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Comments on: 18 days, 19 games, and 1 thin line Baseball news, insight and analysis from Aaron Gleeman Fri, 01 May 2026 05:19:27 +0000 hourly 1 By: Dirleton #comment-6990 Sat, 16 Jul 2011 11:57:12 +0000 “On the same program” = for one admission. Other definitions specify “Before the same crowd” which is the same thing as one admission. Anything else is just marketing BS. ]]> By: Large Canine #comment-6987 Fri, 15 Jul 2011 21:45:10 +0000 Now you get one game for the price of five ]]> By: Son of Shane Mack #comment-6979 Fri, 15 Jul 2011 03:16:04 +0000 I always thought a doubleheader meant you got two games for the price of one. If the Twins charge separate admission for the two games, is it still a doubleheader? Sure it is. True, in the “old days” – there wasn’t time between the doubleheaders – especially in the pre-lights days and they had to get in both before darkness. Also, you would get a two-fer as far two games for one admission. But, that’s not the actual definition of the doubleheader. It’s been decades since you got two games for the price of one in the majors. ]]> By: Pedro Munoz #comment-6978 Fri, 15 Jul 2011 03:10:41 +0000 I always thought a doubleheader meant you got two games for the price of one. If the Twins charge separate admission for the two games, is it still a doubleheader? ]]> By: Son of Shane Mack #comment-6977 Fri, 15 Jul 2011 02:26:13 +0000 The Twins play two seperate games on 7/18 – a doubleheader is something else. A Doubleheader is two games on the same day. July 18th meets that definition. The “classic” doubleheader is a late afternoon and evening game with only 20-30 minutes between. They’re not as common nowadays in the majors. However, a Day-Night doubleheader as this is likely to be, is still a doubleheader. ]]> By: frightwig #comment-6976 Fri, 15 Jul 2011 00:06:46 +0000 @minnesconsin If Span gives the Twins an advantage of 1-1.5 WAR over Sizemore or Jackson (and that’s assuming Span is healthy and plays as he did before, while Sizemore continues to be bothered by injuries and Jackson does not progress), but Peralta and A. Cabrera each give their teams an advantage of ~3 WAR over Nishioka (a fair assumption, based on what we’ve seen), I think that matters. Not all of my preferences are equal. If Casilla is a little better than the other crummy 2B currently starting for the Tigers or Indians, that probably doesn’t make up for the difference between Cabrera and Cuddyer (or, gulp, Luke Hughes), or Martinez/Hafner and a suddenly old Thome, or Boesch and Young. Under ideal circumstances, I might take Twins players at 5 positions, but that doesn’t necessarily = WIN TWINS. ]]> By: BR #comment-6975 Thu, 14 Jul 2011 20:12:20 +0000 And given the team’s injuries, I think most people would gladly take 54-54 w/54 to go… ]]> By: AG #comment-6974 Thu, 14 Jul 2011 19:43:16 +0000 Interestingly the Twins’ low point was at the end of the first 54 games; first third of the season; (17-37). If they continue at the pace they’ve been winning since June 1 (24-11 .6857) they will win 13 of the next 19, achieving (barring rainouts) a record of 37-17 over the second third of the season (exactly) leaving them at 54-54 with 54 games to play. Pretty exciting way to play .500 baseball….. ]]> By: BR #comment-6973 Thu, 14 Jul 2011 18:51:24 +0000 Mike: The Twins have to offer arb to a player to be eligible for compensation if the player rejects and signs elsewhere. So the question of whether they can get 2 quality prospects for Capps is only really relevant if they think that’s the least they can get for him. (In other words, they’d be intending to offer him arb and expecting him to reject it.) I agree with you – I don’t think the Twins will offer him arb, b/c he might accept it, and his salary would liklely be big ($9M range). So… If they decide to deal Capps, beause they’re out of it, they won’t be thinking that they need two good prospects back. They’d be happy to get the salary relief for this year and one decent (less than Wilson Ramos, unfortunately!) prospect in return. ]]> By: mike wants wins #comment-6972 Thu, 14 Jul 2011 16:12:48 +0000 No way the Twinsoffer Capps arbitration, is there? If he accepts, they are stuck with him at huge dollars, and no picks in return….I just don’t see that being an influence on their decision (I hope). Cuddy is not going anywhere, they’ll be re-signing him, imo. I’d rather they package a mediocre prospect with Nathan or Kuble, to get a better prospect in return, than to just trade them straight up. that said, I expect them to win 8 games in this next stretch, and to consider themselves squarely in the “not do anything much” zone, because they won’t feel totally in it, or totally out of it. ]]>


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Comments on: Twins trade Delmon Young to Tigers for Cole Nelson and PTBNL Baseball news, insight and analysis from Aaron Gleeman Fri, 01 May 2026 05:19:27 +0000 hourly 1 By: Gendo comment-page-2/#comment-7402 Fri, 19 Aug 2011 19:23:43 +0000 I just want you to love me, Elton. ]]> By: Elton comment-page-2/#comment-7401 Fri, 19 Aug 2011 18:30:58 +0000 I think more accurately, there’s a couple of self-aggrandizing windbags on here who enjoy hearing themselves talk about sabrmetrics. Someone hit the gong, this discussion is over. ]]> By: Pedro Munoz comment-page-2/#comment-7399 Fri, 19 Aug 2011 15:30:18 +0000 I re-read all of Gendo’s comments and I’m not sure where the pompous jerk part comes in. Contrary to your claim, Elton, the posters disagreeing with Gendo are not making valid points. They are mostly spouting nonsense. This is my favorite bit in the post by Citizen: “Your words do not constitute facts. Cannot, in fact, constitute facts. It would be impossible to prove lineup protection does, or does not, exist, because there can be no test of the alternative. You can only know what a player hits with, or without, protection, and cannot know what would have happened had the opposite situation occured under the same circumstances.” Wow. Just wow. Everyone who read that paragraph is now dumber for doing so. I also enjoyed the part where Elton mocks Gendo’s link by pointing out that it was someone else’s work. Does that mean that I can’t argue, for example, the theory of gravity because someone else came up with it? An iffy argument is not one like Gendos’ – which was supported by the study he linked to – but the ones by those he disagrees with, which seemingly were pulled out of their asses. I think Gendo has been more than patient given what he has had to respond to. While everyone reading this site is “somewhat familiar” with sabermetrics, its pretty clear that a number of people don’t understand them at all. ]]> By: Elton comment-page-2/#comment-7396 Fri, 19 Aug 2011 08:38:05 +0000 Gendo You might have more success getting people to consider your ideas if you weren’t writing like a pompous condescending jerk. None of your ideas are that novel. Anyone reading this site is at least somewhat familiar with sabrmetrics. You seem to fancy yourself as some brilliant baseball analyst. So far the only thing we’ve seen are some pretty iffy arguments and a link to someone else’s work you pasted. The posters disagreeing with you are making some valid points. You may be as well, buy they’re getting lost because of the smug nature if your posts. Seems like youre itching for a fight or just out to try to impress peoe It aint working. Let’s have some discussion thats productive, theres enough trolls out there already. ]]> By: Gendo comment-page-2/#comment-7395 Fri, 19 Aug 2011 04:35:14 +0000 Hi citizen: You’re conflating concepts here. I never said anything about run production. If a player hits *after* other players who get on base a lot of course they’re going to get more RBIs just by virtue of more opportunities. That has nothing to do with the concept of protection which has to do with a given player hitting *before* a feared hitter. The theory is that because the pitcher doesn’t want to pitch to that feared hitter he won’t nibble around our protected batter and will give him better pitches to hit. This has not been able to be proved statistically. RBIs would have nothing to do with this. You’d want to look at a stat like wOBA. Your Albert Pujols example is, since we’re continuing this trend, a straw man. You are defeating a point I never made. I’m not sure if that’s intentional or if you’re just misunderstanding me. As for the corked bat issue I would encourage you to read The Physics of Baseball and to check out additional studies like this one: As for the comments I made on baseball players and their kooky beliefs that was of course silly, but all I was saying is them being baseball players does not give them the authority to say things are true just by virtue of that authority. Certainly not in a sport with the wealth of data like baseball has. And for the last point of course you can’t prove lineup protection doesn’t exist. You can’t prove a negative. However it would be accurate to say there is no statistical evidence to prove it exists, so we discount it. It’s like I can’t *prove* there’s no God but that’s silly, we all know there’s no God. ]]> By: citizen comment-page-2/#comment-7394 Fri, 19 Aug 2011 03:58:21 +0000 “In the debate game we call that logical fallacy an argument from authority, Houston.” An authority. I guess that’s a label you’ve never been accused of, eh? “Baseball players think all kinds of dumb things. As an example basically every ballplayer you talk to will tell you corking the bat adds power. That’s been proven conclusively false. Corking the bat lowers the natural frequency of the bat and reduces the amount of energy that can be transferred from bat to ball.” Oh really? “Baseball players think that wearing magical copper bracelets will align the ions in their blood stream and make them healthier.” In the debate game we call that logical fallacy a non sequitur, gendo. Some statgeeks were magical copper bracelets too, but I think we should examine what they have to say, rather than dismiss them based on a copper bracelet. “The fact is that if protection was a real phenomenon there would be a spike in the stats to show it. There isn’t which means it is a statistically negligible factor.” Your words do not constitute facts. Cannot, in fact, constitute facts. It would be impossible to prove lineup protection does, or does not, exist, because there can be no test of the alternative. You can only know what a player hits with, or without, protection, and cannot know what would have happened had the opposite situation occured under the same circumstances. “The only thing the lineup around you can impact is RBIs which is part of why RBIs are a dumb stat.” You have, indeed, just contradicted yourself. If lineup construction affects RBIs, then it has to, by definition, affect the number of runs scored. Or are you claiming that if a team had the pitcher hit in Albert Pujols spot, and vice versa, that St Louis would score exactly the same number of runs? You sir, are a pompous jerk. What’s worse, you are a pompous jerk who doesn’t even know enough to argue intelligently. ]]> By: Gendo comment-page-2/#comment-7393 Thu, 18 Aug 2011 22:00:56 +0000 Now you’ve moved onto ad hominem. You’re not good at this. 🙁 ]]> By: Pedro Munoz comment-page-2/#comment-7392 Thu, 18 Aug 2011 20:51:28 +0000 “In the spirit of preserving the high quality content of this site, I’ll refrain from further posts” Thank god. We can only stand so much asshattery on one thread. ]]> By: Houston Jimenez comment-page-2/#comment-7391 Thu, 18 Aug 2011 18:58:25 +0000 That was hilarious. You made my day, thanks. In the spirit of preserving the high quality content of this site, I’ll refrain from further posts, since you clearly have baseball figured out to a degree that not even the players themselves do. And here I was, lil’ ol me, thinking MLB players knew more about the game than some self-aggrandizing know it all on a blog showing off that he likes advanced stats. I hope one day you can share your thoughts with some big leaguers and see how they react. I’d pay 10 bucks to see that. I”m out, good luck. ]]> By: Gendo comment-page-2/#comment-7383 Thu, 18 Aug 2011 08:01:49 +0000 In the debate game we call that logical fallacy an argument from authority, Houston. Baseball players think all kinds of dumb things. As an example basically every ballplayer you talk to will tell you corking the bat adds power. That’s been proven conclusively false. Corking the bat lowers the natural frequency of the bat and reduces the amount of energy that can be transferred from bat to ball. Baseball players think that wearing magical copper bracelets will align the ions in their blood stream and make them healthier. The fact is that if protection was a real phenomenon there would be a spike in the stats to show it. There isn’t which means it is a statistically negligible factor. The only thing the lineup around you can impact is RBIs which is part of why RBIs are a dumb stat. ]]>


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Comments on: Twins Notes: Thome, Oliveros, Blackburn, Swarzak, Neshek, and Hardy Baseball news, insight and analysis from Aaron Gleeman Fri, 01 May 2026 05:19:27 +0000 hourly 1 By: vinyl tile #comment-1103664 Tue, 07 Feb 2023 00:46:06 +0000 I would like to express thanks to you just for bailing me out of this issue. As a result of surfing throughout the world-wide-web and coming across suggestions that were not powerful, I assumed my entire life was done. Being alive minus the solutions to the problems you have solved by means of the report is a critical case, and the kind which might have badly damaged my career if I had not noticed the blog. Your own skills and kindness in playing with all the details was invaluable. I am not sure what I would’ve done if I had not discovered such a solution like this. I can at this moment relish my future. Thanks a lot very much for your impressive and effective help. I won’t think twice to refer your web sites to anybody who needs to have tips on this matter. ]]> By: Gendo #comment-7462 Thu, 25 Aug 2011 22:07:07 +0000 I’d like to blast ownership for giving Morneau that contract. 😡 ]]> By: Josh #comment-7461 Thu, 25 Aug 2011 21:40:11 +0000 Look, I like to slap around management as much as the next guy, but while the Pohlads might be collectively among the richest owners in baseball, the team is no longer owner by Carl, who was the richest owner in baseball. The money has been split up among the kids and while they are all fabulously wealthy by any standard I’ll wager they ain’t the richest even collectively any longer. And why would Mauer & Morneau blast ownership? Both got huge deals and right now, Mauer isn’t performing up to his. Morneau has been injured for most of 2 seasons. Blasting ownership would make them look like fools. I would rather see the media take a more critical look at the manager, who gets a free pass. Bill Smith has (justifiably) come under fire this season. But Gardy still gets a free pass even though he was strongly influential behind some of the Twins personnel moves and his on-field performance hasn’t been up to snuff. But he’s a good quote so writers would rather fawn all over him than take a chance ripping him and getting cut out of the loop. ]]> By: Scott #comment-7454 Wed, 24 Aug 2011 11:13:10 +0000 The pohlads only care about meeting their bottom line. They dont care about winning. Alot of these moves can also be traced directly to slashing payroll. Keep in mind, this is the richest owner baseball. I just wish that the star players like mauer and morneau would blast the ownership in the media. ]]> By: Gendo #comment-7453 Wed, 24 Aug 2011 09:04:14 +0000 I hear you Joe, but unfortunately I suspect the Pohlads will continue to be loyal to a fault. I mean, Terry Ryan made it clear towards the end that the game was passing him by but he wasn’t forced out, he left on his own terms and he hand picked his own successor. They really need a major shift in organizational philosophy as you say and a renewed focus on things like on base skills and statistical analysis. Sadly I just don’t think that’s coming. It’s a luddite organization in a lot of ways and they’re more likely to chalk this season up to bad luck than make any real changes. In a perfect world they’d bring in someone like Kim Ng, let her clear out the FO and pick her own manager. Realistically though we’ll be seeing a lot more of the same. :\ So we’re back to hoping a blind squirrel finds a few nuts. ]]> By: joe szymonik #comment-7449 Wed, 24 Aug 2011 01:04:02 +0000 What a depressing season. The avalanche of injuries must certainly be related to what appears to be a mediocre-at-best training staff. If there is a silver lining in these injuries, it is that the ineptness of the front office has been revealed. The injury avalanche augmented what was already a senseless talent drain due to stupid trades over the last few years. Throw in a few ill-advised signings and you have this year’s recipe for disaster. I wish Bill Smith and his team, including Ron Gardenhire, would “get it” and realize that they are very privileged caretakers of a very proud franchise. It’s time to perhaps find a new management team which is creative, can think outside the box, pays some attention to relevant stats, and understands the simple concept of buying low and selling high when trading. I am also tired of hearing that Gardenhire can’t get along with this player or that player. Geez, guys, grow up. Finally, from a purely entertainment business standpoint, this team has been boring and a pain to watch. If the Twins’ front office doesn’t change its approach, the team will lose market share to tractor pulls in Rice Lake. ]]> By: Gendo #comment-7448 Wed, 24 Aug 2011 00:50:22 +0000 Allow me to make my point graphically: ]]> By: Gendo #comment-7447 Wed, 24 Aug 2011 00:31:18 +0000 Someone just mentioned that Felix Pie was released and pointed out that he and Alex Rios have pretty horrific OPS+ ratings this year: Felix Pie 52 Alex Rios 56 Drew Butera? 25. Felix Pie is lapping Butera. ]]> By: Al S #comment-7445 Wed, 24 Aug 2011 00:11:07 +0000 Hardy finally found his niche?He already proved his niche in Milwaukee as a powerhitting shortstop years ago!A bad season on the Brewers and an injury shortened season in Minnesota slowed him down a little.The Twins screwed up not securing him for this season.Either because Gardy’s an idiot or the team is going on the “cheap” again just like back in the Griffith days.Anyway you slice it…horrible move and we got no offense at all from our middle infield this year.I told my buddy the day they got rid of Hardy,what a dumb move it was and that he deserved a whole year to show what he had to offer.Look at him now,25 hrs this year!That would be leading the Twins easily.These stupid moves are becoming the norm for the Twins now,so we better get used to it. ]]> By: Jon L. #comment-7444 Tue, 23 Aug 2011 23:52:52 +0000 Hardy has been very good this season and it looks like he finally found his niche in Baltimore. ]]>


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Comments on: Twins sign Kevin Correia to two-year, $10 million contract Baseball news, insight and analysis from Aaron Gleeman Fri, 01 May 2026 05:19:27 +0000 hourly 1 By: frightwig #comment-29410 Fri, 14 Dec 2012 00:54:32 +0000 “…he doesn’t miss bats, doesn’t induce a ton of ground balls, and doesn’t have great control.” Note that his 51.2% groundball rate this year ranked 17th in the majors, while his BB/9 rates the last two seasons dropped to 2.28 and 2.48. I suppose that’s how his xFIP in Pittsburgh (4.38 in ’11, 4.34 in ’12) remained slightly lower than his career 4.44 xFIP, despite the decline in his K/9. I’m not thrilled with the signing, either, but I think there’s a good chance that he’ll give the Twins a 4.50 ERA, maybe a bit lower (particularly if Target Field, AL Central competition, and the Twins infield defense really help him out), in 170-175 IP this year. That wouldn’t be so terrible, for $5M. And if you had the choice between signing Correia for $10M/2yrs or Jeremy Guthrie for $25M/3yrs, and you couldn’t say “neither,” which would you prefer? I’d take the Correia deal. ]]> By: TiredTwin #comment-29314 Thu, 13 Dec 2012 19:58:52 +0000 This is getting old! At least after we go get Punto nothing will get through the infield! ]]> By: thegeneral13 #comment-28990 Thu, 13 Dec 2012 03:33:45 +0000 Shane, I don’t know how a reasonable person could be pro-Correia, but I’d love to know which guys in the organization you think can be legitimately called major league starting pitchers. I don’t think the Twins have 5 of them even after signing Correia. ]]> By: Brandon #comment-28824 Wed, 12 Dec 2012 18:46:57 +0000 Aaron, how is it the twins owned the AL central for nearly a decade and now fans are stuck to pay 3x a ticket to watch James shields pitch…for the other team, and Trevor Bauer pitch…for the other team, and josh Johnson pitch…for the other team. TR can interview all he wants about cant give away his money but I refuse to believe the twins couldn’t get the number pitcher they desperately need and trot out a winning ball club. How many teams in history have lost 300 games in 3 yrs…there’s a better chance of that occurring than signing Edwin Jackson and he wouldn’t save the season! Absolutely ridiculous! I loved watching the twins play meaningful ball in September but my god have I found a new respect for an owner committee to producing a winning ball club and winning a World Series…go tigers? ]]> By: Shane #comment-28781 Wed, 12 Dec 2012 16:38:56 +0000 Again, and I would like to see the “pro” side of this ridiculous signing actually respond to this, Correia is no better than the 5th starters that the Twins ALREADY HAVE, but they cost 1/10 of the amount that he does. So, yes, this is an atrocious acquisition. ]]> By: Deduno Abides #comment-28518 Wed, 12 Dec 2012 02:56:25 +0000 The Terry Ryan collection of expensive once-or-never-was pitchers, aka the “innings eaters”: Livan Hernandez Sidney Ponson Ramon Ortiz Jason Marquis Jim Deshaies Bob Tewksbury Mike Morgan Sean Bergman Kenny Rogers Terry Mulholland Carl Pavano Most of these guys didn’t last through one year with the club. Only Pavano, with the possible exception of Rogers, produced statistics better than what would be expected for a fifth starter, and only Pavano, Rogers, Deshaies and Tewksbury (fewer than half) produced the results desired of a fifth starter. To spend another $10M over two years and to expect a better result than the average results of this historical cohort is the triumph of hope over experience, particularly if you recognize that the best pitchers of this group – Pavano, Deshaies and Rogers – all had historical peaks significantly higher than Kevin Correia’s. Frankly, Ortiz, Hernandez, Ponson, Tewksbury, Marquis and possibly Morgan all had historical peaks that were better than Correia’s, so to expect Correia to perform better than they did is wishful thinking at best. Who knows – Correia could have the best year of his career, but based on his history and the team’s history with retreads on the downward slopes of their careers, it’s an expensive, long-shot bet that ties up financial resources just a couple of days after Ryan talked about being constrained because of the contracts for the team’s most expensive players. ]]> By: jfs #comment-28503 Wed, 12 Dec 2012 02:07:20 +0000 i’m a contrarian. most of the comments above are thumbs-down on this guy. time to buy correia stock. it’s all a crap shoot anyway. who’s to say that he won’t have a better season than greinke, at one-fifth the cost? if he contributes 175 innings with an era between 4.00 and 4.50, it’s a good value move in today’s inflated market. ]]> By: thegeneral13 #comment-28431 Tue, 11 Dec 2012 22:28:33 +0000 They are punting on the next 2 years. That should be obvious by now. And they should be, because there is not enough talent between the major leagues and high minors to contend until 2015 regardless of what free agents are signed. And unless you think ownership will stash away the $9 mm savings of Deduno over Correia and spend it in 2015+ when it will benefit a contending club, or you care about reaching 71 wins instead of 70, or you believe it signals poor player valuation by the front office, or you have an equity stake in the Twins, then the $10 mm doesn’t matter. With a bad team and this many holes to fill in the rotation, the Twins just need 1-2 rag arms to soak up innings and not torch the bullpen every 5th day, because then they will run into major roster management problems. Whether Correia can even accomplish that is definitely in question, but I think he’s a better bet than non-entities like Deduno. ]]> By: Tony P #comment-28405 Tue, 11 Dec 2012 21:14:40 +0000 This may be a very bad signing, but at least we didn’t trade our top prospects for James Shields. ]]> By: Brandon #comment-28391 Tue, 11 Dec 2012 20:31:26 +0000 1 more thought. If the Twins sign one morepitcher this winter couldn’t we just sign sanchez to a 5 year 80 million rather then spend money on crap and have Devries or Dedunno start for league minimum ]]>


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Comments on: Link-O-Rama Baseball news, insight and analysis from Aaron Gleeman Fri, 01 May 2026 05:19:27 +0000 hourly 1 By: Sam #comment-33767 Sun, 23 Dec 2012 22:34:32 +0000 Disagree on the “we” team hate.If you invest enough time and money in watching a team I don’t see what’s wrong with it. You can say there’s a problem with investing so much time an money in it but then you could also say the same thing about ticket prices, salaries or being able to make a living blogging about it. ]]> By: shuhooo #comment-33506 Sat, 22 Dec 2012 16:38:48 +0000 excuse me, “(player name) girlfriend” ]]> By: shuhooo #comment-33504 Sat, 22 Dec 2012 16:37:14 +0000 So what are the theories on all the ” girlfriend” searches? Potential gold diggers? ]]> By: sandbun #comment-33024 Fri, 21 Dec 2012 18:16:53 +0000 But the Vikings specifically told me “You made the team” a couple years ago – ]]> By: Jose Hernandez #comment-32953 Fri, 21 Dec 2012 15:15:35 +0000 I thought the strangest story of the week, is tha guy who was suing about the right of having sex with his donkey. ]]>

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