month+ to make a difference in the team’s win total. It’s a no-brainer to me. ]]>


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Comments on: Twins Notes: Four hits, two strikes, leading off, and mystery pitchers Baseball news, insight and analysis from Aaron Gleeman Fri, 01 May 2026 05:19:27 +0000 hourly 1 By: BC #comment-36440 Wed, 17 Apr 2013 21:19:47 +0000 Mark R — Exactly! And ESPECIALLY after it was sabermetrics and non-traditional stats (wins) that resulted in Bert’s entry into the HOF (e.g., the California asset manager who started the push for Bert HOF many years ago) ]]> By: Brendan #comment-36437 Wed, 17 Apr 2013 19:26:33 +0000 Thanks Aaron… especially for reminding me what a terrific, underrated player Lenny Green was. ]]> By: JS #comment-36431 Wed, 17 Apr 2013 17:26:02 +0000 That catcher framing article is fascinating. However, I still wish it weren’t a thing. #robotsnow ]]> By: tborg #comment-36428 Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:44:03 +0000 The discussion of lead-off hitters was fascinating. Pedro Munoz was a lead off hitter over 60 times? Hosken Powell! Ah, the memories. I also thought it was interesting that Knoblauch was among the leaders. I recall that, for at least the first 2 years of his career, Kelly always batted him second (the whole batting a middle infielder in the 2 spot had its genesis with Kelly, I think). Gladden, with his remarkably inferior OBP and base running skills, continued to be the leadoff hitter long past the time when it was obvious that Knoblauch would do a better job. ]]> By: D Wags #comment-36427 Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:25:14 +0000 The Retrosheet for the last link states that Blyleven picked up the “ball” not the “bat” as is stated in the article. Either way, brings to mind a pretty hilarious image ]]> By: wheatenwade #comment-36425 Wed, 17 Apr 2013 16:18:11 +0000 Mastroianni’s injury seems like the same pattern we’ve seen over the past few years, where the Twins refuse to put a player on the DL after an initial injury, then the player eventually ends up on the DL anyway after a few weeks of hobbling around. Given that the head trainer was fired last fall, is it correct to assume that management and Gardy are the ones pushing this philosophy? Or maybe it’s still just poor injury diagnosis. Either way, the problem still persists. ]]> By: Mark F #comment-36422 Wed, 17 Apr 2013 15:15:29 +0000 I found the answer to my own question. Hicks needs to be sent down for 20 days in order to keep him under team control for 2019. Twins would be crazy not to do it. ]]> By: spoofbonser #comment-36421 Wed, 17 Apr 2013 15:04:20 +0000 Billy is right about the Twins making the right call with Hicks, and it’s hard to argue with the results, right Billy? what is he again, 2 for 50? ]]> By: Billy #comment-36419 Wed, 17 Apr 2013 14:45:48 +0000 Twins made the right call with Hicks, if you don’t try to put the best team on the field it creates an apathetic environment in the clubhouse, and that can have lasting effects. Service time is important, but if Hicks proves to be a worthy MLB center fielder the Twins will re-sign him and non of this will matter. If he continues to struggle and becomes the second coming of Gomez he’ll be traded in 2-3 years for whatever he’s worth. ]]> By: Mark F #comment-36416 Wed, 17 Apr 2013 14:11:50 +0000 You wrote in the service time post that Hicks needed to stay in the Minors for a month to delay his service time. Are you sure that’s correct? A year of MLB service time is 172 days, and by my count the regular season is 183 days long this year. That means the Twins only need to send him down for 12 days in order to keep him under control through 2019, right? ]]>

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