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11Prompt - Origin of the Universe /?q=taxonomy/term/133 en When Can Science Say It Doesn't Need God? /?q=node/607 <div class="field field-name-body field-type-text-with-summary field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even" property="content:encoded"><p>In a post on a Facebook discussion forum, a commenter wrote: "All I know is that there is no place for God in any scientific theory." The response I gave him is provided here:</p> <p>“You know this much, but you do not know the whole story. Scientists do not pay much attention to philosophers, but they highly respect one philosopher, and that philosopher is Hume. He stated that we cannot leap to the conclusion, based on a limited number of past observations, that what happened in the past will continue to happen in the future. No matter how many times we have seen 'A' happen in the past, we have always seen 'B' follow immediately after 'A'. From this, we cannot draw the conclusion that every time we see 'A' happen in the future, we will see 'B' follow 'A'. In the future, it could very well happen that 'A' is observed, but 'B' does not follow 'A'.</p> <p>“You wrote that there is no place for God in any scientific theory. It is true that, until now, science has not needed God. However, you cannot use your current knowledge to prophesy that science will never need God in the future. You are not an astrologer or a fortune-teller that you can make such a prediction—or that even if you do make a prediction, it will turn out to be completely accurate.</p> <p>“Only if science can one day explain everything from the origin of the universe to everything that has happened, is happening, and will happen in this universe, without bringing in an imaginary God, can science confidently claim that it has no need for God.</p> <p>“However, if it is ultimately found that there remains a gap somewhere in the scientific explanation, and despite thousands of years of effort, that gap cannot be filled by any scientific explanation, then questions will begin to arise about whether what science has assumed as an axiom until now is actually true. Science assumes that it does not need to go outside of nature to explain the world. That very assumption of science will then be called into question.</p> <p>“German scientist Sabine Hossenfelder wrote in one of her blog posts that it might take one thousand years to get answers to all of science's questions. It would be wise to wait until then.”</p> </div></div></div><div class="field field-name-field-tags field-type-taxonomy-term-reference field-label-above clearfix"><h3 class="field-label">Tags: </h3><ul class="links"><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-0" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/123" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">God</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-1" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/347" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Hume</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-2" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/328" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Sabine Hossenfelder</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-3" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/348" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Scientific explanation</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-4" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/133" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Origin of the Universe</a></li></ul></div> Sat, 20 Jun 2026 18:16:40 +0000 Himangsu Sekhar Pal 607 at /?q=node/607#comments On Infinite Regress /?q=node/562 <div class="field field-name-body field-type-text-with-summary field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even" property="content:encoded"><p>In the article Existence of anything ultimately points to God1 I have shown that if anything exists at all, then ultimately there will have to be something that will be neither in space nor in time, as otherwise there will be an infinite regress.</p> <p>When I have posted this article in one YouTube comment thread, one commentator has asked the following question: ‘Why must we “stop an infinite regress”? </p> <p>He has also remarked that as far as he can tell, ALL discussions of origins, purpose and meaning, eventually would lead to infinite regress if one cannot simply accept reality as it appears to be.</p> <p>He is the same person who in another occasion has written that in Krauss’ hypothesis (A universe from nothing: Why there is something rather than nothing) it is required that reality must have an underlying nature that would include the laws of quantum mechanics, but that Krauss cannot explain why such laws should exist when there would be nothing. He has also written that like theists Krauss also runs into the problem that all explanations of origin would ultimately lead to infinite regress. He has written that no matter how the scientists explain the origin of the universe, it would have to be in terms of some pre-existing condition or entity, which leads to the question of why that is the way it is, and whatever explains that would then need to be explained.2</p> <p>So the reason he has asked the above question is quite apparent. It is due to the sad realization that even the scientific explanation for the origin of the universe has failed to keep itself free from the infinite regress problem that is a real bug in the theistic explanation, because in the later case nobody knows why God would have to be always there or where did God come from. In the scientific explanation also one has to assume that quantum laws were already there but nobody can explain why that would have to be so. So the scientific explanation is no better than the theistic explanation in this respect, because in both the cases there would be an infinite regress. So, if we cannot stop this infinite regress in one occasion, then what is the use of trying to stop it in another occasion? </p> <p>But this person is definitely wrong here, because the question ‘who created God?’ has already been answered and thus there would be no infinite regress in the theistic explanation. We have been able to show that God is a bunch of several zeroes and everybody knows that zero does not have to come from anything. For this one can read the article ‘Who created God?’ here3.</p> <p>So it can be said that the scientific explanation for the origin of the universe still suffers from infinite regress problem, whereas the theistic explanation has overcome this problem. In that sense it can be said that the theistic explanation is much better than the scientific explanation. </p> <p>We would also say that there is no need to feel frustrated over the issue that the infinite regress problem can never be solved, because we have successfully shown that it can be solved. </p> <p>Reference:<br /> 1. <a href=" /> 2. <a href=" /> 3. <a href="; </div></div></div><div class="field field-name-field-tags field-type-taxonomy-term-reference field-label-above clearfix"><h3 class="field-label">Tags: </h3><ul class="links"><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-0" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/123" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">God</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-1" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/113" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Universe</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-2" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/133" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Origin of the Universe</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-3" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/137" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Infinite Regress</a></li></ul></div> Mon, 09 Apr 2018 06:39:06 +0000 Himangsu Sekhar Pal 562 at /?q=node/562#comments Why I am not convinced that there is no God /?q=node/547 <div class="field field-name-body field-type-text-with-summary field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even" property="content:encoded"><p>Only two things can make me convinced that there is no God:</p> <p>1) If science can show that this universe does not need any God; and<br /> 2) If science can show that God of the theistic description cannot exist.</p> <p>Regarding 1), it should be said that no one on this earth can claim that he/she is omniscient. Therefore no one on this earth can claim that he/she knows with absolutely certainty that there is no God. However scientists can come to know that there is no God if they can show that everything in this universe, including its origin also, can be explained by natural means without invoking any kind of god. No doubt this is a very lengthy process indeed, but at the end of this lengthy process one can with some certainty say that the universe does not need any God.</p> <p>However it has already been shown here1 and here2 that the origin of the universe has not been explained properly by the scientists.</p> <p>The above shows that science has not yet been able to explain everything of nature by natural means. In such a situation how will the scientists convince us that this universe does not need any God?</p> <p>Regarding 2) it may be asked: which God? This is because there are thousands of religions on earth and each religion has its own concept of God. I have already made this point clear here3.</p> <p>This God is spaceless, timeless, changeless, immortal, all-pervading, one, unborn, uncreated, without any beginning, without an end, everlasting, non-composite and immaterial.</p> <p>So in order to show that this God with the above attributes cannot exist, I think it will be sufficient for the scientists if they can somehow show that no one or nothing in this universe can be spaceless and timeless. This is because in that case it can very easily be argued that this God does not exist, because this God is said to be spaceless and timeless whereas science has shown that no one or nothing can be spaceless and timeless. But here science has done just the opposite to what it was supposed to do; it has shown how it is possible to be spaceless and timeless. That means here also science has failed in its endeavour to show that God of the theistic description cannot exist. Here their failure has a much deeper negative impact on us than their failure in the first case, because once they have shown how it is possible to be spaceless and timeless, now it becomes next to impossible for them to convince us anymore that this spaceless and timeless God cannot exist.</p> <p>Due to the above two reasons I am not yet convinced that there is no God. Scientists have failed to convince me that God does not exist.</p> <p>Reference:<br /> 1. <a href=" /> 2. <a href=" /> 3. <a href="; </div></div></div><div class="field field-name-field-tags field-type-taxonomy-term-reference field-label-above clearfix"><h3 class="field-label">Tags: </h3><ul class="links"><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-0" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/123" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">God</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-1" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/113" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Universe</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-2" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/133" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Origin of the Universe</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-3" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/121" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Spaceless</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-4" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/122" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Timeless</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-5" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/147" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Changeless</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-6" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/148" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Immortal</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-7" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/182" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Everlasting</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-8" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/149" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Immaterial</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-9" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/66" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Unborn</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-10" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/65" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Uncreated</a></li></ul></div> Sat, 18 Feb 2017 09:45:04 +0000 Himangsu Sekhar Pal 547 at /?q=node/547#comments Where Science Has Gone Wrong So Far /?q=node/522 <div class="field field-name-body field-type-text-with-summary field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even" property="content:encoded"><p>I think there are at least three cases where science has gone wrong so far.</p> <p>1) The first case is that physicists have found that the total energy of our present universe is zero. On the basis of this fact they have concluded that the entire universe has originated from nothing. But this is a wrong conclusion, because I have already shown here1 that the total energy of the universe would also be zero even if it has originated from something and not from nothing. So zero total energy cannot be the only criterion on the basis of which it can be concluded that the universe has originated from nothing.</p> <p>2) The second case is that if we take it for granted that the universe has originated from nothing, then not only its total matter and energy, but its total space-time as well have also originated from nothing. So not only its total matter and energy, but its total space-time also should always remain zero, because space, time, matter and energy-all the four of them have originated from nothing. Something can come out of nothing provided that the totality of that something always remains zero. So total space, total time, total matter and total energy of our present universe must always remain zero if it is claimed that the universe has originated from nothing. Although scientists have shown that the total matter and the total energy of the universe is zero, yet they have not yet shown as to how the total space and the total time of the present universe also remain zero. This is one major drawback in their theory that the universe has originated from nothing. And if this theory cannot explain as to how the total space-time of the universe also remains zero, then these scientists will not be able to convince us that universe’s origin from nothing is actually the case. </p> <p>This point has already been discussed in detail here2 and here3.</p> <p>3) The third case is that scientists have artificially created a vacuum and then they have observed that virtual particles are still coming out of that vacuum. From this observation they have jumped to the conclusion that something is coming out of nothing, which means that something can actually come out of nothing. Then they have further concluded that the entire universe has also come out of nothing due to the quantum energy fluctuation in a void. But this conclusion may not be a sound one, because first of all it will have to be ascertained as to whether the void created by them is a real void or not. Scientists have created a void within the universe and not outside of it. If there is a God, then that God is omnipresent, everywhere. So, if there is a God, then the void created within the universe will not be a real void at all, because in that case there will be the presence of God within the void itself. In case there is no God, then only it can be said with certainty that the void is a real void. So first of all it will have to be established that there is no God. Without establishing this point first if these scientists want to proceed further, then all their conjectures, and all their conclusions based on those conjectures, might be proved wrong if ultimately it is found that there is a God. And to prove that there is no God it is necessary to show that there is no hand of God behind the creation event. That means scientists will have to give a natural explanation for the origin of the universe. This is because if there is a God, then definitely this universe will be his creation, and so if this explanation can be given, then it will show once and for all that there is no God. And it will also show once and for all that the void is a real void.</p> <p> But instead of doing this first thing first, scientists have already presupposed that there is no God when they have concluded that the void created by them is a real void. Then based on this presupposition that there is no God they have shown that no God is actually needed for creating the universe, because it can naturally arise out of nothing due to the quantum energy fluctuation in a void. So this is nothing but a pure case of circular reasoning.</p> <p>This point has already been discussed here4.</p> <p>Reference:<br /> 1. <a href=" /> 2. <a href=" /> 3. <a href=" /> 4. <a href="; </div></div></div><div class="field field-name-field-tags field-type-taxonomy-term-reference field-label-above clearfix"><h3 class="field-label">Tags: </h3><ul class="links"><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-0" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/113" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Universe</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-1" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/133" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Origin of the Universe</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-2" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/132" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Zero total energy</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-3" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/134" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Something from Nothing</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-4" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/135" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Vacuum Energy Fluctuation</a></li></ul></div> Wed, 30 Dec 2015 14:49:53 +0000 Himangsu Sekhar Pal 522 at /?q=node/522#comments


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11Prompt - Atheist /?q=taxonomy/term/139 en So easy, yet so difficult /?q=node/586 <div class="field field-name-body field-type-text-with-summary field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even" property="content:encoded"><p>Here is a game. If anyone in this world can play this game successfully, then she will be able to prove the existence of God with the help of science. </p> <p>Let us suppose that this universe has a creator. If this creator is to keep proof of his existence in the created world in such a way that it can be easily recognized as proof of a creator, then which proof will he keep?</p> <p>Anybody can play this game, theists and atheists alike, because it starts with a supposition only. </p> <p>Here is a hint for those who will take part in this game: A creator as a creator may have some particular properties which no one else, nothing else created by him may have, simply because they have been created and because they are not the creator. If we now find these particular properties of a creator in someone or something created, then we will immediately understand that these are from the creator only because no created being or thing can naturally have those properties.</p> <p>Here is one more hint: When we say about something that it is spaceless and timeless, what we mean to say about it is that it is not within any space and time. But, whatever is there in the universe, is within the space and time of the universe. Being already placed within the space and time of the universe, can anything naturally be spaceless and timeless, that is, not within any space and time?</p> <p>Here is one more: If there is indeed a creator of this universe, then it can be said that this creator has brought everyone and everything within the universe into existence. Whatever has been brought into existence by the creator has been given certain lifetime. Many stars in the sky have a lifetime of several billion years; we human beings have a lifetime of a few decades; some insects have a lifetime of a single day only. Can we think of anything that has also been brought into existence by the creator, but that has been given no lifetime?</p> <p>When anybody playing this game will be able to correctly pinpoint those particular properties that only a creator is privileged to have, this game will be over.</p> <p>Proving the existence of God is so easy, yet so difficult.</p> </div></div></div><div class="field field-name-field-tags field-type-taxonomy-term-reference field-label-above clearfix"><h3 class="field-label">Tags: </h3><ul class="links"><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-0" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/123" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">God</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-1" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/113" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Universe</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-2" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/314" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Theist</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-3" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/139" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Atheist</a></li></ul></div> Wed, 20 Jan 2021 05:37:39 +0000 Himangsu Sekhar Pal 586 at /?q=node/586#comments Why there can be only One God /?q=node/559 <div class="field field-name-body field-type-text-with-summary field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even" property="content:encoded"><p>Recently one question was put to me by an atheist regarding the number of god or gods responsible for creating the universe: ‘You can’t even cite any rational criteria for determining how many gods are responsible. You use the word ‘God’ as if there is only one. What is your evidence that there is only one god?’</p> <p>So what is my evidence that there is only one God?</p> <p>I have already shown elsewhere1 that if there is a creator of the universe, then that creator cannot be within any space and time, because logic dictates that a creator will always precede his/her creation. Before creation there was no space and time and therefore the creator god was not within any space and time. That means before creation there was no one else, nothing else other than the creator god, because before creation there was no space and time beyond the creator god within which someone or something might exist. Or, we can also say that before creation there was no one else, nothing else beyond the creator god.</p> <p>Now instead of calling the creator of the universe as the creator god, we can also call him/her the cause of the universe. Or, in brief, we will call it The Cause. Thus The Cause would be such that before creation there would be no one else, nothing else other than The Cause.</p> <p>Now let us suppose that there were two gods instead of one: god-A and god-B. Now can we say about god-A that before creation there was no one else, nothing else other than god-A? Can we say about god-B that before creation there was no one else, nothing else other than god-B? No, we cannot say so, because before creation there was already god-B beyond god-A and god-A beyond god-B.</p> <p>But we have already seen above that before creation there would be no one else, nothing else beyond The Cause, because before creation there would be no space and time. So we see that neither god-A nor god-B fulfils the condition for being The Cause, because The Cause would have to be such that before creation there would be no one else, nothing else other than The Cause. So, either god-A is prior to god-B and is the cause of both god-B and the universe, or god-B is prior to god-A and is the cause of both god-A and the universe. But both of them combined cannot be the cause of the universe.</p> <p>This clearly shows that there can be only one god, not many.</p> <p>The whole matter can be analyzed from another angle. The situation before creation would have to be such that there would be no space and time before creation. But if there are two gods, then can we say that before creation there was no space and time? No, we cannot say so, because if there are two gods, then both of them would be within some space and time. </p> <p>Here we cannot claim that god-A is not within any space and time, This is because if god-A is not really within any space and time, then beyond god–A there would be no space and time within which someone or something might exist and therefore there would be no one else, nothing else beyond god–A. But we already know that there was god-B beyond god-A. That means it cannot be said about god-A that it is not within any space and time.</p> <p>By the same logic it can be shown that god-B is also within some space and time.</p> <p>So, if there are more than one gods, then space and time would already be there. That will further mean that creation has already taken place. So, again we will have to say that either god-A is prior to god-B and is the cause of both god-B and the universe, or that god-B is prior to god-A and is the cause of both god-A and the universe. But both of them combined cannot be the cause of the universe.</p> <p>However it must be mentioned here that it is very much possible that both of them together are not within any space-time. But when we consider them individually and separately, both god-A and god-B would be within some space-time.</p> <p>Reference:<br /> 1. <a href="; </div></div></div><div class="field field-name-field-tags field-type-taxonomy-term-reference field-label-above clearfix"><h3 class="field-label">Tags: </h3><ul class="links"><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-0" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/123" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">God</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-1" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/113" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Universe</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-2" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/139" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Atheist</a></li></ul></div> Thu, 07 Dec 2017 13:03:17 +0000 Himangsu Sekhar Pal 559 at /?q=node/559#comments Is not SR a Valid Scientific Theory? Part I /?q=node/546 <div class="field field-name-body field-type-text-with-summary field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even" property="content:encoded"><p>Atheists do have some deep basic convictions. When science does in no way contradict these basic convictions of them, they are whole-heartedly with science. However if any scientific theory contradicts in any way any single basic conviction of them, they do not hesitate to go against science.</p> <p>The two most basic convictions of the atheists are:<br /> • There is nothing supernatural; and<br /> • Whatever exists, exists within space-time only. So nothing can exist outside space-time.</p> <p>However SR has shown that light exists neither in space nor in time, because travel time and travel distance become zero for light. So for light there is neither any space to exist nor any time to exist. This directly contradicts one of the two basic convictions of the atheists that nothing can exist outside space-time. So the attitude of the atheists towards SR is really very peculiar and ambiguous as will be evident from the interactions that I had with some atheists.</p> <p>In one YouTube comment section one atheist wrote that if space-time began, there is no room for a deity. From here started the exchange of arguments and counterarguments between the two of us.</p> <p>Me<br /> ‘If space-time began, there’s no room for a deity.’</p> <p>This is not true. If this deity is spaceless and timeless, then it can exist spacelessly and timelessly without needing any space-time for it to exit.</p> <p>The atheist<br /> “If this deity is spaceless and timeless” Then definitionally it doesn’t exist. Do you understand? Existence means within space-time. There is nothing “outside”. That’s a comparative concept that doesn’t apply.</p> <p>Me<br /> Please read the article “The Fundamental Nature of Light” by Dr. Sascha Vongehr in Science 2.0 (February 3rd, 2011) here:</p> <p><a href="; <p>There it has been shown that light exists for zero time in zero space, because as per the special theory of relativity both the travel time and the travel distance becomes zero for light. Therefore as per SR light is in no space for no time. So will you say that light does not exist? Here is an example: A photon coming from a star lying at a distance of one billion light-years from the earth will take one billion years of earth’s time to reach the surface of the earth. But from the reference frame of light the distance from the star to the earth is zero. This is as per one of the equations of SR. So as per SR there is no space in between the star and the earth for light to exist. Similarly for light there is no time to exist, because from its own reference frame the travel time has also become zero for it.</p> <p>The atheist<br /> “There it has been shown that light exists for zero time in zero space” Well.. that’s fundamentally wrong.. and we have been able to slow down photons and examine them, you know.</p> <p>“So will you say that light does not exist?” We have a specific definition for the em spectrum, and we measure it.</p> <p>“But from the reference frame of light” Heh.. light doesn’t have a reference frame. That’s another place you went wrong.</p> <p>“Similarly for light there is no time to exist, because from its own reference frame the travel time has also become zero for it.” You understand that traveling at lightspeed isn’t going to matter when you are playing these imaginary games, right? Everything moves at the speed of light if you use light as a reference point. Can you see how that just doesn’t work? Also, you assume the speed of light in a vacuum is special, the entire em spectrum moves without regard for the higgs field.</p> <p>Not sure how this in any way relates to your assertion that a nothing deity can exist. Your page is more philosophy than science.</p> <p>Me<br /> From your reply it appears that in order to not address the main issue here you have to discuss so many things about light that is not in any way warranted by my reply. I have given one example in my reply: light coming from a star situated at a distance of one billion light-years from the earth. I have also written that the travel distance (TD) and the travel time (TT) from the star to the earth become zero for light. Either I am wrong in my assertion here, or I am not. If I am not wrong, then the two legitimate scientific questions that can be asked here are these: in which space does light exist during its transition from the star to the earth (TD is zero)? And for how long does it exist (TT is also zero)? So the main issue here is simply this: do TD and TT really become zero for light, as the two equations of SR show? Or, do they not? So it was most essential for me to know whether I was wrong in my assertion here or not. But from your reply it is in no way possible for me to know this, because there is no clear-cut answer. So, without trying to sidetracking the real issue here, if you can answer this question just in one word only, then that will be enough and sufficient for me: am I wrong, or am I not? No one has requested you to take a science class here.</p> <p>The atheist<br /> “I have given one example in my reply: light coming from a star situated at a distance of one billion light-years from the earth.” That still has nothing to do with your assertion of a deity, try to stay focused.</p> <p>“I have also written that the travel distance (TD) and the travel time (TT) from the star to the earth become zero for light. Either I am wrong in my assertion here, or I am not.”</p> <p>In simple terms:<br /> 1. Space is not a perfect vacuum.<br /> 2. The EM spectrum is not sentient, it cannot have a “perspective” as EM is just information packets, not mass.<br /> 3. Mass cannot travel the speed of light, so your modality is flawed.</p> <p>“If I am not wrong, then the two legitimate scientific questions that can be asked here are these: in which space does light exist during its transition from the star to the earth (TD is zero)? And for how long does it exist (TT is also zero)?” These questions sound like you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the nature of space-time. Space-time is not static, it’s an infinitely variable matrix. Distance is variable as space-time expands (and it will eventually expand faster than light). Of course none of this is relevant to the assertion that a deity exists.</p> <p>“But from your reply it is in no way possible for me to know this, because there is no clear-cut answer.” Because your questions are not cogent. You need to take a basic cosmology course, understand that there’s a lot more going on than simple trigonometry.</p> <p>Me<br /> Equations of SR show that travel time and travel distance become zero for light. On the basis of this I have asked these two questions: “in which space does light exist during its transition from the star to the earth (TD is zero)? And for how long does it exist (TT is also zero)?”</p> <p>But you have written that I “have a fundamental misunderstanding of the nature of space-time. Space-time is not static, it’s an infinitely variable matrix. Distance is variable as space-time expands (and it will eventually expand faster than light)”.</p> <p>So do you mean to say here that if the two facts that space-time is not static and that distance is also variable are properly taken into consideration, then we will find that travel time and travel distance do not actually become zero for light? As whatever I have written is based on the two equations of SR only, so do you mean to say that SR has not taken into consideration these two facts and that that is the reason why it has arrived at some equations that are wrongly showing that travel time and travel distance become zero for light? Do you mean to say that if an actual experiment is conducted with light coming from a distant star, then we will be able to arrive at some other equations completely different from those of SR and that will be able to show that travel time and travel distance do not become zero for light?</p> <p>Has any such experiment been conducted by any scientist? Can you give any citation? Otherwise how do we come to know that these are not just your personal opinions having no valid scientific basis?</p> <p>On the basis of which scientific evidence are you saying that travel time and travel distance do not become zero for light when the equations of SR are showing that they do become zero?</p> <p>Here there are only two possibilities:<br /> 1) Either SR has not taken into consideration the facts that space-time is not static and that distance is also variable and that is why it is wrongly showing that travel time and travel distance become zero for light;<br /> 2) Or SR has properly taken into consideration the above two facts and despite that it is showing that travel time and travel distance become zero for light.</p> <p>If 1), then SR is not a valid scientific theory and therefore it should be immediately replaced by some other better theory.</p> <p>If 2), then my two questions are fully legitimate questions.</p> <p>Up till now he has not replied although more than two weeks have already elapsed.</p> <p>Here the atheist is not directly saying that SR is not a valid scientific theory. That much courage he does not possess. He knows very well that if he says so, then he will have to substantiate it by some actual experimental evidence as otherwise no one will believe his words. But neither is it possible for him to digest that one well-established scientific theory is showing that light exists neither in space nor in time and so he brings in all sorts of arguments to point out that this cannot be the case:</p> <p>1) Space is not a perfect vacuum:<br /> 2) Space-time is not static, it’s an infinitely variable matrix: and<br /> 3) Distance is also variable.</p> <p>Below is the case of another atheist who is bold enough to say that math of SR is wrong.</p> <p>The atheist<br /> So how can a god that exists outside time interact with stuff inside time? At best you have a deist god, but doesn’t this result in another version of the interaction problem? </p> <p>Me<br /> Please read the article “The Fundamental Nature of Light” by Dr. Sascha Vongehr in Science 2.0 (February 3rd, 2011) here:</p> <p><a href="; <p>There it has been shown that light exists for zero time in zero space, because as per the special theory of relativity both the travel time and the travel distance becomes zero for light. Therefore as per SR light is in no space for no time. Still being neither in space nor in time light can have effects on things within space and time. </p> <p>The atheist<br /> ‘Therefore as per SR light is in no space for no time.’</p> <p>That’s not at all what SR says. Just that light doesn’t ‘experience’ time. It still has location in spacetime(duh, photons is how we see stuff), which means it exists in spacetime.</p> <p>So you’ve not solved this interaction problem, you’ve just demonstrated you’ve no idea what it’s about, and why SR debunks A-theory of time. </p> <p>Me<br /> A photon coming from a star lying at a distance of one billion light-years from the earth will take one billion years of earth’s time to reach the surface of the earth. But from the reference frame of light the distance from the star to the earth is zero. This is as per one of the equations of SR. So as per SR there is no space in between the star and the earth for light to exist. So please specify in which particular space-point does light exist during its transition from the star to the earth. Just saying that light exists in space-time will not do. </p> <p>The atheist<br /> ‘But from the reference frame of light the distance from the star to the earth is zero.’</p> <p>Yes, dr^2 and such, but the particle still exists in space-time now does it.</p> <p>Again, no frame of reference doesn’t mean no space-time-allocation.</p> <p>‘So as per SR there is no space in between the star and the earth for light to exist.’</p> <p>No, just that photons don’t experience time.</p> <p>‘Just saying that light exists in space-time will not do.’</p> <p>If observation defeats math, math is wrong, not observation. </p> <p>Me<br /> ‘If observation defeats math, math is wrong, not observation.’</p> <p>So you are saying that math of SR is wrong, because observation cannot be wrong. Can you offer a better theory that will be able to replace SR? If you do have such a theory, then please present it to the peers and get it accepted. </p> <p>The atheist<br /> ‘So you are saying that math of SR is wrong, because observation cannot be wrong.’</p> <p>No. Both theory and observation are subject to fallabilism. That doesn’t mean observation isn’t key to physics. I’d refer you to Kuhn’s 5 ways for theory choice.</p> <p>‘Can you offer a better theory that will be able to replace SR?’</p> <p>No, nor do I see why I should, that’s not my job. SR is still less wrong than what came before, and very useful. It’s just not complete.</p> <p>Me<br /> There are two theories of science that are also considered as facts by the scientific community. These two theories are:</p> <p>1) Darwin’s theory of evolution: and<br /> 2) Einstein’s special theory of relativity.</p> <p>A theory can be falsified at any time, but a fact is a fact is a fact is a fact is a fact is a fact is a fact. So perhaps you are daydreaming if you think that one day SR will be replaced by some other better theory.</p> </div></div></div><div class="field field-name-field-tags field-type-taxonomy-term-reference field-label-above clearfix"><h3 class="field-label">Tags: </h3><ul class="links"><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-0" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/187" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Sapce-time</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-1" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/121" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Spaceless</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-2" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/122" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Timeless</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-3" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/109" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Spacelessness</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-4" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/110" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Timelessness</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-5" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/188" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Theory of evolution</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-6" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/116" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Special theory of relativity</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-7" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/189" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Darwin</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-8" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/168" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Einstein</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-9" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/190" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Dr. Sascha Vongehr</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-10" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/191" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Kuhn</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-11" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/192" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">EM spectrum</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-12" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/52" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Light</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-13" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/193" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Photon</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-14" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/194" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Reference frame</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-15" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/195" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Matrix</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-16" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/139" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Atheist</a></li></ul></div> Sun, 25 Dec 2016 15:50:34 +0000 Himangsu Sekhar Pal 546 at /?q=node/546#comments Property of Hardness /?q=node/545 <div class="field field-name-body field-type-text-with-summary field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even" property="content:encoded"><p>Recently I put the following question to two persons both of whom are atheists:</p> <p>“Can you name a single thing in nature that has the property of hardness but that is not hard itself?” </p> <p>Reply from one person was this: “That does not make sense.”</p> <p>However the second person’s reply was that it is sand. After getting this reply I wrote back to him again:</p> <p>“So you are saying that sand has the property of hardness although it is not hard itself. As sand is not hard itself and as despite that it has the property of hardness, so do you think it has received this property of hardness from something outside of it?”</p> <p>Perhaps my reply alarmed him somehow and so he changed his stand immediately. He wrote back to me this:</p> <p>“I would like you to stop for a moment and think about what you are saying.</p> <p>“Single grain of sand is hard. On scale of hardness it is about 6-7 I think. But the sand itself, consisting from millions of grains is not that hard.</p> <p>“So that philosophical thing you were trying to say is just… not relevant I think.”</p> <p>After getting this reply I further wrote back to him:</p> <p>“My question to you was this: can you name a single thing in nature that has the property of hardness but that is not hard itself?</p> <p>“And your reply was this: sand.</p> <p>“Although I was shocked by your reply, yet I did not express my shock. Rather I wanted to proceed with whatever you have said as a reply. A hard thing will have the property of hardness simply because it is hard and not due to any other reason or factor lying outside of it. But if there is a thing in nature that has the property of hardness but that is not hard itself, then we cannot say the same thing about it that it has the property of hardness because it is hard. In that case we will have to admit that it must have this property of hardness due to some reason or factor lying outside of it.</p> <p>“Then you made everything clear. You admitted that single grain of sand is hard. So you are also admitting that a thing can have the property of hardness if, and only if, it is hard and not due to any other reason or factor lying outside of it. This is because if something can have the property of hardness due to some reason or factor lying outside of it, then in that case a thing that is not hard itself can also have this property.</p> <p>“Now what I am going to write is for the sake of argument only. I am not asserting anything here.</p> <p>“Let us now suppose that what is really impossible has actually become possible, that there is a thing in nature that has the property of hardness but that is not hard itself. In that case what will we have to conclude from this? We will have to conclude that the thing in question must have received this so-called property of hardness from something external to it (say A). Now it may be the case that A has also received this property from B, B has received it from C and so on ad infinitum. So here there will be an infinite regress. In order to stop this infinite regress we will have to ultimately posit the existence of a hard thing in nature from which the thing in question could have received its property of hardness.</p> <p>“That means if we find a thing in nature that has the property of hardness but that is not hard itself, then that thing will give us the evidence that there is at least one hard thing in nature.</p> <p>“Am I clear up to this point?”</p> <p>The above appeared to him as probability babble and he expressed his impatience to waste time in probability babble.</p> <p>Now what should be the take of a rational person on this? If there is a thing in nature that has the property of hardness but that is not hard itself, then can we not conclude from this that that thing is the evidence that there is at least one hard thing in nature?</p> </div></div></div><div class="field field-name-field-tags field-type-taxonomy-term-reference field-label-above clearfix"><h3 class="field-label">Tags: </h3><ul class="links"><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-0" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/139" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Atheist</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-1" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/185" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Rationality</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-2" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/98" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Hard thing</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-3" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/186" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Hardness</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-4" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/99" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Property of hardness</a></li></ul></div> Tue, 15 Nov 2016 05:58:36 +0000 Himangsu Sekhar Pal 545 at /?q=node/545#comments Not Only the Believers but the Atheists as Well Can Be Close-Minded /?q=node/539 <div class="field field-name-body field-type-text-with-summary field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even" property="content:encoded"><p>It is not that only believers are close-minded; there are lots of atheists and non-believers who are close-minded as well. I will give just one example here.</p> <p>In one YouTube channel presentation someone argued that God does not exist, because God is neither in space nor in time. For him in order to exist someone or something must have to be in space and time. In reply I wrote to him that there is an instance in nature that something can still exist even if it is neither in space nor in time. In SR it has been shown that both the travel distance and the travel time become zero for light. So long SR is not replaced by some other better theory, we will have to accept that its mathematical equations are correct and that therefore whatever conclusions can be drawn from these equations are also correct.</p> <p>So as per SR a photon originating in a distant star and coming towards earth will be neither in space nor in time during its total transition period, which may be anything, even billions of years, depending on the distance of the star from the earth. But due to this reason that light is neither in space nor in time during the transition we cannot say that light does not exist, because we can see the star. Twice my comment was deleted. So I posted it for the third time and then only it was answered. The reply was that the mathematics of SR is wrong, because it contradicts our observation. As we can see the light, so it must be in some space-time. So I had to write to him that If he had any new theory that could replace SR, then he should present it to the peers and get it accepted. This comment was also deleted.</p> <p>So I cannot accept that only believers are close-minded; non-believers can also be close-minded.</p> </div></div></div><div class="field field-name-field-tags field-type-taxonomy-term-reference field-label-above clearfix"><h3 class="field-label">Tags: </h3><ul class="links"><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-0" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/123" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">God</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-1" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/52" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Light</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-2" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/53" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">space</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-3" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/54" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">time</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-4" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/116" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Special theory of relativity</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-5" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/139" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Atheist</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-6" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/140" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Believer</a></li></ul></div> Mon, 12 Sep 2016 06:33:52 +0000 Himangsu Sekhar Pal 539 at /?q=node/539#comments Why did God create The Universe? /?q=node/524 <div class="field field-name-body field-type-text-with-summary field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even" property="content:encoded"><p>John Zande, a militant atheist, in a blog post Why? A Challenge to all Believers (December 4, 2015)1 has put this question to all believers:</p> <p> Why did your God create this universe? </p> <p>He thinks that it is a question that should haunt every waking hour of a believer and occupy his every thought. He also thinks that this question is such that every believer should obsess over it, maddened by its dazzling conspicuousness, and embarrassed beyond all measure that it even exists. This question should consume his life, tying him up in ferocious knots of disquiet and affording no genuine peace until a definitive answer is found. But actually few theists ever ask this question, and even fewer ever attempt a possible, maybe, perhaps, never-quite-certain answer.</p> <p>Then in the rest of the blog he asks again:</p> <p>“If all things (the past, the present, and the future) are contained within a maximally powerful being, the Catalogue of Catalogues who existed in a state of perfection, then why did it consciously create the physical universe? What possible purpose does this machine, this contrivance, serve?” </p> <p>Although he thinks that the question he has put to the believers cannot have any never-quite-certain answer, yet it is not true at all, because definitely there is an answer, and of course it is a quite-certain answer. </p> <p>Imagine yourself in place of God. Imagine that you are only there in this vast universe and that there is no one else other than you. Imagine that you will have to be there in this condition forever and ever, forever and ever, forever and ever, because you can never cease to be, because you can never die. So you will be all alone in this universe forever and ever, forever and ever, forever and ever. We know that as human beings we suffer a lot in this earthly life, but at the same time we also know that one day all these sufferings will definitely come to an end with our inevitable death. But what about the loneliness of God? Will that ever come to an end? Can God bring it to an end by committing suicide? If he cannot, then what shall he have to do in order to overcome his utter loneliness? </p> <p>Please try to find an answer to this question yourself. It is so obvious that I need not have to tell you the answer.</p> <p>Reference:<br /> 1. <a href="; </div></div></div><div class="field field-name-field-tags field-type-taxonomy-term-reference field-label-above clearfix"><h3 class="field-label">Tags: </h3><ul class="links"><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-0" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/123" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">God</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-1" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/138" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Loneliness</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-2" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/63" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Creation</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-3" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/113" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Universe</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-4" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/139" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Atheist</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-5" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/140" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Believer</a></li></ul></div> Tue, 16 Feb 2016 01:12:33 +0000 Himangsu Sekhar Pal 524 at /?q=node/524#comments


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11Prompt - Big Bang /?q=taxonomy/term/145 en In Defense of Emergent Spacetime /?q=node/591 <div class="field field-name-body field-type-text-with-summary field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even" property="content:encoded"><p>My justification for writing this post is that only emergent spacetime can ultimately lead to God. So, we must defend it in every possible way.</p> <p>Recently, I have posted the following in one Facebook Discussion Group: </p> <p>'Physicists are now saying that spacetime is not fundamental but emergent, and it has emerged from something non-spatiotemporal.</p> <p>‘As we have come to know that spacetime is emergent, so some questions arise here that I am giving below:</p> <p>1) Was spacetime fundamental or emergent when the universe began to expand from the Big Bang?<br /> 2) If it was fundamental, then is there any scientific evidence in support of it?<br /> 3) If it was fundamental, how and when has it become emergent by losing its fundamental nature?<br /> 4) However, if it was emergent, would it not require the prior presence of something non-spatiotemporal from which only it could emerge?’</p> <p>In reply, a person commented that we have not come to know that. It is only a possibility that only a few theoreticians are investigating. These theoreticians have yet to extend it from 3D to 4D that is essential, and until they do, they cannot even start for the possible observation that might verify the speculation.</p> <p>But I think there is a reason why those physicists may not be entirely wrong who say that spacetime is emergent.</p> <p>In an earlier article1, I have shown that if anything exists at all, there would be something spaceless and timeless. That is because otherwise, there will be an infinite regress. Below, I am going to repeat the same article here, but with some modification.</p> <p>We can show by some simple logic that if anything exists at all, then either there will be an infinite regress or that there will be something spaceless and timeless that will stop that regress. </p> <p>Now let us start from the earth. Earth exists within the solar system.<br /> The solar system exists within the Milky Way galaxy.<br /> The Milky Way galaxy exists within the local cluster of galaxies.<br /> This cluster again exists within some super-cluster of galaxies.<br /> This super-cluster of galaxies exists within the universe that contains trillions of other galaxies.</p> <p>WHAT I AM GOING TO SAY NOW IS PURELY FOR THE SAKE OF BUILDING AN ARGUMENT ONLY. NOTHING IS ASSERTED HERE.</p> <p>The universe exists within the multiverse that contains trillions of other universes.<br /> This multiverse exists within some super-multiverse that contains trillions of other multiverses.<br /> This super-multiverse exists within some super-duper multiverse that contains trillions of other super-multiverses.<br /> This super-duper multiverse exists within some supra-multiverse that contains trillions of other super-duper multiverses.<br /> This supra-multiverse exists within some supra-dupra multiverse that contains trillions of other supra-multiverses.<br /> And in this way, this chain will go on up to infinity. </p> <p>However, if we want to stop the infinite regress, we would have to break the chain somewhere in the middle. We would have to stop at some level.</p> <p>If we decide that we would stop at the universe level, we would have to say that nothing is there beyond the universe. The universe as a whole would be neither in any space nor in any time. That is because there would be nothing outside the universe. </p> <p>If we stop at the multiverse level, we would have to say that the multiverse as a whole would be neither in any space nor at any time. That is because there would be nothing outside the multiverse. </p> <p>In each case, the entity being as a whole neither in space nor in time would be spaceless and timeless. </p> <p>So, the entity that will stop the infinite regress will always be spaceless and timeless. </p> <p>From above, we can conclude that if anything exists at all, then there would be two possibilities:<br /> 1) Possibility one: There would be an infinite regress;<br /> 2) Possibility two: There would be something spaceless and timeless that will stop that regress;</p> <p>I do not profess to know whether there is an infinite regress or no such regress. NOBODY KNOWS. However, if there is no such regress, then we can say that there was something spaceless and timeless at the beginning from which everything has originated. In that case, we cannot say that those physicists are wrong who are saying spacetime is emergent.</p> <p>Reference:<br /> 1) <a href="; </div></div></div><div class="field field-name-field-tags field-type-taxonomy-term-reference field-label-above clearfix"><h3 class="field-label">Tags: </h3><ul class="links"><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-0" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/123" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">God</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-1" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/53" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">space</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-2" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/54" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">time</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-3" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/259" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Spacetime</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-4" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/269" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Non-spatiotemporal</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-5" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/145" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Big Bang</a></li></ul></div> Mon, 14 Jun 2021 14:05:06 +0000 Himangsu Sekhar Pal 591 at /?q=node/591#comments God is not Purely Imaginary /?q=node/589 <div class="field field-name-body field-type-text-with-summary field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even" property="content:encoded"><p>God is not purely imaginary, because God has also been described as spaceless and timeless.</p> <p>In this 21st century, physicists are no longer saying that spacetime is fundamental; rather, they are saying that it is emergent. </p> <p>If an entity is emergent, then in general, that will mean these three things:<br /> 1) The emergent entity cannot have any existence prior to its emergence.<br /> 2) The emergent entity (A) cannot emerge from just anything or nothing; it can emerge from some particular entity or entities (B) only.<br /> 3) B must pre-exist before the emergence of A. </p> <p>The above three will also be true for emergent spacetime as well. </p> <p>Spacetime is emergent means the source from which spacetime has emerged cannot be within any spacetime, for the simple reason that there cannot be any spacetime prior to its emergence. Physicists are describing this source as non-spatiotemporal. </p> <p>'Non-spatiotemporal' is the new scientific term for the old term 'spaceless and timeless'. The special theory of relativity has combined the two separate entities space and time into one single entity: spacetime. So, scientists can no longer use the old term ‘spaceless and timeless’; instead, they use the new term ‘non-spatiotemporal’. </p> <p>So, emergent spacetime has shown that there is something spaceless and timeless (aka, non-spatiotemporal) in nature from which our known spacetime has emerged. </p> <p>This is the objectively real part in man's imagination of God.</p> <p>As we have come to know that spacetime is not fundamental but emergent, so some questions arise here that are given below: </p> <p>1) Was spacetime fundamental or emergent when the universe began to expand from the Big Bang?<br /> 2) If it was fundamental, then is there any scientific evidence in support of it? If yes, then how did scientists get that evidence? And also, from where did they get that evidence?<br /> 3) If it was fundamental, then how and when has it become emergent by losing its fundamental nature?<br /> 4) However, if it was emergent, then would it not require the prior presence of NSE from which only it could emerge? </p> <p>Moreover, if an entity is emergent, then how can it be the case that it was fundamental at an earlier time, and that it has become emergent afterwards by losing its fundamental nature? Would it not be more reasonable to assume that if it is emergent now, then earlier also it was emergent, and that it will remain so in future as well? </p> <p>One can easily understand what will be the implication of this. Spacetime being emergent, would require the prior presence of this NSE for its emergence from it, when the universe began expanding from the Big Bang. </p> <p>In the CCC model of Roger Penrose, this NSE would have to be eternal and everlasting, because every time a big bang has occurred or will occur, whether in the infinite past, or in the far distant future, spacetime would have required, or would require, the prior presence of this NSE for its emergence from it.</p> </div></div></div><div class="field field-name-field-tags field-type-taxonomy-term-reference field-label-above clearfix"><h3 class="field-label">Tags: </h3><ul class="links"><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-0" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/123" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">God</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-1" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/53" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">space</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-2" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/54" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">time</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-3" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/121" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Spaceless</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-4" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/122" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Timeless</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-5" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/145" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Big Bang</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-6" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/269" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Non-spatiotemporal</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-7" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/317" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Roger Penrose</a></li></ul></div> Wed, 24 Mar 2021 10:33:55 +0000 Himangsu Sekhar Pal 589 at /?q=node/589#comments On Emergent Space-Time and the Existence of God /?q=node/563 <div class="field field-name-body field-type-text-with-summary field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even" property="content:encoded"><p>In one YouTube comment thread one atheist has asked this question: ‘Who created the creator? Oh, what's that? The creator doesn't need a creator?' </p> <p>He has also written that if the creator doesn't need a creator, then that would be special pleading. He has also stated that if the creator doesn't need a creator then by extension the universe, which created us, also doesn't need one. So, why should we bother conjuring up an additional step? He has also asked: is it turtles all the way?</p> <p>Here I enter in the thread.</p> <p>Me to Atheist:<br /> ‘'Who created the creator? Oh, what's that? The creator doesn't need a creator?' </p> <p>‘You do not know the answer yet? Are you so backdated? </p> <p>[Then I have given him the reference to my article If God created universe, Who created God?1] </p> <p>‘There it has been shown that God is a bunch of several zeroes and that zero needs no creation.’</p> <p>The Atheist then asks me as to whether I did even read what he said? He also writes that my response was already preemptively addressed, because if god doesn’t need a creator, then the universe also doesn't need a creator, so why should I bother conjuring up an additional step?</p> <p>Me to Atheist:<br /> God does not need a creator because it can be shown and it has actually been shown that God is a bunch of several zeroes. Can anybody show that the universe is also a bunch of several zeroes and so universe would also need no creation?</p> <p>The Atheist here replies that zeroes can't create anything, because it has been shown that anything multiplied by 0 equals 0. He also writes that if god doesn't need a creator, the same applies to the universe.</p> <p>Me to Atheist:<br /> ‘Universe would not need any creator if it can be shown that everything in this universe, including its origin also, can be explained by natural means without invoking any outside agent. But the question is: can it be explained in that way? Below is just one problem:</p> <p>‘One person in one YouTube comment thread has written that the universe is still nothing, because there is as much energy as there is negative energy; so: Energy + - Energy = 0. So basically we still are where we started; the universe is just a more complicated state of nothing. </p> <p>‘My reply to him was this: </p> <p>‘If the universe is still nothing, then that will mean that initially the universe was nothing and that it has still remained nothing, because its total energy has always remained zero. </p> <p>‘But when initially the universe was nothing, it was not that only its energy was zero. Its space, time and matter were also zero. So if the universe still remains nothing, then why should it be that only its total energy remains zero but not its total space-time? What is the logic behind that? </p> <p>‘So, if the universe still remains nothing, then not only the total energy, but the total space-time of this ever-expanding universe must also always remain zero. </p> <p>‘But have the scientists like Krauss, Hawking and others provided any explanation as to how this total space-time always remains zero?’</p> <p>This time The Atheist does not reply. Not getting any reply from him I write to him again.</p> <p>Me to Atheist:<br /> ‘I have mentioned just one problem, but there are other problems also. No scientist can answer whence appeared those quantum mechanical laws without which no cosmological model is complete. In that sense quantum mechanical laws have the same status as that of the theistic God; origin of both remains unexplained and mysterious. However the question ‘who created God?’ can be answered and it has already been answered. Whereas the question ‘who created quantum mechanical laws?’ has not yet been answered. </p> <p>‘Then there is the fine-tuning problem. There are about 30 numbers within the laws of physics that include the masses of the elementary particles and the strengths of the fundamental forces, the values of which cannot be predicted by any scientific laws. Rather scientists have to find their values from actual experiments only. If these numbers have slightly different initial values at the big bang, then the world, and life as we know it, would probably never have come into being. </p> <p>‘The question is: why do these numbers have the values that they have? At present scientists cannot answer this question from within their known physics and they resort to multiverse hypothesis for its explanation. But up till now there is no direct experimental evidence that there are other universes beyond our universe and so at present multiverse has remained a theoretical probability only. But there are some scientists within the scientific community who think that even if multiverse is real, yet multiverse will not help us solve any single problem within our universe, because physics in each and every member of the multiverse would be the same as that of our universe. </p> <p>‘So long scientists will not be able to solve these problems, their claim that the universe does not need any God will not be trustworthy. </p> <p>‘You have written that zero cannot create anything. If zero does not have any power to create anything, then how has zero energy created such a vast universe?’</p> <p>This time The Atheist gives a reply that first of all I need to actually demonstrate such a god. But as because I am saying god has been "demonstrated to be zeroes", which doesn't make any sense, so he is willing to bet that I have been duped into some hippie kool-aid. He also writes that he would suggest actually thinking for a moment who is more likely to have analyzed these things more rigorously, the guy that said god is a sequence of zeroes, who probably hasn't achieved anything in his whole life in regards to his career as a professional, or the elite scientists in the history of the world from around every country that have granted us literally every piece of technology we see around us today.</p> <p>What follows is my final reply to The Atheist:<br /> ‘I have requested you to go through the article If God created universe, Who created God?1 But you have not gone through it. So I will quote here the first paragraph of that article before proceeding further: </p> <p>‘‘Earlier it was impossible for us to give any satisfactory answer to this question. But modern science, rather we should say that Einstein has made it an easy task for us. And Stephen Hawking has provided us with the clue necessary for solving this riddle. Actually scientists in their infinite wisdom have already kept the ground well-prepared for us believers so that one day we can give the most plausible and logically consistent answer to this age-old question.’ </p> <p>‘The purpose of quoting this passage here is to show that the same elite scientists that have granted us literally every piece of technology we see around us today have also prepared the path for us believers so that we can argue for the existence of God. </p> <p>‘Now let us first see what would be the attributes of a creator God. </p> <p>[Then I have repeated the same argument here that I have given in the article One True God2 for showing how it can be concluded that a creator God would always be spaceless, timeless and immaterial.]</p> <p>‘So as per logic a creator God must necessarily have to be spaceless and timeless, because this is the one and the only one logically possible consequence of being the creator of a universe.</p> <p>‘Now let us see how believers have described their God. About the supernatural God it has been said that he is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent. About the same God it has also been said that he is spaceless, timeless, changeless, immortal, all-pervading, one, unborn, uncreated, without any beginning, without an end, everlasting, non-composite and immaterial.</p> <p>‘So it can in no way be denied that God has been described as spaceless and timeless by the believers. </p> <p>‘Now let us see what science has done here. Science has also given its full support to this logical concept of a creator God by showing as to how it is possible to be spaceless and timeless. </p> <p>[Then I have repeated the same argument here that I have given in the article If God created universe, Who created God?1 for showing how a spaceless and timeless state would obtain.]</p> <p>‘So it can in no way be denied that science has shown how it is possible to be spaceless and timeless. </p> <p>‘Now let us ask ourselves this question: why has science done this? If God is purely imaginary and non-existent, then why is it that science has provided such explanations for the attributes of a purely imaginary and non-existent God? What shall we have to conclude from this? Shall we have to conclude that those highly intelligent persons who have provided these explanations were not intelligent at all and that that was the reason as to why they failed to distinguish between what was actually real and what was purely imaginary? Or shall we have to conclude that this God is objectively real?</p> <p>‘Not only that. Phenomenon of quantum entanglement has compelled the scientists to conclude that space and time are not fundamental at all and that space and time have emerged from something more fundamental that is spaceless and timeless. Here are two relevant quotes:</p> <p>‘“If there were a dividing line between the quantum and the classical worlds, we could use the space and time of the classical world to provide a framework for describing quantum processes. But without such a dividing line—and, indeed, without a truly classical world—we lose this framework. We must explain space and time as somehow emerging from fundamentally spaceless and timeless physics…Many physicists, such as Stephen Hawking of the University of Cambridge, think that relativity theory must give way to a deeper theory in which space and time do not exist. Classical spacetime emerges out of quantum entanglements through the process of decoherence.” (Vlatko Vedral, Living in a quantum world, Scientific American, June 2011) </p> <p>‘“Indeed, a number of serious physicists have for some time by now stated that our usual perception of TIME is wrong, due to the fact that TIME, as much as SPACE, are NOT fundamental entities in Physics, but ONLY ... epiphenomena arising from OTHER yet more fundamental entities ...” (Personal e-mail to me) </p> <p>‘We have already seen that God is described as spaceless and timeless. And we now see that scientists are also saying that space and time have somehow emerged from fundamentally spaceless and timeless physics. </p> <p>‘So, if there is indeed a God, then at the beginning of everything there would be an entity that would be spaceless and timeless. Scientists have not yet admitted that there is a God. But they have at least admitted this much that space and time are not fundamental entities at all and that the more fundamental entity from which they have emerged is indeed spaceless and timeless.’</p> <p>Addendum: Has anybody ever thought that if it is true that space and time are not fundamental entities in Physics, but only epiphenomena arising from other yet more fundamental entities, then at the same time it might not be true that the universe has originated from nothing? If space and time are emergent entities only (epiphenomena) arising from other yet more fundamental entities, then were they emergent also when they made their first appearance at the beginning of the universe? Or, were they fundamental entities at that time? If we claim that they have originated from nothing at the beginning of the universe, then they were fundamental entities at the beginning, simply because they have originated from nothing and not from those yet more fundamental entities. If they were fundamental entities at the beginning, then how and when did they become emergent by losing their fundamental nature? However, if they were emergent at the beginning also, then would they not require the prior presence of those fundamental entities from which only they could arise? Being epiphenomena arising from other yet more fundamental entities, was it possible for them to arise from nothing? </p> <p>If my above argument is correct, then it cannot be the case that the universe has originated from nothing, but from those fundamental entities from which only space and time can emerge. That means all those hypotheses that try to explain the origin of the universe from nothing are all false hypotheses only.</p> <p>That space and time are emergent would also have two more implications. It would imply that those fundamental entities from which space and time have emerged cannot be within any space and time and it would also imply that they cannot be material. They cannot be within any space and time simply because space and time have emerged from them and therefore there was no space and time prior to the emergence of space and time. Being thus spaceless and timeless they would also be immaterial. This is because GR has shown that space, time and matter are so interlinked that when there would be matter, there would be space and time as well. So, if those fundamental entities were material, then there would also be space and time along with those material entities. In that case there would already be space and time prior to the emergence of space and time, which is an absurdity. </p> <p>However it has already been shown that there can be only one single entity in spaceless and timeless condition.3 It means that the entity from which the universe has originated is spaceless, timeless and immaterial.</p> <p>Theistic belief has two parts. In one part theists hold that life, mind and consciousness were already there before the beginning of the universe, because before the beginning there was God and God is life, mind and consciousness itself. In the second part they hold that there was no space and time before the beginning, because before the beginning there was God and that God is spaceless and timeless. So as per the theistic belief life, mind and consciousness are fundamental, because they were already there before the beginning of anything, but space and time are not, because there was no space and time before the beginning. Up till now scientists have refused to acknowledge that the first part of the religious belief is true and they still hold that life, mind and consciousness are emergent entities only. But forced by the circumstances scientists have been driven to the conclusion that the second part of the religious belief is essentially true, that space and time are not fundamental, but emergent only. </p> <p>I hope within some fifty or hundred years from now on scientists will be again driven to the conclusion, and this time also they will be forced by the circumstances only, that life, mind and consciousness are indeed fundamental and not emergent.</p> <p>Once it is admitted by the scientists that space-time is not fundamental, but emergent, now all the atheistic nonsenses can be very easily countered.</p> <p>Reference:<br /> 1. <a href=" /> 2. <a href=" /> 3. <a href="; </div></div></div><div class="field field-name-field-tags field-type-taxonomy-term-reference field-label-above clearfix"><h3 class="field-label">Tags: </h3><ul class="links"><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-0" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/123" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">God</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-1" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/53" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">space</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-2" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/54" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">time</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-3" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/121" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Spaceless</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-4" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/122" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Timeless</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-5" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/145" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Big Bang</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-6" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/257" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Phenomenon of Quantum Entanglement</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-7" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/113" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Universe</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-8" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/157" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Multiverse</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-9" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/220" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Lawrence Krauss</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-10" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/96" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Stephen Hawking</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-11" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/258" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Vlatko Verdal</a></li></ul></div> Fri, 04 May 2018 13:42:25 +0000 Himangsu Sekhar Pal 563 at /?q=node/563#comments Can The Universe Have Non-zero Energy? /?q=node/531 <div class="field field-name-body field-type-text-with-summary field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even" property="content:encoded"><p>In a debate with Dr. William Lane Craig in March, 2014 theoretical physicist Sean Carroll has said the following in his opening speech:</p> <p>If you have a universe that obeys the conventional rules of quantum mechanics, has a non-zero energy, and the individual laws of physics are themselves not changing with time, that universe is necessarily eternal. The time parameter in Schrödinger’s equation, telling you how the universe evolves, goes from minus infinity to infinity.1 </p> <p>But is it possible that the universe can have non-zero energy value? Let us suppose that the universe has non-zero energy value. In that case the universe will behave like a giant matter, because we now know that matter and energy are equivalent. This giant matter will create its own gravitational field that will try to extend beyond the universe, because here the entire universe itself is the matter that has created that field. But there is actually no space outside the universe where this field can extend. For this we can give two reasons. Scientists say that there was no space and time before the big bang. Space and time came into existence along with the big bang only. So there was no preexisting space-time within which this big bang occurred. Another reason is that this universe is also expanding at an accelerating rate. But when it is asked what it is expanding into, the answer we usually get from the scientists is that it is not expanding into anything, because the universe is not embedded into any higher space-time. So these two points suggest that there is no space-time outside the universe. Therefore universe as a whole cannot have any gravitational field that will extend beyond the universe. So, if it is the case that there is no space outside the universe, then in that case it cannot have any non-zero energy value.</p> <p>Dr. Sten Odenwald has provided the following information on behalf of NASA Astronomy Cafe, part of the NASA Education and Public Outreach program:</p> <p>‘General relativity tells us that what we call space is just another feature of the gravitational field of the universe, so space and space-time can and do not exist apart from the matter and energy that creates the gravitational field. This is not speculation, but sound observation.’2</p> <p>So, if at any time of its evolution the universe has non-zero energy value, then it will create the gravitational field that will extend beyond the universe. As space is just another feature of the gravitational field, so in that case there will be space outside the universe. But cosmologists repeatedly say that there is no space outside the universe, because the universe is not expanding into anything. So universe having non-zero energy directly contradicts the statement that there is no space outside the universe.</p> <p>Ref:<br /> 1. <a href=" /> 2. <a href="; </div></div></div><div class="field field-name-field-tags field-type-taxonomy-term-reference field-label-above clearfix"><h3 class="field-label">Tags: </h3><ul class="links"><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-0" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/113" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Universe</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-1" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/145" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Big Bang</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-2" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/53" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">space</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-3" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/54" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">time</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-4" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/104" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Energy</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-5" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/146" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Gravitational Field</a></li></ul></div> Tue, 10 May 2016 04:33:30 +0000 Himangsu Sekhar Pal 531 at /?q=node/531#comments


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11Prompt - Changeless /?q=taxonomy/term/147 en How Atheists Suppress Their Opponent’s Voice /?q=node/553 <div class="field field-name-body field-type-text-with-summary field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even" property="content:encoded"><p>In an earlier article1 I have shown how an atheist tries to suppress his opponent’s voice. Recently I have come across another instance of this. </p> <p>In one YouTube video comment section one person has written that theists are hilarious because they demand evidence for a multiverse, although they cannot provide any evidence for their God. He has also written that at least multiverse has intensely strong mathematical support behind it. </p> <p>In reply I have to write to him that if multiverse has mathematical support behind it, then God also has mathematical support behind him, because two equations of SR have already shown how it is possible to be spaceless, timeless and immortal. I also write to him that scientists are heavily biased and partial in their search for truth, because they consider multiverse as highly probable based on the mathematics of inflation theory, but these same scientists totally ignore God as probable, although there is mathematical support behind God also. </p> <p>Here comes another person saying that I am kidding and that there is no math that even hints at the existence of my particular God and that a fair amount of shoehorning is going on there.</p> <p>As he has commented that there is no math that hints at the existence of my particular God, so I have to explain to him in detail that the two equations of SR shows how it is possible to be spaceless and timeless. As God is called spaceless and timeless and as SR has also shown how a state of spacelessness and timelessness can obtain, so from this it can be said that mathematics of SR suggests it is highly probable there is a God.</p> <p>But this fails to convince him and he sticks to his opinion that I am shoehorning God into science. He also says that if I claim the probable existence of my God in this way, then in a similar way one can also claim the probable existence of other gods like the Greek Primordial Entity Chaos or the Hindu gods Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva, or the Egyptian god Atum, any of which could be this Universe's creator instead of my particular God. </p> <p>So I have to write to him that in the whole history of mankind only one God has been described as spaceless and timeless and that this God is the traditional God of almost all the religions all over the world. I also mention that even mystics have described their God as spaceless and timeless. I also write to him that if one wants to put all the other mythical gods in the same bracket with this traditional God, then one will definitely be mistaken. I also request him to mention one single god other than the traditional God of the religions who has been described as spaceless and timeless.</p> <p>But he does not comply. Rather he asks me to point to the text in my Bible that contains the terms 'timeless' and 'spaceless'. </p> <p>Below are the two replies of mine that have been deleted:</p> <p>Reply one: Perhaps you are not much educated. That is why you think that every person who believes in God is a Christian and that the Bible is his/her religious text. I am a Hindu, but I do not depend on any religious text for my belief. </p> <p>Here is a quote from Dr. William Lane Craig who is well known as a Christian apologist and a good debater: </p> <p>“And then on the rest of the page it’s fairly obvious how I deduce the remainder of these attributes which form the central core of the theistic notion of God: a personal Creator, uncaused, beginningless, changeless, immaterial, timeless, spaceless, enormously powerful, and intelligent. In the words of Thomas Aquinas, this is what everybody means by God.”1 </p> <p>Ref:<br /> 1. <a href="; </p> <p>In the above quote it has been mentioned that God is spaceless and timeless.</p> <p>Reply 2: You can also read the book ‘Mysticism and Philosophy’ by W. T. Stace, Chapter 2, Section 11: Conclusions, pages 131-132, by google search. </p> <p>Ref: WT Stace: Mysticism and Philosophy-wudhi.com</p> <p>As the above two replies of mine have been deleted, so the impression one will get after going through the whole dialogue is that I have failed to establish my point because I could not produce the required text from the Bible which will further imply that the atheist has the last laugh here.</p> <p>The truth is that atheists cannot reconcile themselves to the fact that one scientific theory (SR) has shown how it is possible to be spaceless and timeless and that at the same time religions have also described their God as spaceless and timeless. So either they try to show that SR is not a valid scientific theory2, or they try to show that mystics’ timelessness and scientists’ timelessness are not the same3, or when they cannot do anything of these, they directly suppress their opponent’s voice.</p> <p>Reference:<br /> 1. <a href=" /> 2. <a href=" /> 3. <a href="; </div></div></div><div class="field field-name-field-tags field-type-taxonomy-term-reference field-label-above clearfix"><h3 class="field-label">Tags: </h3><ul class="links"><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-0" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/123" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">God</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-1" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/121" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Spaceless</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-2" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/122" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Timeless</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-3" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/148" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Immortal</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-4" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/208" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Uncaused</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-5" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/209" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Beginningless</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-6" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/147" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Changeless</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-7" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/149" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Immaterial</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-8" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/210" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Intelligent</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-9" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/109" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Spacelessness</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-10" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/110" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Timelessness</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-11" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/157" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Multiverse</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-12" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/198" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Inflation Theory</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-13" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/116" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Special theory of relativity</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-14" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/211" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Dr. William Lanr Craig</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-15" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/212" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">W. T. Stace</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-16" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/213" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Thomas Aquinas</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-17" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/214" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Greek Primordial Entity Chaos</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-18" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/215" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Brahma</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-19" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/216" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Vishnu</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-20" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/217" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Shiva</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-21" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/218" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Atum</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-22" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/219" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Mysticism and Philosophy</a></li></ul></div> Sun, 02 Apr 2017 13:15:17 +0000 Himangsu Sekhar Pal 553 at /?q=node/553#comments Why I am not convinced that there is no God /?q=node/547 <div class="field field-name-body field-type-text-with-summary field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even" property="content:encoded"><p>Only two things can make me convinced that there is no God:</p> <p>1) If science can show that this universe does not need any God; and<br /> 2) If science can show that God of the theistic description cannot exist.</p> <p>Regarding 1), it should be said that no one on this earth can claim that he/she is omniscient. Therefore no one on this earth can claim that he/she knows with absolutely certainty that there is no God. However scientists can come to know that there is no God if they can show that everything in this universe, including its origin also, can be explained by natural means without invoking any kind of god. No doubt this is a very lengthy process indeed, but at the end of this lengthy process one can with some certainty say that the universe does not need any God.</p> <p>However it has already been shown here1 and here2 that the origin of the universe has not been explained properly by the scientists.</p> <p>The above shows that science has not yet been able to explain everything of nature by natural means. In such a situation how will the scientists convince us that this universe does not need any God?</p> <p>Regarding 2) it may be asked: which God? This is because there are thousands of religions on earth and each religion has its own concept of God. I have already made this point clear here3.</p> <p>This God is spaceless, timeless, changeless, immortal, all-pervading, one, unborn, uncreated, without any beginning, without an end, everlasting, non-composite and immaterial.</p> <p>So in order to show that this God with the above attributes cannot exist, I think it will be sufficient for the scientists if they can somehow show that no one or nothing in this universe can be spaceless and timeless. This is because in that case it can very easily be argued that this God does not exist, because this God is said to be spaceless and timeless whereas science has shown that no one or nothing can be spaceless and timeless. But here science has done just the opposite to what it was supposed to do; it has shown how it is possible to be spaceless and timeless. That means here also science has failed in its endeavour to show that God of the theistic description cannot exist. Here their failure has a much deeper negative impact on us than their failure in the first case, because once they have shown how it is possible to be spaceless and timeless, now it becomes next to impossible for them to convince us anymore that this spaceless and timeless God cannot exist.</p> <p>Due to the above two reasons I am not yet convinced that there is no God. Scientists have failed to convince me that God does not exist.</p> <p>Reference:<br /> 1. <a href=" /> 2. <a href=" /> 3. <a href="; </div></div></div><div class="field field-name-field-tags field-type-taxonomy-term-reference field-label-above clearfix"><h3 class="field-label">Tags: </h3><ul class="links"><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-0" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/123" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">God</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-1" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/113" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Universe</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-2" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/133" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Origin of the Universe</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-3" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/121" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Spaceless</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-4" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/122" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Timeless</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-5" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/147" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Changeless</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-6" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/148" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Immortal</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-7" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/182" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Everlasting</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-8" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/149" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Immaterial</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-9" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/66" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Unborn</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-10" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/65" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Uncreated</a></li></ul></div> Sat, 18 Feb 2017 09:45:04 +0000 Himangsu Sekhar Pal 547 at /?q=node/547#comments Irony of Modern Science /?q=node/543 <div class="field field-name-body field-type-text-with-summary field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even" property="content:encoded"><p>About the God who was never there it has been said that he/she/it is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent. About the God who was never there it has also has been said that he/she/it is spaceless, timeless, changeless, immortal, all-pervading, one, unborn, uncreated, without any beginning, without an end, everlasting, non-composite and immaterial. </p> <p>About the God who was never there we say that he/she/it is spaceless. Here science was having two options: 1) it could have shown that nothing could be spaceless; 2) or, it could have shown how it is possible to be spaceless. Nobody has forced the scientists to choose the second option, but despite that they have shown on their own initiative how it is possible to be spaceless. </p> <p>About the God who was never there we also say that he/she/it is timeless. Here also science was having two options and here also not being forced by anybody they have shown on their own initiative how it is possible to be timeless. </p> <p>Now what would have happened if science had shown that nothing in this universe could be spaceless and timeless? In that case it would have been much more easier to show that God does not exist simply because this God is spaceless and timeless and because science has already shown that nothing can be spaceless and timeless. </p> <p>As we can now show with the help of science how God can be spaceless and timeless, so we can also very easily show how this God is changeless, immortal, all-pervading, one, unborn, uncreated, without any beginning, without an end, everlasting, non-composite and immaterial. This is because all these attributes are the default attributes of someone or something that is spaceless and timeless. </p> <p>So, although this God was never there and although modern science also equally denies the existence of God, yet with the help of one of the modern scientific theories (SR) we can fully, completely, excellently explain this God. Is it not really funny? </p> <p>All this has been possible simply because this God was never there.</p> </div></div></div><div class="field field-name-field-tags field-type-taxonomy-term-reference field-label-above clearfix"><h3 class="field-label">Tags: </h3><ul class="links"><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-0" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/123" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">God</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-1" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/155" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Omnipotent</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-2" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/156" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Omniscient</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-3" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/181" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Omnipresent</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-4" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/121" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Spaceless</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-5" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/122" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Timeless</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-6" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/147" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Changeless</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-7" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/148" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Immortal</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-8" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/66" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Unborn</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-9" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/65" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Uncreated</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-10" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/182" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Everlasting</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-11" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/149" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Immaterial</a></li></ul></div> Tue, 01 Nov 2016 18:09:41 +0000 Himangsu Sekhar Pal 543 at /?q=node/543#comments Problem with an Eternal Universe /?q=node/532 <div class="field field-name-body field-type-text-with-summary field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even" property="content:encoded"><p>Some scientists are now saying that the universe is eternal, that it has always existed even before the big bang. Universe in its present form is only 13.8 billion years old, but before that it has existed in some other form. But before the big bang there was no space and no time, because space and time came into existence along with the big bang only. So if the universe was always there even before the big bang, then it was neither in space nor in time, because before the big bang there was no space and no time. Being neither in space nor in time it will thus be spaceless and timeless. It can be shown by simple logic that being spaceless and timeless it will also be changeless, immortal, all-pervading, one, unborn, uncreated, without any beginning, without an end, everlasting, non-composite and immaterial. It will be immaterial because GR has shown that space, time and matter are so interlinked that either all the three of them will be there together, or none of then will be there. But this is the traditional description of God. So are these scientists subscribing to God?</p> <p>The only way to come out of this mess is to say that if the universe has always existed even before the big bang, then space and time were also there before the big bang.</p> </div></div></div><div class="field field-name-field-tags field-type-taxonomy-term-reference field-label-above clearfix"><h3 class="field-label">Tags: </h3><ul class="links"><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-0" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/123" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">God</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-1" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/113" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Universe</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-2" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/53" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">space</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-3" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/54" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">time</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-4" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/121" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Spaceless</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-5" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/122" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Timeless</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-6" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/147" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Changeless</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-7" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/148" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Immortal</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-8" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/149" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Immaterial</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-9" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/66" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Unborn</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-10" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/65" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Uncreated</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-11" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/150" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Everlasing</a></li></ul></div> Sat, 04 Jun 2016 05:36:54 +0000 Himangsu Sekhar Pal 532 at /?q=node/532#comments


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11Prompt - Immortal /?q=taxonomy/term/148 en How Atheists Suppress Their Opponent’s Voice /?q=node/553 <div class="field field-name-body field-type-text-with-summary field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even" property="content:encoded"><p>In an earlier article1 I have shown how an atheist tries to suppress his opponent’s voice. Recently I have come across another instance of this. </p> <p>In one YouTube video comment section one person has written that theists are hilarious because they demand evidence for a multiverse, although they cannot provide any evidence for their God. He has also written that at least multiverse has intensely strong mathematical support behind it. </p> <p>In reply I have to write to him that if multiverse has mathematical support behind it, then God also has mathematical support behind him, because two equations of SR have already shown how it is possible to be spaceless, timeless and immortal. I also write to him that scientists are heavily biased and partial in their search for truth, because they consider multiverse as highly probable based on the mathematics of inflation theory, but these same scientists totally ignore God as probable, although there is mathematical support behind God also. </p> <p>Here comes another person saying that I am kidding and that there is no math that even hints at the existence of my particular God and that a fair amount of shoehorning is going on there.</p> <p>As he has commented that there is no math that hints at the existence of my particular God, so I have to explain to him in detail that the two equations of SR shows how it is possible to be spaceless and timeless. As God is called spaceless and timeless and as SR has also shown how a state of spacelessness and timelessness can obtain, so from this it can be said that mathematics of SR suggests it is highly probable there is a God.</p> <p>But this fails to convince him and he sticks to his opinion that I am shoehorning God into science. He also says that if I claim the probable existence of my God in this way, then in a similar way one can also claim the probable existence of other gods like the Greek Primordial Entity Chaos or the Hindu gods Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva, or the Egyptian god Atum, any of which could be this Universe's creator instead of my particular God. </p> <p>So I have to write to him that in the whole history of mankind only one God has been described as spaceless and timeless and that this God is the traditional God of almost all the religions all over the world. I also mention that even mystics have described their God as spaceless and timeless. I also write to him that if one wants to put all the other mythical gods in the same bracket with this traditional God, then one will definitely be mistaken. I also request him to mention one single god other than the traditional God of the religions who has been described as spaceless and timeless.</p> <p>But he does not comply. Rather he asks me to point to the text in my Bible that contains the terms 'timeless' and 'spaceless'. </p> <p>Below are the two replies of mine that have been deleted:</p> <p>Reply one: Perhaps you are not much educated. That is why you think that every person who believes in God is a Christian and that the Bible is his/her religious text. I am a Hindu, but I do not depend on any religious text for my belief. </p> <p>Here is a quote from Dr. William Lane Craig who is well known as a Christian apologist and a good debater: </p> <p>“And then on the rest of the page it’s fairly obvious how I deduce the remainder of these attributes which form the central core of the theistic notion of God: a personal Creator, uncaused, beginningless, changeless, immaterial, timeless, spaceless, enormously powerful, and intelligent. In the words of Thomas Aquinas, this is what everybody means by God.”1 </p> <p>Ref:<br /> 1. <a href="; </p> <p>In the above quote it has been mentioned that God is spaceless and timeless.</p> <p>Reply 2: You can also read the book ‘Mysticism and Philosophy’ by W. T. Stace, Chapter 2, Section 11: Conclusions, pages 131-132, by google search. </p> <p>Ref: WT Stace: Mysticism and Philosophy-wudhi.com</p> <p>As the above two replies of mine have been deleted, so the impression one will get after going through the whole dialogue is that I have failed to establish my point because I could not produce the required text from the Bible which will further imply that the atheist has the last laugh here.</p> <p>The truth is that atheists cannot reconcile themselves to the fact that one scientific theory (SR) has shown how it is possible to be spaceless and timeless and that at the same time religions have also described their God as spaceless and timeless. So either they try to show that SR is not a valid scientific theory2, or they try to show that mystics’ timelessness and scientists’ timelessness are not the same3, or when they cannot do anything of these, they directly suppress their opponent’s voice.</p> <p>Reference:<br /> 1. <a href=" /> 2. <a href=" /> 3. <a href="; </div></div></div><div class="field field-name-field-tags field-type-taxonomy-term-reference field-label-above clearfix"><h3 class="field-label">Tags: </h3><ul class="links"><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-0" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/123" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">God</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-1" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/121" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Spaceless</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-2" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/122" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Timeless</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-3" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/148" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Immortal</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-4" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/208" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Uncaused</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-5" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/209" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Beginningless</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-6" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/147" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Changeless</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-7" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/149" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Immaterial</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-8" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/210" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Intelligent</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-9" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/109" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Spacelessness</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-10" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/110" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Timelessness</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-11" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/157" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Multiverse</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-12" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/198" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Inflation Theory</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-13" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/116" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Special theory of relativity</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-14" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/211" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Dr. William Lanr Craig</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-15" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/212" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">W. T. Stace</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-16" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/213" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Thomas Aquinas</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-17" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/214" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Greek Primordial Entity Chaos</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-18" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/215" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Brahma</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-19" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/216" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Vishnu</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-20" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/217" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Shiva</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-21" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/218" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Atum</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-22" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/219" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Mysticism and Philosophy</a></li></ul></div> Sun, 02 Apr 2017 13:15:17 +0000 Himangsu Sekhar Pal 553 at /?q=node/553#comments Why I am not convinced that there is no God /?q=node/547 <div class="field field-name-body field-type-text-with-summary field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even" property="content:encoded"><p>Only two things can make me convinced that there is no God:</p> <p>1) If science can show that this universe does not need any God; and<br /> 2) If science can show that God of the theistic description cannot exist.</p> <p>Regarding 1), it should be said that no one on this earth can claim that he/she is omniscient. Therefore no one on this earth can claim that he/she knows with absolutely certainty that there is no God. However scientists can come to know that there is no God if they can show that everything in this universe, including its origin also, can be explained by natural means without invoking any kind of god. No doubt this is a very lengthy process indeed, but at the end of this lengthy process one can with some certainty say that the universe does not need any God.</p> <p>However it has already been shown here1 and here2 that the origin of the universe has not been explained properly by the scientists.</p> <p>The above shows that science has not yet been able to explain everything of nature by natural means. In such a situation how will the scientists convince us that this universe does not need any God?</p> <p>Regarding 2) it may be asked: which God? This is because there are thousands of religions on earth and each religion has its own concept of God. I have already made this point clear here3.</p> <p>This God is spaceless, timeless, changeless, immortal, all-pervading, one, unborn, uncreated, without any beginning, without an end, everlasting, non-composite and immaterial.</p> <p>So in order to show that this God with the above attributes cannot exist, I think it will be sufficient for the scientists if they can somehow show that no one or nothing in this universe can be spaceless and timeless. This is because in that case it can very easily be argued that this God does not exist, because this God is said to be spaceless and timeless whereas science has shown that no one or nothing can be spaceless and timeless. But here science has done just the opposite to what it was supposed to do; it has shown how it is possible to be spaceless and timeless. That means here also science has failed in its endeavour to show that God of the theistic description cannot exist. Here their failure has a much deeper negative impact on us than their failure in the first case, because once they have shown how it is possible to be spaceless and timeless, now it becomes next to impossible for them to convince us anymore that this spaceless and timeless God cannot exist.</p> <p>Due to the above two reasons I am not yet convinced that there is no God. Scientists have failed to convince me that God does not exist.</p> <p>Reference:<br /> 1. <a href=" /> 2. <a href=" /> 3. <a href="; </div></div></div><div class="field field-name-field-tags field-type-taxonomy-term-reference field-label-above clearfix"><h3 class="field-label">Tags: </h3><ul class="links"><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-0" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/123" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">God</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-1" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/113" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Universe</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-2" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/133" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Origin of the Universe</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-3" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/121" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Spaceless</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-4" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/122" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Timeless</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-5" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/147" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Changeless</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-6" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/148" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Immortal</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-7" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/182" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Everlasting</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-8" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/149" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Immaterial</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-9" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/66" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Unborn</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-10" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/65" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Uncreated</a></li></ul></div> Sat, 18 Feb 2017 09:45:04 +0000 Himangsu Sekhar Pal 547 at /?q=node/547#comments Irony of Modern Science /?q=node/543 <div class="field field-name-body field-type-text-with-summary field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even" property="content:encoded"><p>About the God who was never there it has been said that he/she/it is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent. About the God who was never there it has also has been said that he/she/it is spaceless, timeless, changeless, immortal, all-pervading, one, unborn, uncreated, without any beginning, without an end, everlasting, non-composite and immaterial. </p> <p>About the God who was never there we say that he/she/it is spaceless. Here science was having two options: 1) it could have shown that nothing could be spaceless; 2) or, it could have shown how it is possible to be spaceless. Nobody has forced the scientists to choose the second option, but despite that they have shown on their own initiative how it is possible to be spaceless. </p> <p>About the God who was never there we also say that he/she/it is timeless. Here also science was having two options and here also not being forced by anybody they have shown on their own initiative how it is possible to be timeless. </p> <p>Now what would have happened if science had shown that nothing in this universe could be spaceless and timeless? In that case it would have been much more easier to show that God does not exist simply because this God is spaceless and timeless and because science has already shown that nothing can be spaceless and timeless. </p> <p>As we can now show with the help of science how God can be spaceless and timeless, so we can also very easily show how this God is changeless, immortal, all-pervading, one, unborn, uncreated, without any beginning, without an end, everlasting, non-composite and immaterial. This is because all these attributes are the default attributes of someone or something that is spaceless and timeless. </p> <p>So, although this God was never there and although modern science also equally denies the existence of God, yet with the help of one of the modern scientific theories (SR) we can fully, completely, excellently explain this God. Is it not really funny? </p> <p>All this has been possible simply because this God was never there.</p> </div></div></div><div class="field field-name-field-tags field-type-taxonomy-term-reference field-label-above clearfix"><h3 class="field-label">Tags: </h3><ul class="links"><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-0" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/123" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">God</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-1" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/155" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Omnipotent</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-2" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/156" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Omniscient</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-3" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/181" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Omnipresent</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-4" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/121" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Spaceless</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-5" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/122" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Timeless</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-6" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/147" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Changeless</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-7" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/148" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Immortal</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-8" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/66" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Unborn</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-9" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/65" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Uncreated</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-10" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/182" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Everlasting</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-11" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/149" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Immaterial</a></li></ul></div> Tue, 01 Nov 2016 18:09:41 +0000 Himangsu Sekhar Pal 543 at /?q=node/543#comments Problem with an Eternal Universe /?q=node/532 <div class="field field-name-body field-type-text-with-summary field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even" property="content:encoded"><p>Some scientists are now saying that the universe is eternal, that it has always existed even before the big bang. Universe in its present form is only 13.8 billion years old, but before that it has existed in some other form. But before the big bang there was no space and no time, because space and time came into existence along with the big bang only. So if the universe was always there even before the big bang, then it was neither in space nor in time, because before the big bang there was no space and no time. Being neither in space nor in time it will thus be spaceless and timeless. It can be shown by simple logic that being spaceless and timeless it will also be changeless, immortal, all-pervading, one, unborn, uncreated, without any beginning, without an end, everlasting, non-composite and immaterial. It will be immaterial because GR has shown that space, time and matter are so interlinked that either all the three of them will be there together, or none of then will be there. But this is the traditional description of God. So are these scientists subscribing to God?</p> <p>The only way to come out of this mess is to say that if the universe has always existed even before the big bang, then space and time were also there before the big bang.</p> </div></div></div><div class="field field-name-field-tags field-type-taxonomy-term-reference field-label-above clearfix"><h3 class="field-label">Tags: </h3><ul class="links"><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-0" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/123" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">God</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-1" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/113" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Universe</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-2" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/53" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">space</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-3" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/54" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">time</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-4" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/121" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Spaceless</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-5" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/122" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Timeless</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-6" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/147" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Changeless</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-7" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/148" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Immortal</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-8" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/149" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Immaterial</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-9" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/66" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Unborn</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-10" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/65" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Uncreated</a></li><li class="taxonomy-term-reference-11" rel="dc:subject"><a href="/?q=taxonomy/term/150" typeof="skos:Concept" property="rdfs:label skos:prefLabel" datatype="">Everlasing</a></li></ul></div> Sat, 04 Jun 2016 05:36:54 +0000 Himangsu Sekhar Pal 532 at /?q=node/532#comments

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